Horde Heroes VS Alliance Army - Warcraft 2 FIGHT CLUB

[@georgplatzer8213]

Omg the alliance mage @8:00 was MVP. He ran from top to bottom and made lots of catapults miss and even kill their own Ogre. What a hero

[@GrommiD]

This is soooo beautiful, the colors, the accurateness, WC2 is the BEST. I will watch it for centuries.

[@geminiblue6677]

Is there anywhere in wow draenor that resembles WC2 with all the brown mushrooms and green water ?

[@justinedc1077]

Pretty much none. Because the entire landscape design of WoW Outland & Draenor are completely retcons. The only thing about WoW design that is somewhat same to WC2 Draenor & WC3 Outland is Hellfire Peninsula, and even then lacked the mushroom trees because the designers move it all to Zangarmarsh. Which would only be further retcon again in WoD Draenor when it was shown that the mushroom trees were under the sea.

[@geminiblue6677]

@@justinedc1077 Totally disappointed...We never got ogres as a playable race as well. I hope it would get better now that Chris Metzen is back at Blizzard

[@justinedc1077]

@@geminiblue6677 sorry bud, we aint in the same page in that regard. Im not a fan of WoW, and I utterly hate its lore beyond reasons. Mostly about WoW lore is disappointment, awful writing, and retcons, especially about lore, and Im not just talking about modern WoW, im talking about the whole thing from the start since Vanilla. Having Metzen back wont fix anything in it. Come to think of it, Metzen also made some poor story decisions in it most especially like bullshit WoD alternate timeline time travel, retconning the concept of the LK in Wrath, and pretty much everything about Burning Crusade just to name a few.

[@Spectans1]

Bloodlust was and still is totally broken.

[@ice_fox]

They should have at least had it make the user take double damage or lose a substantial part of its life kind of like stim in starcraft.

[@Aerxis]

You are all not considering terrain. 100 ogre magi with blood lust mean nothing if they can attack one at a time, but healing still works

[@streetstroller]

@@Aerxis Yeah man decades of pro players playing mainly Orc were just not using terrain or healing right.

[@Spectans1]

@@Aerxis Oh believe me, I consider healing to be a ranged spell, and I consider ogres still winning over paladins 1 to 2, another reason to consider bloodlust being ridicuslously overpowered.

[@Aerxis]

@@streetstroller that's just because the battlenet maps were crap. Healing spell is stronger if the terrain is more obstructive, like in some of the single player missions.

[@danpan4982]

Ah the soundtrack, the voicelines...this game will always remind me of the glory days of Blizzard. Thanks for still giving it so much love!

[@XtReMz98]

Morale of this fightclub: don’t bring an axe to a ballista party.

[@Quitarstudent]

bloodlust is stil heavily favoured because of the way AI uses healing, they will use those +1,2hp heals (out of mana heals) which will interrupt their attack and in WC 2 for some reason it takes a lot of time for AI to process the next target, so its much more efficient to buff BL for half a minute then just letting ogres attack

[@wdragoner]

That last fight seemed unfair with these army values but holy crap does blizzard make a difference.

[@davidburnett5049]

The big chunk of ogres trapped inside a circle of catapults was helpful too.

[@astovar23]

And most catapults just sitting around being useless.

[@davidburnett5049]

@@astovar23 I think that was true of many of tge archers as well

[@washtubz]

Yeah I predicted this one right just cause of all the mages and I know from previous videos the AI is good with it. Hell of an orc horde though so wasn't too sure tbh.

[@CortKirven-Bobier]

Also Air units in WC2 have splash damage and will hurt their own guys.

[@antcow1239]

Hellscream is a walking screaming heavy metal album XD

[@pacerrecap6386]

As the mortal armies rush down towards their doom, the burning shadow comes to consume us all.

[@Aerxis]

Wasn't it: "rush blindly towards their doom..."

[@TheBrazilianHue]

@@Aerxis su nerd

[@povisykt]

Thats cool. Well seems like Bloodlust is way superior than healing.

[@Naugdil]

And easier to use.

[@IgorBezugliy]

Sort of a surprise for me. I've always considered healing vastly superior to bloodlust

[@fatboyjr364]

Thats why there was never a huge completive play because it was just Orc vs Orc

[@ParleLeVu]

It has always been way superior. Insanely OP. But if this was to be a perfect match, then the Paladins at the front would not heal, just get healed by the others.

[@misanthropyunhinged]

@@IgorBezugliy newb

[@beoweasel]

It doesn't matter if it's Warcraft I or Warcraft II, Raise Dead will always be useless. :V

[@aussj4link214]

Blizzard and Death and Decay is really OP against larges groups. The outcome of the last fight was easy to see when horde didn't have dks.

[@briankarcher8338]

Blizzard is the only reason Human level 12 in Dark Portal is even possible. Way too powerful of a spell.

[@ADT1995]

On the grunt vs dk fight I saw dk and I was like "yeah they don't even need the frontline, DKs just win that hands down".... Then I realized they weren't allowed to cast spells other than raise dead and I was like "nevermind, they're screwed"

[@stephennewcomb4575]

I was suprised the deathknights didnt start attacking till they got hit. however if they were able to cast raise dead during the fight they might have won.

[@MarkusRamikin]

As a kid, my first game ever was Colossus Chess on the C64. After that, for a while it was hard for my brain to grok that that *games could be unbalanced*. Bloodlust definitely did the trick.

[@Lappmogel]

Well that settles the age old ''but paladins have healing'' argument you hear from bloodlust defenders.

[@Aerxis]

I don't know, it all depends on the use case. For example 2 paladins vs 2 ogre magi, if one party uses blood lust, the other one could just run away for a while, then fight

[@Aerxis]

Also, healing is a "permanent buff". If you heal, then wait 5 minutes, then heal again, it does a lot more than blood lusting, waiting and doing it again

[@Lappmogel]

@@Aerxis lmao

[@eben3357]

@@Aerxis You seem to like to argue exceptions. Heal is great for the campaign mode, Bloodlust is better in PvP. Most players agree that Horde > Alliance on land, while Alliance > Horde at sea, due to invisibility cast on ships. Now, the problem is that while mages > dks due to polymorph, the ogre magi are more cost effective and easier to mass earlier so most PvP never develops to mages, dks, gryphons and dragons etc. Alliance upgrades are also gold intensive so that competes with mage production.

[@Aerxis]

@@eben3357 I agree with everything you said. Somewhere else I mentioned the maps have a lot to do with bloodlust being overpowered. It is not as OP on archipelagos and land maps with lots of choke points.

[@wayne0210]

Love the battle club videos keep it up reminds me of my childhood when i played those games good times

[@MegaWarrior1987]

Lol the ending. "We've won! Now let's kill ourselves! :D"

[@MrOrajm]

The instant I saw Mages in the last matchup I knew who would win. Magic OP.

[@chrispaquette7513]

4:19 Huh, that army cost half as much but still won.

[@uncleflansy5621]

I grew up with WC2, and as much as I like your starcraft videos, Warcraft 2 just hits different.

[@ManuMitra]

Thanks for mentioning me. Yes, this looks like fair fight to me for Ogre Magi and Palladins. You got one subscriber. ☺ Thanks so much.

[@vc7363]

Future history books must not miss these glorious battles by any means!

[@mofogie]

In the 90s it was a well known combo of unholy armor+ haste + death and decay = entirely dead enemy army. I dunno why but I havent seen it in the new players these days. That combo literally could destroy everything, as the enemy army encircles the casting death knight, who is invincible, who is obliterating everything in sight. I believe the only counter was polymorph. Not even sure exorcism worked.

[@CallofDutyBlackOps28]

now that you mention it; i think that's why Exorcism even exists is to just say "No" to any DK around.

[@Giviie]

Paladins seem to prioritise healing for 1 hp over dealing 10 damage

[@GundamFireStorm]

Wow! I am playing WarCraft ii again and I got every fight prediction wrong!

[@federiconahuel6997]

Honestly, the Horde army felt like football fans cheering and supporting before the fight

[@Mateuz66]

The blizzard on that last fight was so satisfying :D

[@mdmyer]

The mages seem like a pretty strong unit to have.

[@kylethomas9130]

That Paladin script was insane, reminds me how micro intensive WC2 was.

[@eddyjohantocancipamunos683]

Man you are a beast! Good video. I wonder if one day you will play Dawn of War, its a funny game

[@joeydealbuquerq]

Man the ballista thing was ridiculous whatever the outcome

[@5mwa]

4:47 the outcome is expected. The death knights should have raised the dead orcs as skeletons too!

[@StuGames]

Can't use raise dead if a unit is blocking the spot, unfortunately. You even use up the mana for the spell but don't get a skelly.

[@kburtsev]

wouldn't change much, skelies are very weak. as soon as I realized they are not going to cast death and decay it was very predictable.

[@CallofDutyBlackOps28]

the Paladin vs Ogre Mage fight just hearing the *"CHARRRRGE!"* never heard that voice line before.

[@robertfisher8359]

Between these fights, I guessed 3 out of 5 successfully.

[@stylesrj]

The Paladins VS Ogres fight probably would have gone better if the Paladins didn't stop fighting to do heals whenever they got the slightest bit of mana back. I just figured that the Paladins would look like they're winning at first, then they'd run out of mana while the Ogres only have to recast Bloodlust every once in a while thus less downtime. Then I remembered how bad it really gets with the Paladins stopping to heal instead of doing damage. Although I expected most of the ogres to still be alive at the end...

[@helloitismetomato]

It's funny how these videos really demonstrate how poor the War2 auto targeting is. Those catapults just standing around wondering what direction to shoot at for an hour while they get murdered.

[@RaulFelixINC]

I'm glad you make these. I love Warcraft 2 when I was kid and played it a lot. I really have no interest in playing it these days though and these battle theatres is probably would I would do instead. You skipped the middle man for me.

[@1upmushroom13]

This game is awesome. I hope you do more WC2 Fight Club Videos.

[@esteemedyams]

Cool vid I played Warcraft 1-2 for hundreds of hours back in the day

[@Canuovea]

No no, in order to beat Ogre Magi with Bloodlust, all you need to do is have a chokepoint! And three Paladins, with heal, hitting the Ogre all at once!

[@ebilgaming]

While the paladins heal was good, I see one big problem with their healing. Every tmie they hit 8 mana, they try to heal for 1 hp... They are wasting the chance to do 10'ish dmg, to do 1 healing. Perhaps if each one only used heal when they had over 60-mana so they wouldn't braindead spam it in melee they might have a chance.

[@NeoN-PeoN]

Wow. I knew the BL ogres were WAY better than Paladins. I didn't know they were OVER TWICE as good!

[@retrosquadchannel2.050]

Kargath is really "Dirty Harry" in orc terms. You know, does all the dirty work.

[@douglasthompson1724]

OH YEAH WC2! Thanks Stu!

[@Orkillester1]

Congrats to the three footman who lived, time for your next battle!

[@ericwalker8382]

I was thinking the dks were going to summon skellies from the grunts too, would have made it a little more interesting.

[@Wil_Dsense]

Yeah from seeing that, not many grunts were slain by the skeletons so it wouldn’t have made much of a difference. I thought initially the skeletons were going to win, as I recall them being stronger with more damage then that…

[@Feuri25]

question, there is a mod/conversion, however you wanna call it, in starcraft 2 that puts warcraft 3 into starcraft 2. atm there is only the prolog and human campaign but it seems to play really good. would you be up for a 100% playthrough like with WoL and HotS?

[@USDebtCrisis]

Is there a patch that adds 4k res, auto heal and such available to download?

[@aceshighdueceslow]

well we got a fairer fight with the Paladins and the Ogre Magi and it turns out bloodlust is still really OP. also that Death Knights and skeletons one was kinda disturbing for the set up

[@StuGames]

Everyone talking about how OP lust is, noone talks about how BAD skeletons are. 😁

[@NickoFirst]

Add more varied landscape and it would be great.

[@dradeel]

The last fight could (and probably should) have ended vastly different with just a slightly different execution by orcs.

[@Conan_the_Based]

Weird. It looks like the catapults glitched out in the last battle. They just stopped firing, like the AI was confused on who to attack. The outcome might've ended in Horde victory if they were as efficient as the ballistae in the 333 vs 1000 Berzerkers fight.

[@StuGames]

I think the catapults just have a very long time between shots. But yeah, the AI can sometimes be wonky in this very old game!

[@durshurrikun150]

The AI derps a lot in this game sadly.

[@enkerzan3755]

I think that last fight would have gone a lil differently if the ogres didn't get stuck behind the catapults.

[@majorramsey3k]

Formation is such an important factor.

[@TheStrahl]

Those trolls could have beaten those ballistas if they just moved around lol

[@indream-]

Last one surprised me. Well. For the Alliance!

[@Modrow27]

Teron Gorefiend's voice is unmatched.

[@ramones1983]

i love warcraft 2 fights

[@IMMiRageS]

Thank you It would be nice that you do the full campaign with an AI UltraViolent I did and ... it was tough !

[@AtomicF0x]

1:17 YEAHHH ALTERAC ORANGE BABY

[@tuhocr]

excellent video! thanks!

[@alexanderxyz6146]

5:30 why not let the Death Knights use Raise Dead from the new corpses... (not a fair fight)

[@chronotrigger705]

Me: I have 15 minutes to memorize a stretching routine in my first class as an instructor Also me: Finds this video

[@Say_Qwerty_Drums]

True hero

[@BoodyDarknes]

Been years since i played WC2 as a kid but i do remember that ogres were OP thx to Blood Lust.

[@kyu2813]

How did you zoom out like that?!?

[@LoudWaffle]

Nice, I guessed 100% of the outcomes incorrectly 😎

[@h7oda793]

Good always >>> Evil

[@Psmerling]

I'm really glad my computer doesn't have to handle all this

[@BADR00724]

idk if you noticed the issue in the 200 holy paladins vs 100 ogre mages, the paladins spent their time healing instead of dealing dmg while the back row didn't heal,it should've been the opposite , 2nd row heals and let the front row do dmg, if it was like that the paladins would've won the fight, the only threat I have with humans AI are the mages, their abilities are scary

[@bherb1204]

A good amount of ballistas/catapults seem broken. They just sit there and don’t fire for the majority of the fight. Maybe it’s too much for the simulator to handle?

[@noir66146]

omg this series is slamming it >>> ideas : hasted grunts vs, bloodlusted ogres hasted dragons vs. guard towers flame shield peasants vs. something lol hellscream ftw !!!!!!!

[@ESFAndy011]

From what I recall, Haste does not change attack rate, just movement speed. The only ones that benefit from Haste with anything other than movement speed are Peons and Peasants while chopping wood.

[@davidjames9984]

Nation and Clan tournaments to see who is the best of the best. And the champion from the Nation fights the champion clan.

[@cubescihist6737]

I didn’t know Gul’Dan had voicelines! Since he isn’t playable in the campaign.

[@albertobenitocarranza186]

Epico demostrado que los ogros siempre fieron mejores que los caballeros ganado. Epico para los que juegamos en el play uno

[@Jinx_Skeel]

how do you cast mass bloodlust like that? in wc2 i can only do it one target at a time @_@

[@StuGames]

I'm using mods and a lot of trickery to make these videos work!

[@userOneCat8647]

можно ли сделать подобные битвы с рабочими? / is it possible to do similar battles with workers?

[@JeanPaulB]

Those DKs need to learn Death Coil ASAP! lol

[@rallykalle8852]

The heroes from Tides of Darkness dont have voices, must be fanmade?

[@Sogekidan]

When you did the alliance heroes vs the horde you have the alliance an unfair advantage with a solid choke point. The horde heroes were just in an open field. I call shenanigans

[@StuGames]

The Alliance heroes are worse so I had to give them an advantage. 😎 They also had to fight a lot more enemies though.

[@wrmaldonado]

Orc deaths sound like drunken puking.

[@IWillSexU]

damn, i remember my uncle said exactly this back in 90s when i was playing war2 in my windows 1995/1998

[@АндрейОнищенко-з8х]

Are you planning making any pvp videos of wc2?

[@alexalthaea]

Waiting for Alliance heroes vs. Horde army

[@arcanis7511]

The Blizzard spell is more deadly the Megaton’s nuke in Fallout 3.

[@stevenking9612]

Since when did Zulgin, Cho Gal and Guldan have discint VA's? I've played WC2 a bunch of times and they always just had generic troll, ogre, deathnight lines. It wasn't till Tides that heroes had unique voices for me.

[@thunder____]

I think the berserkers might've stood a chance against the ballistas if the berserkers had closed in more so they didn't have so many of them idle bc they were out of range. With more berserkers actually able to attack, they would've been able to do much more damage, and especially if that strategy were implemented from the beginning of the fight, they probably could've turned the tide. One might say it would've been a tide of darkness, even.

[@smward87]

That's just WC2 AI in a nutshell. Ranged units will always attack from max range and once they start attacking they will not move unless their target tries to run away.

[@thunder____]

@@smward87 right, so what I mean to suggest (and I now realize I didn't actually say) is to micro the berserkers in closer so more of them can attack.

[@kevinf.2556]

many balistas were idle too though who wouldve gotten a shot off if the trolls wouldve come closer. i guess its a scale question

[@kayn9651]

So... you give 100k worth of bloodlusting ogres and dragons that can fly over the terrain on the sides and who have AOE attacks a fight against 40k worth of tier 1 units, footmen and archers, and a couple of wizards... How the fk is that fair again? Or you make a fight all about trolls versus ballistae, but trolls form a perfect circle at their max range so only one in every ten trolls gets to fight at a time, but ballistae get to shoot with one or two rows of them, basically making it a Battle of Thermopilae situation where the army with the stronger individual unit wins. Same thing going on with the grunts and the DKs really, the big numbers that can cover the whole terrain's width just means every grunt fights one skeleton at a time. - Divide all those numbers down so that 2 grunts each gotta fight a DK with 10 slaves when they can actually be surrounded and hit from all sides? It makes an exponential difference. I did the maths when fighting mobs in WoW. - If one enemy deals X damage to you by the time you DPS it down, then if 2 mobs attack you at once, you take 3x damage. - if 3 mobs attack you at once, you take 6x damage. - If 4 mobs you attack you at once you take 10x damage. - 5 mobs, 15x. - 6 mobs, 21x. - Why? Because all mobs attack you at the same time, not one after the other. - That's why groups of smaller units are strong in a strategy game. A grunt can beat 5 slaves coming at it in a row, but won't be able to survive 5 slaves surrounding it.

[@geonwilliams]

In first battle were both sides upgraded? If so can you redo with only heroes upgraded as per the prompt - I think that would be more evenly matched and interesting.

[@adrianintheweb]

I think that the problem in "200 paladins vs 100 ogre mages" was that paladins broke their defensive formation. When each unit gets engaged in combat, healing becomes less effective. I wonder if they would "Stand Ground" in a dense human circle, would that be better or not?

[@thomashuff7976]

Are some of those Orc hero voices custom or did they finally after many years give them unique voices? Because before Beyond the Dark Portal the heroes just had default voices (at least in mine they did).

[@StuGames]

yep, the ToD ones (Gul'dan, Zul'jin, Cho'gall) don't have custom voicelines - I took them from Hearthstone ;)

[@boomboy8104]

@@StuGames What was the original voice line base for Gul'dan? Was it just the orc voice?

[@exeortegarubio]

@@boomboy8104 I suppose Death Knight quotes. You don't control it in the Horde campaign though; you must kill him along with Cho'gall at the Tomb of Sargeras.

[@aceshighdueceslow]

@@exeortegarubio you also get Cho'Gall in one of the earlier Orc missions and he's just a beefier ogre mage with no special voices, same with Uther in the Human mission where you have to bring him across a naval blockade. I guess Blizzard didn't think about custom hero voices until BtDP

[@Blovvfish1]

I guessed wrong EVERY single time xD

[@WipesHandsOnPants]

Totes unfair! In the other video you gave the Alliance heroes a bottleneck!

[@irtehdar2446]

Why does it say "Grommash" on Grom Hellscream?

[@doramon6668]

Final battle army vs army looks like idea for new game of Dynasty Warriors. Dat can be Warcraft Warriors.

[@mr.2x.t288]

I’d love to be able to implement that auto cast function! If only I knew how tho 😢

[@MrPhil1st]

Hey Stu, isn't there another starcraft 2 expansion that you have not done yet? A protoss speedrun? Any chance of seeing that from you, please? 🙏

[@misanthropyunhinged]

extremely good video

[@StuGames]

Thanks!

[@Dumbdudeghol]

1:07 Sometimes superior at numbers is important

[@mopbrothers]

Turalyon vs Teron Gorefiend. Who wins that?

[@stevenmayer8528]

But the blizzard spell is still second to OP 😁😁 only behind polymerase

[@facundomoralesdiorio3802]

Deathwing was member of the Horde?

[@tyfyh622]

Hey, do you want to try "They are billions" game? I think you would like it