Survival, Maybe... #54 Grinder Pit (A Space Engineers Survival Series)

Time to build a completely vanilla grinder pit taking advantage of voxels to stop the small pieces from flying all over the place.
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[@nonplayercharacter6478]

42 is the answer to the ultimate question of Life, the Universe, and Everything. Since you needed 42 steel plates (or some other amount, which is irrelevant) to get out of the hole you dug for yourself, I'd say that constitutes proof that Douglas Adams was connected to something far greater than himself. It could just be a (forced) coincidence, but that's not nearly as much fun. ;)

[@Splitsie]

I swear to Clang that there was nothing forced there, complete coincidence or cosmic sign are the only two options :)

[@nonplayercharacter6478]

I thought it was me, having 42 plates is one thing, but needing that exact number as the answer to saving your Life, which is Everything? I mean, wow. Talk about interconnectedness. ;) Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency is lesser known book by Douglas Adams, but in a similar vein to Hitchhikers Guide. If you haven't read it, it's just the sort of random adventure I think you'd like. If Capac hasn't read it, he should, he seems to live it. He kind of reminds me of Dirk. ;)

[@Splitsie]

I'm absolutely certain Capac's read it, and he loves the TV show too :)

[@nonplayercharacter6478]

There's a tv show? Nice. I didn't know, I'm going to check it out. What are you doing up at this hour? The weekends were made for late nights in both hemispheres? ;)

[@Valenorious]

I'd say that Splitsie, having 42 steel plates on hand, getting out of this hole he dug for himself is part of the answer to the ultimate question of Life, the Universe, and Everything. So let us all hail the new Messiah!

[@LanceDevonshire]

Blocks flying off grinders at ridiculous speeds is caused by the "tool shake" option in world settings. Disabling that option fixes most instances of it occurring. At least it did for me the last time I tried making a grind pit a few patches ago.

[@Splitsie]

Yep, I'll try to remember to point that out for anyone who wants to turn it off :)

[@macgabhann1108]

another point to add is the autominer seems to function better with tool shake turned off at least I think having it on is what cause mine to have problems when I was testing it out because when I turned it off the autominer started working perfectly, though there could have been some other unknown issue that i was unaware of.

[@bortolocecchini3462]

You have a missing blast door block in the main door of the base at 41.19 (I think maybe some debris/ore launched by accident?) Awesome series :)

[@SinZ163]

Earlier in the series it was completely solid, so it looks like the doors been shot at, or some rogue clang took out a single piece

[@bortolocecchini3462]

Yep exactly what I was thinking

[@Splitsie]

What on earth! How did that go missing... very strange, but I'll fix it soon :)

[@jirikukuczka9228]

Splitsie I suggest turn down speed for extending pistons in grinder pit. I think the speed is too much for grinding which may result to bits of things glitching through the grinders.

[@Splitsie]

I'll give it a try, fingers crossed it reduced the left over bits a little :)

[@jirikukuczka9228]

I think it'll help. Right now your speed of the 3 pistons is 1.5m/s (3x0.5) which is too fast. If you set speed to 0.1m/s on each piston than the speed 3 pistons expanding at the same time will be 0.3m/s. In worst case you could extract 2 pistons with default speed and enough distance to the point where only last piston will be expanding with speed of 0.1m/s. I hope it will be this fixed :)

[@chic_lets6861]

I know that I am replying long after you posted these videos....but I love your ideas....turntable, the grinder pit, sandbags.....amazing!! Can't wait to see what you do with the printer you mentioned. :)

[@misticfury9546]

my method that works for a grinding pit is a floor of landing gears and the grinder comes for above, i dump whats to be grinned inside a seal it the landing gears hold it and if part fly off they always hit another landing gear and gets caught then the grinders just stop right before they start grinder the landing gear. this always works for me.

[@Splitsie]

I didn't test out the landing gear, certainly a good solution especially as it would work in space too

[@casegard4324]

I'm glad you included the "evil" grinder pit in your series. These things are very nasty. I finally ended up with disabling tool shake in the options after I had complete cargo probes flinging through 10! armor block walls. My best attempt with tool shake on: - static grinder wall with glass/catwalk blocks in front of it and moving a wall of small blocks with embedded landing gear against it. The small blocks can make a very tight wall against big blocks so you can push even small grid pieces against the glass wall

[@Splitsie]

I was impressed with how effective the voxels were at stopping most of the debris, the situation was so much worse when I used an armor lid - likely similar to what you saw :P

[@egbertdefatt9259]

Excellent video as usual! A suggestion for base defense? Autonomous drones. Waypoints and docking to reload can be set into the programmable block. Just some food for thought...

[@Splitsie]

I would like to use some but the power cost of constantly flying drones is a bit much at the moment (plus autopilot has really not been liking me lately, even with scripts)

[@thewootpanda]

perhaps removing the outer drills and replacing it with a slope so everything is forced into your drills of death might stop the little parts gathering on the floor?

[@Splitsie]

Hmmm... I wonder if something like that would work - it might allow for replacing the bottom of the pit with blocks as well, just not sure if that would create a space for parts to fly out from...

[@Splitsie]

As in the parts that are moving so fast they don't collide with any blocks nearby (the reason I didn't just use a lid over a vertical pit)

[@thewootpanda]

you get the image right? like a ramp going onto your drill. I have no idea. but those little bits are gonna cause some problems down the line I think

[@blackshirt29]

This is just so much overkill when you can just paint it pink and let Bob handle it. Love it

[@sinickp]

You should add a connector above the solar panel the the version 3 sand bag. This would allow you from a ship to reload both the ammo and the parashoots automatically if you made a deployment craft to do just that. So make a ship to move them that auto pulls ammo and canvases from the base. Them have the sand bag pull those from the ship while it's being moved. Then you can drop it with out fear every time letting the shoots land them.

[@Splitsie]

That would certainly make rearming them a simpler task. I'll have a think about how I might set something like that up as I wouldn't want to cover any of the solar panel...

[@SinZ163]

I got a barebones design that puts a connector in on the opposite side of the solar panel, i.imgur.com/Qm6PtIZ.jpg I raised the turret by 1 block, so I can just do one curved conveyor tube, without lifting the turret you have a bad time. along with two (uglier and larger) designs using advanced rotors i.imgur.com/X2WvHPz.jpg

[@trwolf2k]

I knew that it was not a matter of 'if' just a matter of 'when' you would run out of hydrogen while down in that hole. We are learning your behaviors too well Splitsie. Also, when you dropped the control panel from your blueprint made me giggle so much, "Where did that go...." said by every Space Engineer at some point in their lives.

[@Splitsie]

Yeah, both of those problems are things I do far too often. I've been tempted to look at the hud upgrade to see if I would run out less often. I believe if the icon only went red when I had no bottles left I'd notice it more often and land safely :P

[@trwolf2k]

I think there was one HUD mod that made it flash at you when low, but I don't remember which one it was.

[@titogilbert2]

Splitsie, you should set up a sensor to detect small grids in your grinding area... that way when they are gone the pit will auto retract.

[@Splitsie]

I think I will do that, but it's probably not going to work perfectly - with the small pieces that are often left behind I'll need to leave the very bottom of the grinding area outside the sensor range, but I still want to do it so I don't have to manually control :)

[@hogfry]

From experience. It's A really REALLY good idea to bury your grinder pits deeply into the ground and keep them distant from your base. The blocks can be thrown out with BALLISTIC force by the grinders. And nothing will ruin your day like having your base/ ship bisected by a random high velocity gyroscope. I've also found a good design is basically a giant V. Where you have two sets of 3-4 grinders rows, facing each other. With each row set horizontally, with each lower row set one block closer in towards the center. An at the center a final row, placed at the bottom of the pit and orientated vertically. It tends to bounce parts back and forth inside the pit.

[@Splitsie]

Yeah, after all the tests I did to make this thing it ended up being moderately effective but still not much different to a simpler setup - was fun to build though :)

[@benmohatun]

omg Splitsie another 40+ minutes video, this a TREAT !! Thanks a lot !!!

[@Splitsie]

Enjoy! :)

[@sgt.gunslinger1532]

I would set up some sort of warning light/beacon to tell you when the grinders are on and off.

[@sgt.gunslinger1532]

maybe add the camera pan block/script as well

[@Splitsie]

I'm going to be adding the camera panning mod, it's just so helpful and makes cameras much more fun to use :) Also, absolutely on the lights, warning lights and maybe even a klaxon (though that could get incredibly annoying) :P

[@LinkHeroOfHy]

another suggestion for the next sandbag upgrade: red and green indicator lights, for when they are on or off via the script (or otherwise)

[@Splitsie]

This is a great idea, going straight in my ideas for the sandbag page in my notebook :)

[@mattp1337]

Or if they're out of ammo.

[@glenntanner3]

So Splitsie, remember how i suggested a large and small sand bag, well you can think of them like squads. Then you can turn a squad on/off vs individual or all. Might require slightly more planning, such as assigning sandbags to controllers, but would probably benefit in the long run. This would also allow you to limit the power usage on the smaller sandbags and only need to beef up the controllers. You might need to contract a script to find sandbags with the squad name which could be called as "squad action" from a programmable block or timer. Program->squad_prog %off%->timer (10 min)->squad_prog %on%

[@Splitsie]

That would certainly be an interesting approach, and give some good control. I might have deployed a few already but there's nothing to stop me updating the design even once I go to space :)

[@____5837]

You like doing everything in the most complicated way dont u. For the lid you could have just used airtight hanger doors given the pit is 4 blocks wide

[@Splitsie]

You are absolutely right, I completely forgot about them, definitely going to change my plans now :)

[@mattp1337]

But the lid is Splitsie AF.

[@DavidR575]

If you have an antenna on your base, you can stand in the pit and still adjust your sensor ranges using the shift + K menu, instead of flying in and out of the pit. And now I must go design my own grinder pit, thanks for the inspiration!

[@Splitsie]

Yep, I often forget things like that when I'm chatting to myself :P

[@LoriH2O]

I vote for large grid turrets for the new sandbags :D Also, you might consider putting welders for the grinders for when they are fully retracted so that any damage caused during grinding is repaired. I'd also slow down the forward movement of the grinders a lot... as that's part of why things are being ejected from the pit. :)

[@Splitsie]

I'd have to make the whole thing large grid for that though, since I want them to be printable in the future :) Nice idea about the welders, they'd be super easy to set up in the current configuration too :)

[@LoriH2O]

If you don't mind having two projectors... could maybe have the small grid stuff printing out under the large grid and do it in a way such it's easy to attach them. A little bit more work... but you basically just grind off the turret, hit attach, grind off the base. Could be fun if fiddly... but those large turrets sure have a lot more range! :D

[@thewootpanda]

42 the meaning of life the universe and everything

[@ctsquad501st3]

This is the reason why I liked but there are many points in time where I would have wanted to like more

[@Frank-ys4yz]

You can raise your grinder wall a little bit using another piston or rotor, and then you can put blocks on the floor. The voxels under the floor will still stop flying pieces.

[@Splitsie]

Sadly then the grinders would grind down the floor :( I had been thinking of doing that and just having floor until the closed off part but now it's built it would be a very large amount of work to set up :/

[@NicolasNeumannNick]

I love the episodes in which you get a whole project done and not extent it over multiple ones. Too bad there aren't two thumbs up to give

[@Splitsie]

Thanks :) I try my best to get things done in one go, at least the main parts, sometimes I just get distracted part way through :P

[@peters2928]

Something to note with the sandbag on/off transmitter is that the antenna from the base will likely reach all of the base defense ones. If your vehicle antenna reaches the base, it will be repeated. Also the sandbags themselves can act as repeaters. This might come back to bite if you're going to use them for aggressive behavior, as the base defense ones might turn off when you only meant for the ones near you to turn off. Also seeing your test run of the grinding pit, I would have suggested making the area that the non-active grinders pass deeper, collecting bits so that the grinders don't have trouble with them while backing away; but if you're going to be pushing stuff into the grinding area from there, it wouldn't work.

[@Splitsie]

That's a good point, I'll have to keep that in mind if I have any forward positions that are reachable by antenna relay :) What I could do with the part where they go past is dig the pit deeper, put a platform on a piston there and push it up when they are going in, drop it before the grinders turn on, then return to the lifted position when the grinders reset... crazy complicated but would allow for the pushing forward of all those little bits each time :)

[@Frank-ys4yz]

I don't think that messages transmitted by programmable blocks will be relayed. Only sandbags that are in the range of your antenna (You do not need to be in range of the sandbag's antenna) will receive the message. However, you can always write a script in the base and manually relay the message.

[@headp3]

Gotta make a comment. Yes this is years ago so I realize that this is younger less experienced Splitsie but honestly surprised the lid for the grind pit wasn't just put on a piston that lowered from the roof using blast doors. Splitsie today would've had is spin flip and rotate into position! 😉

[@Forcemaster2000]

Your grinding pit is just begging for a visit from the Great Lord Clang!

[@Splitsie]

I think my whole base is, but I've been fortunate so far so I'm going to keep on pushing my luck :)

[@jeremyswain9842]

The Great Lord of Clang is surely to pay a visit to your wonderful base. Lets just hope he(or she) is not in the mood for clanging

[@Ajaxbreaker]

Quick thought - set one of the pistons to a quick speed, and the other two to ultra slow. This will mean it moves the first 3 meters very quickly, then slow to a crawl when doing the actual grinding. Might help you avoid clang and random pieces escaping without making the whole process take forever.

[@Splitsie]

In the future I'm just going to drop the pieces of salvage straight in the hole, so I think I'll set them all to a slow speed to be able to safely push the salvage into the covered part of the hole, but to make things more efficient I'm going to be piling a few pieces up so that I can grind a bunch at once rather than having it take a few minutes for each tiny piece :)

[@MuchGusto]

For safety reasons: might want to put some railing around the pit. Might just fall off! Also, the sloped blocks that make the transition from block into rock a bit better: it would look even better building the smallest slopes underneath. Great video Splitsie! Keep up the great content!

[@Splitsie]

Absolutely, can't have a giant pit without OH&S compliance ;) I might replace the current lid design with airtight hangar doors so will likely need a complete redesign of the transition to the voxels

[@MuchGusto]

Splitsie Good luck! Looking forward for the next update :D Still loving the series so far!

[@nullblasterthevoidmaker1750]

I thought of some stuff you could put on the Tick's parking LCDs. On one a battery readout, in another, a script to tell you how much ammo or other stuff it has, and a texture that changes for when the Tick is docked or not.

[@Splitsie]

Those are good thoughts - I still haven't actually filled those LCDs yet so I should probably get on to that :P

[@dragonpc8258]

was thinking that a grinding pit with voxels would work best going down into a hole much better than it would going sideways into one having to push parts... it would require having to lift then slide to the side to allow more input, but you'd have far less issues in the long run i would think. but that's just my two cents. 8) loving the series!

[@Splitsie]

That would certainly have been an option, might have been fun to design it that way too - I just didn't think of it at the time :P

[@simoncox6843]

you can use air tight hanger-doors for the hole

[@Splitsie]

I could, you're right as it's the proper size... I think I might ditch the complex mechanism and try that out :)

[@jasonwrathorn9281]

Disclaimer - I never played space engineer so i don't know if this works, or has huge problems. I know you are already pushing it, which is interesting. But, is there any chance you can add some grinders to the back side of the grinding wall, either facing down or back. They might help you pick up some of the bits sitting on the ground. Additionally you might limit the bits flying around if you have the pistons extend/retract slower.

[@Splitsie]

I think it's worth trying to move the pistons slower, as to the parts that ended up behind, I might be able to add some rear mounted grinders, I'll have to think about whether I've got enough room so they won't grind the back of the other grinders though :)

[@Dragonheng]

Hangar doors for more safty?

[@Splitsie]

I totally forgot about airtight hangar doors, I'm totally going to use them now :)

[@totalal4601]

Another great episode, congrats on 14k subs!

[@Splitsie]

Thanks Allan, glad you enjoyed it, I had fun designing this one :)

[@rudolfcopieckelberg4239]

While drilling surface rocks, I noticed some ore actually phased into the rock voxel and stood on the ground voxel. I could see it inside with the expectator cam and actually collect it through the voxel surface. I think using the voxel as a containing wall might mean some bits and pieces phasing into the ground voxel (and falling into the planet), since the voxel is more like a hollow surface than actual "material volume". I don't know how much of it is a problem, since they **might** get cleared from game's memory once it reaches a certain distance inside the planet

[@Splitsie]

That is entirely possible, I didn't see any there, but it certainly could be happening. If it does it should be cleared by the trash cleanup though :)

[@yakuzaofborg8862]

the stone you found rolling around is coming from the ejector on the butterball pulling from your base

[@Splitsie]

Oh, that's almost certainly what it is! Thanks I don't know how long it would have taken me to see that :P

[@DarkPhoenixDack125]

Setting rotor limits out of what the rotors are already at? Stupidly entertaining.

[@Splitsie]

It sure can end badly sometimes :P

[@draigevykhait6141]

was on holiday for the last 2 weeks so i could watch 4 new videos after another and now you release the 5th the next morning :3 you are awesome :D

[@Splitsie]

Hope you had a great holiday :)

[@BillWiltfong]

11:21 - was that a Dig Dug sound effect when you started drilling? Haha, awesome.

[@Splitsie]

Gotta love the weirdness of sped up sound effects :)

[@NARSAonline]

Is there a way that you could make a sort of radar listening station that could control the transmit/receive script? So if an enemy vessel got within or left a certain range, that it would activate/deactivate the sandbags automatically? Also, I think it would be cool if you had a geosyncronous satellite in orbit over your valley that you could remote into and look around with the camera, kind of like a spy satellite.

[@Splitsie]

I'm not sure to be completely honest, it would have to be a script and I haven't got enough understanding of the limitations of the API to know if I can set that up, would be cool if it's possible though :) I'd like to do something like that, maybe a solar powered vehicle that can stay permanently up there would be cool - haven't tested what that requires to stay up through the night though, as I don't think you can see all that much at full zoom from the edge of the gravity field

[@macgabhann1108]

i am not sure about the radar as i have never done scripts in SE , though i am sure someone out there could probably figure that one out, and for the satellite i think you should definitely do that would be interesting to see how you go about getting a satellite up into orbit as well as what the power requirements would be to maintain it indefinitely.

[@NARSAonline]

MacGabhann a satellite with a projector would be a good place to launch the missiles from too...

[@macgabhann1108]

Kyle Brown now that would be an awesome way to strike down at the enemy bases you you should try that Splitsie

[@Frank-ys4yz]

Then you will need to ship all your components from base to the satellite... Asteroids are far away from planets.

[@Tilion462]

I'd maybe try messing with gravity in the pit area to keep everything centred. 2g pulling in four directions along the grinder axis leading to a null field in the middle should reduce the chance of stuff flying off...

[@Thade780]

Artificial gravity doesn't work on planets.

[@Splitsie]

Sadly Thade's right, also artificial gravity doesn't affect grids so it wouldn't help pulling the parts down anyway :(

[@James-ro7rx]

You could say the grind has begun

[@Splitsie]

Lol, if I wasn't so pun impaired I would have been very tempted :P

[@teresabooth312]

I want you to have a deep hole where the parts fall into and have a conveyor of 1x1 wheels or a different conveyor design and also it would look cool if you make it look like a furnace with flames by using blocks and shooting them to set them on fire

[@Splitsie]

You'll probably like what I have in mind for the decorations around the bin chicken's dock then :)

[@a-tad-ape]

Nice work. I like your grinding pit's setup though there could be room for improvement. For starters, I think you should decrease the piston speed as it might fix the problem of extra bits flying about. I saw a comment that said it might be a good idea to have reverse facing grinders for any extra parts that bounced through the grinding wall. These could probably be placed just at the bottom row to pick up any extra pieces though you'd have to make sure it doesn't accidentally grind the pistons or conveyors. I also noticed a hole in your garage blast door. You seemed to look right at it when you were talking about the Goose and turret setups. As always I'm excited for the next episode!

[@MrR3set]

Tick's LCDs are different color Splitsie xD

[@Splitsie]

Oopsie! Another little thing I'll need to fix about the place :)

[@DavidR575]

looking at the way the drills are set up, perhaps you could have used small grid drills (rotor trick on the end of your future grinder piston) to clear out the hole accurately?

[@Splitsie]

Sadly still would have made far too large a hole, even with the hand drill I often removed more of the stone than I wanted to :(

[@DavidR575]

No easy way around that one then? I'm not sure if you want to be adding any more mods to your world, but perhaps to save yourself some time have you had a look at Digi's Concrete tool mod for placing voxels? steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=396679430

[@justins7933]

What about putting a sensor in to detect subgroups that extend the pistons? That way you can just drop and go.

[@Splitsie]

I've got a few upgrades for it that still need to be done, including systems to make it a lot simpler to operate, I'm inclined to leave it manually operated so I can dump a bunch of pieces in at the same time, that'll make it less onerous to watch and make sure it's not stuck on a piece of salvage etc

[@sampfrost]

add some grinders on the bottom reverse side to catch the pieces that get behind it or would that grind off the piston?

[@macgabhann1108]

They would have to be deep so that there range did not reach the pistons or other grinders but it would get the extra bits that get left behind.

[@Splitsie]

I guess you could have them triggered by the same sensor as the other grinders since the piston is probably high enough, but not sure it'll be worth the time at the moment since I'd need a lot of grinders and the small parts would probably end up between them anyway :P

[@macgabhann1108]

yea there is that problem though i did at one time come up with an idea for that problem but never tested it out maybe someday ill get around to building a grinding pit myself and get around to testing that out but for now it wont do me much good as it requires planetary gravity, though there is supposed to be a mod that makes gravity gens affect ships as well, though i am not sure how that would affect all my auto pilot drones and i am already running into issues where I need some sort of air traffic controller in space lol lost 4 fighters yesterday due to them trying to avoid each other as well as the under construction carrier and ended up smashing into my main ship

[@themidnightbanshee5927]

a grinder pit is one of the first things i would build

[@Splitsie]

With this many drones to grind it would have some merit to build it early :)

[@Ole-wq8is]

54 episode holy hell keep it up man

[@Splitsie]

Thanks, I'm amazed I've still got people watching at this point :P

[@acanadianderg4035]

U should put sensers on the back of the grinders so that if the grinders have trouble ginding something down the pistons stop

[@Splitsie]

The only problem with that which I'm not sure how to solve is that you'd end up with the grinders being slowed by the small pieces that end up behind the grinder wall :(

[@Tom_2045]

You could put the command console in a cab high on a pillar and access it with a ladder

[@Splitsie]

That reminds me, I don't think I have the ladder mod on I might need to fix that so I can build a proper maintenance shaft for the elevator :P

[@gary0228]

3:52 if only keen had that commitment to fixing bugs. In multiplayer, both ds and played hosted(non ds), MART and a ripoff me and a friend made breaks and the only way to fix for *both* of them is for the boat recompile the scrilts, relog, repaste, repeating code, every combination of changing the rotors all doesn't work.

[@Splitsie]

They've certainly left their fair share of bugs around much longer than I would have expected, I'm one of those people that's endlessly hopeful though and am still looking forward to the next update (especially after playing on the multiplayer test servers)

[@lowrads3653]

As a lazy engineer, I just swap tools with drills and let them dig their own hole. Gravity is there to be exploited in any design that involves random, independent bits.

[@thewootpanda]

I kinda expected a hole with drills facing upwards but as usual this guy went extra..

[@Splitsie]

The drills will dig too large a hole and the system won't work, for the set up I went for here you need the voxels as tight against the drills as possible so that pieces are missed as little as possible. I tried the grinders facing upward in a pit and even with a lid there were pieces of salvage flying everywhere passing straight through the solid lid which is why I went a little crazy with the design :P

[@lowrads3653]

That's why I use a spinning design. Then you only have to restrain the radii, either as a single grid, or with waldoes. So long as most materials fall down to the bottom, close fits don't really make any difference as the principle goal is to be fault-tolerant.

[@wodentubercolosys]

The buttercup flies like a goldfish struggling to swim! :P Try to decrease the acceleration! You will get a much better control! Add to the hotbar "run PB" with %lowerAccel and %raiseAccel as arguments ;)

[@Splitsie]

That is such an apt description, I might mess around with that a bit - I'd meant to ages ago when the scripts author suggested the same thing and promptly forgot :P

[@PayrollTips]

Grinder chainsaw to cut big ships in half (one line of grinders). Was very effective in space with my small grinder pit to save FPS...

[@Tilion462]

Yeah, what is effectively a grinder blade or guillotine would be very handy...

[@Splitsie]

Interesting thought, maybe I'll need a grinder on the transport ship - or just use a gatling gun... ;)

[@PayrollTips]

Above the grinder pit, then it cuts the ship in half before falling in. [][]xxxxxxxx[][] [][]\ /[][] []=x | []=x | _____________ Crude diagram, x grinder, = piston, / slope, [] block, | rock wall, _ rock floor.

[@Pecomica]

Very nice episode. IN regards to the grinder pit lid, wouldn't it be possible to maybe have a sliding lid cover the pit? Coming in from the side, or above the grinders, and use catwalks above to walk on? Also the control center for it... Maybe move it to the side of the pit, then monitors across that show the camera views in the pit. Does monitors and cameras work in that fashion? Maybe it is to taxing on the processor to have them constantly record for the monitors. Maybe set it up with the pit so when in used the cameras switch on.

[@Splitsie]

Sadly you can't have monitors display what's seen by a camera, but I think having a little control area raised on the side could look nice :) A few people have suggested using airtight hangar doors for the cover, I think that might be the way to go since I haven't used them anywhere else and it's crazy simple (plus I've got an extra complicated upgrade idea)

[@Pecomica]

I like it when you do it complicated. Your pit isn't what I was picturing in my head. First I thought it was going to be a pit with slanted walls that have the scrap slide down to a row of grinders or something, then I thought, maybe the grinders will be on pistons above and just press down. I do like your approach. Very nice.

[@standalone5135]

You know what would be cool, if a ship that can billed a sandbag and drop them off anywhere you want it to be.

[@Splitsie]

That would be pretty fun to use, I don't think I've got enough power to fly a ship that large yet, but maybe one day :)

[@griffgaming9209]

Splitsie, I think you should set a alarm on your phone or in-game every 1-2 minutes to remind you to check your hydrogen, basically get into the habit of doing it all the time.

[@Splitsie]

I just wish the hydrogen didn't go red when you still had bottles, if it only went red when it's on it's last bit I'm sure I'd have been trained to notice the red - like I do with power, but because it goes red all the time then refills I've learned to ignore it... which doesn't always work out :P

[@pneuklf]

While fine drilling out some voxels have you tried to use basic Hand Drill ? It has lower radius of drilling (at least I think). You will spend a bit more time had drilling thou :)

[@Splitsie]

Dang I should have thought of that, could have made it a little neater (despite the extra time I still would have done it) :P

[@pneuklf]

Elevator sugestion -> According to info you said at kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIDNlnmXeMagoLs the first piston is lifting mass of whole base :) What about making grid with pistons separated from rest of the base and connected to it via connector to connector connection ? If I comprehend it right anything connected to base by connector doesn't add to its mass (or its wrong ?). Or make the grid separated completely with battery and control it via Reciever Transmiter cript :P (thats a bit complex I think :) )

[@DanielvomDorf]

what would be, if you have landinggears upside down in the floor of the pit, set on auto? would the first bit thown in, lock in position?

[@Splitsie]

Sometimes, but others it'll just phase straight through :/

[@davidpaul8500]

What if you used landing legs as a way to prevent parts from flying away

[@Splitsie]

I think it can work (at least from what people tell me who have tried it), you have to carefully line them up if you're using grinders on a subgrid though as they'll grind away your landing gear otherwise :P

[@gulashsoup]

That pit is sick. But I wonder, wouldn't it be better, if the grinders would be on the ground, facing upwards, close the lid, and let gravity taking care of the flying chunks? Or you tested it, and it had some problems?

[@defne499]

the parts get stuck in between the grinders and does not get grinded down

[@Splitsie]

The problem with the pit and using a lid was the small parts that phased straight through the lid and ended up all over the place, that's why I wanted to try it with voxel walls as they seemed to work better :) As Tahir said you do also get little pieces between the grinders but those weren't the biggest problem for me :P

[@jakal1988]

First of all thanks again for your help with my issiue of the "self building roket" and that you aswell cosider building a trailer like that for the Goose. mine works now but looks ugly as hell. ^^ i wished there would be new eppsiodes more often and even longer then this one but of course i know it already costs alot of time. As you flew in the pit to drop the Sandbag i thought wouldn't it be easier if you build a platform out of blast doors on pistons which will normally be extended so it makes an even floor in the hanger. you drop on anytjhing you wanna grind down and before you start grinding you retract that pistons. the grinders will push it behinf the platform anyway before they start grinding so it will not get destroyed ... but it might have the advantages that nothing can get destroyed if you drop it in and you won't need to fly in. aswell there would be no need for a "door" above what makes it harder to maneuver in there. all can be set on timers so it's just one button to push.

[@Splitsie]

I like your idea about building a piston mounted floor, so much that I had a play around with the idea in creative to see if I could work my way around one problem: at the edge of the floor the transition between the piston floor and the voxel floor will have a gap, sadly I couldn't come up with a way to deal with this where the pieces of salvage weren't getting stuck :(

[@jakal1988]

Splitsie i will try myself either tonight or tomorrow morning in my time zone ... but yeah i didn't think about the transit between blocks and voxels ... maybe i can come up with an idea for how it could work ... sadly i can't uses exactly your pit but lets see what i can manage to create fast

[@Splitsie]

You could, head to my workshop as I've published the latest version, then just turn on creative in the alt+f10 menu ;)

[@jakal1988]

why didn't i see you published your savegame in there before ... oh my ... i could have saved me alot of work now and try it instead in the real pit not on a stupid ice lake cause i was too lazy to dig it

[@jakal1988]

If you mount the rotor to the top piston of the elevator you might get the angle so the ship will slip off directly to the voxals ... in my last try to build it i palced it at the lostes piston ... i couldn't make it possible ... it's getting to late for now ... 2:15 am here ... gonna give it a try tomorrow again

[@thewootpanda]

this has given me a idea of using a load of piston's and putting drills on them and using that to drill out a Base. I need to drill out a Base but I am drilling and going out, dropping stones, continue drilling. seems to take forever. drills and pistons would be loads faster

[@Splitsie]

Make sure you use right click to drill if you're happy to get a large hole as you won't get any stone that way :)

[@Ariethefloof]

Prehaps have a Printing bay next or near the Grinding pit?

[@Splitsie]

I'm definitely planning one for the base :)

[@danlawrence1003]

I think you should make a vector thrust scavenger ship which has strong upwards thrust and maybe a grinder

[@Splitsie]

I hadn't started thinking too hard about the scavenger ship, but since I'll have to lock on to something maybe vector thrust will make things difficult as the movements can be a little less precise, would be nice for needing fewer thrusters though... decisions, decisions

[@danlawrence1003]

Yeah im not sure how to work vector thrust (I also wondered can you put forward thrust with vector thrust or would you just flip the ship???)

[@The1wsx10]

it would be awesome if scripts had access to editing blueprints... then you could make a blueprint editor, where you are placing blocks on the blueprint. you would need a little ship with its own PB to communicate with the other one and report its position, so you hop into it and point and click.

[@Splitsie]

That would be incredibly cool if it were possible, would bring that element of design that so many people load up creative mode for and drop it into survival in a nice way :)

[@robertrenato]

This is pretty awesome! And I like the lid like that :D

[@Splitsie]

Thanks :)

[@miguelantoniodino7609]

If you build a carrier vehicle, call it the Pelican or the Stork!

[@Splitsie]

I like the idea of calling it the stork :)

[@Skreedence]

Could you build yourself a clock using timer blocks and the fact that solar panels start working the same time every morning?

[@Splitsie]

Yes, I think I can. I'm planning on doing something silly along those lines but haven't gotten around to it yet (playing a rooster's crow in the morning and a wolf howl at night) ;)

[@stanpollard]

Hi splitsie. Did you noticed you can't join blocks together on 2 rotors using merge blocks now.is there a new way of doing it

[@Splitsie]

The way I do it is, in the example of building a door with two rotors on it, build the rotors opposing one another, then remove both of their rotor parts, build the door that fits in the gap and build 2 rotor parts on either end. Using a ship gently move the door in between the two rotors and then tell both of them to attach to the rotor parts... I suggest saving before hand as sometimes Space Engineers doesn't like it :P

[@titanofroanoke5929]

Hi there, just found your channel. Awesome-sauce by the way. do you have a complete mod list? I'm trying to find that catwalk, piping and decoration mods. Cheers

[@Splitsie]

Here's the collection for the series: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1158231337 The catwalks are Shaostoul's catwalks and the pipes and decorations come from Eikester's decoration pack :)

[@charlieodom9107]

The pipes are amazing. I'm going to add that mod if I decide to go that route. I'm trying to stay stock except for enemies on planet.

[@engineersullivanhunter5574]

Splitsie, I think your grinder pit is very small. I mean, it does serve its purpose for the tiny drones you have, No offense! But in my survival world, I designed a MASSIVE grinder pit. Like, so big, that an entire reaver ship can fit in it with room to spare! My computer does cry when it runs, so there’s that! Stay safe!

[@engineersullivanhunter5574]

Just find out the dimensions: 27X30(large grid grinders)

[@stanpollard]

Did you spawn the enemy bases yourself

[@Splitsie]

Yep, I manually placed them myself before I started playing the scenario

[@BoroMonokli]

Grinder pit? Looks like Klang pit to me!

[@gabrielglouw3589]

The link for the mod list isn’t working for me. Can you tell me the name of the cool conveyor tube mod you use?

[@Splitsie]

Try this one for the full list: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1158231337 Or try this one for Eikester's decoration pack (which is where they come from): steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=312976851

[@tassie7325]

14K Congrats Could you not line the floor of your grinder pit with Collectors to capture those stray bits and pieces?

[@DonnaPinciot]

No, those are full blocks. I also think the scrap metal was from something on the grinders exploding, I hope Splitsie has checked the back. It really sounded like one of the conveyor blocks popped or something.

[@MistahBryan]

I agree with checking the Grinders for damage.

[@Splitsie]

There was a tiny bit of damage to a grinder that I discovered later and believe I've cleared the voxel bit that caused it, not sure why that part got edited out but I'm sure I had a good reason :P Also thanks Mick :)

[@peterw.8434]

Why is your Engineers tipping on his arm? Is this a mod or is it a vanilla feature?

[@Splitsie]

That's the Animated Interaction mod, I like it for a little immersion plus at various times it's been needed for some other mods I often play with :)

[@orwellianhaggis4314]

Great series! What's the name of the pipes mod please? I don't think it's listed on your steam page.

[@SinZ163]

steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=312976851 It is on the Survival Maybe scenario required mods, and Episode 1 had his full collection steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1158231337

[@Shakads]

I think they are part of a mod called Eikester's Decorations and more part 1.

[@orwellianhaggis4314]

Thank you both.

[@Splitsie]

Everything above is true, thanks guys :)

[@thewootpanda]

I was thinking isn't your ship a sub grid? you made me nervous going in that pit

[@Splitsie]

No the ship is a separate grid at that point, it's only a subgrid if connected via connector, landing gear, rotors or pistons :)

[@thenb5094]

ayy 7pm not 9pm! better timing lol good video I assume, have yet to watch it!

[@Splitsie]

It's always 7pm for me, did daylight saving start or finish somewhere?

[@thenb5094]

idek lol, I'm not very good with timezones and all that. what country are you in?

[@jeremyswain9842]

Today we witnessed the violent murder of a Sandbag. A minute silence in remembrance of this fallen soldier.

[@Splitsie]

And next time the rebirth of many more ;)

[@mightygamer3466]

Hi you are awesome keep doing what you are doing! I look forward to each and every video!

[@Splitsie]

Thanks so much :)

[@mightygamer3466]

Splitsie you should feel proud! (BTW you might need to slow down the pistons, so it dose not break) appart from that Great job so far!

[@Splitsie]

Yep, I think I'll give that a try, maybe there will be fewer parts left behind afterwards as an extra bonus :)

[@mightygamer3466]

Splitsie You are awesome! No one can tell you otherwise! :) this is the first time (apart from the other video) that me and a cool KZbinr have talked!

[@Splitsie]

Wait what? I'm cool... guess we really do change after high school :P

[@nullblasterthevoidmaker1750]

It needs flashing warning lights for when the pit is active.

[@Splitsie]

They come :)

[@jeremyswain9842]

It would be good if a printer was made soon. Then you can "recycle" the sandbags while making new ones.

[@Splitsie]

It's something I want to do, though I'm going to try and avoid adding any new jobs until I get the Goose parking area complete :P

[@jeremyswain9842]

Smart. + I think the design you though up is really smart. :P

[@charlieodom9107]

Splitsie.....you need to start throwing full hydrogen bottles everywhere you work, so when you run out (we all know you will again and again), you will have a bottle nearby to pick up! Lol Just scatter them everywhere!

[@Splitsie]

Probably, I've gotten better at it these days, but still haven't managed to get into the habit of that :P

[@SSODP]

I thought You make it diffrently... Like a dumpster with a grind-floor and blast-door hatch... nothing would drop out... no chunks left... still well done... Greetings

[@Splitsie]

I tested a system like that in creative first, due to tool shake pieces get thrown straight through the lid and end up all over the place, that's why I tried a system with it all surrounded by voxels, which seems to work better :)

[@SSODP]

Till clang, phase-through... All over the place ? That's why I started to close My 'blender' :p

[@tidusklein3387]

Commenting half way threw video......but why not just have the pistons push the stuff into a wall of landing gear? So its impossible for stuff to fly off. It would take a little more setting up so you dont grind the gear and get every little chunk but IMO muuuuuuch safer and less klang poking.

[@Splitsie]

The trouble with the wall is that the grinders throw pieces through a wall of blocks (they did that in the tests where I had a lid over a pit) I was hoping that the voxels worked better as they seem to, and that the grinders (being larger and being the source of the problem) would let fewer parts through to get scattered around the hangar :P

[@JohnyDaison]

Why are you not using Easy Inventory?

[@Splitsie]

I didn't want to use it at the start as a good proportion of the people who watch my content are new to the game and having something like that changes the way you interact with things so much that I'd have to explain it over and over. Now that I'm this far in I've just stuck with my starting mods to prevent the usual mod bloat that comes with playing a world for a while :)

[@JohnyDaison]

Splitsie But it saves SO much time... And it has no performance impact.

[@MistahBryan]

@35:25, THAT looks "unpleasant"

[@Splitsie]

Definitely don't think you're getting out of that trash compactor :P

[@macgabhann1108]

that scene definitely reminded me of a certain starwars scene only this one is more dangerous,

[@Splitsie]

I might have been thinking of it at the time ;)

[@deadhamster7570]

I think you didn't update the VT script on the Buttercup

[@Splitsie]

I did, just edited that part out as it was identical to what I did for the tick :)

[@saelfaer]

why so far into the base, i would've built a grinderpit in my runway :)

[@Splitsie]

Aesthetics, it's the most common reason for me to choose a solution that's not the most efficient :)

[@steelzen595]

More videos!

[@Splitsie]

There's another one coming up in about 6 hours ;)

[@steelzen595]

Awesome! I love you videos keep up the good work! I really like that you actually reply to your viewers comments unlike other KZbinrs, that is what will make you a great KZbinr which you already are!

[@steelzen595]

I love your videos, and i wish i could build like you someday that would be a dream! Well building good in any game is my dream because i am a horrible builder.

[@Splitsie]

Thanks so much :) I think it took me a few hundred hours into Space Engineers before I'd built anything that actually looked nice - a few months back I went through a bunch of my old saves to see what I'd done and whoa did some of them look awful :P

[@steelzen595]

Wow you replied really quick that is a good KZbinr

[@OldIronGuard]

You should make a sandbag carrier (like a aircraft carrier) so you don't have to keep using the ugly duckling 🐥 😂

[@Splitsie]

The ship I want to build for carrying salvage home will be the ugly duckling replacement :)

[@ScratchAOE2777]

Splitsie how the heck do you get your Buttercup to fly so smoothly, I've copied it into my world and it's...so...awkward.

[@Sifizero]

would the antennas relay the signals, like a mesh wifi network??? i have a background in mcp mcse mcsd and ccna, i just don't know if SE antennas work the same. i remember a vid that Splitsie did with antennas and controlling ships, but SE does things unusually. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_mesh_network

[@SinZ163]

Antennas act as a mesh yes. If you are in range of antenna A, and A is in range of B, you can communicate to B even if you aren't in range yourself, but being able to control the grid will only be possible if said antennas all have two way communication (in each others range)

[@Sifizero]

copy that Sinz tnks

[@Splitsie]

This just gave me another idea, I think I might add another command to the new sandbag for having transmit on the antenna toggleable so all the sandbags don't clutter my hud :)

[@macgabhann1108]

I always think of the antennas as a HAM radio network because they operate basically the same way with the radio network in my area I can use my small handheld radio and talk over the entire north west coast because of the network and SE antennas work the same way another idea that could help clear your hud Splitsie is using the laser antennas instead see if you can figure out a way to set them up so that you have an entire laser antenna network with no blind spots and yea I know they can each only connect to one other one at a time

[@The1wsx10]

finally starting to get some proper equipment to automate manufacture. no more of this hand-done stuff!

[@Splitsie]

Fingers crossed :)

[@trus3683]

So it's the Buttercup officially now?

[@macgabhann1108]

I was thinking the same thing

[@Splitsie]

Are we talking about the butterball or the buttercup right now? ;)

[@mattp1337]

I think of "The Buttercup" as "The Goldfish", due to its colour and Vector Thrust's wobbly swimming motion when maneuvering.