Billy Robinson: Gotch Toe Hold

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[@twoblink]

When he died; it was like a library burned to the ground. :( Thanks Billy.

[@paulmahon7703]

this is so well put.

[@thewizardofodds6839]

Seriously he was too damn good

[@ventwilliams3352]

Albert Yang 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🤙👂

[@jewelcitizen2567]

Albert Yang A most apposite metaphor sir…

[@65DDTG]

I love how when the old man speaks, the young men listen and learn.

[@Libertariandude]

These guys are smart enough to know who the papa bear is. Truly a great man other men look up to.

[@razile96]

Every single move that Billy shows was to break a bone . Alot of his moves are rare that were lost from real wrestlering. A legendary Billy .

[@kadasrichard]

Catch wrestling is brutal if executed properly.

[@WiqedWhiteGorilla]

Billy was not having it with the ass crack jokes!

[@yokedupbra]

My old catch coach would always ankle lock and neck crank me. I learned soo much when I went to a bjj school later they were pissed cause I would neck crank and ankle lock annd heel hook higher belts. They would get me of course but if I got them it was an ankle lock that I remembered from my coach.

[@markbell8343]

He was the Greatest REAL Wrestler of our time!

[@HAM-sb2ns]

Mark Bell and professional wrestler

[@chriscriswell9024]

I remember watching Billy Robinson in the early 80's on Memphis Wrestling .

[@joetumlad24]

Long Live! Sir Billy Robinson. ❤🇵🇭

[@ggremlin]

i been training in CACC, Shootfighting for 14 years now, & i still find all this intriguing to me. No matter if ive drilled, watched caught this many times , its still all new to me. As of now im getting certified & will continue to train/teach these old school ways until im Billys age :).. thank you coach Robinson & coach Gotch

[@edgar22452]

gabriel g I'm a striker. I come from a Shotokan karate background would it be hard for me to transition into Catch wrestling?

[@criticalbill2090]

edgar brown I'm train in submission wrestling and a purple belt in BJJ, but I also train boxing and kickboxing. I can comfortably transition between them, it just comes down to how intrigued and willing to learn the individual is. Id say go for it

[@ventwilliams3352]

🤙🤙🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@stevepriest7341]

A true expert never stops learning

[@schaelakhan]

True master ever video with Mr. Robinson is my favorite

[@TakingItToTheMMAT]

Nobbleykyle, you've got to remember where some of these techniques come from. In Catch Wrestling you can just as easily lose by pin fall. So the energy is going to be such that the guy in defense position will be fighting to not be rolled over. Yes you could go for guard and this will nullify the move in say MMA or sub wrestling, but in CACC you've just given up a pin. Great question.

[@peterpaul9375]

i never seen those locks before. Awesome. i need to learn that stuff

[@Papasquatch73]

You said "Boy that is nasty. My favorite shin lock I friggin love those." You guys are awesome at sharing information and you guys crack me up.

[@ingotants3809]

Who gives this a thumbs down?Are you serious?I would have given my left Arm to train with anybody from Wigan when i was younger.

[@kallepikku4991]

The Gracies of course. ;)

[@MarkPiggy79]

+Kalle Pikku The disgracies is more like it 😂😂😂

[@eddierattlehead6183]

Anybody who’s ever fallen victim to this version of the Toe Hold.

[@Airsoftcleaner]

I used to think that William Regal was Billy's Son

[@999samboi]

Say Uncle is a great book. Taught me a lot about the history of wrestling, highly recommend if your a grappling enthusiast, like me!!

[@davidducker]

have been trying for years to find out what exactly frank gotch's 'famous toehold' was, very excited to finally see it

[@cmurphy0707]

The book just arrived and I've learned a lot right now.

[@Dumnorix100]

Techniques like this are suprisingly easy to catch people with because they are simple, quick, and noboby is looking for them. I've caught people with a cross body toe lock they didnt even know was possible.

[@alisterfabian9991]

Dumnorix100 and thats why its catch wrestling because you catch them off guard

[@TheTaterTotP80]

Isn't it because you catch what you can? @@alisterfabian9991

[@tombslasher]

Deadly stuff. 😎Catch wrestling hard as nails and rough as gutts but looks a lot of fun.

[@Jonnynot1plate]

This man is an utter legend. Do you guys sell his book "Physical Chess?" Also, I was wondering what his opinion on Judo is? I love both these styles. I know he is good friends with Gene Labell. I agree, like Mr. Robinson, that the Olympics are killing Judo because of the lack of submission time it allows. Heard him on a podcast, and could have listened to him all day.

[@cmurphy0707]

I'm definitely trying this in my gym tomorrow.

[@shoalriverscourge]

Cool!! Always wondered how this particular technique was done by Frank Gotch back in the day!! Just read about it!!

[@kingtangoim9056]

Man billy Robinson is the truth

[@TakingItToTheMMAT]

@LOLittleHero, I hope you do. If so, thank you for supporting our instructors and friends. It's a rough life these great men have chosen. No 401K, no insurance, no health plan. Thats where your hard earned dollars go. To insure a respectable living for great teachers who love the art so much and are willing to share it with us.

[@tomwalker389]

That is freaking brutal.

[@fookiemonster]

I liked this as soon as I saw BILLY ROBINSON on the title. Not disappointed with the techniques 5 mins later, of course, Billy is a God.

[@scnarb]

Even in mma with the guard those toe holds can work, you can keep someone from pulling guard while going for a toe hold from quarters if you use your weight right. And even if you do pull guard they still will have control of a leg and probably be able to pass.

[@LOLittleHero]

awesome! i'm gonna buy this book right now!! fuck yeaa

[@LOLittleHero]

@TakingItToTheMMAT yeah you guys have my support 100%. I've always wanted to learn catch wrestling one way or another! Since I don't live in America but in the UK so the closest to catch wrestling we have here is greco roman. I had a look on amazon for 'Say Uncle' and had a 'look inside' the book, although a preview of part 3 'techniques' wasn't available, i was wondering if that section would teach me a lot more techniques from catch wrestling and allow me to use it in my grappling game

[@mishaaskar3323]

But... CACC was literally form the Snake Pit in Wigan... Thats in the UK. I'd say looking I to your own backyard first.

[@MetalGamer666]

@TakingItToTheMMAT I hope things change for the better when it comes to health care. At least I'm glad to be living in a country where health care is free, even if I hurt myself doing something illegal (like MMA and pro boxing is here).

[@frankiebey1279]

Sneaky. I like it!

[@suzuyan-komoriya]

キャッチアズキャッチキャン、ブラジリアン柔術、修斗、なんでも習える良い時代になった。

[@KJGould]

You can also break them down and put weight on them to stop them turning to their back, and finish the toe hold.

[@brottarnacke]

Same here. Looks vicious too.

[@Nobbleykyle]

Oh I see. Thank you. See toeholds are some of my favorite submissions and I'm always looking for new ways to get one ya know. This move's great but unfortunately it won't work for what I do :/ Could you point me in the direction of some videos showing more MMA applicable Toeholds and leg locks?

[@shoveah1]

Awsomnesss

[@fredcharlotte]

If only that happened more in this world.

[@Nobbleykyle]

Also, Frank Gotch used to do something he called the "Toehold over the leg" Do you know of any video where I could view this move or anything?

[@ptothej100]

You got it. Would you also agree that elite catch wrestlers just don't make the mistakes or take risks like super aggressive fighters in time limit MMA bouts?

[@Mountshilol]

Wow

[@SwordTune]

What do they say when they make you tap with this? Gotchya.

[@lucag.lisickza425]

wow

[@ramseydoon8277]

Is the book still available?

[@ptothej100]

It's a completely different concept, skill set and motivation. UFC favors aggression, quickly gaining control and finishing. 5 min rounds with rules etc. Catch wrestling favors closing the distance, keeping your weight on your opponent and having the skill and patience to work your way into position. It's not a matter of getting a particular submission. Its a matter of locking in when the joint, limb is available. Once it's hooked in, the last thing you would think about is gaining guard.

[@Nobbleykyle]

I don't understand how these holds would work. I do MMA. I train Karate, Jiu Jitsu and Wrestling and I understand like if someone try's these holds on me what is to stop me from just pulling guard to defend?

[@timothystewart7273]

how do you stop him from rolling out or going for his own tow hold?

[@antitankgunguy3192]

Late reply (and I'm no expert), but I think they definitely could roll out, but the move is meant to be done at such a high tempo as to mitigate the chances of rolling out. Once your ankle is cranked, there isn't a lot of time to attempt an escape before the crank has gone too far and you end up with permanent damage. I'd love to hear some alternate views on this so feel free to criticize or follow up with some feedback.

[@THIS---GUY]

@@antitankgunguy3192 you could be mean and step over the far leg so if they roll they get stuck inverted lol that way they can watch the submission front row

[@scarred10]

theres catch in england in several places.In bolton ,wigan,in manchester and surounding areas,there are probably more i dont know about,its rare though.Greco is absolutely nothing like catch and greco is extremely small in britain,almost non existant.Freestyle wrestling is catch without the subs and if you add no gi bjj youll have something very close to catch but without the emphasis on leglocks and neckcranks but youll have a better bottom game.

[@chriszaun4675]

catch wrestling is more realistic then bjj,you dont want go to the guard on the street

[@peterpaul9375]

when you face an opponent that outweighs you by 100 lbs in a streetfight you will always be on your back on the ground whether you want to or not. you will never stay on top. he will just turn you over or bench press you off. Catch wrestling with the bjj guard would be a great combo

[@HassanKhan-rk2hu]

Is that legal in Brazilian Ju Jitsu?

[@luchador1764]

if you want leg locks for MMA, check out Erik Paulson's stuff.

[@bangermccrusher]

where is billy teaching? where is this school located??

[@BrazilianJackJitsu]

If you try and roll back to guard while this hold is in effect, you end up breaking your own ankle or snapping your knee. If the guy kicks out and tries to roll to guard, any decent grappler will put his knees in straight away and kills the hips. For any grappler in any stipulation of grappling this is a bad place to be in.

[@peterpaul9375]

strange. you go for the submission without controlling the body first. in bjj first you control the torso then you go for the submission

[@theodorewurz8424]

+Peter Paul It's a different kind of control, but control none the less. Every hold that exists in Catch as Catch Can exists in BJJ, what is different is the tempo, angles of attack etc. Catch as Catch Can is wrestling first and foremost, so as in folkstyle or freestyle (which are basically CACC minus the submissions), you control the body by taking a hold, for example of the head, or the wrist. Here, the wrestler controls the leg and applies the submission, if it is defended, there will be a scramble and this will likely result in attacking with more submissions. Also keep in mind that a CACC match can be won by pinfall, that changes the submissions used a bit. But my point here is that they are controlling the body, its just done differently than BJJ.

[@peterpaul9375]

+Theodore Wurz not bad. where can i learn this stuff?

[@SwordTune]

@@peterpaul9375 England is it's birthplace. There are MMA gyms and instructors in the US who can train you if you join them. If you're looking for a smaller venue, I'm not sure where exactly trainers are located, but a quick Google search in your local area might find out. Look for CACC or Catch Wrestling.

[@mishaaskar3323]

Well there is control but using a different method... For BJJ its position before submission... In Catch, Pain and pressure is king. Where you can produce it to cause them to flinch or behave, you control them even if they didn't want to. You attack their baser instinct. Example, when the person goes on all four to turtle, in BJJ, this is frowned upon because of the rear naked choke, but Catch's solution to someone trying to slap on the rear naked Choke on them while in turtle guard is to literally create a pike and let the guy backpacking slip further down the slope until his grip is basicly to keep from falling or he let's go and has to attack again... Other ways catch wrestlers gets rid of a rear naked Form the turtle is attack the leg by forcing an ankle lock by pulling on to the foot to the side and grinding the wrist or elbow into the ankle of shin until the pain makes them let go, even applying a toehold. So in this case... The hand driving all the way up between the legs until the side of the fist it along the asscrack makes the defending person feel they are about to be thrown so they double down on their weight to the floor, not knowing it was to have the hand ready to grab a twisting foot for the toehold... Its very brutal stuff, honestly... But it gives a very big insight on how Gentle Jujitsu is compared to Catch whose main intent is to mangle the part it attacks.

[@kentallard8852]

in ancient Greek Pankration matches people would get out of holds by breaking their opponents toes

[@ptothej100]

THIS

[@carlos3salas]

actually if you pull guard while getting toe holed that way you're gonna lose a foot.

[@RightWingCon81]

I kick out, then role to guard, the what?

[@SpecialK6685]

The fact you would tap first. Honestly, how would you pull guard from the first toe hold shown?. This is wrestling based, not butt scooting (BJJ) based. I had (many years ago, when it mattered), a blue belt in BJJ, and a wrestling background. CACC lent itself to my skill set (wrestling), more than BJJ. A tap is a tap in the end. Find the path that best suits you to that end.

[@Seir]

We don't go to guard in the street.

[@russneese1004]

Ease up Jake

[@ptothej100]

Honestly, Brazilian Ju Jitsu and Catch Wrestling would be considered boring by UFC standards, but to say that the concepts wouldn't apply is just ignorant.

[@shikat2371]

Nowadays, all the wrestler can do is to give his opponent a slap on the face or a kick or a shove to the face or body using his other foot to break the hold. But in Frank Gotch's day, it was illegal to slap your opponent, even though Gotch was a dirty wrestler himself.

[@Gitohandro]

So thats what smoking does to you

[@brottarnacke]

Don't f-ing kick a dog.

[@Pfsif]

Don't hurt your partner, if your angry kick a dog.

[@Mr_Iain]

Dude tapping is in labour.