SYMBOL OF THE IMPERIUM! FULGRIM AND SANGUINIUS!

Hey everyone Rho here! Today we're discussing the similarities between Fulgrim and Sanguinius! How perhaps, the Emperor originally intended a very different role for each of them...
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[@Iceisnice1]

_Of all the Emperor's sons, only two had been called beautiful. But Sanguinius's beauty had been alien, inhuman; a thing wrought from humanity's dreams. Fulgrim, on the other hand, was humanity personified. The apex and aleph of human. The canon of proportions, in the flesh. Vitruvius ascended._ - Excerpt from Clonelord

[@Humpolot84]

OK IM BUYING CLONELORD AS WE SPEAK. GW NEEDS TO PAY U FOR ADVERTISMENT !!!

[@Iceisnice1]

​@@Humpolot84 Haha, glad you think so ^^ May want to start with Primogenitor first, though. Clonelord is the second novel in the Fabius Bile trilogy, so it could be a bit of a confusing place to start.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

This particular qoute has always be The Qoute on the subject for me.

[@Humpolot84]

AYE, GLAND LORD !!

[@boraeananaren]

Didn't realise Clonelord was part of a trilogy! Just bought the other 2. Gives me a reason to reread Clonelord. Thanks

[@kathrynadkisson8964]

I really wish Games Workshop will use Clonegrim eventually. I out of all the Primarchs, I like Fulgrim's ideals and values the most, before his fall. The idea of him being released and igniting a 'Renaissance' within the Imperium should not be wasted!

[@AthosJosue]

I doubt it; they literally went out of their way to delete him from the settings.

[@luigregorio4682]

Striving for perfection is a fools dream . Even before his fall fulgrim was always lost in his bull shit .

[@Paradise2003]

Where there's money to be made, there's a way. Don't lose hope. 😅 Under dire circumstances Trazyn has unleashed his frozen army. He might see need again.

[@makrusnormendez357]

​@@luigregorio4682so true. Thats what makes fulgrim, the primarch and the book, one of my favourites. Cursed from the start i found his story to ve so interesting. Then i feel they stuffed it up with all the clone stuff.

[@ibashcommunists6847]

Pointless lore going around in circles for decades now.

[@BishopFurio]

It seems fullgrim was meant to be put over the planetary governments and nobilities. And Sanguinius for the soldiers and perhaps the common folk.

[@jpmetroidkiller96]

Fulgrim is one of my favorites. Out of all the primarchs, I see my good and bad traits in him the most. I hope he can come back in some way and get more character development.

[@paul-antonywhatshisface3954]

Pre heresy fulgrim was supreme. Its just a shame all his most noble officers got killed and replaced with simpering yes men. Also a small thing with huge implications in support of your point is the fact the emperor made them purple, there's no way he didn't intend the symbolism behind that.

[@viridisxiv766]

exactly, they wear imperial purple, theyre called the emperors children, they alone wear the emperors aquila...

[@viridisxiv766]

you make a good argument. when you put it like this it does sound like fulgrim was meant to be the emperors envoy or ambassador while sanguinius would be stay at home as his regent.

[@____________838]

One was an emissary for everything outside the Empire, the other the figurehead within the Empire

[@REDRAGON12345]

Fulgrim for out and Sanguinius for inside?

[@eyeofgnosis558]

Fulgrim and Sanguinius seem to be the most cultured of the Primarchs too and were invested patrons of the arts suggesting perhaps a more nuanced role in the Imperium that was meant to be after the Great Crusade :)

[@WarriorKidd06]

The way you break this down is very interesting. Makes his fall that much more sad

[@nolancavanaugh406]

Sanguiniun is the purest/ noblest/ truest/ most loved of all the primarchs. He is the only primarch to be completely compared with the emperor. He was chosen to sit the throne when the emperor was gone

[@Archon3960]

Ironically, Sanguinius was the closest loyalist to being corrupted. x) I think what made Guilliman better in that regard is that he failed _before_ he met the Emperor. He found out the hard way that he was not ifaillable, that sometimes stuff happens and you gotta deal with it. It gave him the humility that none of his brothers (and his creator for that matter) ever got. Not even Perturabo. And maybe this was why Sanguinius valued Roboute so much. :/

[@dagnirglaurunga1620]

Horus was lorgar's counterpart, if you pay attention to how lorgar is described and the effect he has on people you'll pick it up.

[@aguspuig6615]

it is true that they are boht bald

[@livingghost7975]

I think sang and fugrim were meant to function as symbols of what humanity could be , sanguinious’s the noble aspirational dream that humanity was to strive for and fulgrim the reality of all that humanity could achieve. One being a more gronded aspiration a perfected form of all that we could be the other being a lofty dream.

[@SunshineNaomi]

My favourite primarch is actually Fulgrim, and I consider his story the most tragic of all the traitor primarchs. Seeing what happened to a so precious, charming, intellingent man, made me thing, that he would have been happier or even more succeful to be remain the ruler of Chemos, and be the king od his own planet. He "upgraded" a whole planet! He made the life much better on Chemos, he was the only primarch, who actually had some kind of love life as well. After he became the leader of the Emperor's Children, he always wanted to be the best, better than his brothers. And then, he found that damn Laer sword, everything got so chaotic, so tragical... I cried a lot about it. He even kiiled his beloved brother Ferrus. What a loss! A charismatic, charming, intelligent, strong primarch was consumed by Chaos... Despite what happened, I still adore him, but I clearly miss the pre-heresy Fulgrim, who was the most outstanding fuire among the primarchs.

[@Kat1kafka]

Fulgrim's hair will never be as fabulous as Sanguinius's

[@Humpolot84]

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

[@TheToxicMairon]

I think fulgrim was generally intended to be a diplomat and symbol for the imperium, but in a proper manner. I imagine the emperor intended fulgrim to be somewhat like rylanor and all the other emperor's children who dwelt in the emperors light... to strife for perfect in a more virtues way - to become the best version of themselves, the best mankind can offer in order to display it whenever he is engaged in any diplomatic work.

[@dansmith4077]

A sacrifice to the algorithm

[@marsmech]

some how I just keep thinking of the mom who is your favorite meme. its the Lion and Fulgrim "Dad who is your favorite?" "I like you all equally" * Fulgrim leaves * * the emperor pulls the Lion close * "Its you by.. and by A LOT, here a bunch of warcrimes weapons and some men of iron".

[@321lionheart8]

*Horus was allegedly the first son found and raised by the emperor. Because you're forgetting Alpharious* .

[@Archon3960]

Yeah, except he's dead. xD *[OR IS HE?]* --I think -_-Omegon-_- died on Pluto. Not Alpharius who maybe became Omegon and re-became Alpharius when Omegon Alpharius died.--

[@buntosuaurus2613]

Great video mate , definitely my two favourite primarchs ! ( Sanguinius is my favourite of the two) I love Book 5; Fulgrim

[@makrusnormendez357]

100 percent mate. Blood angels and sanguinius have always been my favs. To be honest, i didnt like fulgrim at the start but after reading fulgrim my tune changed. Huge fan of that book.

[@RSBurgener]

I think Fulgrim was always destined to be the Dandy. He's got an Oscar Wilde quality that is so prevalent. Maybe it was the degrading humbleness he was surrounded by on Chemos that caused him to dream of a better galaxy. And these humble beginnings may have made him insecure about not being good enough and greedy for something more. It caused him to be very self-involved; totally different from Sanguinius who thought mostly of others. But the levity that Fulgrim brings, the acerbic wit, the fabulousness of his personality; Sanguinius was never really like that. And it was something that the Imperium could have used, had his self-involved tendencies not been exploited by Chaos.

[@jackblack9605]

I look at it differently. I think the rot didn't start in Chemos, but Chemos was his high point. He turned a depressed planet into a stable and livable place without any bloodshed and was beloved by the people. It's Fulgrim at his best. I think the rot started when he saw his legion and the other Primarchs. He was no longer the best of the best, and the state of his legion was pitiful. Even though he was found 5th, those who came later, like Guilliman and Sanguinius and their legions, were making names and becoming legends, while his legion needed to be under Horus' Luna Wolves. That kind of resentment has to hurt, especially for someone who has always been the best. It explains why he took Russ' challenge personally and did the compliance with Byzas with only 7 Astartes, or when he and 3rd defeated the Lear, he did it in less time than the Imperium projected. It's someone who feels like he has a chip on his shoulder and needs to overprove himself, starting to do risky and stupid things. Fulgrim is basically like the smartest kid in his town going to Harvard, only to realize he's not the best, he's not well-equipped, and kids that came later are doing better than him, then he goes on to do coke, sex, and eventually loses himself

[@Willjoestar]

Dam it put fulgrim loyalist soul in clone fulgrim and make him a true primarch then have him lead a black ops unit of Astartes so top secret only Guilliman the lion and the grey knights know of them.

[@APZachariah]

I thought the Aquila was because the IIIrd Legion had sacrificed many Marines to save the Emperor from an assassination.

[@warrenweaver6664]

Two of my favorite characters from Warhammer 40k

[@jonpaulevans31]

I think the Emp saying Fulgrim was the only Primarch to "move him," and the right given to bear the Aquila, were because the Emp saw that Fulgrim was needy and petulant. He needed to have his good deeds loudly noted and honored. Fulgrim and Sanguinius both felt they had something to prove, but Fulgrim's arrogance twisted that. If he had never found the Laer blade, maybe his attachment to duty/loyalty continues to overpower his desire to seem perfect. Personally, I think he could've ridden out the Heresy as a loyalist, but without some true self-reflection he would eventually fall to Slaanesh.

[@thatotherguy8138]

Agreed. And the artwork about Fulgrim does him no favours either - it often makes him look like he'd fit right in with that Twilight Meme, where Michael Sheen is dressed like medieval European aristocrat, looking down at the sub-human peasants.

[@aguspuig6615]

cant let my boy have a single win

[@jonpaulevans31]

@@aguspuig6615 Hey, I dig Fulgrim. Good character/arc, badass swordsman, EC are my favorite traitor legion. But he was needy for recognition, even before the Laer blade. Sanguinius (tho I am a biased BA guy) had the same desire, to prove he was worth his station, but it didn't make him petty.

[@andarchy1386]

I think the contingency plan for emporers envoy was Fulgrim and Lorgar

[@makrusnormendez357]

My favourite primarchs

[@codyyoutz]

Ive always wondered, at 3:00, what is Sanguinius holding? Reminds me of a finger bone.

[@aguspuig6615]

it feels like some sort of little slaanesh token

[@hajibbly]

Hi Wolf Lord! Comments for the comment throne!

[@fluffmma9076]

Top 10🎉

[@tero2535]

I think sanguinius would hated it he was man of action a warrior

[@gabriel0santiago]

Look if anyone is going to change hair colors is better to be a primarch isn't

[@bobjohnson1633]

Sanguinius was everything the traitors wished the were

[@Kierano777]

Interesting you keep referring to Sanguinius as the more down to earth and human when honestly I'd see it as the complete opposite. Sanguinis is the numenous and aloof one and Fulgrim more human.

[@MagaldiMateus]

I feel a little revolted to see a image of the two together.

[@luigregorio4682]

Fulgrim to me was always a fool. he was the only brother stupid enough to strive for perfection. Literally all the other brothers realize how stupid that was and looked down on him. With the exception of lorgar .