Stihl 400 lost against Echo 620p Shindaiwa 600sx

[@Ti-DAWGS]

I have an old Shindaiwa pre-Echo saw. I think the quality is great and good power for the size.

[@timberandtools]

Te older ones were great too!!

[@simonjeffrey9550]

Shiiiiiindaiwaaaa !!!! 💪👌 I got a 492 for a week and love it!! 50cc saw but the weight of a 40 cc and less. Great saw really surprised!!

[@timberandtools]

@@simonjeffrey9550 yeah they’re great! I had a 491 but was a dog. Also echo 490 doggy saws. After port work she screams!!

[@holdonrussell1753]

600sx is by far a superior saw for the money, they are super easy to work on if needed and you can find parts all over the place

[@timberandtools]

They’re truly great. If they were lighter they would be impossible to keep on the shelves

[@Husqvarna575XP]

Only downside is the air intake rubber thing. If you have to pull on the saw because the bar is clamped between two logs, thos parts easly can break. Specally on the 590, there is no limiter strap so it get broken a lot. 620 is much more better on this part. I earn my mony buy cutting down timber. Because Husqvarna let me down so often, after the stop making the 3XX Series, I changed to Stihl. Than some M Tronic saws like the M201 let me down, so I bougt an Echo. Beside the air intake part, the echos didnt let me down. So I think if you buy some saws from Echo and only the 50ccm and above 75ccm saws from Stihl, you have a very good setup.

[@timberandtools]

@Husqvarna575XP all my trim saws are echo!

[@andrewscott2866]

Great comparison, I'm a little surprised . That 620 rips!

[@timberandtools]

Thanks!! I was surprised as well. Great saws!!

[@oakiewoodsman]

First time I have been here and a new Sub! Thanks for this video. I really like this comparison because I have been VERY interested in the 400C for a long time. What has been of interest is the weight difference for me. I originally purchased that 562XP because it seemed to hang with the 400C and was more compact and far less money. Question for you. What saw feels better to run in terms balance, vibration, weight etc? Though my 620 is excellent, my 562 is nicer to run. That doesn't mean anything in terms of durability, longevity or anything else. If both saws were fueled up and sharp, what one would you pick up more often to do work with? Thanks again and appreciate the video. Love the red saw man!

[@timberandtools]

Thanks for being here !! Well I definitely will preface this response with being a diehard Stihl guy. The feel and overall vibe of the 400 is more to my liking also quite a bit lighter. Nothing at all wrong with the 620/600, I freaking love it and for the money really can’t be beat. I’d choose the 400 over the 620 for those reasons. Really maxed at 25” for peak performance. The oiler isn’t great on the 400 it does the job but need to upgrade the oil pump. I hate the plastic handle, not a big deal. Only word of caution I have heard is to sufficiently let the 400 warm up with the magnesium piston. I haven’t had a single issue with mine at all.

[@oakiewoodsman]

Excellent! I sure appreciate the feeback for sure. I know I was concerned about the Mag pistion initially. The Plastic is a by product of making the saw lighter for sure. I think a lot of ppl probably think it cheapens it a bit but I think that the plastic is probably more durable. It just isn't what we are used to seeing on a saw of this price and caliber. I appreciate it much. The only new Stihl saws I have run was the 661 and the 500i. I would handily choose the 500i over the 661. @@timberandtools

[@timberandtools]

@@oakiewoodsman yeah for sure! 500 over the 661. Actually don’t own any 661 just find the 660 to be much much more durable!! Yeah I mean the plastic handle is totally fine. Mine has held up well

[@RichFreireich]

Are these saws bone stock? I have a 600sx on the way totally dig the color, can't get my jreds anymore, mine is coming without a bar and chain, but most of my jreds have tsumuras just love the look, if you don't mind me asking, what bar mount do echo/shindys use?I also restore vintage Macs so I have a few d176 mount bars and some husky large/small mount bars cool video😊

[@timberandtools]

Both are muffler modded, you know I don’t remember that the bar mount was, I did just make sure to get one with the same 84DL chain size for easy integration with all my saws. Thats the reason I got the bar. Pretty sure you can swap a Stihl bar with a bar stud adapter to but haven’t confirmed that personally. These saws are great but they really do need a muffler modification if they’re going to run with the 400. Like I said both are modded but the 400 didn’t run significantly better after muff mod like the shin did! Thanks for watching 😎

[@benjaminleslie3155]

hardcore stihl fans eat your heart out 😏

[@timberandtools]

Haha I am a hardcore Stihl fan but they’re not the only one to run!!!

[@outdoorsinthe608]

Great comparison! Very surprising 👍👍

[@timberandtools]

Me too thought they’d be close but surprised me to!

[@MikeFerguson-yq2jh]

I am a fan of Shindaiwa ,never ran an Echo, but i have a Stihl 034 thats pretty good cutter

[@timberandtools]

@@MikeFerguson-yq2jh i’m not sure what year but Echo and Sawa are one in the same now although my Sawyer dealer told me that not all parts interchange 🤷‍♂️. My first Tree job years ago I did within an 034 💥💥

[@MikeFerguson-yq2jh]

@@timberandtools a buddy of mine had a 488 on a scrap pile, I asked if I could take it and get it running. I put a new plug in and clean gas and blew the air filter off. It started on the fourth pull. I dressed the bar and put a new chain on it. The oiler wasn’t working so I ordered one , installed it. Now i have a very good saw fora few hours and less than 65$ in parts. I did a muffler mod on it to lessen the back pressure, it run very well now.

[@timberandtools]

@MikeFerguson-yq2jh 488 is a great saw! Sounds like a great deal to me 💥👌🏻

[@pharmdiesel]

I'm not surprised because I have a Shindaiwa weed wicker. Their 2 stroke engines are well known to be "Good". I didn't know they made a chainsaw. Looking for a large Makita/Dolmar, but I might add the 600sx to my saws.

[@timberandtools]

Yes 600sx is a great saw! Dolmar makes a killer saw as well 😎

[@zeromark202]

Echo cs-620p is awesome saw! Paid $520 and it’s just as fast as my 372xt. They have to be muffler modded tho.

[@timberandtools]

Heck yeah and they def need muff mod!!

[@oakiewoodsman]

hey buddy! Stay warm man!

[@NextStop2030]

I almost went with a Shin two months ago but ended up with a 660 pro. Better buy. :)

[@timberandtools]

Yeah for sure, the FT saws are really good for the money !!! You running a 36” on it?

[@PurpleNovember]

Wow! That 620 is impressive! Specs for dry power head say the 620 is .9 lbs heavier but that’s not bad. The 620 is also around three hundred fifty bucks cheaper!

[@timberandtools]

Yeah exactly!! Don’t get me wrong I love my 400 and it is lighter but hard to look past the price difference for the actual real world performance you get from a 620!! Really impressive for a 60cc🤙🏻

[@PurpleNovember]

@@timberandtools I’d love to see a 620 go up against a 362! If I was stihl I’d be supplying the capital for your retirement to save the embarrassment 🤣 I just can’t stand that 362, just low power for its weight. It just gets to me like .325 chain. lol

[@timberandtools]

@@PurpleNovember 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I should contact Stihl and have em hook me up haha. Not really many people revealing that the echos are able to compete and sometimes beat Stihl cc to cc🙃 I do have a 362 maybe I’ll have to make another video. Although I have a soft spot for the 362 as it was the first newer saw I got (used and non running) when I started cutting trees. My dad let me borrow a 038 to start with and I bought a new shindaiwa trim saw 358ts

[@PurpleNovember]

@@timberandtools I could see how that would make a soft spot for a saw! There is something neat about going through a saw and getting it running to make it yours. The more I mess around with the Echo saws the more realize how choked back they are from the factory, something I’ve noticed with all Japanese equipment I’ve been around.

[@bryanthornton6787]

​@@PurpleNovemberLook up hotsaws101 on KZbin. He has a comparison of the 620p and the 362 both stock and another video with both ported.

[@jayminer9416]

Reeeeeeally making me want to MM/tune my 590........

[@timberandtools]

@@jayminer9416 definitely do it makes a huge difference

[@nateolmsted899]

400 all the way, just for the simple fact of the dealer support

[@timberandtools]

I agree with the dealer support, I have an excellent shindaiwa dealer and echo dealer locally but I realize this is not commonplace

[@Rob-tl9md]

Or buy an echo and not need any support.

[@timberandtools]

@@Rob-tl9md they’re legit that reliable 👌🏻

[@dersoloist6591]

logic that the stihl loose. because their bar is longer. that took power away.

[@timberandtools]

@@dersoloist6591 used same chain on both saws, Stihl advertised it’s bar as a 25” but it’s not it’s the same 84 DL chain as the 24” bar