Survivor's Most Controversial Final Tribal Results

[@feroperooo]

Listening to the way Amber talked about her All-Stars win in season 40 and how she only won because "everyone hated the other person more" just about broke my heart. When Rob told Michele "If you win, you win. The end." it really struck me how he and Amber have probably had the same exact conversation before: about not feeling like you "deserved" to win because of all the backlash from fans. Survivor doesn't know how to edit strong social players, which means women almost always get the short end of the stick! It's frustrating, to say the least.

[@maxwell8758]

It’s not productions fault if women don’t play well. But I see no evidence to suggest that women don’t play well. There are plenty of great performances on the show. I hate how people try to turn everything into a civil rights issue.

[@ssohpckrocks]

@@maxwell8758 No one is but you. You've lost he plot. Go away.

[@NYChica23]

@@maxwell8758 No one is saying that women don't play well, so you're already missing the point here. What the original post is saying, and I very much agree with, is that those players who play a predominantly social game (which mostly happen to be women) don't get the same amount of airtime/content devoted to them as the people who make those bold flashy plays or win challenge after challenge do. And it's not really a gender thing, because Tommy is also viewed as a less worthy winner simply because his game was more reliant on the social bonds he built with others than on idol/advantage plays or challenge wins

[@maxwell8758]

@@NYChica23 I wasn’t just talking about the video, there are some people out there who think survivor and it’s players are sexist and that’s why more men have won, which I fundamentally disagree with. Secondly, don’t you hear what you’re saying? “People who make bold flashy plays and win challenges get more air time.” Well duh! That’s the point. No one wants to watch people talking all day. They want to see the Machiavellian schemes and the big plays.

[@googleistotalshit4072]

@@maxwell8758 You're exactly right. No one says Parvati won because "everyone hated the other person more". If someone gets the short end of the stick....maybe it's just because they earned it?

[@brokenpikachu9491]

Michele is a weird case. In her first season, the viewers wanted her to get less jury votes. And in her second, the viewers wanted her to get more jury votes

[@popmans9999]

Well this time Michelle had to fight harder and was in the bottom most of the game. The other time people were infatuated with Aubrey.

[@jaysol4705]

@@popmans9999 but Aubry has the underdog edit too in KR and has to fight harder.

[@jaimebaase3012]

I mean come on Tony played the best game in the history of 40 seasons

[@eXponentia]

@@jaimebaase3012 Yes, but the point is that Michelle should have gotten more votes than Natalie and come in second instead of getting 0 votes. Some jurors have said they voted for Tony instead of Michelle purely because they knew Natalie was going to get some votes and they didn't want her to get more than Tony. A few people wanted to vote for Michelle to acknowledge her game but couldn't because of the stupid EoE twist.

[@jaimebaase3012]

@@eXponentia true I think it was against Michelle that Natalie was on the Edge for so long wasn’t she like the 1st one voted out she played a flawless 4th quarter game but developed relationships on the edge I’m really iffy on the edge if you are voted out your out.

[@peach4973]

michele - in KR ppl wanted her to be second place. in WaW, people wanted her to be second place again ... funny how things work eh

[@cfrick7312]

Between the 2 age averages second place, so it all works out mathematically, not financially though.

[@cravingjokes8904]

Stolen comment

[@BigDaddy-vq5ks]

Michele had the best final tribal of all time

[@KikiCuber]

Ikr. She just can’t have a non controversial final tribal

[@adamsbriee6330]

I always hate when people say this over and over again. She wouldn’t be able to get second on WaW if she got second in Kaoh Rong. Realistically, It’s just annoying to me

[@zachbarry1992]

“And most importantly, the American public is notoriously horrible at democracy” *how could you say something so true yet so bold*

[@MachetesAreFun]

that was a "boom goes the dynamite" moment

[@JurzGarz]

To be fair, democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other ones.

[@sirstriped5233]

In the words of a random social studies teacher from middle school "America isn't a democracy, it's a Republic"... I'll show myself out...

[@JurzGarz]

@caleb beers: That’s the favorite phrase of people who don’t understand the difference between representative and direct democracy. In other words, people who really have no business teaching social studies.

[@TheMurrmursonbottle]

@@sirstriped5233 surprise: you can be both

[@GreenBayPayton]

“Reunions have been worse” *montage ending in Caramoan* Killed me 🤣🤣

[@matulytizzz1237]

You can tell they weren't happy sitting there too:Ddd

[@marichatismynameandladynoi1990]

Why was he jury not all there does anyone know why it’s hilarious but like why lol

[@Lizzy-yl4un]

@@marichatismynameandladynoi1990 they wanted to hide the fact that brandon wasn’t there so they didn’t have to talk about him, but the execution was awful and the reunion didn’t even talk about gameplay

[@matthewplace7329]

One of my favorite images ever

[@landonweaver1040]

The fact that the winners have been scared off the internet by fans over the jury’s decision is ridiculous and is quite frankly sad. People like Ben quit the game to “redeem himself” (which didn’t work) and people like Natalie disappear off the face of the planet.

[@kellydaunis]

Are you referring to Natalie Anderson?

[@landonweaver1040]

@@kellydaunis no Natalie white. I don’t think anyone besides John and Baylor would want to see Jacklyn or Missy win that season. (Her WaW game was not the best though)

[@pepp3rminty]

Love your pfp

[@ramibaghdadi1255]

Fans are jerks because they think they can say anything about anyone and not realize these are real people with real feelings.

[@kellydaunis]

@@ramibaghdadi1255 This is true. I always try to be as respectful as possible.

[@roger_towny_jr]

Does anyone remember the scene in Samoa during the premerge when Laura was visiting the Foa Foa camp, Natalie runs off with her to talk NOT about strategy, but just church, their dogs and families, you know normal stuff, and Liz tries to point this out to Russell while she's working on the fire, and Russell just brushes Liz off, calling her "stupid"? If the result of Samoa and all of Russell's flaws could be boiled down to a single scene, this is it. 1. No, Liz is not stupid for being concerned that Natalie is off socializing while she's stuck on fire duty. 2. Natalie knows exactly what she's doing without Russell pretending like it's his idea for her to do it. 3. This is just one example of likely several instances where Russell was openly complicit in Natalie culminating all of the social capital with their future jurors, and he STILL thought it was a good idea to take her to the end.

[@eXponentia]

Yeah plus people immensely underrate how pivotal Natalie was at the merge. For some reason people just forget it happened and think Russell did all the work to get out Galu when it was entirely on Natalie's back to get Eric out and she did it. She played at least a B+ game but people act like she played a D game because of the edit.

[@popmans9999]

Rusell is not very smart. He took Sandra about at the end because he though no one will vote for her. But I am no sure about that.

[@cjtrules1]

Russell obviously looks at the game differently and values playing in a different way. He doesn't think socializing and doing nothing else is a good strategy. I think now Russell sees where he made mistakes but he will never get a chance to do anything differently unless he's on a season like WAW.

[@TrippleEgis]

I feel like if he took Shambo to the end instead of Natalie, he would have won. Galu tribe didint like Shambo, when everyone liked Natalie.

[@roger_towny_jr]

@@TrippleEgis I do remember Erik at the reunion being really insistent that Shambo would win. So I definitely see an alternate scenario where had Shambo made it to the end instead, Erik's drunk speech is actually for her. Galu might not have liked Shambo, but she didn't intentionally put people down the way Russell did, and I feel like if she made it to the end, many of her former tribemates who allegedly did not respect her would understand that she made the move she felt she had to. Plus she's probably the only player who can legitimately play the Reverse Uno card on Russell and say she is the one who saved his ass when he was down in numbers.

[@coolguy8829]

I think it is annoying when Russell loses the game, and instead of owning to it, he insists that the entire game must change so he can win.

[@3amDayDreamer]

This^

[@ttaa6645]

This is one of the many reasons why Russell is my least favorite contestant ever

[@bartallen8121]

I'm going to play devil's advocate here and I probably will be flamed for this: Playing Roblox Outlaster, the game is absolutely rigged, I take out kids who are in a real life friendship out early hoping they will quit as I know that if they make it to the end, their friends will vote them to win. The more I lost at the finale due to bad RNG votes where I only had a winning shot if I bag in the bonus votes, the more I understood Russell's frustration of losing. I had to deal with people who literally have a zero chance to vote me to win simply because I'm not friends with them in real life and not respecting any form of strategy or even social play. Being friends with them? They still won't vote me to win, if their friend gets taken out they will ragequit together or they can vote someone else to win, there is no way to secure any votes because I'm dealing with bitter, bitter people. But in Russell's case, he treated everyone with little respect so he kinda deserved it. I treated players with respect at first, but after losing so many times to bitter kids, I just played cutthroat all the way, I came into games blindsiding and taking people out with idols early to give me a better shot to win. While I occasionally lost, my win ratio went up tremendously.

[@coolguy8829]

@@bartallen8121 People knowing each other in real life is only really an issue in all star seasons. In Samoa, everyone is a stranger. Russel did not take the time to bond with people because he was always looking for Idols. So I just find it obnoxious that he thinks that he thinks the game is flawed because he played a bad social game.

[@Vistelia]

@@bartallen8121 Outlaster is a completely separate entity to survivor in my eyes because the “bonus votes” completely change the winning strategy, and tbh if you play your cards right the jury votes won’t even matter. The winning strategy in that game is playing for the bonus votes, rng doesnt matter much at all if you know the categories. I win the game pretty much every single time when I do that. It’s about adapting to the game, not the game itself.

[@kenyichoy5578]

And according to the Samoa jury, had Brett gone to the final he would have won. Now THAT would have been more controversial. I didn’t even know that guy’s name until he started winning individual immunities.

[@officialthreegang]

The edit would have most likely been different. He would have had more confessionals, and he would be a big part of the season. It just wasn’t shown because they wanted to focus on Russel and Foa Foa.

[@DircyaT.Rubino]

Brett, who had been virtually unheard of the entire game!

[@bartallen8121]

I'm pretty sure Brett was just a CGI added in at the last moment to make it less obvious that the winner came from Foa Foa, and then they added Brett into the opening scene and earlier episodes, gave him the first confessional of the season to make people think Brett is an actual contestant

[@ramibaghdadi1255]

Obviously if Brett won he wouldn't have been edited that way. He would be quite prominent in the beginning, despite never being in danger.

[@marichatismynameandladynoi1990]

Who

[@zoeywelter7114]

I knew David’s proposal to Carolina HAD to be in the cringy reunion moments montage 😭😭

[@shwift8789]

"shut the fricking front door"

[@HotRoute7]

We all know he proposed to Boston Rob first

[@matthewhalsall9008]

I completely agree that Natalie should have gotten more of a winner's edit or be more featured on Samoa, but Eric Cardona's speech is still one of my favourite jury speeches of all time.

[@OnceUponAnIsland]

I love it too. So much truth in that one speech.

[@IdoledOut]

Oh don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Erik's speech. One of my favorite Survivor moments ever, and he is a totally underrated character in and of himself.

[@OnceUponAnIsland]

@@IdoledOut My favorite Eric moment is his love affair with the clothesline.

[@msnmpn7]

@@OnceUponAnIsland you literally made me laugh away a sneeze with that comment

[@jrson5000]

Natalie did not deserve the win at all. You cannot say that with a straight face. Russell carried her to the end. If you think otherwise you’re delusional

[@megancurtis9502]

I rewatched Samoa a few months after the first time and it became extremely clear to me why she won. She had such a good social game that the opposing alliance literally let her sit in the shelter while they talked strategy. I don't know if it was on purpose or by accident but she honestly played an incredible game given she understood early on that no one could successfully cross Russell.

[@kaitlynbannon4567]

I never try to disregard a Survivor winner as undeserbing, no matter how they played. So Natalie being considered one of the worst winners ever by most of the fandom stinks. If she had gotten more screentime and we had gotten to see more of her game, she probably would've been better received.

[@theredlineonepiece9811]

She won because everyone hates Russell. Thats it period!!!!!!

[@megancurtis9502]

@@theredlineonepiece9811 Well yeah lol. He played a strong strategic game but we mean, degrading, and unethical in his ways so I don't really blame them. Rob not winning in season 8 is a bitter jury, this on the other hand was completely understandable.

[@tmm4195]

@@theredlineonepiece9811 yeah because his social game was trash and natalie's was good

[@bbaldboy]

Regardless, it's a fact she was one of the worst winners of all time.

[@o1977jp]

I love the dry humor in these videos. Please don't ever stop making them.

[@IdoledOut]

Appreciate you watching!

[@otterdog102]

We all know Mark the chicken should've won Kaoh Rong.

[@NYChica23]

Only chicken to ever make it all 39 days on Survivor

[@nicholasjessup6788]

@@NYChica23Dayum

[@ethan6483]

I have to mute my phone every time I get blindsided with David proposing to that girl at the RI reunion so cringe 🤮

[@jaysol4705]

Lmao

[@slospop1125]

I keep saying this, but it needs to be said. Nobody makes it to the final 3 by accident, you are either dragged to end as a goat or you fought through 39 days straight and earned your spot there. There are plenty of people who I wish had won survivor and didn't, but I still fully respect the people who did win those seasons. When you're on the island your priority is not to put on the best show for America if it is your on the wrong show. It is the Jury that decides if how you got to the end is worth the million. At the end of the day survivor is a social game, meaning that you have to make the people your playing with (not the people watching you at home) like you, every winner understood that.

[@Ori_Kohav]

A few more mentions of controversial winners: 1. Tina. Mainly Colby losing due to his decision to take her to the end over Keith. 2. Danni. Stephanie's fanbase loves to belittle the Guatemala result, but imho Stephanie really hurt her own game with some questionable decisions, and made it worse with her pathetic arguments at the final tribal. It honestly seemed more like Rafe was the one actually in control. 3. Bob. He was mainly saved by Sugar, and at the final tribal, he came off as quite a hypocrite, claiming that he played a "pure" game, rather than owning up to his moves. 4. Ben. I think the complaints about this win are warranted, given that the main reasons he made the end are idols being hidden worse than Rapunzel's hair, and a twist thrown in by surprise that eliminated the social part completely from the final 4.

[@TransparentEclipse]

Can we take a second to appreciate the S tier montages that have recently graced this channel

[@jetconway5995]

I heard the some of the jurors were planning on voting for michelle at winners at war but they didnt wanna accidentally split the vote and result in a natalie win so they voted for tony

[@Hatzmanialand]

Yup, there were nervous because Natalie had a pretty solid core of voters.

[@abbyrose6660]

Hatzmania yeah, im pretty sure wendell, adam and danni were the jurors who wanted to vote for michele but didnt wanna risk natalie winning with the votes they knew she already had

[@bobgray6498]

Poor Michele. I get it, but she didn't deserve 3rd place (she actually deserved 1st but y'all ain't ready for that conversation 😛)

[@abbyrose6660]

Bob Gray id certainly be ready for that conversation cause micheles waw game definitely deserves more credit. a lot of people undermine micheles waw game but if anything waw solidified her as a great player. in kaoh rong she made it to the end in the majority alliance but on the flip side, she made it to the end in waw despite playing from the bottom for most of the game.

[@Thepokedek]

imagine being that big of an idiot 😫😫😫 Michelle deserved votes she was working from the bottom every time and made it to the final

[@gadjman]

Oh god why did you have to show David Murphy I had just begun to repress it.

[@PepsiMaxiPad]

Every 3 weeks or so my best friend gets a five minute voice memo from me defending Amber's win against invisible haters. The fact that on S40 she said that she won only because the jury hated her less than Rob made me cry. How dare anyone make her feel like she didn't deserve it. She did! But at the risk of this comment turning into a 10 page essay, I will leave it at that.

[@kayliedunlap]

That’s true and why she did win. Other than shii-ann i think she deserved the win, because she got more votes no matter the way she did it. But the reason she got three votes was because they were mad at rob and being bitter. I don’t think they shoulf be bitter. But they were which is a part where you need to know your jury and know how to feel with that kind of betrayal, and how to bounce back at the soeeches which amber did.

[@reubenmanzo2054]

@@kayliedunlap Those 3 people were upset with Rob betraying their friendship. The only problem with this sentiment is that you're in a game were you will have to vote each other out at some point. If you're friendship can't support itself against that, can you really call yourselves friends?

[@wolfe8421]

What she said in 40 was so, so true though. But hey, she won non the less.

[@Anonymous-fb1qu]

The look on everyone’s faces as Ben’s win is announced never fails to crack me up

[@helpmejanice8123]

Lol

[@oopsididamaterialism8113]

All Stars and Samoa are crucial to the arc of the whole show. They both show the limits of “playing hard.” BR and Russell obviously played some of the best strategic and physical games we’ve ever seen. But these seasons show that neither could ever win for lack of social play (save for when the show built Redemption Island around Rob).

[@UnderdawgMLB]

0:34 I thought i was the only one. I feel like Dean is who I would play most similarly to if I played.

[@roger_towny_jr]

So let me get this strait... You would act like a moron, Lose your #1 ally out the gate, Just-so-happen to run into a friend of your ex, She just-so-happens to have an expiring idol she doesn't need, She gets big-move-ittis and saves your hiney from getting voted out in the premerge, You have an opportunity to turn the tables on the people controlling the game at the final 8, but instead you decide to gift wrap one of the power players a million dollars and throw two of the only players you actually stand a chance at beating under the bus, You get handed the most powerful object in the game super late at the final 7 for winning a freaking COIN TOSS, Said object you did virtually nothing to earn allows you to rob the game of a player who otherwise would have been among the most celebrated winners in Survivor history and possibly redeem your toxic season from the dark pits of the bottom of every single season tier list, And ultimately end with a game that can be summed up as a marathon where you spent all of it piggybacking on other stronger faster racers, then in the very last leg of the race while everyone else is running on fumes, you jump off their backs and break into a sprint, making yourself look way more impressive than you actually are...as you sit there with that obnoxiously smug grin of yours. Sound about right?

[@UnderdawgMLB]

@@roger_towny_jr My man out here writing a 5 paragraph essay😂 Without reading it tho you are probably correct

[@dubu5801]

@@roger_towny_jr damn hahahahaha but still love DK chillin than bore me tommy

[@roger_towny_jr]

@@dubu5801 Honestly, they both bore me, so if I have to chose one of those flavors of vanilla, I going with the one that actually played a decent game.

[@GreenBayPayton]

Same here. I was rooting for him but I got why Tommy won. Much deserved either way

[@kilikfanof2mrow]

In other words... We're talking about the most baffling edits for Survivor winners

[@moh-ss7zc]

Michelle should have won WAW. People reward Tony for being neurotic and needing a spy shack just to socially understand what was going on. But can’t reward Michelle for actually being socially aware, as well as a clutch challenge beast, as well as being strategic enough to last by playing from the bottom the whole time. But that sums up America; would rather vote for a manipulative, egotistical, domineering type than just a well rounded person

[@simonbrady3899]

Every time you forget Chip’s name makes me chuckle.

[@IdoledOut]

Wait... refresh my memory - who are we talking about again?

[@regularperson7380]

@@IdoledOut Your Mom

[@queenzoroark]

@@IdoledOut Maybe Chris Daughtery? Or Noble. I just know I heard a Chris being called

[@adamsbriee6330]

Some fans are so ridiculous to me. If they don’t understand how winners like Natalie W, Amber, Sophie, Wendell, Tommy, Michele, and HVV Sandra won, I don’t think they’d ever be good at the actual game. Those winners won on their SOCIAL STRATEGY aka The Most Important aspect to winning the game. It’s so easy to edit winning immunities or finding idols, but social game not so much. I half blame that on production. But it’s not fair to judge a game we see behind a screen while every episode of a 3 day runtime is edited into 45 minutes along with hours of content we don’t see.

[@brettparnell8254]

I backed Michele to win from the pre game interviews in Kaoh Rong. Jeff reading those votes felt a lot like the 2019 NBA finals (I'm a Toronto fan), when the person you are cheering for goes up against the world and beats the rest of the fanbase. One of the most exciting moments I have seen on Survivor.

[@esinger23]

The 2019 finals was a great matchup. I didn’t wanna see the cavs and warriors for the fourth time in a row lol

[@colebodoff8923]

“That’s how the cookie crumbles”. Cuts to Angie Lmao

[@braydensho6661]

I like the cookie reference with the Philippines clip lmaoooo

[@braydensho6661]

10:26

[@freddytang2128]

honorary mention: Ben. when I watched the ending of the season I was like "so you can win survivor by pissing off everyone, be at bottom for a third of the game, and force your way to final 3 by winning immunity?"

[@norayrgevorkyan6425]

Mike in worlds apart was the same thing.

[@ttaa6645]

@@norayrgevorkyan6425 No that’s different Mike deserved the win in that season while Ben didn’t

[@noahs5636]

@@norayrgevorkyan6425 Mike at least won individual immunities when he needed them. That was impressive. Ben was just better at treasure hunting than everyone else and got lucky with the out-of-nowhere fire making twist.

[@lafingscarecrow]

@@ttaa6645 ben deserved his was dude

[@ttaa6645]

@@lafingscarecrow I fully disagree. Chrissy Ryan or Devin would have been way more deserving

[@Extra_Artsy]

I was honestly expecting Sandra's 2nd win to be on here considering the amount of comments I see about how Parvati should've won.

[@franniewaffles6093]

Survivor is the best show ever

[@IdoledOut]

Hard to argue with that

[@emceesleftovers2870]

Happy Mother’s Day to any mother seeing this !

[@dylangallagher4220]

you missed a HUGE one from a viewer prospective: matt losing to jenna in the amazon. jenna was the first winner that the viewers truly viewed as undeserving of the money and she was probably the most hated winner for a while because of it.

[@kevinmcgowan9200]

Agreed but more to do with voting Rob out instead of Matt winning which would’ve been something wild

[@dc98424]

I had always wanted to see a “Top 5 most bitter juries” and this is pretty darn close. Keep up the awesome content!

[@sweetpea27]

8:45 That’s basically what Ozzy did except with Redemption Island

[@Rodanguirus]

It's easy to laugh at the "alliances are cheating" response viewers and some of the players had to Borneo, but context is important. This was before reality shows were a thing, and a lot of Survivor's marketing was not as a game, but a "social experiment," determining who was best suited to survive and craft a thriving society out in the wilderness. In short, who's the hardest worker, who has the best survivalist skills, and maybe things like who can unite the group/keep people's morale up. Of course, in hindsight, that would likely make for quite boring television. But this entire concept was new and some people thought folks banding together to boot out players regardless of their contributions to the tribe was against the "spirit" of the game as it was pitched. I agree that things worked out for the better, but I think the reaction was perfectly understandable at the time considering how the show was pitched, and there's a bit more too it than "lol, they thought strategy was immoral."

[@scottgregory4078]

"If Joe stuck around to back up Aubry instead of backing up his bowels with beef kabobs" ...that's like poetry! Beautiful alliteration

[@THEbeetrootsoup]

12:11 Jokes on you Idoled Out! I just can't stop memorizing tribe names! I remember those ppl, only by season tho lmao

[@spencerclark4726]

I comment this all the time on these types of videos, but I think it's SO painfully obvious that the editing team (and Jeff himself) absolutely hate 99% of their women winners. There's always one, and sometimes (like in South Pacific) as many as three, men who receive far more screentime and confessionals than the women who win. Not to mention any excuse to edit them to be as "stupid" or shallow as possible, the show ALWAYS takes advantage of this. Sometimes the stealthy edit makes sense, like with Tina or Dani when they were intentionally hiding much of their gameplay from the cameras and confessionals. But the vast majority of the time this is not the case - Jenna M absolutely crushing The Amazon despite being portrayed as a stupid shallow villain, Vecepia, Sophie, etc. all get this same treatment. Parvati, Kim, and Sandra (in PI, not HvV) are the only winning women who i'd say receive quite positive edits with generous amounts of screentime. I agree with this video about Amber and Natalie White being massively underserved by the edits in favor of the hyper macho and kind-of-sexist dude runner ups. Kaoh Rong is hard for me, because I personally wish Aubrey won, but Aubrey / Michelle / Cydney ALL give off such hard deserving-winner energy that I wish all three of them could've won the season in the same way I wish Yul and Ozzy could've shared the Cook Islands win. haha

[@daniellegershman9165]

Tbh if he were to come back (and he won’t), Ozzy would use the edge as a strategy. He practically did it already with redemption island. The edge as a concept feels like a twist to help challenge beasts like Ozzy have a real shot at winning instead of completely being eliminated the first time they lose individual immunity. I know Ozzy won’t come back considering the current state of survivor and his recent personal career choices, but potentially players that are very similar to him (if that’s possible) could 100% use the edge as their strategy and win the game from it. Heck, I would say Chris actually fits that mold pretty well, though he didn’t exactly want to be voted out and go to the edge.

[@km_studios]

Personally, I think it's arrogant to say "_____ should have won." We weren't there! We're seeing a highlight reel of what happened over the course of 39 days (one that the editors can craft to tell the story they like). To say "_____ should have won" is to insinuate that we have a better idea of who should win than people who were out there, playing the game and living with the finalists

[@Кинокультист]

Not really. Because we see players plans, we can understand their strategy better, and also we are less emotionaly attached to peope out there. Because of that we can see that people like Rodney played great games and people liks Sandra in HvV played terribly

[@km_studios]

@@Кинокультист But having just the right emotional attachment to the jurors--being close enough that they like you, but not so close that they feel betrayed by you--IS the social game. I think it is really understated in the show just how important the social game is (because, frankly, it doesn't make for super entertaining TV), but the reality is that people make decisions with their emotions, so being able to make the people on the jury WANT YOU TO WIN (at least, more than the people you're next to at the end) is an ESSENTIAL part of winning Survivor

[@simplebutpowerful]

@@km_studios Well said, and for that reason I agree it's naive to state that any win is un-deserved. But I think it's also okay for the audience to disagree with the Jury. Beyond the fact that we see the game play out from a whole different perspectice... just as the jurors are people, viewers are people - and different finalists appeal to different viewers. It's part of the appeal of the show.

[@JurzGarz]

The fan reaction to Natalie’s win was really, really gross. Especially since, by pro-Russell logic, Natalie didn’t deserve to win and, thus isn’t responsible for getting more votes anyway.

[@bobgray6498]

It was disgusting. It really showed you who understood the game and who didn't

[@ramibaghdadi1255]

I loved the fact that I knew right away Russell wouldn't win and I correctly predicted Natalie winning.

[@bobgray6498]

@@ramibaghdadi1255 When Samoa first aired, I was so confused during the final episode. I didn't know who was going to win. I figured it couldn't be Mick because he did nothing, it couldn't be Russell because he was such an asshole, and Natalie wasn't shown like at all, so I didn't have a clue who would win

[@RayMon504]

Whenever I'm having a bad day I just turn to 3:57 and Amber's expression puts a smile on my face. LMMMMMAAOOOOO

[@Rictavio27]

I think in All Stars, Samoa, and Koah Rong, the reason that the winner was controversial is because they played more social games, which is harder to show on screen than strategic or challenge prowess.

[@ASG-nm4cz]

Season 1: America confused Richard won despite not coming off as "nice" Russell seasons: America confused Russell lost despite him not coming off as "nice"

[@mallowout]

you could honestly just reuse your thumbnail for 'The Biggest Screen Hogs in Survivor History (Part 1)'

[@CatAussieCanadian]

It’s crazy to think that Survivor likely would never have become the game it is today without Rich. I always loved that ending but this really proves how good it is.

[@dawnr7453]

Big Brother US season 1 was fan voted. And now is barely acknowledged

[@RyokoAsakuraLastFan]

For Me, Michelle was rather lucky when Joe was medivac'd. As Michelle had Julia, Jason and Scott's votes locked and only needed one vote to secure the win. Either being from Debbie or Cydney.

[@pandumb7060]

If joe wasnt medivac’d, then the f4 immunity becomes f5 immunity and the remove-a-juror comp becomes f4 immunity. Michele won both of those competitions anyway. Cydney goes out at 5 and Tai at 4. Michele beats Aubry and Joe in the same 5-2-0 vote until Neil is still on jury making it a 5-3-0 vote

[@dakidsofly09]

I’d stake my life on the fact that Michelle does not win a finally 3 against Joe and Aubry . I believe Joe is the only one who can beat her from that final 6

[@francisp7825]

3:52 we found the answer to “who wants to date someone that doesn’t make the merge?”

[@pandumb7060]

This is the most underrated comment I’ve ever seen

[@reubenmanzo2054]

So apparently, people once thought the use of an alliance was cheating? The board game 'Diplomacy' predates the show by about 40 years and is essentially the same game on a smaller scale. Anyone who's played will tell you that you're expected to make alliances. It's practically a requirement if you don't want to be the first person eliminated.

[@sleepinggiant4145]

Russel the kind of guy to show up for a Chess Match in full NFL Pads and complain he earned the win when he tackled the Table and sent the pieces flying everywhere I am sure you would have won your fantasy game, but everyone else was playing Survivor, maybe he should have tried playing that game

[@conanmcclanahan1069]

Just here to say - when Michele won, my sister, my girlfriend, and myself all lost it like kids in a candy store! Cheering, shouting, maybe happier for any contestant than we ever have been before, 2nd only to Natalie. There was some connection producers helped her make with our generation, or simply her character itself, that was endearing to us in a very real and visceral way. She "deserved it" just as much as anyone!!!

[@venomnbk3326]

Letting the public vote would be a disaster. It's the same reason why the Oscars won't let the public vote, if they did, movies like Twilight and Transformers would have won best picture by a landslide.

[@504ever4]

It's not really that I think Aubry deserved to win. It just sucked to see her lose because she was insanely unlucky while Michelle was insanely lucky. Michelle is plenty likable but it didn't make for a satisfying ending.

[@bigbuffguy9589]

Michele wasn't that lucky. She won immunities and was well-liked, which kept her safe for most of the game. Aubry screwed up by voting out Jason instead of Michele at final 6. Even putting aside Joe's medevac, what happens if Michele just wins the final two immunity challenges? That happens all the time in Survivor. Also, if we're talking about luck, Aubry was lucky that Neal got medevaced to prevent her boot, and she was also lucky that it wasn't a final two.

[@jayjasperjp]

@@bigbuffguy9589 First of all, Michele WAS insanely lucky. She only went to 6 tribal councils the entire season, the fewest of any winner. Second of all, it’s been confirmed that the plan right after the merge was to split the votes between Neal and Aubry to flush out Neal’s idol. Neal would’ve gotten 4 votes, Aubry 3, which means Neal would’ve been voted out if he didn’t play his idol. Third of all, the reason Jason was voted out at final 6 was because Nick had told Aubry before he was voted out that if Jason reached the end, Nick would vote for him because he started out on the worst tribe (Brawn) and still managed to make it to the end. In addition, Scot and Julia were on the jury at that point and they also would’ve voted for Jason, which means Aubry made the right choice voting him out. Aubry also considered Jason more of a physical threat than Michele to win the last few immunities. What screwed Aubry was the Joe medevac. If that didn’t happen Michele would’ve been voted out at final 5, Cydney at final 4, leaving a final 3 of Aubry/Tai/Joe in which Aubry wins.

[@dyeager152]

Tbh thought Sophie would be here. I remember people being pissed coach didn’t win.

[@roger_towny_jr]

...Nah. Sophie was a badass. Coach played well, but his final tribal performance was terrible. He did not do a good job explaining his game at all.

[@dyeager152]

@@roger_towny_jr oh trust me I fully agree Sophie is one of my all time favorite players. I just remember arguing w so many people how she deserved her win.

[@simplebutpowerful]

@@dyeager152 Before the airing of WaW Sophie might have made this list. But WaW seems to have reminded folks how awesome she is.

[@statsy150]

Honestly when you are on mana getting voted out third is probably the best move you can make

[@adrianespinel7758]

9:42 what if Idoled Out is actually Keith Famie and the person speaking is just a hired voice actor? [X-files theme]

[@berrybaby1570]

Controverchele is a great pun

[@kaitlynbannon4567]

Here's some context on the six listed people who got the same amount of confessionals in their seasons as Natalie did in hers: none of those six made jury. That's how underedited she was. Personally, I try not to disregard any Survivor winner as undeserving, no matter how they played.

[@theredlineonepiece9811]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 She was just dragged by Russell.

[@CA-zr1kz]

I think Aubrey lost cause of her behavior at final tribal she kept going limp and apologizing and Michelle didn’t back down to the jury she defended herself and Aubrey just told them basically you’re I’m horrible

[@zeaferjones1404]

I don't think Aubrey had an Amanda level of bad FTC but it wasn't great. While I think Michele was masterful there. She appealed to Sydney's emotions, she explained her strategy perfectly to Jason, Scott just complimented her but I know that flex thing she did appealed to him and her ending speech was perfect with the tears not feeling forced. Oh yeah I almost forgot Julia doing the 8 mile thing where she lists the flaws in Michele's early game and then said she was proud of Michele for voting her out saying it was the turning point in Micheles game.

[@SortaNonymous]

I don't know if they could ever give an old season a random complete re-edit, but if they could somehow give that treatment to any season, then it absolutely must be Samoa.

[@bigbuffguy9589]

Saying that Aubry is the "most charming narrator since Jonathan Penner" is some serious Tony erasure.

[@Наиля-о7к]

I hate Tony. And this is from someone who really likes Russell.

[@PintheDog]

​@Наиля-о7к The fact that you like Russell already makes your taste suspect. Good for hating, Tony, though.

[@klynxb]

And here we are, one year later

[@TheAntiSanta]

God, this is just making me miss the days when Jurors would get salty over massive betrayals, and you had to play strategic with who you pissed off getting to the end. Seems like since I started watching Survivor again, you could literally try to murder other contestants, and as long as you appeared to have been a strategic mastermind, those same contestants would say, "This person played a very good game, you've got my vote."

[@zeaferjones1404]

That is why I don't like when Idoled Out rips on a someone for loyalty or "not playing the game." I don't want to see heartless gamebots. It hasn't gotten to that point yet but when you look back on Micronesia Parvati and think, "you know she was actually pretty loyal," you know it is heading that way. I've actually done that. Parvati is sort of known for being a backstabber but she really only backstabbed one person and she was almost in tears when it happened. I think people confuse Parvati laughing at her enemies being eliminated to her reactions when she pulls off a blindside against an ally. Now people "copy" her but they are laughing at their own allies being betrayed which is a bad look. Also, people forget Parvati straight up told James that she wanted to go to the finals with all girls. He didn't take it well but she risked blowing up her own game just to not blindside the guy. Sure it was basically a risk free move but a gamebot would tell you to blindside him just incase he has an idol.

[@bballpanda3969]

I'm not mad that Chris beat Gavin, but instead that devens didn't win. While Devens himself was a returnee, he was only out for a very short amount of time. It felt honestly like the russel case where he got all of the time on screen, he was really charming and was the best character on the show.

[@pacific_productions]

Devens had almost no actual social political game which is the main element that is comprised of the ideals of Survivor, he just found things in the bushes, and pretended he knew what was going on to the jury like the Ron vote. Gavin or Julie 100% should’ve been rewarded with A win, however I do understand that it’s not Chris’s fault for trying to hard but them two player amazing social strategic games, they were just too passive.

[@Hatzmanialand]

The edit made it very clear that Devens had a shot, but also incredibly clear that he would not win.

[@Кинокультист]

Gavin played a better game then Rick and should've won over him. Rick made the biggest mistake you can make on survivor and fundamentaly lost the game

[@a.jdeets5527]

He was the ‘best character’ because the editors shoved him down our throats. Even though he was out of the game for a short amount of time, Rick still played a very poor game and would’ve been sent home without his stupid idols. Literally one idol was gifted to him.

[@miragexl007]

It is funny to think back to the first Survivor, which I don't remember, and understand why people would think it's kind of cheating or wrong for building alliances to weed out other people. Interesting. That's how the game is or should be and always has been and will be. And makes sense. But yeah, I can see why it would be looked at as wrong in that first show.... Each individual needs to win on their own accord.

[@justinpascal8332]

why is Michele so underrated

[@felixvecchiarelli6458]

Great vid!

[@bobyalex3d]

When you were talking about Chris win. I can remember Ozzy in south pacific trying this strategy. He intentionally went to extintion to stay longer. Although he didn't won was a good move :)

[@chargingbadger867]

That was redemption island, not the edge

[@helpmejanice8123]

4:02 omg lol😂😂😂😂😂

[@jobee1]

It’s ironic that the reason some people in past seasons are disliked because they made ruthless game decisions when that is the norm today and we now applaud that strategy. Seems hypocritical.

[@Matt-uv9lr]

Natalie actually had 15 confessionals

[@teamsteed1]

"Survivor" is like "The Hunger Games."

[@jafarohlala9936]

3:25 this was true art

[@slowbro173]

Have you done a video on the best/worst shelters in survivor history?

[@EzraDair]

That Ben moment at the reunion 🤣🤣🤣

[@lafingscarecrow]

oh be quiet, you clearly have a dry sense of humor if you find that funny

[@noahs5636]

There should probably be a part 2 to this list that includes seasons like HHH, and South Pacific

[@Thepokedek]

yikes imagine wanting Benjamin to win from SP 🥴

[@noahs5636]

@@Thepokedek I didn’t say I wanted him to win, just saying Sophie was another controversial winner. A lot of people thought Coach should have won and made Sophie feel like she was one of Survivor’s worst winners (when that’s quite the contrary)

[@kaitlynbannon4567]

@@noahs5636 Considering she outright decimated Coach with her Final Tribal performance... How is she considered by anyone to be a bad winner?

[@noahs5636]

@@kaitlynbannon4567 not sure, I think she’s great! I think it mostly came down to the edit. Sophie was pretty under-edited and Coach got all the screen time.

[@smallss7197]

Tbh Chris could have played one of the best games ever if he never got voted out. That is if he played like that the whole game

[@King-Revel22]

Ive seen someone explain his game in the last 5 days And how he played it exactly how he had to with little wiggle room. He has to sit next to Gavin and Julie, has to get Lauren to use her idol on him, get his idol back from devens, win final four and then beat devens in fire. Small changes throw off his entire set up

[@smallss7197]

@@King-Revel22 yea, which is why I said one of the best. I think his win was deserved tbb

[@penndawt]

Just out of curiousity, why was Ben left out? Or if you made a top 6, would be have been #6?

[@poverty9696]

QUEENCHELE FITZLEGEND IN THE THUMBNAIL !!!

[@aperson22222]

I remember heading into the S38 finale, looking at a list of everyone still in contention and realizing that with one episode to go there were still quite a few whose names I didn’t recognize. I was getting tired of Rick’s “This just in!” shtick and was reluctant to root for him. So I thought, Maybe the Edge winner will be the one I back? And for the record, at that point I hoped it would be Chris. I think I’d have more sympathy for those who hate him winning if he’d had some serious competition at the final, but Gavin was such a nobody. No charisma at all. You really want to declare him robbed?

[@simplebutpowerful]

My guess is you were rooting for Chris because he received an unusually high concentration of confessionals while on the Edge. I didn't understand why they bothered showing us so much Edge - and so much Chris - until of course he reentered, and then it made sense. The edit was designed to make Chris's 13 days of game play, as well as his 26 days on the Edge, as palatable as possible. At first I felt Gavin was robbed, but now I'm at peace with it because at least Chris set the bar super-high for any future Edge returnees. Of which there will hopefully be none, because that format is trash and needs to go the way of the dodo (i.e., go Extinct. lol). Survivor with EoE simply isn't Survivor imo... it's a different game, which I don't love.

[@FiveN9ne]

@@simplebutpowerful My issue with Chris winning was when he gave up immunity and then decided who makes fire. This shouldn't be possible. If you give up immunity, you are no longer safe and you no longer have fire, but he was allowed to do both. The other players could have just gone "well he's no longer immune, lets vote him out" and it should have been completely valid and possible. This is ignoring the fact he spent so much time with the jury in a non-game environment and just making friends.

[@ThorHC11]

@@FiveN9ne Well, the whole point of the F4 fire making is that there IS no vote out at 4. So they couldn't have "voted him out".

[@ThorHC11]

I don't think Luke is saying that HE thinks Gavin was robbed, I think he's speaking from a general widespread audience perspective.

[@FiveN9ne]

@@ThorHC11 My point is that it shouldn't be like that and that there should be a vote out at 4.

[@hollanthemusician]

This is some top notch commentary.

[@RandomIndyWrestling]

Just a note - the UK version did have a fan vote for the jury

[@petrebogdanionescu6486]

What does she say at 3:57?

[@graysonthomas1433]

I thought Natalie got 15 confessionals

[@IdoledOut]

I can't count, just pretend I said 15 😂

[@ryanweeks8186]

In my opinion, a jury should vote for whoever they think played the best game. It shouldn’t be “who do I like more”. It should be “who played better”. I think it’s a shame that Russell never won, despite being, in many ways, one of the best to ever play the game

[@rokeYouuer]

I'm definitely part of the problem then, because I would, *you know*, vote for the person I wanted to win, not the person who was a jerk to me and ruined my chance to get a million dollars. In a court of law the jury is supposed to be unbiased. In the court of Survivor, the jury can be as absolutely biased as they feel, and that's part of the appeal.

[@typhlosionproductions5970]

The random sims commentary caught me so off guard lol

[@easy_nator_gamer8498]

Awww you read my comment from 4 months ago on your "Top 10 Most Shocking Winner Reveals" video Easy_Nator_Gamer 4 months ago "I firmly believe the EoE people had a deal in place and whoever came back at 6th was going to win if they made it to FTC. Just look at the votes, the only people that voted for Gavin were either hardly on EoE or not at all. Being out on EoE for all that time, you know they had to have discussed this. Not to mention people like Reem who were out there on EoE from the beginning never played with or even met Gavin or Julie. I think Chris's fire making play was all flash and likely unnecessary as even if Rick Devins was in the FTC I still think Chris takes it because the EoE people made some kind of agreement or deal with each other."

[@msnmpn7]

I don't necessarily think that's true though. In his Ponderosa video, the jury makes it overwhelmingly clear that they were rooting for Devens to win. He most likely still wins if Gavin or Julie eliminate Devens, but this is the only shot he has to take down the literal biggest threat in the game, so he has to take that shot himself. Plus he likely knows that whichever of the two of them won that fire making challenge would win the game, so he would likely rather face him head on and lose than risk having someone else lose it for him.

[@magagne95]

You can now add season 43’s result on this list

[@gerstein03]

I think Chris Underwood's win is a perfect example of why the Edge twist doesn't work. They're effectively playing an inverted version of survivor where instead of every few days someone new gets added to the game and the thing that makes it hard for you to get juries to vote for you isn't a factor. Redemption Island, while kind of a lame twist (being voted out should mean you are out) at least functionally works within the game. You are constantly at risk of elimination if you're at Redemption Island because there's a challenge to determine if you're dead or alive every three days and you're practically there all alone. Edge has no risk attached to it. Just stay on the island with all the other vote offs until the challenge and try to win a reentrance

[@jennehdamm2496]

I loved the idea of EoE but maybe halfway through and that's it. Waiting until 6 PLUS an idol was ridiculous.

[@viniciusrocha749]

Survivor Brazil called "No Limite" is going to premiere next tuesday and in this fifth season the winnner will be decided by the public. The jury is going to eliminate one of the final three, and the final two will be decided by vote. This is going to be terrible. lol

[@IdoledOut]

That sounds honestly like it has hilarious trainwreck potential. I am intrigued!

[@viniciusrocha749]

@@IdoledOut the cast is formed by former Big Brother Brazil's contestans. It's not the best cast possible, but It is decent. I hope they deliver a good and streategic season, but the public here is like America when it comes to decide things. But this is the first new Survivor in a entire year. I hope I can enjoy it.

[@TheAntiSanta]

@@viniciusrocha749 That sounds a little less bad, knowing that at least the public has seen these people before and should know a little bit about them. Otherwise, the winners is gonna be whoever gets the best edit (or worst, if Brazil is pissed off at the season or just wants to troll).

[@queenzoroark]

@@TheAntiSanta Actually we vote for who deserves it more and who is more heroic. So yeah, villains have no chance when it's public vote. We have the 2000's viewset when its voting.

[@terrancebrown87]

I liked, I’ve already been a subscriber but I unsubscribed just to re subscribe. Can we get a silly one for a future episode? The way you explain things it would be great to watch.

[@erinjoyner3739]

Rob was robbed because the jury were a bunch of salty babies who couldn't handle the fact that he chose the game over 'friendship', despite almost all of them doing exactly the same thing and planning without hesitation to stab him in the back, as well. Never got so annoyed at a jury in all the years I've watched Survivor. But what sweet piece of justice that Rob and Amber got married and are still married, so they both won, anyway.

[@penthousewhippit]

Tai deserved at least a few votes. He worked his ass off and had correct instincts with everything, including the Michelle vote that Aubrey turned her back on.

[@kfost55]

I remember a time when Greg asked richard and Kelly to pick a number and that's who he would vote for...

[@justing3664]

LMAO the roast on Chris is awesome. Worst winner ever