Still The King? CDJ-3000 Long-Term Review | Beatsource Tech

It’s been almost two years since Pioneer DJ released their latest flagship media player, the CDJ-3000. But with the advent of new competition in the market, their dominance of the world’s DJ booths was no longer a certainty this time around. On the new episode of Beatsource Tech, Mojaxx reviews the players two years in, and examines whether the company has done enough to retain the "club standard" title in 2022.
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[@Drrolfski]

Overpriced and underfeatured (as usual for Pioneer gear) was my impression at launch and despite some firmware upgrades this hasn't changed, unfortunately. I would take a pair of Denon DJ SC6000s anytime over these, no matter the price.

[@dg20038]

Same, I wished more venues and DJs would switch to Denon, its not even up for discussion that Denon is clearly better and has features that is just straight useful. Like streaming, for example. Pioneer is way too overpriced, even the 2000nxs2 is still way too expensive

[@FunctionGermany]

YESSS!!!! i've waited for this video for so long! i thought this would be the first video of "beatsource tech" but i'm so happy it's finally here!!! i'll enjoy every second of this!

[@inconsistentsonic]

Still waiting to try the 3000's, so glad you've made this vid Mojaxx! Even if I had the money it's gonna be a while with the global chip issues to purchase, but always appreciate your solid & honest views whenever a new video is uploaded. I hope Pioneer take note for the need of a cheaper media player so we can leave laptops out of the booth forever!

[@JackDoonerMusic]

Pioneer have neglected affordable full sized players. Still using my XDJ 1000 MK1’s from 2014 because there hasn’t been a good upgrade option. It seems they are pushing controllers more and more but that doesn’t work for everyone. Would like to see an XDJ 1000 MK3 which has modern features but with prices always increasing, I doubt it would be considered “affordable”

[@MossRcIntosh]

I love my XDJ-1000 MK2 especially paired with the XP1/XP2, but I’d love to see a MK3 player with a better screen and the addition of Hot Cue and Beat Jump buttons. I have a pair of 3000 on back order, but there are a lot of bars and small clubs that simply won’t stretch to 3000’s that I feel a more mid level player would be really suited to. Somewhere around £1200-1500 each.

[@dyskut]

On a marketing view , I think that pioneer wouldn’t bring out a cheaper price player I would love to , but I don’t think that this would happen . What the streaming consider : yes please! I’m using Beauport and beatsource link for2 years and I love it . Yes I have sometimes download issues ( 1/10 ) but for the rest,it works great . use it while we drive ( I play during the Rollerbike parade ). The one thing that I don’t like is that I always have to carry my laptop with me. I repeat I standing on a pick up truck playing while this one is driving through the streets. So I don’t think this is good ( all the vibration ) for my laptop. So yes I will love a solution where I wouldn’t need my laptop.

[@slutstegetstudio3473]

Too bad. They a boring to me. Guess I have to keep on lugging my denon equipment to clubs. But I do it gladly.

[@scratch1200s]

Do the mk2’s offer Hid mode in Sdjpro?

[@burieddeep5557]

I'm one of the few people who chose to use the XDJ700s because they're just way more portable and fit into much smaller booths and for someone who loves 4 deck mixing booths are never big enough. I wish they'd do a mk2 to the XDJ700 but I would be surprised if that ends up happening

[@JamesPiquette]

As a long time Traktor user (Since the 2000s), I had bought the MK1 XDJ-1000s for exactly the purpose the CDJ-3000 is made for.. However at the time I never loved the sound quality on them.. I ended up using them in HID mode with a Xone PX5 mixer... I sold my XDJ-1000s to get the first Denon Prime SC5000+X1800 kit because it promised to be the "Traktor in a box" solution allowing me to leave the laptop behind.. Fast forward to 4 years later and I still have and love the Denon Kit (It truly was future proofed). I use them for mobile DJ style events (wedding and corporate etc)... Where that leaves me today on the topic of Pioneer CDJ3000, they look great. I'm sure they sound excellent and are a pleasure to play on.. But as a home/end user it isn't something I would see myself buying. I am not tied down to any particular platform (even though I still create my playlists in Rekordbox and export them to other software).. I do understand however that some people get comfortable with a particular brand experience and will never change (like iPhone owners for example).. And as such, if the majority of DJs are already more comfortable on Pioneer Rekordbox / Hardware.. I don't see the "competition" ever being able to sway those users...

[@dikranpoladian4724]

:P

[@ChrisBlade.]

How did you find the PX5 mixer compared to the X1800, especially sound quality?

[@JamesPiquette]

@@ChrisBlade. I won't lie, I REALLY liked the PX5. It was still an analog mixer that sounded great when summing audio sources (layering extra loops on top of tracks etc...). I have since picked up a Xone 96 as well.. That being said, the X1800 sounds great as well. Especially when using the onboard soundcard (with Serato or Traktor for example). I appreciate both mixers for different reasons.. in the same way we can appreciate cars for different reasons. These days, I mostly use the X1800 Mixer with the SC5000 decks. If you are looking to buy one over the other, I'd suggest not leaving it exclusively up to the sound quality alone.. I'd also consider how and where you want to use each mixer.. (with the onboard soundcard, or external decks etc).

[@ChrisBlade.]

@@JamesPiquette thanks for the reply, I currently have the SC6000’s with the X1850 mixer, I’m very happy with it and it’s just for my home set up, I do live streaming and a few parties etc, but the other week I took my Denon players down to my friends for a session, hooked them up to his Xone 96, he has the same speakers as me too, and I was blown away with the sound quality, I’ve come home and the difference is crazy, which is why I’m considering the PX5, as I would still like to have the effects as an option on the mixer

[@JamesPiquette]

@@ChrisBlade. Try (before buying) to listen to one in a shop. I'm confident you will like the PX5. I wouldn't get rid of the X1850 as it has some advantages with your SC6000s (like SoundSwitch / Engine lighting integration, or on air mode).. The PX5 also isn't as expensive as the Xone 96. It's a very nice option that will have that sound character you are looking for with analog audio summing on A&H mixers.

[@SteveAldous]

Great video as always! Been using these since launch! Fantastic players, they're so good I bought a 3rd. Just waiting for the next 4 channel mixer release 🙌

[@bigdaz7272]

@Mojaxx loved your weekend Stream from your Bar/Container Residency, some great vibes Man. More :)

[@sockandbuskin]

I'm a complete Denon fanboy with my sc5000ms and prime go, but finally got to use the 3000s on a gig and the feel on those is nothing short of amazing. Seen a lot more xdj xzs show up in the smaller bars though, I think those will be the dominant force considering their price point.

[@maus3454]

Fully agree

[@MrFullyCharged]

They need to go dual layer. It’s 2022.

[@RC75]

@@MrFullyCharged They will not do it because a 3000 is for professional dj’s and they prefer 3 or 4 separate decks instead of 2 decks with double layers.

[@MrFullyCharged]

@@RC75 Most “professional” Djs do not use 3 or 4 layers when mixing and the good ones are fully capable of hitting a button. The 3rd and 4th CDJ is usually on stage for backups, should either deck 1 or 2 fail. Find someone actually mixing four decks together live and we can find 100 others who never will… Pioneer just wanted to avoid being the best bc they are milking “the industry standard” thing. It’s like my V10… 99% of people who play on this mixer will never use all six channels, and most will only use 2 or 3.

[@RC75]

@@MrFullyCharged How much channels do you use?

[@adriangorski5460]

This Man is very honest person and professional review as always - one of the best 👍

[@marcosa.catena6414]

Excellent video as always. This guy is kind of a guide or a good reference when it comes to dj equipment or specifications. I still using xdj 1000 mk2 since released day, I haven't upgraded since I don't see a price/ value/ features that will make sense to me for the music I play. My current setup get the job very well done and still top notch... no competition at all ....remember that any machine will be as good as the one operating the machine... and yes.. they will come up with the replacement of the xdj1000 mk2

[@michaelalan89]

Hey Mojax, love the channel - long time follower. However, I am very surprised that more noise hasn't been made about how the new APU handles interpolation of tracks, specifically with Master Tempo and the "Key Sync" enabled. The new processing power has SIGNIFICANTLY improved the implementation of the MT algorithm - DJ Ravine's initial review did a small side by side comparison with the NXS2 and it's like night and day. And the Key Sync feature is just not spoken about enough. AFAIK Digital DJ Tips are the only ones to correctly identify just how elegant the system works when mixing harmonically. These are capable of extreme manipulation of the source content with incredible results. I would love to see an in depth feature covering these aspects of the players! Obviously all of the other improvements are nothing to be snuffed at - but I really feel like this is what it's worth paying the big bucks for!

[@stephenshiels5179]

I don't know how you can say that they have won this generation. Considering they came out after 2 iterations of the competition (Denons). They could of done a lot better with their tech. As far as I'm concerned the Denons still have the edge, but hey everyone has their opinion.

[@matthewjswider]

You’re forgetting that the few things denon has over the pioneer are still things the pioneer could be capable of with software updates, which are undoubtedly coming in the future, otherwise such a robust set of internals wouldn’t be necessary. Getting the software just right and maintaining the functionality and speed of the unit will be key to these functions not becoming a hassle, which I believe pioneer is capable of handling. The denons are a top tier unit, and none of this is to say anything other than such.

[@JamesPiquette]

I think the winning part is what you see in clubs when you show up... Mostly that seems to be pioneer...

[@Funky1ism]

@@matthewjswider if that was so, don’t you think Pioneer would have done that already 2 years after release? I think most Pro dj’s don’t care about the things the Denon does over the cdj, thats why Pioneer doesn’t do it.

[@matthewjswider]

@@Funky1ism no, not really. I think with the pandemic, and the uncertainty of their chips continuing to be manufactured, and them either having to re design some internal parts for that or the logistics of setting up a new supply chain, the loss of revenue, I think 1000 different reasons could be why they haven’t released any of that stuff yet. And what would all of us be saying if we can barely get our hands on one yet they’re releasing updates like these? I know I would be saying “thanks for the updates nobodys using.” Because at the moment all I can say is “thanks for making this review, I’m sure tiesto and the rest of the festival Dj’s who actually touch these things will be giving a thumbs up and dropping an F in the chat for everyone else who will see these next century.” Matter of fact, I think pioneer, and serato, are both dropping the ball by not having more integration, and then again by their use of subscription services for software that used to come with gear, or for free. Example, buy a djms11, that’s a hardware unlocking device, go out to play at the club and they have a nxs setup, you’re fucked. If you get a piece of gear with a license it should work across the board. I have a very big issue with this situation and I’m done advertising for them. All pioneer DJ and serato logos on my equipment have been covered.

[@Funky1ism]

@@matthewjswider i hear you… Don’t get me wrong, i am with you, i think the cdj3000 is heavily overpriced, so much so, that its ridiculous to ask that price, while a Denon player that is just as good, if not better, is way cheaper. I would personally take the Denon, but a lot of Dj’s don’t care about the extra tech of functions the Denon have, thats why they rather stay with Pioneer, because its familliar and does what they need, instead of evolving.

[@GT5Player]

Maybe I've missed it, but you should do the same type of revisit/review of the SC6000s. And if possible with the all in ones.

[@Mojaxx]

I will do the 6000s at some point later this year, yes.

[@inertiamonster]

​@@Mojaxx I'd be interested for you to do a run down of what you think the Denons do better and what they don't, could be a separate video if you want to avoid going too off topic on a review video. I have strong opinions since I own both but would also love to hear your take.

[@orli8a]

I own both sc6000 and cdj3000 and they are both great but honestly with better feeling and flow for me personally is more of denon and exporting music with engine prime is so much easier than rekordbox...denon is so underrated its changing the game so much

[@DjSmoothNY]

I agree with you. I own the 6000M’s and they work seamlessly. Definitely ahead of the rest and sadly underrated. Just over half the price to…..

[@hot4futureyears2come]

I think the Djay pro stuff is going to get bigger. with beatsource as the host for your sets , it is a wonderful option. Now with turntablist in mind with the new Vinyl and stuff. Great stuff for the future

[@baldmandj4559]

Great review as expected. Looking forward to the equivalent review of the sc6000s

[@matsu_music]

"The full James hype" lmao. Great review as always Mojax. I've been using a pair of 3000s w the S11 for the past year and it's my go to kit now. I never liked cdjs but these have converted me.

[@Mojaxx]

That really is a killer combo. Pioneer DJ were very smart to make sure HID is better with these than on older players, it makes a big difference for those who prefer to use Serato.

[@pinz105]

Thanks Mojaxx- solid review

[@rocqero09]

You're reviews are the best.

[@aksoofficial]

Another great one and couldn’t agree more with the shared thoughts. As a user of the 1000s MK2, I would absolutely love to see a 1000 MK3. I hope it comes soon.

[@djcetra]

lol but why, seriously what else do you need? MK2s are fine.

[@aksoofficial]

@@djcetra I love them but they are getting old. So, at some point it will be nice to get a refresh. That’s all 😉

[@akaTRAPxx]

I gotta be completely honest, I'm surprised Denon DJ dropped the ball with their "Change your ryder" marketing campaign. They had everything going for them considering they had superior hardware for YEARS before the 3000s even came out, and still NO ONE (at least from what I can tell in the states) uses them. I still have yet to see a single Denon player in a club, let alone a mixer. It's like that market completely ignored them and simply waited for the 3000s to come out. And when they were difficult af to find, they just waited for them to come into stock.

[@MyAlteredSoul]

Had to return one with a busted jog wheel and went back to my denons. Still have a newish single cdj3000 sitting in the closet, just can’t justify the cost of buying a second player right now. Otherwise I love the 3000’s. You are 100% on the nose about needing an updated xdj1000.

[@eskei83]

thx for the mention bro 🙏🏼 I love the 3000s

[@Mojaxx]

Honestly I never thought I'd see the day you'd be choosing CDJs over turntables. Says a lot about the 3000s.

[@eskei83]

@@Mojaxx these will even make me ditch the S9/S11 one day. so crazy how they managed to get all important functions on the top layer of a single unit. and the way the platter sounds while scratching is insanely accurate. btw: I love that you put your 7 inch adapter image on the virtual deck display on the 3000s 😂 looks so cool 👍🏻

[@leatherwoodrc]

I ordered mine two years ago during the initial release and immediately sold my beloved Sc5000s without ever looking back. Thank you pioneer for answering our dj requests.

[@m-stat9]

‚Beloved‘ yet ‚never looking back‘…. How much did Pioneer pay you for this nonsense comment?

[@rhythmzone_vdLAB]

I did the same thing one year ago… I’m totally happy with that decision. Yes they are very “pricey” but they are way more professional than any of Denon products, both the gear and and the preparation software.

[@benceujvari960]

@@m-stat9 So if people have an oponion that you not like, they been paid. Oh my god…

[@iSkyline1]

@@rhythmzone_vdLAB I'm curious what the CDJ3000 offer what the SC6000 doesn't. The price differential is certainly not justified and nothing on the Pioneer is new or innovative. If the CDJ3000 cost less than the Denon's it would be a different story. But things like dual-layer, in-unit-analyzer, multiple usb-ports, hot cue button that aren't just hot cure buttons, full song buffering instead of 4-bar-emergency-loop,... the list goes on. Doesn't exactly spell professional when looking at the Pioneer.

[@sheenodj]

I hate the way these have become unattainable luxury items to be lusted after on instagram (like a Rolex or Lamborghini) instead of bulletproof industrial workhorses (like technics 1210). Sign of the times, I guess.

[@RobAlahn]

Great review as always @Mojaxx. Pioneer has definitely won this generation for their intended market-festivals, big clubs installs and rental houses. But until they get an affordable standalone media player Denon has won this generation in the mobile dj, wedding dj and bedroom dj markets.

[@Jerryhayes2]

Prime 2 is all anyone really needs for basic mixing, really annoying it's been discontinued. Thing is a beast for value and performance!

[@ReboyGTR]

12:27 *Revive the XDJ series. And no, i don't mean the controllers i mean the stand alone media players, the XDJ 1000 and 700.*

[@alanmodimages]

I agree. Not having a good and updated mid level player has kept me on the fence now for years.

[@jgonz3542]

I really like my XDJ 1000 MK2s; would be nice if they could be used with Serato DJ in HID but it forced me into the Rekordbox Ecosystem and now...I think that was the right move for me. Still glad I got my kit vs. a DDJ-1000 which was the other option.

[@InitialDL84]

I had a chance to play around with them at NAMM this year, they're really fun to play around with! I have a XDJ-RX2 and love that as well, but if I had the money, I'd copped the 3000s in a heartbeat.

[@iamcleveralias]

About a more affordable option, I agree. Thanks Mojaxx

[@onsite2406]

I own the denon’s and love them. The only thing I think Pioneer wins on, excluding familiarity, is aesthetic/design. They look cooler, although more cluttered. No hate to them, I’d own both if I could.

[@jamesearly7388]

I love my denon sc6000’s and have a pair of cdj3000’s on order hope they come in soon so I will have the best of both world 😊 my ddj 1000 doesn’t quite cut it compared to stand alone players I feel the jogs are better with pioneer. I can not compare the 3000’s as I haven’t played with the 3000’s yet

[@michaelnguetsa]

I use denon too but I agree with you that pioneer has better design

[@maus3454]

Must admid that Pioneer effects sound better than Denon and Pioneer EQs isolate better than Denon. IMHO

[@djcontraz4059]

I love my SC6000’s, but I was just so used to the mechanical feel that the CDJ’s have. That’s probly the only thing I miss about the CDJ’s.

[@leemortimer80]

I would really love streaming in the 3000s. I have a pair and love them, but that feature would be great to just test out tunes before I bought them. I never thought I needed it but I also love the cue link feature, but clubs never seem to get it working despite my technical rider telling them how to set it up 🤣 I’d never used beat jump until I got 3000s and now I use it loads. Cue link and beat jump are both available in the 2000s though I think. Oh and the 3000 screen is SO nice.

[@Goggzzzz]

I sold up my pioneer gear a few years back and fully got into the denon SC players with a Xone 96. I still play a lot gigs now with the CDJ2000 NXS2 and they feel really old and dated. When I do get the chance to play on the CDJ 3000 I love them. They are so nice to use and feel like a massive upgrade from the 2000. They do lack some of the storage and WIFI streaming features of the denon players but make up for it with HID support for most DJ software. I have been a traktor user for 20 years and was waiting for HID support, it never happened so I sold my SC players and went back to a DVS setup. I would like to see pioneer update the CDJ 900NXS and bring out a more affordable players or even bring out a new player with a spinning plater like the rev7 but bigger. I have to agree with you though even though Denon have given it a good go Pioneer are still very much on top when it comes to club setups the CDJ3000 is still the one to have.

[@Mojaxx]

It's rarely mentioned, but the lack of Traktor support with the Denon gear is actually quite a big miss when it comes to club adoption. In the open-format world we sometimes forget how many house & techno DJs still use Traktor.

[@Goggzzzz]

@@Mojaxx before in-music took over Denon DJ there was a lot of TSI files for Denon gear. I just wonder if the lack of support for the SC players is down to NI or Denon. I would really like to see the LC6000 mapped for Traktor and Rekordbox I would go out and purchase a pair straight away if they were compatible with more DJ software.

[@DjSkaylz]

Great info thanks. Always spot on. My only gripe - not that I would play a CD nowadays but it would be great to have that option for $2500 :s

[@djbobrokk723]

Rane Twelves here.. the best ‘moving something’, closest to turntables into digital league..

[@la_clave]

As usual, you make an excellent point… there needs to be a new XDJ-1000mk3 or what have you. You’re a man of the people Mojaxx. Even a Pioneer equivalent of the Denon LC-6000 expansion controller would be very welcome.

[@e1ectroniKa]

I agree. They're great. You definitely feel how superior they are when you end up getting onto a NX2 setup or worse in a club. They're just about up to being as fast as you want to be.

[@djxcel23]

I just used them sunday.. it doesnt matter if it was a cdj800 as long as it works i can use em

[@djfredgarde702]

I love both Pioneer DJ CDJ 2000 NX2 & CDJ 3000 they are both working horse!

[@djhavickofficial]

#DjcityTV Since Tracktor Released Ver 3.6 & its Been 4 Years Can You Do A Update, in Depth Review on both the Controller /Hardware & Software as of 2022

[@RyanUybengkee]

no one is going out of their way buying these. NO one i know. Price will always be an issue if you are a professional DJ. that is why, even if Denon sc6000/M isn't called a "club standard", it still is the best option. and if Pioneer isnt doing something about it, They could go the Nokia way.

[@benceujvari960]

Pioneer is apple in the dj industry. Lot of hate from the other side, “overpriced” “lacking features”… but in the end they are just ruleing the industry

[@hardkore360]

@@benceujvari960 Justin Bieber's sales are probably more than your favorite artist's albums combined, however that doesn't mean it's better. I'll look out for myself and could care less about the "industry" or "club standard". Serato and Pioneer have been stagnant for too long sitting on their past user base while the rest of the competition has actually been innovating and pushing the hardware further into the future (i.e. capacitive touch screens, USB 3.0 ports, ethernet LAN capabilities, controllers WITHOUT needing a PC, dual layer capabilities, on board file/song analyzing WITHOUT a PC, WIFI streaming, just to name a few). Bottom line is that it isn't farfetched to call them overpriced and say that they are lacking features because they actually fulfill those statements 100%.

[@reno5159]

Hey mojaxx. Quick question.. I wanna know if DVS plugged straight into a modern DJM is less prone to latency issues. Lag, drops in audio quality etc. Got my CDJ 1ks Nd dont really wanna upgrade just yet. Might just go pirate studios and try em out there lol. Not sure if I need my Denon box still as well. Very little info online tbh. It's a shame they don't have a £1000~ media player which is abit cheap but worked well with a proper mixer/ booth still. Been saying for a while now, if controllers had decks and mixers as separates- allowing you to upgrade as and when you see fit- that would be sick Nd pioneer could take back that mid range market they once had. Fx6 don't have balanced outputs I believe, all in ones are too pricey for most hobbyists. There products are always on point, shame there not being as competitive in the pricing space lol. Dennon have been showing pioneer up for a while now, weather that be with 2 deck feature, or stems. Even seen numarks all in one used at a load of free parties. Been a pioneer fan for a min now but they need to innovate abit more in my personal opinion. Alot of these features are cool but I know I won't really use them. I primarily mix dnb/jungle, started off using technics, and alot of these buttons are useless to me lol. Never use loops, might have a hot cue for a drop but could easily skip to the right point. I dont even use effects much to be honest.. mainly chopping on a vertical or cutting on a cross fader haha. Sick video tho keep em coming

[@bboymac84]

Funny enough I just used this for the 1st time I like it but I find the nxs2 mixer a lil confusing as I was dropped in on the fly at the club. But over its great. But I used it in serato. The DJ switch over is clunky the way the club set it up. Maybe I’m missing something. But overall great. Denon is killer though!

[@jus1taj]

Father Taj here. I’m not “deep of pocket” but Igot them. Mainly because I want to spin globally. As you said, they are and will be the standard, and I wanted to learn on them. Coming from vinyl using Serato this is a big learning curve but why not? Now when I play on the 2000’s I get tripped up because they don’t have the same layout which works really well. Although I must say that I’m still figuring out what all the buttons do. I’ll say also that the Denon gear is really sexy. Flat out, they make some good gear. But currently, that’s not what I expect to find in the bigger clubs and festivals. Again, I want to spin world wide so learning how to use these fantastic machines seemed the right way to go for me. Thanks for the great vids. They are helping.

[@jgonz3542]

The XDJ 1000 MK2 needs some firmware updates to get closer to the bedroom dj practice session for CDJ 3000 users in the club.

[@RC75]

If they are not made for dj’s but for clubs and festivals on what can a dj practice at home to have (almost) the same experience?

[@sesomediagroup]

I like returning to these reviews after the fact to see how they hold up. Returning to this one in December 2023, after most of us have been outside and back in clubs and at festivals for at least 1 year. Firstly, this is still a great overall review of the unit. But the question still remains: how many people who are in the market for DJ-oriented, turntable replacement media players play in clubs enough to warrant the inexcusably massive price delta between the Pioneer CDJ 3000 and the Denon SC6000? Even allowing for the unusual difficulty of actually buying an SC6000 in the USA right now, it seems all the arguments about the CDJ hinge mostly on “club standard.” We’re back outside for a year now: How many of us are playing in clubs?

[@TuR0k_DJ]

I own a pair of 3000s and they are really great. But to be honest, I would also love to see an export mode in Denons Prime Engine, like Pioneer did with rekordbox. This thing is a game changer for me since the 2000s came years ago and still the main reason I stay in Pioneers ecosystem.

[@maus3454]

You mean Performance Mode?

[@TuR0k_DJ]

@@maus3454 No, I mean the Export Mode via ProDJ Link.

[@MrX-qs2sn]

I hoped to hear something about the not so good reliability rumors. You mention the 4 deck james hype setup but hype actually switched back to nxs2 because of reliability.

[@TechnoMusicFreaks]

Please do a same video about the Denon SC6000!

[@andylysandriou8198]

These are the best decks ever. I love em.

[@davidwilkerson5265]

I can't find any videos of sound shootouts between the rx3, the 3000s, and the xdj-xz. Maybe even the DDJ would be worth including. This is something that seems like it would be an important deciding factor especially for someone like me who's in the market but is unsure which buy suits my need.

[@davidwatson368]

2x cdj 3000 + an XDJ XZ is deadly, full link connectivity, essentially a djm 900 nxs2 in the middle but 4 decks for the price of 2 plus a mixer. Only upgrade would need to be the soundcard, can’t stand up to a djm900 nexus never mind a zone but the 4 decks definitely makes up for that on small sound systems 🤙

[@iSkyline1]

Why would you need to upgrade the soundcard? There is no difference in sound, otherwise they would be unsuitable in a professional setup. It's 2023 and DACs have been transparent for decades now. Also why would you couple a standalone player with a 4-decl controller?? I'm curious which features of the CDJ3000 make it so deadly, since they offer nothing you can't get somewhere for much less money, except for the Pioneer logo and UI.

[@DJOutkast]

My only complain about the 3000’s I recently use them at a beach venue that I worked at and the wear and tear on the hot cue buttons is bad! The 1st and 2nd buttons were completely gone and wouldn’t even work.. guess they were abused before I got to them.. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@dj_paultuk7052]

Ive seen a few DJ's using the cloud feature with a cheap "Wireless Ethernet Bridge". Typically about £30 for a tplink one. And then paired to the hotspot on their phone. Not as nice as Denon but can be made to work cheaply enough with small kit that fits in your backback. Im a Denon guy myself. While i will use a CDJ if thats all there is, my preference is to use DenonDJ. The feature set is just way ahead which enables me to deliver more in the style that i play.

[@djvoid1]

Can it do dual layer?

[@cilitbang12]

Got my cdj3000s after a 7 month wait they are absolutely f++king glorious

[@jamesearly7388]

Are you based in the uk, I understand shipments are coming in this month

[@cilitbang12]

@@jamesearly7388 yes mate I am, My order was through bopdj I almost forgot I had them coming as it took so long

[@jamesearly7388]

@@cilitbang12 mine are through bopdj also so fingers crossed they come soon thanks for reply mate

[@cilitbang12]

@@jamesearly7388 send them an email mate I was back and fourth over the months kept me in the loop!

[@apexpredator_jku]

Denon might not be the "King of the Andals & Protector of the Industry Standard" but I'll be damned if it isn't The King of The North...The People's Champ and Mojaxx ain't fooling nobody. We know what his media player of preference is. He may not be a fanboy but I know he pledges allegiance to the hotness & it doesn't get any hotter than the SC6KM. Look at his face at the end. It pains him to say that the CDJ 3K is King.

[@alanmodimages]

Perhaps he meant King of the Club / Rental House. The SC6000/M is better for multi-format, which he plays a lot. So two different uses.

[@DMulabiTalejan]

🤭

[@lilbritton1]

Still yet to get my hands on a pair of these in any venue yet

[@user-qy9jk3dm6m]

I’ve always wondered why you state that you are in the DJ City UK lab and then only ever quote prices in USD?

[@andycee8234]

I think the sound quality can be heard if you play an acapella on them that's not the best quality as the device has the scope to upscale the media being played.

[@DanielleKingdjdinosaur]

no.Maybe in the dj booth but once i did not need to use cds i got rid of my Denon cdjs which had spinning jogs.something Pioneer only got around to recently with their new controller the Rev 7.I still have pioneer cdjs as back ups for using control cds in a Serato set up but even when i was using them professionally i used them along with turntables and later i went back to turntables with Serato and now its the Rane 12s which i always knew would do well.As well as those there are a multitude of players and controllers to choose from.Apart from my Rane 12s mk 2s i seriously thought about the latest Denons .Especially the ones with the eight inch spinning jogs.Pioneer still do good gear but they have not changed their flagship player enough or in the right direction and recent releases were poorly designed.Mixer wise they are doing well but they need to be tougher.The rev 7 is their best product in recent times but they will need to improve the build quality especially at those high Pioneer prices.I have long believed that their one time virtual monopoly of the dj booth was not healthy long term for them or dj culture.However cracks are starting to appear in their dominance of the clubs and i personally think a little competition is a good thing for everyone including Pioneer.

[@SpaceQuakeOfficial]

I had a chance to use these side-by-side next to my own SC6000's. I think in the mid-size party / DJ enthousaist range these haven't won the generation at all... The "Competition" (Just say the word "Dennon" already) actually gives pioneer a run for their money : P

[@nickgray1753]

I've still got my original CDJ 2000s! Am I really missing out, 14 years later?

[@ddetongre]

Denon SC6000’s gobble these any day and the price point on the 3000’s is double. Unfortunately, everyone has bought into the eco system and the hype after the mark 1’s. Once there is bigger uptake by the main stage dj’s, the. SC6000’s will be more common place.

[@commodore_ruiz4015]

Don't get me wrong, I do love the video and all your videos!! But it's time for BETTER MORE AFFORDABLE products, to be the new club standard!!! For example The older Denon sc5000 (which you can buy it used around for $1000) was released in january 2017 and is over lapping this 2020 hunk of junk $2500 CDJ. O! and the Wifi is already thing that comes with SC series, without plugging it in like a Compaq laptop from 2006!!

[@johnparker8270]

I think the next thing we'll see is an xz2 possibly a four channel USB affair. This will become the go to top end home unit/bar/small club install, I see all in one becoming more dominant if I'm honest and separates becoming more and more niche. £10 000 is an absolutely ridiculous price when a standalone for £2000 has more functionality. I also see Newcastle winning the league this year, tooooo oooo ooooo Yours sceptic ted😜😂

[@JakeLDS]

1000% agree that pioneer need some affordable standalone players. Most people I meet getting into DJing are going for Serato because the pioneer ecosystem is too expensive. That or they're buying vinyl and turntables. The price of 2 CDJs, not even with a mixer will get you two turntables, a nice little 2 channel mixer and a ton of vinyl. Pioneer is being abandoned.

[@aleksandarkikivideos]

I tried CDJ-3000 few times, and feeling was same as when I switched from CDJ-1000mk3 to CDJ-2000. Confusing. I decided to stay with CDJ-2000nxs2 because everything on 3000 was "one click further". One and only option that I really need is Tidal streaming, and that is not an option. I used it on Denon and it works perfectly, but sadly Pioneer doesn't have it, so I will skip this generation, waiting for CDJ-3000mk2 :)

[@themotherofall]

What other performing artist besides a DJ shows up to perform and says I'll use the tools that are provided; instead of I'll use what tools I can provide my best performance with. I just saw your video on the SC6000s and you said you "Loved" them, pushing inovation of whats possible. If I was new to this and just saw this video I would think you were endorsing CDJ 3000 as the King of DJ equipment. Maybe telling people how the "Club Standard" becomes the club standard...sales reps, contracts, fringe benefits and not paying full price. How many clubs ask the DJs what tools they prefer to give their best performance?

[@kennethmalafy8012]

Pioneer is expensive but it is always a safe buy. I still see the older players in some clubs and they are what, over 10 yrs old now? Also, a few features (that other players might have) doesn't really beat out the confidence you feel when you step in the club with your USB, the set up is almost exactly the same as you have at home, you just walk up to the players and go. It looks really professional too.

[@iSkyline1]

If you can only use one brand's UI and hardware you're not an artist/musician, you're an entertainer and not a professional at that imho. Also it's a flawed comparison. How would we know if other competitors build shitty or robust hardware if they never got a chance to prove themselves, since Pioneer has been in 99% of all clubs for well over 10 years. Also if you look closer you will lose your confidence with the CDJ3000s rather quickly. They have only one usb-port, no internal harddrive. So whatt happens if that port breaks or the usb-drive accidentally gets disconnected? That's right, the typical 4-bar-emergency-loop... in their top-of-the-line media-player. The Denon's buffer the entire song so I can transition to another unit with ease and no awkward random looping to the audience. And don't even get me started on paying almost double the price for one single layer compared to Denon's dual-layers. Whether you need them or not it's outrageous that Pioneer is asking for that kind of money for less features and redundancies compared to the competition and people will still buy it because "MuH cLuB sTaNdArD!".

[@kennethmalafy8012]

@@iSkyline1 Completely disagree with you on the "if you only use one brand's ui or hardware you're not an artist/ musician." There are many famous top musicians in huge bands that stick with one brand because they like the sound of their instruments/ pedals/ software. Some musicians back in the past preferred a certain kind of wood for their instrument. Have no idea where you are getting that from.... Plus, I guess, I'm not nearly as judgemental on other musicians/ artists as that. I try to support others in the scene, I don't need to be negative. Just because I prefer Pioneer doesn't mean I haven't used the other players. I have a Denon set up as well and have a lot of experience with the Prime Four as well as other companies beyond that. The Pioneer work flow model just feels the most intuitive to me, everything just feels like it's where it's supposed to be. Pioneer gear tends to also have a much higher resale value (and be more in demand) than the other companies (go checked the prices on used gear) and is still the club standard- even if the Denon players have more features. I stand with my original comment on calling it a "safe buy."

[@iSkyline1]

@@kennethmalafy8012 It's not about preference but a monopoly held by a manufacturer that is releasing subpar equipment for ridiculous prices. I see many DJs on gigs complaining if they have to play on anything but Pioneer-stuff coupled with their fanboy attitude and hearing "club standard" every damn time this happens. I have a hard time staying positive when it's just people dunking on anything without a Pioneer-logo, with the only reasoning being "ClUb StAnDaRd" and "I hear brand X is crap, Pioneer all the way". There is a slight exception for Xone 92s and 96s, which are only good for oldschool-techno imho. And we know that Denon offers with the SC6000 than Pioneer does with the CDJ3000, it's jsut a fact. The only reason why it's a safe buy is because of the monopoly Pioneer has. "Pioneer gear tends to also have a much higher resale value" Not over here in europe. Resale value right now is basically retail from 1-2 years ago, no matter the brand. I see used Denon mixers going for at most 200€ less than current retail price, anything less than that are scams.

[@kennethmalafy8012]

@@iSkyline1 I will give you a phenomenal piece of advice that will do you well (if you chose to take it): Don't worry about what other people think or what gear they have. Focus on your own music and improving with whatever gear you have. Pioneer is the club standard because they were the first company to get a really good cd player for DJing. They cornered the market at that point, just like Technics did with the turntables (you would literally never see non technic turntables). Now if you are a club owner- your CDJ breaks, why in the world would you run out and buy a Denon? You have used pioneer for years, it has worked well for years, you have all Pioneer equipment..... Why would you replace a CDJ with a different brand or even buy a whole new system for a different company? You wouldn't- that's why Pioneer is the standard, no other reason. It has nothing to do with fanboys or anything, it's simple business. Why doesn't Pioneer innovate? Because= customers are happy with the current Pioneer gear- if they change something- thy could alienate some of their market. Stores can not even keep CDJs in stock! They sell out the first day. Look at the price on the used CDJ 2k (the old model)- it is almost the same as the price of a new one! Why would anyone in their right mind change their product in those conditions? Even someone who has almost little or no business sense can see that Pioneer has no reason to change. I stay with my recommendation that Pioneer DJ Products are a "safe buy." I don't even think you can argue with that. My recommendations for you are in the first sentences of this post. You will never grow as an artist if you focus on the negative. Maybe in a different music scene (one that enjoys negative vibes) but in EDM, the vibe is positivity. If you do not come off as positive, most people in this scene will not work with you.

[@iSkyline1]

@@kennethmalafy8012 "Don't worry about what other people think or what gear they have. Focus on your own music and improving with whatever gear you have." I don't live in a vacuum and neither do you, no one really does. If I put anything other than Pioneer in the booth people complain. So I have to consider what gear others are using, even if I prefer a different setup myself. Please don't confuse me being critical with negativity. Not everything in this world is positive and being able to handle valid criticism is essential if you ever want to grow not just as an artist but as a person. If you feel the need to defend a brand that deliberately limits their hardware and offers gear that is outdated from the time of release while charging almost double compared to the competition...then you're a fanboy, no offense. You can innovate without a complete re-design. Features like dual-layer, full-song buffering, multiple usb-ports and mounts for hard-drives should be standard in professional DJ-players, for redundancy alone. Yet Pioneer doesn't offer any of those features in their lineup. It goes to show that their status as club-standard is based solely on reputation and the reluctancy of DJs to experiment and learn new things. If you wanted to grow as an artist you would be excited for new features and innovation, even if there is a learning curve. I rarely see that attitude with professional DJs and so many of them don't actually care about good sound and the technical aspects of their craft. There is a reason why most sound-engineers don't like working with DJs. "Why would you replace a CDJ with a different brand or even buy a whole new system for a different company? You wouldn't-" Except in principle you actually would, happens in other industries all the time. You go where you get the best bang for your buck or the best performance. Pioneer just doesn't offer either of those, they used to but not anymore. Also it's not just Pioneer that is sold out at the moment. You can hardly get any gear from reputable brands right now.

[@marcosa.catena6414]

As a continuation of my previous reply, it will be a replacement for the xdj1000 mk2 and pioneer will do the same... they will come with the replacement and then right after they will come up with a new one.. just like the did with the djm2000 and djm 2000 nx. The xdj 1000 and the mk2 and the djm v10 and djm v10lf.

[@djrohan_presents]

Pioneer DJ- The Apple of the DJ industry. haters will hate them but you cant deny they get the job done day in and out...

[@djrohan_presents]

@@djstuc your right they do. But they don’t revolutionise anything. They watch others and then implement their own version in a more polished and better way. They focus on things working reliably before they go for anything extreme. Folding phones is a good example of this

[@djrohan_presents]

@@djstuc its true when steve jobs was around they used to be more original in innovation but thats not the case in recent years. Look at what other laptop makers and phone makers are doing and its hard to press a case for apple being at the forefront anymore., They are more for consolidation now. nothing wrong with that though. Innovation for the sake of innovation is not always needed.

[@djrohan_presents]

@@djstuc If you do your research you'll know that apple outsources its chip production and that the M1 processors are all based on ARM technology (not apple). They have design input but its mainly on how they integrate into the apple ecosystem. Hence the amazing performance with mainly apple software. It also a political gain as they dont need to rely on intel anymore. Its smart business sense rather than innovation. But to be fair we are moving away from my original point. Pioneer DJ did innovate in their early days with the CDJ and some of their mixers which are now industry standard. They Havent done much since because they dont need to! The CDJ 3000 is a good example of this. It does the job with just enough improvments over the previosu generation.There are similarities between Pioneer DJ and Apple in my opinion but of course we can agree to disagree.

[@djrohan_presents]

@@djstuc ha ha! Maybe therye is some stretching going on on both sides! no hard feelings. it is possible for people to have different opinions. have a great day

[@djrohan_presents]

@@djstuc Thats interesting. thanks for sharing your setup. I love DVS and i run my 1200s through a rane 70 at the present (prior to this i had a S9!). I have a pioneer DDJJ rev7 as my secondary/ mobile setup. Believe it or not Im a complete apple fan and have an imac, macbook pro, iphone, applewatch, ipad, apple tv.....completely sucked into the ecosystem! I have one gaming PC which I use for certain programs including streaming. Maybe my comparison is a little simplistic but it occurred to me that both apple and pioneer had innovated more in their past and now maybe resting on their laurels. We techies are always hoping for more innovation and changes but the majority of people dont care! They will still install pioneer CDJs in their clubs because the standard is set and hard to change.I will still get the latest apple tech when it comes out but mainly because i know it will "just work". I miss watching apple keynotes and thinking "wow! thats amazing!" Regarding the 1200s.... they are an icon in the DJ community for sure and I love them. I do think CDJs have their place in history though as jobbing Dhs converted to digital mediums. Hence Id still give some props to Pioneer. I do remember the previosu standard- the Denon rack mount CD players which every club had prior to the table top design of the pioneers. At the time i bought the CDJ 500 and was blown away. But yes its not the same impact that the 1200s had on the birth of DJ culture.

[@ACCOUNTANTB]

I still prefer denon with real spinning platter...I still consider relevant the feel of scratching and hold the cue point manually like any regular vinyl.

[@bigdaz7272]

I don't own either but i would still prefer to have the Denon SC6000M even if they were the same price. Those spinnin platters and all the extra tech for me hands down and they are way cheaper to boot.

[@JakeLDS]

I have my rekordbox set to display key alphanumerically so I can mix in key. I use it all tge time. Whenever I play a venue with 3000s it display all the keys in the standard format. Further more, my friend who doesn't use alphanumerically key has all of his display alphanumerically on 3000s. So 3000s get the key display back to front to whatever you have set in rekordbox and whatever gets displayed on all other pioneer gear. Incredibly frustrating little problem, it means I hate using them.

[@drewbeck1000]

their standalone lineup is a mess - playing out means needing to know the quirks of all the different players you might end up with. If they're smart they'll figure out a cohesive strategy based on the 3000 and start bringing out revamped lower-priced models. I'm not optimistic, though: I think doing this correctly means leaving some old workflows behind and I'm not sure pioneer has the stomach for that. also as a denon fanboy the 3000s are definitely the best CDJs I've played on. The jog, the hardware 4/8 loop buttons and the big touch screen make it pretty dang good

[@jeremywagor]

wish they would add back the ability to change the rating on deck that the 2000nx2's could do.... also on deck track analyzation i think is long overdue

[@fredbissnette3104]

the question is simple does the 3000 fit the description of industry standard player the way a 1200 did are these what every dj should expect when in a proper dj box

[@jgonz3542]

I like this train of thought but the times and technology are so different I'm not sure it applies; in 197x DJ's had a pretty limited source to pick from, sure there were 100's if not thousands of competing record players on the market but that was the only tech that could produce the end result, today, the CDJ 3000 is still competing with that tech (DVS) lap tops, phones, and anything else that plays "media". Its not just records any more so when you zero in on "media players" you get much more competition which for me, makes this an apples to oranges sort of comparison. Great comment tho...really.

[@lucasherrmann4216]

Regularly playing on new SC6000s and Prime X1850, features are great but (Software) reliability is my biggest concern, me and a lot of other DJs have a lot of problems with them, like: - not showing the correct BPM even though they were properly analyzed and exported - players freezing during change of USB sticks - jog adjust feels different on different players on same setting - player randomly shutting down in the middle of a song - broken effect machine on X1850 (wrong BPM without Ethernet connection, not showing the chosen effect) - wear on the X1850 is also pretty bad, markings on channel faders and effect knob are already wearing off pretty bad I also feel like tapping in songs with pioneers is more precise then with the denons Nevertheless I also had and have seen problems with pioneers, but the problems on the denons feel worse as I have encountered them regularly And yes, both of the players were on the newest software!

[@d.holland209]

For me the Denon SC6000Ms blows them 3000 players out the water. I played on both systems and you get way more bang for your buck with the SC6000MS. Just my personal opinion.

[@signsofthetimes886]

Have you had any "glitches" with the sc6000ms? The main thing I look when buying gear is reliability

[@d.holland209]

@@signsofthetimes886 No issues on my end

[@GLOVEGLOBAL]

Big time issues with my units I own (2) sc6000 & 1850 mixer.

[@DjSmoothNY]

@@GLOVEGLOBALI also own sc6000ms and never had an issue. What issues do the sc6000’s have?

[@terancebaza6516]

😂

[@dweltmusic]

Gotta remember that these were new just as the pandemic started so its still a fresh use market only 1 season in really as the new club standard so in a year or so this might be different

[@juups4857]

3000's are so nice :)

[@nunsc]

I have some i think they willbe aroundanother2 years before pioneer bring out the first all in one, complete with subscription service and beatport integration of some kind. I agree, we need a 1000 or something similar for home. I wanna buy these for home, but not for that kinda money. I know for fact pioneer wanna sell as many as these as possible before shoving a 4000 down our throats. But i started djing in 92, nowadays everyone wants to be a dj 🙄 it aint a bad thing. But i personally have moved on from these and gone back to vinyl. Kinda full circle if you will. I spend about 2k a month on it, but least vinyl isnt going anywhere. I would like to see more people going all in on vinyl and actually learning the art of mixing over just using a sync controller or cdjs every now and then. The dj setup should always have at least 1 turntable in it. Imo.

[@DidierWolfs]

Playing vinyl is not an option for everyone. Besides the hassle to carry the records (I mean, not a bag of 60, but carrying 200), it’s quite expensive and these days, vinyls are hard to get, due to pressing limitations, small or bigger labels have. I love vinyls (I have 5000) and keep on buying a little, but digital, opens up for more creativity. 2 different feelings…

[@matthewjswider]

I had 12 on order for months and just days ago guitar center said they didn’t get their full shipment of stock and they’ve been holding 27k of my cash. Do anything you can to avoid that turd of a company.

[@gothadrive]

We really need a new budget, club-size player from Pioneer... XDJ 1000MK3 / CDJ 2500 something...

[@donaldchilnerjr175]

I'm very happy with my denons

[@curly_]

They are simply WAAAY to expensive for what they offer. BUT The Real Problem are the DJs who are to stubborn to go for Denon and change the Clubpicture and therefore force Pioneer to innovate again and offer decent Hardware for decent Prices.

[@DEBOASSE]

The 3K are not James Hype preference btw. There’s some videos of him and his tour manager explaining why they’re back on 2knx2. Pioneer gives top clubs and festivals their gear and also sign Djs as marketing strategy. I love Denon and I have sc5x and sc5m + 1800 mixer and prime go. The prime go is the best thing ever invented for mobile Djs. The 6k series is just way too beautiful. I love the competition but pioneer vs Denon is like Apple vs Samsung. We can’t convince people otherwise.

[@lambadainc8510]

The lack streaming service ability is the reason why I didn't CDJ 3000s but Denons. Also the Name CDJ turns me off, they should be called the XDJ 3000s.

[@risquedj]

Yes! I owned NXS2s. Switched them out for SC6000s. After 1.5 years, went back to Pioneer w' the 3000s. The difference between the NXS2s and the 3000s are stark!! Yes, I noticed almost immediately that my Lossless files, as well as my few 320CBR tracks were immediately better sounding on the 3000s vs. my NXS2s and the SC6000s. DVS doesn't apply to me, so the standalone hardware's limitations, by comparison, don't apply to me at the moment. Denon is gaining ground, but the 3000s are the most complete decks that Pioneer have ever released. The differences are purely proprietary. For the average user, the 3000 is superb! But, as the tech evolves, and the up and coming generation begins to demand more, Denon will more than likely come up ahead. Pioneer don't appear to be willing to move beyond what the Pros demand. Not even taking into account that the next generation of pros will demand more. Like I said in a recent Reddit convo.....standalone hardware won't peak until' they can match, feature for feature, what DVS software can achieve. Pioneer clearly aren't on that path. Denon are, however!!!

[@DJFAmenHeavy]

This feels like Pioneer have paid a wedge for this review 😂 The SC6000 is far superior

[@alexsedman1]

The fact that he wouldn't even say the word Denon or mention the SC6000 in this review is proof enough Clearly been paid off and told not to mention Denon, or he'd have given a proper objective review and compared them to the competition.

[@risquedj]

@@alexsedman1 I disagree. Mojaxx has never been one to be a whore for the industry. Look back at his livestreams. He uses both Denon and Pioneer kit. I think that he has given us his honest take on each hardware manufacturer's kit for this generation. I'm sorry he didn't emphatically endorse what you Denon fanboys wanted to hear. But, judging by the parties/festivals I've seen over the past couple years, I'd say that Denon haven't convinced peeps, other than the paid endorsements, to "change their rider", or "embrace the future" quite yet.

[@DMulabiTalejan]

Same here. No value addition to warrant 15 minutes of our lives on the out-classed gear we already know!!!

[@iwillnevergetone5]

the notion that these 10:54 CDJ3000's aren't supposed to be bought by DJ's, but still expecting DJ's to be comfortable performing on them when they show up to play a set is like telling someone they're gonna use a Custom Shop Strat or Les Paul, but they can't practice on that same guitar at home. that type of formula makes the first portion of your set awkward while you're feeling your way around. just buy the Denons and bring them with you to your show

[@BluePlaidProductions]

It seems like it’s only the club standard because clubs are buying it, not because DJs want it. I own a pair of SC6000s and they are nothing short incredible, better than pioneer, and every DJ whose played on my gear agrees.

[@trhoda2001]

I fully second that. Still happy with my DENON sc6000m’s after almost 2 years. Pioneer Dj’s jaws drop when I show them what I can do with them that the industry standard can’t do. Pioneer dont make flagship players for DJ’s anymore. They make it for club owners and event companies. They can go on like that for another 5 years and they’ll see what their real end users (dj’s) end up doing.

[@benceujvari960]

The dj’s write a rider, and they request the gear they want to use… so the local club can have the denons, but if a big name comes they need to rent the club standart.

[@ReboyGTR]

*No, but that won’t stop it from being the player on all the club and festival stages.*

[@dj_paultuk7052]

Not always though. Denon reported that 31 DJ's this year on the 3 week Tomorrowland used DenonDJ SC's. So popular that the main stage had the 2 setups side by side on sliding desks that could be moved into position in just seconds as each DJ came on and off stage.

[@benceujvari960]

@@dj_paultuk7052 you mean the dj’s that promoted by denon, just to use they gear, like oliver heldens, and laidback luke?

[@dj_paultuk7052]

@@benceujvari960 So there were 31 promoted DJ's by Denon at Tomorrowland ?. Unlikely.

[@benceujvari960]

@@dj_paultuk7052 So i just looked up, around 400 dj’s were on tomorrowland, so 31 is not that impressive, and i also opend some videos from tomorrowland, and bigger names still used pioneer. Soo….

[@benceujvari960]

@@djstuc It’s not likeing or dislikeing, the denons copied the whole formfactor of the cdj/djm, so the paid dj’s can play on them, and that’s all, i watched some denonback luke set, and he never used any of the “feaures” of the players

[@user-wx8nm8fk2j]

The ultimate choice is simple. If you want to buy a player that you'll see at every club and keep it's resale value, buy the Cdj. Now now if you want to take your dj skills to the next level, a feature proof player and won't worth anything after you buy it. Get the sc6000. I am a denon fanboy but i had to get the 3000. Lets say i dont want want them any more after 3 years or so guitsr center will buy them assap

[@user-wl1uz5sb9f]

What a complete miss to not include streaming capabilities, Denon did it long time ago

[@qwalee1864]

I have the cdj 2000 Nexsus 1’s and the djm nexus 900 mixer. And although I love these new players. I might only ever upgrade the mixer to a djm 900 nxs 2 or buy a Rane mp2015, but that’s about it. I think for what you need they have everything (nexus 1 or 2) . The 3000’s are great not knocking them. A lot more buttons and whistles, the screens and cue buttons in the rainbow , looks great . Instant doubles button 😆.. but I don’t need all those bells and whistles to do a great mix .. And I think slowly add things ( really slowly 🙄) they can reinvent and add things for ever and ever over and over again amen. And everyone just laps it up and gives them the down payment of there Morgage hahah But at the point of the nexus and nexus 2’s I think it’s like what do you really need more of to mix .. yeah Wi-Fi , and connectivity streaming , but you have to ask your self , these TINY things could Have been added at the point of the original 2000 and nexus .. there not THE CUTTING EDGE of technology, others did it then , other tech had it back then , and are doing now. I mean that’s my point , The tech was possible then ?? 🤷🏻‍♂️You can’t argue with that. I worked with PCs for ages and the tech inside a cdj is really , kind basic. And in house software has always room to improve I think pioneer monopolises on there market rain and dribbles out there new features and adds new things that seem great at the time , but are soon got over .. when they could have just given it us all before . Basically They carrot dangle so much(as does a huge amount of the music tech industry) . And charge FAR FAR to much .. I’m happy with what I have . And I thank pioneer for all they have done , but I think they kinda take the Mickey to much . If they made them cheaper and they gave us it all even back then , they still would have made there money and reputation. I can’t wait to see the competition make even more waves in the Dj pool and see even new company’s step up to the plate. When that happens it will be a balanced market and you will see pioneer drops prices to more realistic terms , but until then it’s sell the sliver ware and you grandma for the new shiny shiny haha 😆 👏👍 And Mojaxx you are awesome . Long live your channel 🥂👏👏👏

[@Bigger-Circuitry-Bigger-SOUND]

Mojaxx you should do an educative episode talking about Digital summing e digital quantisation vs Analog summing, how we humans hear the sound ( analog ), because the majority of DJs are deeply ignorant on the metter even some big cats on the industry don't have the minimal basics, why do this, because i think that might be very helpful for people to make more wise and better quality choices spending less money instead of getting screwed by the marketing of big corporations. CDJs are just good souncards with jog-wheel and buttons same is the mixer (the summing of the tracks happen in digital domain 0s & 1s and is digitally quantised than converted which artificial summing as it is mathematically quantised), by simply using traktor, serato etc + a sound card like RME, Antelope and a quality Analog mixer the result would be much cheaper and of a higher quality in terms of sound perceived by the audience and no need to pull out 10000$ every 4 years. CDj has more the purpose to make DJs look that they are doing something where in reality they don't do much creatively speaking . People get partisanship about WAV or LP which are both great and there is not such big difference between but the real huge difference is the digital summing (artificial quantisation) vs analog summing (natural summing). Sound is more HIFI and better for human ear if mixing 2 digital files in an analog mixer than mixing 2 LP in a digital mixer.

[@kristofaxelson5088]

The instruments on a large percentage of dance music tracks are already summed digitally.

[@oc10121989]

still didnt manage to get new high - mid-high end players, man, i miss it

[@spankmymango]

I’m buying them just to play them at home. 😂 and I don’t even know how to DJ yet hahahahahaha