Why Modern Day Feminism Will Ruin Our Future Generations | Birgit Kelle EP 27

This episode was recorded on June 2nd, 2023.
Birgit Kelle, a German journalist and author born in Romania, is a prominent voice on feminism, gender, and motherhood. She has authored best-selling books like "Dann mach doch die Bluse zu," "Gendergaga," "Muttertier," "Noch Normal? - Das lässt sich gendern!," and "CAMINO." As a member of the Christian Democratic Party (CDU) in Germany, Birgit is frequently invited to share her expertise on panels and parliamentary committees. She is also the president of the women's nonprofit organization "Frau 2000plus e.V.," advocating for a new feminism that embraces motherhood and respects the dignity of life. Despite being a target of criticism from the LGBT lobby, Birgit considers it a badge of honor.
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- Chapters -
0:00 Coming Up
0:41 Introduction
7:06 How did Birgit get started?
11:47 The topic of gender in German politics
14:11 Women’s self defense
20:29 Don’t look like a victim
25:20 Feminism won’t keep you safe
26:22 German Education
32:34 Fatherhood and the impact on our youth
39:36 Women in the labor market
43:00 How modern technology effects the women of today
47:29 Who should be teaching our kids good moral behavior?
54:10 Spend time with your family!
58:29 When does a mother get to go to work?
01:36:35 How should mothers teach language?
01:13:20 Feminism is shrinking our population

[@sherigraham3873]

The tiny window of opportunity a mother has, to care for her babies is priceless. Day care workers do not love your child. You do. No one has fought for the children for many years. No wonder our society is lost and sick. Feminism is lies.

[@mary-elizabeth]

I agree! This is also another reason I am homeschooling my three sons. In this anti man culture I will not sacrifice them to a system that doesn't care one wit for them.

[@sherigraham3873]

@@mary-elizabeth You are so wise! If my children were young in this day, I too would homeschool. I have such disdain for how young men and older men have been treated for 30 years. Just awful 😞.

[@Eviepossible]

I work in childcare and am also a mother of a 5 year old. I was a daycare teacher before having my son, I was a stay at home mom, and now am a teacher at his preschool. I can say that perhaps not all, but most childcare workers do love the children in their care. They cannot replace the child's mother, but we have many stay at home moms who still send their children to us each day because they need their own time and their children have much to learn from us. Childcare need not be pitted against mothers, working or not, and I don't find that 'us vs. Them' mentality particularly helpful. Just my opinion and experience.

[@6reynoldsgajsjk]

@ Eviepossible-I think there is a big difference between a 2 plus year old who spends 4- 5 hours a day in a play school vs. an infant and vs. a toddler/preschooler who is dropped there before 8 am and picked up after 5. The daycare centers who watch children 8-9 hours/day and have max ratio numbers are surviving and that’s it.

[@NightinGal89]

Then why tf don't governments pay for motherhood? It's a full-time job.

[@xhaltsalute]

I was born in 1955 raised by a Mother that never wanted to be a housewife, although she was very successful at it. I hated the concepts of men owning me. Hated it. Hated the Christian teachings of a womans role. My history was that were we a family of suffragettes. I grew up knowing I could be anything. I bought it hook line and sinker. I was off work for only 6 weeks. My babies went to caregivers, then to preschool, school and after care. Luckily as an RN I didn't have to work 5 days a week, but while I was successful "housekeeper" my profession and my passion, horses, were how I defined myself. Wife, Mother, Housekeeper were not my priority, except when my children were babies. I was sold a bill of goods. I see it in my children. It saddens me. To see how the world has changed, has taken me back to my Christian roots. I am forgiving myself, slowly.

[@Bienave]

Thank you for the vulnerability and sharing this

[@pattyhall7162]

Yes this is good to forgive yourself, we all do things that later we realize that we have to forgive ourselves and go on and do what is right

[@greendream246]

How about some balance? Sorry is black or white . Maybe husband no help?

[@edinburghlady2327]

Life is a learning journey for everyone. I was sold on the benefits (with no downsides) of pharmaceuticals & vaccines (I thought every company had more compassion for others than they had ambition for profits), but having seen the effects first hand I’ve changed my mind. Don’t be hard on yourself, you are truthful and honest in your efforts to make things better for the next generation ❤️

[@ewitherell7205]

I understand that so well. Thank you for sharing your story. 😢 my own experience is similar.

[@nancybaumgartner6774]

My daughter was born in 1991, and before her birth, I was angry at the idea of staying home and raising a child. I finished my master’s and had it all planned: I would not let having a child hinder my ambitions- then she was born😊. I could think of nothing else - all of my other lofty ideas melted away. So glad I worked my career around her , and it was as if I didn’t work at all! Best decision I ever made .

[@StimParavane]

I'm sick of these arrogant modern women with their selfish ambitions which are actually just pure mediocrity.

[@kimobrien.]

You had only one as that is not enough to replunish the population?

[@nancybaumgartner6774]

@@kimobrien. replenishing the population is not why one has children. Having said that, I have had many children over the years. It’s a long, happy story. I still have many kids for the joy of it. Populating the earth is God’s business, not mine.

[@kimobrien.]

@@nancybaumgartner6774 "So glad I worked my career around her" So like Birgit you solved your problems by marrying into the BOSS Class?

[@nancybaumgartner6774]

@@kimobrien. “Boss class”? Since you are young and English is not your first language- I will be gentle and clear: I left a violent home when I was 14 years old. I did farm work and was provided with living accommodations in exchange for work. I met my husband when he was 16 and I was 14 because we worked on the same farm. He became a heating and cooling contractor and I went on to college and grad school with his support. To this day he installs and repairs furnaces and air conditioning units. He works long days and endures conditions snotty little worms like you cannot conceive of. I work with kids because I want to be the person I needed as a teenager . We made choices to work hard and prioritize things that matter. That is a worldview and lifestyle you cannot conceive of because you are spoiled, presumptuous, and arrogant.

[@Tamar-sz8ox]

As people , we go to extremes . I was career driven because I grew up lower working class . It’s not always about being an “ angry feminist “ it’s just common sense to get educated , and get skills so you can sustain 💰yourself and those around you . ( I’m married , a wife , a mother and a professional )

[@elizabethvarghese5511]

I appreciate you. Fundamentalists won't.

[@lorrilewis2178]

I understand you. It feels a bit smug when SAHMs seem oblivious to the reality that a large percentage of mothers are not able to stop working.

[@TammyPetersonPodcast]

Maybe there needs to be more explanation. In our society we have collectively set up the necessity for both mother and father to work outside of the home. I stayed home for a few years. My husband had 2 jobs. We had no extra money for magazines or dinner in restaurants. I took care of other children in my home. We negotiated our relationship.

[@lorrilewis2178]

@@TammyPetersonPodcast Yes, there does need to be more discussion. Thank you for your answer. I really appreciate it.

[@elizabethvarghese5511]

@@TammyPetersonPodcast Probably, with both working outside, both husband and wife, should take responsibility over the house hold chores . Children, if they are a little grown up, should also share some work. Let there be no gender stereotyping regarding work. Many women find life difficult if they are economically dependant on their husbands. Many women pursue their passion through their jobs.

[@KnitMyWayHome]

Thank you for this conversation. I agree totally and I have raised my own family this way. My children are teenagers now. When they were little, it was a fight with my extended family, who told me I needed to put them down, get them out of sharing the nursery room that they shared and teach them independence. I am happy to say, all of my children are very independent, but they are very close and love one another and like to spend time together. And now people ask me, “How do you get your teenagers to talk to you? How do you get them to laugh with you?” And the only answer I have is to say that I have given them my time and my attention. We talk because we are genuinely interested in what each other has to say and we laugh because we have a relationship of understanding and sharing. Now they are teenagers, almost every day they say to me, “Whatever is easiest for you, Mummy. We want to do what is easier for you.” Of course, I do not always tell them what would be easier for me, but what is best for them. But, you know, they make so many good choices that often what is best is also quite easy. It wasn’t always this way, this is the result of work and experience growing together. Thank you for sharing your conversation with us. It warms my heart to listen to you chat together! Vielen Dank!

[@nataliek5134]

This is the kind of relationship I strive for with my young children! I really admire what youve built with your family. I always try to visualize my girls' teen years, adulthood and what I can do now to make sure the bond stays strong throughout life's challenges. I struggled throughout my teen years and early adulthood and made all the wrong choices. I had no relationship with either parent. All I want for my kids is for them to choose more wisely than I did.

[@TammyPetersonPodcast]

Thank you for your comment

[@kathynunez2318]

I was met with the same nonsense when my girls were little. So blessed to say we all enjoy our time together, and trust each other.

[@chdao]

My wife and I are stay-home parents. I cannot imagine giving our children to someone else, even family. We plan to homeschool when they are old enough, but the truth is that they start learning from day one.

[@mzmoth]

My dad was kept out of my life and I had no males at all to learn play from. I was so unfamiliar with men I had selective mutism around almost all of them (I now realise!) I was definitely particularly poor at physical play. I got pregnant at 16 as soon as i fell for an (older) man who I'm still with, so my daughter has had a father throughout her life, and he was very involved and played with her constantly. There's no doubt in my mind about fathers teaching physical skills to kids. My daughter is very outdoorsy, very fit, agile & incredibly fast... I became super health conscious after having her too and didn't make too many mistakes in that area (avoided sugar and carbs, didn't worry about fat or salt) but that's always been something I noticed as being soo different to me. She still is very fit and playful now at 18. Now I know it was due to her dad.

[@jeremyphoenix1366]

So unusual to here any woman appreciate her husband and ability to father. I'm sure you must be a wonderful motber and your family is very blessed. Thank you.

[@mzmoth]

@@jeremyphoenix1366 thank you. He's always been a good father & i know my daughter loves him very much. We certainly are blessed to have him.

[@papapigeon7589]

I have also noticed that over the years as people are loosening the mores on sexual activity it is killing the unseen realm of spiritual beauty and purity in females that men find really attractive. It has replaced them with sexual attraction first, which is secondary over the long-term lifelong commitment of marriage and family. This has also affected men and has degraded the ability to display chivalry, courtship, and delayed gratification and a noble spirit. We support the physical tangible behaviors as "love" and deny and degrade the existence of the intangible fruits of real "love".

[@henningrucks4793]

The question " Why is your life worth saving really got me thinking. The answer that came to me is: because I'm my daddy's daughter. He worked so hard for us ( eight kids) all his life and started out from such a disadvantaged point himself, forced to leave school and start learning a trade at 11 when his own father died. I want him to know he did right by us. He's long dead but I feel it matters to honour him, to live a good life, cos he sacrificed a lot for us.

[@margaretsmith7712]

What a faithful,greatful daughter..Amen..

[@mary-elizabeth]

Thank you Mrs. Peterson for having these great guests on! I have learned so much and am bolstered to continue on with my full time job as a homemaker and mother. I have gotten so weary of doing good at times and these podcasts, along with reading the Bible have continued to help me be a better mother and wife. In one podcast you mentioned the importance of taking care of our future selves that was deeply impactful. Thank you for your good work. I look forward to every podcast!

[@TammyPetersonPodcast]

Thank you for your thoughtful comment

[@farhanathar2256]

May Allah bless you

[@calishabennett]

This was a wonderful and enlightening conversation, thank you to you both. As a Muslim woman and mother of 5 children, I chose to homeschool and raise my children for the most part where they went to school later in their years and I now work part time to help provide for our household. I wouldn't trade those years for anything and wish I didn't have to work so I could be at home more. Women and especially young women need to be reminded of the beauty and glory in being a mother and how nourishing and enriching the early years are to the lives of both your children and yourself.

[@alexanderjohns3392]

Jordan can defend proper Patriarchy, Tammy can grow the Matriarchy, and Mikaila can make the generational shift. I believe this. Very proud of your family for holding a torch.

[@oambitiousone7100]

This woman’s story sounds similar to Mary Harrington‘s, and is similar to mine. I had my kids and was contemplating graduate school, and while reading Leo Tolstoys “the death of Ivan Ilich” it occurred to me that I was trying to run toward a career and that would make me abandon my family. And the novel asks why we live for others expectations. I realized I could always pursue some thing else once my kids were grown. I did not go to graduate school but raised my kids while working part time and having my husband’s help with watching them, and we even homeschooled for a time. It was absolutely the best job I’ve ever had and I wouldn’t take back a second of it. I’m in my late 40s and can do whatever.

[@adeleswecera4787]

Thank you for having this conversation ,Tammy. After I had my first child I wanted to be a stay at home mum. My husband did not want this. He wanted me to continue to work- so I did. My husband was raised by a single feminist mother. He looks down on women who want to stay home and raise their own children. It is perceived as lazy to my husband and his mother. Even though I worked part time and full time when my kids were young I prioritized my children, family and home and my husband has had a lot of anger towards me and resented that I did not put my career first and focus on making more money- even though we have done quite well financially and we would be considered upper middle class. This feminist movement is affecting both men and women. If both husband and wife are focusing on career and money who is focusing on the children and family and home? Why is society focusing so much on money? Life is so rushed and stressful trying to manage everything is draining. It has made my life very difficult and I have been ill from all the stress. I am wondering how many men have the view of my husband and would prefer women to work or how many men would prefer women to focus on their children, family and home? It already seems that most women are focused on their careers and not as much on raising their children. It is not possible to put both career and raising children first because you can only focus on one thing at a time. Children require a great deal of quality time and focus and deservedly so.

[@carolyna.869]

This is why I never married. I was raised in a feminist family under surrogate care by housekeepers. Work was the end all and be all for my parents. I refused to ever do that to children and would find out right away what a man's thoughts were on these things when dating him. Most men in NYC want women to not only be 100% "career" and money focused but some kind of a super star in a profession. It's absolutely bizarre. It's like they are looking for husbands. I always joke that a New York man's pick up line is "I'll raise the kids!" The reality is-- they just don't want to work. They like the non-binary dynamics that feminism established and even the most politically conservative men refuse to listen to the research on what is best for the children. What is important to them is mostly status and money like your husband.

[@ericferre]

Wow, amazing testimony

[@sarahwooten4528]

Tammy… your videos and this channel have become my favorite. The topics you are covering are so important. As a woman who fell victim to this feminism earlier in her life and who as a mother found the Lord and was able to overcome the lies spread by this world I cannot express to you how thankful I am for women like you who have a platform to spread this information to other women. Thank you for all that you’re doing.

[@TammyPetersonPodcast]

Thank you for your thoughtful encouraging comment

[@alaalfa8839]

Professor Sam Vaknin about Social dilemma in 2018 said: If a man is in love with his wife its great competition for Facebook. Because Love is the ultimate addiction, healthy addiction Therefore if the husband is looking more at his wife than on the Facebook feed advertisement, its a problem for Facebook because they want your eyeballs looking at the advertisement. Facebook and social media don't want husbands to be in love with their wives they want humans to be addicted to their content. The teenagers are suffering from depression.

[@thatwifeofhis7815]

I briefly worked at a daycare, partly there bc I could bring my son. It was so bad for us, bad for my mental health, and whoa...eye opening. I can't speak for all daycares but this one was just flat out abusive. PTSD from the 6 weeks I lasted.

[@NightinGal89]

Why was it that bad?

[@eleanor4759]

Can you tell us more about your time working there?

[@tamelaparton1007]

We’ve got ourselves in a catch 22, now. I was one of those “power moms” who loved her career and let daycare take care of the babies. I decided to be a stay at home mom when my youngest was almost 2. My husband had an affair and left us to food pantries and The Welcome Wagon. I would never advise a woman to quit her job as divorce laws make it extremely easy to become impoverished. I was lucky that I was educated and went back to work. I agree with you, but I think it is too late. The feminist movement has allotted men quite a few women who do not care about his marital status. It is very easy for him to stray.

[@madamerousseau78]

It is very easy for him to stray.... if he chooses to. Not all men choose to stray.

[@madamerousseau78]

I can't edit my first comment, but I wanted to add that I'm sorry you found yourself in that situation.

[@user-wd8dm1oq8z]

I was very glad that there are such kind of discussions in social networks. Thank you!

[@vm24354]

EXACTLY ! ! ! To the point! Thank you for this! I share the same views on motherhood and it is a lonely fight in the world for my husband and me to achieve to be the best family for our childrens' needs.

[@sia9907]

A real feminism would prioritise mothers.

[@kimobrien.]

@@sia9907 Birgit married a bank account which explains how she can do what she pleases. The Bosses want us working the longest hours at the lowest wages which is discouraging family formation and bringing a new generation into the world.

[@sia9907]

@@kimobrien. Sounds wise. I'm highly considering marrying a bank account myself.

[@IrinaVanRonkel]

I live in USA for 6 years. I’m astonished how different approach of raising and schooling kids here in America. I’m glad the rest of the progressive world doesn’t operate with same values and techniques.

[@silvinasi]

Public schools are not good in America, but you have the freedom and the resources to homeschool that you cannot probably find anywhere in the world. It's all a matter of choice.

[@IrinaVanRonkel]

@@silvinasi I bet you did not live anywhere but in USA, am I right? 😉

[@silvinasi]

@@IrinaVanRonkel you are actually wrong. I lived in South America most of my life, born and raised there, and my family originally comes from Europe. Travelled extensively, too.

[@IrinaVanRonkel]

@@silvinasi Of course I meant 1 and 2 world countries. Unfortunately living in 3d world countries and excessive traveling doesn’t help to understand the difference in education between USA and other progressive countries. So actually I’m right 😗

[@silvinasi]

@@IrinaVanRonkel your comment actually showcase your ignorance.

[@benjaminharknett6528]

Very Good conversation ladies, it prompted a conversation between my mother and I. Thank you.

[@Miriam-fk9wr]

Just found your channel, I am so thrilled, just subscribed 🙏🏻

[@sia9907]

'Modern day feminism' specifically! Thank you for making the distinction between the good stuff (women being able to vote, for example) and the toxicity of libfem ideology.

[@hilarygibson3150]

Yes it gets confusing. I'd call myself a feminist because in the 70s and 80s it was about equal pay, and the tight to either be a SAHM or a career woman. Today its about having men it seems.

[@sia9907]

@@hilarygibson3150 Younger women who focus on actual women's rights are called 'radfems' (after the radical feminism of the 70s) or 'TERFs' today. You're probably a TERF, whether an actual radfem or not. There are loads of us, we're just not as popular as the men in dresses who unironically try to gatekeep feminism today. Viva the resistance! 🤍🤍🤍🤍

[@kathycoleman4648]

@@hilarygibson3150 Your second sentence is super important. The important thing for society should be women having a choice about whether to pursue children or a career. The insistence that a career is the only thing that should matter to a woman is insanity.

[@bozenazambrowicz7626]

Great conversation. Thank you. ❤

[@olivepennies4145]

I still see my youngest dtr, age 1, running towards daycare door as i left. The look of intense hurt and anger on her face still leaves me feeling guilty, which happened 3 years ago. I had to go to work, through tears. I harmed her, and myself. She suffered through years of pandemic where caregivers judged her for having a cold. 😢 She wouldn't let me hug her because of "germs." She has some separation anxiety but slowly we are growing our relationship despite rough start. Luckily i was able to pull back from work during summers so will have quality and quantity time!

[@phyllislovelace8151]

Thanks to both for this vital conversation, much appreciated.

[@harkyo]

Mrs. Peterson, Thanks for sharing this podcast. I didn't know you had one!. Also, lovely intro music!❤🙏🏽

[@naviifra2374]

I used to not want children but listening to this podcast has made me change my mind drastically. I want to have as many as possible now ❤

[@hmmmm489]

Nice...

[@everything...interesting]

Thank you for coming out and so boldly stating the truth, Tammy. A truth that most know, but so few have the courage to publicly declare.

[@ideas5663]

Excellent interview. Thank you a lot ❤

[@Alaitha]

This was wonderful. Thank you ❤

[@pm9716]

As a stay home mother I have never regretted my decision, however I did at time feel inferior to working woman. I have no regrets and I raised three beautiful people.

[@user-dz1mh9qb1d]

Well done Tammy 🎉 (behind every good man there is a great woman 😉) I agree, it is in the family that children are socialized and taught how to be real human beings … thank you for giving us the opportunity to listen to that wonderful German lady. 💕

[@ast4127]

Thank you for coming to Cyprus!

[@VioletACordy]

😊THANK YOU ~ TAMMY ~ for interviewing Birgit Kelle, a German journalist and author born in Romania🌈💥💥💥 I always enjoyed seeing you on your brilliant husbands podcast + and also on your gorgeous daughters video ~ show💕💕Tammy, you are a VERY TALENTED ARTIST🦋🦋I am delighted that you have your own VERY GOOD talk ~ show ~ podcast🌸🌸🌺Shalom to you and your beloved Family🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷violet (Toronto + Australia) PS I am a Montessori trined teacher ~ tutor (with a wonderful son .. We are truly Blesse to have FABULOUS children🐸😺) 🌲🦚🌳🎄🌲🌲🦚

[@CH-Wisdom]

As a mom who stayed home with three children and once they were all in school (12 years) went on to become an elementary school principal, I wouldn't trade the years with my children for anything on the planet! I was not willing to share their first steps, first tooth, sick days, picnics, cooking and baking etc...with strangers. They were a gift given to my husband and myself too precious to give away. My husband worked two jobs and we sacrificed 'things" and 'entertainment" for a rich family life that stood by me as I loved those God allowed me to serve in the schools. Motherhood is the only true fulfillment so don't let them fool you into the pursuit of money over family ❤

[@henningrucks4793]

Great talk, ladies. So important.

[@_BirdOfGoodOmen]

31:35 the comments on roughhousing hit home. I grew up without a dad and I can tell this and everything flowing from it wouldve been of great benefit to me growing up.

[@asyastefanova1602]

Thank you for this wonderful interview, Mrs. Peterson!

[@casidingarianne1173]

Thank you Tammy. You're like my virtual mom. 😍😘😘😘

[@charitywasimmpps7522]

Thank you both for such amazing talk ! God bless You ! Strong message for our Youths

[@karenlouise2156]

You are fantastic! Thank you for your message!

[@queenie66]

Great Conversation! Thank You! Here is a thought I've had based on observation: An increasing number of people who have no children of their own are in positions of making decisions for our culture that will impact children. I am sorry to have to tell some people, but if you have never been a parent you do not fully understand children.

[@austintransplant4460]

There are four young people in Germany who have been given a wonderful start in life. Mrs. Brigit Kelle exudes wisdom, confidence and love. She is a wonderful role model, who has truly “learned” through observation, research, and self-reflection the importance of parenting. I bet her home is filled with warmth and laughter.

[@kimobrien.]

Sure she does she's part of the wealthy BOSS class so she doesn't have the problems working class women have.

[@Amywazwaz06]

Tami, your videos are great. These are wonderful topics to bring to people. Wow, I had no idea about the impact on our DNA that not having a father in their life. I have fought so hard to make my marriage work to give my children two parents in the home. It is so hard. Society makes it hard for families to stay together. Videos like yours and your husband’s are a true God send to help in that aspect. Videos on KZbin that talk about marriage, spousal conflicts, parenting, child raising problems and how to solve them are so needed. I truly believe you and your husband will have a mighty big impact on so many people in society because of your hard work at trying to share these videos with the public. I am sorry your husband and your family is being drug thru the ringer with the fight for his medical license. I have been thru this type of fight myself. It is very damaging to your mental health and physical health. I pray you both can stay strong thru this fight. Please know that fight is a direct result of how much of an impact you are having in the world. People who tell the truth and have a platform to reach even more people are a threat. Boy how life has change so much in the last 40 years. I am so glad to have found your families channels. All three of you I have found so far are amazing.

[@griseldaholmes3280]

Wonderful conversation thank you. I realised that mothers or grannies or extended family absolutely need to be with children til they're about 5 with maybe a máximum of 2 hours away from Mummy. Very tragic to see children suffering away from their mother or extended family at such young ages. I think they feel like orphans when they are in a creche at age 2.

[@Andantalas]

It's powerful when you talk about the friends you've made and the things you've done on your travels.

[@fritzieschomaker1476]

So great to see Birgit Kelle on here!

[@terrigodfrey8260]

A woman can be strong, accomplished, educated, feminine and a wife and mother. At 75 years old, I've come to know that the most important job I had, along with my husband, was raising intelligent, loving, hard working adults and supporting them in their quest to become themselves. The next most important thing was having mature and loving influence on grandchildren. The gifts are in all that interaction over years of living and loving. Equalizing women in the work force is important, many aspects of feminism are important for the growth of women in society but nothing compares to the security and self esteem you instill in a child as they grow. We need good men and women and strong family units of all descriptions. Tammy, thank you for the discussions you create.

[@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals]

I find this so interesting--it's great to find other women who value motherhood and childhood. I look forward to our chat next week!

[@Jess.E.17]

This is my first time listening to Mrs. Peterson's podcast, or any of her discussions. But I'm a huge fan of Jordan. I'm not surprised by her grace, intellect, and charm. Thank you for covering this topic. I was never a hardcore feminist, but it took me too long to decide to have children. I'm 35 now, and am preparing my body to conceive sometime in a year or so. Although I'm a bit sad that I waited so long, I'm so happy that I've come around to try now.

[@asya4553]

When Birgit said the roles changed at 38:59, I related to that so much, as a 24 yo woman, the old saying we hear about men not caring about a woman’s career or accomplishments is very outdated for my generation. I think this is especially true in blue states in the US and much of the developed world. It’s getting harder and harder to come across a man who cares more about my nurturing side than my competitiveness at school or workplace. 99% of the men under 30 wants to date a girl who is a go getter at work, who is well educated, and who is loud and outgoing. I actually had a long term boyfriend whom i dated for 5 years, and we had to separate our ways because i realized that i want to have a family and take care of my future kids, and he wanted someone who would help him get rich quicker so that he could live a more comfortable life travel etc. he also said he couldnt afford a family all on his own and even if he had a wife shed have to go back to work as soon as the kids could go to a day care. And he is not even that young he is 30 years old. And everyone else ive met has similar expectations in where i live in the bay area. The first question they ask to me is “what do you do for work?” And “where did you go to school and whats your major?” This is what almost all men around my age up to 33-34 expects from a girl nowadays. They dont need a nurturing girl, they want someone who can help them pay the bills.

[@TammyPetersonPodcast]

Thanks for your comment. That makes sense given the narrative that was being pushed on us all for the last 60 years especially since the introduction of the hormonal birth control pill

[@mon_ange333mony4]

They actually want both and even more, a nurturing girl who can pay bills, do housework like a pro and please them in bed. The nicer and more feminine you are the more chances of getting a man who is going to take advantage of your desire to compromise your ideals and actual needs.

[@F1986R]

It is a very irresponsible thing no doubt. But this talk is about how modern feminism is negatively affecting society, why are you talking about men taking advantage of it instead of discussing the real issue? Men suffer in divorce courts and are very likely to not be able to see their children the moment they separate and have no say in the abortion legally. So it is no surprise that they will avoid it at any cost or run a way, a wrong behavior that is totally expected. I was telling my friends more than 10 years ago that I'd never get married if I lived in the US. Some men are even forced to pay alimony for children that they found out weren't their own. The woman is a deceptive cheater and the court is aiding her instead of sending her to jail. I'd agree to have custody of the children if I had a bond with them and I will raise them if they send her to jail for the crime that she did. No one is allowed to talk about that without getting attacked. It is crazy what's happening right now and people should wake up before it's too late.

[@carolyna.869]

@@bambooboobamb3335 I've never made a lot of money but I always knew that I could support a family-- and would be willing to- if I were a man. But too many men won't step up to the plate or live within their means. People don't need take out food every night and a three car garage-- families could try living within their means again. Where there is a will, there is a way. But males aren't taught to be men anymore. You must admit its true.

[@ericferre]

maybe they are fed up with good gold diggers

[@billiecorbett5824]

A really important book to address some of these themes is Kimberly Ells’ book, The Invincible Family.

[@Rocks69]

Love this, thank you

[@mlomco]

Ugh. This reminds me of when my kids were little. It was a rough time. Nothing ever went smoothly.

[@zofiasizer7351]

Absolutely brilliant 👏👏👏

[@pumpkin3731]

Great show Tammy.

[@mayaphansalker456]

I enjoy working. I wish there was more support and it was more financially feasible for part time work for moms. I see problems too with some children who are home schooled in that if the caregiver isn't very adept, the children become really under socialized. I think socializing in school as well as adapting to routines is so incredibly important for long term mental health and functioning in society.

[@TammyPetersonPodcast]

Thank you for your comment. Schools are mostly so messed up. Parents don’t have much choice. I agree that kids need to learn to play. Sports teams build great social skills. Choirs and theatre?

[@mayaphansalker456]

@@TammyPetersonPodcast there are definitely things you can do to socialize children who don't go to school, but I think it requires a lot of dedication and focus. I see moms who homeschool that quickly burn out and can't keep up with the demands. Like I said, I also see kids who suffer a lot due to lack of socializing when they are home schooled. These are kids who are in my life and it's hard to watch while the parents are stuck in the belief that school is all bad. At the same time, I don't know how much more they could be doing at home to create more social opportunities and free play for their children. I think private schools like Waldorf create a great balance between socializing, routine and free play.

[@mayaphansalker456]

@@TammyPetersonPodcast I think women can also stay home while their kids go to school. That should be an option as it would provide more support for kids who are struggling in school. It was the norm only a few decades ago. Now it's like you can't stay home unless you home school.

[@hanichay1163]

Being a mother was my primary goal and career. Raised 7 outstanding well-rounded kids we were so grateful for who brought much joy. Helped them all a lot when their kids were little. Now a few of them (in 30s with kids) since technology, toxic masculinity, BLM, and covid, have suddenly gone woke incl radical feminism. It has ruined our close happy family. One blames us for her becoming a mother, is recharacterizing her childhood saying we were toxic unloving parents, trying to turn her siblings against us, totally cancelling her conservative brother who used to be her best friend, and rejecting God. She is nice when we happen to see her but otherwise wants nothing to do with us. It is heartbreaking and crazy-making. Her mind has been poisoned.

[@MIbra96]

It really is a mind virus isn't it? It's really difficult raising kids nowadays and you've done it with 7! Amazing job. I'm hopeful that at some point in the future your daughter will start to understand your perspective and stop resenting you. Truth and love will always prevail.

[@kellyblanton6969]

Tammy i am 62 we have 3 adult kids. My son is 30 and has 3 daughters who adore him. When my kidz were starting elementary school we put them in a Christian school. They had to wear uniforms...my 2 girls were thriving in this school they are oldef than their brother. By tbe time my son got into the 2nd grade 2 things in me i noticed that i didnt like where things were headed for my son if he stayed in this school. 1. I thought the little boys loomed ridiculous in the school uniforms...2. The kids especially the boys were not allowed to play chase or tag or kick ball or just run like all boys needed. If my son didnt complete his work assignments he had to sit on the ground at recess and do the work without asking questions. We put tbe kids in private school because we moved up to wa. From northern calif. And the schools in calif. Were known for low learning abilities...the teachers werent doing their best for the kids...we just assumed wa. Schools would be the same. Turns out that wasnt true 30 yrs ago. So in 2nd grade i couldnt stand to watch my very happy positive hard playing son take this non careing ideology from the school . We took him out and he went to the neighborhood schooling system with his 4 buddies who lived in the same cul-de-sac...the schools provided my son with so much extra teaching or learning tools so he could get caught up...he got to play at tecess then come home and not have to do 3 hour's of homework but 45 mi utes then goboutside and play football catch snakes play cops and robbers..and he thrived! He even took up the trombone in 5th grade! He eventually graduated from each school elementary jh. And highschool with honors keeping up with football and snakes and being such a respectful responsible kid to young man graduated from college every one who meets him loves him..my kids got to grow up with both normal parents he and his wife are awesome parents to my granddaughters. I know for him the private school would of eventually tare him up if he stayed. His 3 daughters are gurly girls and tomboys..its wonderful

[@elizabethannegrey6285]

28.37 Male/Female behavioural characteristics switched. As someone who follows true crime, this is reflected in the nature of interpersonal crimes. Women shooting, vehicular homicide, while men are poisoning. An excellent interview.

[@puma0316]

So instead of telling young girls to think limitless about their future, we are to tell them not to. To only look to Cinderella and Leave It To Beaver to get an idea of what a woman is capable of. How narrow a path you want for women. What is wrong with having another identity other than housewife/motherhood? I am those things and am still feeling like I am not living up to fullest potential because I was told there wasn't one beyond motherhood and this did not come to a point until my children grew up and didn't need me in the same way anymore. What is my identity passed motherhood and housewife? How do I see myself? What does my husband expect out of me now, since his needs from me was take care of the kids and sex. Now it's just sex? That's all I am to be to him? That's all I am to be for myself? I wasn't taught that I did have strength, either mental or physical, compared men. I realize physical, but mental? I can't have a brilliant mind? What worth does a woman have? Look at how we are sold on porn sites and in prostitution. Look how thr Southern Baptist refuse to look at a woman as a teacher/pastor of a church, where males will hear them? Stop blaming feminism for it all. Without it, you women wouldn't be here on KZbin trashing feminism or your daughter becoming a police officer. Life outside the home, for middle class on up, women were to stay home and cope. Feminism is not the devil. So girls can't be aggressive and go for what they want? Boys can't learn compassion and empathy? Balance, people. We all inside needs balance. Being a girl has been patholoigized, just like boys. *act this way*. This is why girls are socialized to be dainty and quiet. They still force this on girls. Can't girls have rough and tumble play? You act like girls can't or shouldn't. Again, balance.

[@charitywasimmpps7522]

Priceless!

[@annauk3030]

Superb insight and well explained Motherhood achieving its best ❤

[@jasminmonstera8133]

Great interview

[@msevers6242]

Yes, children need 2 parents in the home. The father is the spiritual leader and the mother is the ❤ of the home. Two distinct and complimentary roles.

[@hannahdavia8791]

Brilliant thank you ❤

[@kimpreslar303]

This was a GREAT episode and guest on a topic of critical importance for us all!

[@ketherwhale6126]

I enjoyed being a stay at home mother during the late nineties and 2000 years with my kids. It was busy and quite the full time job and very fulfilling. There was community and a sense of strong values and security for the kids. This was a much better model than placing work first and juggling motherhood on the sidelines. Not to say I didn’t bring in an income. I did take in a few kids over the years as supplemental income because my youngest also had a form of autism and had many delays, so I needed to be there for him.( those delays are basically almost unnoticeable presently). So it worked out and I don’t regret the choice for motherhood. BTW I became a mother when I was quite a bit older. Almost 36 and my last was born at 42. I had 3 kids in total because of space and affordability. My kids were involved in a host of extra curricular activities in their school years. I loved it- the best years of my adult life.

[@chiuyentan]

Birgit Kelle! A huge fan! Viele Grüße aus Toronto! Wonderful to see these two brilliant women talk. Thank you Tammy for bringing her on!

[@shannonbraeckevelt2690]

Exactly. You recognized the importance of parenthood, the influence that parents can have on their own children and thus on the whole upcoming generation. Plus, it’s great to love your children and to want to be with them!

[@jennylynn215]

I was a stay at home mom and it was precious. One day, after fifteen years and four kids, my husband decided to leave us for another woman and i had a heck of a time regaining my independence because i didn't have a job history and i started at minimum wage. I will be in poverty the rest of my life. But i wouldn't trade it for being home with my oldest three. The youngest has been raised by daycare and teachers and it is so sad not to be there. ❤

[@DarjaWagner]

Birgit Kelle is an awesome journalist and one of the first and still very few people to verbalize arguments against surrogacy and gender ideology in German language. Nice to see her on the Peterson podcast.

[@St.Raphael...]

Overbearing women with no children will be the downfall of the West…

[@carolyna.869]

Are you sure it won't be wine moms?

[@margarita8416]

just listening to Tammy for the first time. her language is telling - not spending time is not just dinner. yet this is Tammy's reaction..... very telling. imo it's important to have both - kinder & family time. children need to socialise outside the family with children & adults. balance is hard to find, yet it's the key

[@GraceHarwood88]

1:02:45 I agree with this so very much.

[@danepaulstewart8464]

These topics are SO fundamental to ALL of our lives no matter who we are, yet it’s stunning how much these life roles are denigrated these days. It’s a tragedy. ☹️

[@gracelong7110]

Very nice conversation. We live in an extreme era when consumerism permeates every aspect of our lives. Society values career woman more than stay at home mothers as career women consume more : good clothes, fashion, IVF, child care , .... Society encourages everything to be outsourced, so that there is job for everyone. Motherhood unfortunately has been turned into prosperous business, a lot of industries have been profiting from motherhood: medical industry by providing IVF and treating neglected children, extended child care from 0600 am to 0600 pm. I praise any women who value motherhood more than career.

[@TammyPetersonPodcast]

Thank you for your comment

[@lolitawoodhouse1884]

This brought me to tears multiple times. There is a war going on for the hearts and minds of women. We are the life givers and they know that.

[@asya4553]

I want to add, not only men of my generation dont have a sense of responsibility with the woman they have sex with, they also expect you to get abortion in the rare case that you might get pregnant. Almost all of them expect this. Even if they had been dating for a long time, men expect this from the women they date with. They compare with their ex gfs who had abortion without complaints, they say they havent planned to be a parent and they wont be involved, they ghost and run away. They don’t even need to stay with a girl, because there are just so many girls they can sleep with.

[@khaderlander2429]

Generalisations. You presuppose the very thing you are trying to prove because your orientation is built into your justification and legitimation of that choice. Women fall for the trap of sexual revolution which is of great help to men as it gives us sexual access without commitment, since women are no longer gatekeepers. Women are in charge when it comes to sexual access and men are in charge when it comes to commitment, if a man has access to commitment free sex from women, he will postpone it indefinitely.

[@mon_ange333mony4]

Why do you agree to sleep with a man who doesn't use adequate protection ? A man can give you sexual transmitted diseases and leave you pregnant as well. Can't you convince a man to have sex in your own terms with minim risks for your health ? Sexual education is mandatory in some schools. I don't understand why some men don't mind their partner's health and their own.

[@asya4553]

@@mon_ange333mony4 condoms do fail. Condoms dont protect against all diseases. So even using protection is not logical. And I am not sleeping with them anymore because I started to listen to some religious women like Tammy, and am waiting for my marriage now. Why did I do that? Because it was my first relationship, and it was a monogamous relationship, I didnt grow up in a religious home and where I live is the most liberal city in the world, so; I think it’s amazing that I am here now.

[@kathrynwells5936]

. I do. I tried everything too. I agree with you

[@pryankamahmud7172]

You earn your own food. It's the basic idea. Ever stuck in a society where you are forbidden to this simple right? When you're not in charge of your own food and happiness it's like living in a hell. I know the fact that my grandfather used to beat my grandmother, he was a cheat too. Despite coming from a wealthier family and prosperous background she was stuck in that situation because it was the norm. She used to beg her husband not to remarry. You don't know what can people do to you when they get the chance. Never ever go fully dependent on anybody for money, emotional support or well being. It may sound odd but world is a trading place. If there's a good man get on with him. But never ever get fully dependent. People's own vulnerability makes other monsters that you have never seen before. If you have surplus open the door, cater, make room for others. Otherwise live a peaceful and prosperous life with yourself. Life is too short to have drama and suffering.

[@lisa6356]

You are the first person in this comment section that understand this.

[@cyberspace7208]

How doesn't a stay at home mother earn her own food?

[@leapoecile5318]

Thank you for the discussion especially about "quality time" vs. quantity time. And to say it's actually not good to turn small children over to the daycare - yes! I seem to remember Mr. Peterson being an advocate of daycare so mothers can go do their own "work" and saying it's healthy for the mother and child to have this kind of separation. I wonder what he thinks about this discussion.

[@TammyPetersonPodcast]

My understanding of Dr Petersons view on mothers working is that children benefit from a mothers education more than they benefit from the fathers education. He advocates for mother’s doing their part in society

[@leapoecile5318]

@@TammyPetersonPodcast Okay, yes, that rings a bell. Just to clarify - does that mean he is saying that mothers staying home with their children are not "doing their part in society?" Also, thankfully mothers can certainly educate themselves while being present at home with their children.

[@et1016]

Great channel!!!!!

[@helendeacon7637]

So much of real value in this thoughtful discussion - thank you Tammy and Birgit. I relate so much to what you both observe about "catching the moment" conversations. Our children are so tech and peer focused and those influences more invasive and pervasive than we realise, everyone distracted. Sound points about tiredness, disappointment, frustration, the pressure to be a certain way. How materialism in the West has objectified what is meant to be relational. People are the image bearers of God, sin impacted, nevertheless made in God's image. So pleased you are honestly, candidly and, with appreciation, speaking about motherhood and nurturing. Thanks again for this. Learning so much. I'm sorry and heartbroken for those women who've been shortchanged by the more extreme feminism the third wave of that movement has brought. Wisdom is handed down woman to woman, grandmother to grandchildren. In the New Testament Titus 2 encourages me because the discernment, practical knowing and experience is there exchanged and passed down between women in the Christian community in that example.

[@GraceHarwood88]

33:38 What percentage of criminals had abusive/excessively violent fathers in the home/removed from the home by law?

[@Joraelfa]

Just a wild guess: not many.

[@Tamar-sz8ox]

In todays economy : in the USA 🇺🇸: to own a modest home , pay for home repairs ,pay bills , pay for healthcare , raise children , save for college or tech school , and the big one save for your retirement , you cannot do that on one persons salary.

[@ericferre]

so how are you still alive there in the USA?

[@mary-elizabeth]

My family lives off of one income. I think it can be done. After years of saving we just bought a house last month, we contribute to our retirement accounts, are homeschooling three boys, my husband is going to college and will graduate debt free next spring and go into the cyber security industry. He has gone to college for years part time, paying as we go and finding jobs that pay for college. We married when we were 18 and 19 had our first baby 11 months after we married (been married 13 yrs), he worked at McDonald's, I worked a minimum wage job in retail. It has been a slow climb out of poverty ever since but we have worked our butts off to get here. I agree that if you want the typical American life style, then no, it can't be done. We drive 10+ year old cars, shop thrift stores, eat beans and rice, are very careful with how we spend our entertainment money and we say no to new electronics and have minimal toys and things for the kids. We are so so happy. I know many other families who are in the same boat with one income and they also make it work. In this lifestyle you end up learning to do a lot of things on your own and doing without. So it is possible in this day and age to live off of one income, sure you'll have to sacrifice things and there will be suffering and dying to self but what lifestyle doesn't have suffering, or choosing one thing over another?

[@mary-elizabeth]

Also for healthcare I call the Drs. Offices and negotiate our bills. Under President Trump he made it law that hospitals/clinics need to post their prices and what is negotiated with all insurance providers. My son had an x-ray and I could see the negotiated cost for that x-ray varied from $73-536 depending on who you had insurance with. I negotiated that of course. Again you just have to find creative ways to keep your money. We also have been able to do all this without ever being on any government aid programs as well. No food stamps, or free healthcare.

[@Tamar-sz8ox]

That’s wonderful. My parents grew up in poverty . Fast forward , I grew up lower middle class and money was a constant struggle. / I hear ya , my husband and I started out with nothing . For us , we wanna write the check , pay the bill and go to sleep without tossing and Turning, it takes up too much mental band width . Life is about choices you are right. God bless you and your family ❤️

[@carolyna.869]

@@mary-elizabeth You are a hero!! Though it may not seem like it- you're living the dream!

[@momscience399]

I think it makes sense why women lie about what women should like, to younger women. It's a mating strategy, because young women will have to figure out for themselves that this is a lie and that in the long run, hormones drive us to like different things. In this way, those who lie can "try" to preserve their own preferred prospective mating pool. Just my thoughts as a biologist.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Your whole premise is a lie and bs.

[@ideas5663]

My father worked a lot and didn't speak that much at home. I missed and still missing the things that he could have taught me.

[@jeans398]

If my husband brought in enough money to sustain our family od be a stay at home mom in heartbeat. But we just cannot afford it, we are in a skeleton budget with two incomes.

[@pallavidawson7933]

This is one of my favourite conversations. I’m so glad to have discovered this part of KZbin. Thank you to all involved, I’ll be checking out the books and literature also.

[@Leo-mr1qz]

10 year old boy who is boisterous, rambunctious, and curious like he should be, was put on Riddlin because his workaholic mother deamed him uncontrollable. Now, he's extra aggressive, even physically towards the girls in his class, and fat and lazy. This is all due to a mother who wishes to add more and more titles after her name, dominating the father in income and intellect, and in the wake of it all, literally creating a monster. I see this scenario in my small dot in the world, time and time again. This specific example is from one of my daughter's classmates she's been with since kindergarten. I find it extremely disturbing and incredibly sad.

[@jordybpeterson9046]

I am a woman and as a little girl my father also did rough and tumble play with me. I also did it with my girl school mates. Not sure if other girls do it but strange to me that they only talk about boys engaging in it. Also there are fathers who don’t engage in rough and tumble play with their boys. What happens to those boys? Then there’s those boys and girls with cptsd from bad fathers. What is the consequence of that?

[@teapot6711]

One ear phone is back-to-front so I had to listen and not watch the earphone 😂, very good podcast, I totally agree.

[@user-kj8yl6sn2z]

He suggested trying to host the sheikh Joe Bradford to talk about women's rights, duties, and responsibilities in marital, family, social, and religious life .. And a discussion of all the problems of contemporary women, how Islamic law deals with them. And hosting Muhammad Ali (The Muslim Lantern) on Why We Love Jesus PBUH and Do Not Believe in the Trinity Doctrine. sheikh mufti mink Or Abd al-Rahim McCarthy to talk about why the Prophet Muhammad PBUH is a unique personality and what is the encyclopedia of good and bad morals in Islam that elevates the Muslim morally In my opinion, these three issues were not well understood by the Western world about Muslims

[@nmor2661]

Amazing to raise a generation and a harmonious family is not valued and sign of stupidity but to work as any other job outside home is a sign of intelligence .We lost the reference point. Just notice what we are doing to Earth.

[@madamerousseau78]

Thanks for this conversation with Birgit Kelle. It's a breath of fresh air to hear women talk about wanting to be at home with their children. But I would like to say something in defense of Germany and its support for families. We lived in Germany for most of our children's childhood years and profited from the German Kindergeld and Erziehungsgeld, which is quite generous. You don't get that kind of support in other countries. Please note, I'm not saying that Birgit Kelle's words are untrue, only that thanks to the financial support offered to all families in Germany, it is easier for a mother to stay at home with her children if she's willing to make some sacrifices (and her husband has to be willing to do so too, of course). If the husband has a decent job, and they're happy to live a simple life, it's possible.

[@ruthroo8954]

My Dad died from cancer when I was 6…I have no brothers. What about us? My parents would not have parted ways by choice. I attended a strict school, plus my Mother & Aunt were strict, but kind. Am I going to die sooner bc of this?

[@mariecurie2659]

As exceptional of an orator as Dr. Peterson is, Mrs. Peterson is, in my opinion, a significantly better interviewer. Thank you for what you do! You ask thoughtful questions and give ample time for the interviewee to answer comprehensively.

[@TammyPetersonPodcast]

Thank you for your comment and encouragement

[@aishc9167]

Love this podcast. Two amazing women sharing such powerful tools for the woman of today ❤