Sweden in NATO. Good for Sweden, good for NATO?

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Centre for Eastern Studies (OSW)

Centre for Eastern Studies (OSW)

Күн бұрын

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@amanhasnoname3462
@amanhasnoname3462 8 ай бұрын
Good to have Sweden in NATO with us! We can say that Finland’s membership is complete only now as our Swedish brothers are entering the alliance. Tillsammans är vi starkare i Norden.
@UpRisingDown
@UpRisingDown 8 ай бұрын
Yes. My finnish(?) brother 😊
@MrBlue-dm5li
@MrBlue-dm5li 8 ай бұрын
🇸🇪🤝🇫🇮
@ErikaRatilainen
@ErikaRatilainen 8 ай бұрын
Äntligen! ❤ hälsar finlandssvensk från Esbo!’
@EKa-rn7vh
@EKa-rn7vh 8 ай бұрын
Finlands sak är vår sak. Vi älskar våra finska systrar och bröder.
@UpRisingDown
@UpRisingDown 8 ай бұрын
@@EKa-rn7vh yes
@karinborup1162
@karinborup1162 8 ай бұрын
🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪❤️👍🏻Dear swedish neighbourgs and friends.. We have been waiting on you since 1949. You are so very welcomed, wanted and needed. We know, like and trust you. Good feeling we are together in NATO. ❤🇩🇰from Denmark. 🇩🇰🇳🇴🇫🇮🇸🇪👍🏻
@frisco21
@frisco21 8 ай бұрын
Glad to have you on board, Sweden! From an admirer in the USA.
@LeutnantJoker
@LeutnantJoker 8 ай бұрын
Right now I'd rather have them than you guys. Nobody needs friends they can't count on.
@jajajejehjune4301
@jajajejehjune4301 8 ай бұрын
@LeutnantJoker where did you took such assumption? From words on the rally of candidate to candidate of US president elections?
@janpersson9818
@janpersson9818 8 ай бұрын
@@jajajejehjune4301 As a former President and clear front runner for one of the parties he's not as obscure as you make it sound.
@Mr.Monta77
@Mr.Monta77 8 ай бұрын
Vote blue, frisco. We don’t want traitors in NATO. TRUMP FOR PRISON 2024 🇺🇸
@bofink5377
@bofink5377 8 ай бұрын
At last after about a year after us, Your 'litle brother' country Finland, and we here in Suomi, welcome Sweden to NATO.
@balsyprick6764
@balsyprick6764 8 ай бұрын
Kippis! Yhdessä olemme vahvoja!
@leifiseland1218
@leifiseland1218 8 ай бұрын
Finlands public opinion change to a pro-NATO stance was critical for Swedens decision to join NATO. Remember, todays Finland was the eastern part of Sweden for almost 700 years, & the partition of the nation wasn't voluntary..🧐 The ties between Sweden & Finland still run extremely deep..
@sampohonkala4195
@sampohonkala4195 8 ай бұрын
It is weird in a way; if the Finnish military was to co-operate with some foreign ally, it would still be mentally a rather complicated issue with trust an expectations. Finland and Sweden were separated in 1809, but the attitude in the battlefield would still be 'we have already been in this together before'.
@RandomerFellow
@RandomerFellow 8 ай бұрын
Now we didn't get to vote on this in Sweden, which feels a little uncomfortable. But, as a Swede, I have always felt that the Finns are the closest of the neighboring countries to me and their membership would have weighed heavily for a yes.
@benktlofgren4710
@benktlofgren4710 8 ай бұрын
@@RandomerFellow there was no need for a vote as the masses was for NATO, if it was more undecided a vote would probably been necessary.
@peabase
@peabase 8 ай бұрын
Indeed, the separation of Finland from Sweden wasn't voluntary, but when the deed was done, Finland didn't exactly volunteer to rejoin either. Marshall Bernadotte, the future king of Sweden, had the presence of mind not to pursue the matter any further.
@bjornpalmqvist3780
@bjornpalmqvist3780 8 ай бұрын
I think it was very fortunate that Sweden and Finland was split in 1809 before modern nationalism really kicked off. If the Finns would have had to struggle for independence against 19-th century Sweden, we might not have had the great relations we have today. Hopefully Sweden would have let Finland get independence without conflict as happened with Norway, but that was only a personal union. Finland was part of the country...
@Backwardlooking
@Backwardlooking 8 ай бұрын
Gotland is a beautiful island visited on a couple of occasions. Article 5 guarantees security. 👍🏻🇸🇪✌️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
@stuartdollar9912
@stuartdollar9912 8 ай бұрын
Good for both, I think. Sweden is a natural fit. We democratic governments need to stick together.
@wollaminfaetter
@wollaminfaetter 8 ай бұрын
Sweden is strong as f***. This is a win for NATO more than for Sweden IMO. Sweden was always "western", but as a Dane I feel much better with Sweden in the alliance.
@kentnilsson465
@kentnilsson465 8 ай бұрын
Some comments 1/ Sweden brings a very large military industrial capability into NATO that is important 2/ Sweden has a very good and extensive military intelligence capability 3/ Taking Gotland is one thing, keeping it is another. Sweden by itself would have no problem destroying any supplies by air or sea going to the island 4/ The law changes, when it comes to Turkey, were already decided before the NATO process. What the Swedes have had a problem is the perception of the process, especially when it comes to Turkey
@jajajejehjune4301
@jajajejehjune4301 8 ай бұрын
Welcome Sweden to NATO family!
@basiahellwich3505
@basiahellwich3505 8 ай бұрын
I am so happy to hear. even though I am not a resident of Europe/Sweden, I was born in Essen, Germany 1961, due to the war my parents were Displaced", this meant we were all Aliens, can you believe this, none of my parents children were considered German citizens. My parents chose to immigrate to Australia in 1969 where, as adults, we eventually became Australian citizens.
@R2-D292
@R2-D292 8 ай бұрын
Welcome Sweden to NATO family! Our Western neighbor 😃 We are so happy!
@ZdzichaJedziesz
@ZdzichaJedziesz 8 ай бұрын
Dość rosyjskiego imperializmu i kolonializmu ⚡Ukraina bez Putina ⚡Demokratyczna Rosja też bez Putina 🙂👍
@allanbaldoque2578
@allanbaldoque2578 8 ай бұрын
If you want to not experience agressions in the hands of russia, you need to join NATO
@pelimies1818
@pelimies1818 8 ай бұрын
Go Sweden! Jätte bra nyheter! Trevliga välkomma! Cheers from Finland!
@bjornSE
@bjornSE 8 ай бұрын
Kiitos! Russia split us apart and pressured us into neutrality. That's finally history and now we're officially allied again!
@blueflower7294
@blueflower7294 8 ай бұрын
This is not a football game,it's a war!
@pelimies1818
@pelimies1818 8 ай бұрын
@@blueflower7294 War for you maybe; for us is as peaceful and free life as last 75 years.. No war here..
@lonelylionsingle7582
@lonelylionsingle7582 8 ай бұрын
As a update about the current Swedish Joined membership application is that yesterday President of Hungary ratified the approval from the Hungarian government & on Monday next week NATO will hold the official Ceremony to put the Swedish Flag up as the 32e Member in the Alliance
@patrycjagren9255
@patrycjagren9255 8 ай бұрын
There is safety in numbers. Congratulations to Sweden on NATO accession. 🇵🇱🫡🇸🇪
@Incorruptus1
@Incorruptus1 8 ай бұрын
I love it that Sweden is part of NATO now. I just never really understood why the Swedish did join the EU (1995), yet not NATO. If it leads to loss of economic trade with Russia, I would love to see it compensated, so please send more Swedish products to EU! Just not too much stuff with Dille please, not too few either. ;)
@VanillalifeMC-dq4pg
@VanillalifeMC-dq4pg 4 ай бұрын
Many people on Reddit say that Sweden is a terable country, but Even when crimes are high there, why Sweden still ranks a bit high in terms of good quality of life, low crime rate, good public transportation, and other, if you look at the rankings, Sweden is still kinda highcompared to other countries globally ?
@Mr.Monta77
@Mr.Monta77 8 ай бұрын
Great! Welcome to NATO. STRONGER THAN EVER.
@notme9816
@notme9816 3 ай бұрын
As a Norwegian I’m very happy all the Nordic countries stand together now!
@Lordnumptynous
@Lordnumptynous 8 ай бұрын
Good news indeed.
@maggan82
@maggan82 8 ай бұрын
De facto member since the start of Nato. Now also de juro.
@ClemensKatzer
@ClemensKatzer 8 ай бұрын
Finland has an air base in the far North, from there it's like 1 hour flight to Kola paninsula where Russias arctic fleet / nuclear subs are stationed. Other NATO fighter jets have already practiced landing there. Also, the connection from St. Petersburg to there (train + road) stretches those 1200 km, never very far from Finlands border. So Finland/NATO could cut that link anywhere on those 1200 km. Strategically, I think that must feel like a nightmare for Russia.
@maritaolsson7356
@maritaolsson7356 8 ай бұрын
#SwedenNato
@PeterRobertsson
@PeterRobertsson 8 ай бұрын
Bravo!!! An interview where not once they used the word (Swedish) "neutrality" but rather used the correct wording "militarily non-align" as Sweden never was “neutral”. Instead, it had a "neutrality policy" trying to convince the leaders of the Warsaw Pact (especially Soviet Union) and NATO at the time that Sweden would declare itself neutral should those two-block go to war with each other. So compared to e.g. Switzerland, which got a legal and constitutional based neutrality as laid down in the Congress of Vienna 1815 (where Sweden was one of the European powers deciding on those obligations for Switzerland) Sweden haven’t got and never had such constitutional and legal “neutrality”. Instead, its “neutrality policy” was purely a political decision of the parliament which had implications for the Swedish defence and obligations according to international law. Should either NATO or the Warsaw Pact or both have decided to ignore the Swedish declaration of neutrality then that one would have fallen flat, and Sweden would then have been party to the conflict (which would have been the most likely scenario looking at its geography in any case). Therefore, Sweden and the US prepared for that during the Cold War (in secret though well known in Mosco), especially in terms of the co-operation between the US and Swedish Air Forces. All references to any “neutrality policies” politically and in e.g. Swedish security strategies, documents, decisions and policies were removed as soon as Sweden became a member of the EU 1995. Since then Sweden became more of a NATO-member in action and preparations, than most NATO members themselves. One very important outcome from the lack of military hardware available in the 1930s in Europe when Hitler built up its war machine and started WWII, coupled with the Swedish non-military-alignment with the sole purpose to declare itself neutral as per the above was the fact that Sweden built up its own Defence Industry, which today is, considering the size of the country, large and in many areas world leading. This was not mentioned in the interview as also a huge benefit for both NATO and the EU strategically.
@peterjaniceforan3080
@peterjaniceforan3080 8 ай бұрын
🇸🇪👍
@peace_harmony65
@peace_harmony65 8 ай бұрын
Sweden won 🇸🇪❤️🎊💯
@jarmosalonen2068
@jarmosalonen2068 8 ай бұрын
Political "elites". Justyna uses a word that I have heard Konstantin from inside Russia using. It is not common in Finland and I doubt the usage in Sweden either. Could be a USSR term?
@anders110
@anders110 8 ай бұрын
Låt oss se hur ska det gå med jas-39 säljning
@swedishgooner6339
@swedishgooner6339 8 ай бұрын
Den kommer att booma! Precis som CV90 och Archer
@vicolin6126
@vicolin6126 8 ай бұрын
"uuhm" :D
@Llamadosalvaje
@Llamadosalvaje 8 ай бұрын
🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 SLAVA UKRAÏNI 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
@UpRisingDown
@UpRisingDown 8 ай бұрын
Aam.... Aam...Aamn Aa. But good work otherwise 👍
@kristofferhellstrom
@kristofferhellstrom 8 ай бұрын
Now i can't stop thinking about the Aaa when watching this :P
@184Kitkat
@184Kitkat 8 ай бұрын
I also noted some factual errors.. First of all, Finland and Sweden agreed BEFORE applying TOGETHER to NATO, not as the lady stated, "Finland decided to join which put Sweden in an awkward position." Second, why Sweden joined is not as much Sweden's need for protection bit rather to reduce the risk of Russian invasion of the Baltics, which likely would pull Sweden in to the war anyway, by vastly increasing NATOs position to protect and reinforce the Baltics, thereby lessening the risk of war. There, fixed it for you 😉
@UpRisingDown
@UpRisingDown 8 ай бұрын
@@kristofferhellstrom 😂
@UpRisingDown
@UpRisingDown 8 ай бұрын
@@kristofferhellstrom Jag antar du är svensk utifrån ditt namn 👍😊
@UpRisingDown
@UpRisingDown 8 ай бұрын
@@184Kitkat i didnt get that far into it. I had to quit before the aam stuff. But thanx for the ambitious text 😊 // sweden
@StPaul76
@StPaul76 8 ай бұрын
It is a win-win for Sweden. Like always. Without any real significant army(ground forces/cannon fodder)but more like a group of well-equipped boutique units with guaranteed ethnic-and gender diversity to show about and do 'marketing' Sverige around the 'Western Community" without any real risk(geological)of going into front lines and comming back with body bags is a safe bet and adds to Sweden's reputation value for sure.. Sweden's already wealthy military industry gets new orders from other nations' tax payers' pockets and even the Nato-demanded 2% out of the GDP goes straight into domestic weapons industry like the BAE/Saab from Swedish net tax payers' pockets. Located nicely behind Finland, the Baltics and the sea it is very convenient to post and flex muscles especially when it brings gold to the Bank.. The game Swedish elites have played for about 200 years now since the old, blue-blooded nobilities still own the bulk of the Swedish industry and therefore it always pays in their pockets like always.. ;D
@MatzeMB85
@MatzeMB85 8 ай бұрын
Classic mistake only looking at the army. The airforce and navy is where the budget goes. The standing army is to hold the north or hunt down any invaders unfortunate enough to make it to the mainland. It's ment to be elite by design with 100 000 screened every year, 8000 picked and the best get job offers after training. We have concription to get reservists when needed not a standing force of "not so gooders" to eat up money and polish employment numbers.
@the_g371
@the_g371 8 ай бұрын
Good enough - and better to pay to Sweden (EU) than to Americans (MAGA).
@Basca112
@Basca112 8 ай бұрын
As a Swede i am dissapointed in Swedish goverment, this is a BIG step and the public had no say in it, and i thought Sweden was a democracy yet the public had no say in it. I have no faith in our goverment anymore.
@Basca112
@Basca112 8 ай бұрын
@@jonlittle5032 I did not vote, did not like any of the parties, and now its moving more and more toward a 2 party system with the blocks. No i do not want a Swedish Trump. How do you know what the majority wants if you dont ask them, the asking is important. I am pro Nato but still i think it should have been voted on.
@peabase
@peabase 8 ай бұрын
It must come as a complete surprise to you that Swedish is, and has been since the late 19th century, a representative democracy.
@45641560456405640563
@45641560456405640563 8 ай бұрын
To be fair it's hard to think there wasn't a massive amount of public debate in Sweden over this. This pitiable whimpering about not getting to vote is idiotic - you don't vote on every act or law put through Swedish parldo you? Grow up.
@thomaseriksson6256
@thomaseriksson6256 8 ай бұрын
We dont like Nato
@EOOtikattenant
@EOOtikattenant 8 ай бұрын
You might not. I do. So, speak for yourself, not for others, fåne.
@COPPAS70
@COPPAS70 8 ай бұрын
@thomaseriksson6256 Well, that’s mostly your personal preference I guess… since about 65 % of the inhabitants (myself included) are pro NATO according to different polls.
@thomaseriksson6256
@thomaseriksson6256 8 ай бұрын
@@COPPAS70 An issue too important to be decided not by vote but by a political class that gave us mass immigration, destroyed power generating infrastructure and shut down defense
@hamhouke
@hamhouke 8 ай бұрын
Well. You just got an Article 5 upgrade to your defense! And we got an amazing new partner in stability and peace. Welcome to NATO, Friends! 🇺🇸❤️🇸🇪
@thomaseriksson6256
@thomaseriksson6256 8 ай бұрын
@@hamhouke The elite will use German solders to put down the peoples revolt in Sweden that's why the want to be a member
@Rix.67
@Rix.67 8 ай бұрын
👎🇸🇪
@Jwalker0075
@Jwalker0075 8 ай бұрын
Sweden just doesn't know the danger
@AlexKall
@AlexKall 8 ай бұрын
We do, that is why we joined NATO.
@Sombre_gd
@Sombre_gd 8 ай бұрын
Oh, russia is the pain on the butt of Sweden for at least 3 centuries, just like for every other country in the Eastern, Central and Nothern Europe.
@pauljohansson363kagy5
@pauljohansson363kagy5 8 ай бұрын
The only danger is Russian imperialism towards the Baltic states
@michaelrahm6180
@michaelrahm6180 8 ай бұрын
Please develop your thougths,
@michaelrahm6180
@michaelrahm6180 8 ай бұрын
Scandinavia has the most high private Gun rifeld community in the world per capita, more than the US. So what is ur bullshit about ??
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