STOP ARGUING

[@Hemo-Dyn]

One of the worst decisions of my life was listening to death consciousness while bombing a college calculus test from home in the middle of a pandemic on a cold, grey day in December.

[@yattahippyoh7806]

Real af

[@Remedy462]

Mine was taking a strong edible and listening to this album for the first time. I literally became one with the empty void.

[@AlexHider]

One time I listened to Giles Corey in a low mood and almost killed myself. Nuclear grade doom record.

[@justascomplicated8182]

Why didn't you just cheat loser? Huhh?? You just like to lose????????

[@helloface001]

@@AlexHider THERE'S A DEVIL ON MY BACK

[@renapeppers20]

Anthony you have a series called let's argue and now you want me to STOP ARGUING?? MAKE UP YOUR MIND FLAMINGO

[@itstheaxolotldude1234]

Why tf is parapa the rapper telling us deathconsciousness is shoegaze

[@joaquin5929]

Why tf is Woodstock from Peanuts commenting on a Fantano video

[@knowartist3383]

because his opinion is worth more than you, haha.

[@cyn6973]

@@knowartist3383 parappa the rapper made the clean version of we cry together

[@caIieco]

deathconsciousness parappa the rapper: I GOTTA CONCEDE!

[@TrendsetterMusicOnly]

This comment is so underrated it's crazy 😂

[@acidolite]

FANTANO FINALLY TALKS ABOUT DEATHCONSCIOUSNESS

[@jech1216]

Psuedo intellectual found out about the album from tiktok😂✌️

[@jejasf8203]

@@jech1216Takes one to know one

[@jech1216]

@@jejasf8203 lil bro "knows" im one too saying this😂✌️

[@aR0ttenBANANA]

@@jech1216wut… Melon was like one of their biggest backers ever

[@LovesickMisanthrope]

​@@jech1216 I'm not a pseudo intellectual I'm just insanely depressed.

[@marioi.carrillo6264]

This is a ska album

[@TheCrazyleo99]

NO

[@badatnames1444]

​@@TheCrazyleo99DREAM

[@TheCrazyleo99]

@@badatnames1444 MORE LIKE A FUCKING NIGHTMARE

[@Remedy462]

This is a Swing Revival album.

[@TheCrazyleo99]

@@badatnames1444 MORE LIKE A FUCKING NIGHTMARE

[@sleep6837]

Shoe gays

[@cbv7071]

real

[@cloudbloom]

lmao boom gottem 😎

[@mrlevinielsen]

Chuck shoe mer

[@Justice4Canaan]

@@mrlevinielsen Shoe on head

[@SanskarWagley]

Shoe bisexual

[@teilocadogan7841]

I heard bloodhail in the club last night

[@gombocdimensional9050]

you are lying!?

[@POVShotgun]

Whereeee

[@ronintheebarbarian2041]

A real club classic

[@SanskarWagley]

it's true, I was the club

[@ohhkida]

what??

[@DKdrop]

Once again, the internet learns the futility of art categorization.

[@PoorEdward]

Calling the categorization of art a futility is sort of ironic, given how its purpose is utility.

[@spongbong0]

wouldn't you agree that it is futile and a waste of time to argue so adamantly over your view that an entire fifty minutes worth of audio is to be labeled as a single "genre" (though a more fitting term is "medium") as opposed to thinking for two seconds outside of the box to come to the conclusion that things never fall under just one category, and it is much more accurate to label a musical album such as this one with multiple tags (gothic rock, shoegaze, post punk); argument solved. I think that is the longest sentence I've written in my life.​@@PoorEdward

[@spongbong0]

well, I guess I summarized the all-knowing Melon's viewpoints unknowingly.

[@Rebazar]

"Learns" is a stretch

[@98loud]

​@@spongbong0yeah adding multiple genres to an album is still categorizing it. And as the guy above said, the purpose is utility. If I listen to a song, and I like how it sounds and want to hear more, I look for more songs in that genre. Without categories, you don't have to place to start looking. You'd just be listening to songs randomly until you found one that sounded similar. Utility is never a waste of time.

[@d-a-i-s-y]

fantano has only 2 sides: “let’s argue 😈” and “stop arguing 👿”

[@jackjohn8067]

Mister “LETS ARGUE” over here telling people to stop arguing smh 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@ellieskunkz5044]

ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS

[@TheJugulousDeli]

THANK GOD THAT'S OVER THANK GOD THAT'S OVER THANK GOD THAT'S OVER THANK GOD THAT'S OVER THANK GOD THAT'S OVER THANK GOD THAT'S OVER THANK GOD THAT'S OVER THANK GOD THAT'S OVER

[@abrasi0n_faiiry]

now that’s what i call depression!

[@TheMorningIWokeUpDead]

this reminded me of.. ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS

[@hankwicklund2182]

faces sweaty, arms and legs, mom's spaghetti arrowheads

[@HipHopfan_]

Your capslock is on

[@noahstanley9666]

Death grips is Hyperpop

[@franciothatguy]

the more I think about this, the more my head hurts

[@danielparra3758]

True

[@duckduckgoose8049]

I think you're right actually

[@shamdogg]

death grips is industrial hip hop and electropunk

[@hillehai]

I really can't stand how much some people make whatever music/music genre/band they listen to a fundamental part of their identity and then go on these angry crusades about more-or-less arbitrary genre categories, letting everyone know how stupid they are along the way.

[@LiminalVegas]

I miss the 90s too.

[@OuttaThisWorldProd]

If you understand music I think it’s more acceptable. But ya most people think something “sounds cool” or the lyrics “make them feel something”😂😂

[@Remedy462]

It literally doesn't matter what subgenre you describe this album as long as what you describe conveys enough that someone has a general idea of what the album sounds like. Post punk, Post Rock, Gothic Rock, or Shoe Gaze.Doesn't matter as long as the person you are talking to has a semblance of what it sounds like. I think Doom Gaze is very fitting.

[@sleepingkittystar]

​@@OuttaThisWorldProdyeah i hate them

[@twix2615]

@@OuttaThisWorldProd wow imagine music making you feel something, can you believe these plebs?

[@whereami2700]

I've really stopped caring about genre specifications besides like the more broad ones. I just focus on whether I like the music or not personally

[@Bojoschannel]

After a while of listening to music that breaks genre boundaries like Deathconsciousness you really stop caring at all

[@PoorEdward]

This comment is almost as cringe as the type of comment that seeks to pigeonhole everything uncompromisingly; categories are cool, comforting and useful.

[@whereami2700]

@PoorEdward I'm not saying no one should care, I'm just saying I already like most if not all genre's, so my personal attention is on whether the music is good or not ad not arguing about the genre(s) it falls under. I'm mostly talking about like super specific ones or ones where it's debatable or hard to pin down what genre an album or artist belongs to. That usually tends to be some of my favorite actually. I really like when it's hard to specifically categorize an album

[@raefinoh1172]

Agreed. I think the main use for genres is just finding more music in the vein of a band or album you like

[@maddietheidiot]

in my opinion, this record contains shoegaze elements but is certainly not primarily shoegaze. i've always viewed it as more of a secondary genre personally. it's very present in tracks like Bloodhail, Earthmover and especially I Don't Love but as a whole i view it as more of a post-punk / post-rock album that happens to have some elements of shoegaze amongst many other genres within. to be honest this album has always transcended genre for me. it took me over a year of being a massive fan for me to even consider that it has genres lol. it's one of those albums that's really hard to fully narrow down, this is just my take on things.

[@vincentskater]

I completely agree; you took the words right out of my mouth! It's also over an hour long; there is a ton to pick apart! But yes, I say it has elements of Shoegaze, but I wouldn't consider it a Shoegaze Record; more of a post-punk or Gothic or Doom - it's very noisy at times and very soft at times, but an absolute masterpiece !

[@bluemoon98]

Yeah shoegaze its clearly not their main genre, i see them as post-punk/goth definitely

[@quaidc8716]

we NEED a deathcon classic review

[@gooseisloose6908]

PLEASE

[@buzyparticals3753]

Holy shit deathconsciousness

[@WiloPolis03]

Wait till y'all hear about the Radiohead progressive rock debate

[@AlexW58]

When I was calling OKC dad rock I was crucified.

[@StudioScarecrow]

@@AlexW58it’s only dad rock in the sense that any kind of rock music from 20+ years ago is going to have some fans who are now dads

[@TheBadBuffalo]

The Sunbather genre debate is probably the first one I think of

[@cranberriesoft]

Radiohead are horrible so who cares.

[@StudioScarecrow]

@@cranberriesoft boooooooooooooooooo

[@I_TheLandlord]

It’s literally Post-Industrial Doomgaze

[@BigOwl51]

It’s post punk. No industrial, no shoegaze, no doomgaze. It’s a post punk album.

[@extraneous3408]

​@@BigOwl51post punk alone doesn't completely define the album lol

[@bluemoon98]

​@@extraneous3408post-punk/goth and noise probably

[@PoorEdward]

@@BigOwl51you don’t know or understand how language works btw

[@charmofknlypi]

something something genre. just listen to the music bro

[@auggie87]

To quote a Wise man, William Joel: "It's still Rock n Roll to me" Me too, William, me too...

[@jorgeskuf]

"its not shoegaze and doomgaze isnt real" *takes a look at what genre tags they wrote on the official bandcamp release* "doomgaze, post punk, shoegaze"

[@BigOwl51]

Just because they call themselves doomgaze doesn’t make doomgaze a real genre. If Tyler the creator starts calling his music “fart rap”, does that automatically make fart rap a real genre?

[@randomsomeguy156]

​@@BigOwl51 Yes, actually! Doesn't the artist hold authority over the genre or style of their own work? Who decides what is or isn't a genre if not the artist themselves? Furthermore, if I create an album intending it to be rock, but listeners perceive it as jazz, then perhaps I've produced 'bad' rock but 'good' jazz. However, that doesn't negate the original intended genre. As the audience or critic, you should either: a) stop overanalyzing and simply enjoy the music without labels, or b) if you are going to delve deeper, then assess the album in the context of the artist's intentions, because any other approach results in invalid criticism. If Tyler, the Creator releases an album-regardless of its quality-and calls it 'fart rap,' what prevents that from becoming a real genre? You can draw parallels between genres, and a new genre might closely resemble an existing one (so perhaps they could be merged), but to declare 'it's not real' lacks any basis and is entirely irrelevant, as the artist owns their art. If the audience interprets it differently, that's fine, but that doesn't overwrite or invalidate the artist's intention or their own labeling. To wrap up, if artists' weren't the only and last ones to define their art then critics would have no place to stand - see the bad rock good jazz argument - fantano goes into a self described rap album and reviews it on the merits of its self describeness to the other work that has the same self described label. If someone calls it fart rap then enjoy it as such, maybe it's a stinker, or maybe it straight steamy fire

[@sleepingkittystar]

​@@BigOwl51hell yea

[@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick]

⁠​⁠@@BigOwl51If some British dickhead starts calling Moose’s music “shoegaze” because of all the effects pedals, does that suddenly make shoegaze a real genre?

[@PoorEdward]

@@BigOwl51what do you think language is for the millionth time? Who do you think comes up with these genres? It’s for the purpose of convenience, periodization and understanding, not just your arbitrary feelings. The point is to communicate, and you could argue fart rap would be unsuccessful at that, and if we holistically agree, then it becomes defunct in terms of communication. Genres don’t exist, categories don’t exist; none of these things are tangible, they’re ways of addressing tangible things.

[@jam-ux2xv]

Faces sweaty, arms and legs What a glorious set of stairs we make

[@someescapedalien5699]

faces sweaty, arms and legs what a glorious set of stairs we maaaake

[@AlgonSoft]

Faces sweaty, arms and legs What a glorious set of stairs we make

[@RickJaeger]

Faces sweaty, arms and legs weak Vomit on my sweater already Mom's spaghetti

[@Jacksmex9888]

5 IN THE MORNIN I BE HATING ON SHIT

[@oblivionworldwide]

10 IN THE EVENING I BE HATING ON SHIT

[@PoorEdward]

It’s currently 1 in the morning and I hate chromakopia; I think it’s shit tbh.

[@Jacksmex9888]

@@PoorEdward 1 IN THE MORNING YOU BE HATING ON SHIT (for no reason Chromakopia was amazing)

[@ApocalypseMoose]

Let's not forget that Silversun Pickups are considered shoegaze. It's not that specific a genre.

[@GrandeBeesly]

Why is Fantano looking like Parappa the Rapper

[@NeoGraena]

Paraptony Raptano

[@CentipedesAnimeStuff]

thatistheplan erasure 💔

[@jamisonmp]

Funny thing, I recently ordered some Chat Pile merch and I received a postcard for this album from the Flenser with my order. The hype is obviously still alive and well.

[@pierrelarosa4055]

WE NEED THE CLASSIC REVIEW FOR THIS ALBUM

[@toucantojo1022]

new series “LET’S NOT ARGUE”

[@DecadeofDecay]

I didn't know the album deathconciousness was so popular! I remembered discovering the song "Bloodhail" in 2017-ish (because I remember the city I was). Thanks to the Spotify algorithm, it puts that song on my Discover Weekly playlist because I was into a lot of post-rock/metal, shoe/black/gaze and doom (with Lantlos, Deafheaven, Pallbearer, Batushka and so on). Oh and here the genres of Have a Nice Life according to the website everynoise (from Spotify data) : blackgaze, doomgaze, dream pop, nu gaze

[@squilliam6001]

Nahhhhh the eternal worm came back for connecticut 💀💀😭😭😭

[@pranakhan]

This is why whenever someone corrects the tag of the metal I'm listening to, I say; "Huh, oh, ok". I can't be bothered to worry about things like that, since I don't have to walk into a record store any more and figure out where the band that I want is

[@maryfreegirl2029]

1:55 HOLY SHT OOMF IN A FANTANO VIDEO

[@patrick05Morgan]

W

[@ZaTheLean]

No way one of the most goated AOTY users ever commented

[@maryfreegirl2029]

@@ZaTheLean im flattered 😊😊

[@mthrfckrrdmr]

not slick at all bro ti ho visto su aoty

[@maryfreegirl2029]

@@mthrfckrrdmr mi vedono tutti su aoty sono famosa 😎😎😎😎

[@downcreluxe]

I so feel this! Tbh, I get frustrated when people try to define something in terms of it fitting into some box, music is continuous and analog!

[@FrogmanCometh]

Yeah, I decided to take a big step back from "music discourse" after I recently saw someone getting reemed for referring to a "dream pop" album as "shoegaze." Attempting to categorize music with the most fine tooth comb possible doesn't make you smart, it just makes you tedious!

[@elfrangofrito]

A Quick One Before the Eternal Worm Devours Connecticut is beautiful and I love it

[@POVShotgun]

Deathconsciousness is just pure depression.

[@Bojoschannel]

Despair and arrowheads

[@POVShotgun]

@ I just like to imagine arrows blocking out the sun before they release me

[@gsp2oo6x]

10:45 love you too

[@13StJimmy]

Deathconsciousness is Deathconsciousness Nothing more nothing less It is a perfect album. One of the best post 2000s album

[@chrishedges9378]

People are attaching so much of their identity to the aesthetic of being a Listener of specific genres that they'd rather gatekeep those genre labels instead of critically and honestly engaging with the music they claim to love so much.

[@highrum2604]

LETS ARGUE: We should stop arguing

[@mgm8255]

And be friends and kissing each other...

[@thehousecat93]

What if we kissed in Marat’s bathtub 👉👈

[@michaeledwards6683]

simple: it’s *THE FLENSER*

[@jacksonmasco]

"this was never considered shoegaze until zoomers!!!" * laughs in The Big Gloom *

[@tozoku34]

PLEASE REVIEW DEATHCONSCIOUSNESS FANTANO!!! i love watching your videos and especially ones where you talk about shoegaze cuz its such a special genre to me.

[@thesensiblesocialist]

I feel like modern shoegaze is more of a production style than an actual genre. It may have started out as a pedal heavy kind of a indie rock but it's ballooned into such a diverse cross section of bands and artists that it no longer contains the same elements (even the same instruments) as it used to.

[@828dub]

Give the people what they deserve: a full review!

[@moselaw2]

Also, being upset at the shoegaze identifier for having such a wide net cast is hilarious when you then go on to call it Post-Punk which I argue is an even WIDER net.

[@SoleZelf]

If you do love this record, Giles Corey is equally on the same playing field I think, made by the same guy.

[@hystich875]

Rare giles corey comment ❤

[@cadaverputridum]

Also Black Wing is one of his projects too, more electronic but still a great listen. I recommend.

[@dantekiwi7926]

its also made by dan barret and has a fantano review unlike deathconsiousness

[@lileas1468]

people having to put everything in a box is so annoying. music becomes easier to digest when u box it in but it doesnt become easier to decipher or enjoy. music knows no boundaries

[@ruko944]

anthony you're dressed like a bisexual barista and we're here for it.

[@RickJaeger]

I was thinking Devo seaman

[@PC-ni6bp]

Deathconsciousness' genre is... good

[@myautobiographyafanfic1413]

Gatekeeping Shoegaze is particularly interesting because the only Shoegaze bands worth listening too would vehemently say they're not shoegaze.

[@POVShotgun]

I gatekeep labeling shoegaze bands as shoegaze bands

[@myautobiographyafanfic1413]

@POVShotgun I think I should delete my comment. I think gatekeeping is wonderful actually

[@POVShotgun]

@@myautobiographyafanfic1413 sorry I am gatekeeping writing comments and then deleting them as well. I might gatekeep gatekeep too. Feeling kinda cute

[@simong7390]

This is a rap album.

[@leeborocz-johnson1649]

Fantano it's time to get thatistheplan back up and running.

[@kayfimt7769]

Dude before you were born, people were murdering each other over whether Kiss were “metal”.

[@maxlap7855]

The music situation is crazy

[@ShadeCandle]

I've never heard of this, but sounds like it would be up my alley. From the description so far I'm expecting maybe something in between Mount Eerie and Daughters. We'll see how that prediction pans out...

[@wingoshack]

I forgot about this album... I would say "post-rock" is the first thing that comes to mind for me but it could 100% be called shoegaze too

[@jakeasterisk]

anthony is completely right in this video. also look at reviews of the album at the time and sure enough they mention shoegaze.

[@will.davlin]

socks to bed = only thing in life you need to feel content etc🟩😅😮😢😢🎉

[@Lazt_Puns]

PaRappa the Melon is flabbergasted

[@hankwicklund2182]

Seeing this band live was ridiculously cathartic

[@27_productions]

No Retigga

[@srijanbhattacharyya6859]

DUDE YES THIS RECORD HAS BEEN SO SO GOOD. I've been guilty of obsessing over it in private but I love it so much man

[@444Nightshade]

LET'S ARGUE. STOP ARGUING. YOU'RE SENDING ME MIXED MESSAGES TONY

[@TheLonelyFuture1]

Deathconsciousness is one of those rare 10/10 albums. Not surprised it filters people. Just like loveless.

[@haley_th]

Literally only listened to this album bc the cover art was a painting I had studied a lot while getting my art history degree. (1793 painting titled “Death of Marat” by Jacques-Louis David, Marat was a friend of David and an influential figure during the French Revolution. He had a sever skin condition which led him to soaking in oatmeal baths while he did his writing. During one of those baths he was stabbed to death by the widow of a man who had been beheaded during the revolution. I don’t remember if Marat was part of the Jacobins however. )

[@juanmatias5932]

In response to the tweet (which if not intended bait, in spirit it most certainly is) and the ideas of genres in general: Genres are things for us consumers of music, they’re meant to be a sort of sign post that indicates that this album falls, within some perspective, into this certain category (due to its sound, historical context, lyrics, etc). Although it can be a bit vertigo-inducing if you just stare at this absolute skyscraper of genres, that a site like RYM can be, it’s also mostly an extremely comforting thing when you listen to an album, love it, go to RYM, see a genre that defines some of the main contributing factors in you liking the album, and then exploring said genre’s albums. It’s a hell of a treat. So yeah, there’s a lot of genres and they’re certainly not perfect, but their purpose is there and it’s great, i like it quite a bit

[@ethanschule5524]

main character syndrome

[@metal6948]

Been listening to deathconciousness on loop since the election results

[@clivemaybe]

Post punk bracket when

[@thunder____]

Anthony Fontano: “let's argue!” Also Anthony Fontano: “STOP ARGUING!!!”

[@saladsauce5932]

HOLY HELL IVE BEEN OBSESSED WITH THIS ALBUM THE WHOLE YEAR

[@304Dolo]

Doomgaze 😂😂😂 more like Zoomgaze

[@GonzoCiosain]

I saw them at A Strange Day Fest in Olympia many years ago and helped set up equipment for the show. Dan Barrett is by far the nicest well-known musician I've ever met.

[@somnambulist83]

Oh, man, you made me miss 2009-12-era /mu/ way too hard

[@leoperez8852]

wow you articulate yourself so well, im learning so much about music because of you thank you.

[@rioroj]

I think genres are a good way to at least find some common ground around many albums that people can share and find core elements with those genres, but I fully agree with post-punk seen as more of a time period in music as well as an album can give so many unique experiences. Deathconsciousness is one of my favorite albums of all time but it’s one of the few pieces of art that stands alone in its character and presentation (and the very effective way it can make me feel bad about any day I have)

[@Bbinkee]

How the hell are we supposed to enjoy music if we can't even place it in a very specific box!?

[@miguelixion7262]

thank you death consciousness for all the corecore and gamer comic tiktoks

[@brutus_the_guy8257]

I’ll never argue with you again melon please forgive me

[@segnoggin]

My best friend wont shut up about this album please make them stop

[@ComposerKuandohan]

When I was really into shoegaze and I wanted to listen to every “groundbreaking” band in the genre, outside of my bloody valinetine, slowdive, and ride, a LOT of the shoegaze bands that came out of the late 90s just sounded like straight up grunge with reverb turned up. It’s still good music, it’s just sometimes sub-genres are getting their particulars ironed out, or the genre became more defined as time went on. Like seriously, if you listen to shoegaze for any amount of time past the greats, get ready to hear a lot of grunge riffs and vocals.

[@victorlorfray6080]

I'm definitely part of these people who obsess way too much over this album but ehhh i'm glad to hear a youtuber like you talk about it :)

[@EdventureChannel]

Hearing Fantano talk about how he used to browse /mu/ again and have discussions on there made me flashback to early 2010s when he still had hair.

[@HoraceKock]

Deathconciousness being brought up for no reason? I’m game

[@ashdog9235]

0:06 Gods. I’m so sorry that happened to you. I hope you recover quickly..

[@Nekoshii_]

OOMF MENTIONED 😭😭😭

[@quazarstars637]

In all seriousness it's obviously industrial

[@RAWBACON99]

Sudden high realization we the audience are, Anthony’s parents fighting too much 0:35

[@t1ckin73]

I saw them live and their pedal boards were insane. Also got a very awkward picture with the front man Dan Barret.

[@jazzblasterrr]

I’m glad these discussions are still happening. The freaks live on.

[@sherriegonzalez8067]

It’s CONNECTI-CORE.

[@winky3]

hey everyone, a quick one beforethany the eternal worm devours connecticutano here. I like being pegged by the way

[@miguelixion7262]

not shoegaze??? i don't know about you but i gaze at my shoes listening to Earthmover.

[@wilmeraderbertflorezlopez6991]

It's something new I have never heard before. Unlabeled, we don't have any words for it

[@YokaiGotha]

Hot take: there are way too many sub genre terms. I know every album is unique and new sounds are always being created but im not trying to memorize a billion different sub-definitions in order to define the music im listening to like its the damn Mogai of music.

[@LiminalVegas]

It's funny because Lush often gets lumped with shoegaze, and Miki Berenyi said in an interview that she didn't think the band really fell in that category. Recall a lot of discussions about how to categorize bands in the 90, especially bands like Tortoise. Then there was Freak Folk. I imagine a lot times it's easier for other people to have to think about.

[@calsipher]

lets gooo deathcon discourse

[@camxan8464]

Fantano reminds me of going to the food hall in college my freshman year.

[@gustman17]

Jesu mentioned Also doomgaze is a genre, there are good artists there like Remina and the latest Pallbearer Deathgaze is something that will probably be more developed in a few years