12ga. THUG SLUGS - A shotgun slug with massive energy X-fer

Tommy Rad, sent us some BALLISTIC PRODUCTS "Thug Slugs". These are 1oz, and are sold to hand loaders. (folks that re-load their own ammo)
The wadding stays attached to the lead slug in flight and helps to keep the slug flying straight through the air. While these slugs may look very similar to the Brenneke slugs, the results were quite different. However, each slug has its own application so if are looking for something with low over-penetration, this might be the slug for you.
More information about the BALLISTIC PRODUCTS Thug Slugs:
www.ballisticproducts.com/Thug...
The Wound Channel:
/ wjpurnell
Load data:
20 grains Red Dot
9000psi
1335 FPS

[@RealCheesyBread]

I didn't choose the slug life. The slug life chose me.

[@nickbruns4154]

"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle."

[@ericfaulk2204]

There's a common misconception that higher penetration means better stopping power. In fact the reverse is true. You want the projectile to dump all its kinetic energy into the target, causing cavitation. This is why hollow points are so effective against unarmored flesh.

[@nighthowler8107]

Some hollow points penetrate more than others and with a freakin shotgun slug it really doesn't matter

[@FISHBOY1210]

Thank you Nick for your service in the Marine Corps

[@thesouth1]

"Thug Slugs" LOL I thought they may come out of the barrel sideways, talking shit or something >_>

[@gabebaooo656]

lmaooo

[@kikovenegas1325]

Lmao

[@jueeceinahoven7213]

+thesouth1 BANG " SWAGNIIIiiiiiiiiggggaaaa........ " Hits metal.

[@GunFunZS]

Thanks Jeff. Also Tommy Rad. Another good video series to compare these too is Brobee 223's videos on various slugs for hunting. The alloy used makes a very big difference in terminal performance.

[@darangemaster1]

doesn't surprise me about the Brenneke slugs as they are designed for deep penetration on large dangerous animals. these slugs would be very good for predators of the two legged kind. IMHO

[@Sideshowbobx]

+darangemaster1 way too much over penetration - unless you want to stop a on speeding car full of thugs. And even then you might get plenty of over penetration out of these Brennekes.

[@notpulverman9660]

+darangemaster1 Ridiculous excess.

[@garylowe8601]

Good on ya Nick. Your doing a service to your county.

[@CopperJacketTV]

No better way to top off a test than ballistic gummies. Very cool of The Wound Channel. Great guy

[@taofledermaus]

+The Daily Shooter lol thanks!

[@MountainStorm]

I like your current format of progressing through the different camera footage. Interesting test too.

[@taofledermaus]

+Mountain Storm Thank you! I'm slow to learn!

[@joshuakellogg4429]

I love high speed video. It's fascinating to see what is too fast for our eyes to see. So much happens in such a short span of time! Cool video and great shooting.

[@taofledermaus]

+Joshua Kellogg thanks Joshua!!

[@akmaistomods]

What do you do? "I shoot shotgun lead at shotgun lead to see the damage. Oh and gummy bears."

[@owen5452]

And play with mercury

[@pickindigger1428]

Another great shooter and another great video!

[@taofledermaus]

+pickindigger thank you! Nick wants to shoot more with us so hopefully we'll see more of him.

[@gthomas1421]

Excellent narration/dialogue. High quality video. Nice job Flader! Loving your work brutha.

[@taofledermaus]

+G Thomas I can't talk IMHO , but thank you! lol

[@bigsky12001]

I just wanted to give a shout out to the shooter, Well Done Marine (Nick)! Thanks for your service, and also the Slugs was pretty awesome my hat off to you and the folks that sent them to you. Great job!

[@taofledermaus]

+bigsky12001 thanks! I'm sure Nick will appreciate that. We will try to have him shoot with us again.

[@NobleMaN79]

These seem like they would be good self-defense rounds. That might be why they are called 'Thug Slug'

[@RCSuperPowers]

I'm a thug and I approve these slugs.

[@taofledermaus]

+RCSuperPowers I heard you were the toughest guy on the cul de sac.

[@knyghtkrawlr]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS lol

[@RCSuperPowers]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS Dey call me Rick O Shay.

[@gtrbarceder1454]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS no one fucked with me back in the days of 'nam

[@assbread5950]

+RCSuperPowers i am a slug and i approve these thugs.

[@jeremyjames83]

The energy this thing releases on impact is intense.. Great home defense round.. i would love to see you shoot some meat with it..

[@riverk5156]

somewhere around 3:50 I really liked that little pyewwww sound lol

[@triggertalk7755]

3:57, that ricochet sounded really cool, another great vid Jeff! thanks bud! keep calm and Kapooyaah on. ..

[@billyminter3582]

Nice shooting, Devil Dog! Semper Fi!

[@tomar5e115]

I really like how you are grateful for the support of others and how you give credit where credit is due. Thanks for keeping youtube honest

[@taofledermaus]

+tomar5e115 thanks!!

[@scotts.2624]

Well you mostly find thugs in a city. Over penetration is a bad thing in a city. Its best if the projectile does not leave what it was fired at. If it misses then it wont bounce off a brick wall and wipe out some kid. Nor is it likely to slice through an old wood row house and into the one next door. That is a round I would feel ok with using in a urban environment.

[@scotts.2624]

HortonKansas Yes it is called Methamphetamine. It does not get rid of vermin as quick as the Thug Slug. However I think a Thug slug would also appropriately deal with a meth dealer as well as it would deal with a gang member. Of course lets not forget the sub humans that sell heroin. The Thug Slug would solve the problem of those vermin also.

[@bruno640]

+Scott S. You play chess much? That was a pretty smooth checkmate you done there. "Nipped it in the bud!", like Barney Fife would say! (Nope, I've never touched a chess board, even though I'm pretty good at checkers and crosswords...!☺)

Really? You don't get out in the suburbs or rural areas much do you.....

[@Titus-as-the-Roman]

Scott S., thought your comments were very reasonable, in fact you stole all my thunder, I am a very reasonable person, just have this thing about the apparent mandatory loud mouth smart alec you find in every comment post. I wonder how well these work out in Loud Mouth Smart Alec Land.

[@abitofapickle6255]

I chose #4 buck for my doctrine. Go to room, call 9-1-1, and if they come in my room... Blast em.

[@elektro3000]

Great comparison, and that's some nice shooting! I do love the Ballistic Bears.

[@taofledermaus]

+elektro3000 haha thanks!

[@andyschrock8832]

Thank you Nick

[@aeronwilliams94]

another good one cheers ol boy

[@npr386]

Good shooting Marine!

[@ZiggZacc]

After each of your videos, I sometimes want a good laugh. So I scroll down and read all the hateful comments/inquires to satisfy my needs. Anyone else?

[@taofledermaus]

+Zaccur White The crazy comments usually show up a lot later. lol

[@ZiggZacc]

Oh don't worry, i'm warming up the popcorn as we speak.

[@darkgael0]

I have used the Thug Slug extensively. I use a Mossberg 695 bolt gun rifled barrel. I copied data from Hubel’s “12 gauge Shotgun from Hell” series (posted on just about every shooting forum on the Internet). The slug is loaded into Rocky Mt Cartridge Co. lathe turned brass hulls. The powder load was 80 grains of IMR 4759. I have not chrono’d this load. According to Hubel, whose testing is extensive, this is a safe load...within normal pressures for a shotgun slug. Very accurate out to 100 yards, the farthest that I have shot it. Have also tried 40 grains of Steel.

[@pepperspray7386]

I hope more people use these slugs. This lead armor I bought has to be good for something.

[@taofledermaus]

+Pepper Spray haha

[@JesseAndMike]

Another awesome video!! :D Seeing those gummy bears in slow motion is kinda sad LOL! Liked! :)

[@taofledermaus]

+JesseAndMike Thank you Jesse and Mike! I'm surprised these bears have taken so many shots! Might be able to get a few more shots on them before I need to recast them.

[@triggertalk7755]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS you haven't recast them yet? ?? they must contain "Wolverines" dna ... or maybe it was created by "cyberdyne" like the T-1000, but gelatin.

[@taofledermaus]

I will re-dress them using a heat gun and that seals up the holes pretty well.

[@misterdeedeedee]

i like how the action kept unlocking on every shot

[@NotHisRealName]

Another great video. Shooter was bang on (pun intended). Great marksmanship.

[@taofledermaus]

+NotHis RealName Yeah, he was a great shot! thanks!!

[@kencurtis508]

Great video, thanks.

[@tofudelivery8101]

Somebody make a kickstarter to fund him a better high speed camera

[@taofledermaus]

+Wong Zuohan People forget that is taxable income. I'd have to sell my house to pay the tax bill.

[@carbon1255]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS set the kickstarter at the tax adjusted level. Or claim back the tax in expenses for the camera.

[@tofudelivery8101]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS Private donations then?

[@johanstrannelind3045]

Could you maby mold a WHISTLE into a wax slug and shoot it out on a field, so that it flies as long as it can? I guess it won't sound anything because of the pressure waves in front of it, but maby? If it did in fact work that could be awesome!

[@12799MaDeuce]

I was typing a comment about the Brenneke when you made that remark...

[@playdemblues]

Good job! Thanks for the info.

[@taofledermaus]

+Steve Crunk thanks Steve!

[@SPguns]

Hi my friend...which program do you use for the high speed shots? How do you minimize your screen for high speed maximum resolution?

[@daileyoutdoors7832]

Sweet video.

[@Uniquelyyours1]

Your channel is so interesting to watch. I'm a tie dyer and I always wondered what would happen if you could somehow put dye in a shotgun shell and fire it at a pair of white cotton jeans or white jacket, shirt, etc. Subbed:)

[@jeremypaluck4246]

there is a local shop which uses these in their shells. now I know where they get those funny looking slugs!

[@buzzbbird]

I think these are GREAT antipersonel slugs! The fact that the energy dissipates quickly and there is not overpenetration, means the danger of collateral damage im limited and the damage inflicted is maximized.

[@macmurfy2jka]

More like anti-thug, thus the name!

[@krookimuss]

That name is brilliant!

[@Mastapoole]

Great video and testing these look awesome.

[@taofledermaus]

+Mastapoole thanks!

[@Friedrich-Wilhelm-1980]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS that should make this a good deer slug right?

[@Jake-fl3mc]

It's an expansion tank. When you heat water it expands and the tank is designed to take that extra pressure off your water piping system so the t&p valve on your water heater doesn't keep dumping

[@roger_revo]

I suggest putting a sandbag on the block of wood and resting the fore end of the shotgun on the sandbag. This would protect the barrel of the shotgun and raise the shotgun which make it a more comfortable shooting position.

[@alsipes7432]

I am new to and subbed your channel.... you guys do some very cool experiments..

[@DocIlpalazzo]

The narrator sounds like he would be a good narrator for Rick and Morty Interdimentional Cable.

[@taofledermaus]

+Alan Cutting Lol, I'm the first to admit that I am a horrible speaker.

[@sherman128]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS Honestly there's something strangely soothing about your narration that goes well with the video of things getting shot to pieces. You're doing just fine haha

[@cadespencer6320]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS shoot a mini jaw breaker at a giant jaw breaker you hate those so you would wanna see them die

[@johnsiders7819]

Be good for close quarter home defense shot guns. I think that's what they had in mind and for urban streets for the 2 legged thugs I will check these out .

[@JP-xh4fq]

A Canadian company called "Score" loads these commercially. I have a couple thousand and they are awesome. The listed weight is a bit misleading though as it includes the weight of the wad. 1 1/8 oz comes in at 1oz of lead.

[@josephrodriguez2780]

That's an excellent slug a man stopper. Little dump all its energy in the body

[@livingchutoy5422]

Love the Slow Mo of the Impact at 5:48

[@taofledermaus]

+Christopher Adams thanks!

[@davesmith6173]

Much like the old Activ slugs,they had a red hull.The wad was connected to the slug and did not come off.I know this because I found many inside deer when i dressed them.They were extremely accurate out of smooth bore shotguns.I still have a bunch for home defense.

[@lukeolson4313]

How many is many?

[@lbcsv]

Great slug

[@jeremypaluck4246]

therr is a local shop which uses these in their shells. now I know where they get those funny looking slugs!

[@johnhalchishick6557]

NICE shooting

[@mementoelektra]

Tommy Rad has sent you a message :-D ..... wait no... Thug life!

[@kuttinkuddy3905]

hornady shud be calling you....rcbs somebody! keep up the great vids.

[@taofledermaus]

+Kuttin Kuddy Haha, I wish!

[@nthedecent7717]

Thug Slugs: They don't destroy the T.V. you put in front of it, they steal it!

[@taofledermaus]

+Rakermul ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ lol!!

[@tacticalairgunner2042]

cool vid guys

[@pastorlarry7470]

I know these are old videos but they just keep popping up on my channel and I love it. I am sitting between two worship services watching videos about slugs. LOL You let other people shoot, you need a retired Air Force Mechanic and now preacher to shoot for you guys. LOL Another great video

[@mattv2099]

I think it was more like twelveteen hunned fps there, brah. you're slippin. good video!

[@ArmyBratz12]

Can you fill and Ak with jello?

[@taofledermaus]

+MattV2099: Guns & Food Lies of fake.

[@ArmyBratz12]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS Can someone please fill an ak with jello?

[@Cookie5345535524]

+TylerTheLizard Gaming xD interesting.

[@ArmyBratz12]

+Ernests Lenss We need aks filled with jello man we need them

[@atypicalhomosapian4762]

those would be great for home protection, because they dont go through the target... another great video, thanks man

[@taofledermaus]

+atypical homo sapian I'm thinking the same thing!

[@jackrex7817]

I love how youre right about not getting as many sponsors for the channel. Youve had more viral videos on CNN than any other youtube gun channel and no love.

[@taofledermaus]

+Jack Rex (MashedPotatoJK) That's ok, it helps keep us honest!

[@dimamax5372]

I've used what you call "thug slugs" few years ago. Bought them from Italy (they advertised them as "deer slug" due to less penetration and soft lead) and load them with 2,3 grams Unique in a fiocchi cartridge with a 616 primer and the result was..perfect. A very accurate slug up to 80 meters. I shot a roe deer in a distance of 90 meters and the 27 kgs male collapsed in the spot. For me it is a great slug unless you want to shoot brickwalls or steel doors.

[@WaschyNumber1]

Thank you very much for the Answer :-)

[@Billthebaker420]

another thumbs up video...

[@ronniesanchez3432]

hell yea!!!..new vid:)

[@MasterofTongs]

Nick is one of the only other people that I've seen using that kind of headset, which is surprising because they work so well.

[@taofledermaus]

+Steven Wagner I have a pair of those that I offer shooters to wear but they like the little foamy orange band ones better.

[@MasterofTongs]

Well they're missing out. Being able to hear while AND after shooting is awesome.

[@taofledermaus]

Yeah, but sweaty ears aren't fun either. lol

[@bobthompson4319]

when I processed wild game I'd find alot of 20ga brenekes and winchester 12ga foster hollow points and Remington sluggers. funny part is the no n hollow point sluggers would expand the same as the winchester hollow points.

[@christophercomer2544]

These would be good for home defense, since they do not like to penetrate anything hard, but fly fairly straight

[@byronsanchez1113]

you should do a compilation of best slugs or top 10 slugs results

[@arturoakaarthur]

those slugs also come in the fiocci 2 3/4 shells. Took one apart not too long ago.

[@taofledermaus]

+Do It Yourself Or DIE! Someone else had mention that too.

[@mealex303]

I really wish I could help financialy I do love this channel!

[@lucasgarcia1345]

the reason why the slug broke apart so easily is because it's a hollow point. the fact that it's a softer lead may have a factor but I'm positive it's mostly due to the fact that it's a hollow point. and as we all know hollow points are absolutely terrible at penetrating armor. the other slugs you mentioned are not hollow points so that is a huge difference between the two.

[@AllenSAshley]

Wow, completely different then the brenneke slugs!

[@taofledermaus]

+Allen Ashley Yeah, I hoped they'd be a LITTLE similar.

[@PasiSavolainen]

I've seen exactly that looking USSR made slug in 1990 or so. It was full-lead and the wadding was screwed-in. They called it bear shot.

[@Keith_the_knife_freak]

nice video.. the new range is nice..

[@taofledermaus]

+keifer225948 thanks! It's a lot further away but I wish I had that in my backyard!

[@taofledermaus]

haha, you pay for the bus ticket?

[@Keith_the_knife_freak]

Ok. Hope you like the snow... 5 inches of fresh on the ground..

[@codylawson6857]

This might make a good home defense round where over penetration must be considered It appears it would still do a lot of damage to soft tissue !

[@VeraGodspiel001]

Lol, there's actually a movie like ricochet sound audible. Not very loud, but it's there.

[@utrak]

Mean marine! Cool slug, also watched the Brenneke vid (and sub'd), pretty huge performance difference. Seems like the thug slug was designed to dump all its energy into a person-sized soft target without penetrating. While the Brenneke is designed for anti-dinosaur applications. Should be called the Turok slug.

[@taofledermaus]

+utrak Lol, yeah big difference in outcomes.

[@marxoxander]

0:06 When you see it...

[@pirobot668beta]

Internal spalling on a lead plate? That is some wicked-abrupt energy transfer there.

[@reggiep75]

The shells look the same but the Brenneke slugs have a penetrator. Why not do a comparative test by getting some Brenneke slugs and chopping the face of slug flat and see if it's properties change to those similar of the 'Thug Slugs'? Good video tho and the video format improvements looks better than before.

[@infowarforyourmind4342]

Did you guys hear any buzzing noise from the "Thug Slugs". The ones I load you can hear buzzing as they go down range. Definitely a short range slug that packs the right kind of punch for dropping game in the brush.

[@locouk]

Why did I start thinking about Goldilocks and the 3 bears at the end of this video?

[@omelborpon3159]

Cuz you want to shoot Goldilocks: breaking and entering and petty larceny; save the state the cost of a trial. /s

[@ciamarrajohn]

Slug Life

[@ejbeckgt]

The Slug blew out of the top of the steel water continer . You can see it in frame 3:03

[@toastyroastyman8911]

Here is a idea for a slug. A bunch of metal washers held together with a bolt in the center and nuts on each end. Ever try it ?

[@swinglow6580]

I'd say good for home defense, prevent from blasting through walls by accident

[@taofledermaus]

+Kristopher Workman That is what I was thinking too. A brenneke would go through a few of your neighbor's walls too. lol

[@swinglow6580]

I wanna look at possibly buying them, any links?

[@taofledermaus]

+Kristopher Workman There's a link in the description or just google "thug slugs"

[@Thoran666]

+Kristopher Workman Yep if I had a shotgun for home defense those would be the slugs for it. Lots of stopping power and little to none collateral damage.

[@RonJohn63]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS The Brenneke would go right through that bear on it's box cover instead of dumping all it's energy in the animal...

[@AZREDFERN]

You can easily figure out the exact average ft/s over a given distance by counting frames. Set your target exactly 100 feet from the muzzle of your shotgun. Determine how many frames were captured from the moment the bullet let the barrel to the moment it made contact with the target. Divide that by how many frames per second your camera was recording. Divide 100 by the previous number, and now you have the average velocity over 100 feet. Then using E=1/2MV^2 Weight the slug in slugs(unit/1=32.1740lbs), square your velocity in ft/s, multiply the two, and then half that. Now you have the average kinetic energy in ft/lbs, but your projectile isn't a square foot. measure the circumference of the projectile at its widest point, square that and divide it by 4pi. Now you have the frontal area of the bullet. Divide 144 by your frontal area, then multiply that by your kinetic energy, and you have the EXACT force being applied by the projectile at the moment of impact. It's a little extra work and a little extra math, but might make for a cool episode using a stock slug to test it out.

[@taofledermaus]

+AZREDFERN We always forget to bring a tape measure

[@AZREDFERN]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS darn

[@treatyourself7965]

Awesome test! I'm curious what a fully rifled barrel would do for the stability and overall performance? again the test was impressive. Marksman was spot on. Video well done. I'm sold. I'll be reloading with those.

[@taofledermaus]

+UR IT I don't think there would be that much difference with a fully rifled barrel.

[@WallaceAndersonOfficial]

Nice change of scenery. Where are you?

[@TheWoundChannel]

That was awsome! I can't believe it didn't penetrate deeper. I love when a ballistic test surprises me. Have you been stepping on those bears? 😂😂

[@taofledermaus]

+The Wound Channel Thanks! I store the bears in the vertical position but I need to store they laying on their backs. They droop a bit.

[@wayned5872]

very cool👍

[@taofledermaus]

+w delakas thanks!

[@n10485]

What type shotgun are you using? Love the vids by the way! Keep em' coming!

[@taofledermaus]

+n10485 Benelli Nova.

[@Gripfang]

These look like good home defense rounds or breeching rounds.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

+Jared M breaching rounds need to turn to dust on impact. These would kill someone behind the door or possibly punch the lock/hinge into the room at dangerous velocities.

[@2tommyrad]

Well done, thank you! Good shootin too. I half-expected good accuracy so, score 1 for the Thug. It would be interesting to see the results using Thugs made using Lyman #2 or Linotype. Thank again Jeff, et al...

[@taofledermaus]

+Tommy Rad Thanks for letting us shoot these! Sorry it took so dang long to get to them! I think Clyde has been waiting longer for me to shoot his Lyman 525 slugs.

[@2tommyrad]

***** No worries Jeff. You have a niche market, [send us stuff to shoot and we'll shoot it] bound to be a backlog LOL. I think it's time to call in a favor from my buddy that owns a titanium fabrication company. Let me see if I can get something interesting from him. You would probably like his site... interesting stuff titanmf.com thanks again Jeff.

[@RGD1982]

I just picked up some centurion slugs from Italy they use the same slug 6.99 for 10 rounds at my local gun shop