Tangled Theology: Examining The Confusion Of Christianity Through The Apostle Kathryn Krick

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Happy Tuesday! Stick with me on this one, it's a bit of a bumpy and wild ride!

[@japexican007]

10:57 it has nothing to do with you “UNLESS That is part of Gods Will” “And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭11‬:‭2‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭18‬:‭14‬, ‭19‬ ‭KJV‬‬ As we can see here Gods Will IS NOT that any one should perish As such if you’re praying for someone to go to hell or praying for something to happen to them that won’t lead them to salvation then that’s not part of Gods will “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.” ‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭12‬-‭14‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “But when 2 or 3 are gathered” You claim confusion here but it seems this is just another misapplied verse. As we see in John person A must first “believe” in Christ, what exactly does belief entail? I would wager it’s not only accepting him as savior but also as Lord, what does that mean to accept him as Lord? I would go as far as to say that everything Christ preached we should take it as an fact, reality. As such when someone “believes” they are aligning their spirit with the Holy Spirit For instance “Is it Gods will that I become a millionaire” if I didn’t know this answer I would look into scripture, And according to scripture I would say no, Reference: Jesus told the rich man to give all his possessions The love of money is the root of all evil etc. Now it could be that my heart is humbled enough that I very well could use this for other people to come to Christ, as such God may allow a caveat to such a prayer, but going off scripture we shouldn’t expect such a prayer to be answered especially when scripture reveals this is against Gods will So when 2 or three are gathered 1. They must both agree aka they accept this to be Gods will 2. “In My Name” meaning this should be done in accordance to what God has dictated to be his will according to what we know of God If we pray for “evil” to be done, this goes against Gods nature If we pray for worldly desires then more than likely they won’t be answered, such as “physical redemption” vs spiritual redemption If it won’t lead an individual towards Christ then there is no reason for God to heal someone If someone is already saved in Christ and someone prays for God to “heal them” and God decides to bring them home to heaven I would wager they have been healed from said cancer, no more suffering and no more pain, except the cancer they’ve been healed from is the sin virus But if we pray for something that 2 believers in Christ don’t agree on aka they’ve looked at scripture and it doesn’t align And it’s against the will of God Then it won’t come to pass Personally I’ve had alot of prayers answered but only when I looked to scripture to make sure it didn’t contradict with something else God has proclaimed and also when it wasn’t for me but rather for someone else to come to accept Jesus Christ I’ll give you an example Atheist: is truly searching for God and asks a question, supposed contradiction I don’t know the answer, I pray to God for his will to be done, if he deems it that this person needs this to be saved then may God reveal how I should respond, I would then read the text and God would give me understanding on what the text means But this only happens when A. The individual is humbly seeking God B. It is the will of God that they should be drawn nearer to him When an atheist is hostile and cursing God or not humbling themselves but claiming they know truth, thus move the goal post or find another excuse/question to ask whenever you answer the 100 questions beforehand, God does not answer my prayers but instead places in my heart for me to walk away “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭14‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.” ‭‭Titus‬ ‭3‬:‭8‬-‭11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@peterkeller7880]

Going all out there. 28mins. Its great you talk abt other Christians besides the usual suspects. Exposes other dogma.

[@alanhyland5697]

@@japexican007 I have an experiment for you. Pray for something that you are CERTAIN is in God's will. Do it with everything you've got and all the conditions that you say are required. I've done this. I've done this with people who were in full agreement with me, and we were ALL true believers. Pray like this for a few issues, and write down your prayers for reference, along with the dates. Then, sit back and wait for God to step in and do his magic. While you're waiting, pray continuously for those issues (just in case) and 'hold fast to your faith.' All through your prayers, quote scripture and claim the promises of God, where applicable. The whole "if it's God's will" thing is a great excuse for why those prayers won't work. If you keep a prayer journal at all, after a while you're going to see a shockingly low percentage of "answered prayers" that can't even be shown to be more than mere coincidence.

[@ZeusAssassin]

@@alanhyland5697 That's a great experiment! Believers put a lot of stock into prayer due to selective memory. A thorough analysis can easily debunk their hold on such a worthless thing to do.

[@alanhyland5697]

@@ZeusAssassin Yeah, it was a Christian that suggested it to me too. 😅😅 Of course, most Christians never do something like keep a prayer journal, so confirmation bias is a major factor in belief. It's easy to say, "IF it's God's will," which is why I suggested praying ONLY about things that you're CERTAIN is the 'Word of God' and to use scriptures to confirm the prayer. And by the way, if any Christians are able to prove the efficacy of prayer, I'll have no choice but to reconsider my disbelief in God.

[@loriw2661]

This reminds me of a trial I watched. A woman’s son was brutally tortured & beaten. And after 3 hours, he died. The jury found the person responsible, guilty. They interviewed her and she said, “Thank you Jesus, God is good.” Not good enough to save her son, just good enough to have his murderer convicted. I’m so glad I’m not performing those mental gymnastics any more. Phenomenal video, as usual!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Great and terribly sad example! thank you very much.

[@Lerian_V]

Actually, she should thank God for her son's death as well as the justice she got for her son's death. God is good and he knows all things. So, in good times and in bad times we should praise God, for nothing happens without his knowledge. All will be well in the end.

[@highroller-jq3ix]

@@Lerian_V What a debased and pathetic being you are.

[@loriw2661]

@@Lerian_V I feel so bad that your religion has made you think this way. Do you feel the same way about children getting molested? If it happened to one of your children or family members, would you thank god for that? This is a serious question that I am asking because I really want to know.

[@letsomethingshine]

@@Lerian_V "This is the best of all possible worlds" ~ Pangloss, in "Candide the Optimist." Hell under the Yggdrasil Tree, why even need a Human Justice System at all? God "sees you when you're sleeping" and "all will be well in the end" anyway 🤷🤷‍♂🤷‍♀. No need for Military or Judges, if God is enough! After all, we shouldn't be "serving more than just ONE master" if honest and non-hypocritical. The shallow irony is palpable in the false religions that favor delusion for false hope, without the "only-true-hope" part unless pragmatically convenient like their cherry-picking bibliolatry.

[@tinyshepherdess7710]

The paradox of "I am nothing - NOT entitled to anything" vs "this is mine - Jesus gave it to me - I am an heir" could possibly be one of the major drivers of cognitive dissonance in the faith. I couldn't articulate it when I was a believer, but I constantly felt that tug of war.

[@gusgrizzel8397]

They feel special, chosen. So if you have any problems in your life, they think they are better than you.

[@brianray2614]

Delusional for sure..

[@martinnyberg71]

That bit is so bewildering to me, a non-theist all my life. This combination of boundless arrogance - believing that the most powerful being in the universe is your personal friend who takes time out of its normal earthquake-causing, child-bone-cancer-inflicting, and pestilence-spreading to help you score a goal or to find a sharpie in the right colour - on the one side, and this insistence on that *_everyone_* are “sinners” and worthy of *_eternal_* torture as a punishment - together, again, with boundless arrogance, since they insist that they in particular have been granted a get-out-of-eternal-torture-free-card by a toss of the dice. I simply cannot understand the mindset.🤔

[@Wveth]

@@martinnyberg71 Neither could I, from the perspective of thinking it was divinely correct and I HAD to internalize it or risk eternal torment. Christianity always made me feel like the most worthless piece of filth that could ever exist; I had to be, if I deserved the kind of punishment that was waiting for me prior to my salvation. I think for a lot of those who never leave the faith, they reconcile the contradiction by concluding that "I AM divinely special and I AM deserving of the ultimate reward, because if that isn't true, then instead I'm a lowly wretch who must be punished forever." I think the sense of superiority becomes their emotional shield for deflecting doubts, because doubts lead to feeling like one is destined for Hell, and thus the attendant feelings of shame and worthlessness (or at least they did for me).

[@ari3lz3pp]

Christianity never says you are nothing. So....if that's what this false Christian woman says obviously you'd be confused as she is. She's not a Christian. The enemy is doing a good job tricking you and many others through manipulation of the Bible. If you read the Bible and studied it you would know better. ❤ I hope you find the truth the way the life.

[@EmissaryOfStuff]

The way Kathryn sounds to me: "Don't underestimate me! I have the power of God and Anime on my side!"

[@DanielKevin-lg2fb]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@williamlarochelle6833]

Exactly right: "The Bible does not agree with itself." From that, we have denominations galore, spawning a doctrinal disunity that's unfixable.

[@kristenraejohnson]

"Faith is a hope despite reality." WOW. That's spot on, bro. 👏 Awesome job with this video!!!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you very much. Glad you enjoyed!

[@Aurealeus]

*_"Faith_* is the excuse people give as a reason when they don't have evidence." - Matt Dillahunty

[@MindShift-Brandon]

even better!

[@casparuskruger4807]

As a faith believer, how can you trust you reasoning ability when you have doctrine that teaches you things like let the Holy Bible be the only source of truth in our world --as if all of reality is a lie -and only the book of lies has the Truth?

[@letsomethingshine]

The only kernel of half-truth in there is that some people are incorrect about what they think the reality is, and we should have more humility enough to not take hopelessness to seriously.

[@damianabbate4423]

All of the anxt, time, mental gymnastics, living like a member of a cult and wasted Sundays because a book from 2000 yrs ago promises eternal life. Great job on this!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

its very sad to wrap it all up like that, but that is exactly what it is, you are right. Thank you!

[@damianabbate4423]

@@MindShift-Brandon It is extremely sad. My mom reminds me of all the great times and people I met as a believer. I remind her that there is great people everywhere, not just in religions. I did enjoy the company of some very caring people. But the anxiety young people experience and the lifelong longing believers crave is such a waste of time. We need church without any gods.

[@WayneGolding]

@@damianabbate4423 I couldn't agree more. Any ideas about where to find such a thing?

[@damianabbate4423]

@@WayneGolding Sadly, no. A non god church is a good idea to keep people connected.

[@WayneGolding]

@@damianabbate4423 I was thinking recently how well the structure of a church works. Everyone is focused on one thing/person/entity that they love. And then they all talk about what this being is currently showing them. There is no other thing like that that I have found. Any idea how Muslims view and experience their community? How about Mahayana Buddhism or a Hindu ashram?

[@Grayraven777]

Your intellect is razor sharp, able to cut through bullshite in a single slice, truly a man with eyes to see and ears to hear, keep up the good works.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

So very mind. Thank you for that!

[@Grayraven777]

you're most melcome😄@@MindShift-Brandon

[@Rockyandmom]

Here, here!

[@devin5312]

It’s a pain when your whole family looks at you differently because you don’t agree with they believe in 😞 feels like I’m alone. It’s ridiculous.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

So sorry, my man. Yes some parts of all this just suck.

[@A-non-theist]

I feel you. I know exactly what you're talking about. 😢

[@margaretjohnson6259]

as an old lady, trust that the opinions of others are only valid when they support you in daily life. those who reject you for religious reasons can be dismissed. ultimately, the opinions of others is unimportant. and there are millions of people with the same attitude toward religion. the unitarian universalists church often has atheist meetings where you can meet like-minded people.

[@cutienerdgirl]

How old are you? Can you make atheist or agnostic friends?

[@nauticdixons]

You're not alone. That's a majority of us here, but the liberation is well worth it.

[@mh4zd]

The fact that the New Testament writers were not all on the same theological page has ultimately been a feature, not a bug, for Christianity - it provides such flexibility and moral adaptability. But for those craving truth and elegance (even if the true elegance contains something brutal) this religion shows itself to be all too human.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thats a great point!

[@AndyCampbellMusic]

All of them do? One two part question for people with superstitious religious beliefs. (A) If someone told you (or you read in a book) that the sun used matches and candles to spread light and heat at night. Would it be obvious to you, how self evidently illogical, irrational, unreasonable and nonsensical this idea was? (Would you understand why)? (B) If someone told you (or you read in a book) that something capable of creating a universe and everything in it, used puny humans and books to spread accurate information. Would it be obvious to you, how self evidently illogical, irrational, unreasonable and nonsensical this idea was? (Would you understand why)? All gods are imaginary. No people = No imagined gods.

[@mh4zd]

​@@AndyCampbellMusic My first thought was that I agree with you (and that maybe you mistook my "this religion" to mean another theism exists that makes sense). But I might note that both of these propositions would not seem so outlandish to the knowledge base of 3,000 YA. I wouldn't even know whether or not the sun was a mere several hundred feet in the sky, quite small, and operated by mortal humans (with candles, etc, and some human technologies I had yet to encounter). The second proposition hinges on both anthropocentrism and the early vision of gods as powerful, but not omnipotent, beings, with either a god-transcending set of constraints and malevolent forces against which humans are needed, or a set of other deities against which battles must be fought, for which humans were needed. The "capable of creating the universe and everything in it" is a later evolution of the god-figure, which ended up creating some problems in terms of making sense of the creation and fall stories. The point here is that superstitious beliefs are not all the same, and I suspect there are some that exist today that are not so obvious to detect. For instance, a good many atheists still believe in an entity within each person who operates apart from causality - that can tear itself away from causality, and, now to add the entrance door to the eventual incoherency, that varies from person to person in terms of its moral quality, and yet, despite said variation, is both free of external causality and inherency (which would violate its status as free from externalities). Variation cannot come from within unless there is variation in the operator of the setting of the variation, unless we appeal to what ultimately amounts to an infinite regression. Cheers.

[@johnalexir7634]

This is why I like physics. Physics is mostly elegant.

[@BookishChas]

Excellent video Brandon. There’s so much doublespeak in the church and even in the Bible. It leads to so much confusion, and really despair for so many people.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Doublespeak! i couldnt find that word this whole damn video lol. Thank you.

[@TheMilitantMazdakite]

@@beemixsy You know, just because there are different ideas about things doesn't mean that the thing doesn't exist. It happens in academia all the time.

[@mas8171]

Former fundamentalist believer here of 35+yrs. The problem with growing up in the Christian fundy… is that you just roll with all of this ‘mumbo-jumbo’ nonsense. Why you might ask? Because mom & dad did…you went to Sunday morning service and then brunch, then back for Sunday evening service, then Monday home Bible study group, then back to church Wednesday prayer service and then Friday night youth group meetings. You don’t have the time nor the capacity to question any of holy Scheizze that’s promoted and shoved into your being. That’s why people believe this crappola!

[@douglascutler1037]

@@TheMilitantMazdakite There are two different views out there on the shape of the earth. Which do you subscribe to and what is your methodology?

[@Cowplunk]

This is something I've been pointing out to people and it's something I wish more atheists in the media would focus on,. Preachers don't just contradict each other at every turn. They contradict themselves at every turn. All it takes is a little research to bring these self-contradictions to light, and the evidence can be quite "damning".

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Ha, damning indeed. Thanks for watching.

[@gusgrizzel8397]

Don't make a lot of money, that's greed...but donate generously to the church.

[@lilyluna5367]

I've watched every single one of your videos. I can't say I ever believed but I've always questioned things due to my religious upbringing. Your videos have opened my eyes to how blantantly false my family's christian beliefs are. Thank you for all your hard work, please keep it up.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Lily, that is so kind. thank you for your support! and I will continue on, glad to hear its giving you a perspective you didnt have before.

[@kevinmiller1121]

This is me exactly, too

[@JasonHenderson]

I agree. This is a lot of us. The "never a real Christian" but still forced to grow up in the religion

[@VaughanMcCue]

I have watched about four hours so far. Amazing stuff.

[@VaughanMcCue]

@@JasonHenderson When an idiot said that to me, I thanked them. "You have a greater faith in my intelligence than I thought of myself. It is such a relief that you really believe I wasn't even half as gullible or stupid as I feel like I have been?"

[@F-hj9mz]

This was pretty different for you, I loved how it was more of a critique of her whole message and multiple videos than just one video or aspect. This was really cool and very entertaining. The confusion is huge! and you showed that really well.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you for the feedback on it! Glad it landed

[@andrewferg8737]

"really cool and very entertaining. The confusion is huge!" ---- non sequitur

[@gusgrizzel8397]

What's up with her super long hair?

[@dane947]

Fortunately for me, I don't have the emotional capacity for an evangelical fundamentalist type personality. Keeps me safe from possible indoctrination and, they just creep me out(ex Kenneth Copeland). Her over dramatized tonal inflections and facial expressions just make me see "fake" people. Great video.

[@Aurealeus]

Same here, and agree, especially in regard to her animated expressions.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I find it appalling now, but i didn't for a long period of my life. Gross. its just so embarrassing at this point.

[@Aurealeus]

@@MindShift-Brandon Entertaining, for sure...

[@dane947]

@@MindShift-Brandon Nah, forget the embarrassment, just be thankful it wasn't that way for your _entire_ life.

[@letsomethingshine]

There is also a psychological fallacy where a lot of human people assume that someone otherwise sane would not "be/act that crazy on cue" and that "the more self-assured they seem the more true it must be." critical-thinking and our knowledge of psychology are very important to defend ourselves against emotionally-manipulative attacks from the money-collectors and lying-fantasy-sellers.

[@timbertome2443]

I really appreciate your elucidation and the precision with which you speak. Hope your channel grows exponentially, bröther. 👊

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you so much! thats really encouraging to hear.

[@danielsmith2447]

My dad is a preacher, I was always puzzled by the shelves of books and bible concordances he had to figure out this one book.

[@farr4_moon87]

In a fundamentalist world, the work he is putting in saves lives.

[@sashasmama93]

"Thats not faith. Thats delusion." 😂 i started cracking up, theres far too many people i want to say this to.. thank you for this the last 2 minutes of this video are powerful

[@mikenash7049]

I suffered the "over-thinking is bad and you over-think your belief" thing all the way through my thirty-something years as an evangelical Christian (starting at age 17). At the last Bible study group I ever went to, the leader of the group prayed over me that God would reduce my intelligence so that I could "know God". I even heard it said from the pulpit that God hates academics. I'm not an academic but as someone with two university degrees, I found that deeply insulting.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Can relate. My very last church service i ever attended the pastor was making fun of grad students for knowing nothing and wasting their time. Religion hates a critical analysis.

[@Vapourwear]

Remember, you’re too smart to be right! 😅

[@VaughanMcCue]

The imaginary god doesn't hate academically capable people; the uninformed fools use that strategy to compensate for their incompetence.

[@Skeptic236]

This seems to be a thing now...last week Pastor doing Sermon on sin. Photo of a relative in academic garb (when they received their degree) and the comment was that achieving an academic milestone can lead to pride and leads to sin...better to be uneducated, stupid and sinless? I would not have believed such a blinkered statement could be uttered if I had not been there to hear it.

[@VaughanMcCue]

@@Skeptic236 Everyone does dumb stuff, but it takes religious superstition to make otherwise sensible people coordinate outrageously foolish things.

[@joelpartee594]

My wife's personal theory is that Paul was in a bad marriage back when he was Saul and never really got over it.

[@JustinCase-em6ql]

Your wife is an idiot.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Would love to know sauls full backstory!

[@zacharylehocki]

lol I like your Wife`s sense of humor.

[@timbertome2443]

My own hypothesis is thst Paul/Saul was an incel - assuming he wasn't a pseudonym.

[@DavidRichardson153]

I think that was also how Christopher Columbus got his crews for his first voyage: C. Columbus: "Gentlemen, this voyage is likely to be certain death!" Sailor: [in stereotypical Spanish accent] "I no care, Chris! Her mother, SHE LIVES WITH US! _DON'T LEAVE ME HERE!!"_

[@eyeswideopenapril]

This is absolutely spot on! Confirming all the confusion I totally had with the oxymoron that it’s not 😢. Glad I walked away 😅just in the last few months after 47 years! I truly read (the bible) which led to all the cognitive dissonance which led me out of this cult of Christianity

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Congrats on making it out! The first few months is a tricky place to be, hope its going well for you!

[@CZH3982]

47 years...same with me; OVER half my life! Wow.

[@eyeswideopenapril]

@@CZH3982 It’s a gift of REALITY. Sad that it robbed so much. Many happy moments/memories made outside, with upmost respect 🫡

[@betzib8021]

I used to go crazy trying to figure out if God was calling me to do this....or do that ..I never could figure it out.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

No one can, ha

[@jenna2431]

So proud to be so humble and worthless heir.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

There goes that lovely christian duality again.

[@elainejohnson6955]

When I was 13 years old, I had so many questions about God that my Mom couldn't answer. She frustratedly told me to go ask our pastor! So, I did. He couldn't answer my questions either. In order to get me off his back, he frustratedly told me that all the answers I was seeking were in the Bible and all I had to do is read it! So, I did. Within the first couple of chapters, I already had about 20 more questions than when I started reading it. I stopped writing down my questions because I realized there was no one to ask them to. I just had to keep reading it and I would get my answers. I read it cover to cover. I unwittingly became an Atheist without knowing what that even was. I had no idea it was a big deal not to believe in God. Other than going to church on Sunday, my family wasn't religious. I continued going to church in order to please my Mom and basically treated it like a social group where I got to hang out with my friends. Periodically, I would reflexively pray for things and other people. When I became an adult, I realized that some of my friends and family members really believed in the Bible God and it was a problem that I didn't. I thought maybe I just didn't understand the Bible because I was too young when I read it the first time. So, I read it again. Cover to cover. This time, I noticed even more contradictions, scientific discrepancies, mythological things that were ridiculous, and the misogyny and genocides, and God's cruelty really angered me to no end. I truly don't understand how anyone can believe in it. Or, how they could think the character of God is "good".

[@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279]

Got to agree with you. Especially telling you God is tri-omni all loving, just and good yet the character in the bible is a narcissistic monster. That's your brain on religion.

[@A-non-theist]

EXACTLY WHAT I BELIEVE ALSO. IT'S SICKENING.

[@raysalmon6566]

why didn't you read the gospels instead no you were not too young to read it

[@A-non-theist]

@@raysalmon6566 why read the Gospels when you need to read the all of the Bible. That way you can see exactly how despicable and horrific the mythical baby killer is. It's nothing but a blood cult

[@elainejohnson6955]

@@raysalmon6566 You obviously didn't read my whole post. I read the book cover to cover 2 times.

[@Lunarstar1323]

When I would have full on panic attacks, I would repeat like a mantra "god has not given me a spirit of fear" and I would rock back and forth in my chair. It didn't help. It took someone talking to me and asking me to describe how I was feeling to finally break me out of it. Now that I am on anxiety meds I rarely have panic attacks.

[@LunarEclipseIsCoool]

my moms cousin passed away of stage 4 lung cancer today. She was only 28 with a one year old baby and a husband. If god really does exist, hes cruel. and i know thats obvious, but the way she suffered was unforgiveable.

[@mattwaldrup9363]

But they'll excuse it saying he took her home cause he didn't want her to suffer anymore....ya know instead of healing her or keeping her from getting cancer in the first place. He can't lose..he has the best PR campaign if all time.

[@ChixieMary]

Yes Margaret, God really is the author of confusion. ❤ Another great video.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you kindly!

[@letsomethingshine]

"God" is a gothic god misspelled from Goth which is Gott which is misspelled from Gaut.

[@ChixieMary]

@@letsomethingshine And??? Your point?

[@TheMilitantMazdakite]

"God" is derived from the germanic word for "good". Also, why is this disagreement a bad thing? It happens in academia all the time.

[@ChixieMary]

@@TheMilitantMazdakite Wrong. The German word Gott means God. Not good. Gut = good. The Nazi belt buckle, Gott Mit Uns = God with us. The Bible is filled with contradictory and confusing nonsense. It's VERY CONFUSING. So if the Bible is directly from the god, it is the author of confusion. Thousands of different Christian denominations and splinter groups demonstrate that.

[@NikiWonoto26]

I'm from Indonesia, thank you for this youtube channel for being real, smart, & brave to speak the truth about Christianity. We seriously need more contents like this today.

[@Elusive.magick]

Thanks!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you so much for that!

[@casparuskruger4807]

The reason Christianity ( or any theistic religion ) is confusing, is because of strongly encouraging the use of faith as the preferred method to sustain an indoctrinated belief. This means all reference points of reality are automatically ignored, denied or besmirched if any proposition goes against whatever belief is held on faith. To the faithful, faith always wins, regardless of what is shown otherwise. Faith is simply having the ability to convince yourself of any lie you tell yourself, and look at that ability to do so as a badge of honor.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Perfectly stated!

[@nauticdixons]

It's the bottomless pit.

[@EricDurrant-k5z]

Excellent observation. This is exactly how I see it, only you're so much more concise.

[@salvadormartinez1965]

This is exactly what I mean about the need for consistency. But, people are so blinded in fanatism. Explanations like this can help people get clarity and think logically. Thank you again.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

My pleasure. Thanks for watching!

[@ambersummer2685]

Out of all the atheist channel I watched, it’s refreshing to see one that’s studied and thought deeply about the Bible. Not saying the others haven’t but they don’t discuss enough of the structure of the religion. Most channels talk about the philosophy of the Bible. Again not bad (I’ll admit some arguments I’ve heard aren’t that great), just glad to see the type of content and perspective of deconstructing I can relate to. This is how I deconstructed from Christianity

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Really appreciate that. Thank you!

[@AbsolutePixelMaster]

This here is what gradually began my own deconstruction, at least it was a large factor. There were those in my sphere that too claimed to be apostles, and much like Kathryn, I began to notice extreme inconsistencies in what they would say. On one hand I should have childlike faith and not lean on my own understanding of the Word, but on the other, I should study the word so as not to be mislead. Difficult questions regarding the issues with the bible were to be ignored, as that was Satan attempting to mislead me. It became increasingly clear that these "teachers" in my life were either extremely naïve, if they actually believed what they were saying, or showmen/con artists, if they didn't. Regardless, as someone who was genuinely seeking God, it really began to bother me how they didn't seem to have any form of introspection, it all came off much like a big loud parade, trampling anything in its path with no regard for (or even awareness of) the damage left behind. Also, your breakdown of the logic at 25:10 was amazing :D You really nailed it there.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Appreciate that, man. Thank you very much and you nailed it with the lack of awareness part. Id almost rather excuse the conmen. How many leaders in this faith are just willingly blind and dont want to peak behind the curtain because they are not brave enough to handle what they might find? Its inexcusable.

[@thestaciesmompodcast]

I absolutely love your videos! You are spot on, and your realization with how the bible can be interpreted so many different ways was the final straw in Christianity for me and what lead to my deconversion. I would really like to chat with you about coming on a few shows that I do ☺️

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thats so kind and sure. My email is in the description. Shoot me over what you’re thinking.

[@ZeusAssassin]

Absolutely right there. I can't stand the excuses, infighting, and constant confusion. I am glad to have escaped it since 2020 now.

[@thestaciesmompodcast]

@@MindShift-Brandon Awesome! Just emailed you! :)

[@andrewferg8737]

@@thestaciesmompodcast "That day Herod and Pilate became friends" (Luke 23)

[@BobLeach_DarkWolf]

Man. You are completely killing it. Great work as always bro.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you very much!

[@andrewferg8737]

"You are completely killing it" ----- Indeed. "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy" (John 10)

[@msskaggs3911]

Awesome Video. Sometimes it's like you've 'plucked out' these mental arguments that I've been mulling over but I can never put the words in the right order or use the perfect syntax, but you have an extraordinary way of explaining it. You even get eerily close to conversations/arguments I've had with my Christian friends and family and it really shows just how common, worn down and overplayed the vast majority of christian apologetics has become. I'm always impressed by you videos, and I think you're constantly improving as a presenter and (dare I say) teacher.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Man, that is all just so encouraging to hear. Thank you sincerely for taking the time to give the feedback. It means a lot. And yes, many have responded with something to the effect of I was just having this conversation, or man thats always been stuck in my head, etc. I think you are right, its all so similar because I think most people, if they are honest, have struggled with these issues at one point or another.

[@grantrobinson9129]

@@MindShift-Brandon Brutal and no-holds-barred 'honesty' is for the pivotal take-away here. We cannot deceive the still small voice within. Socrates called this his δαίμων (interesting: the word from which we get our 'demon'; and the thing that used to warn him against incorrect actions, but never told him what to do). Honest and diligent search for enlightened perspectives (not Absolute Truth .... not provisioned by science) leads the seeker not into Christianity, but out of it.

[@andrewferg8737]

Reptile: You really believe that? Come on, you're not really going to die. He's just being insecure. KZbinr: "Sometimes it's like you've 'plucked out' these mental arguments that I've been mulling over but I can never put the words in the right order"

[@James-wv3hx]

I love your shows so much, I'm trying to watch them all, but I end up watching your old videos over and over. Thanks again 😊

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Ha. So kind of thanks for being here for them all!

[@Jwhit91]

Freaking Bravo, man! Putting all that nonsense together and filling the gaps and showing the issues was so good!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Ha! Thanks John!

[@WilliamHaudaII]

Faith is hope despite reality...a great summation!

[@mainecoonmami]

Nothing more subjective than trying to follow the Word if God, yes!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

thanks for watching! I am just so fed up with hearing about the truth and objective morality from the most confusing book in history, ha.

[@julio4473]

You sir, are the smartest man on the internet right now. Thank you

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Well that is simply not true lol but thank you for your kindness and for being here!

[@drblaque521]

I love this video. It's so important that we logically thinking non believers address these important facts that believers conveniently ignore

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you! Appreciate that.

[@andrewferg8737]

"logically thinking non believers" --- That's a self-contradiction. In classical theology, God is Truth, which is synonymous with logic. Existence itself, logic, truth, or "to be" are ontological synonyms for the transcendent: that which is without beginning or end and which cannot 'not be' as demonstrate by antinomies like "there is no truth" or "nothing is". Existence in and of itself, or any of its synonyms, is the referent for the term God in classical theology

[@drblaque521]

@@andrewferg8737 it doesn't matter what theology says, theology isn't the standard for truth. That's why theology can make such meaningless statements, b/c theology isn't responsible for producing results. I don't give a damn about how theologians merge words to try and give themselves credibility "ontological synonym". There are over 4 THOUSAND gods, which one of them is truth, and how can you prove that?

[@andrewferg8737]

@@drblaque521 Then you ought to have written "logically thinking believers in logic".

[@cydelegs]

Been really enjoying the way you express and deconstruct stuff.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Oh glad to hear it man, thanks so much!

[@DoloresLehmann]

That was absolutely great! I say that as a Christian. There's hardly any better way to show the confusion of Christianity. Spot-on. Of course, I also would disagree on several issues, but that would also just add to the confusion and prove your point even further. Amazing! (Just in case, I'm not trying to be ironic here. I'm genuinely impressed.)

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Hey Dolores, thank you for your kind comment despite our disagreement. Hope you are well!

[@DoloresLehmann]

@@MindShift-Brandon I wouldn't even say we have a disagreement. I actually can agree to most things you say. It's just that my view of faith in general is so far away from "the norm" (however you want to define it), that whatever I said on the matter would open a totally different can of worms. Keep up your good work! Hope you are well, too.

[@winifredsmith4421]

​@@MindShift-BrandonAt the end of the day, snakes have never talked, and is beyond absurd that it would convince Gods creation to disobey him, is beyond the pale, the whole Eden story is just ridiculous, I am at the point where it's a challenge to mix with any one who believes all this nonsense in the bible, but unfortunately have to! They are friends and family!!! God ( no pun intended ) Help us!!!

[@chaoscontagion3208]

Holy crap. This video is fantastic. Subbed, and I'm sharing with friends.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Ha love that response! really appreciate that. Thank you so much for your support, man.

[@dimitrioskalfakis]

you made several good points including contradictions and confusion in 'the good news" message. however, i was struck by the person she portrayed outwards let alone her complicity (loaded term) in 'treating' those troubled individuals which tempts me to name her either a con artist feeding on the desperate and those in need or 'troubled' herself.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I agree. Cant know for sure. She might very well believe shes the good guy here but Christianity itself says its message is for the poor, weak, sick, broken. Its manipulative line that off the bat because those are who are easiest to control or convert. Shes preying on them in the name of her religion, the only question is how aware she is of that

[@redraven_the]

I cannot believe how calm you stayed during this. 😆

[@MindShift-Brandon]

lol, years of exposure therapy perhaps.

[@stephaniesmith9479]

I worked hard for what i have, I deserve the credit not god! A doctor saves a life, you hear people saying thank you Jesus blah blah! No, the doctor deserves the thanks! The hell I’ve gotten through from physical, sexual emotional abuse, drug addiction, I got through that by my strength! It makes me try harder! I got my life together, found the perfect mate, and becoming an atheist has helped me believe in myself, makes me want to enjoy my life now!

[@robertjimenez5984]

The world needs more Jim Jones and David Koresh. It looks like the more crazy they are the more followers they get. This lady is a perfect example.

[@ernestschultz5065]

Evangelical preaching is performance art.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

That one got s real lol from me. Thanks!

[@southernmanners1306]

This was phenomenal…I think, I don’t know because I’m so confused 😂 Great job as usual!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Lol! Love that. Thank you

[@Bnvivthepetstylist]

Omg I can’t stop laughing! You are so right at how confusing being a Christian is. I wanted to be a good Christian, I started to read and I was so confused. But God is NOT the author of confusion, right? If he’s not he certainly didn’t inspire this book

[@jacobcluff6382]

I love the music at the end; its a beautiful piece of satire. I was pondering if i should believe and follow you; but now i KNOW 🙏

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Ha! Thanks so much. Welcome!

[@reverendatheist7026]

Well done, good and faithful serv... I mean mindshift.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

ha! thank you

[@tennbones]

The fact that religion is so complicated is one of my major red flags! I was raised in the church since I was a wee little child. We went Sunday morning, Sunday night and Wednesday night. The fact that the Bible is so complicated and convoluted was always a red flag to me even as a kid. Why would god make salvation such a complicated maze? A few other topics that I would love to hear your viewpoint on, are the following 1. Jesus teaches to sell all you have and give to the poor. In the parking lot of the church there are numerous Mercedes and BMW‘s and everyone is wearing their thousand dollar suits and dresses and designer shoes isn’t that strange? Would this be another one of those situations that they the throw the parable flag out on or what? 2. I have people I work with and people in my family that actually go on about the mark of the beast being payment other than cash, especially the barcode implants that actually exist. Now I seldom pay with cash and have not paid with cash in years, I use my debit card. I use Apple Pay etc! It just seems ridiculous to me. It would be an interesting subject to cover. 3. I work with a lady that is a bible thumping Christian. She sit on her front porch the other evening, and seen a tornado rip a home a part in her neighborhood, and in the same sentence said the Lord sure did spare her family. Did the family at the end of the street have it coming lol? Just a few curiosities that I find interesting lol. Your take would be interesting brother 😊 PS the apostle in your video literally appears insane, even her eyes look crazy. Wow

[@MindShift-Brandon]

great points! and just three of millions that could be added to this list. Thanks for the suggestions also. I think a video on red flags is a great idea in and of itself!

[@PearlHandle]

#2 is familiar to me. Over time I've seen new technology change the narrative, e.g. the Mark of the Beast went from a tattoo to an implanted microchip.

[@tamjammy4461]

I too am impressed by this. Im an atheist myself , but,seeing as he's wuoted elsewhere in the comments iId like to share another of the great (unlike god) Christopher Hitchens observations. .. The problem with religious extremists isnt that theyre not interpreting the texts correctly. All too often, it's that they are.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Precisely. This is christianity on display biblically speaking. Thanks for sharing that.

[@LarsPallesen]

@MindShiftSkeptic One of Hitchen's sharp observations was that there should be nothing wrong with being a fundamentalist if the fundamentals of your religion are good.and sound. Imagine a fundamentalist humanist for instance. Nothing wrong with that. But why do we all know that a fundamentalist Christian is never a good thing? Remember Hitchen's words.

[@manuelbaez7148]

on point as always thank you brother, i learn so much from yur channel may you continue to grow here & inspire others cause we need you.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

So glad to hear it. Thank you much, my man

[@christopher7725]

Just discovered your channel. I’m really enjoying your videos. They are very well done

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Really appreciate that. Thank you very much!

[@healthyselfwithkristi7459]

I absolutely love the way you present your material! Brilliant!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks so much, Kristi. Really appreciate you letting me know!

[@ydg2136]

this video does a great job at encapsulating so many of the questions i would bring up to people from various churches when i was extremely sincere about the whole thing. during that time it seemed like i couldn't find a single person nearly as reasonable as you (or many of your viewers) on any matter. instead i would be told things like "just pray about it and he'll reveal it to you", or "we don't need to know everything" among many other responses. and these are churches who proudly claim to seek/possess truth. the general vibe was always them ultimately being clueless, and often a sense of them condescendingly hinting towards the idea that i'm the problem for having questions beyond their basic list of questions they'd be happy to answer. imagine your life is crumbling around you and you're surrounded by that, yet you're the only one who seems to see how confusing everything is. all the while trying your best to do EVERYTHING right with the personal relationship christian walk. that is the most lonely i have ever felt & i'm so happy to be free

[@MindShift-Brandon]

same answers I would get, its all just so silly. Why is everyone trying so hard, and against such odds, to hold on to these harmful or stupid ideas. Its so clear once you are out, but takes a while to sort out from the inside. Thank you for watching!

[@andrewferg8737]

"the questions i would bring up" ---- Like???

[@ydg2136]

@@andrewferg8737 If you are wanting to help me with answers to the questions, I'm no longer interested as my whole world view has changed since then as a result. Under the assumption that you're asking out of curiosity or another reason, I'll dig some of them up from my memory here: Note: When I would ask these questions they were 100% genuine from someone who believed it all & was desperately seeking for clarity. I was as kind and understanding as can be, never accusatory or even disagreeing. As I'm typing them now, I will be wording them in such a way that often reflects how I feel about it all today. It's a lengthy read so don't feel obligated to read all of it. 1. Since God is all knowing and knows things before they even occur. Why wouldn't he just not create people who he knew would end up suffering for eternity in hell? - I with my limited love experience the deepest kind of sadness when thinking about even a stranger being sent there. I would stop myself from creating the entirety of mankind if that's what it took to save just one person from meeting that fate. There's no universe where any amount of joy or greatness for other people can make up for even one person suffering in hell for eternity, if you actually love them. A father/mother wouldn't justify letting someone brutally murder their child by saying "But I did it because it's so important that my other child gets to experience this awesome birthday party I'm throwing for him, all of his friends are going to be there too it'll be great, let's focus on that". That example is on an infinitely smaller scale than what is actually happening here. We're talking about someone you love, being TORTURED in ways our minds can't even begin to grasp, not for 10 minutes, not for a year, not for a trillion years, forever. That is why I ask that question and cannot come to grips with any of the desperate attempts at an answer. 2. Why did God create Satan with the ability to turn on him in such a way as he did? While he knew it would happen and he knew every single thing that it would lead to. 3. We're told to confess/ask forgiveness when we sin. What happens when someone dies with unconfessed sin? Confessing your sin can be an easy concept to hold when you don't know enough about the bible to realize that sin doesn't just mean cheating on your spouse or saying a cuss word. There are thousands of known ways to sin, even thinking about sinning (i.e. looking at a woman with any form of lust in your mind) is sin. A very overlooked way to sin is fear. Every single Christian I've ever known has evident fear on a frequent basis. That's just the (usually blatant) fear that I, who doesn't live in their mind, can see. The vast majority of fear goes unseen, but the bible is clear that fear is sin. You could say they're living in sin because they have fear & they aren't ridding themselves of it, am I wrong? So what about that? They can confess it but it hasn't changed, so they're still sinning. What about the numerous other ways to sin or disobey that they're unaware of? What if they even took the time to take every measure to be aware of every single way possible to sin and tried to confess it all, but still had some they weren't aware of? What if they died while being unaware of it? Or what if they confessed their known sins 14 times one particular day, but told a white lie to someone, or maybe they had a moment of fear that their child wouldn't make it home today, and then they died before they got a chance to confess that? "Well that would be ridiculous" you might say, how's that? The bible says fear is sin, and that example I gave is fear. If you would argue that it's not, then who's drawing the line and where is it drawn? How are we to know these things? Do you see how ambiguous this is? It doesn't say fearing xyz is a sin, or fearing for a certain amount of time is a sin, it says fear is sin. So I'm to assume all fear is sin. 4. If us in the church are being led by/hearing from God, why do we all come to so many different conclusions on so many different topics? And there are so many differences between us and other churches who make the same claim of having that connection with God. 5. How can we be sure we're following the bible properly? To give one example: The bible could say "Believe on Jesus and you will be saved". We're talking about the difference in heaven and hell here so we need to be 100% clear, no? Not even 99% clear. What does it mean exactly to believe on Jesus? How does one believe? How can I know I believe? If I'm saved am I saved for good or does it go away depending on my actions? What if I believe at first, but then have a moment of doubt. What if I wasn't even aware I had that moment of doubt? What if I lived my whole life thinking I believed but I didn't actually? These are all perfectly valid questions about ONE verse you're expected to follow. On top of the thousands of other verses telling you what to do, what not to do, and how to do it. And depending on who you ask you'll get different answers for all of those questions.

[@ydg2136]

6. How can unbelievers, or even atheists who supposedly don't have/know God, treat me with more acceptance and real love than the average Christian? How can they be so talented or so happy? I can find equal or more genuine love, emotion, unity at a secular concert than I've ever seen in church, and that's their claim to fame with "God's presence" 7. How do I know my way is the right way? With so many thousands of denominations in Christianity alone, all following the bible which has thousands of translations, containing thousands of verses each having their own interpretation depending on who you ask, how could I EVER assume I'm right and 99.99% of the population is wrong? Most of these topics we're talking about could easily be the difference in eternal paradise or eternal torment. Yet even if you stick to the same translation, or happen to pick one of the correct denominations, you're STILL going to have so many different interpretations and ideas on almost every different topic depending on who/where you ask, and when you ask them. 8. Since God says he is no respecter of persons (doesn't use favoritism), why does he reveal himself to certain people and not everyone? There are millions of people supposedly dying and going to hell by the year, of which he could save just about all of by simply revealing himself to them in ways that he has done for others in the bible (and as some claim even happens today). Why not to me? Why not to the mom who's dying of cancer while praying and relying on faith? If she's "doing something wrong" concerning prayer/faith, then why wouldn't he simply reveal that to her? 9. Why isn't the bible more clear on supposedly the absolute most important thing in anyone's life ever: being saved? There are only a few verses that even mention it. And the amount of detail/explanation is shockingly small. You can find much more detail on how to properly sacrifice an animal. If it were as serious as it's claimed to be, I would have put precise details at the beginning, the end, and everywhere in between on exactly how it has to be done. Yet it remains one of the most ambiguous topics in a book filled with ambiguity. Imagine being a foreigner who gets his hands on this book, and has to read through hundreds of pages before even getting a hint at how be saved from eternal damnation. Or even if he was aware of the concept of being saved, and while on the verge of death was franticly trying to find and figure out how to be saved. It makes no sense for it to be this way. 10. Since the bible very clearly says that God is love, AND it says that love keeps NO record of wrongs, why is our whole religion based on revealing sin to people, stopping sin, sinning less, confessing sin, condemning people? Why is the number 1 motivator and recruiter for our religion the fear of doing wrong and going to hell? (& Why are we cherrypicking laws from the old testament such as tattoos and homosexuals just because many of us ourselves don't like those things? We know that there are 613 laws derived from the same place right? Why are we picking ones like those and flat out ignoring so many others? And now I'm having to teach my brain that people aren't wrong for getting tattoos or having same sex attraction, instead of just being able to purely love them fully and unfiltered like I've never witnessed a Christian do) These questions and so many more (Brandon mentions a lot of them) are ones that would run in the back of my mind constantly as I sought help from people who were also clueless, and/or told things along the lines of "just pray about it and he'll reveal it to you". I'd continue praying many times per day and none of the questions were ever resolved, so I'd ask for further clarity and get the same type of reply. If it was someone I had spoken to before, they'd often seem to get frustrated with me and ask me questions like "why are you so rigid?" or accusing me of having sin in my life because of the anxiety I had as a result of not feeling secure which was directly due to questions like these. I had hundreds of more questions that I'd run into on specific topics or verses in the bible which I wouldn't include due to how much the beliefs vary depending on which sect you're in at the time. I'm an introvert so I would've never even talked to anyone about any of this unless they were a close friend, however as things became worse and worse, I was forced to start doing everything I could to figure these things out. It seems that the more you accept things at face value and go along with it all, the more you'll fit in and not have issues. That's what I did as a child, until I grew, learned to read, and eventually made the choice to actively seek God after seeing people pray for healing, and watching family members die while even my own parents in the same church were split on why it happened. That was the breaking point that made me say to myself that I needed to get to the bottom of how this all works. I'm not better than anyone for having made that choice, it led to thousands of hours of seeking, some times 12 hours/day. I didn't do it because I was so good, I did it because I needed to know the truth, I was suffering badly from these concepts I'd been given. I have empathy for people who are in the whole thing still. A lot of them will judge & question the authenticity of people like me and Brandon however, and I get that. What I don't get is how they either remain oblivious or refuse to have a second thought about the fact that the very things they blindly hear/read, believe in and shape their lives around are based on 1 person/church's beliefs which will vary from location to location, denomination to denomination, from translation to translation, interpretation to interpretation. That's all, hope someone found that helpful or interesting in some way since I accidentally deleted it and had to write it all twice, haha.

[@Eunice.Aceto75]

Friend, I read it all. I can feel your suffering whilst reading. I would attempt to try and answer some of those questions, but this is an inappropriate place (youtube). In the mean time I will pray for you, if it's OK, cause one thing I'm sure of: Jesus can still reveal Himself to you if you have searched for Him in earnest, which it seems to me you did. But don't give up. You're right: we are a mess. All of us. But He is the answer to each question and each problem. God bless you

[@alohaohana901]

Thank you for making the "pretty music" observation. This needs to be addressed much more. When these people are preparing videos and editing, there is absolutely no doubt they are injecting just the right type of music at just the right tone coupled with just the right earnest looking facial expressions. Most Christians do not recognize this as shameless manipulation.

[@itkirk]

"This is the CONFUSION of Christianity, as CLEAR as I can state it to you", great quote dude!! Keep on dissecting the hypocritical nature of religion. I'm enjoying your videos.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

So appreciate that, man. Thank you!

[@tulpas93]

Thank you so much for all of your work! Amazing videos, Brandon!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

My pleasure! Thank you much

[@studiosandi]

Another impactful video thank you for making it❤

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Always my pleasure!

[@joyfichtner2581]

Love all your stuff, this one spoke to me in a different way - especially your conclusion. Thanks for providing some form of community for those of us who lost theirs when they left the church

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Appreciate that!

[@silvertail7131]

I get the feeling this is putting her in a sort of, emotion driven, euphoric state. We all have them, those moments when you're so impassioned about something you're just rattling off what may or may not be coherent in an attempt to express the emotion. I think I've seen a lot of this in the relatively young proponents of faith, they avoid logic, they know it's not their friend, and speak of how real the emotion they're feeling is, essentially.

[@bojack2740]

Man, the level of detail you break these down is amazing.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Glad to hear it. Thank you for saying so.

[@digbycrankshaft7572]

Love your work. You highlight the horrible mess of the bible and Christianity which no omnipotent, omniscient being would ever allow.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you very much! Appreciate you being here.

[@amygrowls]

Excellent analysis.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you very much.

[@davidfitnesstech]

Appreciate the discussion. Been watching you for a good while. Your channel is one of my *faves* alongside *Paulogia* and *PineCreek etc..* - Your Friendly Atheist :-)

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you for that! Ive come to watch both of those gentlemen now and feel honored to be next to them in your sentence.

[@VisiblyPinkUnicorn]

Every time I hear an apologist talking about Satan I roll my eyes... like... yes please, explain to me why the angel that has been punished for having rebelled against God is now pushing people to follow in his footsteps so then he can punish them for having rebelled against God...

[@MindShift-Brandon]

lol i love this point.

[@DearDawah]

It’s a shame that an athiest can see how clearly contradictory and ridiculous this woman is yet Christians who allegedly have the Holy Spirit to discern (and should be reading the Bible), fail to see it and follow her. I say this as a Christian too. Well done. I really like the way you speak. You’re very intelligent and respectful.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you kindly

[@SkywalkerSamadhi]

They see it. They just try their best not to.

[@JohannRosario1]

Well, you might be surprised to know how many christians will sit quietly in her service, listen to her message only to take it with a grain of salt saying "well maybe, maybe not. It's a bit contradictory and ridiculous, but Im sure this applies to someone, I guess".

[@davidfitnesstech]

I think the *music* she used in her videos was really what *compelled me the most.* I could feel my *emotions and feelings* really kicking in ;-)

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Lol. It’s gonna ruin it for me. I love good intro and outro music to set the stage but its hard not to see it all as manipulative now. Thanks a lot kathryn

[@Vhlathanosh]

Every time I hear that music, in my mind, I know they're trying to manipulate me. The Hillsong documentary made me watch out for these tactics. I'm always on my guard.

[@differentdestiny]

I like your perspectives, thought proccess and logic, I hope you eventually do longer content and delve deeper into each of your points and conclusions.❤

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you very much. I have been avoiding longer content as I wasnt sure the attention spans out there for deep dives in these subjects. What is your ideal video length?

[@eyefightevol]

Brandon you are hilarious, the cuts in this video had me rolling

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Lol thanks!

[@kalloyd05]

Super well laid out video. Thanks for it! Subbed

[@MindShift-Brandon]

My pleasure! thanks for joining the fam!

[@MadamHazel]

i've been really enjoying this channel because you hit on the two key points that ended up with my deconversion, the incoherence of the Christian god and the fact that the Bible thumping extremists that cause so much harm are, in fact, the most faithful to the words of the bible. I always heard "just focus on god" but which god? The one who thinks we're disgusting and worthless or the one who thinks we're his children? The one who answers all prayers except not like that or that or that? and like you mentioned in the video, yes you can "reconcile" the bible's bigotry and lack of morality in comparison with what we know today (that women aren't inferior to men, slavery is bad, etc) by blatant cherry-picking and ignoring or sweeping under the rug of "metaphor" and "historical context", but at what point do you have to stop and go hey, why am i doing this? why not just drop all of it entirely instead of tying myself up in knots over something that was incoherent in the first place? anyway, great video! love your presentation of points - it's great to see it all like this, because there are pastors everywhere doing this kind of flip-flopping every sunday

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you so much for the wonderful comment.We are on the same page for sure! Glad we both figured it out and are free of this insanity. Appreciate you being here and your support!

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

Yes, those that are the most faithful, and you really can see the truest fruit.

[@kathrynyoung3362]

Just found your channel today and I’ve been binging it all day! I’m finding it really intellectually stimulating. I’ve been on this journey away from religion for a long time, and it’s so valuable to hear you validate thoughts and questions I’ve had. Thank you, again for this content.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Hey! Welcome to the family. Thanks so much for being here and glad its useful!

[@kevinvaters2526]

Loved the beautiful “invitation music” at the end. We’ll placed lol.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

lol, had to lol!

[@kevinvaters2526]

@@MindShift-Brandon And if I may be so bold to add, it was quite brilliant on your part to do that as it really demonstrates how manipulative the whole system is. A moving of the Holy Spirit they say? I think not. I was a part of that for 20 years and it’s so free to be out. Thanks for your work sir.

[@bradypustridactylus488]

Christopher Hitchens said “we are created sick and commanded to be well.” I suffer from refractory generalized anxiety disorder. The last time the condition went into a crisis, I consulted a psychiatrist. I spent the hour telling him all of the research, self therapy, clinical therapy, psychiatric drugs, self monitoring protocols, quackeries, and techniques I had used to control it. I also told him the times I refused treatments that I felt were abusive or destructive, and the times I submitted to such against my better judgement. After an hour of this, he agreed with me that I had probably exhausted the treatments available. But when I met him afterward by chance in the hallway of the medical facility, he said, "You need to take ownership of your own behavior." In the end I was thrown back on my own devices. "Created sick and commanded to be well." This is emblematic of the help Christianity purports to offer. You will always be thrown back on your own devices, no matter what mental gymnastics you use to deny it.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I am really sorry to hear about your struggles and that is just disgusting from him also. More so though, i hate how the christian community at large still handles mental health issues. Not everyone can be helped by every therapy or drug, but so many can be, and they instead go to get oil, prayer, more faith etc.

[@bradypustridactylus488]

@@MindShift-Brandon Accepting the ownership of one's behavior is an existential imperative. I just looked up and listened to Clint Black's Wherever You Go (There You Are). All of the ways I used to demonstrate my ownership to the man meant nothing. (The way I ended Church Social Services' gay conversion therapy was even more brutal, but essentially the same.) The Apostle can skate around her polished surface of evasions, equivocations, and incoherencies, but she cannot escape nor can she help anyone else escape the fact, "wherever you go, there you are." In both this version of psychiatry and Christianity, the problem as I see it is the heuristic dead end generated by Cartesian dualism.

[@nathanober4091]

OK man. I just gotta reach out here and tell you how much I appreciate everything you are saying! I am a youngest pastors kid who followed the path to the mission field, Seminary, etc...compliant to the end...I've called myself the poster child of my upbringing...fundamentalist, dispensationalist...questions started in my teens but I kept pressing on...the western church show was the first awakening after my trip to New Guinea at 17. My first college glorified "ministry"... then I transferred to Moody in downtown Chicago, exposing me to homeless and wealthy all at once. All the while I was angry that my parents ignored me, making the church priority...I established from scripture that elders are simply that...older men with adult children who want the office... Dad was "called" from the farm to pastor at 16...His work ethic and focus and loyalty were impeccable...kind, dutiful and dependable 100%.... but I never kn knew him. My biggest thing was that the Bible is NOT the Word of God. My conclusion is that Jesus is. (Following the fathering of 4 sons then graduating Seminary) my marriage broke. After 17 yrs of child support, alcoholism, and survival mode I'm back and reconciled with my 4 magnificent sons)... they want truth! I'm constantly searching so I can lead them properly. To wrap this up, I just want to say that you make complete sense to me. The only thought I'm grappling with is the possibility of other divine entities confusing the narrative in relation to humanity? When evil claimed to make itself like the most high, the devil being referred to as God of this world and prince and power of the air...I don't think Yahweh and the father of Jesus are the same divine entity...perhaps Jesus was studying other things from 12 to 30...we see how enlightened he was at 12. Yet aren't we all children of God?...Forgeries, empirical manipulation etc...could it be that the watchers created the world and us...God is spirit yet we're in "their" image....could it be that Jesus came to satiate the demands of another Divine entity?... This would make sense to me ... Godspeed brother!!❤

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Hey man. What a struggle. So sorry to hear how difficult it has been but so pleased to Hear how its going! I am open to a creator but i dont see any reason to believe that some other mans claim of god is correct. If there is a real god and if he really wanted us to know about him, we would.

[@nathanober4091]

Man ipulation Man ufacturing We are more than these flesh suits and I don't think we believe that enough..live by faith. Not by sight... it's so twisted yet the answer is behind which door?

[@nathanober4091]

I am presently exploring other ancient manuscripts... when the church holds fast to the Bible as God's word... it's completely destructive!!

[@nathanober4091]

Bottom line .... I'm worthless yet divine... wtf????

[@nathanober4091]

Maybe we weren't intended to be so self conscious and autonomous

[@devaunramsey923]

I would say this is a good video commentary on how confused Kathryn’s teaching is. The confusion I see coming out of Christianity is usually rooted in personal error / lack of contextual understanding of what the scripture is saying for a specific people, or for all people generally . Most of the criticism of confusion I see is on the conflation of the old and new covenants. The covenants are for different eras of time, ie different people groups. As a Christian I enjoyed this video. I see you’re following logic fairly well, as far as I understand the parameters of logic.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Appreciate the kind words despite our differences.

[@Bistra4982]

Man you are awesome, you wife is a winner!! 🥇

[@basementmadetapes]

The demon possession stuff was also my church reality. It took me a long time to leave, and I deconstructed my way out the door one concept at a time, diving further and further in realizing the whole time that if god exists, it couldn’t be like this. I embraced a selective walk. It made me a heretic and a better person and finally I checked out entirely. I don’t call myself an atheist, I don’t call myself a theist. I think the only god w us is us, tho. Mainly if your walk makes u better for the disenfranchised, the vulnerable and the needy, then keep the path. Everything else is noise. I leave this cuz I love this quote: There is no god and we are his prophets. The Road, Cormac McCarthy

[@tsebosei1285]

11:15 preach again you nailed it

[@michaelbradley7529]

The only constant I see in Christianity and its believers is the constantly shifting goal posts.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Consistent inconsistency!

[@JustinCase-em6ql]

Why? There is no need for it.

[@japexican007]

Woke Atheist says: “Hey man you need to prove that your view is valid to me based on my own criteria and working within an arbitrary frame that I set up that a priori rules out your viewpoint haha can’t do it huh, well looks like I win again”

[@JustinCase-em6ql]

@@jacliveshere I've never had to do that rationalization, so I wouldn't know.

[@michaelbradley7529]

@@japexican007 That strawman is big enough to feed an entire field of cattle. 🤦‍♂

[@chrisbyrne17]

Glad to see more fantastic content

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you much!

[@zap...]

These hardcore Christians have had some hardcore trauma. This is mental illness gone completely unchecked and is being enabled and reinforced in her environment.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Yes. Its just so very sad

[@edwardsmyth6506]

Excellent video. Just discovered your channel. Will keep watching.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks so much. Glad to have you here.

[@ziploc2000]

When the light piano track kicks in you know it's total emotional manipulation. I don't think she believes any of her schtick, she has just figured out how to grift from her victims. Her message is all over the place and they don't see the problem.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I could see her still believing it, but also going your way, we just cannot know. What is amazing is the lack of "discernment" from her congregation, but when you prey on the week, they are not usually the ones to see it. Thus why her, at the behest of the scriptures, reaches out to the sick, poor, "possessed" etc.

[@PrometheanRising]

It would be interesting to see what the extent of her healing claims are? The faith healer I went to observe a month or so ago made claims that I do not think a person could actually believe including things like healing the blind, and restoring missing limbs, and raising the dead. If the claims are too far out there, she's putting on a show.

[@DearDawah]

@@PrometheanRisingresearch her. There are tons of videos exposing her. Even showing the wacky African guy who “anointed” her as an “apostle”. I think she believes it tbh. She has those Kenneth Copeland eyes though 🐍

[@philyeary8809]

Agree with your channel, and i agree your stance on the L A lady pastor. Subscribed.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks for joining!

[@umbomb]

There are a lot of people for whom facts (and rationality in general) don't much matter.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

and that would be fine, if the result wasnt like this lol!

[@umbomb]

@@MindShift-Brandon This woman is a good example of why "religious" institutions should be taxed- they're just too attractive to ambitious con artists.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I will Never understand why we don’t tax them.

[@umbomb]

@@MindShift-Brandon “History is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake," James Joyce (through "Stephen Daedalus")

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Stephen Daedalus is my man! The Portrait Of The Artist As A Young Man, is tied for number 1 for me.

[@Indie0319]

Wow, this video was so so so good! Excellent work Brandon!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you! Really appreciate your feedback

[@Joe-bw2ew]

Mahatma Gandhi:" I would have become a Christian, if I had not met so MANY Christians"

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I have never heard that. Love it!

[@manueltraverso4528]

I can only say thank you for such great content.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

my pleasure, thank you for watching!

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

Growing up Southern Baptist, there never really seemed to be much wiggle room when it came to female preachers: that's a no-no. And besides that, Ms. Krick has styled hair, painted fingernails, makeup, and ample jewelry. Somebody ain't been reading too closely. 😂 It's funny though, when I really started deconstructing, I remembered back to the "silent in the churches" verse, and then I thought of all the women in the churches I'd been to that made up the choirs. And I was like, "Nah; if I ain't good enough to even open my mouth, then I don't guess I'll be singing any praises." But nothing against Ms. Krick; she means well.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I originally had pictures of her showcasing each of these things. Braided hair. Gold jewely etc coming up to match as i read the verse but cut it at the end lol.

[@PearlHandle]

The women may have kept silent in the church, but that didn't mean they kept silent in the church hall or at home.😅

[@watson5551]

Another Mindshift home run...... thank you for your hard work.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you!

[@makeapositivedifference]

"All they were doing is what modern Christian's today would probably do." ( In reference to the Pharisees)...YES. I have said that so many times. Especially in the modern non denominational corporate churches, but not exclusively.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Sometimes i wish Jesus was real so he could come back again and i could see how it would go.

[@joshkoman8865]

Man the music hit just right at the end. I really FEEL like god is telling me he isn’t real. Thats craaaazy

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Ha!