12ga. THUG SLUGS - A shotgun slug with massive energy X-fer

[@GunFunZS]

Thanks Jeff. Also Tommy Rad. Another good video series to compare these too is Brobee 223's videos on various slugs for hunting. The alloy used makes a very big difference in terminal performance.

[@MountainStorm]

I like your current format of progressing through the different camera footage. Interesting test too.

[@taofledermaus]

+Mountain Storm Thank you! I'm slow to learn!

[@CopperJacketTV]

No better way to top off a test than ballistic gummies. Very cool of The Wound Channel. Great guy

[@taofledermaus]

+The Daily Shooter lol thanks!

[@ericfaulk2204]

There's a common misconception that higher penetration means better stopping power. In fact the reverse is true. You want the projectile to dump all its kinetic energy into the target, causing cavitation. This is why hollow points are so effective against unarmored flesh.

[@nighthowler8107]

Some hollow points penetrate more than others and with a freakin shotgun slug it really doesn't matter

[@FISHBOY1210]

Thank you Nick for your service in the Marine Corps

[@bigsky12001]

I just wanted to give a shout out to the shooter, Well Done Marine (Nick)! Thanks for your service, and also the Slugs was pretty awesome my hat off to you and the folks that sent them to you. Great job!

[@taofledermaus]

+bigsky12001 thanks! I'm sure Nick will appreciate that. We will try to have him shoot with us again.

[@RealCheesyBread]

I didn't choose the slug life. The slug life chose me.

[@joshuakellogg4429]

I love high speed video. It's fascinating to see what is too fast for our eyes to see. So much happens in such a short span of time! Cool video and great shooting.

[@taofledermaus]

+Joshua Kellogg thanks Joshua!!

[@gthomas1421]

Excellent narration/dialogue. High quality video. Nice job Flader! Loving your work brutha.

[@taofledermaus]

+G Thomas I can't talk IMHO , but thank you! lol

[@andyschrock8832]

Thank you Nick

[@kuttinkuddy3905]

hornady shud be calling you....rcbs somebody! keep up the great vids.

[@taofledermaus]

+Kuttin Kuddy Haha, I wish!

[@johnhalchishick6557]

NICE shooting

[@nickbruns4154]

"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle."

[@thesouth1]

"Thug Slugs" LOL I thought they may come out of the barrel sideways, talking shit or something >_>

[@gabebaooo656]

lmaooo

[@kikovenegas1325]

Lmao

[@jueeceinahoven7213]

+thesouth1 BANG " SWAGNIIIiiiiiiiiggggaaaa........ " Hits metal.

[@pepperspray7386]

I hope more people use these slugs. This lead armor I bought has to be good for something.

[@taofledermaus]

+Pepper Spray haha

[@ZiggZacc]

After each of your videos, I sometimes want a good laugh. So I scroll down and read all the hateful comments/inquires to satisfy my needs. Anyone else?

[@taofledermaus]

+Zaccur White The crazy comments usually show up a lot later. lol

[@ZiggZacc]

Oh don't worry, i'm warming up the popcorn as we speak.

[@triggertalk7755]

3:57, that ricochet sounded really cool, another great vid Jeff! thanks bud! keep calm and Kapooyaah on. ..

[@johanstrannelind3045]

Could you maby mold a WHISTLE into a wax slug and shoot it out on a field, so that it flies as long as it can? I guess it won't sound anything because of the pressure waves in front of it, but maby? If it did in fact work that could be awesome!

[@arturoakaarthur]

those slugs also come in the fiocci 2 3/4 shells. Took one apart not too long ago.

[@taofledermaus]

+Do It Yourself Or DIE! Someone else had mention that too.

[@garylowe8601]

Good on ya Nick. Your doing a service to your county.

[@buzzbbird]

I think these are GREAT antipersonel slugs! The fact that the energy dissipates quickly and there is not overpenetration, means the danger of collateral damage im limited and the damage inflicted is maximized.

[@macmurfy2jka]

More like anti-thug, thus the name!

[@elektro3000]

Great comparison, and that's some nice shooting! I do love the Ballistic Bears.

[@taofledermaus]

+elektro3000 haha thanks!

[@tomar5e115]

I really like how you are grateful for the support of others and how you give credit where credit is due. Thanks for keeping youtube honest

[@taofledermaus]

+tomar5e115 thanks!!

[@RCSuperPowers]

I'm a thug and I approve these slugs.

[@taofledermaus]

+RCSuperPowers I heard you were the toughest guy on the cul de sac.

[@knyghtkrawlr]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS lol

[@RCSuperPowers]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS Dey call me Rick O Shay.

[@gtrbarceder1454]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS no one fucked with me back in the days of 'nam

[@assbread5950]

+RCSuperPowers i am a slug and i approve these thugs.

[@JP-xh4fq]

A Canadian company called "Score" loads these commercially. I have a couple thousand and they are awesome. The listed weight is a bit misleading though as it includes the weight of the wad. 1 1/8 oz comes in at 1oz of lead.

[@JesseAndMike]

Another awesome video!! :D Seeing those gummy bears in slow motion is kinda sad LOL! Liked! :)

[@taofledermaus]

+JesseAndMike Thank you Jesse and Mike! I'm surprised these bears have taken so many shots! Might be able to get a few more shots on them before I need to recast them.

[@triggertalk7755]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS you haven't recast them yet? ?? they must contain "Wolverines" dna ... or maybe it was created by "cyberdyne" like the T-1000, but gelatin.

[@taofledermaus]

I will re-dress them using a heat gun and that seals up the holes pretty well.

[@Jake-fl3mc]

It's an expansion tank. When you heat water it expands and the tank is designed to take that extra pressure off your water piping system so the t&p valve on your water heater doesn't keep dumping

[@roger_revo]

I suggest putting a sandbag on the block of wood and resting the fore end of the shotgun on the sandbag. This would protect the barrel of the shotgun and raise the shotgun which make it a more comfortable shooting position.

[@pickindigger1428]

Another great shooter and another great video!

[@taofledermaus]

+pickindigger thank you! Nick wants to shoot more with us so hopefully we'll see more of him.

[@Uniquelyyours1]

Your channel is so interesting to watch. I'm a tie dyer and I always wondered what would happen if you could somehow put dye in a shotgun shell and fire it at a pair of white cotton jeans or white jacket, shirt, etc. Subbed:)

[@davesmith6173]

Much like the old Activ slugs,they had a red hull.The wad was connected to the slug and did not come off.I know this because I found many inside deer when i dressed them.They were extremely accurate out of smooth bore shotguns.I still have a bunch for home defense.

[@Rukas6116]

How many is many?

[@darkgael0]

I have used the Thug Slug extensively. I use a Mossberg 695 bolt gun rifled barrel. I copied data from Hubel’s “12 gauge Shotgun from Hell” series (posted on just about every shooting forum on the Internet). The slug is loaded into Rocky Mt Cartridge Co. lathe turned brass hulls. The powder load was 80 grains of IMR 4759. I have not chrono’d this load. According to Hubel, whose testing is extensive, this is a safe load...within normal pressures for a shotgun slug. Very accurate out to 100 yards, the farthest that I have shot it. Have also tried 40 grains of Steel.

[@NotHisRealName]

Another great video. Shooter was bang on (pun intended). Great marksmanship.

[@taofledermaus]

+NotHis RealName Yeah, he was a great shot! thanks!!

[@NobleMaN79]

These seem like they would be good self-defense rounds. That might be why they are called 'Thug Slug'

[@gabrieleciciriello6447]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS if you pay attention to the shotgun ypu can see that the slide is going back and almost ejecting the empty shell from the recoil. i have a question though,if the benelli nova is a convertible shotgun,why you don't use it as a semiauto?

[@MrLKL88]

+Gabriele Ciciriello Im interested in the slide opening aswell.

[@bobthompson4319]

when I processed wild game I'd find alot of 20ga brenekes and winchester 12ga foster hollow points and Remington sluggers. funny part is the no n hollow point sluggers would expand the same as the winchester hollow points.

[@mattv2099]

I think it was more like twelveteen hunned fps there, brah. you're slippin. good video!

[@ArmyBratz12]

Can you fill and Ak with jello?

[@taofledermaus]

+MattV2099: Guns & Food Lies of fake.

[@ArmyBratz12]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS Can someone please fill an ak with jello?

[@Cookie5345535524]

+TylerTheLizard Gaming xD interesting.

[@ArmyBratz12]

+Ernests Lenss We need aks filled with jello man we need them

[@darangemaster1]

doesn't surprise me about the Brenneke slugs as they are designed for deep penetration on large dangerous animals. these slugs would be very good for predators of the two legged kind. IMHO

[@Sideshowbobx]

+darangemaster1 way too much over penetration - unless you want to stop a on speeding car full of thugs. And even then you might get plenty of over penetration out of these Brennekes.

[@notpulverman9660]

+darangemaster1 Ridiculous excess.

[@pastorlarry7470]

I know these are old videos but they just keep popping up on my channel and I love it. I am sitting between two worship services watching videos about slugs. LOL You let other people shoot, you need a retired Air Force Mechanic and now preacher to shoot for you guys. LOL Another great video

[@atypicalhomosapian4762]

those would be great for home protection, because they dont go through the target... another great video, thanks man

[@taofledermaus]

+atypical homo sapian I'm thinking the same thing!

[@scotts.2624]

Well you mostly find thugs in a city. Over penetration is a bad thing in a city. Its best if the projectile does not leave what it was fired at. If it misses then it wont bounce off a brick wall and wipe out some kid. Nor is it likely to slice through an old wood row house and into the one next door. That is a round I would feel ok with using in a urban environment.

[@scotts.2624]

HortonKansas Yes it is called Methamphetamine. It does not get rid of vermin as quick as the Thug Slug. However I think a Thug slug would also appropriately deal with a meth dealer as well as it would deal with a gang member. Of course lets not forget the sub humans that sell heroin. The Thug Slug would solve the problem of those vermin also.

[@bruno640]

+Scott S. You play chess much? That was a pretty smooth checkmate you done there. "Nipped it in the bud!", like Barney Fife would say! (Nope, I've never touched a chess board, even though I'm pretty good at checkers and crosswords...!☺)

Really? You don't get out in the suburbs or rural areas much do you.....

[@Titus-as-the-Roman]

Scott S., thought your comments were very reasonable, in fact you stole all my thunder, I am a very reasonable person, just have this thing about the apparent mandatory loud mouth smart alec you find in every comment post. I wonder how well these work out in Loud Mouth Smart Alec Land.

[@abitofapickle6255]

I chose #4 buck for my doctrine. Go to room, call 9-1-1, and if they come in my room... Blast em.

[@misterdeedeedee]

i like how the action kept unlocking on every shot

[@dimamax5372]

I've used what you call "thug slugs" few years ago. Bought them from Italy (they advertised them as "deer slug" due to less penetration and soft lead) and load them with 2,3 grams Unique in a fiocchi cartridge with a 616 primer and the result was..perfect. A very accurate slug up to 80 meters. I shot a roe deer in a distance of 90 meters and the 27 kgs male collapsed in the spot. For me it is a great slug unless you want to shoot brickwalls or steel doors.

[@MasterofTongs]

Nick is one of the only other people that I've seen using that kind of headset, which is surprising because they work so well.

[@taofledermaus]

+Steven Wagner I have a pair of those that I offer shooters to wear but they like the little foamy orange band ones better.

[@MasterofTongs]

Well they're missing out. Being able to hear while AND after shooting is awesome.

[@taofledermaus]

Yeah, but sweaty ears aren't fun either. lol

[@bryans9282]

hello. do you know if coating buckshot in pork grease will cause problems to the shot or gun? If you're interested, I'd appreciate if you'd demonstrate. thank you

[@shamrock3910]

in your first two shots it appears the breach opened on that shot gun I own that gun and don't want to think my breach can blow open please advise

[@billyminter3582]

Nice shooting, Devil Dog! Semper Fi!

[@jackrex7817]

I love how youre right about not getting as many sponsors for the channel. Youve had more viral videos on CNN than any other youtube gun channel and no love.

[@taofledermaus]

+Jack Rex (MashedPotatoJK) That's ok, it helps keep us honest!

[@jeremypaluck4246]

there is a local shop which uses these in their shells. now I know where they get those funny looking slugs!

[@jeremyjames83]

The energy this thing releases on impact is intense.. Great home defense round.. i would love to see you shoot some meat with it..

[@jeremypaluck4246]

therr is a local shop which uses these in their shells. now I know where they get those funny looking slugs!

[@CustardInc]

so what's happening then, is the plastic compressing and absorbing a significant amount of energy?

[@shhazretleri4874]

hello, What is the ballistic coefficient ? thanks for video and reply.

[@akmaistomods]

What do you do? "I shoot shotgun lead at shotgun lead to see the damage. Oh and gummy bears."

[@owen5452]

And play with mercury

[@krookimuss]

That name is brilliant!

[@josephrodriguez2780]

That's an excellent slug a man stopper. Little dump all its energy in the body

[@12799MaDeuce]

I was typing a comment about the Brenneke when you made that remark...

[@TWISTEDSTRINGS69]

Did anyone notice the bolt unlocking and sliding open on the Benelli ? What was that all about ? Looks as though that could have turned into some big issues for that Marine. Also why was the Benelli firing if the bolt was`t fully locked ? Look at 2:50 the bolt opened and closed almost like a semi...You need to look into the TAOFLEDERMAUS....

[@taofledermaus]

+TWISTEDSTRINGS69 The inertia just made the slide go backwards. It's normal.

[@TWISTEDSTRINGS69]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS Really ? I have a SuperNova and never noticed it but then again I never shot it from a bench rest as you guys were doing. I`v always held the fore end which would not allow that to happen. I`m going to try from a rest just to see. I was thinking it might have been firing out of battery, would`t want to see any of you guys get hurt. This is to awesome of a channel LOL... Thanks for getting back to me...AJ

[@infowarforyourmind4342]

+TWISTEDSTRINGS69 I load my own shotgun ammo and I noticed one thing. The more worn the gun the more likely the action is to slide back on it's own with the heavy loads.

[@TWISTEDSTRINGS69]

+INFOWARforYourMind Thanks for the info. I`v been shooting for 30 years and never noticed it. I guess I need to pay more attention lol.

[@taofledermaus]

Try shooting a slug without holding the foregrip. The action on this Benelli is very smooth. It definitely locks up normally, otherwise we'd see a huge blast coming out of the ejection port.

[@BC4Lyphe]

Being that the shells are crimped why such little recoil and failure to eject? Seems like there was very little power in the load and I'd imagine thatd make a huge difference in velocity/terminal performance?

[@brandoncowan9029]

+BC4Lyphe Ummm, that's a pump shotgun, which actually makes this whole thing much more concerning...

[@Efird100]

What's up with the slide blowing back after each shot? I thought that shot gun was a pump action.

[@taofledermaus]

+Matthew Efird Both of my shotguns do that. It unlocks after it is shot, but normally one would be holding the foregrip and that keeps it shut.

[@homersimpsonii5455]

+Matthew Efird It is, eventually someone will get a bolt in the face from it

[@DrewDiaz]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS what happens when you put the fore end up on the rest? I think the shooter recoils back forward and racks the slide... And I'm a big fan of the accuracy of the ThugSlugs out of a 590A1, with a roll crimp load I notice the wad tends to disconnect at 50yds and the slug punches paper straight.... That being said, I now wouldn't take the into brown bear country... I've got your picture on my TShirt because you're my hero.

[@timagosta3803]

just curious hope you didn't take offense I figured it would be neat to shot sabot and such. I just figured you could try a rifled barrel.

[@lucasgarcia1345]

the reason why the slug broke apart so easily is because it's a hollow point. the fact that it's a softer lead may have a factor but I'm positive it's mostly due to the fact that it's a hollow point. and as we all know hollow points are absolutely terrible at penetrating armor. the other slugs you mentioned are not hollow points so that is a huge difference between the two.

[@reggiep75]

The shells look the same but the Brenneke slugs have a penetrator. Why not do a comparative test by getting some Brenneke slugs and chopping the face of slug flat and see if it's properties change to those similar of the 'Thug Slugs'? Good video tho and the video format improvements looks better than before.

[@VeraGodspiel001]

Lol, there's actually a movie like ricochet sound audible. Not very loud, but it's there.

[@byronsanchez1113]

you should do a compilation of best slugs or top 10 slugs results

[@WallaceAndersonOfficial]

Nice change of scenery. Where are you?

[@treatyourself7965]

Awesome test! I'm curious what a fully rifled barrel would do for the stability and overall performance? again the test was impressive. Marksman was spot on. Video well done. I'm sold. I'll be reloading with those.

[@taofledermaus]

+UR IT I don't think there would be that much difference with a fully rifled barrel.

[@JVONROCK]

If you shot a drill bit at a hunk a wood, would it spin on through ? too much torque ? Or wire, would it act kinda like shot ?

[@taofledermaus]

+JVONROCK The drill would probably just fly sideways

[@JVONROCK]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS I'm laughing, too many cartoons in the 50's. Stay Savvy.

[@A-CAT-47]

somewhere around 3:50 I really liked that little pyewwww sound lol

[@npr386]

Good shooting Marine!

[@SPguns]

Hi my friend...which program do you use for the high speed shots? How do you minimize your screen for high speed maximum resolution?

[@KillerKatt66]

Might these be used as a viable home defence round? I think so.

[@Gripfang]

These look like good home defense rounds or breeching rounds.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

+Jared M breaching rounds need to turn to dust on impact. These would kill someone behind the door or possibly punch the lock/hinge into the room at dangerous velocities.

[@lonewanderer3603]

I didn't think you were supposed to shoot a rifled slug out of a rifled barrel. could that be causing the extra oscillation?

[@fedlrrose]

looks like they are made for soft target and home defense applications, softer lead=larger wound due to mushroom= less rounds used and if you miss it won't go through much

[@taofledermaus]

+fedlrrose And all those lead fragments tearing up one's insides.. I agree.

[@The.ExAver]

Does frozen Mercury float on mercury and does it float on water. Yes I know this video has nothing to do with mercury I just wanted to ask on his newest video.

[@taofledermaus]

+Bluntman frozen Hg would sink in liquid Hg, because it shrinks and becomes denser in solid form. It would sink in water.

[@Vettespeed]

You guys should get a clear block of ballistic gel. Like see through clear

[@taofledermaus]

+Lucas Simms It is really expensive, $160. Can't afford stuff like that.

[@Nightravenrr]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS @4:15 lead projectile with a deep cavity sealing on a lead target causing compression of the air trapped in the cavity resulting in ignition of the air (dieseling).. theory plausible?

[@taofledermaus]

+Nightravenrr I'm not sure what causes the flashes. This was dark, and we have seen bright white flashes from things striking aluminum. If the colors were the same, I'd say it was the same thing.

[@Chevsilverado]

Why is it that the shotguns pump moves back when you shoot. The breach is half open after you shoot in a couple shots.

[@Chevsilverado]

And in the shot with the lead plate the breach is totally open after the shot and the shell doesn't eject.

[@taofledermaus]

+Ian Rogers The bolt unlocks when you shoot it. Normally you'd hold the foregrip when shooting that keeps it shut.

[@utrak]

Mean marine! Cool slug, also watched the Brenneke vid (and sub'd), pretty huge performance difference. Seems like the thug slug was designed to dump all its energy into a person-sized soft target without penetrating. While the Brenneke is designed for anti-dinosaur applications. Should be called the Turok slug.

[@taofledermaus]

+utrak Lol, yeah big difference in outcomes.

[@christophercomer2544]

These would be good for home defense, since they do not like to penetrate anything hard, but fly fairly straight

[@Mastapoole]

Great video and testing these look awesome.

[@taofledermaus]

+Mastapoole thanks!

[@Friedrich-Wilhelm-1980]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS that should make this a good deer slug right?

[@2tommyrad]

Well done, thank you! Good shootin too. I half-expected good accuracy so, score 1 for the Thug. It would be interesting to see the results using Thugs made using Lyman #2 or Linotype. Thank again Jeff, et al...

[@taofledermaus]

+Tommy Rad Thanks for letting us shoot these! Sorry it took so dang long to get to them! I think Clyde has been waiting longer for me to shoot his Lyman 525 slugs.

[@2tommyrad]

***** No worries Jeff. You have a niche market, [send us stuff to shoot and we'll shoot it] bound to be a backlog LOL. I think it's time to call in a favor from my buddy that owns a titanium fabrication company. Let me see if I can get something interesting from him. You would probably like his site... interesting stuff titanmf.com thanks again Jeff.

[@randyhymas9013]

Thug Slugs are great! Accurate, and hit like a sledgehammer.

[@davidg1726]

1:46 failure to extract?

[@toastyroastyman8911]

Here is a idea for a slug. A bunch of metal washers held together with a bolt in the center and nuts on each end. Ever try it ?

[@johnsiders7819]

Be good for close quarter home defense shot guns. I think that's what they had in mind and for urban streets for the 2 legged thugs I will check these out .

[@pirobot668beta]

Internal spalling on a lead plate? That is some wicked-abrupt energy transfer there.

[@ptw783]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS do you think the rifled slug/rifled choke had any negative effect on ballistics?

[@taofledermaus]

+ptw783 I don't think so.

[@playdemblues]

Good job! Thanks for the info.

[@taofledermaus]

+Steve Crunk thanks Steve!

[@Michael-cx7wt]

why is the breech popping open after shots?

[@OliverStrawhat]

These slugs look like the ones used by Fiocchi. There velocities are 1150 , 1300, and 1500.

[@KennyInVegas]

Is there a steel shotgun shell, 3" for smooth bore? I have a 12ga. Mossberg and I'm going into big bear country. What shot shell would you recommend?

[@taofledermaus]

+Ken A I never shot a bear so I'm not the best person to ask. lol

[@codylawson6857]

This might make a good home defense round where over penetration must be considered It appears it would still do a lot of damage to soft tissue !

[@brandonb417]

When you shot the accumulator, it doesn't surprise me it didn't blow, if the membrane is still good then any big water hammer would have been absorbed, that's what its designed to do.

[@aeronwilliams94]

another good one cheers ol boy

[@Keith_the_knife_freak]

nice video.. the new range is nice..

[@taofledermaus]

+keifer225948 thanks! It's a lot further away but I wish I had that in my backyard!

[@taofledermaus]

haha, you pay for the bus ticket?

[@Keith_the_knife_freak]

Ok. Hope you like the snow... 5 inches of fresh on the ground..

[@TheJohn8765]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS I missed the last couple vids, Jeff... New range? No more *Stunt Double Flies*?? :(

[@taofledermaus]

+TheJohn8765 A viewer invited me to come there and film. Really nice place, it in his backyard!

[@TheJohn8765]

Heh, must be nice. No commute to shoot.

[@alsipes7432]

I am new to and subbed your channel.... you guys do some very cool experiments..

[@amandaermisgreen9277]

Hey Tao? I was wondering if a gutted batter would work well as a bullet casing. Think you can solve this little mystery for me?

[@taofledermaus]

+Amanda & Ermis Green What is a gutted batter?

[@amandaermisgreen9277]

oops! forgot the Y. I meant a gutted Battery. As in it's been cut upon and all the chemicals and stuff have been removed an a striker has been installed in the "Bottom".

[@klimpomp]

I know nothing about this topic but using basic common sense I don't see why not. I mean provided you could find a way to eject it without any complications...it would be more than strong enough to contain and direct the explosion (or at least I would think so)