The Miracle of Hacksaw Ridge | Jesse - (CA) | Talk Heathen 04.23

[@NeverTalkToCops1]

How prayer works. 1. With prayer, the common cold lasts about a week. 2. Without prayer, the common cold lasts about 7 days.

[@cade377]

Nicely done. :)

[@BudgetFilmmaking]

It's a fucking miracle!

[@christopherseton-smith7404]

You are either quite young (say under forty) or very very healthy. When this old theist catches a cold, it usually lasts between a fortnight or threeweeks; but then I'm not sure I involve the Almighty,and put more dependence on honey and hot lemon. I feel I can tell you this, just don't tell the born-again lot.

[@gunnerjaxen5651]

instaBlaster.

[@marcstilson3000]

spot on !!!

[@Frostyd241]

5:18 in " Ruby so you prayed and stopped feeling guilty" caller " I didn't just stop feeling guilty"..... "During prayer I instantaneously stop feeling guilty"....... So you did exactly what Rudy said.

[@BudgetFilmmaking]

Rudy: So you felt forgiven? Caller: It's not just that I felt forgiven, it's that I really felt forgiven. Me: HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT HE JUST SAID?!!!!

[@SolarisKane]

Rudy is female.

[@romankvapil9184]

Prayer is one of the most useless and laziest things a person can do. It's basically wishful thinking in asking for someone else to do something so they don't have to do anything to make it happen. It's basically "Let someone else do it. " mentality. It's just a meaningless, empty way to show you have compassion for someone. It's the "thoughts and prayers" for everything that doesn't go right.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

Right! Its like getting your mom to drive you around everywhere,while you have a car and a valid drivers license.....

[@masu485]

"Did that person forgive you?" "Um... that person's dead right now..."

[@BudgetFilmmaking]

Damn! So God is your hitman?! WTF dude?! Lol

[@fullTimeVeganinOhio]

@@BudgetFilmmaking lol I remember that caller. Was his name Jason?

[@BudgetFilmmaking]

@@fullTimeVeganinOhio That sounds right. I just remember this guy, like it was totally normal, talking about how bullies at school would either be his friend, or die in a horrible car accident. Lol yeah, seems normal.

[@justifano7046]

3:55 I was half expecting him to say: "uh...no, I killed them, so they didn't forgive me"

[@ganndeber1621]

He probably did

[@noreverse1152]

I can feel lighter and get rid of guilt by having alcohol, but only prayer will help me find my phone or my keys.

[@leyrua]

...is it because after you've been drinking your wife hides your keys? 😁

[@arjenbootsma6881]

Hacksaw Ridge: it's a tale of great bravery and perseverance, but none of the events are outside the natural order, so it's not a miracle.

[@powbobs]

But the hero is a Christian. One of those crazy 8th day Adventist’s. Therefore god. 😝

[@davids11131113]

Right, many other religious soldiers in WW2 were also praying all the time and got blown to pieces.

[@arjenbootsma6881]

@@davids11131113 A Xtian apologist would spin that as that the soldiers who got blown to pieces "were called home early by the Father".

[@sdaniels160]

So pray to end poverty and world hunger.

[@gid519]

I'm surprised Eric didn't bring up prayer vs Amputees lol

[@gid519]

@Terrence Bullock Idk why I never thought about it strongly before Eric mentioned it. It's a valid argument so I'm keeping that in my breast pocket for sure. =)

[@CrazyBeardedGamer]

I think it's horrifying that a person can wrong another person. Not make amends with that person. Not earn forgiveness from that person. Pray to god, and feel relief from his actions that hurt another person, without actually doing anything to make things better. And think he's actually doing a good thing. This is awful.

[@HugSeal42]

So asking for forgiveness from someone claimed to have final say in everything and thinking you got forgiven by that entity stops you from feeling guilty? What a surprise, thinking you are forgiven lessens the feeling of guilt.

[@CRSB00]

@Almighty Jesus shut up troll

[@CRSB00]

also, how very selfish, yeah god forgave me I don't need to feel guilty nor make amends to the person whom you actually hurt.

[@MrKit9]

@Almighty Jesus Don't you have some babies to slaughter? I hear the Amalekites are making a come back after the last genocide wrought by god.

[@HugSeal42]

@Almighty Jesus Let's say someone harmed an infant. Since everyone is born with sin then it's obvious the infant deserved it, right? Isn't it wonderful. An infant can get killed and the infant will go to hell because it deserves it while the murderer will go to heaven because they ask for forgiveness.

[@romankvapil9184]

It's stuff like that removes them of any sense of responsibility whenever they do something heinous. That kind of rational is what allows people do to heinous and atrocious acts.

[@acspicer]

He sure started tap dancing when they asked why he didn't pray for other people.

[@Mikey-dt5xi]

This was perfect. Exposed the flaw in his confident system immediately. Got to the root of his issue which is forgiveness from what he feels guilty for. And probably for a good reason.

[@romankvapil9184]

I find it more demeaning and insulting to basically ignore the fact that Desmond had the willpower, skills, and courage the guy had to go into a warzone to save many lives in battle without the use of a firearm and refusing to kill an enemy soldier by attributing to and giving credit to a deity that they had no justification to believe in.

[@ptuffgong8504]

Yes. This exactly. He was a hero and deserves ALL the credit.

[@blarglemantheskeptic]

Brave, sure. He was also *exceptionally lucky* because literally thousands of others have tried similar manoeuvres and they didn't get a movie because their "lottery ticket" wasn't a winner and they got a bullet instead. Have enough attempts at something *extremely unlikely* and it becomes *statistically likely* that it will happen. No miracles found in that statistical reality.

[@blarglemantheskeptic]

Example: how many people do you think you would need to put in a room for there to be a 50-50 chance that two of them would have the same birthday? 365/2=~182? . . . . . 23 is the answer. Just 23. With 70 people, is 99.9% Related question: same room, same set up, but how many are needed to get a 50-50 chance of the same birthday as YOU? A: 253. Almost impossible + repeated attempts ≠ a miracle

[@romankvapil9184]

I know it’s late. But yes, luck played a good part in this as well. It still doesn’t detract to what I said as well.

[@Bailer86]

I was very sick as a baby and for most of my childhood. My grandmother said she prayed for me to get well and I’m still here at 34. I have cousins who were stillborn. I’m almost certain she prayed for all her children and grandchildren. Either she didn’t pray, or god picked and choose who to help. I would lean towards the latter, but I don’t believe god exists so…

[@shallowfakes593]

rudy bee is sharp! but then at 8:30 eric smashes it out of the park! What a team!

[@blackyama]

OMG, you just suggested thank you god by tim minchin, now I love you more Eric!!!

[@URPndJs]

Sad that he doesn't care about his victims anymore. He just wants to preach.

[@Diviance]

@Almighty Jesus Ok. And should I point to the literal tens of thousands of Christians in prison who were Christian when they did something horrific?

[@Diviance]

@Almighty Jesus I don't disagree, Christian.

[@Diviance]

@Almighty Jesus Whatever you say, Christian.

[@richiejohnson]

@Almighty Jesus no that was me. I report your spam all the time

[@jdub3853]

@Almighty Jesus they deleted it because you're an idiot.

[@MagnaOmerta]

I prayed to Baal to give me the strength to do 100 air squats while I listened to this video and I did.

[@admrs6822]

This clip should just be named "Cordial Crosstalk"

[@nates9029]

This caller is freaking hilarious! He prayed to God for forgiveness and was forgiven but didn't ask the person he wronged for forgiveness and then felt better about himself and stopped feeling guilty and that is supposed to be confirmation of prayers being answered?! Yeah, no wonder he got upset when Eric asked how often God answers prayers and how his assertion that God answers prayers should be tested just like that. What a joke.

[@2ndPigeon]

Just shows how religions even poisons the act of forgiving...

[@leyrua]

Yeesh. Imagine saying to someone: _"I have forgiven myself for hurting you."_ "Uh, but you never apologize to *me."* _"I don't need to. I've forgiven myself."_

[@artimusbranesample9072]

- I found a way to get beyond the guilt so, I've been forgiven. + By the person you wronged? - No. But, it'll do and it totally got me over the guilt. CLEARLY the world doesn't want to receive all-encompassing peace and an end to all suffering. (fk my humanity) (His admissions came fast and furious, didn't they?!?)

[@URPndJs]

People like him who do horrible things often repent and seek forgiveness, unable to get it from their victims, they fall for religion arguments convincing them if they repent "from the heart", forgiveness will be granted. Historically religions have taken advantage of this natural urge to want to be better. Ex. St. Peter's Cathedral was built out of guilt.

[@CRSB00]

@Almighty Jesus shut up troll

[@MrKit9]

@Almighty Jesus As opposed to a troll with the mind of a dung beetle?

[@brucemadge8147]

@Almighty Jesus I wholeheartedly agree. He did something really terrible. A terrible, terrible thing. What an utter fool. And what did he do that was so terrible? He began to believe in the God fantasy like poor AJ here. What a terribly stupid thing to do!

[@brucemadge8147]

@Me Smith He ignores virtually everything except his own insane ideas. A first-class, deluded christian freak.

[@solly119119]

Eric's expression about the 2:30 mark when this nutjob starts talking about other entities besides the biblical god is absolutely priceless!

[@jerryrose6895]

Sometimes you need to focus on yourself and sometimes you have to put others first there can be healthy balance sometimes we benefit from the growth of our community country and neighboring nations.

[@angelsilva2331]

Prayers are like the first button of your shirt useless 🎵

[@OuryLN]

I don’t feel guilty after prayer, so god must have forgiven me.

[@The231447LucidDevTeam]

I had same feeling praying when I was a Christian but I realized it was all psychological

[@gregoryh9442]

THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS😂

[@crispyblack8779]

Holy shit! 2:42 and I already had to pause to laugh my ass off at this dude! I mean debunking prayer...for ALL OTHER RELIGIONS, just not MY RELIGION! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thought I was going to pee my pants!!

[@nicciswainhi]

I help people everyday.

[@calholyo]

Wonder how many times Jesse watched "Hacksaw Ridge", sounds like he's got a bit of a Desmond Doss infatuation?

[@shanesimpson3455]

The Japanese Imperial Army also contained Christians, who I would say would have been praying as well.

[@jason423234]

Some People think their personal experience proves all. Very simple minded way of thinking.

[@jason423234]

@Almighty Jesus yeah but you are assuming God exists and sin is a concept we should care about. God can't hate anyone because he/she/it is fictional.

[@kimsland999]

@Almighty Jesus I suppose there could have been a claimed Jesus who demands: Love me and believe in my words unconditionally else BURN. But its just such coincidence how Middle Eastern men 2000 years ago gave the same demands to their wives? Uncanny really. Thankfully we know such demands are MONSTROUS now. As you surely agree too right?

[@kimsland999]

@@redeemedone8553 What happens to natural gays in your heaven? Do they mingle with all the men? What about all the other religious believers, in Islam and Jewish and Hindus and all the rest? They probably won't want to praise your Jesus huh? So what happens to those innocent children? Are you sure your God is not a monster?

[@kimsland999]

@@redeemedone8553 Well they would be happy to be seperate from the Christian God obviously. So what is to happen to these: Atheists All other religions of the world Gays and any other gender types People who didn't praise the Jesus sins God People who did Jesus sin but clearly didn't believe it was a Jesus sin at the time. Claimed agnostics who also say they don't believe in any claimed God. Spiritual inclined people (gypsies claimed witches claivoyants etc etc). Scientists who claim they didn't even think about beliefs in Gods. All Christians who are not of your dogma (blacks praising a black Jesus; Creationists; people who praise Mary; people who praise the trinity; mormons; all other sects etc etc) What happens to all these 99.9% of the world population except your particular Christian doctrine? Where do they go? I'm also concerned about Christian women who re marry after their Christian husband dies. What if the woman finds a greater love? Does the original husband then miss out? All the time he was waiting and she ends up having a greater love with some other Christian. She may not want to even see her ex again as she worked out he was actually not right for her after all. What happens to all the divorced Christians who follow their Jesus but hate their ex's? What happens to all the children of christian parents who worked out their parents beliefs weren't justified? Does a raped Christian girl (or boy) meet up with their Christian repented abuser after death? That would be difficult. Are you sure you know what happens here? I think even the Christian God is going to be stressed out over all of this.

[@kimsland999]

@@redeemedone8553 You just said they won't be with your God. But I asked where do they all go in that case? Where is your God not allowed? Or where is the place that your God isn't there? Obviously there are a LOT of people in this place, and all of them in a place where your God isn't? It must be huge?

[@tedgrant2]

Prayer sometimes works. A good example is First Samuel 7:9 "Samuel took a suckling lamb and offered it for a burnt offering wooly unto the LORD and Samuel cried unto the LORD for Israel and the LORD heard him and as Samuel was offering up the burnt offering, the Philistines drew near to battle against Israel but the LORD thundered with a great thunder on that day against the nasty Philistines and made them uncomfortable and they were spat upon before Israel".

[@tedgrant2]

@Dave Bronner It means that prayer sometimes works !

[@Gwaithmir]

That's nothing but a piece of pious fiction. The Bible is a book of mythology.

[@tedgrant2]

@@Gwaithmir But what about the archaeological evidence ?

[@Gwaithmir]

@@tedgrant2 Archaeological evidence? Citations needed.

[@tedgrant2]

@@Gwaithmir Ancient buildings in the middle East are everywhere to be seen.

[@arthousefilms]

Hacksaw Ridge. Yeah, that miracle was so impressive that's all we talk about on the news and in colleges because it proves the god character is real. Yeah... mmmkay.

[@romankvapil9184]

It's also insulting to the other soldiers that were more than likely Christians and theists to other religions that ended up dying in battle as well. It's like that analogy where a massive tidal wave it the shores and devestated all the homes and lives. But only one managed to go unscathed because it happened to have a cross on it and proceed to talk about what a miracle that is and ignore the wasteland around it.

[@gazza595]

@@romankvapil9184 Well gawd is very selective about whose prayers are answered. All those millions of other people praying yet dying horribly in wars, accidents and due to illness are not saying the right prayers to the right gawd. The delusions are incredible.

[@cade377]

It amazes me that people think God, who is all-powerful, can seemingly only work on such a tiny level. Like logistically, God has limitations, so, let's help Bob in Plano, TX.... Bob has a headache.

[@christiananderson4909]

Revolting. Instead of actually putting in the work to *earn* forgiveness, in other words, to ask for it from the person you hurt, just pray to make *yourself* feel better. . . I *despise* people like that.

[@janwelcastro250]

An unexplainable miracle happens. Atheist: "I'm sure there's an explanation somewhere." A wired phenomena happens. Theist: "It's a miracle!" See, points of view matter. Just get along people.

[@fmn2628]

I prayed today to have a divine sign. Since something happened that I interpreted as that sign, therefore god. WTF

[@Alltime2050]

For every prayer answered a billion goes ignored.

[@Stupha_Kinpendous]

Wow. I robbed a stranger. Stole all his burritos. Went home, prayed, and had diarrhea. But I got better! I was forgiven!

[@Argeaux2]

Let the guy talk about Hacksaw Ridge.

[@kimsland999]

I'd recommend not to pray for kids in hospital. As the Templeton Association found that the ones being prayed for had a higher rate of death than the ones that weren't prayed for. (studies showed the ones being prayed for gave up and left it for their God to heal them). To give kids or anyone a fighting chance in hospitals, do not pray for them.

[@romankvapil9184]

Wow, that sounds very probable. If you happen to have the link for that, I'd love to see that. Kinda puts a huge dent on the whole power of prayer bit, huh?

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

The caller did a terrible thing to a person and it made him feel guilty. Then he asked god for forgiveness & now he doesn’t feel guilty at all. Damn, us atheists would actually have to do the work of having to make up for the damage we’ve done.

[@urbanmommy4802]

I miss Matt on this call! lots of missed opportunities to ask the right questions

[@NoahofWill]

I got the feeling that, in edition to being incredibly selfish (trying to pray the guilt away rather than stew in it and reflect, maybe use it to improve himself, and using the fact that *other* people won't pray for others so why should he?), he's also very into hearing himself talk. Especially how given Eric and Rudy tried to cut in several times to talk about things and he didn't even pause.

[@fredodonnell3323]

Imagine a scenario where a doctor can go out into a village full of sick people and heal them all, but instead sits with shoulders crossed and waits till they come over to him and ask for help. Hmmm

[@badatheist9948]

Considering 12000 Americans died at hacksaw ridge, I would not call it a miracle. But I bet this caller saw mel Gibson’s religious slant on the battle there. And his prayer was him forgiving himself, which does the give the person he hurt any solace. Completely immoral and selfish.

[@shanesimpson3455]

Also many Japaneses were also Christian.

[@calditos333]

I couldn’t ask for forgiveness … I’ve restriction order.

[@DiMadHatter]

Fellow people, lets stop engaging with the trolls: Chris Massey/King Solomon NeverEnding Party/MindCreatedAll Elmer Cook NRJ Almighty Jesus Barthelemy [X] Has A God Ray Salmon and all the other dishonest trolls that cannot be reasoned with. Replying to them is what they want, lets not give them that pleasure. Just downvote their nonsense to get their comments down at the end, report the hell out of them, and make this place less appealing to those nuisances.

[@EvieDoesYouTube]

The list is a lot longer than that.

[@richardyoung4400]

The Risen Christ dominates this whole entire planet...

[@EvieDoesYouTube]

@@richardyoung4400 Says you

[@MrKit9]

Really glad I didn't make the list as I can be just a tiny bit vulgar, abrasive and rude!

[@MrKit9]

@@richardyoung4400 The Risen Christ goes in the 350 degree oven for about 30 minutes till brown.

[@CShivery]

I'm guessing that it was an especially egregious thing that he did, like molest a kid or something. Likely it's a felony that really hurt someone.

[@MrKit9]

I'm thinking he ate an Oreo without separating it or dunking it in milk.

[@brucemadge8147]

He probably just told a fib to his mum or stole a dollar from his grandma and his God indoctrination has terrified him into believing he's going to hell because he sinned. Sad.

[@brucemadge8147]

@@MrKit9 That makes God mad!

[@MrKit9]

@@brucemadge8147 god swallows.

[@CShivery]

@AtheiHumanist it reminds me of some of the stuff I'd heard in my church when I was in high school. A 45-year old youth group leader molested a teenage girl and after getting caught, he wouldn't shut up about God's forgiveness, and that he spoke to God and yadda, yadda, yadda, God said it's okay. Nevermind that he essentially ruined the girl's life. How he acted, and how the congregation reacted, were my cue that it was all bullshit and I walked away, first from the United Methodist Church, then religion altogether. He never asked her forgiveness, the church never considered her feelings, only that God forgave him. So yes, it is projection on my part. I've realized that the ones who sit in the front row at church and thump their bibles the loudest are the ones with something sinister to hide.

[@krisaaron5771]

Just googled Hacksaw Ridge -- it's a Mel Gibson movie about WWII and Seventh Day Adventists. Hoo boy, Jesse has found Jesus via Mel. Why do people think anyone but the person they harmed has the power to forgive them? If I didn't harm you, you can't forgive me and have it mean a damn thing. If someone harms me, nobody else has the right to forgive that person but ME! So get out of here with your meaningless forgiveness, Jesse. If you earned that guilt, own it. God isn't going to give you a free ride, no matter how drunk you are on the idea. You hurt someone. Live with it, die with it, or do what you can to make up the damage you did to that person. Maybe Miracle Mel will forgive you.

[@meterojinn]

You serious... it's a true story in which Mel Gibson made a movie, he admitted omitting certain events because it would have been even more miraculous. -Soldier walks into battle without a gun. -saves more the 75 people within the day - saves his own/enemy soldiers - constant prayer while in war with his Bible in hand. - sent soldiers back into the heat of war just to retrieve his BIble - Japanese soldiers even admitted there guns getting jammed when trying to snipe Desmond Doss...all without firing a bullet, This is just the tip of the iceberg....

[@grantwing4942]

What's the miracle? Many thousands died in pain and fear during that battle. How many of those were praying to their gods?

[@krisaaron5771]

@@meterojinn Mel Gibson also used the biblical crucifixion to make homoerotic sadistic pornography. I have difficulty trusting Mel Gibson's pious intentions. The fact that a pacifist, religious medic saved many soldiers' lives on Hacksaw Ridge doesn't say any more about the existence of a deity than the Hiroshima bombing that killed hundreds of thousands of non-combatants, including infants and children.

[@desertsand8778]

@John Wood Don't you think it's amazing that he was able to save 75 lives behind enemy line.

[@desertsand8778]

@John Wood How about a friend who was healed from cancer

[@TheChancellor212]

What kind of god would forgive somebody who wronged another human being but hadn’t sought forgiveness from that person first?

[@redmed10]

If he had a heavy feeling in the pit of his stomach and it went - that sounds like gas.

[@cyansloth1763]

BRO. When I was an Orthodox Jew I had learned I was SUPPOSED to pray for others first especially if they had similar woes etc. Because it was considered god was less likely to listen if you were praying for yourself. Which is hilarious coming from a deity characterized as jealous and narcissistic.

[@arthousefilms]

Rudy is super incisive!!!

[@arthousefilms]

@Almighty Jesus "Rubbish" only because your god character's prayer is proven useless.

[@gid519]

@Almighty Jesus You're fake news. 😂😂

[@nickokona6849]

Everything about this call stinks of "I talked myself out of feeling guilty for the wrong I committed". Which ok... You're training yourself into becoming a sociopath as far as I'm concerned. Your feeling of guilt is specifically a reaction to knowing you did wrong, and to compel you to make amends. Talking yourself out of that feeling only makes it easier for you to wrong others in the future and not feel guilty about it. That's fucked in the head thinking as far as I'm concerned.

[@maximusreed9270]

I want Rudy's headphones!

[@levierickson7321]

Maximus Reed I think they are Corsair

[@jerryrose6895]

Do you notice there allot of people who are pressured by guilt into doing things they otherwise would not do?

[@davids11131113]

Both sides in a war have people praying, lots of people both sides die and only 1 side ends up winning so at best prayer in war is just a coin flip. Besides, Bible god himself lots in battle because his opponents had impermeable iron chariots.

[@dobrien51]

Why didn't he ask god to put him in touch with the person he wronged?

[@jstnsmutek]

I watch football and just because I wear a certain pair of socks doesn't mean it's a lucky pair of socks

[@sallyhines7527]

So Jesse saw the movie Hacksaw Ridge and saw it as a miracle? Did Jesse forget the rest of World War 2? Does He not get that 75 million people died during that war? Does he understand that about 20 million civilians died as a result of starvation, disease, massacres, bombings, and genocide? Yes Desmond Doss did help save over 70 wounded soldiers and is definitely a hero , however , about 2,500 American soldiers and a similar amount of Japanese soldiers died on that ridge. Jesse should think about how many of those 75 million who lost their lives prayed. To invoke Hacksaw Ridge as some sort of evidence that prayer works is quite stupid.

[@desertsand8778]

If everyone was like Desmond Doss, we wouldn't have a lot of these issues you listed. So considering Doss's belief in God gave him the conviction to be who he was then maybe discouraging any faith might be counter productive

[@sallyhines7527]

@@desertsand8778 Unfortunately, not every person of faith is like Doss. Many use their faith to discriminate against, to commit murder, to slow down progress, etc. On the other hand, there are plenty of people who are like Doss but lack the belief in a god and yet do have the conviction to be good people.

[@alanrosenthal6323]

I'll bet after Tony soprano finished wracking somebody he felt better 5 minutes later. I guess that proves God.

[@kittymonroe7572]

I don't understand why you give these people the time of day?

[@dannyspitzer1267]

Caller lacks critical thinking. I'm being nice for a change

[@brucemadge8147]

@Almighty Jesus Do you mean the critical thinking to believe in the God fantasy? Is that what you mean? And if I start to believe in Jesus, will my critical thinking skills improve? Could I then believe that Harry Potter is also real? And Cinderella? Wow, that would be cool because I'd like to meet Harry. He sounds awesome. If I get the chance to meet him, I'll let you know and we can meet him together. Would you like that AJ? We could take a picture and put it on Facebook. Perhaps Jesus would also like to meet Harry. Shall we ask him?

[@CRSB00]

@Almighty Jesus you might be on to something, starting from the part that "israelittes" don't believe that Jesus is their Messiah, in fact they still waiting for him, the other half is just projection on your part, troll

[@itsok6640]

So hacksaw Ridge is a movie.......

[@oliverdash2585]

If a person does all manner of evil and pray he/she is not caught and is never found can we say God is real. This example should show us the character of God.

[@fullTimeVeganinOhio]

My anxiety melts away for a couple days after sex. I don't pray before so.....

[@forest6635]

I could use this guys logic to say we can't mesure gravity it isn't phsical

[@karlrschneider]

Eric: When you get goofballs like this, ask them why the clear unambiguous promise of Jesus in Matt. 18:19 has never worked.

[@leyrua]

I actually saw an apologetics video on this. Apparently that verse is _metaphorical_ now... as they all end up getting retconned into being. They explained it as referring to when the leaders of countries come to an agreement or bargain on something. So, basically, God just watches two humans suss out how to get along, and then claims credit for whatever they accomplish by learning to cooperate with one another.

[@phillipseifert694]

Glad that knot in his stomach is gone after his imaginary friend forgave him At least he doesn’t have to worry about the person he shit on anymore

[@MGC-XIII]

He's arguing for something he cannot demonstrate nor can you demonstrate it is not the case. This is where the flying spaghetti comes in, it's an example of how lame the reasoning is that something is true even if you cannot prove it is. He's basically saying placebo works because you want it to work, the difference is we know placebo is fake.

[@callmeflexplays]

This guy's world sounds real small, just about him and himself. Sad. Go use your prayer to help those in need if it really works.

[@The231447LucidDevTeam]

Another entity as in what? An angel or demon? So demons and/or angels are answering prayers for non-christians?

[@basicmountaingriff]

"what if a non-christian has a prayer answered" "you have to understand it's not just god, there are other entities" so...... sometimes satan successfully answers prayers?? sounds like we should start asking if all the non-biblical catholic stuff about hell is completely false and if maybe the gnostics were right about the bible being a smear campaign against satan

[@smequals]

Jesse, if you can’t talk about prayer in a general sense - how it works, what evidence there is that it works, if your God actually does answer some prayers and not others, what priorities your God has in answering prayers, etc, then it does no good to talk specific situations. Hacksaw Ridge is a great story and a true event, but only for what actually took place. There is no evidence that any prayers were answered that day, especially for all the people who died.

[@MGC-XIII]

Other entities? Other gods? I mean it's mentioned in the bible that there are other gods, but the Abrahamic god just wants you to worship it. If we stay within the Christian faith, wouldn't it make more sense that the bible was created by the devil? So the god of the bible is actually the devil (devil isn't mentioned in the old testament at all btw) and is converting people away from the actual good god/gods? Think about it, it makes so much sense.

[@leyrua]

I've been pointing this out for years, but then people just look at ME like I've sprouted horns. No, no, everything ELSE is an elaborate, superbly detailed, internally-consistent lie planted by Satan, and the Bible is telling the truth. Uh huh.

[@Nivola1953]

i’ll like to see a scientific reviewed paper that shows a statistically significant increase in cases of cancers remissions in some religious community. If this correlation can be shown, than we will have 1) a good reason to study the causation of these remission (how does it happen) 2) very important, we will know christian religions sect is praying to the right God! Because there is only one right, so everyone else must be self deluded right!?

[@faekaloderbondageclown7789]

So Jesse forgave himself, noticed that that'd just be selfish and arrogant and decided to put the tag 'god' on him not caring anymore about what he did.

[@reyramirez5710]

Jesse doesn’t realize his god only grants 1 wish...or none😇

[@AussieNaturalist]

Jesse..... FACEPALM! First off, if you haven't already demonstrated that that "God" actually exists, you cant logically attribute anything to it. Secondly, the use of fallacies as the foundation of your argument does not make those arguments stronger, in fact, it makes it invalid. Sorry Jesse, but your claims are no more or less 'valid' than that of any other theist throughout time, they're totally unjustified.

[@AussieNaturalist]

@Almighty Jesus, LMAO... Sorry to burst your bubble, but your comment makes YOU look foolish. I was raised Christian, I went to Christian schools my whole life and did my senior thesis on the historicity and canonization of the Bible, which was actually the proverbial straw that broke my theistic beliefs, from which I became atheist.

[@AussieNaturalist]

@Almighty Jesus, The difference between you and I, apart from you sounding like and angry, resentful, hateful and spiteful person, while I'm not, is that as a child I was ignorant of the tools needed to differentiate fact from fiction and was indoctrinated to accept fiction as fact, but as I grew older I and gained the tools needed and the knowledge and understanding to comprehend the fact that all religious scriptures are unjustified stories, whereas you on the other hand, went from being justified in disbelief in your younger years to accepting an unjustified and unjustifiable set of beliefs when you are obviously old enough to utilize the tools available. So, who's the "fool"... ;) Oh, and I'm not sure what you're on about with the OT, I was very well versed on the whole Bible by the time I had finished year 6, and while I didn't like it, I was conditioned to accept it as "Gods will". I'm sorry to say, but both your comments only serve to make you look like an angry fool, if I were you I would stop commenting.

[@MrKit9]

@Almighty Jesus STFU you worthless pig.

[@ari1234a]

Hear hear prayer works, just not to amputees.

[@ari1234a]

@Almighty Jesus Hear hear, Amputees don`t get their prayers answered.

[@ari1234a]

@Almighty Jesus Hear hear, prayer do not work for people who had their limbs removed for a reason, like amputees.

[@MrKit9]

@Almighty Jesus Then why hasn't god removed your typing fingers and tongue. You alone prove that if there is a god he has really bad taste in followers.

[@MrKit9]

@John Wood I'm requesting Hell when the Concierge for Death takes my order. That holier than thou shit drives me to drink.

[@leyrua]

@@MrKit9 Don't worry, we have most of the scientists down here, so we have air conditioning and Wi-Fi. 🤘 Up there, they have to _pray_ for the temperature to change, and the Big Guy is the only one who gets to touch the thermostat. And you can forget about Wi-Fi in heaven. The sheer quantity of _porn_ on the internet means it's banned beyond the Pearly Gates.

[@OuryLN]

This is the most insidious byproduct of religion, you only need to pray to god to absolve you of something you did without repentance and assuming the assuaged guilt is god’s foregiveness.

[@avalonrainstryder2005]

If he if gonna tell us about that medic from hacksaw ridge, that he was always praying and that he was a devoted christian, that he survived and he saved alot of other soldiers lives, isnt that taking all the effort he made and just giving it to god? I mean, the guy chose to stay, stayed up all day and all night trying to find soldiers to carry back and get to a triage, so all he did was cause of god and not himself? I dnt think thats entirely the case.

[@VulcanLogic]

I love Rudy's eyebrows and I'm very jealous of them because mine are not as good. You might say I covet my neighbor's eyebrows. Someone hand me a penitential of St. Benedict so that I might fully understand the acts of contrition necessary to cleanse this sin of covetousness. Wait, wait, could someone first explain to me why this is a sin in the first place? Did I make God angry by not being satisfied with the eyebrows he gave me? What if I had really thin eyebrows and everyone made fun of me for it? What if I cry myself to sleep at night? If I apply makeup, is that enough to make God angry, or do I need to have a leg hair to eyebrow transplant before I incur His holy wrath? Thanks for any help you can give because I ask god and he doesn't actually reply, thanks.

[@joels5150]

Jesse wanted forgiveness for his wrongdoing, but he couldn’t get it from his ‘victim’, so he decided to become religious and get forgiveness from God. Amazingly, Jesse decided that God did indeed forgive him, so he felt better about himself. Isn’t that just a wonderful story that anyone could tell themselves to never have to feel bad about any of the bad things they have done and continue to do to others?? Hmmmm… Jesse is also a terrible Christian if he thinks no one should pray for others only themselves. What an incredibly selfish outlook to have.

[@DANISEVIL]

Typical Christ dude I did something wrong against a person but I didn't want to really make amends with that person so I talked to myself and now now I don't feel bad

[@marcimarce1207]

His mouth breathing was making me cringe so bad ugh

[@fredodonnell3323]

This is a disgusting idea, ignores all the millions of people who pray for the lives of themselves or family members and they don't get answered. Let's chalk it off to God being selective or working in mysterious ways

[@ralfhaggstrom]

HORRIBLE CONCEPT, you do not need forgiveness from your victim, if you think some "magic sky-daddy forgives you". Absolutely Horrible idea ! ! !

[@angelsilva2331]

The same prayed Kenneth Copeland ..the great deceiver ..

[@lincthomas7178]

no, it wasnt a miracle, it was just pure blind luck

[@1985snowball]

I have a crush on both these presenters right now. Sorry

[@CRSB00]

@Almighty Jesus shut up troll

[@tomo8324]

@Almighty Jesus said a guy who worship imaginary friend

[@Lambert1386]

Jesse sounds like he's just seething. These people are horrible representatives of their supposed faith. Want to meet a nut? Go to church.