Talk to Thorin: Reginald on S7 TSM Post-Worlds (LoL)

[@DrachenYT]

I love it when mommy and daddy stop fighting.

[@dicemm5544]

Yea, I hate it when mommy for no reason throws stuff at daddy and then doesn't speak to him for the past 5 years, but now that she finally took her pills it's all okay.

[@haralith7578]

Did not expect this outro to be honest. 10/10

[@BluesBreakerJerry]

So cut the western shit!

[@VegasLyfe]

Most mature Reginald I have ever seen. I gained some respect for him for the way he did this interview

[@hammersbaseball11]

King Raphael He's been really good about it over the last few years. I used to hate his guts with his immature bullshit but he has definitely become a very good leader and owner.

[@engladtur]

he has been like this for years what?

[@JohnnySomaliIsGay]

a loser owner....

[@MarcTelesha]

This has been his common mod of operation for three years now. Reason why he is the owner of the most popular team in NA and a great meme generator.

[@MarcTelesha]

Yeah they only own NA since season 1. Every Final has had TSM has got to mean a lot.

[@erisgudajunge]

nothing but respect for regi doing this

[@articunto]

Boy I haven't even watched this video yet I know it's going to be good

[@pawwwed2111]

i like how every-time Thorin says something that he said in his previous video about Reginald he says, " the way people think of it is right..." common Thorin... he watched the video lul

[@sunnydlite-t8b]

Actually, he may not have watched it. Just because this video is uploaded today doesnt mean this interview happened yesterday.

[@D2ezbmu]

yeah i agree.. this is an awesome video but the way Thorin poses every question with "A lot of people" got old.. there was no real dialogue or counter/follow up here and maybe that was the point... But it did get dated and annoying after awhile.

[@yootoobnewbie]

Thoorin is the master of sttawmen.

[@CLanigera]

Thorin was really pushing his narrative on this interview, which unfortunately didn't give both sides of those views proper voice from Regi. Maybe Regi agrees with Thorin, maybe he doesn't, but since Regi only got to answer on one perspective, we don't know his perspective on the other (fx, the opinions LS had on the interview last week.)

[@therenzix]

I think it's funny how many times he said "people say" when he is the one saying it in the last episode of narrative wake

[@matt96533]

Daniel DeBruno xDD

[@justinstrange9612]

That gave me a giggle too. Then again his opinion was pretty much that of any other highly regarded lol analyst or icon.

[@yootoobnewbie]

It's a common tactic

[@borofreak]

yootoobnewbie Exactly. The point of the interview is to actually get good feedback and make the guest feel comfortable instead of attacking him/her. I think Thorin phrased his questions very well and it was obvious what he was doing and why, probably even to Reginald.

[@matt96533]

BoroFreak never thought about it from that perspective

[@TheBiggyBossTV]

This gonna be good

[@NecroEditing]

Just some points that I picked up on (I'm a shitter so mayber there are some holes in these): 1. C9 consistently make it out of groups by having good macro decision making. 2. Just because you are not playing against it, doesn't mean you can't practice it. You have coaches, analysts and scrim sessions to hone your skills and play a clean and controlled game. You don't need the best partner to play against, you just need one who is trying. 3. The "See-Saw" is played really well if you know where the enemy jungle is or will be (counting cs is for cavemen lul). If you know the enemy jungler is going to be top, and you jungler is in a possition to intercept or help top then you don't need to pull back anywhere. 4. Koreans are better because they have a culture of respect; they listen to their coaches. The communication and co-ordination is purely a product of this respect and training. 5. Not really a comment but more a note. Notice how everything Regi lists that a jungler needs to do is reactive rather than pro active. Not really grounds to make an argument but I think it's interesting. (Explanation from Regi's side came later on) 6.17:00 to 18:00is basically Regi confirming the community suspicion that he likes to be very hands on. 7. To take on the pick-ban points, Regi is correct in this to an extent however it seem from him saying "it's what the players want to play" that they have their priorities in the wrong order. In a do-or-die situation you need the best setup possible for victory, not what makes the players happy. Happiness come from winning and making quaters. Anything else I don't feel competent enough to comment on or didn't jump out at me super hard. Any comments are welcome :)

[@lloydreyes265]

Just some thoughts about your points: 1. C9 consistently makes it out of groups because they always play with the winning conditions in mind, not just in-game. 2. They can practice it, it's just that they won't. Even they are a different iteration of TSM, they really do not care that much on team composition, especially if you are a smash-lane-win-game kind of a team. 3. Zirene explained Sven's warding mistakes on the TSM-Misfits tiebreaker, just to plug it in. They are really good on countering textbook ganks. but Worlds-caliber teams (yep even some from the Wildcard regions), do not rely on textbook ganks. 4. The problem with NA players is that they would want to pick what they feel (and think) would MAKE them win the game. This is, IMO, what makes NA players somewhat hard to coach. They are ready to defend their decisions to the coach (regardless of who's actually correct). Regardless of the coach's decisions, they are much comfortable in trusting their instincts. 5. SMASH-LANE-WIN-GAME. This is TSM's most preferred winning condition (aside from controlling the enemy blue). 6. Yep, and that really sucks, because domestically, being hands-on pays off. But at the international scene, nah. 7. They really need a coach. But I think, IMO, NA players would love coaches who are like have deep knowledge on the game and is mechanically proficient to understand intricacies of laning mechanics, regardless of anything. But yeah, this is just me. I'm just an outsider as well.

[@DjokovicIsOurLordAndSaviour]

Who do you two think you are lmao?! Analysing an interview and then analysing an analytical comment on KZbin? You gave me giggle.

[@lloydreyes265]

Just people who shared their views on some LoL-related stuff. You can actually join in and counter them. Well, counter them if you must. This is a free discussion overall.

[@juIceGoD14]

I agree, TSM didnt look 100%

[@hammersbaseball11]

zNecroHD Another thing not touched on is that Koreans and even the Chinese are very heavily backed by their communities. The Korean people idolize the esports players like people in America idolize football players. In America, people really dont care about gaming or think it is a joke. Even when you have your own gaming house and such and a good environment to work in, nothing compares to places like Korea that really have players who are being brought up encouraged and nurtured to play these games at a high level.

[@vin1105]

Hey mate loved the questions, asked everything i wanted to hear as a TSM fan. Keep up the good work

[@avery727]

"my perspective changes a lot based on the meta" jesus regi must have a new perspective every 2 weeks

[@Slintcello]

no idiot you have a general meta, then you have your sub metas. general for example is tank and scaling adc, sub meta is like ardent censor meta which didnt last long while tanks junglers and tops are still meta

[@brunohenderyckx6925]

Ls at the end of the video is golden

[@pelataan69]

yea LS knows whats up

[@RndyDX]

im ded

[@LordOfWinter]

CUT THE FUCKING WESTERN SHIT

[@porcu12345]

"The competition in our league needs to be better" While yes, that's somewhat true. It's definitely not the reason TSM didn't make it out of groups. The third NA seed gets into quarters and was incredibly close to making it to semi's. Post-series all the analysts agree C9 could/should have won that series if they didn't missplay during the A-sol game. They were in a harder group and took World Elite (the team TSM struggled with in groups) to 5 games. The problem is TSM.

[@fredbradbren]

The team TSM 1-1d in groups. They struggled hard.

[@Dressing007]

tsm struggled against msf more?

[@hamidazmani3382]

He's not saying that the league has to get better so that TSM gets out of groups, he is saying that in his opinion only teams from the best region with the best competition can win the entire tournament. (Best example last year's final was between 2 korean teams)

[@zPheonixProductions]

C9 got out of groups because EDG shit the bed. They went 3-3 just like TSM. I'm not making excuses for the way TSM played, they were WAY to passive and failed to adapt. But the fact is, Misfits and WE stepped it up in week 2 and EDG and AHQ didn't. C9 got a free ride out of groups

[@anik2965]

hmm... AHQ beat SKT, EDG beat C9, AHQ and almost SKT nice revisionist history bud. TSM beat MSF once and even got a rematch thanks to WE, but still lost when it counted. If you're talking about shitting the bed, it's losing to a 0-5 FW and then losing to MSF again when WE gave u a second chance.

[@davkayo6757]

love U Regi, stay cool and keep the roster, just from a fan perspective they look like good friends , still, whatever u guys decide to do, go on! Will keep cheering for ya

[@pureraww]

What Thoorin said in his video 'Reginald Doenst Delegate' , is actually the concern of many TSM fans, so him saying the phrase "people think/say" is correct and truthfull, because those things aren't new people have been saying them for a long time

[@ericprock7864]

Actually this is a great interview, very insightful.

[@thehound7162]

hell yeah still producing the best league content .. thooorin is the man

[@parc6211]

Great content, was wondering if you would make a video predicting franchising and then one after

[@MrWizardjr9]

i agree with regi that getting the best player is less important than getting a player that works well with the team. look at KT they have an all-star lineup and they are a good team but they never achieved the level of success that you would expect from the quality of player they have. also when players are on SKT they are considered one of the best of the best but after they leave they dont display the same level

[@OGEETOMO]

I enjoy Regi Thorin interviews. Dont get me wrong I dont watch league anymore but I remember when these 2 used to but heads but now they make good videos together

[@onetakehoovie5955]

The problem comes from TSMs lack of how to use a jungler. Maybe it's bjergsens or reginalds interpretation of it but every jungler tsm gets seems to get demoted to a walking ward instead of a jungler

[@Sladed]

considering sven couldnt play the meta to save his life i'm gonna blame him.

[@7186B]

The end with LS is so funny :D

[@dewiperrin9275]

Thoorins use of 'they think' to replace with what he thinks For example: 16:08 Just makes me laugh ahahha

[@BruvvaJosh]

He's a beta male LMAO!

[@matthalford237]

Have they ever tried having Reginald as the coach for a split? He always seems to be able to point out flaws with the team and if he wants to be involved that's the best way to do it. I understand that it'll impact the TSM brand from a business side but it's just a thought.

[@LTslimjim]

To everyone that doesn't accept the truth that since in NA TSM doesn't have to strategize as much as say C9 they don't get the point. C9/TSM played relatively the same despite getting out of Groups vs not. TSM being upset by a weak FW was their issue; aside from the terrible draft vs WE in game 2 with 3 weak lanes. Go watch Weldon's video on why Korea and SKT remain so dominant. There is a reason it's always KR vs KR or LPL in finals (in the other instances outside of the TPA outlier in S2) C9 arguably does have to do more to try to win domestically vs TSM. This may also be a reason why MSF peaked while G2 didn't advance. Your most talent reliant teams will not THINK complex enough and perform on strategic level when they are not consistently challenged. NA doesn't have enough strategic powerhouses. LPL has choked before as well but has always been strong in a meta that could play around botlane. NA has always had weak botlanes; other than maybe aphro/dl. That's why dl didn't respond favorably to comments TSM has a good chance due to ardent meta. Small sample size bias here is missing the big picture. NA & EU; but particularly NA, will continue to fall short as a region due to strength gaps. EU is willing to play more cheese or counter meta (not cheese in a negative sense) and NA tries too hard to copy LCK without the infrastructure to do so. You can't play like Korea without the environment that lets you test the best levels of LOL strategy without other opponents to practice your execution of it. This leads to false sense of ability to play at a high level. Most people that follow TSM or NA realize their strength has always been over a series and not Bo1. That's another reason that points out disciplined strategic play is something they lack. It's part of the problem and part of why "TSM sucked". Reading into it as just another excuse is to fail to educate yourself. Pointing to a competitive MSF series vs SKT; is the exception. Peaking and winning despite being the underdog is not the same as consistently competing in world finals. MSF lost in the end, but that would've made a good finals from their performance. TSM will need to coach up support and jungle to think for themselves instead of having perfectionist play caller Bjerg or too hyper DL trying to be the bigger voice when shotcalling. The team chemistry will require higher level of synergy instead of the skills based approach. I see Bio and Sven playing on a leash and not creative around the laners. TSM 2016 would've destroyed 2017 just because at least they knew how to execute as a team early game. EDIT: I might add the obvious point of needing better on stage coach and dedicated analyst. Parth was asked to do too much and if you need your owner taking control several times a year the writing is on the wall. C9 got Reapered at least; who out draft WE in 4 games arguably and could've won the series 3-0 if his team didn't choke it's early game lead in game 1. Regi needs a good Korean strategy/minded coach; doesn't have to be Korean, and then let them do their job and never let your players override them except on specific p/b stuff. Coach your players to learn other roles and improve in game synergy to allow strategies to be developed that they can actually execute.

[@balance1619]

LTslimjim imo replace parth and Sven , they r both dogshit

[@AdamMckeithan]

Interview with wu-kong. Should be a fun watch

[@CpnSpiritTv]

I was just queuing up for a league game and when i saw this and i was like nope better watch this, this gonna be gold.

[@Shmack_]

They got 3-4 new teams now coming in the league. I hope the Warriors keeps the same name and location in Oakland . Esketttitttt

[@adambirch6466]

It's so odd to me that TSM fans are always so salty toward Thorin when he and Regi obviously have respect for each other. I've always been a fan of Thorin's commentary and I've been a TSM fan since the first world championships at Dreamhack. This interview was fantastic.

[@Caeddavik]

2:15 "if each team is equal mechanically, (the win) ... is decided by drafting and strategy." In this case, it doesn't matter what region that you belong to, if your drafting and strategy is improved then you will win more games. That just highlights and underscores how important that coaching is, which directly relates to better drafting and strategies. You need a better coach on TSM

[@cupcakecula321]

I imagined that the pick and ban phase is a 1 v 1 between coaches playing a card game.

[@sp4z1221]

the end killed me. I love you.

[@coreyallen7401]

"There was an opportunity for us to pick up Pray" WELL WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU?!?!?!

[@xcelljy]

i dont know if it is WU KONG or if it is FIZZ . i dont know seriously.

[@ophbmystik]

People are disagreeing with what regi says, hes really thought it through which is funny because this is pretty much exactly what LS said about NA

[@SpoolForce2012]

I understand that winning worlds is a big goal that teams strive for, but the pressure and mental blocks that can come from just focusing on it are pretty great. TSM hasn't gotten out of groups yet and I do believe that the biggest reason for it is just mental blocks. They are too focused on the task at hand (winning worlds, or getting out of groups) and not focused enough on just improving. It's the difference between being outcome goal oriented and task goal oriented. Outcome goal oriented would be focusing on winning worlds and just on the outcome of everything you're working for. Task goal oriented would be focusing on improving in order to be the best players you can be. If C9 can make it out of groups, i know that TSM can. Just need to overcome the mental blocks. In my opinion I think if they keep going at the rate they are then they may not ever make it out of groups. Of course this is just my opinion and I am not in the team dynamics so this is just from what I can see, but I do believe getting another sport psychologist would help. I am currently taking a sport psych class and the information I am learning is really helpful. Honestly I think having a sport psychologist would really help them out a lot. Just need to overcome the mental blocks and they will be all set. Gotta forget about winning worlds, just focus on improving, celebrate the wins and be happy with them, and just have fun playing the game. Winning worlds will come, when you stop trying so hard to do it. Focus on improving, and as a result you will win worlds. Hope the best for TSM! Next season I know you guys will do great.

[@shadybrain3424]

honestly i think if they made it so teams wouldnt get relegated then tsm could suit up a tsm b team then go scrim spring in korea, im sure having a non competing team to practice strategies against would be something koreans would want to have. I think that would be the most ideal circumstance they could work with.

[@ToXiiCxMAST3RZz]

I love Reginald's honesty

[@HaxorSerialKiller]

Wasn't it some ginger english guy the "strategical coach" alongside kc woodbuck at the start of season 6?

[@bubst3r04]

I wish Regi would go full time with the team, and hire somebody to run the business how he wants to. He is super smart about the game.

[@arneneuhoff8742]

This is going to be spicy

[@xTanajzx]

"Some people..." who again?

[@OMGziTsHev]

xTanajzx real lol all those arguments are all from him

[@yootoobnewbie]

They are strawmen . Thoorin falsely projects mainstream views.

[@Cbrizzie]

I agree with everything Regi said except the bit about Sven and him dying early. He specifically told him not to die. He didn't tell him not to invade. He told him not to die. So immediately that shuts down any early game play that Sven may bring because he doesn't want to die. That's awful advice. He isn't gonna gank, and if he does, he isn't going to commit because he doesn't want to die. That's awful.

[@devilbhrothesavage2807]

This gunna be great af.

[@sakuyarules]

"Some people think that because you were mid and a shotcaller, Bjerg has to be a shotcaller" by some people does he mean himself, because that's literally what he said he thinks in the Reginald doesn't delegate video.

[@DarktoneX]

Respect for Reginald for being a great team owner

[@jdk5474]

"a lot of people are wondering" its me, thorin, im wondering.

[@LustWaffel]

What I find curious about the fact that you have to compete with the best to be the best. I have found that for example in boxing you don't always pick a strongest opponent to train with but a lower tier guy with a same style as the best. It's just food for thought. I am not a expert or anything but it's fun to think if the attitude towards the matches against a lower tier teams is taken in a wrong way in the west rather than we just can't get as high level of competition

[@TheTeamOden]

The to beat the best you need to compete with the best is an old excuse people use, especially North American teams used in the old SC days and now in the CSGO/LOL scene.

[@bizmac6796]

What Xmithie again?

[@RangKlos]

"I sit down and think about it, am I getting involved too much?" Dude, if you can only think for yourself, the answer gonna come out the same every single time. What you should ask is "If I am a player or a manager, will I be happy having the team owner looking over my shoulder ready to barge in 24/7?"

[@rajvirk4191]

but c9 also come from the same region there not always winning either so how come they made it out of groups every year they've went besides s5

[@pittaaaabread]

Ahem Kr coach vs tsm trash coach staff off course C9 is gonna make it out.

[@andrewbalaz7228]

Because SKT still loves Impact, so they win the game C9 needs to avoid tie breakers.

[@LetsRaZe]

manhal tellow well how did misfits do well then?

[@yuzumeow]

MasterSwagKing but how come they haven’t won anything for the past 2 years :(

[@guisasse]

Are you dumb or just stupid? Rethorical question (you're both).

[@raionxk1]

I miss Rush

[@ElysianCloud]

Raion Moye BibleThump

[@LionelM3ssi10]

No counter play

[@nexen3515]

Holy shit ! Is this whats its like to have your birthday AND Christmas a few days apart xD ? What s next Thoorin ? a video about Federer having a better year than Nadal ? (please do it :p)

[@12bucukfalandim]

reginald and shitty mics, name a more iconic duo

[@PR0BY717]

Ömer Ağaç tsm and groups lul

[@bshinjp]

This mic is actually better than his previous ones.

[@jujurawks]

Ömer Ağaç Vietnam and Napalm

[@Prodigyz8]

The first 10 minutes of this video is more insightful than anything LS has ever said.

[@Blaisem]

Problem with subs as a solution to having a bad day in group stages is you can only have 1 sub at worlds.

[@MaiHead92]

I love when my two dads make up. So peaceful.

[@Disaper]

The way i see it is that TSM is trying to create a team that resembles SKT from 2015, however that was a different meta with better players in every lane. Personally i think they should go for an aggressive play style, and try beat teams early like LZ did against SKT this LCK. I think if they go for this hyper aggressive, mash mouth approach they will be able to catch teams off guard, especially Korean teams like SKT that prefer to play late.

[@mykhaylok5347]

did it really happen? is this real life?

[@TheCrnJacKer]

Reginald been getting more fit he looks good now

[@EvelynDayless]

Regi just needs to buy 5 koreans and keep them in a cabinet for his team to scrim against.

[@abnazm7256]

Regi sure does love the word "perspective".

[@atrece175]

Can someone update me please? As far as I knew Thorin and Reginald were not the best friends

[@SoulLoveBase]

Reginald does a good job covering up his true emotions and intentions, but a telling bit is at 28:25 where he says, "I think the draft was really bad BECAUSE we were playing awful." This shows that Reginald quickly lost faith in his team due to what he considers performance issues. "The only way we were going to win (on this specific week) was to pick a comp that outscaled (ie easiest to play comp)." He's a hot or cold kind of guy. If you win, you're the best. If you happen to lose once, then shit hits the fan. Reggie's shit hit the fan and he went into "save the team" mode and dictated picks and bans before the game even started. TSM couldn't win with KogMaw because they didn't realize that a KogMaw comp needs some good frontliners to protect him. TSM couldn't win with Ryze because Ryze is a dumb champion. TSM couldn't play to their full ability because Reggie had no faith in them and got into the blame game like he always does and the players suffered for it and no one wanted to give a shit afterward. There's a point to be made, and it is passingly in this video, is that champ draft is super fast. There's not a lot of time to make decisions and to process picks. IMO this hurts the integrity of the game. Sure, it's fun to win a draft by being faster to react to certain picks and strats, but honestly 30 seconds a pick is super short and should be double that at least.

[@JinchurikiDemon]

Just started the podcast only 3 minutes in and I'm not buying Reginald's "NA isn't a strong enough regin to win worlds" argument. Let's not forget that Misfits took SKT to 5 games in convincing fashion and actually almost eliminated the possible world champions. This coming from worlds first timer. So I'm really sick of the excuse that NA isn't strong enough when C9 preformed better than them in a harder group. Just triggered me a little.

[@Shockdamost]

yeah ok, your right TL, echofox, flyquest are worlds caliber teams. regi must be an idiot

[@JinchurikiDemon]

I noticed you cherry picked teams for your argument, what I said still stands though Misfits performed better against a vastly stronger team then any teams TSM played against. Rookies who are new to the world's stage, and last time I checked EU isn't on a different level to NA. C9 performed better in a harder group as well which you also ignored.

[@iXiTeZz]

I agree, SK (csgo team) played in a weaker region but where considered the best team and won 2 majors

[@imeeky_4635]

I totally agree with you. Na league is like Eu league there’s weak and strong teams

[@Shockdamost]

misfits aren't in NA.... i don't understand what your trying to say? EU has historically been better then NA so its no surprise misfits out preformed.. i could have listed almost any team from NA and the point would have been just as valid. i just listed the bottom 3 to highlight my point, your delusion the NA is a good region is hilarious

[@alexchng]

Can someone explain the difference between the respective purposes of a coach vs an analyst? I keep hearing that Parth was originally hired to be an analyst, but he fell into the coaching position because of a void there. What is the issue with this? And why is Parth viewed as such a bad coach, if he was tired by the best team in NA to be an analyst? I genuinely don't know

[@brianmanas8434]

Alex Chung its more of adaptability. Look at week 2 of worlds in group D. The teams opted for more early to mid game comps and tsm just wanted to scale and coz of that their early game is shit and even om their wins its the same. Especially tsm vs W.E when tsm got rekt early game and got snowballed. They did not adapt at all.

[@Craxler]

About the 26 min mark; I bet Kkoma lets all skt members play whatever they want lmfao... I bet thats why they are the most dominating team of league of legends... Somehow it sounds like Parth is too scared to tell players what to play and too afraid of being responsable for the draft

[@CHEXi_]

New drinking game. Take a drink every time Regi says 'perspective'.

[@jamesseghs3428]

Holy fuck you got regi?!?

[@Xunataroadun]

'Even it increases our winning chances by 1% i'm gunna take Doublelift over Turtle'. Uh, didn't you say earlier that even if you have a player that is 10% better than another player in a lane, that it boils down to raw strategy at worlds? I'm not seeing the logic here, seems like a pretty backhanded argument.

[@ssoboguh]

Dade ye hes always like that...

[@atom095]

he said 10% isn't worth struggling through a language barrier if they picked up a Korean player

[@balance1619]

atom09 the whole argument thorium was making tho is that tsm has more resources than any other team. Regi didn’t deny it so why are these things problems? If they could get amazing imports and give the imports anything they want why doesn’t he do it? Regi dodged both questions hard af. I am still baffled at how much jungle talent NA lcs has and they still keep shitty ass sven...but regi ego won’t let him admit that he’s wrong....

[@calebemiller]

As a TSM fan, this is so depressing. Reginald has a micro-management problem, and he honestly doesn't think his involvement in coaching has anything to do with it. Regi is creating a toxic player environment and needs to BTFO and let his coaches do the coaching. Also, it sounds like TSM's drafting process is a hot mess.

[@draheim90]

Thorin: “A lot of people say...”Translation: “My own opinion is...”

[@brandonduplantis4489]

wasn't ready for the end lmao

[@nashred]

it is more clear to me more than ever that regi has no idea what he is talking about, HE THINKS HE DOES THOUGH

[@mitchellwilliam95]

Reggie has come a long way

[@BigMusicFan147]

"We have no competition" C9 makes it further than them LOL

[@Shockdamost]

but they loose to tsm - that what he meant

[@lordhawkeye]

The record between TSM and C9 is actually fairly close. It has come down to the meta/patch they play on that decides matches. In general neither team stomps the other.

[@simmills8716]

That's a mute point. C9 made it further out of a different group for one, and regardless of that, the whole point of that statement was to argue that the DOMESTIC league was not pushing TSM strategically and thus they cannot translate their domestic success to the international stage against teams who can field rosters as mechanically gifted as TSM's that are also strong strategically. This can all be true regardless of the performance of any of the other NA teams at worlds especially because none of them made it far. Misfits are another example of that, the only thing you can somewhat reliably say about them is that they are strong international performers. That doesn't necessarily mean that they're now better than 3rd place in Europe , its quite likely that they will still lose to G2 and Fnatic in the EULCS.

[@OldeDeus]

aF Kayzar its not close at all in the past few years TSM has been winning the match up far more than c9 does. Dont look at the total record. Look at the last three years.

[@dd-nn4hf]

Nathan LandShark Please dont be delusional. TSM were stuck in the group of death YET AGAIN. MSF, FW and WE. While c9 had SKT, EDG and AHQ which is basically the group of life.(Legit TSM and SKT are close, but I'd give the edge to TSM, purely based on the fact that Bjerg is equal to Faker, if not better) Don't be blindfolded by your fanboyism towards c9 you fucking TSM hater!!1!

[@vivistaples]

A video with Reginald with an LS outro lol

[@quizzicalsmudge877]

It really just sounds like they over corrected a problem with their team play, where they went from playing too aggressive to not aggressive enough. which a totally understandable thing to happen

[@LarsBjornar96]

Intro song??

[@idnyy]

i never expected this; any time soon that is.

[@bonzwah1]

Something that is inherently rough about scrim culture is that winning scrims is not very helpful for a team. Its way easier to learn from losses. It sounds like tsm wins alot of their scrims and everyone hypes them up...but meanwhile everyone else is improving and tsm isnt. Maybe tsm needs to reconsider how they approach scrims...maybe they need that echo fox style b team to try shit against. Its just something i thought about.

[@Holyspecter]

7:30 not true. This is excuses, meta was ardent, but some teams played non meta with fast pushing lanes. TSM sadly couldn't adapt.

[@nicholaslombardo8331]

I think reggie is wrong, korean teams have better systems in place so no matter what is going on in the game everyone knows what is going on and what they need to be doing

[@Eaglejorge]

Interview the rain man next, thank you

[@imeeky_4635]

Let’s be real the only time an NA team is gunna win worlds is never

[@awung11]

iMeeky_ don't worry. IMT can do it...Oh wait

[@xDPrismshotxD]

awungsauce too soon. RIP IMT 2016-2017.

[@hammersbaseball11]

awungsauce LMAO notlikethis

[@BruvvaJosh]

EU is in the same boat, they haven't won since the first worlds.

[@imeeky_4635]

Josh B but atleast they are able to go to game 5s against the best teams

[@Calihea]

"It's always a team game", except when you loose 2/3 years in a row in the same-fucking-way.

[@108noonoo]

Thing is its not even a shock Misfits were the better team and are now! They showed that by going 3-2 to skt! TSM only world class player is Bjergson

[@micky3432]

wait let me prepare some popcorn !

[@rexes92]

I didn't think this would happen

[@9thCrusade]

thats what ls said too. like eu and na ego is too high so they dont go for teamplays they go more for plays that they benefit from a individual persperctive

[@AbdulrahmanMajash]

The ending was so damn fitting! hahah

[@rasmusgraff8507]

i never rly liked reginald but fuck hes cool. thumbs up for doing this interview

[@ThankYouStayedHere]

great title (lol) gave me a chuckle

[@shtiposeter4599]

Bring back wild turtle :(

[@CA-ml3iv]

OMG YES

[@AaronFields85]

I personally feel the problem is they train in korea, and try to play and draft like Koreans. CLG did well at MSI because they played their game and who they felt were great picks for the meta. So their playstyle was different making it tougher for other teams to adapt. Why would you try to play like Koreans who have been playing their game better than anyone and knows the ins and out. Just an opinion I want the best for NA but I feel they should stick to playing against NA/EU.

[@vibesfrog]

Hm who is this mysterious people Thorin keeps mentioning?

[@ilililililil3776]

Is Thorin Regi's confessor lol

[@TheGPel]

This one is short.

[@Cpaterson132]

Posts a video about regi being the problem... Next day, post regi interview