George RR Martin's CRYPTIC Winds of Winter UPDATE | Is The Winds of Winter Coming or CANCELLED?

Game of Thrones Season 8 was a disaster, but that isn't going to stop HBO. As we approach the 10 year anniversary of the premiere of the show. HBO decided to post a 'Winter is Coming' tweet and it sparked calls to remake Season 8. Just by coincidence, George RR Martin gave us an update of sorts where he stated the same thing in a rather cryptic post on his status. Which lead some people to believe he may be close to finishing The Winds of Winter OR we may never you see it. Either way George sounds DONE, and I don't mean finished with the book. So is most of the fandom.
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#WindsOfWinter #GameOfThrones #ASOIAF

[@GaudiaCertaminisGaming]

Right now the biggest fantasy writer is the guy churning out Martin's contracts.

[@srikanth007spl]

😂

[@KRISTIANITY_]

That was an awesome comment :D

[@Glitch_in_the_Matrix]

Super Procrastinator

[@LordDink]

Based

[@beautyforashes2022]

Lol, clever.

[@jorge23483]

I discovered a sixth state of grief: indifference. We need to move on.

[@colossusslayer1234]

Couldn't say it better. It's over, we're never getting an ending to the books, it's time we move on.

[@awesomereviews1561]

Damn right

[@crazygemini82]

Ughhhhhhh. It hurts but is so true. Honestly if the show ended better it might not hurt as bad. But bc the ending was such a s**t fest, it made me need the book ending that much more. But it ain't gonna happen folks. F**K!!!!!

[@badfrankenstein1009]

I've reached that state of grief with both GOT/A Song of Ice & Fire and Star Wars.

[@maryford3676]

I've moved on after waiting for Dance with Dragons. I got surprised when I walked into B&N and it was there, lol. I listen to random updates like this just to see how everyone is holding up.

[@hatchetmouth8211]

I don't want them to fix season 8. I want everyone to forever remember how their laziness and ineptitude turned a household name into something no one speaks of overnight.

[@ilkkarautio2449]

The book people are definitely still interested. 🤔

[@mirceazaharia2094]

@@ilkkarautio2449 For their sakes, I hope that Mr Martin gets his thumb out and gets cracking on a good conclusion to this series.

[@albertbresca8904]

that is the way

[@Grandude77]

Just think of the great TV series you always recommend when people ask, GOT should be on that list but I bet it's not because of the last 2 seasons.

[@boki1693]

Just include Martin in that statement because him not finishing the books is the reason the two knuckleheads had to write the ending. And don't forget martin had heavy input in what came out on HBO.

[@cinnamonnoir2487]

It's pretty rich that George and his publishers expect fans to be really interested in his equivalent of "Farmer Giles of Ham" when he isn't even done making his "Lord of the Rings" yet. Aren't prequels supposed to fill in the gaps of a _complete_ story? This is the only franchise I've ever heard of that had an expanded universe before it even had a proper original story.

[@kazikek2674]

I mean, he can work on his world however he wants and in any order he wants as long as his publishers agree to it and he understands what kind of criticism he may generate with it. I honestly think at this point he is either too trapped in perfectionism when it comes to finishing the next book or too tired of that 'part of his world' in general. It no longer makes him happy to write about it, and editing and revising it is a chore (which are double unpleasant when you're his age, tired, and with other worries), so he directs his attention elsewhere.

[@frodofraggins]

I think Wheel of time got a prequel in the middle of the proper series

[@cinnamonnoir2487]

@@frodofraggins Interesting. ...Of course, Robert Jordan actually _did_ do what fans of A Song of Ice and Fire are worried George will do: die before his series is finished. Which means that straying from the main plot before the story is finished could be seen as a pretty bad omen.

[@frodofraggins]

@@cinnamonnoir2487 well he also made copious notes and made sure the series would be finished - George doesn't want anyone to finish his series if he dies. And so I can't be arsed to reread the existing ASOIAF novels

[@AaroInTheKnee]

Is he a ham?

[@andrejangelov4934]

Things that we will never see: -Half Life 3 -Portal 3 -The Winds of Winter

[@ErickSoares3]

A Dream of Spring

[@aravinds3846]

Elden ring

[@aravinds3846]

The new war quest

[@aravinds3846]

The duviri paradox

[@aravinds3846]

Dead island 2

[@carlmanvers5009]

Winter may be coming, but hell will freeze over before this book is released.

[@TheSinisterkelly]

That's a kinda winter?

[@cindyharrington5958]

I strongly agree!

[@artimuos903]

Lucifer can arrange that.

[@Trustworthy_McLegitimate]

The heat death of the universe will come first before the release of A Dream of Spring

[@ilkkarautio2449]

What are you talking about? Hell is literally a frozen wasteland, im from there.

[@ad9aggie]

I'll believe Winds of Winter is done when I'm holding it in my cold, dead, hands.

[@RayGainbows]

Probably hasn't even started.

[@George-um2vc]

Dang that was grim

[@Aaron-is8yt]

@@RayGainbows you don't know much do you

[@rohanasuthkar9543]

@@Aaron-is8yt I theorize that GRRM finished Winds of winter in 2017 and decided to say fuck it and started all over again.

[@stephenterry4290]

At this rate. they will literally be cold dead hands.

[@mannypardo1080]

Its amazing how Martin sat on a total fantasy goldmine that went up in smoke.

[@Methyll]

the biggest mistake that George Martin made was selling the rights of Game of thrones to HBO before he even finish his work, if he never finished his work but never sold his work to a company then I wouldn't have cared as much

[@saymyname2417]

It's unfathomable, isn't it?!

[@devilinthedetails9665]

Inconceivable, even. (Cue Inigo Montoya.)

[@willyburger]

He's siting on plenty of gold.

[@saymyname2417]

@@Methyll - Well, taking HBO's offer meant lots of money and I understand how alluring that is. But he obviously gave the dumpsters a carte blanche and had no power and control. And they messed it up with the network's allowance. Maybe witnessing the devastation made him stop writing. I could understand the frustration but exactly BECAUSE of that I would have wanted my series to have a propper ending; possibly totally different than the badly written fanfiction. It's beyond me how Martin can just let these embodiments of incompetence and indifference ruin his world famous creation.

[@one-eye1721]

How they just gave up on advancing Tyrion's storyline after he kills Tywin is really the show's biggest sin. There was so much great stuff with his enslavement they could have done.

[@sparingpickle4918]

Yea my theory is that Tyrion will meet Danny and actually give her great advice on how to destroy the wheel but then Danny will go mad and kill everyone Tyrion knows and then realize what his anger has done.

[@simon709]

@@sparingpickle4918 wow, nice prediction. Too bad HBO gave up after 4 seasons.

[@sparingpickle4918]

@@simon709 To be fair it was d and d that gave up. Everyone including HBO wanted it go on longer.

[@simon709]

@@sparingpickle4918 As far as I know, HBO decided to kidnap and torture the writers. I don't know why and how they've done this. However, the show is great! I can't wait for the season 5.

[@sparingpickle4918]

@@simon709 lmaoooooooooo. Facts 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@METALFREAK03]

Are people still naive that this man will ever finish his series? He's not a Tolkien or Jordan, I am sorry guys.

[@briancrist6388]

Ya, cuz jordan finished his. He really finished strong, i thought the last few books were great.

[@agent_of_cthulhu]

​@@briancrist6388 it was an ending. He did die after all. What's George's excuse?

[@briancrist6388]

@@agent_of_cthulhu Jordan died before the final books were written... thats why sanderson had to finish them. Martin will likely have the same excuse as jordan as to why they had to be finished by someone else

[@agent_of_cthulhu]

@@briancrist6388 I know what happened. I read the entire series. The main difference here is that Jordan had already put out 11 books in the series when he died and they all came out within 2-3 years of the previous book. His output puts Martin to shame. Not only that but he left a wealth of notes and other resources behind for another writer to use to finish his series. I have no doubt that if he had lived he would have finished the series. We will obviously never know for sure because he unfortunately contracted a terminal condition.

[@briancrist6388]

@@agent_of_cthulhu Ya i was just talkin crap cuz he mentioned jordan who did actually die before he finished it. How do you like sandersons finish compared to the pure jordan books

[@donald2167]

After the eighth season of GOT, books on hold for years, I'm done...

[@davfree9732]

There may be Summer ahead... ... but while there's Night Kings and Clegane and Stone Hearts, and Reek. Lets find the text doc and peek.

[@christopherthrobbin7951]

second that book drops you'd get it don't lie lol

[@whitealliance9540]

@@christopherthrobbin7951 thats why theres no books coming. Dance of dragons is written so sloppily and rushed its a joke. Hes a bad writer. He got annoyed with the fans reminding him that he is an old man. He makes cool short stories and cool concepts but he cannot follow through with them. My bro GRRM is from the projects. He has $50 million bucks and HBO just wants to see a return on that investment. People said that about season 7 and 8... "Oh its gonna be different oh they will explain more stuff", whatever! What's sad is that at a time when everyone is looking for escapism and fantacy, this dude GRRM is sitting on his hands trying to get more money for his failed side stories. Someone needs to out-write him. Maybe some Lovecraftian "black oily stones" need to be sent to him for inspiration. Whatever.

[@TheIslingtongirl]

It's no longer a handful of years. It's been a DECADE. I'm just glad all the other writers I follow seem to have no problems releasing books every couple of years.

[@neroshanvijay873]

@@TheIslingtongirl What other writers do you follow? It would be interesting to know if they're worth following and looking into their stories.

[@moonbastic]

Listen, I remember consuming the first book when I was junior in high school. Instantly hooked. I'm now 40. Get on with it already, George.

[@mimi_j]

🥺🥺🥺I’m so sorry 😢 this literally hurts knowing how hard he’s procrastinating

[@jonathanhendrix2925]

God damn😂😂😂

[@thomasperricone7777]

I’m 42, same story.

[@jewsco]

I was in college just turning 21 and now will be 50 soon

[@oldboy4271]

45, I feel every word of this comment....

[@tommydeadwood]

Couldn’t imagine caring about anything GOT anymore. I was obsessed with it for years. I daydreamed about it all day and dreamt about it at night.

[@jugulator0]

It would be like getting back with an ex girlfriend at this stage....

[@D3K018]

Yup, the damage is already done... At this point most fans have already moved on, anything related with game of thrones in the future would be like a zombie.

[@blazingcadence1263]

@Joshua Foley lmao buddy, web searches for GoT is less than web searches for riverdale. Riverdale has less than a million average viewers

[@blazingcadence1263]

@Joshua Foley You do realize i'm talking about current searches not previous right? The argument is GoT is dead now rather than prior years. Also GoT encompasses both BOOK + TV show.

[@BadWolf762]

@Joshua Foley 45 million fans bought the blu rays because they invested 8 years into the series and had to complete their sets. Even though season 8 was a complete turd they felt the need to round out their collection. That and they might have been viewers that watched from the discs and not from HBO.

[@jgw9990]

JK Rowling gets a lot of deserved criticism, but at least she finished her series. She planned to do 7 books, and she delivered 7 books.

[@rakatsceptic6379]

It's not as complex as GoT, she can write 10 books and it wouldn't be as hard as writing one GoT book

[@joeymobb8438]

@@rakatsceptic6379 Lol, not the point.

[@OnlyKaerius]

@@rakatsceptic6379 There's plenty of complex book series out there, that actually finished. GoT got nothing on Tale of the Malazans: Book of the Fallen, when it comes to complexity.

[@MotherBra1n]

@@rakatsceptic6379 it's more the fact that JK Rowling was focused as opposed to George RR Martin who is a master procrastinator and looks for every excuse available to be "too busy" to work on the Winds of Winter

[@Dularr]

@@MotherBra1n It also doesn't help that GRRM has been writing professionally for twenty years

[@ryanatorryanson9535]

It seems like he just doesn’t really care anymore. He made his millions and is content with just being a celebrity.

[@harrymills2770]

I would be.

[@mofmia1530]

I mean it’s pretty hard to keep up passion for something for 25 years. He has no passion for it anymore

[@misterbooga6466]

@@mofmia1530 why do you say that?

[@misterbooga6466]

He doesn’t enjoy being a celebrity, bruh 🤣

[@ryanatorryanson9535]

@@misterbooga6466 Sure sure. Whatever you say.

[@squoblat]

This feels like a veiled apology for him admitting to himself that he's not going to finish the series.

[@wildfire160]

Its very obvious he`s written himself into a corner and has no idea how to go on ...either its a block of his ideas have run out..

[@grallonsphere]

@@wildfire160 Or he saw the backlash to what is, in his own words, the proper ending - and it scared him off. The last book I read was the 3rd one. There the first of his big gaps between 3 & 4. When 4 came out, 5 or 6 years had passed, the reviews were mixed and I didn't feel like re-reading the first 3 so... Then not long after the show was announced.

[@Kai555100]

@@grallonsphere you also forget 4 and five were originally intended to be one book

[@jgw9990]

@@grallonsphere Bran along with near all magic related elements were toned down in the show -which robbed him of all importance. I imagine many people wouldn't be so opposed to him if he was actually useful in the books and pivotal to victory which seemed to be the direction the author was going.

[@MrKrtek00]

@@grallonsphere He had struggles with writing for very long, long before the show even started. Also, let us not forget that from the original trilogy plan (long long ago), he has practically finished a little more than the first book! He says it is two books to finish, but frankly, those are about the same two books he planed in the trilogy (D's landing on Westeros, fight, then fighting with the White Walkers). In reality, the story of those two books he is promising can be 5 or more in his writing style! Checking his published chapters from the new book, the story is not moving very fast and he has the seeds of much more stories in his head, I am sure.

[@greatazuredragon]

Even if he publishes Winds of Winter next year he will never end the series at this pace. He will never finish a dream of spring before passing away due to old age if it takes even half as long.

[@ninjagirl226]

I have wondered if he's writing them both at the same time to make sure the ending is consistent and there's no massive plot holes, but probably not.

[@greatazuredragon]

@@ninjagirl226 That would be amazing, but very unlikely.

[@TheBayzent]

@@ninjagirl226 No, he is writting the Targaryen ones more or less at the same time. He is also not doing so well healthwise, so...

[@greatazuredragon]

@@TheBayzent a sad end to an amazing story...

[@undefinedvariable8085]

Yea, look, if he does finish Winds of Winter it'll most likely be rushed, just like the final season. A Dream of Spring he'll never finish (or even start) but the in-prints/publishers will find author/s who will.

[@pogue6327]

I know I'm not alone in saying...I no longer care. Book gets finished, ok I'll read it...books don't get finished, don't care anymore, I'll read something else.

[@prettypinkmma7770]

Anything actually good out theae days?

[@richtifilmpalast5373]

Absolutely! when I saw the title of this video I was like: "yaaaawn... that's still a thing!?" Simply don't care anymore. Martin should give it a rest, stop pretending, take his millions and just enjoy hanging out and be quiet....

[@780Bhatinda]

@@prettypinkmma7770 Highly recommend Red Rising by Pierce Brown! Also Stormlight Archive by Brandon Sanderson. The entirety of Joe Abercrombie, start at the beginning because they're all connected.

[@agonsfitness7308]

I'm not even bothering to buy or read it. This is the first update I've picked up on in nigh on a year.

[@nastassjaloots4717]

At this point I’m honestly not even sure I’ll read the book/s 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@kidzfromthebloc]

He’s trying to tell us he will never finish these books

[@Miralee01]

Just being brutality honest, I think the guy got bogged down, didn't know how to finish the book, got caught up in his own hype, and is probably going to croak before the book can be completed. Sad but true I'm afraid:(

[@stiofarnog]

Given the rest of his works, he'll probably end with revealing that the 'gods' are actually the Children of the Forest Hive Mind, which is actually inimical to mankind. Which he won't actually do anything with, the same as he left it as a greater scope plot for the Thousand World.

[@ChadKakashi]

@@stiofarnog wtf why does he even need to reveal gods?

[@stiofarnog]

@@ChadKakashi Way to miss the point, genius.

[@XXterritoriogamerXX]

No. He has planed the ending and has written many chapters. Idk why he doesnt end this

[@Crimsonking2006]

I try very hard now not to be disappointed with George, but he needs to accepts responsibility for falling behind. He got overwhelmed when the GoT show caught up to his books...and now he signs another 5 year deal. Jeez George, come on, we have faith in you but you gotta take some accountability. Nonetheless, hopefully he can successfully finish The Winds of Winter and have some catharsis until his final novel Dream of Spring. This has not been easy for him but he should not be signing more deals if he can't finish the task at hand.

[@ravemaestro7398]

I love how he can constantly write paragraphs in a blog but not paragraphs for his book

[@d3athraz0r22]

He keeps finding time to write other books NO ONE LITERALLY GIVES A SINGULAR FLYING FUCK ABOUT

[@spirittammyk]

And he could always let someone else take over and he just proof read. So the sad truth, he is betraying all of his fans. I'm just glad I never invested a dime in his books.

[@76Eliam]

To be fair that's really not the same process.

[@ilkkarautio2449]

^ Exactly. A blog is just whatever, ASOIAF is his legacy.

[@mirceazaharia2094]

It takes discipline and work ethic. He just has to sit down and hash out his notes. He has to be willing to create all of the conditions and ambiance necessary to get into creative mode, then get to it. And he must keep a means of taking notes handy at all times, just in case inspiration strikes. He owes it to his work, and especially his fans.

[@fredbloggs5902]

I can confirm that I too have contemplated rewatching GoT, but then I remember what they did and the feeling goes away ☹️

[@NobleBruv]

Bro, I try... I just lose interest when I realize how lame it gets.

[@tommydeadwood]

I can’t rewatch, I threw season 1-7 in the garage.

[@athomicritics]

i just watch up to season 4 , back when writting was the best

[@opathoris]

I’ve steered many friends and family away from even starting GoT.

[@8asw8]

the first 4 seasons are watchable, the rest, to me, doesnt exist.

[@mistersquigee5119]

I've read an analysis of Martin's writing a long time ago and it was spot on. I can't remember the technical terms but the big line is that he has too many characters and he HAS to go through everything with them, he can't just make them skip in time and do nothing. So now he is paralyzed by the sheer mountain of story he has to write and the implications of so many character that have to interact with each other and meet at specific time and place and getting them there and closing each one's story line. He just can't do it

[@cristiansaucedo4707]

He wanted to tell the story of his fictional world. I would have advised him to tell it from the perspective of only the Starks. Then, when he did that, if he still wanted to, he could tell the story from the perspective of 1 or more families. He took on way too much :/

[@rociomiranda5684]

I agree. He is a garderner who doesn't know when to prune a tree o when it's time to pull out some weeds. And whatever new character or subplot comes into his head while he's writing, he has to fit it in somehow! The whole thing has become unmanageable. It's a shame because the White Walkers vs. the dragons idea is really good, and all he needed were three or four families at most, and not like fifty viewpoint characters.

[@loriannwhite8384]

@@cristiansaucedo4707 Or from Daenerys Targaryen perspective. Or the hidden plans of the Martells. In point of fact, anyone but the Lannisters or Starks.

[@loriannwhite8384]

@@rociomiranda5684 I’ve always thought the song of ice & fire was Dragons vs Walkers.

[@cristiansaucedo4707]

@@loriannwhite8384 Not them? Why?

[@MesaOracle]

You have said it before Gary. He knows he can never write an ending that will live up to expectations and he doesn't want to try and fail. A Dream of Spring will remain just that, a dream. The Winds of Winter will likely be released as an unfinished product upon his death to meet contractual obligations.

[@petebondurant58]

At this point...we just have to write our own fanfiction in order to wrap things up.

[@dra6ke]

True. And IF (ain’t going to happen) they redid season 8, I would even be fine if they didn’t redo it, and if they, instead, made it so Drogon took Dany to be resurrected, I’d be okay, provided they had excellent writers to be able to pull off that shit.

[@Themaninblack19]

Funny , he hates Fan Fiction too 🤣 Sorry George , you wont finish the damn thing

[@slyaspie4934]

@@Themaninblack19 "Oh it's coming and it's going to be great, there'll be weiners soft and flaccid, glistening in the sunlight" 🤣 sorry I just can't help but think of GRRM in South Park trolling everyone, when talk of the next book is brought up

[@pucaboo1591]

Bestie they already have lmao 😳

[@OhManTFE]

We already got fan fiction - it's called Season 8.

[@GIJoe-nk2pt]

D&D dropped the ball. George is the only one who could potentially fix all the bad blood with the real fans. But now I think he’s scared of even trying. I will remain as always Unbowed, unbent, and unbroken.

[@wakcackle3555]

They outright killed the possibility of reconstitution. I won't watch George's rendition as what he originally wrote wouldn't be "allowed" now. SJW PC kulture needs to die first.

[@neonspark7178]

and unoriginal

[@Daemonarch2k6]

The series killed the whole franchise, thx d&d

[@KadayiPolokov]

LOL. The last couple of seasons probably would have turned out better if they'd had more than an outline to work off of. Whose fault is that?

[@henryhunter8068]

@@wakcackle3555 George is a SJW though. Look for him criticizing Tolkien and talking about orcs, he said because Tolkien never explained beyond "Aragorn became a good king" and didn't explain whether orcs were integrated in the society or exterminated, that Tolkien failed at writing in that part. Because you know, Goblins and Orcs need civil rights according to Martin... And that's why I became a weeb, because Goblin Slayer knows that goblins are inherently evil, and even the infant goblins would stab you and eat you the moment you decided to turn the back on them because you took pity.

[@briansmaller7443]

At this stage I don't even care any more.

[@souvikchakraborty8055]

If u didn't care then u wouldn't have been here

[@briansmaller7443]

@@souvikchakraborty8055 I don't are if Martin ever finishes his story. I still like listening to pop culture vids while working though

[@Anonymous-iw4hx]

yup, just like waiting for HL2 : episode 3

[@spacedinosaur8733]

GRRM need one of those publisher assistants from Japan that will very politely sit on him till the book is done.

[@freezysyahz]

Wait, what?

[@jgw9990]

George is the proverbial fox trying to catch two rabbits at once. He's trying to do numerous projects at once meaning he fails to do the books.

[@mattwoolley]

I think at this point he’s forgotten more about the world he created than he remembers. He needs a table of ghost writers he can oversee.

[@bobcatdriver6930]

This. For his visual companion book a world of Ice and Fire I believe he had two ghost writers who happened to be MEGA fans of the lore and mythology helping him. Old age comes for all of us and when you are a genius and have created this huge world with multiple complex story arcs that interlink and change the dynamic of the story you need to keep track of what pieces are on the board and what you have established. If he head these writers creating timelines, key details and in multiple in depth story arcs for all the characters for George to choose from I’m sure he would be able to finish it.

[@tarsierontherun]

Martin already has those. He has stated that the co-authors of The World of Ice and Fire know more about ASOIF than he does.

[@laurocoman]

He probably forgets half the lore while he is describing a fucking breakfast.

[@char4980]

@@tarsierontherun how do they "know more than he does" when he literally created all of it in his head?

[@mihacurk]

Seems highly likely. Not to mention the show went its own way in several areas, so he might also be unsure what happened in the show and what in the books...

[@Aikurisu]

George's procrastination skills dwarf my own and that's no easy feat.

[@fullmetaltheorist]

Same. 10 years of procrastinating is no easy feat.

[@laurocoman]

@@fullmetaltheorist the guy managed to procrastinate Winds so bad that he wrote two books before finishing it.

[@somechinesedude5466]

Might be alzheimer

[@georgelionon9050]

@Rizky Satya To be fair, we generally accept from most over 65 year old not to work anymore...

[@mikehawke2374]

I've been meaning to reply to this, but...

[@WalkerTexasRanger45]

Favorite fantasy authors will always be Robert Jordan and J.R.R Tolkien. RIP

[@kpinar1253]

At least Jordan had the decency to outline/prepare for Sanderson to finish, even if it was...less than Jordan’s best.

[@silentdogfart4892]

David Gemmel and Raymond E Feist for me.

[@8asw8]

I am at book 5 of wheel of time and I really like it. ASOIAF is better in my opinion but WOT has one significant edge over ASOIAF: it's done. and ASOIAF will go the same route author-wise or not be finished ever.

[@WarGhoulKharas]

There's another series that refuses to die, even after Maester Rigney died.

[@TKDLION]

@@silentdogfart4892 David Gemmell deserves a lot more appreciation. He’s been almost forgotten.

[@thegavelissoundgavel9849]

GoT went from a huge water cooler experience that bitter unpopular co-workers complained about having to hear about, to the unpopular co-workers supporting the show years after everyone gave up on it.

[@bassplayer2011ify]

Yeah because most of said "unpopular co-workers" were curious to see how the biggest show in the world crashed harder than the economy in 2008. Or like me they started watch because they were stuck in their house, bored, wanted to see how Sean Bean died, and just never stopped watching.

[@editorrbr2107]

I will believe it when it happens. Purchased the first book in 1998. And over the course of 13 years he produced four novels. He has done everything but complete the series in the last decade since that 2011 release.

[@goldengloves7549]

And to add insult to injury, he's writing a game too.

[@spartanwanderer8049]

When Martin started writing the series in the 90s he was hungry, ambitious. Now he has all the glory, all the money and has nothing else to prove. It's been over 10 years since the last book. He's lost in subplots and time is passing, with age comes senility and is already very busy with other projects. This series will never have its closure. It sucks but the dude doesn't owe the world shit. But I still feel left down.

[@samellowery]

He still has that hunger all you have to do is look at him to see that by his size and it's driving him to just to an early grave .

[@DarthEvilicus]

The problem is George really did a good job establishing lore and history but in doing so he created so many characters and stories that there is no conceivable way he could wrap up all those threads and storylines in a coherent and satisfying way...so he just said f@&k it

[@terrylandess6072]

It kinda of makes sense: He could start a new character narrative with one of those 'Wouldn't it be cool' thought processes. Then before thinking everything through - just do it again. And again. And again. And again. Then with all these new toys he can have some of them play with each other. Where is this going? "Who cares - isn't this cool?"

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

There was definitively a conceivable way to wrap up everything, I think he just doesn't trust himself to pull it off, and since then he keeps procrastinating, cause he's afraid he can't live up to expectations.

[@rickylozano7186]

i mean there is the exodus theory

[@nikolaipawell3000]

D&Ds ending is diffrent, they had one.

[@TheMaleRei]

Better to have no ending than a garbage ending - but your point is appreciated.

[@JackoBanon1]

It's the same ending GRRM plans for his books. The writing was just terrible and disappointing but it is the same ending the author planed.

[@lorddarkstorm1354]

@Anjelica Snorcket It is the same. GRRM said so himself. The major plot points between the book and show will be the same. Its just the way it happens will change.

[@frocat5163]

@Anjelica Snorcket So, the ending will be the same, but since there may be a few different plot points along the way, the ending won't be the same? How delusional are you? No one said the ending would be _identical._ Literally everyone you're attempting to contradict has pointed out that the ending will be the same, i.e. Daenerys will go batshit and kill everyone in King's Landing and Bran will end up as the king. That's it. And that's almost certainly _EXACTLY_ how GRRM plans to end the books. If you want to be pedantic, fine. Just don't expect the rest of us to listen to your pedantry and tell you you're right.

[@frocat5163]

@Anjelica Snorcket Are you a troll or a moron? Or both? The topic at hand is clearly _the_ ending, i.e. the resolution of the major plotline in the entire series: Who will sit on the Iron Throne when everything's said and done. Are you so stupid you're incapable of following that basic premise? No one was talking about the resolution of the Lady Stoneheart plotline. Or the Dornish plotlines. Or the Hound's. Or Arya's. Or any of the many other plots. But, apparently you believe that by saying something irrelevant about all of the side-plots, you're somehow making a profound observation about how the series will end, despite literally no one but you bringing that up. When discussing the ending of _The Lord of the Rings,_ do you also make sure to cover the resolution of Prince Imrahil's plotline? How about Dain Ironfoot? Glorfindel? Then again, if you're someone who thinks eight sentences is "a novel," it's pretty obvious you're not really capable of holding an intelligent discussion with anyone.

[@michaelc1626]

At this point, GRRM has ruined his legacy so much that the best thing I remember him from was that time he rapped against Tolkien on ERB.

[@michaelc1626]

Btw Tolkien won

[@gethrojenkins9619]

@@michaelc1626 lol, saying Tolkien won implies there was some sort of actual contest between those two. Tolkien wrecked GRRM so bad that the real GRRM probably just said fuck it, and gave up on life ;)

[@jamesb4789]

In all the discussions about Martin and finishing the last two books, everyone has missed something that I remember very distinctly. The HBO producers did an interview and one of the questions was with regards to the possibility that the series would run out of stories if Martin did not finish the books. What they said was Martin had specific contractual deadlines to have his manuscripts in to his publisher so HBO could use them to write the series. The interviewer asked if Martin had met the deadlines and they said he had for all SEVEN books. This was around when Martin had a snit about HBO not following his story. I later read a piece in an English paper that quoted Martin’s publisher that he did have the manuscripts for the last two books, but Martin likes to revise things and had not given him permission to publish them. I had also seen somewhere that Marin’s contract allowed HBO to develop their own ending if he did not meet the manuscript deadlines, which is actually typical for such deals per an entertainment lawyer I know. The impression I had at the time was Martin did submit manuscripts to meet his contract terms (far too much cash at risk) but he wanted the stories to go in a different direction. I think HBO pressured Martin to produce a story line they could film and he has hated it and simply refuses to publish it. I also wonder if HBO doesn’t prefer he not publish the books which will be very different and they think it would hurt them. This casts a different light on his new 5 year deal. One that sounds rather suspect since the man is utterly unable to produce anything like what they need. Martin clearly has his own agenda and he never really cared much about the fans when his interests diverged. IF you want to see the two books issued, there is in fact one thing that just might work. I saw an interview with him from around the time the first book was published. He was asked who was the author he wanted to be compared to and he immediately said JRR Tolkien. He admired JJRRT for building a complete world with extensive attention to every detail. In reality Tolkien finished his works and thus it became something that is truly a saga. Martin should be asked if his incomplete series can stand up to the legacy of Tolkien if he fails to publish the last books. I would be very curious to see how he reacts to that because the simple truth is his legacy collapses without a complete series.

[@foghornleghorns3244]

I would forgive George R.R Martin for this huge delay if he surprised us all and dropped The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring at the same time (or within the same year) And it might just save him a positive spot in history.

[@tomtommerson6320]

Thats the only thing I can think of

[@absentehhh8263]

Maybe he ll release winds a month or two before the new show so people have interest again???

[@michelwitzik1574]

Once i guessed the books could already be finished and He's just planing to Release them by testimony.. But “Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man.”.

[@jito7377]

I see to ways: - He dies and it will never be finished. - asoiaf is (nearly) done and will be released with nobody expecting it.

[@yaboidad8256]

It would certainly shut peoples shitty comments up. Imagine having a majority of your fan base talking about how you’re gonna die before you finish telling a story.

[@thesonofdormammu5475]

GRRM just hangs out with Patrick Rothfuss and they sit around and laugh about everyone waiting for their books. They can both go take a flying leap.

[@seanconneryvsapplesauce52]

I was just about to write a comment about Rothfuss, those books are never comming out.

[@gups4963]

@@purplecipher6961 Makes me miss robert jordan, at least the dude had a good reason to be behind

[@ministryoftruth8499]

Scott Lynch's another one. Although a lite one. When you see all these authors tweeting orange man bad you know there's no book. Trump's gone, so I'm really curious what will be the next excuse.

[@karlbarks2219]

@@purplecipher6961 Probably set up for life after those 2 books. Major SJW dick also. Visited a convention before the Coof and said he wanted no more questions from white people in the audience. His editor came out on reddit and said she don't think he's written a word of book 3.

[@nathanscarlett4772]

@@karlbarks2219 I didn't know that. Wow.

[@ian7064]

I think we're more likely to see my father finally return from the store with those cigarettes than we are to see George RR Martin finish that book

[@fffrrraannkk]

One day, brother, one day.

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

Dude...Are you ok?:(

[@amyfrench8678]

Thank you! This gave me the biggest lol moment that I've had for days.

[@hurrdurr2122]

He's probably stuck behind one of those old ladies who take FOREVER to count out their change.

[@sand5857]

DAMN... This guy... I followed him from the first book.... shared it with everybody I Met... and you know what? I DO NOT CARE ANYMORE... Just like Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor who... and whatever old Franchises.... I only see, read, consume new stuff now... and IM F'ng happy for it.

[@XDviper45]

and yet .... you sound totally salty here. Hmmmm?

[@johndurham6172]

Any new shows will be full of messaging.

[@CharlotteMEllett]

What's good that's new?

[@redrackham6812]

@Charlotte M. Ellett I can offer a recommendation if you would be interested. It's not new, but it is complete: Daniel Abraham's _The Dagger and the Coin_ series. It has a lot in common with _ASoIaF_ in that it is more about the politics of a fantasy setting than a band of heroes on a quest. Just as _ASoIaF_ draws heavily from the Wars of the Roses for inspiration, so too _TDatC_ draws from a real historical conflict (I won't say which one so as to avoid spoilers). It has fascinating and complex characters and different subplots, but it manages to avoid becoming a sprawling mess, and, while fairly long, it remains an economically told tale through to the end, so if you like _ASoIaF_ but wish the author had the discipline to finish it, you would very likely like _TDatC_ too. It might be worth a look.

[@CharlotteMEllett]

@@redrackham6812 Thank you!

[@manofhonor1685]

I cant even rewatch the earlier good seasons because i know none of it matters or will pay off in the end

[@ljb8157]

I would love for him to finish... but I don't think it's ever going to happen. I'm sure the pressure is incredibly intense and he probably has some writers block... but I really think it's over.

[@spidergirl7290]

This is going to be exactly like Power on STARZ. They had plans for 5 spin-off shows, but the final season of the main series was so terrible that they can barely get any viewers for the 1st spin-off show they launched, and there's no chance in hell that the other planned spin-offs are going to be successful if they ever make it to the screen. HBO is being extremely obtuse here.

[@mayasharyasharala22]

I'd argue that Power was terrible since season 3, but you're right that HBO lost they're mind. I blame them as much as D&D. They saw what they made and green lit that for the public. Someone's asleep at the wheel

[@spidergirl7290]

@@mayasharyasharala22 I totally agree with your entire comment, including season 3 of Power. Funny, there's another parallel in GOT starting to go off the rails by season 6!

[@mayasharyasharala22]

​@@spidergirl7290 Arya vs The Waif?

[@spidergirl7290]

@@mayasharyasharala22 LOL Touche!!

[@theanimeslayer3999]

You know when a shows ending is so bad if years go by and the hate is still there! GOT its right up there with Dexter and Lost for me the last seasons and bad finale destroyed any desire to re-watch any of these shows.

[@MasterJediDude]

Well said!!!

[@MarlonDeanMusicChannel]

@@MasterJediDude Season 7 wasn't any better.

[@criticalstrike1128]

True Blood and ST; Enterprise also had poor endings but did not completely destroy previous seasons, nothing and I mean nothing will compare to how bad GOT finished.

[@Gonzalo_105]

I liked lost. Wasnt the best ending but wasnt the worst.

[@neil_nice5252]

I jumped on Season 3, rewatched all previous every new season... was looking forward to owning the complete set, talked about how grea!t itd be to rewatch all the time.. after season 8 episode 3.. I was befuddled after season 8 ep 6... said"Nah, I'll pass"

[@defectiveindustries]

George and his writing are a lot like his beloved New York Jets. So much promise. So many jokes

[@Liverpool-Thedirtyredteam]

I predict he'll finish Winds but a dream of spring will likely never be finished by his hands

[@audio_dregs]

Agreed.

[@loriannwhite8384]

By anyone, Martin has stated that his papers will be destroyed on his death.

[@nydabeats]

didn't george just say a month or two ago that he had hundreds of pages to write? I highly doubt hes finished

[@snoopstp4189]

george doesn't care because george know's his story basically sucks.

[@goldengloves7549]

@@snoopstp4189 And he dares compares himself to Tolkien what a joke

[@Aaron-is8yt]

@@snoopstp4189 have you read it or just watched the show. The story line is amazing, otherwise no one would care.

[@Aaron-is8yt]

@@goldengloves7549 he is compared to many different types authors because he aspires to be like them. He's a super fan and talks about a lot of his inspiration for things because he can't discuss the plot in fear of spoilers. You also have a really toxic approach

[@TDHurley]

Season 8 still lingers like a wet fart in a closed room.

[@MasterJediDude]

And right in our faces.

[@jca4la]

with the broken thermostat stuck at 97°

[@alfredhernandez9799]

Martin will NEVER finish the books. Let's just accept it. He blew it. HBO blew it. We all blew it by trusting him.

[@fanofgodjimindiva2497]

Yeah, time to accept the tv show's ending is the only ending we're gonna get.

[@Necron-ez2cc]

Good Lord... who cares about the HBO BS? And as far as a finish for the books... I'm treating them like a fragmented history that has no "beginning" or "ending". Just a brief window into a world with an unanswered resolution.... Kind of like.... Oh, I don't know, you HBO fans.... Maybe the Soprano's?

[@yugrise1286]

I believe this. I feel that someone will finish the book for him.

[@yugrise1286]

@@fanofgodjimindiva2497 But some of readers want to see others characters ending too.

[@ninjablack4347]

Brandon Sanderson just started and finished a book by the time you started and posted this comment

[@MasterJediDude]

And as a former fan of GoT, I have to say, “I don’t give a rip.” 🤣

[@whoknew2273]

then why bother commentating

[@frankgesuele6298]

Winter has buried GoT.

[@greyeyed123]

They should have Stephen King write it. It would be delivered by Saturday, 1500 pages, and mostly entertaining.

[@ofirf8123]

Facts 😂

[@langenbrunner1]

Hahaha for real that is straight facts

[@samellowery]

Apparently ya'll never read the dark tower series i mean he finished it but it took him like 30 years.

[@ofirf8123]

@@samellowery I did read it. This series was different tho, he wrote about it in the end. He didn't plan the story, just added details over details without really knowing how it will end. Non of the stories was planned, and the future was unknown for him.

[@samellowery]

@@ofirf8123 Which shows how much of a procrastinate Martin is but yeah you're right on king not knowing what he was gonna do with the tower at leat not till he got to the last three books if I remember correctly they all came out within a few years of each other.

[@derpynerdy6294]

Warning the Author of berserk that has been going for decades since the 80s just died yesterday and left his work unfinished and George might be next...

[@fredbloggs5902]

If I was a 72 year old multimillionaire, the last thing I’d be doing with my remaining time is writing a book... ...But then, that’s probably why I’m not any of those things.

[@stephenvargas5806]

He made it worse for himself getting sidetracked for all those years. If he would have just finished it he could be spending his twilight years... not worrying about writing and laying out on a beach somewhere. The fame went to his head and he spent years traveling around the world going to conventions while his work wasn’t finished. He banked on HBO and DnD to finish it well, but he overestimated them. Now he’s stuck with an unfinished book series that’s damaging his reputation and the only conclusion to that work is an uneven adaption and a travesty the entire world wants to forget.

[@HerculesBallsInc]

Many writers are people who are almost COMPELLED to write. It's not just something they make money from, it's a thing they enjoy doing. They would do it if they were penniless. Martin shows us what happens when you don't have that compulsion even if you might have the talent. Nothing much.

[@LockeNarshe]

@@HerculesBallsInc Or just someone who has lost that compulsion over time.

[@thelonespacemarine5211]

Obese and 72. Those things don’t go together for long

[@metalliclark86]

More importantly, why would you spend your last years working your ass off to finish your million dollar life's work, while you're ALREADY a millionaire and it wouldn't make that much of a difference.

[@theguyfromsaturn]

The winds of winter is never coming out. I'm not even waiting for it anymore. It's sad. The story was very compelling.

[@electricpizza5774]

00:50 Michael Moorcock, creator of The Elric Saga, the Hawkmoon Saga, and dozens of other fantasy novels is still alive. Even if GRRM managed to finish A Song of Ice and Fire, he still would rate way below Moorcock.

[@exhaustguy]

Roger Zelazny as well. My fantasy reading mostly happened in my teens (1970s and early 1980s). Moorcock, Zelazny, and Farmer were my big three for epic fantasy. Then you have Howard for more episodic fantasy. Martin's work is a bit derivative of Frank Herbert even though I would put the first three Ice and Fire books up against pretty much any three book run.

[@FlyingFocs]

I heard of a book series called Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn, that GRRM even said was an inspiration for his series, so I thought "okay... so I'll just read that instead." And I did, and I enjoyed it, and it was the longest thing I ever read, but at least it was finished.

[@Rev_Goose]

As someone who is literally 3 chapters away from finishing the book series for the first time, we desperately need winds of winter soon. I can't wait for it and I just started reading these books back in December

[@GPEGEMGTM3]

Whoops

[@manichaean1888]

Well, I was in the same situation a couple of years ago. Now I do not expect much from the old man. The last book was a mess and he is too old and lazy to sort out that mess.

[@fftere]

that's a great tip for me to never read them

[@michelwitzik1574]

@@fftere my younger brother said the same to me a few month ago

[@kellysamons1065]

You probably have time to start all over again and write a full analysis of each book before Winds of Winter comes out.

[@EricsHobbyWorkshop]

George's books are intensely feelings driven - the themes of unrequited love and being an outcast are very very strong. Ever since the GOT show came out, George has been the belle of the ball wherever he goes. Its not surprising that hes having trouble finishing this story when his whole world and life experience has changed.

[@lisathibault4465]

I'm glad I am not the only remaining disgruntled and pessimistic follower of ASOIAF.

[@tommydeadwood]

LOL, I feel exactly the same. I have a buddy at work, every few months I reminded him about the last season of GOT just to watch him wince and grimace.

[@DavidNefelimSlayer]

Same sans "follower." I qualify myself as a train wreck watcher.

[@limonali]

I am with you. Unfortunately still a follower. And bitter.

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

I've read his books for the first time two years ago only, so I knew from the start that I likely would never get the ending. Occasionnally I click on the latest news for Winds of winter out of curiosity, but I won't be too sad if it never happens. Asoiaf peaked at ASOS anyway.

[@mrhoplite2931]

You are definitely not - dont worry. I am pissed off with HBO for Season 8 and very disappointed with GRRM for not finishing his books...

[@balthus9105]

I had completely forgotten that this book was a thing.

[@paulieswalnut]

Gotta love the expectations of millions hinging on the procrastination of a man who looks like he could drop any day now. Martin seems to feel like he has an eternity to finish this. In reality every day that passes brings him closer to being remembered not only as a great writer but also a great writer who snubbed the fans and took the ending to his grave.

[@exhaustguy]

I honestly think it is a power trip for him. He has already stated that his estate will not allow the series to be completed (hard to do since his heirs will eventually get to call the shots on the IP).

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

Honestly, I think that Martin is unhappy.

[@cb1503]

Yea pretry much like robert jordan and the wheel of time books. Great books for awhile, then as he was getting older decided that he wanted to keep writing till he died. A great series became bloated full of side characters that had no point, because he wanted to keep writing. He left an outline how to end the series when he passed, but it wasn't even close to being the same. I doubt grrm will ever finish these books.

[@botondhoos4648]

@@cb1503 to be honest, Im not even sure if I want the story to finish, I just want another damn book. The characters and the world are fascinating

[@coldhands2802]

@@botondhoos4648 Yeah ADWD left off so epicly... The battles about to happen are gonna be insane

[@zeroibis]

It turns out that in westeros the word winter actually means dumpster fire and they were truly warning us all along.

[@KaladinAndSyl]

We will never have the pleasure of reading Winds Of Winter, and A Dream Of Spring will forever remain in our imagination... But imagine he'll release both books as a suprise he's been working on for years tommorow. That would be a worldwide holiday😴🌻

[@hannahd.3313]

Macabre Storytelling does a good job of breaking down how HBO could have finished the GoT series in a much better way, following the story arcs and logical buildup of the characters, while still hitting similar plot points. For what could have been, I recommend watching his series.

[@PaolaRL]

Thanks for recommending, I’ll check it out!

[@christianleoncio4717]

After season 8 I don't think I want to touch anything related to GOT

[@gregsmith7949]

I watch interviews with Martin and think "wait...this is the guy that wrote Game of Thrones? WTF? 😆

[@austinwright09]

Never seen an interview with him, but I will say this: There are some who can write their words much better than speaking them. Some cant interact very well socially, but write amazingly. I kind of feel I fall into this because even though I communicate well and interact mostly alright with others, seeing the words in front of me, while also giving me time to really think out my answer. How it translates to storytelling will vary from person to person. But for some, we can put pen to paper, I prefer my keyboard personally, and are much more comfortable (and confident) than speaking aloud to an audience. Not sure if this makes any sense to you, or if thats even what you implied. I really wish we could convey tone and other little nuances to our posts. All well.

[@DavidNefelimSlayer]

He also wrote "I dream of Jennie" episodes.

[@gregsmith7949]

@@DavidNefelimSlayer Wow! Did not know that.👍

[@freezysyahz]

@@austinwright09 Same! I've been given feedback from friends and colleagues that I tend to write online more effectively and communicatively than when they talk to me at work.

[@exhaustguy]

Best interview with Martin was when he was asked about dying before completing the series - he said "f__k you". I have to say I agree with him. His life is a whole lot more important than finishing the series. I don't think he owes us anything. Let his legacy stand or fall on his decisions.

[@mrhoplite2931]

Jesus, watching this travesty of a TV-Show, i totally forgot about the conspiracy of Manderley & Co. Lol. One of the most thrilling storylines in the books - and they didnt even mention it in the TV-Show.

[@thetalisman963]

I rewatched them show and realized that Dan and or Dave are perverts who starting changing great book scenes to put in sex scenes all the way back in season 4.

[@antsu3400]

Nah right from season 1, ep1. The extra tyrion scene.

[@thetalisman963]

@@antsu3400 yea you’re absolutely right. I don’t know what I was thinking about season 4. Every scene in Littlefingers brothel is not book accurate and they are all perverted silly scenes. Even showing Renly and Loras relationship had to be perverted. D&D were always hacks and they were blessed with great actors, great episode directors and a great novel to guide them. If you watch the show critically you notice so many contradictions and continuity issues etc.

[@thetalisman963]

It was definitely all the way back to the beginning you are so right man.

[@silvermane9370]

Martin is burned out. He should be in the twilight home form the crashing bores of literature.

[@SuzakuX]

He's not just burned out, he's clearly depressed. Left out of the video was the paragraph he wrote about several of his closest friends passing away this last year, and what seems to be a general anxiety about death and loss that has been in nearly all of his updates for the last several months.

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

@@SuzakuX I think the stress of not delivering the ending of asoiaf has made him depressed for years now.

[@aravinds3846]

@@legrandliseurtri7495 I saw a post on Reddit ( not all posts are horseshit) that analysed his writing style. Not too much big brain moment there , but it hit the nail in the head by identifying GRRMs tendency to introduce a character and make them a focus for more than what is required. This becomes tougher with more characters. At DwD , there are so many mains and sides for whom GRRM has to continue their arcs and story individually or together even then it is a behemoth task (Feast and dance are one book split in half) hence he is paralysed by looking at it and just notes out

[@dangerousfreedom1960]

If he couldn't finish WoW during a year long worldwide coof shutdown then idk if he'll ever finish it. And A Dream of Spring is just that, a dream

[@Frosty1979]

He needs to hire some people to help him finish the series. Just manage the "project".

[@amandacuellar6539]

Even if he does finish winds of winter he has another entire book to write after lol...it's over, I've moved on from this dissaponting series 😐

[@GuibsonGuitar]

Your loss. Winds could be amazing. And it is coming. The last book I agree, maybe not. But winds 100% is coming. But yea your loss.

[@nemecil5094]

@@GuibsonGuitar Loss? Depends on how you see it....

[@threewiseman1]

I'll save you all some trouble as this series will never be finished by Martin, so I'll do it for him: "And they all lived happily ever after. The End."

[@stephen8805]

Anyone who thinks by redoing Season 8 you can save Game of Thrones, the show was broken since Season 5 episode 10.

[@b2themc]

Its amazing how many people think it was only season 8.

[@Ignisan_66]

@@b2themc Yeah. Many show-plebs do not realize that the show started to suck since Tywin Lannister died. Seasons 5-8 are all garbage if you compare them to the books and seasons 1-4.

[@exhaustguy]

@@Ignisan_66 That is about the time the books went off the rails as well in my opinion. Everything that happened to Tyrion after it seems like a hamster wheel. That is when Tyrion lost his mojo, and he is the best part of Ice and Fire.

[@JackoBanon1]

At the end of season 4 GRRM had an argument with D&D because they didn't want to adapt his plotlines but to simplify and dumb them down 'for a greater audience'. The author then left the show and never talked about it again if he wasn't directly asked. And you really can see a huge fall in quality starting with season 5.

[@oli.y]

The show was broken since Season 5 episode 4 when Ser Barristan Selmy was killed off for no reason

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

GRRM is why I'm never starting another fantasy book series until the last entry is published.

[@Alexander-tu3iv]

The only fantasy writer I trust enough to start reading an unfinished series is Brandon Sanderson. Dude has a progress bar on his website for all the books he's working on.

[@kirktanka8199]

Michael J. Sullivan writes his whole series and then releases them in a timely fashion. I would recommend looking him up and jumping into his series. He then can thread themes throughout and they payoff!

[@julani3539]

He should bring other authors in like Brandon Sanderson. Martin just doesn't have the juice anymore.

[@jackee-is-silent2938]

I think Martin's problem is he's not being a editor enough, as all writers, even those with close editors themselves, need to edit else the project grows faster than its progress.

[@floydlooney6837]

Sanderson has a very different style

[@floydlooney6837]

Sanderson has a very different style

[@floydlooney6837]

Sanderson has a very different style

[@itznoxy7193]

Sanderson has a very different style

[@wurstgitarre]

Great analysis. And you're so right about "who wants to watch a show playing in the slums of King's Landing?" I was asking myself the same question when I first heard about that announcement.

[@DT-267K]

George does like to make his works as without error as possible, and given the sheer amount of storylines he has to wrap up, coupled with all his other pursuits, it's no small wonder his last two books are taking over a decade to come out. He's basically working on both at once over just one followed by the other, and even should we suffer the misfortune of him passing before his work comes out, he's probably left the description of the remaining plot of the series and prototype assorted plot threads of the characters within it somewhere safe for just that occasion.

[@joshhoffman5233]

Out of all the people who criticize the TWOW delay I think Gary is my favorite to listen to. Just has the perfect level of frustration based on all factors. “Nerd blue balls.”

[@neonspark7178]

The dude could have written a quarter of a page a day since the last book and he would be done by now. That's about 10 minutes of work per day, max.

[@spacedinosaur8733]

Indeed one of Terry Prattchet's great qoutes that goes something like "No matter how great your idea is, you still need to put your but in the seat and put 20,000 words on the screen." Or something like that.

[@HerculesBallsInc]

I knew an author who argued that anyone who took longer than a month to produce a 50,000 word novel was a complete slacker. He calculated just based on typing speed and a standard work week and said that even if you had to throw out 90% of the result, you'd STILL have that novel as long as you just KEPT WORKING the whole time like it was your actual job. Which for a professional author, it IS. Even Martin's 1500 page novels shouldn't ever take longer than a year. Unless, of course, he's not really working at all and is just playing solitare.

[@WendyMcCor696]

@@HerculesBallsInc you could do it the way you described IF you were looking to produce a piece of excrement fit for the trash.....I imagine season 8 of got was written in the manner you described

[@HerculesBallsInc]

@@WendyMcCor696 Two popular schools creative writing thought consider the craft of writing in opposite ways... I tend to think of them as just different approaches different authors take. One is 'clothing the skeleton', where an author first connects all the plot point bones of a story and then fills them out with description and character until you have a full body of story. The other is 'carving the statue' where a large body of work is carefully edited, cut down, rearranged, and reworded to produce a coherent and consistent piece of art. In essence, one engages the logical mind first and then the creative mind second, while the other does it the other way around. Call me names if it pleases you, but I've known too many successful authors to be convinced that one or the other approach is completely valueless. All you'll convince me of is your own ignorance.

[@clearspira]

@@G2010J Agreed, a couple of months to produce a multi-layered novel is unrealistic. Still though, I also have to agree with the first post. There is no excuse for him not writing a page a day.

[@joshgaming3106]

My ending would be of Game of Thrones a dragon figures out how to go nuclear blow them all up everybody dies cuts to Credit

[@RivendarkYT]

So, Gotzilla?

[@joshgaming3106]

@@RivendarkYT That with a mix of how to train your dragon

[@ardendragoon]

Yep, they all deserve to die, except the dragons, John Snow and the wolf.

[@brucetucker4847]

ROCKS FALL, EVERYONE DIES.

[@saymyname2417]

@@brucetucker4847 - 😂😁🤣 ... !

[@MirouSallow]

I talked to my mom about the books and she said he's never gonna finish them. He'll never find the motivation to do so bc the show f*cked up that badly. I still have to say, I enjoy watching the first seasons of GoT, but it ends at the battle of the bastards. That's the end for me

[@ryanatorryanson9535]

That and he’s a multi millionaire now. Probably just doesn’t give a crap anymore and enjoys being famous more than anything else now.

[@thedman05]

I’m not the first to say this, nor agree with this sentiment... a dream of spring will remain that. A dream. He’s too old and has no fire and his project has taken a life of its own that outgrew him and it kind of seems like Martin wrote himself into some corners he may not know how to get out of, or perhaps there’s so much left to write he just realized it’s too much for someone with his energy/age to do

[@riro7674]

This video did a good job reminding anyone who hasn't read the books a million times how rich and complex they are compared to the travesty that was the tv show

[@Landyra]

I've been wanting to read them forever, but I always regret starting to read book series that aren't finished yet :/ I've still got that tiny inkling of hope that they'll be finished one day...

[@aaravshah4432]

i mean i woudnt call them a tragedy, you cant abase a show off the last 2 seaosns, seasons 1-4 + 6 was the best tv ever created

[@riro7674]

@@aaravshah4432 fair enough but for me the show got a lot of things wrong even early on. They played up things that weren't that important for shock value, and left out a lot of things that make the whole thing make more sense. I can't really watch it past season 4 tbh

[@aaravshah4432]

@@riro7674 I started reading the books yesterday, are they really that much better!! And is it worth reading them after watching the show, will I like it?

[@riro7674]

@@aaravshah4432 there's no comparison, the books are filled with more history, lore, dialogue, symbolism, mystery than you could ever want from a fantasy series. I've read them 3 times and listened once to the audio books. Only thing is if you've watched the show it might skew your mental image of the characters a bit but honestly everything is just so much better on the page than the screen that it doesn't matter. I don't even care if he finishes them now or not because I just love the world he created in the first 5 so much.

[@Gainn]

You really have to wonder at how quickly they managed to turn a money tree into a grave marker.

[@Ignisan_66]

I got excited when he said " King Stannis the Mannis".

[@TheBayzent]

That's just the full title.

[@freezysyahz]

SAME

[@Wayoutthere]

MY KNEES ARE BENDING

[@borysvengerov3398]

There is no other way of addressing the One True King.

[@kasession]

I finally understand. No matter what he says, George RR Martin doesn't have a vision for the end of GOT. I'm so glad I never got into it.

[@MrToLIL]

Remember when people were comparing Martin to Tolkein? LUL

[@raebertgrayson5766]

"Do you know what I consider to be the worst disability of all? Procrastination and laziness." Richard Turner, blind card mechanic and accomplished martial artist.

[@justmeok2]

I wanna be a card mechanic for yu gi oh

[@slyaspie4934]

@@justmeok2 not enough love for card mechanics

[@adamhunt873]

The mans retired after a wildly successful career he’s earned the right to enjoy his golden years

[@thewanderingartists]

@@adamhunt873 and he didn't retire he signed a contract didn't he ? Did you even watch the video ?

[@Bada4ever]

A writer with integrity wouldn't have signed a deal with HBO that would allow them to continue making the series when the books ended. Actions speak louder than words.

[@shawndeanmackenzie]

Wait, Martin's been locked in a cabin for a year and still fell behind? You're never getting another novel from him.

[@Zellis666]

I'd be happy if he handed the reins to a talented young writer or team of writers while retaining editorial control...

[@superbilly7160]

"It all depends on how you get there." Thank you so freaking much for that. Here's what so many fail to understand. The problem wasn't the ending itself (the collection of resolutions for the major & supporting characters/plotlines). The problem was entirely a matter of execution. And yes, while there will be notable differences due to the various changes (both big and small) the tv series made when adapting the source material to screen (in conjunction with all the material D&D had to come up with when they surpassed the books), the "broad strokes" (at least for the central characters) will be the same. More or less. GRRM has reiterated this on multiple occasions. He has also repeatedly stated that changing a story's ending due to leakage/reception ultimately ruins said story. Even if he wanted to change the ending (significantly or entirely) it would be nigh impossible given the sheer immensity of the saga's content and the fact that he's already 5 books into his 7 part series. It's disheartening that so many people would be dissatisfied with the ending regardless of how well executed/developed/set up it was. You're 100% entitled to your subjective preferences but a huge swath of the fanbase seem to be under the impression that the ending is intrinsically objectively bad. A claim for which they have no basis for and highlights an almost fundamental misunderstanding they have of this series. I don't mean to sound arrogant /dismissive but that's just what I've observed. I hope more than anything that GRRM sticks to his guns and refuses to cave in. It would break my heart beyond repair to see him compromise his own story/intended original ending because a couple of crappy showrunners did such a poor job delivering it to the masses before he could. I'd rather he not finish the series at all.

[@RougeOso]

How many times does GRRM said “I’m working on it. Shouldn’t be long now!” ? Yeah. Good luck with that

[@needparalegal]

Dude is 80, I can barely do any work at 50 and he was never known for turning out a lot of work.

[@oli.y]

He's 72, but yeah... He's always been slow

[@AnonymousAnonposter]

Same age of my dad, and my dad health is way better, after all he's a hard worker, meanwhile George is just the typical liberal boomer, no back bone.

[@Cast-oi8nz]

I'm 14 and i struggle to write paragraphs in English class

[@needparalegal]

@@AnonymousAnonposter If you had millions of dollars would you work? I would just play.

[@joeblow8394]

@@AnonymousAnonposter "typical Liberal Boomer" lmao, like you could even begin to do any of what George has accomplished

[@Luciana_McC_99]

This is so sad, the books are so good and I don't honestly know if they will ever be finished. The show was so really great and had the potential to go down as one of the greatest shows ever and really could of had another 4 or 5 really good seasons. To think how something so popular just was waisted like this. Reading all the books watching every episode a couple of times ,maybe the first 6 a half dozen times I only watched the last 2 seasons once and all the KZbin videos, to think all that time waisted it's crazy.

[@XDviper45]

When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When Dany's womb quickens again, and she bears a living child. Then we will get the next book, and not before.

[@brittanygoodwin4041]

🤣

[@fortcastellan1730]

Aw, Gary looks so passionate about this book. I remember when I used to have actual passion for the franchises I was a fan of. That was a long time ago...