Super Saiyan Four Gogeta vs Cabba is NOT FAIR!

[@lonkstakes]

Your comments are KILLING me bro, y'all are funny asf😭

[@TheSuperGoober]

This video is really bad, ngl. We directly see what would happen to what was covered in negative energy while Old Kai was explaining it. In the vision, what was enveloped by the Negative Energy, in this case Earth, quite litteraly instantly exploded. Omega isn't just "laying waste", he was litteraly going to cause everything to explode from the Negative Energy. Negative Energy *is* Omega's Energy, it was still able to affect the realms regardless of it was simple erosion, especially since the infected things don't even get that polluted relatively speaking before they just explode. It wasn't just affecting the stuff inside the realms either There's also the fact that even if we assume Gogeta is only like 10x stronger than Omega (which in itself is ridiculous given how fusion works), Base U6 Tournament Goku or Vegeta haven't shown that they grew 10x stronger than Goku's God form from BoG. They absorb that same power into base, and then unqualifiable training jumps. You'd have to prove Cabba can completely one shot and no diff God Goku the same way Gogeta could to Omega, and there just isn't evidence for that. If anything, Gogeta treats Cabba like he did Omega. For Base anyway (since u know, Base cabba vs gogeta haha) This isn't even counting for how you deliberately left out Z Anime scaling (which GT is an official sequel of) in which Buu has multiple Universal and arguable Low Multiversal feats, in which GT scales hundreds of thousands to millions of times above, and where Goku and Pikkon fly across Heaven and down to Hell, Heaven which is as wide as the Universe, and this is a greater speed feat than anything in Super. Gogeta would litteraly speed blitz and one shot with no difficulty

[@MrRocketboy98]

@@TheSuperGooberI can feel your anger from here, but ur right tho

[@TheSuperGoober]

​​@@MrRocketboy98I mean, I'm not really angry, more so just kinda disappointed that so much scaling of GT was just either extremely downplayed or left out entirely

[@KidGoku-g4v]

There are many issues with your scaling tho. as you said gogeta wont touch universal but didnt buuhan already was gonna destroy universe7 which already is lowmulti to multiversal feat. and you didnt take baby vegeta warping kaikai realm feat either that alrady does scale him to way higher than DBS characters. is it just me that is getting something wrong or you are ignoring the scalings for GT. kakai realm would be a higher dimension to the macrocosm even outerversal in nature. Fusion reborn movie already has a feats from Goku affecting whole afterlife that is higher scale that living verse or anything for that matter. the base GT also was gonna destroy otherworld that already trancends the living verse. why are we acting as universe7 in DB is same as our real life universe? baby vegeta warping the kaikai realm will be the one of the highest scalings feats from the DB verse and would give even a farter character like kabito kai immeasurable/inaccessible speeds. Also you said GT goku didnt get strong after baby vegeta saga which is a blatant lie. rage shenron was able to tank ssj4 10 times kamehameha and nouva shenron was stronger than him confirmed by goku and goku was capabale to fighting him in base. so this is blatant lie ngl 17 was never holding back btw. it doesnt make sense for him to hold back as well. you can say he grew in power sure. but he wasnt holding back. why would he hold back against goku but then be at full power against majuub and everyone when we know super 17 was considering goku his biggest threat in series. dude am i missing something or you guys need to learn scaling properly. how is gogeta not universal when frieza from namek has universal scalings from living verse, do you guys ignore daizenshu full on. even if you do that how is kaikai realm not outerversal? sub space that was told to be infnite is somehow not universal? wtf is this scale. somehow it downplay both GT and DBS or is it a joke in community coz i see lot of people saying its for Agenda.... is it a joke.. or people actually serious?

[@gabrielvb678]

​​@@TheSuperGooberLong ass comment but you're right, base Gogeta was enough for Omega, who was 10 times superior to Goku and Vegeta, it seems to me a huge inconsistency that Omega survived the Big Bang Kamehameha Yet another example of GT scaling being very weird I also find it funny that people say that super scaling is worse or "busted" when it is simpler than it seems, nobody in their base states apart from Frieza, Broly, Vegito and Gogeta are close to soloing all Z

[@Handyrandy2233]

I love the hypocrisy with some DB fans.when it’s cabba vs ssj4 gogeta it’s a stomp,but when you bring up cabba vs super vegito of cabba vs ssj2 teen gohan,it’s “what no dude cabba cell games level at best”.

[@lonkstakes]

i think some DB fans just are bad at power scaling actually

[@jpfan4life812]

What makes you think that they're the same fans?

[@アオインク-k6v]

@@jpfan4life812they ARE

[@SosukeTYBW]

​@@lonkstakessuch as yourself? Mr multiversal tien lmao

[@StevenJones851]

There just bias at this point

[@HiroIsKheel]

"Pleeeease BASE Cabba I NEED THIS! Your kinda of too strong. My fans are struggling to back me up. I need to prove them right."

[@OrgAvi]

BASE Cabba I'm watching the stream bruh. Why you tryin not to laugh bruh

[@ImBatson]

Why is "Base" in all caps 😭

[@ReBolt590]

"Pleasee Broly i need this, my father is kinda of dead. I live with my wife i want to bring him back!"

[@StevenJones851]

Base Cabba wins

[@ey992]

“Cabba I’m watching your stream, why are you trying not to laugh bro that’s disrespectful”

[@bigyoshi5170]

“Cabba certainly has grown as a warrior.” -Vegeta “Hey Dad, could I ask you somethi-“ -Trunks *”CABBA CERTAINLY HAS GROWN AS A WARRIOR.”* -Vegeta “I think future me losing his version of you was a blessing in disguise.” -Trunks

[@lonkstakes]

Cabba truly is the Gogeta slayer that Kid Trunks never was

[@Gigglesisafish]

"Let us postpone this match for the moment, Base Cabba."

[@lonkstakes]

"That would seem advantagous for the both of us Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta (GT)"

[@elcalabozodelandroide2]

" i dont hunt rabbits with cannons "

[@Jsipki265]

The Agenda must be pushed at all times😎

[@lonkstakes]

It is a top priority!

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

EXCELLENT WORK. LONK'S TAKES GOGETA SUPER SAIYAN FOUR VS CABBA ISN'T FAIR

[@tiramisutimebitches]

This is bullshit

[@lucasljs1545]

An actual retard who gives money to this guy LMAO We finally saw one.

[@godzillakingofthemonsters5812]

Lonks: accept Buu as uni Lonks: GT is tens of thousands of Buus worth Also Lonks: this ain't uni

[@ashuraomega1000]

He's trying to say that Omega Shenron's negative energy feat isn't universal

[@SosukeTYBW]

​@@ashuraomega1000literally just dumb and inconsistent, goes to show that power scaling shit is only used for convenience

[@VictoryReviews]

It is the universe would explode from him simply existing. If he put his mind to it he could totally destroy the universe​@@ashuraomega1000

[@godzillakingofthemonsters5812]

@@ashuraomega1000 Except it is.

[@uzookafor8721]

​@@ashuraomega1000omega shenron on a low ball is 5d,he's more powerful than Buu han and kidbuu who are easily low multiversal to possibly multiversal

[@thechadlordboros]

“Am i perspiring? No, it’s just the rain. These fools could never make me sweat.”- Base Cabba probably.

[@raidenpainn1561]

And then he goes on to be defeated by Base Kakashi. "Madara, I need all you're power, this is base Kakashi were up against"

[@whateverwhatever4476]

@@raidenpainn1561lmao, even kakashi gets him

[@spritvio639]

I think you lowballed SSJ4 Gogeta because didn't cover a lot of the feats that should apply to him. For example the movies and Z anime are canon to Dragon Ball GT. So feats like Kid Buu about to destroy the afterlife, Buuhan's screams threatening the universe and more should apply since Base GT Goku by himself outscales them by the time he meets Rildo.

[@Tissuestrash]

he said gogeta is only 10x ssj4 goku….

[@righteousone5119]

​@@Tissuestrashif anything, base GT Gogeta should be 100x+ stronger than SS4 Goku because the base of the fusion is the combination and multiplication of the max power of both fusees, so it doesn't make sense for SS4 Gogeta to only be 10x stronger than SS4 Goku. Gotta push the agenda one way or another, right?

[@Tissuestrash]

@@righteousone5119 gotta use outdated gt guidebooks that make zero sense when you literally just watch the show to downplay ig lmao

[@Tissuestrash]

@@righteousone5119 bro says goku never gets stronger since baby arc but he literally shits on nouva shenron who was stated to be the strongest dragon he’s faced and rage shenron legit out scaled ssj4 goku then ssj4 goku literally almost one shotting omega shenron with a dragon fist omega only living cus his regen

[@yaxyagt3204]

The z movies can't be canon to gt if they were the timeline of events wouldn't make any sense

[@lonkstakes]

When oomf releases a video covering the same topic a day before you do 💔

[@kodjoxerxes]

Iykyk...crazy shot btw

[@rodthedigger2902]

Is it Broku?

[@omegafinisher845]

Salad also did this

[@rabbitcorp.103]

Yoo I seen that

[@1dfr33]

Actually watched his vid and was kinda disappointed. He used scaling from a video game to explain the minus energy ball rather than statements from cannon. Probs not the same person but who knows

[@ashuraomega1000]

Cabba: "Stand proud Gogeta, you're strong"

[@lonkstakes]

If you're not maintaining an agenda can you call yourself a fan?

[@ashuraomega1000]

@@lonkstakes Do you not watch the show because you're a Dragon Ball fan, or are you a Dragon Ball fan because you don't watch the show?

[@Flipitmixit]

Noo😭

[@SosukeTYBW]

@ashuraomega1000 he only watches db TikToks, not the show itself, where you think he get all his info from

[@sexybeast161]

@@ashuraomega1000this right here

[@Sword_Man_YT]

Someone is definitely making a “What If Base Cabba fought SSJ4 Gogeta” in Sparking Zero lol

[@AlmoatasemAlmobarek]

We also need a mod of Baby Pan Vs Z and GT

[@thegoldenphoenix3710]

You BET, I might even make 2 what ifs about it if I feel like it

[@LordAlphaGSP]

You was right

[@JustSomeGokuEnjoyer2]

Gogeta: SAVE ME BASE CABBA!!!!! Cabba: don't worry Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta , i am here to save you.

[@StevenJones851]

Awww that's nice of Cabba to do that

[@KAZ_Editz1]

Debate with me bro

[@JustSomeGokuEnjoyer2]

@@KAZ_Editz1 about? I never said who I think wins

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

Cabba wins because it's funnier that way

[@_DaMan_]

Nice try, but what's really funny is the GT fans' denial of the facts

[@jona.marc0]

I as a Cabba enjoyer, Will see the results and be entertained either way! . . . . . . . . . (After the video) ...I need to remember how obscene super Scaling is...) Great vid tho! 12/10

[@lonkstakes]

The agenda must be maintained!

[@vSpectr0]

I don't know if dragon ball Legends can actually count as a canon power scale there, but from what I remember in the campaign of the Game cabba is around cell saga Gohan power

[@NotJpTem]

​@@vSpectr0it doesnt count obviously, but what i will say is that the legends story has way more grounded powerscaling than the insanity that is DBS

[@vSpectr0]

@@NotJpTem reasonable enough ngl LOL

[@TCBlueFire]

You overlooked a lot of stuff from gt and never put in any other conclusion for , gogeta. Gt in based of the toei animation of Dragon ball and movies, that version is already stronger than the main canon, in that version kid buu was the strongest version of buu who was already universal scaled for destroying the kai realm. And End of Z goku was already stated to be the strongest which included vegito ssj. Making gt at the start already being strong. You also low balled omega and haven't even considered other characters of GT feats. Omega was destroying the macrocasm overtime if left unchecked,old kai even stated that. This is why gogeta toyed with him in the first place . This agenda gotta stop, you can't keep getting away with this 😭

[@blksmagma]

Where did you get that Kid Buu was the strongest version of Buu?

[@TCBlueFire]

@@blksmagma in the toei version of Dragonball Z. He was multiversal for destroying the otherworld

[@blksmagma]

@@TCBlueFire I get that, but I don't see why this couldn't be possible with Buuhan or even Super Buu. SS3 Goku was about equal with Kid Buu except for the form's stamina problem. In fact, Goku and Vegeta believed that Goku just needed some time to gather ki in SS3 and they'd kill Kid Buu. However, Goku was sure they couldn't take Super Buu when they were inside him (though that's still still weird based on Goku's own statements later).

[@TCBlueFire]

@blksmagma For DBS? Because that follows dbz kai and in that he's more of a universal buster because he got angry and was distorting it

[@Tissuestrash]

@@blksmagma ur mixing dbz kai and dbz it’s stated multiple times in dbz that kid buu is the strongest buu by goku and vegeta

[@ultraexcalibur1728]

So we're just forgetting the fact that GT Goku shook the Entire Universe in Base in the prior arc?

[@RainInTheSummer]

Cabba scales to minimum God Goku who along with clashing with beerus’ fist we’re going to destroy the entire universe including the the universe sized Kai world.

[@redfox-ss8pq]

Cabba cant do shit to beerus so shut up if he and beerus fought he would be dead instantly, some stupid ass writing wont make it work​@@RainInTheSummer

[@stitches1110]

@@RainInTheSummeryet that is a fear that isn’t replicated ever again despite stronger and stronger forms being used. The closest you get is Broly and Gogeta breaking the dimensional barrier in Super Broly. If anything the universe shaking is a fear more so attributed to Beerus and his nature as a destroyer than Goku imo

[@Mr_CalamityZ]

Cabba solo get good

[@Mr_CalamityZ]

He’s like God, Goku times 50

[@zephyrorsomethinh1528]

It's kinda neat seeing different powerscalers thoughts on this match up and how they wildly differ

[@RedShadowAMV]

Lend me some energy Trunks and Goten, this is Base Cabba we're up against

[@aguy3753]

"Hes such a skinny saiyan! how are we losing!" - ssj4 Gogeta "I do this for master" - Cabba probably

[@lolmuffins1]

CHADba: If SSJ4 Gogeta used 100% of his full power, he might give me a bit of trouble Caulifla: Would you lose? CHADba: Nah, I'd win 😎

[@rodthedigger2902]

Great video! Regardless of who's stronger, the memes are great!

[@FXRCEDASHITPOPPA]

Yea no. Gogeta wipes.

[@Dimpslilbro]

As lonk said in a different comment, we are a cope supportive community. Feel free to cope all you want. ❤

[@AlmoatasemAlmobarek]

​@@Dimpslilbro I only see Baby Pan victims here

[@david_8916]

The cope is too strong

[@lucasljs1545]

Lonk is a troll farm youtuber. Just report all his videos as scam. Nothing more to do. He is just trying to get money from trolling.

[@powerlevelvlog1089]

The memes go crazy

[@Khipher]

SSJ4 Gogeta wins because he got that shi ON fr. Cabba does NOT have the drip to keep up 🥱

[@Keijoz]

Basically any comparison between Super and GT just dies from the get go. By the very structure of the franchise and their choice to inject Super between the canon ending of DBZ and the canon post timeskip epilogue of DBZ. Because of that we know for example for a fact that when Goku is fightin Uub he is canonically at the strenght level and has all the abilities he will gain throughout the entirety of Super. Meaning Uub pre-training is strong enough to push back Gokus base form at the strenght it will be at the end of Super. And this canon event is also the starting point for GT. So as a result we also know that Gokus starting point in GT is already stronger than his base form in Super ever will be. So the only arguement you can ever have is to try to make a case for the transformations of Super being somehow so much more powerful that they outscale the combination of a significantly higher base power, more training and the transformations of GT. Which is irrelevant here as Cabba doesnt have any of the transformations (really) unique to super.

[@fisaldev3102]

People just really love to ignore the fact that GT is after Super, making ssj4 Gogeta the strongest character we know of in Dragon Ball

[@CrucialMutual]

“An authority on scaling” Alright buddy, let’s not get ahead of ourselves. That is definitely not something you qualify for.

[@elcalabozodelandroide2]

Seth is prob the best one for that tittle.

[@ashuraomega1000]

@@elcalabozodelandroide2 no lmfao

[@SosukeTYBW]

Lol authority on scaling but hasn't scaled correctly on anything for the last 5 videos straight

[@jamainegardner4193]

@@ashuraomega1000 For a long time he really was. Seth was the main reason everyone started to accept Broly being universal, Super being universal, Jiren > Zamasu, Frieza getting stronger during the ToP, comparing MUI to Gogeta, Heroes scaling and more. He basically revolutionized the powerscaling meta for Dragonball which rippled out into most popular fictions that get powerscaled. For example, before Seththeprogrammer, Solar System-Galaxy level heralds was the general accepted meta, and anything mentioning universal or multiversal was seen as highballing and wank. Whether you like him or not his impact as an authority on powerscaling back then isn't anything to scoff at. As for _Lonk_ being an authority?...Yeah no until his way of titling videos becomes the new norm the way Seth coined "stronger than you think/thought" and Tylearn coined "Why 'x' VS 'Y' ISN'T CLOSE" I will take that claim with a pinch of salt.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

​@@jamainegardner4193 just shows how dumb fans are

[@chakrafuji458]

Bro Gogeta slams 😭🙏 (let me cope)

[@lonkstakes]

We are a cope supportive community

[@omegafinisher845]

Watch Salad’s video. It’s on his second channel, The Salad Bar

[@Wizardwarlock324]

He actually does due to the massive speed difference, ssj2 cabba will put up a fight

[@pennylessz]

You don't have to cope. Lonks is wrong. Go watch Laughingstock Media's video on the subject of SSJ4 vs God.

[@laniswaray2220]

@@omegafinisher845salad saiyans video was weird , said omega was going to destroy the universe but didn’t bring up the fact it was going to be over time

[@FagnerLSantos]

1 - Cooler appearing in Super #17 Saga and the fact Vegeta knows fusion proofs that the movies are "canon" to GT timeline. In Fusion Reborn, Goku as SSJ3 shakened the Other World, which according to guidebooks, is infinite in size. This feat is similar than DBS Goku feat in Tournament of Power when he shakened the Void World, which is also stated to be infinite. Considering GT Goku as SSJ4 is stronger than that Goku, he should fairly scale to universal tier and Gogeta SSJ4, dozen times stronger, would be a high tier character in DBS timeline; 2 - Saying that Goku SSJGod is stronger than a hypotetical Vegetto SSJ3 is a hyperbolical assumption because a Vegetto SSJ3 never existed to Goku quantify this. The only fair assumption is being stronger than Super Vegetto. Still, this alone is a problematic assumption because, even if Super Vegetto wouldn't beat Beerus, Goku as SSJGod couldn't do it either. Goku confidence only came from using a power similar to his opponent; 3 - Cabba is strong as base Vegeta, but which base Vegeta? Resurrection F manga and movie introduced the concept of the Super Saiyan God power without transforming and Goku stated both in movie and anime that this is necessary to achieve the SSJBlue. In other words, this absorbed SSJGod is not always present in Goku and Vegeta's base form, they need to power-up as we can see in Resurrection F manga. Considering this as a state prior to SSJBlue, makes no sense for Vegeta power-up to a regular Super Saiyan after that, which means that Cabba scales to Vegeta's base without the SSJGod power, which downscales not only Cabba but a lot of DBS overscalled characters; 4 - C'mon, the whole idea of Cabba being stronger than Gogeta SSJ4 is absurd by itself. If this would happen oficially in a manga or anime material, no producer would do such scaling.

[@Ryujibarbarian]

Thank you

[@liquid47]

1. The Cooler movie isn't even canon to the anime as it literally can't happen within the timeline, so Cooler appearing shows that he exists in GT not that the Cooler movie happened, Vegeta knowing how fusion works is somehow impossible to learn by other means, not like he has a son who knows how to use the technique and saw it in yo Son Goku and friends return which I know comes out after but it just goes to show that it's not hard for him to learn it by other means. 2. Goku can go ssj3 Goku was also Vegito not hard to imagine how he could see a ssj 3 Vegito, Goku fought a suppressed Beerus and with that he thought even Vegito couldn't do anything, when he went ssj god he thought he could stand a chance now, thus he must be stronger then what Vegito could've obtained. 3. In the anime Goku still absorbed the god power as his base power and then learned to stack the god power with it, the scaling in super has always been stupid look at 17 he in no way should be near the level of blue Goku but he is cause that's what the plot demands same for Cabba. 4. This isn't an argument of what the writers would do, it's asking how they scale based off feats.

[@peanutmurgler]

@@liquid47I’m sorry Cabba vs Gogeta aside, powerscaling that goes against author’s intent is low-key trash.

[@liquid47]

@@peanutmurgler True

[@FagnerLSantos]

@@liquid47 1 - If they show Cooler and show Vegeta doing the fusion, it's obvious they are referencing past movies and inserting them in the timeline, even with it's inconsistencies, it's a common sense thinking they are directly connecting the story with past works. Also, it's not something Toei didn't before, for sample, Garlick Jr. Saga inserts the first movie into the anime timeline and Gohan's Hire Dragon from Turles and Slug movies appears in some episodes after Frieza Saga; 2 - Goku know he can do as a SSJ3, but not Vegetto because he never went SSJ3 as Vegetto. If he considered Vegetto as a SSJ3, he would be just speculating and this speculation could be wrong because he never went SSJ3 as Vegetto. So it's more likely he was refering to Super Vegetto because being Super Vegetto is something he lived and us as audience watched; 3 - #17's scaling is not stupid when you remember that Gero's experience gave him a power superior to a Super Saiyan with no training. Then he trained for 13 years since Cell Saga, #17's potential was better written on Super than Frieza. About the SSJGod stacked power, this is also not permanent because, if it was, there would be no reason for Goku and Vegeta using SSJGod as a transfomation again and maybe they wouldn't even have access to blonde SSJ anymore because this permanent SSJGod power would make their SSJ be the SSJBlue all the time after they training with Whis; 4 - It is. If you think as a writer, you will not highball or lowball your characters that much and you'll made better scales based on feats, but also considering the whole context of the story.

[@Krypton2113]

GT Gogeta one shots so hard 😭🙏

[@RoseRose-cc6ys]

You’re coping so hard it’s crazy

[@brianhernandez3457]

@@RoseRose-cc6yszip it up once you’re done lil bro

[@RoseRose-cc6ys]

@@brianhernandez3457 nice pep talk to yourself

[@TheDanger-s5m]

When are you going to make a new vid?

[@Krypton2113]

@@TheDanger-s5m very soon. I'm trying to make a video on GT Goku vs super Goku to settle the score

[@say_official_ty]

Idgaf anymore, The community is toxic which i find it funny 😂

[@Xenoblade47]

Super toxic for sure

[@msbkaioken136]

This video is so much better than salad bars. Terrible video on the same topic from yesterday. Maybe you should do a response to that video that could be pretty fire.

[@sethyarbrough5204]

Are... are you just flat out ignoring base GT Goku nearly destroying all of Otherworld just by powering up? Is this seriously what you're doing?

[@FirstnameLastname81206]

When did this happen?

[@sethyarbrough5204]

@@FirstnameLastname81206 When he fights Frieza and Cell in hell. The afterlife shakes violently as he powers up to Super Saiyan and King Yemma prays he doesn’t blow up Otherworld.

[@gamemastery3532]

Ok and that is just one part of Uni 7 best feat in GT is stil worst then SSG Goku in BoG

[@sethyarbrough5204]

@@gamemastery3532 Otherworld isn’t just a part of Universe 7, it’s most of it. Heaven itself is the same size as the mortal universe and it’s just a small planet there. Base Goku from GT should be directly comparable to Base Goku in Super.

[@sethyarbrough5204]

@@gamemastery3532 Besides, Lonk has flawed logic about Omega’s power. If you have enough energy to freely transmute something, that would require much greater power than it takes to simply destroy it.

[@sketchysketches381]

This is gonna be a hard pill for GT glazers to swallow

[@azimuddin1890]

Hmm, I kind of disagree, I think S.S.4 Gogeta is much stronger. Earlier in G.T, Base Gokou grew much stronger from fighting lvl.3 Lord Lood, to a fused Sigma Force. Lord Lood lvl.3 tanked a blast from both Gokou & Trunks in tier Super Saiyajin 4 forms. Later on, Gokou then says he hasn’t felt an awesome power in a while until he met the Sigma Force, and wehen they fused, he beats them. To scale: Base Gokou - 1 S.S.Grade.4 - 50 (at least) Kamehameha 100 Lord Lood lvl.3 - 200 Sigma Force - 200 Super Mega Cannon Sigma - 600, why x3? Cause it’s a fusion of three of them, not the green one. Base Gokou - 900 This is on top of him being equal to his S.S.3 power, at least, back in End of Z as he fought Oob who he thought was great as he expected. So that’s a x360,000 increase from his end of Boo Saga Base power. Going S.S.3 puts him at x144,000,000 stronger in total. He fought Rildo who was stronger than Boo, and not being specific, it’s just means he’s stronger than all Boos since Boo was the last great power in Z, so it’s meant to hype him up. Bebi is a parasite that can absorb and make his power of his hosts, and make it his own. Bebi had absorbed Rildo’s power, who was at least equal to S.S.Grade.4 Gokou, and Base Gokou and co fought him in Base. This puts Gokou over x50, maybe x100, so x36,000,000 in total from end of Boo Saga. Goten then fought Bebi, who Gohan (who in guides was said to have continued training) was fighting Goten in his S.S.Grade.4 form, without even using the same form. Base Gokou beats Gohan & Goten in their Super Saiyajin Grade 4 forms so he scales above them. To scale in total. End of Base Gokou - 1 End of DragonBall - 400, at least S.S.Grade.4 - 20,000 Kamehameha - 40,000 Lord Lood lvl.3 - 80,000 Sigma Force - 80,000 Super Mega Cannon Sigma - 240,000 Base Gokou - 360,000 S.S.Grade.4 - 18,000,000 Hyper Meta Rildo - 18,000,000 Bebi - 18,000,000 Base Gokou - 27,000,000 S.S.Grade.4 Goten - 18,000,000 Base Gohan (or Ultimate Gohan?, possibly he can stack forms in G.T which sounds cool) - 18,000,000 S.S.Grade.4 Gohan - 900,000,000 Base Gokou - 1,575,000,000 S.S.3 - 630,000,000,000 Super Saiyajin Grade 4 Bebi Vegeta (just Vegeta with silver hair) - 630,000,000,000, Gokou said they’re evenly matched. Super Bebi 1 - 1,260,000,000,000 Super Bebi 2 - 5,040,000,000,000, both this, and the other form resemble S.S.Grade.5 and S.S.3 Golden Oozaru - 6,300,000,000,000, he was smacking Bebi around. Golden Oozaru Bebi - 2.016E14 Super Saiyajin 4 - 1.953E14, Elder Kai said that Gokou had an edge in speed while Bebi had an edge in strength X10 Kamehameha - 3.78E15 Super Saiyajin 4 - x124,000, gonna round it up to x120,000 for later scaling. Rage Shenron - 7.56E15, he caught S.S.4’s attack Nova Shenron (before transformed) - 1.512E16, Gokou said he was stronger than all the previous Dragons, and was equal to him in Base. Base Gokou - 7.56E15 S.S.4 - 9.072E20 X10 Kamehameha - 1.8144E22 Syn Shenron - 3.6288E22 Ultra Full-Power S.S.4 - 5.4432E22 Omega Shenron - 3.6288E23 Super Saiyajin 4 Gogeta - 5.4432E24 Also G.T is part of Z anime, which scales higher than the manga, which I think Super (anime) scales off of, at least Kai.

[@DEVmags_]

Loud and wrong

[@Anewstart434]

“Stand Proud SS4 Gogeta… You Are Strong.”

[@rabbitcorp.103]

Dont forget that the movies r cannon to gt, Goku shook the entire afterlife just by powering up to ss3 JUST BY POWERING UP, keep in mind this was wayyyy before gt happens then goku trains with uub for years then gt happens Now super goku only put in half the power to shake the entire universe(goku was going all out and still could only do half, the only reason the full universe shook is because of beerus matching gokus power

[@ashuraomega1000]

The movies are not canon to GT

[@bigheadJackman99]

@@ashuraomega1000Cooler is in gt and Goku knows the Dragon fist try again buddy

[@ashuraomega1000]

@@bigheadJackman99 that doesn't mean they are connected, at best those just boil down to references to the movies.

[@IM-T0XIC]

Well for starters saying goku could do half is wrong in its own right. Both goku and beerus were stated to still be throwing macrocosm punches at each other even after the Shockwave etc. Also the reason the Shockwave actually happened was because god goku wasn't able to control it at first. So he had to control it and manage to punch at the same angle and use the same amount of force beerus used. If it was just because of beerus then goku would've been damaged. After that, he and beerus started going all out

[@bigheadJackman99]

@@ashuraomega1000 Yes they are connected to the timeline released by Shueisha. Don’t make up your own headcanon

[@kazeguy8869]

FOR THE AGENDA!!!

[@CCCarranza]

Seeing all these videos are funny af. This meme got crazy because super scaling is wacky. In reality though if these two appeared in any offical media together Toei would absolutely portray Gogeta as the stronger of the two

[@righteousone5119]

By a LONG shot too. Hell, they'd probably portray him being able to give UI Goku a run for his money seeing as it's the fusion of a Goku and Vegeta who had reached their peak

[@Daan-Dovah]

​@@righteousone5119and by feats alone Gt is ahead of super actually Shigoku space feat, people try to down play it saying it was already collapsing but that's wrong, the outside was an infinite collapsing void but the inside was its own infinite space capable of resisting a infinite collapsing void which already puts base gt goku before his tail above mui goku during t.o.p No matter how you see it, Gt is meant to be the underdog of dragonball

[@rytb09-gaming]

Popularity contest

[@pasty188]

And if you forgot the statement by toy animation Super Saiyan 4 After obtaining the pinnacle of Saiyan Power, you become Super Saiyan 4. When you draw out the ultimate battle power, not even beings with Godly Ki can stand in your way. You're able to break through your limits in this form but you will have to put up with the extra hair on your body! As a Super Saiyan 4, your Dragon Fist will be your greatest weapon. With an attack potential unlike any other in Dragon Ball History, even Whis is afraid! The black and red look portrays a powerful warrior, and that's what you are. After controlling the power of the Golden Oozaru, your power changed once again. Whilst in this form, you may feel a lust for battle, but with a pure heart you will be able to overcome this. Always remember to keep an eye on that tail because if you lose it, you may not be able to transform back into Super Saiyan 4. Unless you have an Ultra Bruits Wave Emitter nearby.

[@jasonarendse943]

GT characters are truly underrated, ssj4 Gogeta beats Cabba, you can not convince me, search many GT scaling video, from Saiyan scholar, official divine, etc

[@D-Pooly]

Lonk can't tell the difference between different continuities and how the scaling changes between anime and manga, I wouldn't take any of his analysis seriously, he will always be off

[@TakeshiInazuma]

Saiyan Scholar is a massive GT glazer, bro. I'm not taking his word for it. He said Bebi arc Goku was 5D.😂😂😂

[@liammcguire1954]

Ah yes, Saiyan Scholar the one who is super biased when it comes to GT is totally reliable! Trying to use Scaling KZbinrs as a source is not a good method as you just admitted that you got all your info from those videos and didn’t actually watch GT yourself

[@SosukeTYBW]

​@@liammcguire1954I have my own scale and can prove gogeta curb stomps alot of dbs characters

[@bigheadJackman99]

@@TakeshiInazumaWhen did he say Gt Goku was 5d?? Stop making up random Bs

[@SoundwaveSC]

Thank you for being smart enough to recognise that Omega Shenron destroying the universe is very different from like, nuking it. People really take shit so literally. He destroys it the same way I could destroy a house by taking a steel bat to the walls, roof and floors, rendering it uninhabitable and in a terrible state.

[@ashuraomega1000]

Idk why but the house comparison made me laugh

[@96montecarlo1]

Yeah…..Super’s Scaling is just that broken….on the other hand the memes are absolutely hilarious 😂 I seen one where Base Cabba is Saitama walking away from a defeated SSJ4 Gogeta in the place of Boros

[@claquettechaussette420]

I saw that topic on insta tdy i was like "tf you talking about" hahaha

[@averageshounenenjoyer5131]

"Should I save you, SSJ4 Gogeta (GT)?" "B-base Cabba!?"

[@WalmartWhite.]

cap (i didnt watch the video)

[@lonkstakes]

I agree, this lonk guy doesnt know what hes talking about

[@DBZ-FIGHTS]

​@lonkstakes yea, you're right. This guy honestly has no clue what he's talking about he should delete his channel. You know what I mean.

[@StevenJones851]

@@DBZ-FIGHTS cope and cry about it Base Cabba Solo's fiction

[@DBZ-FIGHTS]

@@StevenJones851 bro has no sense of humour

[@Ilikesceptile11]

Cap (I watched it)

[@alejandrocuevas3858]

I think it’s unfair to not include dbz filler in powerscailing gt since it directly follows the Toai anime which filler is cannon too, let’s not forget filler made kid buu universal, I recommend watching The Salad Bar’s video on it for a deeper explanation

[@blksmagma]

Even if it makes Kid Buu universal, all it does is scale up Super.

[@alejandrocuevas3858]

@@blksmagma dbz filler isn’t cannon to super, super follows Kai which cut out the filler

[@GodzillaSandwhich8111]

​@@blksmagma Original Z anime isn't Canon to Super. Z Kai is Supers canon

[@TangyGuest1]

Obligatory "NOT EVEN CLOSE" comment

[@lukejones7164]

Cabba beats SSJ4 Gogeta but he wouldn't beat End of GT Goku.

[@JojodioJoestar]

"Kakarot hurry! We must fuse its base Cabba we're against!"

[@Top_E_Official]

Typical GT downplay. You completely ignore that Buuhan & Kid Buu both have universal+ feats and statements, and Omega would upscale from that. At this point, SSJ4 Gogeta is decillions of times stronger than Kid Buu. Him saying that Omega isn't even universal is the same as saying Moro isn't universal just because Whis stated that he would only destroy the galaxy.

[@gogetathegod5066]

How you gonna comeback against the guides themselves? And the statements shown by the show? Lmaooo

[@detectiveplays]

Yeah but they're not destroying the macrocasm in a few punches They'd have to use there full power and ki to threaten the universe like that

[@Top_E_Official]

@@detectiveplays That doesn't change anything. It's still universal+.

[@Top_E_Official]

@gogetathegod5066 Upscaling goes first. With your logic, Moro is only galaxy level because Whis said so.

[@gogetathegod5066]

@@Top_E_Official there’s a difference between having the power to decimate a whole macrocasm and to overtime destroying it.

[@sarojandongol1482]

It's funny coz I'd just watched Salad Bar's video yesterday and Gogeta stomps. Personally I just feel that narratively Cabba shouldn't be a universe busting character. But man... if we're talking about BASE CABBA then there's nothing to argue. Not even MUI Vegito would hold a candle to BASE CABBA.

[@GodzillaSandwhich8111]

Yeah Base Cabba stomps. But base Cabba gets fodderized

[@Arekkusunotaijutsudojo-rr3qf]

Gt gogeta actually also scales the anime and movie feats and statements, like metal cooler tagging Goku during instant transmission, or frieza in his second form being able to destroy the universe.

[@Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1024]

Frieza in 2nd form probably could destroy our universe considering how exponential power levels are but the dragon ball universe is far larger.

[@maorfahima7315]

Cooler and the movies exist in Gt but that doesn’t mean the movies happened in Gt like Gt is after z but cooler has no place In z to be

[@DBZFAN4LIFE]

Perfect Cell is at Solar System level in the anime & manga, but yet people think 2nd form Frieza can destroy the universe. Come on.

[@SosukeTYBW]

@DBZFAN4LIFE literally can't even make it up lol that's literally what I was hearing when I was debating folks on the tien vs bleach video and a few legit was trying to argue universal tien cause they said frieza was universal, tien becomes stronger than him therefore tien is universal, literally the argument I was hearing

[@virtualplastique]

@@maorfahima7315If cooler appeared after hell fighter 17 opened hell logically that means his movie happened because he was killed

[@metalantares3865]

Imagine the developers adding this as a what if story

[@GeneFOX70]

GT Characters massively upscale from Buu using a Vice Shout that was going to destroy Universe 7.

[@TakeshiInazuma]

Hilariously enough, if DBS scales from Kai, then they both scale from that feat. The Vice shout was in the buua arc of Kai.

[@ashuraomega1000]

Buu's scream was only going to destroy the mortal realm

[@liammcguire1954]

So do DBS characters too

[@peanutmurgler]

@@TakeshiInazumaWhich simply makes SSG Goku’s feat something to be expected from a character that scales that high above Buu, while base GT Goku alone still scales astronomically above Buu from the jump.

[@GeneFOX70]

​@@TakeshiInazumano, the Vice Shout that Buu tried to destroy Universe 7 with was only in the original DBZ anime not DB Kai which is faithful to the original DBZ manga.

[@chee-o-tee]

Ok first off Omega shenron IS destroy the universe and it's HIS negative energy to do it 2. You COMPLETELY ignored the fact that he's doing it while STANDING STILL and that's an unreasonable low ball I'll show you guys what I mean, keep in mind I scaled this knowing 2× the power dominates the opponent so I'm using that to climb the latter

[@Stupaipai]

On the topic of Grade 4 Super Saiyan, I had thought it was as strong as regular Grade 1 Super Saiyan, the key difference is that it mitigates the stamina issues Super Saiyan has. And the reason why Grade 4 Super Saiyan Goku was stronger than Grade 2 Super Saiyan Vegeta wasn't because he had a stronger form, but rather Goku's and Gohan's training was simply more efficient training as Super Saiyan 24/7 lead to their base powers over shooting those of Vegeta of Trunks. Hence them using a weaker forms but still being stronger. By the way, I'm talking about exclusively about the Manga.

[@Balloonguy237]

This is the funniest debate ive ever seen in dragon ball

[@Balloonguy237]

But also I think no one stops to think about how cabba has probably been training for his whole life since the saiyens in universe 6 are also shoulders

[@hashi.]

i think the funniest thing is the fusion fanboys getting so hurt that gogeta loses

[@Balloonguy237]

@hashi. the thing is I gogeta is my favorite character but I also understand that super just has stronger characters, and I didn't grow up with ssj4 gogeta as my goat I had gogeta blue so I have a different veiw point from OG fans

[@mr.knightthedetective7435]

Z Filler/GT scaling is whackier then Supers scaling, SSJ4 Gogeta no diffs

[@RedShadowAMV]

Bro did NOT watch the video

[@Jsipki265]

Z filler=Super GT still loses

[@John--117]

​@@Jsipki265super follows Z Kai

[@Jsipki265]

@@John--117 The filler eps in Super would disagree.

[@liammcguire1954]

Z filler is in DBZ Kai too, so Cabba is also getting wacky buffs. Kai is canon to DBS

[@multiversl]

If there's one thing even more hilarious then dragon ball fans arguing with other Fandom's, it's dragon ball fans arguing with dragon ball fans.😂

[@achilles112]

Maintaining the agenda is top priority

[@lonkstakes]

🤝

[@skarloey1214]

Cabba + ssj4 Gogeta < Farmer with a Shotgun (Unloaded)

[@whooshbait4161]

My understanding of this whole thing is that it seems most of the fan base agrees that Super>GT in terms of powerscaling. And because of this, the GT fans feel insecure and are easy to troll. Everywhere I've looked, GT fans are biting the bait left and right. Most arguements against Cabba are also poorly made, for example something I've seen often is GT is after Super so everyone in it is automatically stronger (lol) which just makes this whole thing even funnier.

[@SosukeTYBW]

I don't gotta argue against cabba, all I gotta do is prove gogeta stands above even the best scale you can give cabba

[@sketchysketches381]

You're absolutely right. It's honestly weird but super characters get downplayed constantly and it's obvious that people are just more interested in which character is cooler. You can ask the same question in different ways and get vastly different answers. I've asked people if they think Cell could win a beam clash with ToP base Goku holding back and always get a no but ask them if Cabba can beat Cell in a beam clash and you always get some excuse. Same with Z Broly just about any Z character can stomp but ask if Kefla wins and you probably already know. It's exhausting

[@KCS-ep7tv]

@@sketchysketches381no, super characters are massively overhyped. GT characters are downplayed because the majority people arguing haven’t actually watched it

[@7Vile7]

GT being after super is valid in a strength scaling because we know for a fact end of Z Goku and Vegeta are at a certain power level so super can’t surpass that when it comes to super saiyan 1-3. So in this instance if a Ss2 Cabba is even stronger than Ss3 Goku for example it doesn’t mean shit because by the end of Z Ssj3 Goku is levels above Ssj3 in the tournament of power.

[@WIMouse]

@@7Vile7 not entirely valid though as Goku and Vegeta would be able to use ssjg and ssjb if it truly was the case hell Goku would have been using ui on top of ssj4 if it was the case, so while on paper it makes sense it also doesn’t work

[@FMBeelz]

Lonk you better be ready for these hands in sparking zero.

[@SyIynt]

Your GT scaling is so unbelievably wrong it's baffling 😭. The first god awful take I've seen from you, PLEASE do better 🙏

[@SosukeTYBW]

Just as bad as his scaling for Naruto and bleach, dude is just a dbs glazer at this point

[@PalewhaleN7]

Yeah, uni+ tien lmaooo💀💀💀 Not even a bleach fan but that's just straight BS ​@@SosukeTYBW

[@lightinstinct707]

Yeah he’s a Dbs sympathizer what do you expect

[@SosukeTYBW]

@PalewhaleN7 the reasoning is even dumber, I was in his discordband the only feat they point to for this idiotic scale is thst random sniper dude tien sacrificed himself to eliminate, saying because the others were "worried" means this guy must scale to them in power which means tien scales to goku and vegeta...how does nobody see there's a massive error in this logic

[@PalewhaleN7]

@@SosukeTYBW i'm waiting for that VS jojo one cuz i actually watched jojo, and i think he barely knows anything about it other than "za warudo ora ora wryyy"

[@IsaiahJones-rw1pc]

So Lonk, I've been watching your videos for a pretty long time now, how about i get a raise?

[@jamainegardner4193]

The better point of comparison is Vegito vs Buuhan. Enraged Buuhan nearly destroyed the universe with a scream, and Vegito says after negating it that Buu still could never beat him even if he could do that on command. It's not exactly *that* far off from what SSJG Goku does. Then ou oint out the 3 years in the HTC, but you make a much bigger deal out of it than anyone in the story does, to the point where narratively they're not much stronger than their ROF selves. Like, they probably only get to Golden Frieza's level. Meanwhile for GT, you repeatedly ignore that when Baby got to Earth, Goten stated that Baby is the strongest enemy they have encountered so far, directly placing Baby over all forms of Buu that Goten has sensed. I personally believe that Super Buu > Kid Buu, but if I use your take that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu, then Teen Baby scales to that. Base Goten then proceeds to clown on Baby harder than Vegito did on Buuhan. I'm not even getting to GT Gohan yet and already there is a character relative to Z Vegito based on your own takes. Then Base Gohan has to hold back on SSJ Baby Goten just to not kill him so Base GT Gohan is alreaady comparable to Super Vegito, and Goku in his Base form dominated both. Then Goku goes from getting slapped by SBV2 in SSJ3 to outperforming Majuub while just in SSJ. Even if you say S17 was holding back, he would still have to be using more power than he does against Majuub and SSJ Vegeta for Goku to fall for his ruse as Goku can sense how strong they are and would know what it takes to beat them. Since SBV2 was Baby Vegeta's version of SSJ3 and Majuub was relative to SSJ3 Goku (and Baby outright says Base Uub > SSJ3 Baby saga Goku), that's a 64x increase from Baby to S17, not an 8x increase. Finally he goes from needing SSJ4 for Naturon and Rage Shenron, to stating that Nuova is the strongest Shadow Dragon they've encountered, and proceeding to get the upper hand on him in Base despite running the gauntlet on four Shadow Dragons in a row by this point and being tired and hungry. In other words Base Goku alone by the time he fights Syn Shenron is stronger than SSJ4 Goku in the Super 17 saga, who is already 64x stronger than his Baby saga self, who in Base was dogging on one character who rivals Z Vegito and one who outright surpasses Z Vegito. And then he fuses with Vegeta who is relative to Goku in the same form by the time of the Shadow Dragon Saga. I can easily believe that Base Cabba solos Z. Hell I even find it easier to accept than the idea that a random fucking Saibaman can kill God and The Devil. But he doesn't beat SSJ4 Gogeta, especially not in Base.

[@SiNKarnage]

Well actually Buu wasnt really destroying the Universe, his actions wouldve inadvertently resulted in the Living Universe Devastation. What Buus scream was doing was ripping tears in the Barriers between Dimensions. If Buu kept up his tantrum, it would leave an open gap just big enough for the other Universe Dimensions (Like Otherworld) to seep through and cause the Universes to collide and implode on themselves. So Buus is essentially breaking the Dam causing a Universe scale Flood to happen.

[@ashuraomega1000]

That does not place Goten at Vegito's level, Goten never senses Buuhan's power

[@jamainegardner4193]

@@ashuraomega1000 but he does sense Kid Buu's.

[@ashuraomega1000]

@@jamainegardner4193 Kid Buu isn't the strongest Buu

[@jamainegardner4193]

@@ashuraomega1000 an argument actually can be made for Kid Buu as the strongest and Lonk himself ascribes to it. I'm playing Devil's advocate by using that.

[@Nameless_Godzilla]

Never would’ve thought cabba was stronger than ssj4 gogeta lol

[@KVI76]

Base Cabba Blinks and Gogeta is Gone😭

[@ayonhussainforever9390]

cope Harder 😂

[@Brep310]

If Sparking makes Cabba vs ssj4 Gogeta a what-if scenario, it will automatically be the best game ever

[@peanutmurgler]

Buuhan nearly destroyed the dimensional barriers that kept the other realms from colliding with the living universe and thus causing the entire macrocosm to essentially collapse in on itself. Enraged Buuhan quite literally scales above barriers that are powerful enough to hold Universe 7 itself together, and we know this because Vegito refers to Vice Shout as Buuhan’s own power. While holding back, Kid Buu is shown in the anime to be capable of destroying galaxies and stated to be capable of destroying the Kai’s Realm. He’s also stated by Goku and the narrator to also be capable of destroying the entire macrocosm if he weren’t stopped. I hope I don’t also need to delve into how astronomically high base GT Goku alone scales above Buu…

[@RetroMagnus761]

He was only going to destroy the mortal realm. It's only mentioned that Buu shattered a hole in the space-time of the living universe which caused a chain reaction where the barriers that separated the mortal universe nearly collapsed which would have led to the other dimensions within universe 7 to crush the mortal realm and destroy it

[@peanutmurgler]

@@RetroMagnus761 Nonetheless, the dimensional barriers holding the realms together scale above the realms themselves

[@Anonymice]

​@@peanutmurgler Actually that'd be an "unquantifiable" feat as we can see those barriers can be ripped apart by Multi solar system tier characters like SS3 Gotenks and Super Buu with one shout. Consistently damaging those barriers is what we're told will destroy the universe. Also, to address the Kid Buu thing, we see how he operates in the anime which we're scaling him to. He goes from place to place via teleportation and starts nuking stuff. Neither of these feats make them universal tier even if they can EVENTUALLY destroy the universe via domino effect or by blowing up galaxies one by one. On top of that, GT doesn't scale to the movies. Just like how the movies have their own continuities, GT has its own continuity. We don't know how the events of the GT version of the movies played out but we do know it's impossible, continuity wise, to have them all apply and even Fusion Reborn couldn't have happened. The events of Fusion Reborn have SS3 Gotenks, Gohan on Earth so presumably he's already gotten his Potential Unlocked(otherwise he'd still be in Otherworld with Old Kai, a missing Buu, dead Goku, AND dead Vegeta. GT having followed the same general outline as Z, with a few non canon characters here and there, means that it cannot follow the events of Fusion Reborn and thus none of its feats would apply since it's a different continuity.

[@peanutmurgler]

@@Anonymice SSJ3 Gotenks and Buu could only tear through the barrier that separated the HTC from the living realm. While it’s an impressive feat, the multiple barriers that literally hold the macrocosm together would scale leaps and bounds above that one barrier. While Kid Buu destroying galaxies is indeed overtime, we still have the statement about him threatening to outright delete the Kai’s Realm, to the point where Kibito Kai wanted to just leave the realm entirely. Kid Buu is also definitively more powerful than Buuhan in the anime (according to Goku, the narrator, and multiple guides), so the Vice Shout feat would upscale Kid Buu as well. I didn’t say anything about the Z Movies in my comment so you shouldn’t waste your time with that. I already believe they’re canon to GT via author’s intent, and I’m afraid there’s no technical argument that will convince me otherwise. Just trying to save us both time and energy here, I mean that in the best way possible.

[@crazymumbo]

The main difficulty is that other materials scale SSJ4 to SSB. Heroes has Xeno and CC Goku on even terms and DBFZ has SSJ4 and SSB Gogeta treated as equals. Without any newer GT specific material to draw from, it’s no wonder that we perceive SSJ4 Gogeta as so powerful.

[@D-Pooly]

"Would this make him universal more than 10 times over? unfortunately not" Not sure what kind of definition of the word you're using, but if Buuhan was easily able to destroy the universe with rage alone any character and form stronger can too, this is why SSG's ignored ability to do so with fists isn't that impressive But any character past the Buu saga can, them choosing not to is irrelevant to their ability to do so You're also strangely mixing the anime continuity with guides and the manga continuity 😂 if you can't tell the difference you gotta improve your ability to analize things and... describe observable reality Base GT Pan could defeat Cabba in his full power

[@ashuraomega1000]

Buu's scream was only going to destroy the mortal realm

[@IM-T0XIC]

Buu's scream was only going to destroy the mortal/living ream. Not the entire macrocosm as a whole. A lot of people get that mixed up trying to upscale buuhan. god goku was going to destroy the entire macrocosm meaning every realm that resides within it such as heaven, hell, the mortal realm, demon realm and much more.

[@itsreihart9865]

I actually said base GT pan beats Beerus on reddit as a joke & multiple DBS fans sent me d3ath threats. Not the first time it’s happened I remember when Vegeta versus Thor was on death battle & i told DBS fans that Thor does win they also did that.

[@IM-T0XIC]

@@itsreihart9865 okay what the heck. As a dragon ball fan, those people letting your comment get to them that badly that they send you threats like that is insane. Also it depends on which Thor you’re talking about but I can surely say Thor from the comics will fold dbs goku. I bet those same people who threatened you are the same ones who think goku is outerversal. This is why it’s best to really not get engaged in debates with dragon ball. It can really get toxic when it doesn’t need to be

[@peanutmurgler]

@@IM-T0XICBuuhan nearly destroyed the dimensional barriers that kept the other realms from colliding with the living universe and thus causing the entire macrocosm to essentially collapse in on itself. Enraged Buuhan quite literally scales above barriers that are powerful enough to hold Universe 7 itself together. Whilst holding back, Kid Buu is shown in the anime to be capable of destroying galaxies and is stated by Goku and the narrator to also be capable of destroying the entire macrocosm if he weren’t stopped.

[@disjoint980]

“Please base cabba I need this” “I’m kinda homeless I live with my granddaughter”

[@bigheadJackman99]

I really liked your explanation but you missed something that’s very important. Cabba is a part of the original manga/dbz Kai timeline. Gogeta super saiyan 4 is in the original Dbz/movies/gt timeline. The movie characters were way stronger than their anime counterparts.Base buu saga goku and pikkon traveled the otherworld in seconds and they can both one shot super perfect cell. Buuhan was gonna destroy the entire universe just by powering up. Kid buu in the Dbz/movie timeline is stronger than buuhan. Base gt goku said that Rilldo was even stronger than Majin buu. Gt gohan and gt goten are stronger than ultimate gohan from the buu arc and Gt goku beat both of them. Gt goku also powered up by accident and shooked otherworld. Majuub couldn’t even do damage to super 17 but Gt ssj goku sent him flying. Goku ssj4 and Vegeta ssj4 with a fusion multiplier would definitely be able to beat base Cabba. But if it’s super saiyan 2 cabba it’s really hard to tell because both Gt and Super have crazy power scaling.

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Im so godamn thankful for this video, people legitimately think that Omega is Outerversal for destroying the Living Universe and the Kioshin Realm, yet none of them realise that it wasn't Omega's own power and it was over time. I've had to explain that countless times. Cabba just completely washes Gogeta and GT. The literal best feat we know from Syn preforming is destroying a Galaxy, although its stated and not shoen, we dont have any reason to deny it. Omega becoming 10x more powerful as he states makes him 10x Galaxy level. Hes most likely a lot more powerful the that but hes definitely Multi Galaxy level. So is Gogeta SSJ4, as the difference between Universal and Galaxy level is in the Quadrillions. And that's just the real life Observable Universe. The Dragon Ball Living Universe is Infinite and many sources back that up. So realistically, its an Infinite gap in power between Gogeta and Cabba. Omega most likely was just going to destroy all matter in the Universe and in the Kioshin Realm. While Goku in BOG was accidentally outputting half the required power needrd to reduce the Universe 7 Macrocosm into a "Timeless Void" which means destorying all of the time wnd space inside every realm. That would also include the non cannon "Sugoroku Space" that people love using for scsling Base GT Goku (even though he made a Goku sized hole in an already collapsing realm) if you for some odd reason, include GT into Super's Continuity. I went on a rant, godamn. If anybody does read to the end, I do hope you have a great day and thanks Lonk's for making an awesome video.

[@Saiyangod41205]

This video has completely ignored GT's scaling entirely. 1. GT Goku scales off of Buuhan and Vegito, Buuhan himself was going to destroy the universe by collapsing dimensions. 2. Goku destroyed Sugoroku space. Sugoroku space is heavily implied to be infinite. Destroying Sugoroku space is a better feat than UI Sign Goku shaking the null realm. 3. In GT's continuity exists the events of Fusion Reborn and Wrath of the Dragon. In Fusion, Reborn Goku shook the afterlife, which is composed of multiple universe sized constructs. 4. Super Baby Vegeta's deathball has a statement of his deathball warping the fabric of space time. "The malevolent power of Baby's Revenge Death Ball was so exorbitantly strong that it distorted the very fabric space-time!". GT characters are nowhere weak and I think they deserve respect instead of blatantly ignoring the power they possess. For those that have reached this far thank you and let's continue to enjoy DragonBall as a whole.

[@Zyrdrakyll]

1) source : trust me bro 2) the space was already collapsing so ❌ 3) universe 7 includes the world's of kai, so that counts as well 4) "warping the fabric of spacetime? You mean the stuff that gotenks did in the buu arc? That literally doesn't mean anything

[@1dfr33]

Suguroku space is a less powerful feat than cracking space in the time chamber. It only exists as one layer of space time holding no other dimensional aspects. Time chamber holds not only both infinite space and infinite time, that time is more heavily condensed than in the normal universe. It's harder to affect multiple layers of a universe than it is to destroy a singular infinite dimension. As infinites do vary in size.

[@spicyboi544]

some ppl just dont like scalling gt to what it is. the base gt goku destroying an infinite space is one of them big ones. Also, the z movies are canon to fusion reborn so that also means he has that dumb cooler speed if u wanna go with that

[@SosukeTYBW]

Lonks literally can't scale, dude is terrible

[@Saiyangod41205]

@Zyrdrakyll Gotenks did not warp space-time he made a whole to escape the time chamber to return to Earth. The space was not collapsing. Only the game was collapsing, the caretakers wanted to keep Goku trapped, why destroy the place where they would keep Goku trapped?

[@extremelegendsupreme4596]

Honestly even if BOG ssg > GT I don’t agree with the whole “base saiyan > bog ssg” narrative that people throw around as there’s tons of contradictions like gohan before training for the TOP keeping up with ssj goku (episode 75 I think) despite piccolo and goku stating buu saga gohan > pre TOP piccolo training gohan or basil and lavender (who are both weaker than fat buu who is weaker than super buu and kid buu) keeping up with base/ssj goku and vegeta in the TOP (nothing suggests goku and vegeta were suppressed in base)

[@AI-MIX650]

UHHHHHH DRAGON BALL GT HAPPENS AFTER SUPER SO GOGETA IS STRONGER THEN EVERYONE IN SUPER AS OF RN SO GOGETA SOLOS🤓🤓🤓 (Btw i didn’t watch the video)

[@RoseRose-cc6ys]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@AlmoatasemAlmobarek]

May I ask what scaling these Cabba glazers are using? If it's game scale let me tell you that in Dragon Ball Legends SSJ2 Cabba couldn't defeat Cell on his own and needed Shallot's help also when Super Vegito fought SSB Goku and Vegeta he said in "I" quote the following:-- "From the looks of it, you've also gotten a bit stronger, but you're light-years away from defeating me". Based on these facts SSJ4 Gogeta no diffs Cabba

[@SsjSaucy]

@@AlmoatasemAlmobarek legends not cannon to main timeline.Arugment debunked.

[@WIMouse]

@@AlmoatasemAlmobarekyou still use unofficial things keep your mouth shut until you have actual evidence

[@TheOneAndOnlyJinglebi]

That’s the problem when the series scaling itself is completely inconsistent, the same way master Toshiba who was barely planet level after years of just growing older and not training is somehow able to throw hand with JIREN even if it’s just for a few seconds. Ask toriyama himself and he would’ve said that base gt Goku stomps all forms of canna narrative wise

[@andsuku7001]

Just curious. How come you come to the conclusion of "SSJ4 Gogeta may not even be universe busting" but other scalers come to the conclusion of "Oh he may even be far beyond multiversal" even when you both give evidence from the show and from guide books of equal credibility? Do you go into videos saying "I'd prefer __ to win so I'll interpret statements this way" or do you just not value / look at statements the same as other scalers in the YT community? (Best example I can give is Salad video that my friend showed me.) Video is great just like all yours, just curious if it's a mini bias against certain characters/series or if you just don't believe the statements / guides other people do believe, like how most of the time you will give a "Low Ball" "Normal" "Highball" that you believe. Where as in this video you kinda just gave both a single scale rather than high balling / low balling either character.

[@Jsipki265]

Mostly because it’s over time while in Super it would’ve happened instantaneously. Salad’s vid isn’t perfect especially since he scaled GT using Z while using kai for Super even tho Super references the original anime.

[@lonkstakes]

Fiction and power scaling simply arent objective things. People are going to necessarily reach different conclusions sometimes. It becomes an issue when either those conclusions are: A) Unintentionally misimformed B) Intentionally manipulated. Its why I never attack people for having takes that differ from my own, unless they directly begin the conversation first.

[@kodjoxerxes]

Well, keeping in mind a bunch of very, very different ways that both series are usually scaled and revered by fans...it makes sense that they always have differing opinions. I mean seriously, people read and still think that SSJ2 Gohan is stronger than Cabba/Base Vegeta...so it's not hard to see that Dragon Ball fans are heavily biased at times. Nonetheless, in either scenario, it doesn't change how good or bad a character is, but no one should ever just make up numbers to push their agenda

[@ashuraomega1000]

GT's scaling is often purposefully misinterpreted so people can get it to scale over Super (for a reference just watch Kazi's video on GT Goku's scaling)

[@SosukeTYBW]

I'll tell you what he does, he takes 2 characters he wanna put into a fight (or in other cases a character vs a verse) and if the character exist in dbs they just win automatically, all it takes is for them to be an existing dbs character

[@onyx6774]

SSJ4 Gogeta: I lost... Cabba:But, i had fun SSJ4 Gogeta: Huh? Cabba: Saiyans, Humans, Namekians. except for my master, compared to those i fought before, you are not bad, Be proud. You are strong

[@randomrave6635]

One thing thats not brought up here is the difference in scaling between the buu that existed within gts version of z (the dbz anime) and the buu that exists in the "cannon" timeline (dbzkai). Buu is significantly stronger in gts scaling due to the statements that he could threaten even the kaioshin realm. Thus making "gt" buu universal. Furthermore, goku wasnt just stronger than buu, he far surpased buu because if we take the statement that base rildo was already stronger buu, and then look at how much base goku, (in a kid body, before he got his tail,) was cake walking rildo to the point he had to transform, we can confidently say that a ssj4 who was able to tank a revenge death ball (that was strong enough to disrupt other dimensions) would be already be around ssjg bog goku (at lowball). Then we take into consideration that omega was significantly stronger than baby, then we can easily say omegas power alone would put him far above universal, not considering his negative energy abilities.

[@Buggy__]

“Sorry Gogeta, I was too much for you.”

[@pacman10124]

gogetacels MALDING at cabbachads rn 😎

[@DrugsAreForWinners]

Not malding when this guys calcs and explanations are REALLY bad lol

[@floatingf8783]

Cabba: Sit in shame, you are weak.

[@MAJJASTAK]

Well, often people just don't aknowledge the crucial difference there is between powerscaling and writing. Sure, Gogeta 4 is the coolest Saiyan form ever designed, but Cabba was WROTE so that he can hold himself against the Universe 7 characters, which by proxy makes him scale "way too high". Now is it good WRITING to justify how strong the Universe 6 saiyans are how Toriyama did, or is making the universe 6 saiyans that strong necessary to build a compelling narrative ? That's the question. Of course in an ideal world, Batman shouldn't be able to go multiversal because he wears a fancy suit, and power levels should have been abolished and sentences about destroying the universe not thrown so hazardly to make a random strong saiyan from another universe suddendly being able to destroy an entire universe easely himself, but mistakes and writing aren't so simple.

[@sketchysketches381]

I honestly don't know why people need their characters to be the strongest. Gogeta is cool af and Z Broly is a legend. Everyone loves buu saga Vegito but we all know how DB scaling works. I never heard people getting mad about the Andriods outclassing Frieza and Super Saiyan off rip. A guy built them in a lab. Same about the Z Fighters outclassing Raditz after training with Popo. That's just Toriyama's style linear threats and growth

[@googleeatsassdude]

My dad is omniversal and can beat up your dad.

[@locdogg86]

more like they forgot about the scaling to begin with. I bet the writers would let buu arc goku win because cabba cant transform.

[@kingades1013]

@@locdogg86They definitely would

[@nunobatista5822]

​@@sketchysketches381for me the problem is the bad writting who went too far in DBS 1- goku and vegeta fully absorving ssj god power in thir base makes no sense (being able to use that power in their base form its diferent and i can let that pass) 2- a stickman who never even HEARD about ssj can somehow be equal to a veteran warrior who trained for 2x longer and whit gods? Then he just easily turns ssj hitting for the fact that either he never had a hard fight to begin whit or that every villain or antagonist in U6 is absolutely stupid and weak, if they never managed to angry a sayan for at least a few centuries which is confusing since for them to be able to have such power they should at least have hard fights. I mean if they couldnt turn ssj at all i would understand their ridicolous high power but he just turned ssj easily than Gohan for example

[@Acent222]

Finally a youtuber with brain,no way ppl think gogeta ssj4 is even fighting on par with a surpassed beerus far less a cabba which is way stronger than a god goku from that time lol

[@EnzoGranzotto]

Omega is Universal Beerus is Universal and murders everyone Gogeta > Omega Gogeta > Cabba

[@dankerisgoated9311]

omega is low multi

[@inferstrike3544]

Beerus is not universal.

[@righteousone5119]

Beerus is easily complex multiversal+ due to the cosmology of DB which you don't seem to be taking into account here

[@EnzoGranzotto]

@@righteousone5119In Fusion reborn(a movie CANON to Gt) Gogeta in his ssj form beated a guy who put hell in a bubble,and we know Vegeta in the baby Saga was stronger then Goku (not ssj4) because Baby literally said so

[@elpopman2055]

Agreed. The guy books mentioned that super saiyan Grade 4 Is Just as Powerful as Grade 3 but without Drawbacks.

[@elpopman2055]

I want to make you a correction. A Fused Chatcter in Base Form Surpass A Two Fusees at their Strongest. Gogeta even in his base would surpass the power of super saiyan 4 Goku. You ignored the power of fused characters. Fused Chracter in Base Form Surpass Two Fusees.

[@superior-saiyan]

"Stand proud, SSJ4 Gogeta, you are strong." - Cabgoat 🔥🔥🔥

[@vegito_st1]

Not true. Idk what you all about. Battle of gods is canon to gt. Baby destroyed a realm above the instant transmission subsbase which is outerversal. Any universal feat for cabba will be shoved in his ass by base gt goku let alone gogeta

[@DBZFAN4LIFE]

GT and Z movies 1-13 are connected. BoG and RoF aren't part of the GT/Z movie dimension.

[@RetroMagnus761]

When did Baby do that?

[@vegito_st1]

@@RetroMagnus761 when Supreme kai used kai kai

[@Mohamed-dx5yl]

Bog is not cannon to gt???

[@RetroMagnus761]

@@vegito_st1 I'm pretty sure he only warped that realm

[@Kakbraze]

I disagree, but can you do gogeta blue against zamasu, because it wwould be interesting to know what soul punisher does to him

[@omaralmohammad1005]

I think bro and salad are friends?

[@walberparker7111]

remember that gt is a continuation of the dbz anime and movies, buuhan already was multiversal because he was about to destroy the dragon ball macrocosm, buuhan never did this in the manga which puts his anime version as massively stronger than the manga one, which of course buffs everyone after him, so goku in gt is definitively multiversal+, also remember than in the dbz anime goku and pikkon travelled an infinite distance in like 10 minutes so gogeta also has the speed advantage

[@FMBeelz]

And people scale ssj4 gogeta to ui goku😭

[@SosukeTYBW]

Lonks would tell you scissors beats rock cause paper beats rock while scissors beats peper

[@Mohamed-dx5yl]

​@@SosukeTYBW Lonk said it himself cabba wins agaisnt ssj4 gogets

[@WUSITME]

HEY! YOU PLAYED ME! I THOUGHT U WERE GONNA HATE ON BASE CABBA 😭

[@tyeboulive]

Wake up Gogeta (GT) we have an agenda to push

[@j.i.k2.044]

The GT perfect files puts Syn Shenron at galaxy level as well so everyone else before him scale to galaxy at best