Sucker Punch Defense

[@KingChocobo]

I just wanted to thank you and let you know that I was able to successfully use this technique to prevent a robbery, defend myself, and the people I work with from getting harmed. Because of your video I have begun training in Gracie Jujitsu.

[@DanielRamBeats]

congrats! I love gracie jiu jitsu as well!

[@fkff948]

SURE YOU DID ...YOUR A HERO ..........BULLSHIDO STYLE

[@Austinkungfuacademy]

I LOVE this! In Gracie Combatives, they teach you to clinch right away. It isn't until Master Cycle that you learn this technique. I feel like this technique should come in the beginning. It seems like this is the most common street attack, so I'm glad you prioritized this! Thank you, I look forward to more of your self defense Jiu Jitsu videos!

[@tjl4688]

This is part of Blue Belt Stripe 1, which is part of the content you need to start reviewing after Combatives and before your blue belt. It's important, but it wasn't as commonly used in fights as simply clinching.

[@sheepwhisperer8527]

Never, never, never, never, turn your back, or look away, even for a second, from a possible opponent. I've seen too many people get knocked out over the years doing that.

[@raychenbjjold]

+Sheep Whisperer thats not turning your back, that's blocking his hips and loading him onto your hips for a hip throw.

[@sheepwhisperer8527]

+MrRandomBlah I wasn't saying that in regards to this video, just in general.

[@raychenbjjold]

true, when you're in grappling range, you can engage, and close the space while turning your back. I guess this is a one off :P

[@ichimarugin1995]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5rHlKyklqaahck yeah bro, never. You must see the enemy etes every instant till the end.

[@bruno4299]

@@ichimarugin1995 shut up otaku bitch.

[@thuglincoln7699]

being like 8 inches taller than the attacker helps too.

[@TyEdward1924]

More like a foot

[@jeffcuevas5918]

Defense against a midget attack

[@unlshtb4524]

yeah he would probably just grab the dude in the face

[@counterkidnapping1737]

I'm 6'1. Does that help?

[@goroblows]

@@unlshtb4524 no one trained in jiu-jitsu would face grab.

[@JohnnyGuitarRocks]

This is terrific, most realistic defense I have seen. Thank you!

[@ichimarugin1995]

I AM Z never heard of wing tsun? :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5rHlKyklqaahck

[@martialmusicman]

@@ichimarugin1995 We have, it's just not realistic.

[@counterkidnapping1737]

Rener Gracie told me "either you wanna get in so close or get away with the distance". Don't stand in the middle you'll get clobbered. If you are closed then get in clinch him take him down, if you are away just get away

[@counterkidnapping1737]

Most common attacks in street fight or self defense 1. Haymaker 2. Double leg tackle just like a wrestler but the ugly tackle 3. Headlock 4. You fall down then in mounted postition 5. Punched from behind like "Knockout Game" 6. Bear hug with underarms 7. Bear hug with overarms 8. Choke with pulling movement 9. Choke with no pulling movement 10. Full nelson That's what I've encountered in my life Sometimes they clinch your head like Muy Thai fighter

[@elenchus]

I successfully used this quite a long time ago, back in 2004 I believe. I'd picked it up from the Baylor BJJ club, even including the way you hold your hands almost contemplatively. I was walking with a friend at a different university and someone, clearly drunk, shambled towards us talking at us. I don't normally perceive danger in those kinds of situations, at least back then, because chances were pretty good this is someone we had met somewhere, not someone looking for a fight, so I didn't try to get away or, alternatively, put up my hands. As the guy got close, I didn't recognize him, and he came pretty much straight for me. I framed out his wild hook, which was quite easy in practice against a guy that could barely stand up, and then I just controlled his elbows while he kept trying to pull back for another swing. I made the judgment call in the moment not to take him down or to strike because I didn't view him as a serious threat. He kept trying to attack, completely unable to deal with the fact that I was controlling the inside of both of his elbows, for about 20 seconds, and then he started apologizing profusely and talking about how he's just had a bad day and other drunk rambling. We walked him home (his dorm was only a few hundred feet away) and that was that. Situation diffused, although I didn't get to use that sweet harai goshi I'd been polishing.

[@mhaley101]

This video is so right on it's scary. Anybody that's ever been bullied or attacked late at night needs to see this.

[@haffoc]

This is good practical stuff. What makes it stand out is that the author bases it on an analysis of how attacks really happen. So much crap in the self-defense world doesn't take into account how attacks really are carried out. Well done. And I can say that this approach actually works since I've used the same method myself.

[@SergioArroyoSailing]

fantastic demonstration. Would be great to see it with the smaller guy on defense and the bigger guy on offense (as that is what most likely happens)

[@coachkylehagen]

thanks, GREAT post .. I want to add that this concept is really applicable on the ground with closed guard and that the idea of framing with the forearms transfers to passing guard and defending the triangle choke. I have criticisms of this move against an expertly trained opponent but I'm certain that the critical posts below aren't spoken from trained fighters and this was never described as a technique for pro MMA.

[@DillenWilliams]

Thanks so much for these videos. Very helpful. 🙏🏻

[@brucewilliams464]

I've known Robin since about 1995 and I've trained with him multiple times. He is one of the best instructors in the game and an even better person. He will be the first to tell you that BJJ is not the only thing you should know and that every martial art is good for what it was designed for. You can hate on him as much as you want because he could care less.

[@jimmynix5399]

Seems like a perfect setup for a knee strike to the abdomen. Btw I love your videos. Some of the best on KZbin.

[@K33176]

Jimmy Nix and that's something you'd have to consider if you're dealing with an actual fighter. If their first instinct is to throw a haymaker, chances are you're not dealing with a trained fighter

[@jimmynix5399]

HowToAdvanced - Why wouldn't it work on an untrained fighter? If it was a self defense situation a good hard knee to the balls or stomach would be a fight stopper.

[@tjl4688]

Yes. The hip throw is optional; the important part is framing the biceps and getting the arm wrap/bodylock. If you can't hip throw, there are many other takedowns available from this position.

[@Octopussyist]

Finally someone with a fact based scientific approach. And he is right - a lot of it is about reading your opponent.

[@MrChompy]

Nice and simple. Easy to understand. Thanks!

[@ericsleith3635]

GREAT instruction! Well done my friend.

[@gracieohio]

Thank you!

[@shelby-wu3gf]

Just awesome. Great instructor!

[@Ziptrash]

Great Vid! Thank you. I would love to see more street fight specific bjj simply because it was created as a self defence and often now only sport bjj is taught. This videos are great because they can help kids in school to step up to their bullies and even help in other street fight situations. Keep them up! :)

[@mwf8735]

Tall dude with his hands up by his mouth and other hand low is the “ thinking mans stance”. It doesn’t look aggressive but he just standing there with impeccable defense. The thinking mans Stance.

[@AirAdventurer194]

Interesting ideas, wonderful video. Always keep in mind people looking to party generally bring party-favors: anyone can have a gun or knife on them, in the glove box, back seat floor in easy reach of the driver, or in the trunk, and they sometimes come back to the same bar with those and and a few accomplices the next weekend. But a wonderful video about the first confrontation. Clinching followed by grappling and takedowns, possibly groundfighting ,1-on-1 with no weapons sounds dreadfully effective against an average, or even above-average, bar fighter. Thanks again for the wonderful video

[@adcyuumi]

I have been saying this to people for decades; defense has to be almost half a second faster than offense, or it's no good. (This applies not just to sucker punches.) You have that 0.2-0.4 second delay before your body even starts to move in reaction to an opponent's attack, and then your body has to get into an effective defensive position before the attack reaches you. So you start by asking what the fastest attack someone can throw is that threatens -- that's a quick hard jab, particularly an eye gouge with their fingers. The next fastest is a straight punch with their primary hand, which is almost as fast and can do much more damage. The correct "resting position" for your own body and arms becomes as follows: -- Stand just out of jab range when possible, so that the attacker must step toward you to strike. When you cannot maintain range, try to stand nearer to the attacker's main shoulder (usually the right shoulder) than their off shoulder. People do not usually throw jabs with their lead hand or a straight right with their off hand, so you can observe them squaring off on you before they try to sucker punch you and be a bit more ready. -- Keep at least your off hand up near your face and solar plexus. As demonstrated in the video, the praying hands position looks harmless and natural but leaves you ready to defend. Stroking your chin/beard with your fingers as you listen/talk also appears harmless but has you ready to defend against at least the first blow. Very loosely folded arms near your chest is also OK, as long as you don't have your hands tucked where you can't uncross your arms quickly. These positions also guard your ribs, another common target. And they have your arms in position to try and catch/deflect a knife, if they tried to step in and stab your body. -- Don't rely on your hands/arms alone. Recognize that your skull is much harder than a hand. While you can't always get your hands up in time, just taking a punch to your forehead can end a fight before it begins. The harder they tried to hit you, the more likely it becomes that they have displaced a knuckle and therefore mildly crippled their main weapon. If they are both strong and quick with their hands, they may actually break their own hand on your skull. This isn't to say you should just take every punch they throw on your skull and "defeat their fist with your face" -- but for that first attack when you have very little reaction time, just developing the habit of lowering your head instead of pulling your head backward can help you. -- Stand with one foot slightly away from an attacker. You cannot shift your weight forward or backward quickly if you can't begin momentum by "falling" -- beginning movement should be as simple as taking weight off of one foot, so that you begin to topple in the direction you want to go. Two feet equidistant from your attacker makes you a much easier target, and it also makes it harder to just back out of threat range or move in to clinch (and therefore neutralize the punches of) the attacker. Typically you will want your own lead foot toward the attacker's right shoulder, and your back foot in line behind it -- this lets you easily "fall" into the opponent's main shoulder, which as you close range naturally neutralizes that weapon and puts both of your hands near enough to grab the attacker's main arm no matter what position it is in. Very good video. Common sense.

[@shelby-wu3gf]

I am a beginning student. I found your video full of valuable information. I'll stay tuned!

[@djeddieez7324]

I did like the step in and the throw . that was magic

[@smilingbuddha2836]

4th Dan Black Belt? Much respect to your hard work and dedication. Purple belt guy also.

[@jaymckay4086]

Excellent video. I've studied tae kwon do and that was very accurate, keep space, and fightings always the last option.

[@345kobi]

This depicts the most common need for self defense by men. Plus, in my opinion, it is the best on the web. Keep a distance if you can is number one. Hands up is number two. I might add, strike first. You can tell if the threat is real. The person who lands the first good blow usually wins.

[@Dbunkr55]

Very good teaching. Thank you.

[@gracieohio]

+Dbunkr55 Thanks for watching!

[@wellbeingtipsandtricks8729]

Can we have more self defence videos Thank you God bless Praful Chauhan England UK

[@longliveavalon]

Excellent video thank you!

[@wh1skey_tango_foxtr0t82]

great tutorial, elbow location is huge too keep inside control.

[@wh1skey_tango_foxtr0t82]

elobows in i mean

[@Momsspaghetti777]

It’s a close quarters haymaker defense when someone doesn’t set it up No one can just straight up block a punch they never anticipate

[@KillerBill1953]

For the fan boys, this is very similar to what any decent instructor will teach you. I would be more impressed if the attacker was bigger than the defender, or at least similar in build. As a small man, 5' 4", I am not impressed when the bigger man is the defender. All the bullies I have ever known were bigger than me. The last part, in my opinion, is the best part of the video.

[@borobei]

Very good advise, looks really practical. However I can't stop noticing how taller mr. Gracie is. Do you have a video in which the shorter man handles the situation against a man a lot taller than him? I know I could just try to apply it but it's also possible that different situations may arise in the opposite setting.

[@FranciscoHernandez-nt8lp]

Nexw to BJJ loved the video simple effective and to the point I will defenetly use it and share with my boys.

[@carot2003]

Interesting, makes sense. Have now subscribed..

[@fendermon]

Super practical and clear, ..subbed :)

[@nkaujci]

Back in middle school, we didn't sucker punch, we went for the throat with tiger claw

[@alphadog158]

Good vid guys very educational

[@gracieohio]

Thanks for watching!

[@Todjam12]

good advice

[@kylereese2279]

Good instructor.

[@borgshadow13]

Nice work of distance and reading, great advice for novice and upwards. although i personally would rather throw than mount in a self-defence situation with possibly multiple attackers, both approaches shown are lovely. one self-defence guy i am sparring with would probably apply a knee-kick to the core before going further, just to stun the opponent momentarily - what are your thoughts on this ?

[@spinningbacksidekick]

A sucker punch happens when you don't see it coming. You don't block a sucker punch. You take it in the face. If you don't get knocked out, then it's jiu jitsu time.

[@GG-nv8gt]

Are all the Gracie men 6’5” and above? Just started the Gracie Combatives series, however I don’t have a training partner yet, but I’ll keep looking. I’m older, so too are my friends. They think I’m nuts. I just want to get back in shape, but learn a skill too. Good videos.

[@gracieohio]

Thanks! The combatives are great videos! You can learn a lot from them. I hope you find a training partner to help you develop.

[@moro1112]

You’re never to old to learn to defend yourself. Same applies to working out. Look on Craigslist for people selling wrestling mats or pads for your walls and turn your garage into a work out slash dojo. My dad didn’t let us have video games instead we had a room like this. You should of seen the fights we had in that room! I beat up so many of my dads friends. “Sparing”

[@tjl4688]

Rener and Ryron are 6'4", Roger is 6'5"

[@carloshernandezruiz6424]

Excellent execution. OSS

[@DanielRamBeats]

beautiful

[@breker19er]

Great post!

[@worldbfree797]

just make sure you're in a(or try to be in) public setting where people are present and surveillance cameras are.

[@shihonage]

Very well explained, and I like that you use the "thinking man pose" defense ;) But will this approach work to shut down a sucker punch from a boxer? Or some other kind of trained striker?

[@Shortstuff7]

What if you get sucker punched from behind? So say they already got a punch on you but it didn't knock you out. You turn to them, what is your first counter/defensive move?

[@marwanchowdhury7941]

There another video showing how to defend a hook punch touch and go which is better this or touch and go?

[@GracieGoldsboro]

Excellent

[@fightington]

very cool, subscribed :)

[@mirecmusic]

This good in the dojo but try short punches that how people fight in the street

[@macjay7057]

awesome

[@user-lz4sz4cw2b]

What if the opponent has the leverage advantage and says reassuring words that the crowd want to hear, "Chill, dude! Your embarrassing yourself!" *Bam!* The guy in the blue has a long distance to cover for the sucker punch to be effective. Rolles faced the larger opponent Mariusz Pudzianowski. Any chance for a repost showing a larger, more skilled, opponent? Thanks.

[@bruno4299]

Shut up dude,you dont know shit.

[@richslater967]

What happens if he doesn't hook you, or throws a proper hook?

[@manama9119]

thats great for blocking a hook bunch but what if the bunch is a straight to the face?

[@manama9119]

I can see that some1 alrdy asked the same question.

[@MurrayHerts]

What if the guy is much bigger than you? and if you get into the space where he can grab you, you wont be able to toss him and he will be able to manipulate you instead

[@markanthonythethird]

you go limp so the perp has to hold all your weight while you dig your fingers into his face, throat and crotch. when he lets go you run forrest run.

[@345kobi]

The tossing him is highly unlikely if you are trained and will not happen if you are not trained.

[@bruno4299]

@@markanthonythethird Shut up noob.

[@BudFlight69]

What if he twist his shoulder into the punch?

[@ThisEnglishBoy182]

Or give everyone spidey senses. Problem solved.

[@MikeLibbie]

Question: Does anyone know the reaction time of things like this? For example, how long it takes a person to swing Vs how long it takes to react? I'm pretty sure I heard Firas say that the reaction time is such that the sucker puncher always gets the jump. I've sucker punched a person before and knocked him out, but he might have just been slow. I'm thinking keep a safe distance so that a punch landing is impossible. Always stay out of the pocket unless you're trying to implement your offense.

[@andrewmorgan3949]

Ok ok all love… one thing I would like to mention not sure it’s worthy or not but the student that through that punch was unrealistic the distance was off and the timing was wrong maybe because the student didn’t commit however that just makes it hard to see the principal at work and technique that’s all. I little commitment goes a long way… just saying but what do I know.

[@ipman3564]

You gotta be kidding me? He's using a Shrimp as his attacker????

[@dirtypete8750]

How abut hands up?

[@Fenglang1]

Can somebody post the link to the video he was talking about?

[@gracieohio]

I'll try and find it. it was on Facebook originally when I saw it.

[@alexanderwprieto714]

what of the guy is much taller and throws a straight punch as in not a haymaker or an uppercunt just a straight quick suckerpunch to the nose?

[@rottamato]

+Alexander W Prieto It's rare unless the guy is a boxer... usually they will lead with the wild haymaker... anyway you can practice some slip moves to avoid the straight and get to the clinch. For the uppercuts, I don't know, but I suppose that keeping your hands up, maintaining distance and and pay attention on the guy's shoulders' movements as it's suggested in the video, will always put you in the best possible position to avoid the punch.

[@charlesmartel988]

There is a different response to that. Block the elbow of the lead or jabbing hand in side and go to a standing arm triangle choke. You could also simply kick him away since his arm is shorter than your leg. Obviously you have to come to the academy and train every day instead of only watching videos.

[@alfonsgrizzly3981]

wee done

[@marwanchowdhury7941]

If a bigger guy throws that don't think it will work

[@raychenbjjold]

+Marwan Chowdhury it will

[@marwanchowdhury7941]

MrRandomBlah did u try it?

[@raychenbjjold]

yes.

[@marwanchowdhury7941]

But would it work for a hook punch

[@marwanchowdhury7941]

+MrRandomBlah would it work for a hook punch

[@BX138]

Maybe should have had the 6'5" guy attack the 5'5" guy.

[@kungfujoe2136]

the bjj way is to go lay on the floor and hope the other guy does not stomp you

[@deezi33]

Effective but flawed one his opponent is half his size in real life bigger people tend to pick on small two when he steps in why not head butt straight away rather than wrestle or use forearm to strike into throat

[@bruno4299]

It's a demonstration, you idiot.

[@AustrianJager]

Sensei, how tall are you?

[@gracieohio]

+AustrianJager 6'4"

[@AustrianJager]

+Relson Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Academy: Thank you!

[@loganater45]

Great vid, beware the headbutt!

[@oopalonga]

this makes sense cuz ur hella taller than him. id rather just duck the shit and go for back or takedown tho

[@gracieohio]

+oopalonga Definitely a great option! Especially if you are shorter than your opponent. Concept is still the same though. Hands up.

[@counterkidnapping1737]

Relson Gracie

[@djeddieez7324]

u said drop a comment ..... what if when you block the punch your opposition headbutts you then knees you in the balls that self defence you taught was crap mate two arms on his armz then he nuts yah right on the bridge of the nose.....ouch

[@txx9815]

don't wait that long until he knees you in the nuts. When you block his sucker punch like that don't just freaking hug him, if you can't do anything else then push him backwards off the balance. This guy knows what his talking about. He was merely showing how to fend the sucker punch.

[@TheJcrispell40]

A bunch experts in here. If you studied any martial art you would understand no technique is fool proof.

[@DKY00]

Wow master height 6.3ft?

[@gracieohio]

6'4"

[@kungfujoe2136]

japanees jiu-jitsu is for self defens bjj is for competition

[@matkasim]

Get a bigger taller attacker. The defence would hv to be adjusted

[@Jon-ov4nc]

there is fighting and there is self defence, they are different. this is fighting, not self defence. you shouldnt put a false sense of security into people by calling techniques that commit to grappling defensive methods, if you fail you have to fight your way to victory as you cant now just run, self defence isnt about defeating the other guy but remaining unharmed. the intention of fighting is "im going to fuck this guy up", on the other hand the intention of self defence is "im not going to get fucked up". teaching people to evade, block, strike, and finally run is the sensible and responsible way to teach self defence. grappling should only be performed for the finish and from uncommitted standing positions, if it fails you can still run. stick to sport fighting, self defence is about using common sense and nothing else.

[@gracieohio]

I disagree. This is definitely self defense. You may not always be able to run. Jiu-Jitsu in it's essence is to to be 100% defensive, whatever it takes to survive. If that means running away then that is good self defense. If you have to engage we want to neutralize the attack.

[@hoppy760]

Jon, You speak as if you're an expert so would love to know who are you and what are your credentials?

[@Jon-ov4nc]

I'm a world level sanshou fighter and a national Taijiquan champion. 21 years in martial arts and 13 years in kung fu, plus actually growing up in a backwards town and having personally taught even little children practical self defence. The best defence is not to be there, this video doesn't even demonstrate how to evade or block but just rushes in to the finish and calls it defence; why get punched twice when you can run into the first punch to help them knock you out in one.

[@Jon-ov4nc]

What im trying to get at is why produce self defence videos which are more or less for showing a technique instead of defensive concepts and strategy. Skill trumps technique any day of the week, my question is what are the underlying skills across the self defence strategies of BJJ? I asked this question a lot but am yet to actually get an proper answer from someone.

[@gracieohio]

We teach a lot of evasive strategies. Mostly controlling the distance. This is just a specific scenario when you are not quite sure of the person's intentions.

[@legobobafett4449]

when you start the video not knowing anything about it and hear the words "Columbus Ohio" YES | (×)|_________/

[@peterr6214]

And start clapping

[@MrYutoob]

i don't know about everyone else, but its just audio and a black screen for me

[@gracieohio]

paul netzel It's working on our end. Not sure what's going on. Sorry for the issues.

[@kirvin2]

A sucker punch comes from a blind spot from someone that you aren't able to see coming and with no warning whatsoever. If you feel threatened that is your warning. If he's in front of you, you can see it coming. You have not demonstrated any defense of a sucker punch in this video.

[@DuplicitousDark]

meh. it doesnt happen this way on the street

[@bruno4299]

Shut up pussy.

[@redredrobin7814]

HERE is how you do it! This is a humble 7/11 clerk! Go to the 30sec. mark. Dang, this guy is good. Unleashes hell : www.liveleak.com/view?i=6de_1475442577

[@Hoathuytinh-863]

haha

[@miketurley8272]

ur great but i ant got 3minutes to waste mot seeing a technique,sorry thanx

[@andrewmorgan3949]

Stick to sport fighting because ur no good at street fight… this is not hate u just gave out publicly.. falsified information.. so I’m just letting you know so you can learn and grow.. one love

[@zacgriffiths6329]

🔥 fair fight 1:19 💘💙💟 👇👇💗

[@Salinas956]

05:39 -- who punches like that ?! Lol your best bet is to throw the first "sucker punch" , you're in an altercation with someone, face to face , guess what? that altercation will not magically disappear or settle it with a hug or kiss , etc etc , either someone else gets in the middle to "diffuse" the situation or you give the first hit for self-defense. You will not survive with these techniques, These "fighters" are constantly fighting in a "controlled environment". The referee will stop the fight the minute a fighter gets knocked out, in a "real life scenario" , your ass is theirs the minute they get you on the ground. Basically you either throw the first punch to save yourself and leave quick or get beat up. Survival !

[@charlesmartel988]

Relson has been in WAYYYY more fights than you on the street, that is the problem with your argument. Even someone with sport jj and no punch defense typically comes out on top against a sucker puncher albeit with less grace.

[@mikeservello4394]

Sorry I prefer fighting standing up why the hell would I want to go to the ground especially on concrete

[@xIxDEADnGONExIx]

too long video

[@jesusisgod42]

The way he hold his hands is totally unnatural that's ridiculous, nobody talk like that prior to a fight. I think you need experience in real life before creating theories of self defense.

[@brian012281]

JesusisGOD You dont have to have your hands in that exact position. Just have them up and ready. I work in a jail and in dealing with inmates I always have at least my left hand up doing something.

[@jesusisgod42]

brian012281 He is supposed to teach a technique, if HE doesn't show something properly it's irrational to show it like that. There are plenty of other videos on KZbin showing good techniques that works ...

[@brian012281]

+JesusisGOD the technique he's teaching doesn't require your hands to be in a specific place, just having them up in general is the point. You can have one on your chin like you are listening intently, scratch your ears whatever. Just have your hands up and not at your sides

[@gracieohio]

+JesusisGOD i think you may have missed the point of the video, the important thing is to have your hands up in this range or get out of our all together if you feel threatened. Clearly if the fight were on, hand position and body position would be very different.

[@hoppy760]

Did you watch the video? Jesusis GOD? If you're going to comment and say what he's teaching is incorrect then at least provide your credentials.

[@danielskipp1]

This video, like all good GJJ vids, is very good right upto the point where they teach the actual Gracie grappling BS. You try to grapple and you will get grappled... and then his buddy will stomp you. BJJ is a sport only suitable for 1 on 1 fighting. Get real.

[@hoppy760]

And you think 1 on 3 fights are going to be any easier for a striker?

[@danielskipp1]

***** Yes, much easier. Amazing how you BJJ cultists can't see that simple truth. 3 on 1 for BJJ is impossible unless the attackers are not determined and just run away after you beat the 1st 1 or 2. In fact BJJ is so rubbish and untrained at standup that you would be lucky to KO the 1st guy. Whereas a well trained striker who avoids grappling and the ground, even a pure sport fighter like a boxer, would have a far higher chance of beating 3 untrained thugs. Boxers KO 3 idiots OFTEN.. sure they often lose too, when tackled to the ground, but BJJ has NO CHANCE. Wakey, wakey, Mark, you have been chugging down the Gracie KoolAid and its done your brain in.

[@danielskipp1]

***** i have "mastered" none... but that is totally irrelevant. Critical analysis of anything does not require physical "mastery" of it to be truthful. Truth is truth. You may not mean an Ad Hominem but it is implied in such a line of inquiry, otherwise why be curious? A military historian need not have led troops in battle to make valid criticism of any given military training. Same for analysis of this combat sport art known as BJJ... it is as much a liability as a benefit on the streets.

[@danielskipp1]

***** OK, fine, curious cat. I done a bit of this, a bit of that. I do Shintaido at present but my combatives training is totally eclectic. It's the mental side, attitude, awareness, principles, strategy, tactics, exercises, drills and partner work that matters as much as the idiosyncratic techniques that styles teach. Lots of techniques from many styles are suboptimally efficient but a fast fighter can make them work against inferior opponents most of the time... Feeling and moving the body efficiently and understanding self-defence, people basically, is more important than memorizing techniques... though mastering some basics is of course necessary for reliable effectiveness. I am too sick to train much these days, unfortunately. BJJ is good for 1 on 1 when you know that they will be alone the whole fight, they are not much stronger, they won't get a weapon and they won't effectively use any "dirty" tactics, like breaking fingers, gouging eyes, biting, groin attacks etc. How can anybody know all of that beforehand? You can't. It is only good for ritual matches, fake fights, not real combat. As much benefit you get from the training is offset by the risk of getting stomped, bitten or stabbed when you think it will work and it won't. It could be heavily modified [90% of the techniques dropped for a start] to be semi-useful... mainly just for escaping from being grappled on the ground, and even then your best bet is to immediately use "fouls" [ripping the eyes, groin, skin, nerves etc.] to sweep them off. Most of their best moves already existed in Japanese Jujitsu or come from wrestling. When BJJ first competed in Vale Tudo wrestlers wrecked them. They imported 2 African-American wrestlers to teach them wrestling so they could win.. [kind of like how judoka used jujitsu to win to make its name]. BasicallyJustJudo sucks for self-defence... it has so many holes.

[@hoppy760]

Debating with a guy that doesn't train is pointless.