Streaming over 7 Internet Connections? Bonding with Teradek Vidiu and Sharelink

I'll demonstrate 7-way channel bonding to create an ultra-reliable Internet connection for live streaming with my Teradek Vidiu using their Sharelink service.
* This technique does not work with the Vidiu X! Only VidiU Go and Pro *
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[@JurrevanHerwijnen]

I've been watching video's over the past month or so from over the years.. and the difference between then and now is huge. The information was always great, which is why I kept watching more. But you can tell you're much more comfortable on camera.

[@djp_video]

It sure helps having a space with lighting, cameras, and audio already pre-configured and ready to go

[@JurrevanHerwijnen]

@@djp_video You often talk about the tools you use, and how you use them. But I don't think you have a video on how you prepare and setup for your average event. How/where you set up when you get to a location, decisions like camera placement, Audio in general ( Because you have shown equipment and mentioned you usually only do one or the other ), preparing event specific graphics and video content and how/if you actually plan ahead before and during an event. What do you expect from clients/events when planning and what should be important to always keep in mind. Kind of a rundown from setup process, the running the actual event and then taking things down and preparing for the next client/event. Because I know there are enough people that would like to know more about your workflow, since you've been doing them for years. And there are no doubt a lot of things you learned the hard way.

[@djp_video]

@@JurrevanHerwijnen Point taken, and I'll put some thought into covering more of these types of things. These days I am doing quite a number of behind-the-scenes videos, but they're only available to Members and Patreon supporters.

[@gravitymediapro]

Thank you - so very cool of you to share this. The cell phone “trick” is beyond cool. No more “You’ve used 1GB of your XGB of Hotspot Data” click away as the stream goes. I very much appreciate you taking the time to share your wisdom.

[@MattGrover]

Great video! Did not know about the access point “trick” will have to try that with my VidiUGo.

[@juri14111996]

There is an other trick: increase the TTL. the TTL Value of an ethernet packet gets reduced by 1 at every router. this way an ethernet packet will not be redirect forever. your provider uses this to know if the data comes from your phone or a connected device in hotspot mode. In Hotspot mode your phone acts as a Router, recuding the ttl of each packet coming from your pc by one. you just need to set ttl to 65 (default is 64)

[@MattGrover]

@@juri14111996 I'm not following, what's the impact of this?

[@juri14111996]

@@MattGrover your provider uses the TTL value of each data packet comin from your smartphone to apply "normal Cost" or "Hotspot Cost" (seeh en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_to_live Section IP). Normally every packets starts with a TTL value of 64, each hop reduces this value by one. This way your isp knows if the packet was coming from your smartphone or a device behind your smartphone. If you use a Laptop with your phone Hotspot set TTL on your Laptop to 65, so by the time a packet from your laptop leaves your phone it locks the same as if it was sent by your phone.

[@TheNielsRufChannel]

@@juri14111996 where exactly do i change this?

[@XeloPerez]

Increíble trabajo. Muchas gracias amigo Doug. Un abrazo desde Santiago de Chile (Latin-America).

[@essentialdissent]

One thing not made clear in this video is that you must pay for outbound data (from the Sharelink server) for EACH destination you stream to. So for example if your stream totals 3GB of outbound data to one destination, and you stream to 4 destinations, you must pay for 12GB. I'm not saying this is a bad thing or unfair, just something to be aware of. Teradek's fees are reasonable. I've had a VidiU Go for almost 2 years now and have had really good luck with it. In fact, I just bought a second one. Also, I like to use the Node modems and Telna SIMS that can be ordered with the Go, because I then pay no monthly line access fees. I pay only when I use data.

[@essentialdissent]

PS: This was a very informative video.

[@RichardsWorld]

You are a very well connected man.

[@diegogh_velez]

Gracias por el review! Thanks for the review, I have recently bought one of this, in order to avoid connectivity issues

[@BrianRheaCommunications]

Very well done. I have this modem and love it!

[@shanehochstetler798]

The access point feature is a game changer...

[@juri14111996]

no. not realy. i use a open source bonding router (openmptcprouter.com) i can just create a roule to increase the TTL value of outgoing packets, so i only have to pay for "phone data"

[@Calvarydima]

So cool you speak so fast I don’t have to play your videos 1,5. I like that .

[@djp_video]

It isn't normally considered a good thing. I try to slow down, but often forget

[@Calvarydima]

@@djp_video actually it’s a good thing

[@AVANTIMODATV]

Great video! Very informative!!! Quick question... I just bought a Vidiu X... and the same ZTE usb modem that you have in your video this week. Is there something special that you have to do to get the modem to work? I plug it in... and after a couple minutes the LED turns from red to green... so I am assuming the modem has found its signal ok. But... on the Vidiu X interface... the modem does shows up... but there is no connection activity. No data packets are being passed and the little status dot stays yellow on the interface web page. Both the Wired and Wireless dots are green... and both show that data is moving thru them. But nothing is happening with the modem. Does it have to be setup first or something. I have the fields in the modem setup set to auto (that was the default). I haven't configured any usernames or passwords etc. My cellular carrier for the modem is T-Mobile. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you so much.

[@djp_video]

When the ZTE modem connects to the internet the light will turn blue. You can test it by plugging it into a computer. And then make any necessary configuration changes in its web interface.

[@livestreamtt9283]

Great info, so details . Thanks so much.

[@didier.lemiere]

Hi Doug, Would you recommend the X or the Go? Of course they both have their pros and cons. my requirements are to have bonding (which they both can do), stream to multiple platforms (which they both can do) and to record, (again, which they both can do via SD cards).The HDMI vs SDI isn't an issue for me as converters can be used to downgrade to HDMI if required, however do you believe the benefit of more signals to be bonded is worth buying the Go over the X? In Australia the cost is approximately an extra $1500 to purchase the Go. A big cost just to get more signals, although it can be argued it is cheaper than losing a stream. What are your thoughts?

[@djp_video]

You can do three simultaneous connections with the Vidiu X: Wired ethernet, WiFi through a cell phone, and a USB modem. Going to the Go would get you four connections over WiFi, and 2 over USB, but the number of times that you'd need that many connections isn't likely to be very high. I don't think I've ever run more than three, except to demo in this video. The other difference is that the Go has an internal battery, if that is something that matters to you

[@didier.lemiere]

@@djp_video Thanks for the quick reply, Doug. The extra USB connection would definitely be beneficial, but as you say, using more than 3 connections is a rare occurrence. For $1500, to go for the X and having to purchase an SDI to HDMI converter, it seems a much better option than using the Go. Food for thought. Thanks for your feedback as always!

[@briansanning4888]

Can you do the cell phone trick with the X?

[@johnmckinney4128]

Would you recommend a signal boost device with this as well in remote locations?

[@djp_video]

Perhaps, as needed.

[@buildingsheriff]

Hey Doug. Does the 5.2mbps limit affect HD video in any way? ie is KZbin happy with this? My streams tend to be 5-7mbps. Thanks in advance.

[@djp_video]

I've sent higher (7-9) bitrates to KZbin many times without issue.

[@HackingHollywood]

That’s super cool!

[@dennisroth4386]

Thank you so much for this video 🙂 so I don't need a live u solo decoder . I can do it this way for live twitch streaming

[@gedzorz]

Hi Doug, we use a Vidiu-X and have been experiencing a couple stressful issues. I'm curious if you've ever experienced them as well. We always stream through Sharelink to take advantage of network bonding. Occasionally Sharelink will suddenly lose connection to the Vidiu, which of course stops the stream. This happened the other day and the vidiu was still showing "live" on the screen, which sharelink was showing nothing. It's super stressful and we're starting to feel like we have to babysit the sharelink screen to make sure it's connected. The other issue we see all the time is the vidiu stopping the stream when switching from a static, full screen graphic to a camera angle. The bitrate goes through the roof and the stream just turns off. We can go live again right away, but something must be wrong here. We switched from using an ATEM mini to encode to the Teradek for reliability but it seems waaaaay more flaky than the ATEM products we own. Maybe we just got a bad unit? Firmware is all up to date etc. Thanks again for all the time you put into this channel!

[@djp_video]

I haven't seen those exact symptoms before. What is your connection bandwidth compared to your VidiU's configured bitrate? You should have at least a 2:1 ratio between the two, preferably 3:1. You might consider lowering the bitrate and/or turning the Adaptive Bitrate option on/off to see if it behaves any better for you. You can also adjust the buffer time on Sharelink to allow more time for data to make it from the VidiU to Sharelink. The default value is 4 seconds which is fine when you have a really consistent and reliable connection, but you might need to increase this otherwise. Cutting between shots does create a big spike in the amount of data required to encode the signal -- everything on-screen is changing so it has to rebuild the entire picture rather than being able to describe the handful of changes between frames. So you need to set your target bitrate accordingly -- it is an average, not an upper limit.

[@gedzorz]

@@djp_video Thanks for the quick reply. You're the man. I spoke with support at Teradek when I first noticed this issue and they suggested turning off Adaptive Bitrate. We now typically stream at 2.5MBps at 720P to be safe. We usually have at least a 3:1 ratio, but it's hard to know exactly with the three bonded connections. I didn't know about the Sharelink buffer setting. I'll have to search for that. I'm happy to hear that you haven't experienced these issues since you've been using Vidiu encoders for so long. It gives me hope ;) Thanks again!

[@HackingHollywood]

You may want to add the sim card modem from ZTE in the description as a link.

[@alvinburrell]

Hey Doug, I purchased the ViduiX based on this; and that bonding you demo'ed here doesn't work. You can only bond 1 cellular device to the Vidiu X. Apparently this will be added in future firmware. I guess I'll be returning my Vidui x :-(

[@djp_video]

Right. The ability to use 4 cellular isn't available out of the box on the X model. I'm demoing the capabilities of the VidiU Go here, or what the X will receive after they release that update.

[@TeachDem]

I Just want a simple device where I can bond two different carriers and Wifi or ethernet connection if possible, for mobile, run and gun streaming. Nothing overly, technical or complicated

[@eventscanberra]

Hi Doug, Interesting video. Thanks for explaining everything. Do you think any modem will work with USB. I checked in the Teredek website. They have listed few modems but they are not available to purchase in Australia. In Australia we have Huawei Modem. What is the modem you used in this video. I mean Model and the number. Thanks a Lot

[@djp_video]

The VidiUs are pretty picky about which USB modems will work. The one I'm using is the ZTE MF833V.

[@eventscanberra]

@@djp_video Hi Doug, Thanks for the information. It worked. Actually my Netgear M2 and Netgear M5 both modems can be connected via USB. Thats awesome. Also I can confirm that not we can connect multiple cellular connections to VidiuX. So we can connect upto six connections.

[@razorgreen101]

Hi Doug! Great info, super informative. I just purchased the vidiu x and will look into getting the ZTE modem for t-mobile. How much data do you have for the modem? I also have a wifi hotspot when certain locations don't have wifi. Do you think this is enough to livestream weddings? I currently use camlink with OBS but want something a little more stable (especially with the network bonding!)

[@djp_video]

The amount of data varies based on what bitrate you use. For example, streaming at 2 mbps will use about 1 GB of data per hour. Please keep in mind that currently the Vidiu X will only allow you to connect one phone via WiFi at a time. The software update that is supposed to allow multiple WiFi devices has not been released yet.

[@obulorolisa]

Thanks for sharing

[@benratradingenterprise9881]

I'm in south Africa where can I get it ?

[@youtubeshootvillaproduction]

Hello Friend I have using teradek cube 655 I want use network bond I’m from india please suggest for about that

[@djp_video]

You'll have to setup a Core account with Teradek and link the Cube to it. Once you've done that you'll be able to use multiple connections to stream.

[@fkmobile1]

Thanks! Great information :). Can the bonded internet connection from Vidiu+Sharelink be used for my laptop internet needs as well?

[@djp_video]

No; it's only for video streaming.

[@juri14111996]

for this you need a bonding router. i use openmptcprouter.com i pay 5$ a month for a cheap VPS, get 1TB of traffic

[@fkmobile1]

@@juri14111996 Thanks!! Are there any hosted / managed services like this?

[@juri14111996]

@@fkmobile1 no, bot there is a one command install script ready. pick a vps hosting near you.

[@RoyExplores]

Can I use the bonding capabilities of this or a similar device while streaming directly from my phone?

[@djp_video]

This device is a video encoder. It doesn't provide internet access for any other devices. It can only transmit video that it encodes, and that can only be sent to Teradek servers to then be redistributed to streaming sites.

[@RoyExplores]

@@djp_video Thank you for the quick reply.

[@dannypgrizzle]

I need to stream hours at a time from remote rural locations, hoping to stream log home construction. I was looking at Mushroom Networks for 4 channels of bonding. Teradek was the early leader in streaming, so I'm paying attention here, but to use this solution, I would likely buy a bunch of Android phones to saturate the WiFi connection, but this solution seems awfully kludgy and time consuming to setup and manage on location. I would likely need to dedicate an employee just to monitor the cell phone connections and connection stability.

[@djp_video]

If you're looking for something more turn-key, look at the Teradek Bond.

[@juri14111996]

if you have some time to thinker: openmptcprouter.com add a Firewall roule to increasse TTL, this saves you the "hotspot Data"

[@CarlSMiller]

I just received my Vidiu-X, seems you can't use cell data via access point mode. It only works in client mode. Not sure if this is an intentional feature omission from teradek, or them just prematurely releasing a product without all its features ready.

[@djp_video]

It seems that this feature is coming later on the X.

[@CarlSMiller]

@@djp_video Woa speedy reply Doug! Privy to any inside scoop info on ETA? I emailed support but still waiting to hear back.

[@djp_video]

I don't know anything more than you do.

[@jeffersonpichinte3910]

Bandwidth with friends!

[@ksspguam]

good video

[@kevincopeland]

When using only phones for streaming, what are the best practices for the phones so calls and texts don't interrupt?

[@djp_video]

Just don't leave the VidiU app and you should be fine.

[@SteveVickAK]

When it is in access mode can you still connect to local Wi-Fi or does it just work with phones?

[@djp_video]

In Access Point mode it only connects to phones. (Or more technically, phones connect to it)

[@Aharon_I]

At the beginning of the video you said that you do not have to pay a subscription to share link for making vidiu go ti work, how can vidiu go work without subscripion?

[@djp_video]

ShareLink is not required to use the VidiU to stream directly to services like KZbin, Twitch, etc. But if you do want to use ShareLink to enable the bonding or it’s other features you do need to pay for that service. They have a pay-as-you-go plan without a monthly fee if you don’t stream very often, but if you do their other plans probably make more sense.

[@i360MediaInc]

Looking to move my encoder from Atem to VidiuX, bit skeptical about the issues people have raised in the comments, most one came from 2 years ago. I hope the performance has been stable for production. I won't be using the bonding feature everytime. So can I rely on this as my encoder? Been testing this for hours and haven't noticed any issue, just curios if this can be relied on for paid gig.

[@djp_video]

I've been using the VidiU encoders for years. They haven't been completely flawless, but every encoder option I've tried has had some problem at some point in time. Most of the time it has been a problem with a back-end bonding server, but I've always been able to get around it by switching to the server in another region. When streaming directly without using the bonding services, you've got to make sure you've got a rock solid Internet connection. The VidiUs will give up trying if they encounter problems with the Internet connection for very long. But if you're using the bonding service that doesn't happen unless all of your connections go down.

[@i360MediaInc]

@@djp_video Thanks for the response. Additionally, how do one maintain a consistent phone link? I realized, once you leave the app page, you have to reconnect. Not probably my use case. I will preferably use it in Client mode. but like I said its testing time.

[@kclobaugh]

I recently purchased the Vidiu X and attempted the bonding you outline here using cell phones for added upload streams. However, the Vidiu app doesn't seem to appear the same as you show. There is no option to 'link' the phone to utilize it for upload assistance. Has this changed, is this a limitation of the Vidiu X, or am I missing something?

[@djp_video]

The VidiU X doesn't currently have this functionality. Teradek has hinted that it is coming, but we don't know when.

[@MattRandallProductions]

@@djp_video Teradek's website says the vidiu x can bond over 7 devices. Given the box only has an enternet port, wifi and a single usb, then it must support it now. there's no other way to join 7 devices to it.

[@Fitzz1919]

Thanks for this video Doug it’s great! What solutions do you use when you need to run multiple streams from one location? Just two Teradeks or is there a more cost effective solution?

[@djp_video]

Yes. Multiple encoders is the way to go.

[@Fitzz1919]

@@djp_video thanks for the speedy response buddy. Appreciate the help!

[@youtubak777]

You said that your provider limits how much data can you share using the hotspot on your phone... My provider does not do that so I don't really care, but the real question is: *How does the provider know that you are sharing you connection?* Your phone is NATting all the traffic, so for outside world it looks like the traffic is coming from your phone... The only theoretical way I can think of is using the TTL which is usually not reset by NAT. But that seems really unreliable because because every device can have the TTL set differently and I could easily bypass that just by telling the phone to reset the TTL on all of the packets... So how do they detect it?

[@djp_video]

It isn't hard. The TTL is the most common way. TTL values from hotspot-connected devices are usually 1 lower than from the direct connection. But there are other ways that are used as well. For example, each operating system (iOS, Android, Windows, macOS, etc.) has unique ways of forming IP packets and TCP connections that's easy to detect. And most operating systems these days will check to see if a connection provides Internet access by pinging a specific server somewhere when they first connect (to detect when a sign-in page is present, like at hotels).

[@benm2918]

Awesome video! Thanks :) Can you add external aerials to any of the devices to get a stronger 4G connectivity?

[@djp_video]

Not to any of the devices shown. Look for my video on my MoFi Network 4500 device for one that does.

[@juri14111996]

i recommend 4G/5G Hotspots and a bonding router, where you can modify the TTL value, so you just pay "Mobile Data" instead of "Hotspot Data"

[@phcphcphc]

Can you go on location and set everything up, including the bonding with a USB stick and a phone without an external pc/monitor. With just the buildt in display or maybe a phone as interface ?

[@djp_video]

Yes. All of the configuration is done in a web browser and can be done from a phone.

[@tangaikaw3482]

Hi Doug how are you, I have had Teradek Vidiu Pro for 4 years last 2 years I did not use coz of the covid issue .. now i try to use n connect with FB but its shows an error. can you help me to solve this issue please Thanks

[@djp_video]

Facebook requires that incoming data be encrypted using RTMPS rather than RTMP. It can still be done with the VidiU Pro, but you'll have to stream through Sharelink to pull it off. The CPU in the VidiU Pro isn't fast enough to do the encryption itself.

[@shaunbrickell2215]

Hey Doug, is there anyway to bond 2 or 3 Ethernet connections? Often we find that a good LTE modem will achieve much faster and more stable connections than phones and being able to connect these LTE modems through cable seems to be a better option than using WiFi? Many thanks for all the great content on your channel.

[@djp_video]

The instructions say that SOME USB to Ethernet adapters will work, but it doesn't specify which ones. And I haven't explored that to find out for sure.

[@djp_video]

I just tried all of my various USB to Ethernet adapters and only one of them worked... the Linksys USB300M, which is a rather old model at this point. None of the others registered with the Vidiu at all.

[@juri14111996]

why not use a bonding router? you can build your own if you have 1-2h of free time. openmptcprouter.com is the router firmware i use. with each bonding solution you need a service to actually send the data out to youtube, ... . i use a cheap VPS server, costs 5$ for 1TB/month

[@JerryHandy]

Which sim would you recommend for the Vidiu Go nodes? Do you have to pay data for bonding and for the sim?

[@djp_video]

You'll have to research and find out who has the best coverage and data rates in your area and where you'll be streaming from. Sharelink and cellular data are separate and are billed as such.

[@JerryHandy]

@@djp_video thanks

[@ksspguam]

thanks.

[@thesmashtvnetwork]

can you use 3 wifi or usb lan cable over ahub with bonding i have 2 hotspots that have true unlimted

[@djp_video]

You can do one Ethernet, 2 USB, and 1 WiFi. And for the USB to work the hotspots have to look like a supported USB modem. And this only works on the Vidiu Go -- the other models don't support that many connections. And, you should also be aware that the Vidiu line has been discontinued. It's still supported, but no longer sold.

[@thesmashtvnetwork]

@djp_video so will 4 usb ether net cable work or say 4 usb wifi kit

[@djp_video]

No. There are 2 USB ports on the Vidiu Go, and the modems have to be connected directly -- no hubs. So you're limited to 2 USB connections. I have found one USB-to-Ethernet adapter that works --- the ancient Linksys USB300M. Nothing newer that I've tried has worked.

[@thesmashtvnetwork]

@djp_video have you try usb c hub with ethernet wirh converter all one I own use Realtek chip set

[@djp_video]

I don’t think it would work. The user interface in the VidiU only has places to setup 2 USB modems

[@Calvarydima]

I have just ordered a used LiveU solo 3 yo device but they still work well . Do you have a comparison video ? It would be neat to get pros and cons if you share them from your professional point of view . Small vidiu x are cheaper and they do bonding as well . Any takes ?

[@djp_video]

I've used the LiveU Solo before, but I don't own one and don't have enough experience to speak with any authority on it. The main reason I don't have one is the monthly fee.

[@Calvarydima]

@@djp_video yes I agree. What is the sharelink cloud options ?

[@djp_video]

Go to sharelink.tv/ and click on Pricing. (I don't want to quote it here as it is subject to change)

[@pahos6969]

Hey Doug, does the Vidiu Go provide redundancy using RTMP/S and NOT the sharelink or Core cloud, ie pull out the ethernet and automatically the usb or wifi will continue to stream?

[@djp_video]

You can have multiple connections, but I’m not 100% sure what happens when the primary goes down. I’ve never attempted that.

[@pahos6969]

@@djp_video Just given back the Vidiu X as its not for a PRO user. You cant change the Profile Main to Baseline etc, unit keeps dropping out and so I loose the stream. The deinterlacing is set to ON and cannot be turned off yet the unit WILL NOT deinterlace the stream. Had a massive outage on Sharelink in the middle of my broadcast to England (Horse and Country) no email notification that work will be commencing and Teradek do NOT have a redundant (on AWS) server which means, IM OFF THE AIR for the entire time.. Sorry frustrated customer here, but I did like that then Vidiu X had the ability to kick over to anoth internet source if 1 died using RTMP/S.

[@djp_video]

I would expect all encoders to stop the stream at least temporarily if you change the encoding settings. Many destinations wouldn't like this either.

[@pahos6969]

@@djp_video No No, it stops on its own. The bloody thing stops without anyone touching anything. I had a replacement (brand new) the same thing occurs. Very Very buggy unit. Just ordered the GO, fingers crossed.

[@djp_video]

I've seen under some circumstances my encoder stop. But it has always been in situations where upload bandwidth is constrained. You really need a reliable connection with at least 3 times the upload bitrate consistently available.

[@juri14111996]

opmtcprouter does bonding for free, you just need an server or vps with a public ip (i pay 5$ for my VPS, including 1TB traffic per month. and i dont need to pay extra for "hotspot-Data", i can just increase the TTL value.

[@djp_video]

You can't modify the TTL values of video encoding devices like the Vidiu or LiveU Solo though.

[@juri14111996]

@@djp_video you sure can, just not directly on the device, but one the router or firewall, in this case on the openmptcprouter.

[@gamingwithbat5360]

i need only internet modem guide

[@gl6428]

Is it possible to use the vidiu with a yolobox pro?

[@djp_video]

Yes. Connect the Yolobox Pro's HDMI output to the HDMI input of the VidiU.

[@ypdrew]

Any idea if the Vidiu X allows for multiphone (not hoptspot) bonding similar to what you did here with the Go?

[@djp_video]

Not currently. It is allegedly supposed to come in a future firmware update.

[@djmokomaki]

Looking for same feature, hopefully this feature will be added soon

[@tonyrushing180]

Hey Doug, are you still using this device?

[@djp_video]

Yes

[@NadunDissanayake]

Hi anyone, I have a question. I'm using OBS to add logo, name card..etc. But this equipment sends video data directly to the cloud. So How can I do OBS things with this situation ?

[@djp_video]

If you wanted to use the VidiU or similar hardware, you'd need to get OBS to output the signal to an HDMI port. Alternatively you can do something similar with software, like Speedify.

[@NadunDissanayake]

@@djp_video Thank you

[@MattRandallProductions]

* This technique does not work with the Vidiu X! Only VidiU Go and Pro * Which technique exactly are you talking about sorry? the network channel bonding? or the adding mulitple phones using the vidiu go as an access point and then linking phones?

[@djp_video]

I was referring to the number of connections. The X is much more limited in terms of the number of simultaneous connections it can support. It can only do one USB modem, for example. And I still haven't gotten confirmation from anyone that you can connect multiple cell phones simultaneously either like I did here in this video with my Go.

[@MattRandallProductions]

@@djp_video thanks doug. What I want to do is run a 4g router, connect the Ethernet port to the vidiu x’s Ethernet port and then connect a phone using a usb cable and run it like a modem. And share those two. Should that work?

[@djp_video]

I don't believe phone-over-USB is supported -- at least it hasn't worked with the devices I've tried. What I did find was that some USB-to-Ethernet adapters are supported, so you can technically use Ethernet with your router rather than WiFi, leaving the WiFi to connect to your phone. The USB adapter I had the best luck with is the Linksys USB300M. It's an older 10/100 model but it is still readily available if you look around a bit.

[@usaintltrade]

😎🥇👍

[@jameslouviere7094]

Me again. Thanks so much for your time. I've watched your videos on the mofi 450 and the teradek go and x. Re mofi, I get that it can handle multiple cellular connections (which is important to me), but how does it connect to vimeo? Can mofi use sharelink or another bonding platform, or it doesn't need to? Re teradek vidiu x, can it only handle 1 usb, 1 ethernet and 1 wifi, or can it handle multiple wifi?

[@djp_video]

The MoFi is just a cellular radio. It provides Internet access. It doesn't know or care about what type of content is being sent or received. The VidiU X currently only accepts one WiFi client, despite what Teradek promised when it was released.

[@jameslouviere7094]

@@djp_video so are you saying that I can connect to vimeo with this alone? and use my computer (livestream studio) to generate the necessary code and then connect out the back of my computer rj45 into the mofi? that would be splendid if true :)

[@jameslouviere7094]

to say it another way, the mofi 4500 is just a router and an internet connection, but not an encoder? so how do you (doug johnson) upload a livestream? you have to process through an encoder then to the mofi? and then to a cloud based bonding service that can then send on to vimeo, or not to vimeo, but to youtube or another service? finally, can I encode inside my computer with livestream studio, then out through my rj45 into mofi, then on to vimeo, or if not to vimeo, to another streaming service? Hope I'm using the right terms. thanks again.

[@djp_video]

I use a Teradek VidiU Go, OBS, or a Blackmagic Web Presenter to encode the video for KZbin, Vimeo, Facebook, or whichever other platform(s) we're using. Those devices connect to an Ethernet network, which either provides Internet access using a venue's Internet connection, my MoFi, a USB modem, cellphone, or some combination thereof.

[@jameslouviere7094]

@@djp_video Last question I promise: Livestream studio software has a built in encoder. does the mofi have its own ip address? (I think vimeo can only receive the encode from one internet connection, which is why, I seem to understand, that some service like LRT or sharelink or core is necessary), such that I can go straight into the mofi with the outputted encoded signal from LS studio, via ethernet, or I need to ask Vimeo? It seems they only work with a bonding service in the cloud, such as LRT, sharelink, etc. thanks again

[@jasonctsa]

Is link aggregation (LAGG) (for example done on pfsense) or software service like Speedify similarly reliable to the the bonding done by this teradek hardware?

[@djp_video]

A LAG is something on a local area network to give additional connection bandwidth between two devices (like a computer and a switch). It doesn't apply here. Speedify is much closer to the bonding that the Vidiu is doing here. Speedify runs on a computer to give additional redundancy and higher transfer rates for software running on that computer. I've heard, though, that Speedify doesn't work well for video streaming.

[@juri14111996]

i use openmptcprouter.com works great. (if you increase TTL on outgoing packet you only pay for "phone data". this TTL Trick works for using hotspot with your laptop to.

[@jasonctsa]

@@juri14111996 thanks for the tip I will have to try.

[@AConnect06]

@@juri14111996 can you take us through that method please?

[@juri14111996]

@@AConnect06 no, it is diveren for every os, not possible on some devices. Google and reddit is your friend

[@SheaHarris]

You probably can't connect multiple wifi hotspots the way you did with the cell phones?

[@djp_video]

No. The Vidiu's WiFi radio can only connect to one hotspot. And any data used on those hotspots would count as (and be throttled like) hotspot data.

[@juri14111996]

a bonding router like opmptcprouter.com does the trick, add a firewall roule to increase TTL, and you any pay for "phone Data"

[@MattRandallProductions]

@@djp_video i note that on the vidiu x page on teradek's website says "Note: Multiple hotspot via cellular bonding will be available with a May 2021 Firmware update." However no such update is available on their website. so...

[@djp_video]

@@MattRandallProductions Yeah, it was promised a while ago. As far as I can tell it still hasn't materialized. That isn't uncommon for Teradek.

[@clubware]

Why is the preview so choppy? The stream shouldn't be that choppy.

[@djp_video]

It isn't a video preview. It is displaying select still frames of video periodically.

[@moltenpros]

Don't buy any of Teradek streaming hardware, you will regret it. It is totally unreliable. I owned the Vidiu go and had to sell it as a loss because it kept stopping the stream even though I had multiple internet connections. Check out their facebook group and you will see all the complaints. Don't make the same mistake that I made.

[@djp_video]

I’ve been using it for four years without any major issues

[@moltenpros]

@@djp_video You got to be really lucky. If you are a member of the facebook group you would see all the complaints. Check out this unbiased video about teradek vidiu vs liveu Solo by 5thingsseries kzbin.info/www/bejne/b52zen2nhKxkoJo. I now own the Solo but I bought the Teradek Vidiu Go thinking it was the better of the two. I was so wrong. After trying to stream 3 events with the Vidiu Go I gave up. The Vidiu go would stop the stream for no reason. Once I restarted the stream it worked again but then it would stop randomly again. Imagine I had to keep staring at the screen because I was so paranoid that it would stop again. It was very stressful and I thought that this device was not made for professional use. I joined the facebook group, only to see a ton of people having the same problems. If only I joined the facebook group before purchasing, I would have known better. The advice from the facebook members is to spend more money for a dedicated sputniz so that the Streaming service that teradek provides will be more reliable. When I bought the device the ads said it only needed good internet, nothing about paying more money for additional service. Even people with a dedicated sputniz are complaining about the service. I sold my Vidiu go and lost $600 in the process in the middle of a Pandemic. I told myself I would never buy another streaming device from Teradek. So even though teradek has a new device x out now. The problem is not with the device itself but the service/software the device needs to stream reliably, which in my opinion is not good at all.

[@djp_video]

I would hardly call that KZbin review unbiased. It was sponsored by LiveU. He states that in the video, and in the comments: "My thanks to LiveU for their financial support and sponsorship of this episode."

[@moltenpros]

@@djp_video I didn’t realize it was sponsored but I am not sponsored and I had the exact experience as the reviewer. I am just an average user. I am a videographer and I stream at least 3 gigs a week. Also all those others users on the Facebook group complaining about teradek are also just like me.