Style Select: Guns In Fighting Games

[@davidvulakh744]

“For his neutral special, he wields a Gun.” A classic line for a reason. Can’t wait for the next episode

[@richardo490]

Dead meme

[@thefreeburningspirit]

@@richardo490 unfunny too

[@jamelbunny5732]

@@richardo490 it's still funny

[@zam50]

@@richardo490 it's a fucking quote, not necessarily a meme

[@illford]

@@thefreeburningspirit Nah if it's not overused it can be funny. Even then it's just a relevant quote anyways

[@cashordeals3672]

it took me 10 years to find the answer to something i forgot about it in 2 seconds

[@akiraishin7141]

That sounds a like a bit of happy chaos right there

[@cashordeals3672]

@@akiraishin7141 😎👌🏾

[@taylorbee4010]

One of the few dudes who shoots a gun like it's a gun

[@SuperFusionAJ93]

That’s about it.

[@ShibuNub3305]

@@taylorbee4010 Funny how the *one dude* who uses a gun like a gun is basically a god.

[@theanimenaut]

I find it hilarious how Happy Chaos isn't even a gunslinger. He just found a cool gun one day and decided to roll with it instead of using his broken magic. He gets surprised when he manages to do a gun spin in his round win animation.

[@wanderingmarshadow]

"I will defeat you using my limitless knowledge of the universe at a fundamental level and this gun I found."

[@unintentionally_edgy5867]

@@wanderingmarshadow “what are you all powerful with again?” “Gun go bang” “… I should’ve expected that”

[@albertonishiyama1980]

To be fair he's surprised because he almost shoots his own foot. His quote in JP is something the lines of "wow, I should stop doing things I dont know how to. That was really close"

[@unintentionally_edgy5867]

@@albertonishiyama1980 actually, it’s both. He has a successful gun trick, where he acts surprised by excited, the one where he almost shoots himself, and one where the gun somehow clones itself a bunch and even he says “wait what”. I think there’s one more but I don’t remember offhand

[@flashbackfrank8781]

He's got big school shooter energy 😬

[@Silvershire]

I think Cervantes from Soulcalibur is a great example of guns in a fighting game. They’re fast, unblockable, high-damaging, full-screen projectiles, which really sells the power of the firearms, but they take a long time to draw and aim, which keeps it balanced (and makes sense for a pirate flintlock). Plus, his guns are included in a lot of his canned animations, so they feel like a big part of his moveset rather than just a one-off tool.

[@grantgarbour]

I feel like he uses his gun more in combos than his actual projectile

[@lrdalucardart]

@@grantgarbour yap, and even if he was just spamming it, any good player would pick up pretty quick and start sidestepping it.

[@Thalanox]

It also really helps that Soulcalibur is a 3d fighting game, so it's hard to hit an opponent who is actively side-stepping. Unlike Tekken, side-stepping and really using the 3d movement is a lot easier.

[@majorghoul9017]

Making the gun in a game something as limited as a muzzle loader was brilliant

[@code066funkinbird3]

Blazblue too

[@nick-playercharacter8583]

We've all heard the old adage of "bringing a gun to a knife fight." The obvious question for fighting games is "how do you bring a gun to a fist fight and still make it a fair fight?"

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

NRS in regards to fairness with guns: that’s the neat part. We won’t

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

Give the guy with fists a big punchy ghost that’s faster than the- And the gun guy’s dead.

[@TheAuthorStudios]

Every time guns are brought up as a fighting style i'm reminded of RWBY's philosophy; "How do we balance giving people guns while others have melee weapons?" "Easy, just make every melee weapon also be a gun" "What about the character who fights with punches?" "Glove Gun."

[@gspandem1204]

Said glove gun being the coolest thing to ever exist.

[@joshbruh6584]

RWBY really needs it own fighting game I get it was in BBTag but the 5 characters we got in that were so cool I need a fighting game full of them . Sure the show has some issues but the character designs and music just make me enjoy it .

[@TheAuthorStudios]

@@joshbruh6584 I'm of the opnion every series deserves a fighting game spin off. RWBY may have gone off the rails for much longer than it was on it by now, but it's potential for fighting game material is still there

[@joshbruh6584]

@@TheAuthorStudios Truuuuu tho one of my most wanted games is a fighting game based on Saiki K

[@Ramsey276one]

Good one!

[@jao_00]

Ironically,the invention of firearms did not even stop martial arts In fact it created two new ones in meiji era Japan,Hojutsu and Jukendo,one is straight up kyudo with a gun and the other is bayonet kendo

[@8BitDeadlift]

One of the most memorable quotes I heard was in an old Kung fu movie: if you want to beat a man in a fight, you bring a gun. If you want to maximize your body's potential, you practice martial arts.

[@GenericProtagonist118]

Even in Enter the Dragon Bruce Lee's character immediately asked "Hey, why don't we storm in their with a bunch of guns?"

[@code066funkinbird3]

O right

[@AlluidTheGamer]

Happy Chaos is kind of an oddball in that he mixes Marksman and Gun Kata with the "guy who doesn't know what he's doing" fighter archetype. As a fighter, Happy Chaos is more interested in doing cool things and having fun than any sort of practical gun methodology; he could nuke everyone with magic, but that's boring. So he found a cool gun and a replica of it and decided to try to be Clint Eastwood. His bullet meter represents a limit he's trying to impose on himself to make it more fun, and his concentration meter represents focusing his magic to use the gun as a gun. It's also why he uses his gun with such a limp wrist and has hazy accuracy; he doesn't know what he's doing with his gun or his barehanded fighting style and it's more fun that way to him. This all flies out the window when he uses Deus Ex Machina, where he decides that being cool is more fun than challenging himself. All of his bullets, even the ones he manually loads, are made from his magic, and he literally just makes them in the gun. His Take Aim takes more concentration because he's forcing himself to use his gun like a trained professional instead of just winging it, and even then because he's self-taught his aim still isn't perfect unless he makes the effort to curse his target, and because a properly aimed shot is more badass than a limp shot it does more damage. Gun kata comes in the form of his accuracy suddenly maxing out on impact from any successful physical strike and his ability to draw his gun with one hand while hitting with his other hand or doing almost literally anything else. On hit, it's cool enough that he does it without really thinking and when inflicting curse or summoning a scapegoat, it's done in conjunction with natural magic use for him so it doesn't impede his accuracy beyond the norm.

[@UncleMerlin]

for a guy that picked up a gun to enjoy fighting, he sure likes to stay on the other side of the screen with the most boring loops of all time.

[@charnor2727]

@@UncleMerlin he picked the gun to be fun. The players did not

[@xcrackervolleyx]

Well now that this video series is a thing, I really want a "dumbass style" video. Stuff ranging from "I don't need a style because I'm physically superior to everyone" (Wyler, Gigas, idk who else) to stuff like Shingo Yabuki, who does have a defined style of Kusanagi matrial arts and Chinese Boxing, but kinds of butchers because he's still green.

[@Ramsey276one]

Dumbass Style Vs Rookie “Style” XD

[@SpookerDoom]

I don't know much of these guys, but gigas isn't "dumbass", he's "power". Power mocks style by ending the fight faster through brute damage. SF5 Birdie is another brute who doesn't need a style, though he has fight experience in spades

[@Hattori75]

If anything I would not say dumbass style but more like no style/rookie. Also I'd add Miguel since he doesn't fight with a style and Chie since she just copies what she sees in kung fu movies to that list.

[@Ramsey276one]

@@Hattori75 it applies to SOME No Style characters, though Ah, Chie’s DVD-Ryu style! XD

[@Hattori75]

@@Ramsey276one ah yeah you're right. I forgot Rufus exists.

[@shangchi828]

7:25 Oh and in WW2, close quarter melee combat was still used. Filipino's used Bolo swords, limited firearms, and Jungle warfare tactics against Japanese Soldiers who used a combination of bayonetted rifles and Samurai Swords.

[@BknMoonStudios]

Yup. In Close Quarters Guerilla Warfare, things like effective range and power are much less important than remaining concealed and striking first. Won't matter that you have a bazooka and a .50 cal rifle if the enemy gets the jump on you first.

[@ikagura]

And I guess during Napoleonic war?

[@harlannguyen4048]

Don't forget about that one WWII soldier that went into battle with only a sword, bow, and arrow.

[@shangchi828]

@@harlannguyen4048 Just watched a video about him, "Mad Jack" John Churchill.

[@henriquebecker4453]

You mean that this could be an ideal senary for a COD campaign focused on melee weapons?

[@ikagura]

We need a fighting game with only guns, basically a Guilty Gear with firearms.

[@ShibuNub3305]

We have that already, it's called Texas

[@realfromtherealreality4148]

Totally! There's plenty of great anime where characters use guns as their weapon of choice, but who could still benefit from a fighting game adaptation. One that popped immediately into my mind was "Black Lagoon". And in manga you could have "Alice in Murderland" (Not to be mistaken with Borderland). Or even Gantz. There's also the case of BTOOOM! where you'd have a create a fighting game where everyone only fights using bombs. (And not small ones at that.) But if there's anything I really want to see, it's a fighting game adaptation of Gun Gale Online. (Phantom Bullet and Alternative from SAO) Think about it: There's a great variety of characters and weapons, and the video game Fatal Bullet, introduced even more insane characters with the now clear understanding of what everyone's abilities are. Like, Sinon as the mc, Kirito, Death Gun with maybe mechanics of instant death at a certain percentage, Spiegel, WhiteRanger and that little bunny girl who're agiles af, Kureha as a massive tank who powers through projectiles, the Arf-Sys, the protag of Fatal Bullet with his grappling hook and basic pistol, even Argo who could use rumors to debuff and buff stuff, or Itsuki and Ibuki who could straight up hack the game and give themselves unfair advantages at a cost. Seriously Gun Gale Online (is my favorite part of SAO but that's irrelevant), has so much potential as a fighting game where everyone utilizes firearms but in much different ways. Sure archetypes could be more common than others, there's a surprising amount of snipers in these games, while Kirito (And Eugeo in Fatal Bullet alongside the protag), is the only one who uses a sword, but even then no two characters play the same. I want GGO to get respect! And a good fighting game since it has even more characters than Alicization. Edit (after finishing the video): This is exactly what I was talking about. Guns are expressive af, and GGO characters, while not very complex for sure, all have something different to express about themselves. Their character designs, weapons of choice, and abilities (Which you can't modify at all in Fatal Bullet apart from DLC outfits), all express something different about themselves, which is logical, because it's a MMO. They all made their avatars the way they wanted it to be. To overcome a trauma and fight as if their lives depended on it which results in an aggressive play-style with a long-range weapon, to become the number 1 player in the world but fail miserably, to get off their frustration, to simply become their ideal self, to work on a bigger project, or to live the thrill of the hunt with real people, or simply because their childhood friend said it'd be fun to reunite after all of these years for a good game together... (And I haven't even scratched the surface of everyone's motivation. Especially the AI's.) Reki Kawahara gets a lot of flake, but I actually respect him a lot as a fellow writer, both for his productivity, and for always delivering on the character design aspect. I guarantee you A.B.I, a GGO fighting game would be amazing, and even maybe expand, on the three archetypes presented here!

[@hellkaiser64]

You mean like RWBY on its beginning? Scythe-rifle, sword-gun ,shotgun-gaunlets , Nunchucks-gun , etc.

[@xavibun]

I agree. I wanna see all styles of gunplay the developers can think of.

[@seokkyunhong8812]

Isn't that just a third person shooter?

[@kaleidoslug7777]

I've wanted something like this series for AGES

[@TClaymore]

"I mean, these days you can't go around kicking and punching people because... _mimes taking out a gun_ ...that's it. I don't care how good you are!" - Bruce Lee I do think that this is giving the gun a bit too much credit, though. Not that martial arts aren't largely relegated to personal training and sports these days, but while martial arts on the open battlefield are no longer a thing, they do have their uses, primarily in cramped quarters or ambush situations where fast, reflexive movement beats aiming. Knives can be just as deadly as guns and they're a whole lot quieter, and they also penetrate kevlar that could stop a bullet or two.

[@2deep5u]

My favourite bit in Enter the Dragon is how disappointed he is when he is told that he can't bring along a gun to the island lol.

[@ajm5007]

In cramped quarters, you'll still want a gun. People who use them regularly in combat train on how to effectively use a firearm even when your opponent is within punching distance. And if you're close enough to stab someone through their body armor, you're close enough for your bullet to penetrate unless it's a truly weak projectile (like a .22 short). Used properly, the gun still wins. That said, no one is realistically going have access to a firearm literally ALL the time, and in some situations, you want something less lethal or less loud.

[@jayb8934]

Also, most people aren't whipping out guns and knives in every confrontation (except maybe in the US lol), so being able to defend yourself unarmed is still a useful skill to have.

[@mas8705]

Naruto in Fortnite, Levi in Call of Duty, 1:00- It is only a matter of time until we see magic happen somewhere. /s

[@A-1-Sawce]

Agh, this just made me want to watch Equilibrium again. Such a cool freaking movie. Great video, as long as they're treated as a balanced weapon in Fighting Games I love guns.

[@notthephonz]

2:15 I like the idea of the gunner character needing the concentration to aim steadily. It makes me wonder if, when fighting against a gunner character, damage to your lifebar doesn't actually represent damage to your health, but instead represents the gunner getting closer and closer to lining up that killer shot. When you get "hit" by the gun during the fight, it's a representation of stepping into the gunner's range or otherwise exposing yourself to the shot. I always thought it was weird that you could just face tank gunshots in fighting games, but I guess the "everyone is tougher in this setting" explanation makes sense, too.

[@fieldrequired283]

I've heard it said that this was actually the original conception of HP stats in, for example, first edition d&d. It's not the number of wounds you can survive, or the amount of blood you can afford to lose, but an abstraction that represents your composure, level of fatigue, and sheer luck to avoid taking an incapacitating blow. When the fighter finally takes lethal damage from that 10th wolf bite attack, it's not that she was bitten in the neck by the wolf 10 times and only started caring on the last one. It's that after enough glancing blows and getting thrown off balance enough times, the wolf finally managed to get a clean hit on her guts or throat or something, and that's what took her out. Your AC isn't the chance that you block, dodge, or deflect the attack (every deadly strike is blocked, dodged, or deflected, otherwise you would be dead), it's the chance that you block, dodge, or deflect the attack so easily that you're not even winded or distracted by it.

[@solairegamer613]

As pointed out in the video Whip's gun can only be shot downwards at her feet, but she also has, in my opinion, one of the best ways to balance and sell the power of a gun in a fighting game, her desperation super in kof 2002 has her pull out a magnum wich goes full screen and deals about 50%, but she needs 3 bars of meter and to be at 10% health or lower to use it, add a decent amount of start up and a lot of recovery to the mix and you get a well designed gun in a fighting game

[@Hoarseplay]

Sharon in the old Street Fighter EX games is also a good example of this: She normally fights unarmed, but requires 1 super bar to pull out her gun with ONE bullet (which can also function as an RC of sorts), and can only fire her gun by spending another bar. Due to this, her gunshot destroys other projectiles and deals 30% HP at the tradeoff of not being instant hitscan like Whip. In FEXL, Sharon's revolver has six shots and is a normal special move, however, she cannot reload in the middle of match which allows her gun to still be a bit overpowered.

[@OccuredJakub12]

It even makes sense with her needing meter to use it because Meter is used when a character does a desperation attack, or one that demands incredible strength. Guns, especially Magnums, have a LOT of kickback, and Whip isn't the most muscular fighter, relying mostly on her weapons. So, her using this as a last resort fits in, especially if she's at low health. It kinda shows that she's a bit of a sore loser. Can't beat you normally? I'll just f-ing shoot you!

[@tcchip]

I also remember Sharon having a 3 bar super where she pulls out an M-16.

[@MagillanicaLouM]

Noel definitely makes it look awesome. Favorite gun fighter in the genre off the top of my head Edit: also Undernight Eltnum

[@PrisonMike196]

@Harmonia Noel and Eltnum should really meet each other one of these days

[@masterofchaos7282]

Guns are always interesting when they pop up in fighting games (mostly because a darker side of me is always shouting “Just shoot them in the head and be done with it”). My personal favourite gun user is Noel from Blazblue mainly because she always just felt good to play but I’ve been enjoying happy chaos in strive recently. Speaking of Blazblue, do you think you could do a video on the series someday? I think it could be interesting especially comparing the spritework and animations of early characters like Ragna and Jin to later character like Susanoo and Jubei to see how they’ve changed overtime.

[@MrSoso1050]

Something only MasterOf Chaos72 darker side could say. truly dangerous individual.

[@bc4f985]

Yes more love for Noel!!

[@alexanerose4820]

At fighting game range where guys can punch at the speed of sound and grapple you to the ground with the force to crack pavement, shooting the head won't do you good especially with the constant movement. Now bring things like chi and magic into the mix and you realize guns are overrated. Context man, context Besides, always aim for cetter mass. It's the biggest target as per every shooting class ever and do so from beyond grappling/melee range cuz there's only 1 usefull business end with the length of the whoe thing determining how easy it is to for the enemy to grapple and point away

[@LeadHerring]

7:26 dude this summation is godlike. I love the idea that fighting game characters express the philosophy behind martial arts rather than their real world strengths and weaknesses

[@karue7581]

Super excited for more episodes in this series! That was a great start

[@iychi2212]

This guy is neat when it comes to figthing game video essays

[@lit_wick]

Thr tease with the bushido blade clip. I loved how that boss faught. Getting shot the first time was really shocking.

[@sucinistro]

This animated intro is godlike, A.B.I is becoming more strong with the time...

[@viewery0125]

Loved the Resident evil 4 themed songs on background, also the transition to Ada's theme when talking about "gun kata", nice touch!

[@usmansubhani7482]

I’m loving these Style Selects! Can’t wait for a Piguaquan video since there’s so many about Bajiquan, but nothing on its sibling style. Even Fajin and Huajin aren’t explained much.

[@llechium]

1. That intro is sick 2. I love that I actually learn from these kinds of videos!

[@meowserita]

that intro into "but all of this changed" is real funny to me cause knowing a damn good bit about guns, theories and philosophies of guns have been developing for as long as guns, its just that its a technology where the theories go into its creation and design and not nearly as much into how its used cause its design pretty much tells you how to use it. but man the debate through the entirety of the history of the rifle of slow precision vs overwhelming rapid fire is definitely the theory and philosophy of modern battle, and you can definitely use it to draw paralels to fighting game characters and i very much want to do that (though i don''t know nearly enough about all the various characters to do it).

[@writinggoose6059]

That philosophical debate is definitely something he could have touched on, considering that the first 2 character archetypes he covered kinda reflects those philosophies. The Arsenal represents the overwhelming rapid-fire camp not in just the choice of weapons but also in the idea of throwing every weapon they have at the opponent,while The Marksman represents the slow precise rifle philosophy, even though most of them use pistols.

[@Makkushimu]

Regarding the IRL discussion of martial arts versus guns, there are only a couple situations where it's not an automatic victory, but in those cases the gun starts from a holstered position, AND it usually involves a knife. For instance Myth busters tested the saying "don't bring a knife to a gunfight", and found that it was actually pretty difficult to react to an aggressive knife attack, but the longer the distance the attacker had to travel, the more likely it was for the gunman to fire off a shot. Trained individuals (military, escrima, krav maga, etc self defence systems) also tried this and arrived at the same conclusion, with the observation that in the hands of a trained knife wielder or hand-to-hand combatant, it's even more difficult. Again distance mattered, but they also found that the technique in which the gun is pulled out also mattered, pulling it out from a controlled falling motion with your leg pushing off the opponent. Really interesting stuff as I was sure there'd be no way a gun could lose in a fight.

[@opuofbengal5935]

I really wanted the gun slingers, from the Arc Sys developed game Hard Corps: Uprising, to be a guest character in BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle. This video allowed me to see just how difficult it is to adapt the gunslinger archetype to fighting games so I can see why it was never a consideration. Also probably nobody cared about Hard Corps, but that game was the most fun time me and my little brother had playing video games for a whole year, we still go back to it from time to time. Thank God for Xbox backwards compatibility!

[@nore5888]

Have u seen the gunslinger in DNF Duel?

[@tedjomuljono3052]

Which is ironic because the best character in that game, uses a sword(and is related to the final boss, who also uses a sword)

[@shangchi828]

1:27 I wouldn't say there's no Martial Art in using a gun. Depending on the type of gun there are certain ways to carry, conceal, draw and deploy, holding, breathing, standing, sitting, laying down, and running.

[@ajm5007]

There are also performance "gun arts" like quick draw shooting, rodeo shooting, and cowboy action shooting, where style, quickness, and agility matter as much as actually hitting your target. It's basically wuxia with guns.

[@thomasraudenbush2074]

An honorable mention should go to Revy from the anime Black Lagoon. Her dual wielding is a sight to behold and the sound her "cutlasses" make is just iconic.

[@code066funkinbird3]

Heck yeah

[@LammasuRex]

I cannot convey how much I love the absurdity of guns in fighting games.

[@AzureAetherXx]

This video made me realize that the aresenal style zoner is not only my favorite to play but my favorite to watch because it always feels like they have another trick or trap to set.

[@PhillipOnTakos]

"The worst thing in fighting games" Don't even need to look at the screen and I knew it was Deadshot

[@PrinceFlumph]

Oh this is a nice idea of a series! I can’t wait for future instalments exploring different fighting styles

[@Ramsey276one]

Reflexes Predict Improvisation Overcome

[@NabNabs]

Great concept for a series! As someone that always is interested in gun characters it immediately caught my interest too lol Looking forward to the next episode!

[@Hastewing]

I feel the best example for a gun user is whip from kof 2002um. Most of her arsenal are whip attacks and she acts like a zonar but she has one big move. Her biggest super is "desert hawk" where she just pulls out a gun and one shot does the trick. One of the more accurate representations of guns I. Fighting games in my opinion.

[@dbgr9875]

Joker's guns in smash are pretty fun, I guess they're pretty gun kata, letting you create instant long range hitboxes that don't have much power but keep some distance. You can dash left and right inbetween shots while on the ground or in the air, and while in there air you can spiral downwards to aim down and cover the space below you, or spin in circles to unleash fire everywhere. And when you get into his powered up state, they just get stronger, shooting more shots and launching further at point-blank. P fun imo

[@milesbrown2261]

While not a fighting game I love the way bloodborne handles guns. They’re not weapons, but tools used for parrying someone at range. A well timed shot won’t outright kill, but it will open them up for a killing blow. This opened my eyes to the way guns can be re-imagined as tools for ranged actions

[@QaptainSlander]

He doesn't realize that the musical artist Biggest Punisher developed a martial art around guns called judo... ju don't know I got a gun

[@ClockworkBees]

I love guns. There are so many different ways to have fun with them. As a game designer or storyteller, they fundamentally change how combat works. Even in video game genres built from he ground up around guns, there are so many different questions that need to be answered about their functionality. Then, in things like fighting games, they demand even greater creativity, which was discussed very well in this video. I don't have anything simple to say that hasn't already been said in the video, but I wanted to make it known that I've thought about this sort of thing a decent bit and I like this video. One or two miscellaneous thoughts, I like hoy Happy Chaos basically invented magic and is one of the most powerful people in the world, but his weapon of choice is a gun. "For his neutral special, he wields a gun" has been a personal favorite for years. Over-the-top stylistic gunplay is awesome, cold efficiency is awesome, the massive arsenal from a boomer shooter is awesome, and it really is surprising how well you can communicate character with how they use a gun.

[@2deep5u]

You sound like you'd love Fate/Zero, the protagonist is a super weird (and super pragmatic) mage who almost exclusively uses guns, usually against more traditional mages.

[@Voc_spooksauce]

Martial arts are good...but i've yet to see someone outsmart bullet

[@ikagura]

TF2 fighting game when?

[@imbreadth11r5]

@@ikagura The Pyro is pretty much a fighting game character in an FPS, due to his best and fastest way of dealing damage being through combos He even does a hadouken, he must have some knowledge of the Hado style!

[@Majere613]

"I mean, he took my gun apart with one deft move? How did he do that?" "Yeah, OK, let's go ask him.."

[@drumnbasssakuga9352]

I think the canonical logic that fighting game characters use martial arts instead of firearms is simply "these characters are so fast and/or strong that a normal gun doesn't pose a threat to them". If someone with basic to middling prowess in handling a pistol had to go up against canon Ryu, Ryu would probably wipe the floor with them, even if they were a decent shot. Also I don't agree that automatic/semiautomatic guns make martial arts obsolete, just more niche and not the main method of warfare. Krav Maga exists for a reason, and I imagine sometimes it is more optimal to kick, elbow, or pistol whip someone rather than shooting them point blank.

[@thenionx]

Equilibrium is one of my favorite movies. Thank you for noting it's importance in revolutionizing gun play in fighting games

[@Avalon64]

Bullet Ballet is definitely one reason why Black Lagoon is one of my favourite anime/manga series lol

[@mrpinguimninja]

Loved to see the paralel between samurais and cowboys being pointed out, and loved to see my man John Woo getting the praise he deserves for pratically inventing gun fu. Great video.

[@xidjav1836]

In retrospect, Happy Chaos use of the gun is introspective of his character since both hold themselves back to play Fun and Fair, HC limits his magic, while the gun as mention has drawbacks limiting you, and only in his Overdrive can both show there true strength unbounded, with the shitloads of damage, instantaneous, and leaves you with more holes than swiss cheese.

[@xidjav1836]

Also I have this hate boner with some guns having there Hitbox only be their muzzle flash, at that point their bullets are made out of exclusively powder with no shell

[@jouagu2019]

I was kind of hoping to see Sharon from the Street Fighter EX series in this list. Her gun is relegated to her super, when she typically fights melee, though in Fighting EX Layer, her gun then has ammo. It really makes the gun-as-a-super-only style somewhat unique to her, though I guess she would also fall under marksman for this in-game trait.

[@ENiceGeo]

There was nothing about Vermilion from the Toshinden series in here either, and not even a mention of Janet from Virtua Cop 2 who was in Fighters Megamix and had a at least one gun shot move.

[@crazykid3236]

We need more gun wielders in fighting games

[@ikagura]

Even Smash seriously lacks of gunners

[@realfromtherealreality4148]

There's plenty of great anime where characters use guns as their weapon of choice, but who could still benefit from a fighting game adaptation. One that popped immediately into my mind was "Black Lagoon". And in manga you could have "Alice in Murderland" (Not to be mistaken with Borderland). Or even Gantz. (Or Magical Girl of the End/Of the Apocalypse. A perfect mess of a convoluted but dope story for a fighting game.) There's also the case of BTOOOM! where you'd have a create a fighting game where everyone only fights using bombs. (And not small ones at that.) But if there's anything I really want to see, it's a fighting game adaptation of Gun Gale Online. (Phantom Bullet and Alternative from SAO) Think about it: There's a great variety of characters and weapons, and the video game Fatal Bullet, introduced even more insane characters with the now clear understanding of what everyone's abilities are. Like, Sinon as the mc, Kirito, Death Gun with maybe mechanics of instant death at a certain percentage, Spiegel, WhiteRanger and that little bunny girl who're agiles af, Kureha as a massive tank who powers through projectiles, the Arf-Sys, the protag of Fatal Bullet with his grappling hook and basic pistol, even Argo who could use rumors to debuff and buff stuff, or Itsuki and Ibuki who could straight up hack the game and give themselves unfair advantages at a cost. Seriously Gun Gale Online (is my favorite part of SAO but that's irrelevant), has so much potential as a fighting game where everyone utilizes firearms but in much different ways. Sure archetypes could be more common than others, there's a surprising amount of snipers in these games, while Kirito (And Eugeo in Fatal Bullet alongside the protag), is the only one who uses a sword, but even then no two characters play the same. I want GGO to get respect! And a good fighting game since it has even more characters than Alicization. Guns are expressive af, and GGO characters, while not very complex for sure, all have something different to express about themselves. Their character designs, weapons of choice, and abilities (Which you can't modify at all in Fatal Bullet apart from DLC outfits), all express something different about themselves, which is logical, because it's a MMO. They all made their avatars the way they wanted it to be. To overcome a trauma and fight as if their lives depended on it which results in an aggressive play-style with a long-range weapon, to become the number 1 player in the world but fail miserably, to get off their frustration, to simply become their ideal self, to work on a bigger project, or to live the thrill of the hunt with real people, or simply because their childhood friend said it'd be fun to reunite after all of these years for a good game together... (And I haven't even scratched the surface of everyone's motivation. Especially the AI's.) Reki Kawahara gets a lot of flake, but I actually respect him a lot as a fellow writer, both for his productivity, and for always delivering on the character design aspect. I guarantee you A.B.I, a GGO fighting game would be amazing, and even maybe expand, on the three archetypes presented here!

[@seokkyunhong8812]

@AT Productions ^this, this is why we need less guns

[@ShibuNub3305]

@AT Productions That is quite possibly the worst game to bring up when arguing for more gun characters

[@ikagura]

@Trevor White 3 characters out of 70+, yay.

[@killercore007]

3:57 The funny thing about Snake in smash bros is that he would technically be classed as this, but doesn’t actually use guns in his move set.

[@MultiBoxingKid]

I’d say even more so, since he actually is using an arsenal and not just some guns. He would have probably had a gun if he wasn’t in Smash Bros.

[@Striving_Warrior]

That is probably a reference to the holy Saint Martin, who cut his cloak to give it to a homeless person in the cold winter.

[@younglink309]

I love cerv from sc for this. I can imagine the developers brainstorming. "So, our new game has characters with unique weapons. Swords, nunchcuks, all cool stuff. So what does the final boss wield'?" Fuck it, give them a gun."

[@AxelJVH97]

How fitting to use an Ikari Warriors theme as background music while talking about guns.

[@fredjones7530]

*Confused orangutan noises Where Erron Black?

[@timogul]

It would be fun for a "realistic" fighting game to include a joke character who's whole deal is that he has a gun. A real gun. Like each shot does 50-100% damage and is basically impossible to dodge or block or do anything about. Like round 1 second one, you're dead and there's very little you can do to delay that. Obviously it would have to be blocked out of competitive play, but not every character needs to be for competitive purposes.

[@edersonnico]

Well, bushido blade is a sword fighting game and it has no HP. The first hit one takes they die, and it has 2 gun users unlockable characters.

[@killerkraut9179]

Maybe old muzzle loaders wouldnt be that Op !

[@Zelldic27]

bushido blade 1 and 2 basically

[@potatoheadhaoy]

I think we just have to reconceptualize the way we think of game balance. A karate fighter can’t beat a guy with a gun. Therefore, the character with a gun should be op. To balance things out, we just give everyone guns, and to better the odds, some basic bullet armor. Then, we introduce the mechanic of aiming since shooting would be really boring otherwise. Uhhh wait did I invent call of duty again

[@alecgarza1160]

I'm very excited to see more of style select! Very grateful for all the content y'all put out there!

[@extremmefan7305]

So basically, Bayonetta's fighting style (at least in Smash) is gun kata.

[@Boggarthh]

If you give a character a gun in a fighting game, they should be able to actually shoot it.

[@MattwosRandomNonContent]

-Nack- Fang the -Weasel- -Hunter- Sniper in Sonic the Fighters is a great example of how even marksmen fighters can unbalance a game if they're not implemented properly. Which is odd because his is a _cork_ gun. One he can unleash rapid fire with. Wat.

[@RosalitaFGC]

The re4 Mercenaries soundtracks was such a good choice for the music of this video! Earned a sub, Excellent job overall keep it up I’m here for it!

[@felipearango4257]

"With gun kata -shows a nun kicking and then shooting a tank-" Thanks, made my day.

[@GeaForce]

Why bring a gun to a fight when you can bring a robot?

[@livingcorpse5664]

Something I find interesting is Noel seems to fight with blanks in her guns as a lot of moves involve the guns firing but not go full screen, like they only hurt with the muzzle flash for a lot of shooting moves. So, melee ranged guns.

[@Qaianna]

In a weird way this can make sense. Reduces the issue of what happens when you miss. Yes, Ryu can throw hadoukens all day long. One Spinning Clothesline to avoid it and it suddenly becomes the problem of whoever's bought a ticket behind Zangief ...

[@livingcorpse5664]

@@Qaianna Shit if Hadoken's were real, we'd have to raise the stands or make the ring be in a pit for the audiences safety. Maybe even put up some bullet proof, energy resistant glass.

[@vanagandrd4877]

I little late for the reply but what Noel gun doesn't fire anything most of the time, Bolverk primary functinon is creating a space time distortion whatever place the wielder is aiming at, making it a very powerful gun shaped wand more than anything. The "gun" does spit out something in her supers, but even then it's still mostly magical laser beam

[@MikuruX]

Of any character in a fighting game, I would have thought we'll see Vermillion from Battle Arena Toshinden in this video. Oh well......not too sad seeing as Petra from Arcana Heart was shown. Good video altogether.

[@SolidBren]

The mercenaries music from RE4 is a great touch. You really ought to be citing your music for everybody else!

[@LoDart210]

The beauty of fighting games allows us to explore how different styles and weapons can control space and neutralize threats, but more importantly allows us to do so in a way that ignores the consequences of fighting. Sure, a gun can kill you in one blow, but never forget that a single well placed punch can as well. Heck, in some cases, just sitting on someone while being bigger than them is a death sentence. I think as long as weapon or style can be employed in a 1 v 1 scenario, fighting games will always be ready to embrace and explore the possibilities that really can only exist in a fighting game, and that is part of what makes them so special.

[@QwertyVisual]

Equilibrium was a nice movie, great video!

[@alexbaker1569]

Great vid, I'm not a gun nut or a fighting game person and I still found this interesting

[@plainkapp]

I main ALOT of gun characters.... Happy chaos in ggst, joker in smash, erron black in MK, plan on maining ranger and/or hitman, play a ton of eltnum in uniclr and a few more......the gun doesn't make or break it for me at the character select screen....but I can DEFINITELY say it's the biggest fucking cherry on top. Great vid man. Keep it up!

[@electrolyteblend]

I could listen to you talk about this for at least double the length of this video. Keep it up

[@Missing-Peace]

I'll defeat you with the power of friendship and this gun I found.

[@brettdallman3885]

Style Select is such a good name for this series. Looking forward to more!

[@sonic30655]

I am just happy we are getting another series from you guys

[@ralphsunico116]

"God made man but Sam Colt made them equal."

[@user-ol1ep1yf8g]

I appreciate your work Mister. Thank you for making them.

[@jankarieben1071]

The last thing I expected was a philosophical discussion! Bravo sir! 😮

[@jaimedeleon1194]

The Gun Fu clips you showed from equilibrium were lovely. I would relish playing FG that captured that level of combat

[@ShawnWeeded510]

The clip for the "The Gun" is perfect fam. Underrated editing.

[@capscaps04]

1:28 Martial arts and guns does have things in common, a lot of the way soldiers, special forces, etc. use military guns like the shooting pose, reloading, switching, etc. were developed by martial artist for the army, wich makes sense since martial arts are nothing more than body position for attacking, and it has a long history of influencing any other form of military combat previous to guns.

[@MaoriGamerDood]

IT makes me Laugh knowing that AKIRA'S IRON Shoulder Is more devastating than a Gun. I definitely gotta get into putting in Votes in the future. I LOVE the Showing and explaining of guns. Lately I have been enjoying Weapons characters. EQUILIBRIUM is BADASS. and FIGHTING GAMES Proved a perfect EQUIL setting for all STYLES!

[@ultralowspekken]

Tetsuzangun

[@EastwoodInnit]

My favourite and funniest examples of guns in fighting games is easily Draco from Samurai Shodown Sen or Andrew from Samurai Shodown 6. The fact those characters exist in Samurai Shodown of all things just adds.

[@Zetact_]

On a semi-related note, a Symphogear fighting game would be real nice.

[@DylanYoshi]

I have wanted this for years and just want you to know that you are not alone. Every character gets an install where they begin singing. Including Dr. Ver.

[@Impalingthorn]

Not to take away from anything here because it's a great, interesting video... But guns are by all accounts a tool and part of martial arts. I know people forget this because there is unfortunately a lot of mysticism attached to the word due to films and games, but "Martial Arts" literally is just the "Art of War"; a philosophy in how to win battle. By all technical means, firing a nuke at another country would still qualify as a "Martial Art". That said, they definitely are as simple as pointing and shooting. Gun weebs will argue, but a monkey can kill with a gun. Gun maintenance, firing etiquette, and firing stance all become secondary to aiming and firing that bullet out of the chamber in a real life fight. We're talking about what is effectively a simplified, deadlier version of using a rock and sling to kill someone.

[@shangchi828]

Sniping is a very precise sweet science and art. Firing a guided missile nuke is rocket science. They're both the same concept as shooting a bow and arrow.

[@anothenblue2630]

Somewhere, in the post-apocalyptic future, a gang leader sneezes as he practises his dynamite-throwing martial art.

[@Impalingthorn]

@@shangchi828 That doesn't really have any bearing on what I said. The Art of War isn't one of skill, simply the means by which one implements war.

[@shangchi828]

@@Impalingthorn Art is a skill, like the art of shooting a basketball three pointer is a skill. The art of shooting a gun accurately in battle is a skill. From properly deploying a pistol or rifle from it's carry normal carry position to a position to fire is a skill. Drawing swords from it's scabbard, drawing pistols from their holsters, those are all skills.

[@jibdibb2210]

I had to pause this video and go down a vanguard princess rabbit hole. Never heard of that one before and I really like the animation

[@trsm7228]

My favourite gun user I'm fighting games is petra from arcana heart. I like her, because, while she's closest to the third style you mentioned, she still has a resource that most of your special moves and supers use up, so you have to be smart, but can still act at every range. This also ties nicely into her story, because Alexandra and Christina (her pistols) fire highly focused blasts of celestial energy, rather than bullets, leading to her attacks at long range being limited, while she is strongest up close.

[@hdh7934]

Mean while in strive: Potemkin: look at this tank canon and machine gun in my arm

[@justrashaad3963]

I'm just happy Noel Vermillion is on screen☺

[@chickrepelant]

this is going to be such a fun series!! bravo!

[@SpookySkellyman]

This was an awesome analysis! Keep up the good work

[@MultiBoxingKid]

Oh man, it's still so funny to see Ryu with a gun.

[@efronlicht1043]

Thank you for using the re4 mercenaries ost What a classic. Brings me back.

[@bazzman1680]

This series seems so promising, I can't wait for the next one!

[@Pabzooloo]

I can get down with this style of analysis. I've definitely seen myself gravitate toward the full arsenal type of gun user in fighting games, but I still find the other styles of gunplay cool too.

[@cryofigment4949]

Guns basically turned humans into glass cannons Imagine a zoner that could OHKO or 2HKO in a fighting game, that's guns if they were realistic XD

[@gnostechnician]

My favorite gun in fighting games: in the more recent Touhou fighting games, to demonstrate Sumireko being a modern girl and an outsider to the fantasy world Touhou is set in, she uses a variety of modern technology in her attacks. She also has access to the super with the single longest charge required in the game: "Gun Sign «3D Printed Gun»". She just pulls out a 3D printed gun, and fires a hilariously high-damage screen-long hitbox. That's her super, fuck your fancy magic bullet curtains.

[@raphaelmarquez9650]

Use a gun, and if that don't work, use more gun.