Tartar vs Mongol: What's the difference?

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If you read about the Mongols for any length of time, you'll see them called Tatars or Tartars. Here's a very brief look at why Chinggis Khan and his Empire became associated across with a people they had conquered, and how almost every people they encountered knew them as Tatars/Tartars.
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SOURCES USED:
Garcia, Chad D. “A New Kind of Northerner: Initial Song Perceptions of the Mongols.” Journal of Song-Yuan Studies 42 (2012): 309-342.
Jackson, Peter. The Mongols and the Islamic World: From Conquest to Conversion. New Haven:
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McLynn, Frank. Genghis Khan: The Man Who Conquered the World. London: The Bodley Head,
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Pow, Stephen. “The Last Campaign and Death of Jebe Noyan.” Journal of the Royal Asiatic
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[@jdmcarandmotorcycle]

I'm tatar from Ural mountains

[@harrymcnicholas9468]

Do you look Mongolian? Likely not. There are some real hot looking Tatar babes.

[@guerguistoyanov137]

Harry McNicholas "Some"???😊 Russians are "mysteriously" involved in creation of the beauty 😜

[@turkempiregirl782]

Harry McNicholas fuck you from Turkey.im Tatar

[@harrymcnicholas9468]

Did it take you a number of years to learn that in English?

[@turkempiregirl782]

mila mir neredensin?

[@Alejandro-te2nt]

a whole channel about mongol history? sir, consider yourself subbed! May you ride proudly beneath The Eternal Blue Sky

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Your loyalty honours the Great Khan

[@bugzyhardrada3168]

"He swept through the land burning and pillaging all in his sight All while he men chanted to their leader *IF ANYONE CAN GENGHIS CAN* "

[@jashbadrijoebiden9676]

Lol I hate blue sky 😁

[@jashbadrijoebiden9676]

@Ah Du oh sorry 😐

[@hadadezer8047]

That was genuinely very informative, interesting, and well explained. Subbed.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Thank you, I do try to be!

[@ltcn]

I am a Crimean Tatar and of course I am Turkic, not Mongolic.

[@ltcn]

@ercan kilic You have a very long way to go laddy. First of all, you need a lesson not to swear to people you write to. Secondly, I know well poor guys like you ! You have absurd ideas without haven't any real knowledge. I do not have time to waste with you. So I leave you in your ignorance. Do not ever attempt to respond. Work hard. Bye..

[@moviesharon5726]

You're Mongolic turk

[@ainurainur5505]

Mende !

[@hamoudhabibi1996]

Movies Haron They speak a variation of Turkic languages, they look like other Turkic people, they have Turkic culture and you say the are mongolians??! how dumb can one be??!

[@johnnyb8825]

@@moviesharon5726 How can he be a Mongolic Turk (unless he's part Mongol and part Turkic, or a Mongolian citizen of Turkic ancestry, or a citizen of a Turkic country and of Mongol ancestry)? Ethnically, Mongols are Mongols and Turkics are Turkics.

[@Akbaba001]

Very glad to have encountered this channel!

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

I'm glad you found it as well!

[@jk1776yt]

Very educational video. You satisfied a confusion I have had with the description of Tatar for some time.

[@bosbanon3452]

The Indonesian also called the Yuan invasion army as tatar

[@taymidemir8099]

Hilmi Prabowo what ?? Really 😮 ?

[@bosbanon3452]

钱昀晓 the Mongols attacked Kediri and backstabbed by Raden Wijaya

[@bosbanon3452]

The Mongols commander name are Shibi , gauxing and Ike mese (i don't know how to spell it in Mandarin)

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Hilmi Prabowo It's amazing what people will do when they believe it is their destiny to conquer the world. according to Morris Rossabi the three were a Mongol, (Shihbi) a chinese, (Kao Hsing) and an Uighur (I-k'o o-mu-ssu, which is spelled according to Wade-Giles system). Invasion was launched 1292, arrived the next year Kublai Khan in his old age sent invasions to Japan, Burma, Vietnam and of course Java, trying to continue his conquests. All were largely failures, but on this one they brought back a rhino at least.

[@6principlesforcartography61]

钱昀晓 Invasion of Java.

[@pete2389]

Thank you for explaining this, it can be kind of confusing when you're reading up on history and see Genghis khan conquered the tatars near china. Then later on people all the way in eastern europe are referring to the mongols as tatars. This is the first time I've seen anyone clarify this.

[@feminism8583]

Tatars are Turkic, descent of Kipchak and Bulgarian Turks who lived in Europe before Mongol. Most of the population of the Kipchak Khanate（Also known as the Golden Horde） is the Kipchak and Bulgars turkic.The Mongols occupied the Kipchak Steppe, but the Mongols were assimilated by the Kipchak Turks.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

UPDATE OCT. 20TH, 2019: I've revisited this topic, in a new video discussing an argument made by historian Stephen Pow on this historical problem. Check it out here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnybZ5Kbo9xoprc Have you heard anything else on how the peoples the Mongols encountered came to know of them as Tatars? I would be very interested in hearing about it if you had! This is what I could find in my research...

[@ottoman000scholar]

I have read that Tatars where originally Mongolic people, later Turkicized I'm sure you have read this also, I have also read chinggis had referred to Modu Chanyu aka Moduun, Madir, Bahadir, Mao-Tun, Mete Han, Oghuz Khagan, Modu shanyu as an ancestor, Also The Turk Khans of the Turkic khanate had referred to Modu chanyu as a ancestor, Maybe Turkic people and Mongolic people share the same roots? I've read about Turkicification or Mongolization culturally and linguistically of many tribes, in wide spread time periods, but its all under a dark cloud and seems to be allot of debate on the topic.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

While I have never read of Chinggis being related to them, I would not be surprised if such claims were made during his lifetime. In steppe societies (and really, most ancient and medieval societies) it was very common to claim legitimacy through saying you were a descendant of some famous ancestor (the Kings of Hungary for example at times claimed to be descendants of Attila the Hun). As a considerable amount of the Mongol armies were made up of turkic tribes making claims to descent from Turkic Khans would be a wise move. While perhaps Chinggis himself did not say he was related to them, I could easily imagine his followers making these claims to strengthen his claim to leadership over turkic peoples as well. Or even turkic tribes, after the thirteenth century 'turkicized' Chinggis by making him related to famous turkic or other steppe leaders from the past. In the Secret History of the Mongols an extensive lineage of Chinggis' ancestors is displayed, relating him to the Khans of the earlier Khamag Mongol Confederation (destroyed around 1160). An interesting theory I've seen was that Chinggis was not actually related to them, but had his ancestry 'enhanced' to improve his legitimacy, and found actual relations of these Khans to support him. Of course, such a theory cannot be proven but would be an interesting example of the notion of 'invented ancestry' I made above. Evidence against this ancestry being invented would be: if you are going to invent his ancestry, why not make him related to other steppe leaders or turkic Khans like you listed above?

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

There's been a lot of fascinating arguments about the relation of Mongolic and Turkic peoples. The theories have changed a lot over the last few decades, and will change a lot more in the future. I'm sure you've heard of the Altaic language family, which places Mongolian and Turkic languages, and sometimes Korean and a few others from Siberia, into a large related family tree and sharing a common ancestor. Currently this theory is doubted by academics, and the similarities between Mongolian and Turkic languages, cultures and lifestyles are now argued to come from centuries of living beside each other and exchanging things. A modern example might be Europeans mixing with indigenous peoples of North America. Now the ancestors of the Indigenous take on English words and lifestyles, but often emerged into new ethnic groups (such as the Metis in Canada). Because they are so closely entangled now someone may think "oh they must have a shared origin," but the original people came from different sources. Yet at various periods the distinction between Turk and Mongol became very blurred, depending on the group in question, which further complicates our grouping of them (think fourteenth century Turko-Mongols, as they often get called). Because of groups like these, there are people living today who did originate from Turks and Mongols and have a shared heritage because of that, such as modern Tatars, Kazakhs and Uzbeks (who all of course went separate ways and developed further distinct cultures). And to make this even more difficult, we often have so little information about medieval tribes that we can not say if they were turk, mongol or what they would have thought of themselves as. The medieval Persian and Chinese chroniclers happen to just call the tribes by whichever group happened to be the most powerful at that time, which also happens to be what those tribes would do as well! It's all incredibly fascinating but a huge topic to try and wrap your head around and very difficult to neatly categorize. No wonder there is so much debate!

[@ottoman000scholar]

Yes its a huge topic many things come to mind like trying to categorize many groups of people Turkic/Hunnic/Mongolic and you can even throw in a hotly debated mix of indo Europeans Samartians, Scythian and Alans. Looking at my ancestry on the topic being a Turk from Anatolia Turkey. Reading about Seljuk history where they clearly showed Mongoloid characteristics, so did the early Ottomans being someone with clear European features of pale skin and fair hair one could say how am I really a Turk? Living in Australia I have seen indigenous Australians with clear white Anglo-Saxon features, when their grandfather is clearly Aboriginal in feature. However the Grandfather speaks the Aboriginal language and carries the culture but his grandsons cant speak the language anymore. Looking at the Mughuls, who claimed and still claim to be Tatars, claim descendant from Chagatai Khan and spoke Chagatai Turkic, later morphed into Urdu and language of Persian Punjabi turkic Arabic dialects. Mughals Mongols historically meant the same word, the Persian called the Mongols Mughals and Mughals of India Mughal so somehow the west borrowed the Persian term of Mughal. so what I'm trying to say is Historically Mughal meant Mongol in Persian. I have met many who claim to be Tatar with clear Punjabi features from pakistan and claim descendant from Chagatai Khan. Hahah maybe I went off topic but I just see somehow what I Have said relates to the topic of Mongol Vs Tatar.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

I think that's a great of way of thinking of it actually I see the connection. Rigidly adhering to the categories we try to describe people in can create a false idea that somehow these populations lived next to each other but remained somehow isolated. Even something as simple as just saying "the Mongol army invaded modern day Iraq," misconstrues highly the composition of that army. Obviously there were Mongols there, but also Chinese engineers, Khitans, various Turkic groups, Armenia and Georgian soldiers were also sent not to mention local Arab rulers who sided with the Mongols. Because it would be very inconvenient to list all of these people every single time, we're left saying just "the Mongols did X," which creates a false impression than it was only Mongolians vs. Arabs at say, the siege of Baghdad. I believe this same need to 'simplify' for the sake of making things easier to discuss is used when discussing the tribes in a lot of other circumstances which encourages the image that these populations were all removed from each other and didn't intermix.

[@jackalhead7433]

Medieval Karen: "You are a Tatar or more accurately a Tartar crawl back to you stepper Tartar" Medieval Mongol: "Alright mam you uttered the "T" word deliberately too many times I'm taking this to the court"

[@guntherachterhof4876]

Wow!👏 Thanks for posting this!

[@brokenbridge6316]

How very interesting this video was. Nice job.

[@cvb2733]

I love how you pronounce Genghis Khan, you pronounce it properly. I hope you can do research on Hazaras of Afghanistan. We have many tribe names within our ethnic group. There are Behsud/Behsut Hazaras, Dai-Khitai Hazaras, Dai-Kundi Hazaras, Jaghori Hazaras, Turkmen Hazaras, and more clan names. My father has told me that our ancestors are from Mongols. I believe we could've built a nation like Kazakhstan or Kyrgyzstan and flourished well but we became oppressed by the other ethnic groups very quickly. Many of us, like most Turkic people, follow Islam, but we are not accepted by the people within our own country. We are labeled as savages still, and the Iranians call Hazara refugees in their country "barbari" which means Barbarian. So far I have yet to see some representation for our people and support. We are not recognized by other Turkic nations because of oppression and not recognized by our own nation either. If you have any questions about tribes, genetics, blood, culture, I have many sources and links to provide. Keep up the great videos! Thanks.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Thank you! I will definitely do a video on them at some point: I thinking of doing a series similar to this video covering the peoples who emerged after the Mongol conquests as there seems to be quite a bit of interest in it, and I would be very interested in covering tribes and peoples who are very unknown in the west and would like to have their history presented! I would love to see those sources at some point! I know only a little about the Hazara: supposedly the name comes from the 'tumen,' the Mongol word for their largest army group meaning 10,000. The clan names you listed as well are very interesting, as some of them appear quite similar to some Mongolian tribe names. I will add them and your name to my list of future topics to cover.

[@professionalhacker2834]

Zamir Nadir brother why your leaders go to turkey and ask for help to gain autonomy in Afghanistan I heard turk government helps a lot of turkic speakers nations plz be the leader for your community and seek help Insha Allah my prayers are with you freedom for hazara people

[@amarbatariunbold8345]

Zamir Nadir Hazaras, uzbeks, khirgiz, kazakhs, tuvas, mongols we all share the same blood.. because mongol empire was huge all of our people had settled down in various lands adapting to different climate and culture, thats the only difference we have. As a Mongol, i want to let you know that we are aware of the brutality Hazara people go through, but one day we will unite once again brother.

[@deanchainz912]

Zamir Nadir Turkmen Hazara saying Salam to a fellow Hazara! Yes, hopefully we soon get our own nation within Afghanistan.

[@LeoniDAS643]

You want a nation within Afghanistan? and where should that be? never mind that will never ever happened. Let me enlighten you of your forefathers.. they were mongols and not turks of Central Asia. therefore Turks won't accept you as theirs.. Maybe you should go back to Mongolia and settle down there ... that way you can unite with Amarbat Ariunbold.. lol

[@ottoman000scholar]

I appreciate your input into a mostly neglected part of history in the west.

[@jonmopjovi2734]

This has confused me for years! Thank you!!!!

[@Reader_curiosity]

Tatar halkı Türk halkları arasındadır. "Dîvânu Lugâti't-Türk" kitabında Kaşgari, Türk halkları arasındaki Tatar halkından bahsetmiştir. Ve dilleri ve coğrafi bölgeleri hakkında çok konuştu. İşte "Dîvânu Lugâti't-Türk" kitabından bir dizi örnek: 1- Yagma. Tuxsı, Qıfçäq, Yabàqu , Tatär , Qäy, Çömul Ve Oguz kavimleri bütün zel'Ieri ye’ye dönüştürmekte hemfikirdirler. Bunu asla zel olarak söylemealer. 2- tär. Sal Tulumlar ştşirtitr ve açik ağızlari bağlanarak yan yana dizilirler; böylece suyun üzerinde ceuya benzeyen düz bir seki yapıtlrmış olur ve insanlar bunun üzerine oturarak nehrin karşı kıyısına geçerler. Böylesi bir taşıt kamışlardan ya da ağac dallarından da yapılabilir (Yabaqu ve Tatär lehçelerinde). bkz. Säl. 3- "Ötüken" = "Tataristan çöllerinde bir yer adı. Uygur iline yakındır."

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Helal

[@ionicafardefrica]

In the 14th to 16th century, there was alot of fighting in my current country territory with the Golden Horde (I know mostly about Moldavia) but big clashes were common all along the border, and up in Poland as well. Every chronicle mentions them as Tatars, and it seems this is what they also identified themselves as, not "Tartars". On various occasion (pretty much like the nobles in Europe used to have pompous titles), they referred to themselves with the rank they held in the Khanate of the Golden Horde, or with their blood ties to the leaders of Horde, but generally they called themselves "Tatars" as well. Please note the Khanate of the Golden Horde does not represent the old Mongol empire, it's just a splinter that liked to consider themselves as the "pure blood descendants". They had very close ties to the Ottoman Empire, and very often they would ally and coordinate attacks with them. They would raid and pillage the lands while the Ottomans fought the main battles somewhere else or be hired as mercenaries with mass light cavalry. They were not Muslims, not entirely at least. They worshiped animalistic gods and had separate language and customs to the Ottomans, though many people confuse them.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Interesting, I hadn't known about the maintenance of older religions among the Tatars, but I suppose it makes sense that the spread of Islam would not have been even among all of them. It is also interesting how often they were employed as mercenaries across eastern Europe: I believe at the Siege of Vienna in 1683, both sides had Tatars fighting with them. Off the top of my head, I think one of the details was that the Tatars fighting for the Polish would put straw in their hats so that they could be told apart from the Tatars fighting for the Ottomans.

[@ionicafardefrica]

they were both part of the same language group. You would understand each other as much as a native English speaker understands German, Afrikaans or Dutch for instance... As a matter of fact, there are so many dialects even amongst Tatars today they can't even understand each other. So my point stands, I guess - they spoke a different language then the Ottomans.

[@ionicafardefrica]

you might find this interesting: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3u1goV6a7F0o7s Seem the Ottomans used a deviation of Turkish with up to 80% words coming from Persian and Arabic, while the rest of dialects did not. After Atatürk, the language became more uniform and mutually intelligible.

[@phuckyall6079]

Cenk Tüneygök yeah, dutch is faster to learn with an English speaker than German. English is now mostly romance in words but Germanic in grammar. I could not even understand almost nothing in German.

[@Ryder2010G6]

ionicafardefrica i m partly Crimean Tatar and Tatar-Turkish intelligibility is like 90% minimum. Also tartar doesn t mean anything. In tatar we say Qırım tatar (Crimean tatar), socTartar is only the sauce and not the people :)))

[@monobo3000]

Thanks! Great explanation. Very common confusion when reading ancient russian history.

[@regular-joe]

Yours and Stefan Milo's maps are the best for understanding large population movements - thanks for your videos!

[@tuzruneissik7168]

They speak a Turkic language which is 90% mutually intelligible with Turkey Turkish.

[@evsen75]

That is the Crimean dialect... Kazan, Siberian is a lot harder to understand

[@ercanbando9395]

LANGUAGE WAS ADAPTED , IT IS NOT ABOUT DNA , IDIOT , ASSIMILATION OF CRIMEAN TATARS IS THE KEY POINT.

[@ercanbando9395]

language is not dna , with this logic we are all english , tatars speak multiple languages , the reason why they clam turkey is a british blueprint .

[@archiefeld5801]

Yeah and mexicans speak spanish 100 % americans speak english 100% and many african countries speak french, you are brilliant, language doesnt make a people it can be adaptes, we ate looking foe racial and historical origins, tatars are clearly not from turkey despite the fact that millions of tatars live in turkey today because there anchestord fled from russians back in 1944.

[@metehankanmaz8805]

@@archiefeld5801 Tatars are Turkic idiot no one say they are originally from Turkey.

[@craik7]

It is interesting because in Islamic literature Mongols are always referred to as Tatars and not Mongols.. makes me wonder if actually the bulk of the Mongol army was actually made of Tatars/turkic? And the generals / top elite were Mongols..

[@TheArkan6]

My grandma is half Tatar and from what i got is that Mongols used Tatars to collect money from the Russians principlities they were like their hench men but over years we mixed a lot a lot not even just the Tatars many Turkic ppl in central asia mixed with mongols not always willingly the reson for that is that we re different people but culturally very similar we were both nomadic for most of our history so it wouldve been easy to get married to one another and if we go deeper i mean that whole eurasian steppe is just one large grassland with nothing major seperating with hundreds of groups running up and down the steppe its a crazy mixing pot i mean look at Turkmens or Uzbeks for example we look so mixed its like a new race was formed from all the mixes most Turkic ppl are very mixed

[@shermanpeabody6102]

The Uyghurs are a mixture of Caucasian and Mongolian.

[@bronxer78]

Thank you kindly for this clarification ❗️

[@timurjoro1995]

What a perfect explanation! Thank you the Jackmeister! Keep up the great work! Greetings from a Turk(not an oghuz Turkish 😏) a descendant of Timur from Kyrgyzstan 🇰🇬!

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Thank you! I hope to be able to discuss Timur in the future as well!

[@suluayran121]

Well Oghuz Turks are much more handsome and have good literature art poetrt history. Much more to be proud than raiding random towns as some do...

[@fyoloswaggins5203]

sulu ayran that's so mean yet so true

[@Nilvolentibusje]

Turks are Turks dont be racist to other Turks :D damn the Turks creating own racism and stuff within a race asdasgdgahsvdf

[@OlymposKratos]

Timur Joro Timur was an Uzbek Turk

[@henriquebitencourt5253]

Tatar was a very relative nomination,hell even the manchus were called tatars in the 17th century

[@billdehappy1]

manchus=mannush? aven romani?

[@to07342]

Great stuff, I've noticed only academia people ask about the Tartar side and now this video can help me explain

[@Greg-cl6rc]

Thank you for this amazing explanation

[@tsheringchoden8165]

Mongols were the centaurs of the old stories of the west..

[@godemperorfou-lu9305]

European people called all nomadic steppe warior people who attacked european lands "tatar" this is why many people confuse mongolians with modernday tatars. Hungarians where also called turks in european chronicles. Doesnt make them turks. People often times didint know who their enemy was and used old terms, for exampe chinese people called all nomadic invaders "huns". The original people that were called tatar by the europeans where actually mongolians and some kipchak turkic people who raided russian/european lands due to the rise of the mongol empire. What also played a role is that tatar sounds like tartarus (hell), this is was used in order to demonize the raiders. Over the time the name "tatar" stucked and the kipchaks who settled in modernday russia even before mongolians came, became "tatars". Modernday tatar people in russia and europe are kipchak turkic people with a slight slavic and mongolic influence. THEY are turkic. Mongolians are mongolic and belong to a different group than tatars.

[@jubanumidia8460]

God Emperor Fou-Lu hangars are mostly Turkic, especially the coumans , the avars , bulgars ..ext

[@mihailnikoloff2554]

Bulgars were of Iranic/Scythian origin. They are not related to turkic people or tatars.

[@mihailnikoloff2554]

LiberterKedi Bulgars slaughtered turkic people.

[@LiberterKedi]

Oh really Mihail ? So they run away after killed Khazars and Avars ?

[@hizelv8754]

Bulgars were Oghur(cousin of modern Turkic) speaking people with Iranic/Scythian origins. Actually Turkic peoples are(and were) mixture of nomad Iranic and East-Asian peoples in different ratios. Language and culture transformation(briefly assimilation) in nomadic peoples happened through history. Turkic peoples are not expection.

[@ChinchillaofDoom]

i really like the drawings - makes it so homie and personal haha you draw them yourself? cuz they're awesome! ^^

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Thank you for the kind words! yes, all images and maps are done by me unless I state otherwise. It's a great way for me to acquaint myself with sources for depictions of the peoples discussed, and in a lot of cases, when drawing an individual, I'm sometimes he first person (or among a select few) to ever make any sort of visual depiction of them!

[@KCAlbak]

There's a similar confusion with referring to Cimmerians, Scythians, Massagetae, and Sarmatians (including Roxolani, Serboi, Chroatii, Iazyges, etc.) as just "Scythians" over a period of several hundred years...

[@fire.smok3]

Interesting. I was confused on this but this cleared it up.

[@wackyruss]

Modern day Tatars reside in Tatarstan (which is located within Russia). Kazan is the famous city in Tatarstan. Also, there are a different group that reside in Crimea (the land Russia recently seized from Ukraine) called Crimean Tatars. Both Tatar groups speak a Turkic language and they also speak Russian. They are related to other Central Asian Turkic people such as Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Uyghur, Turkmen, Azeris, and to some extent the Turkish people of modern day Turkey. However the Tatars in Siberian Russia (Tatarstan) bear a physical resemblance to Mongolians much like Kazakhs, however Turkic languages are not in the same family as Mongolian languages. Also Tatars like most other Central Asian peoples are Muslim.

[@wanjuchien4208]

Thank You. It all makes sense now to where the Tatars resides. U help me to connect the dot. It is important for Russian to take Crimea as the Tatars are their people ( Putin's/ Karistus)

[@darth1nsidious726]

Wait a channel focused on mongol history! You have my sub. Could you do a video on the Tatar Yoke

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

In the future, it will be down! I hope to cover all the four Khanates and their succeeding states in time.

[@oguzhandikmen3782]

Tatarians are of course turkic just mongolians very expected from turkic culture so tatarians werent looking like tatarians,mongolic people were looking like tatarian

[@Orgil.]

@@oguzhandikmen3782 nope tatars are the Mongols.in ancient turkic language tatar means alien.so they must be Mongols

[@CArchivist]

I went to Wayne State University in Detroit and for decades, the sports teams were called the Tartars. Eventually, the University gave up trying to explain to people what Tartars were and just rebranded the nickname to The Warriors in the 1990s, which it remains today.

[@AngryHistorian87]

Very cool. I cannot wait for the rest of your Mongol history videos. I really would like to hear you speak on Timur. Although I am curious, where did you come across this Tang-Liao classification system?

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Thank you! I am very interested to discuss Timur as well. I've seen the classification system mentioned in a few places, with the main one for what I mentioned here being Chad Garcia's article "A New Kind of Northerner: Initial Song Perceptions of the Mongols," in the Journal of Song-Yuan Studies (2012). Garcia's focus of the article is some reports written by Song envoys to the Mongols, one from 1221 and the other from 1237. His discussion of the classification system is while looking at the earlier report from 1221, known as Mengda Beilu written by Zhao Gong. In it be specifically notes the Song adoption of the system from the Liao, and they use it to group the Mongols, as I note in the video saying that Chinggis Khan was a black Tatar. Interestingly, in this earlier one they give quite a positive report of Chinggis, describing him with heroic features and as a 'noble savage'' of sorts in comparison to the decadence of the Chinese. Garcia has the system as "White Tatar/Black Tatar/ Raw Tatar," whereas elsewhere I've seen it as "wild Tatar" for the last one, dependent on the translation. Unfortunately I've never found something that describes the system exclusively, especially as to its exact origins. I can't find it at the moment, but I had read it about it appearing *sometime* in the late Tang period. Being as the Khitans/ Liao had extensive holdings in Mongolia and they spoke a similar language, it would make sense to me that they adopted the system as a means of 'legitimizing' themselves rather than creating it, although it is just my impression from what I've read. At the very least, Tatar became the 'catch all' term for the steppe tribes during the late Tang, perhaps elaborated upon during the Liao. Due to their lack of direct contact with the steppe tribes, it certainly makes sense for the Song to adopt it with relatively little questions asked.

[@AngryHistorian87]

I like that you mentioned Tartarus. However, I wish to mention that Tartarus, the ancient Greek version of Hell, NOT the entire underworld.

[@RTWfan1234]

Interestingly, one ruling medieval dynasty in Bulgaria was called Terter, presumably a branch of the Terteroba family. Of Cuman descend, maybe it has some relation to the Tartar ethnonim

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

RTWfan1234 really? That is very interesting. What years were they around, do you know? I don't know much about Medieval Bulgaria, but I can speak for the influence of the Mongols and the Tatars certainly were significant figures in eastern Europe for the next few centuries. Bulgaria due to its proximity to the Mongol-Tatar sphere of influence would certainly​ be close enough for such a relationship.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

A significant number of Cumans were driven into Hungary by the Mongol advance, and Europeans did see them as related to the Mongols, a "branch" of Tatar from their point of view

[@RTWfan1234]

Well the royal house Terter were around the second half of the 13th century and the first half of the 14th century. Actually all the dynasties from the Second Bulgarian Tsardom (1185 - 1396) are said to have Cuman origins - Asen, Terter, Shishman . Surely because of the proximity there was some contact and relations and thanks to the settlement of cumans in the region in waves hence the ruling dynasties. Anyway, very nice and informative video. Did you do the art yourself?

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

I did a little reading on the Terters, and I was quite interested in them, and the Golden Horde it seems played quite a big role in their politics. At one point a son of Nogai, a major warlord within the Golden Horde, appears to have (very briefly) become the power behind the throne in Bulgaria, marrying into the dynasty before he was pushed out. I will definitely make a video on it when I get to discussing Europe and the Mongols, as Bulgaria provides an excellent example of the interplay between states in eastern Europe, the Byzantines and the Horde, and I myself am eager to learn more on it. Thank you! Yes, all images are done by me. It means I can effectively show whatever I want, as long as I can draw it, doesn't leave me limited to what I can find on Google and means I can avoid tricky copyright stuff. It is a neat thought that in some cases I might actually be the first person creating an image of some of these people discussed in the videos!

[@RTWfan1234]

That's neat. I'll be looking forward to more videos. Subscribing :)

[@kaloarepo288]

In Greco-Roman mythology Tartarus is the name of one of the lowest regions of Hell and during the Middle Ages because of the reputation of the Tartars for cruelty and fierceness, some writers assumed that the two words were connected and that Tartars came from the lowest region of hell.But there is no connection between the two words.

[@harrymcnicholas9468]

You are correct and thus the Europeans gave them the name of Tartars and not Tatars.

[@ercanbando9395]

there is no such thing as greco roman , this is british zionist propaganda , creating mythss is just an agenda

[@Mitchery]

What's the name of background music played in the video?

[@ElBandito]

Well explained.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Thank you!

[@tajrasti]

I love History, there is so much we don't know :)

[@saadtazili8953]

@Khel islam is the right path .

[@indigal1720]

Okay, what can you say about Volga Bulgars? Those tatars in modern Tatarstan also called themselves "Idel bolgary". Any info about this?

[@PimsleurTurkishLessons]

After Golden Horde , all people in it were named as Tatar but there were Turkic tribes and these lands were named “Kypchak lands. There were Cuman-Kypchak Turks, Pechenek Turks and Volga Bulgarian Turks. all of these tribes are different Turkic tribes, İn Divan lugat Turk, (first Turkish dictionary 1072) Mahmut Kashgari tells about Turkic tribes and their dialects, he mentions all of them as different tribes not same and he tells about sound changes among them for example y of Oghuz Turkish turns into j in Kypchak Turkish so that yol-jol =way

[@lepketheslime4792]

My grand parents are from Urals, im not tatar or anything but i hear that place had lots of them

[@spacecat6463]

Im a Volga Bolgar or mainly known as Kazan Tatar and as far as I know the word Tatar means "archer" in the meaning of "the people that see and aim far out" In actuality it doesn't matter what the specific name we gave ourselves is, since its purely based on the geographical location, we are all Turks. Etymologically the word "Turk" was first used on one of the the Orhun scriptures' - ca. 700 AD during the Gokturk Empire- and it is used to define a unity of several groups of people, - like an acronym NATO or EU- that speaks the same language and have the same traditions and the same enemy. BTW, tradition is not used as religion in Turkish culture, since they are different subjects -unlike in the western lifestyle-. Saying that all Turks belong to this religion is weird. Everyone's religion is for themselves, it is private.

[@Viki4a]

Well i am danube Bulgarian which means i am mixed turkic Bulgar and slav that makes Bulgarian

[@nathan_408]

​@@Viki4a probably not, the Bulgarians were your political and military elite, the people remained mostly Slavic.

[@raritica8409]

@@Viki4awhat about the old Thracians? Is there any remnant of them in Bulgaria I wonder

[@Viki4a]

@@raritica8409 yeah we have some ruins left

[@raritica8409]

@@Viki4a very neat. My dads side is Tatar from Kazan! Bulgaria has always fascinated me

[@henriquebitencourt4280]

"White tatars,black tatars and raw tatars" The jurchen were categorized in the same manner: Raw: "savage" or "primitive and the cooked: sinicized

[@tripplehhh2584]

Same with Tibetan

[@istvanmargittoth4268]

I am Hungarian, and the huns were also categorized as "white huns" and "black huns" and our ancestors lived in the same regions

[@jashbadrijoebiden9676]

@Ah Du I think han is a titile used by Turks 🙄

[@jashbadrijoebiden9676]

@Ah Du thank u

[@jashbadrijoebiden9676]

@Ah Du thank u brother ❤️

[@henriquebitencourt4280]

The Golden Horde was also called "Kipchak Khanate"

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

For a very long time, that confused me needlessly, thinking that people were refferring to the Kipchak-Cuman confederation before the Mongol arrival, as I was so used to 'Golden Horde.' But names like 'Desht-i Kipchak,' 'Kipchak ulus,' etc are actually some of the most common ways the primary sources refer to it.

[@archiefeld5801]

Kipcaks are fucking jews

[@emrekose2168]

Archie Feld Khazars were jewish. Kipchaks were christian and muslim

[@billdehappy1]

@@archiefeld5801 and thats why peopole think we rulez ze worldz

[@dragonsfury3370]

Muhammed Mete Khazars were Turkic tribes, they werent jews

[@sUbScRiBeRswItHoUtvEdEo]

whats the name of the background music

[@timesnewbabylonian8088]

Beautiful work sir 💪

[@creatifetudes8553]

Now I'm more confused 😭

[@Happy_HIbiscus]

dude, this is cool

[@alpahlavi7959]

Did you draw all these pictures? I love them!

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Yes I did, thank you! All images and maps are done by me unless I state otherwise. It's a lot of fun, as for a number of the individuals I speak about I'm likely one of the few people to have made a picture of them, which is quite exciting.

[@alpahlavi7959]

The Jackmeister: Mongol History I'm just really happy art such as this exists, thank you for contributing to the world. Your pictures remind me of a really good time in my life

[@eschel2155]

The Jackmeister: Mongol History Nice!! I realy liked the original drawings! Especialy the maps. Sub!

[@tallenta6071]

I can't unhear your Background music

[@wolfgangmcghee1258]

Really interesting video, huge fan of Mongol history!

[@ajvaani593]

Yeah it is. im Mongolian I dnt even know my history lol its very fascinating shout out to mongolia 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘 hello from New York city

[@wolfgangmcghee1258]

I am, "kilic" XD

[@wolfgangmcghee1258]

You're fucking stupid.

[@matthewsmith1779]

@nunya efin biz *you're*

[@scourgeofgodattila579]

@@ajvaani593 Göktürks you crushed 😂😂

[@garyssheydrich518]

Which group invented tartar sauce?

[@nugnorab5257]

Dental group🤣

[@nicholasbeck1558]

Please post your reference to the historian Steven Powell and Georgia. I am interested in early Georgian history.

[@GrandMasterAbe]

Is this where tartar sauce came from?

[@dragonsfury3370]

Hi, man, you say that Tatars are primarily a Mongolian tribe, but how could you explain the fact that they were mentioned first in turkic inscriptions as OTUZ Tatar and Dokuz Tatar (that mean from turkic thirty tatars and nine tatars). If they were mongolians, why their own name was turkic. They were turkic tribes!

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

👍

[@mutoka6908]

No they were mongolian tribe at that time and later became tutkic tribe if i understand correctly i think one of the ancestors or modern turkics are tatars like pure turkic person kinda looks like asian so yeah

[@khan1129]

Tatar in ancient Turkic language means alien or alien. Tatar is not Turkic. It refers to the people who speak Mongolian in the east or the descendants of Rouran Khanate.

[@feminism8583]

@@khan1129 How do you know these tribes speak Mongolian?

[@doyouwantthetotalwar]

Tatar was a generic confederacy name even back then, and didnt denote a specific ethnicity. Gök Türks considered Otuz Tatar as Turks, but Dokuz Tatar as a foreign ethnicity who spoke Mongol. Only during 12th century and onwards Tatars specifically began to be associated with being Turkic, after complete assimilation of few Mongols among Cuman-Kipchak Turks.

[@hannibalbarca2928]

I am Tatar.we are not Mongol. We Turkic origin.

[@batukhan4540]

Iam mongol and iam not turk

[@hellhades3115]

@saf299 Mongols destroying tatars idiot

[@maksimsrjazancevs552]

I didn't know that we were originally from Turk. I thought we were originally Russian...

[@ercankilic5782]

Hannibal Barca* you are tataric mongols not turkish back off grom out identity fucking enemy

[@ercankilic5782]

evansdrad turkic is not about dna its language , its like sayin i have hispanic dna , tatars are not from turkey end of story

[@PyroNexus22]

A simple explanation, tatar is almost the same as turkic. It was used by russians towards turkic-speaking people outside of Russia as well. For example, when Russia came to conquer Caucasus, they used to call the local turkic peoples tatars. Kumyks were called Dagestani Tatars, Azerbaijanis were called Azerbaijani Tatars (that's where they got their ethnicity from tbh, cause they used to be just persians).

[@yuhaochen4470]

The term Tartar was used long before the Russians themselves even existed. The earliest reference to the word came from the 5th century Chinese records, and referred to proto-Mongolic people who live in the northeast.

[@PyroNexus22]

@@yuhaochen4470 I know. That's not what I'm talking about.

[@feminism8583]

@@yuhaochen4470 It originally refers to the tribes under the rule of the Turkic Khanate, which may be Turkic, Mongolian or other. Mongolia has never called itself Tatar.The Tartars were also accused of killing Genghis Khan,so Genghis Khan's empire could not have called itself Tatar.

[@yuhaochen4470]

@@feminism8583 Unfortunately that is not true. The term Tartars predates even the Turkic Khanates, it was first used by the Chinese in the 5th century to describe the eastern remnants of the Rouran Khanate, which has been widely regarded as a proto-Mongolic people. This term found its way into the western Turkic population through the rise of the Turkic Khanate, but the Rouran remnants who lived in the east of the Mongolian plateau kept calling themselves Tartars. they are separated from the Borjigin Mongols which were the "Mongolians" you were referring to. They were not the only Mongolic people at the time, that is if Genghis Khan`s lineage was at all Mongolic.

[@zzhex6780]

What are you talking about it’s clear you’re either a retarded Armenian or Iranian who doesn’t know anything about history. The Azerbaijani ethnicity was never Persian even in the dna of modern day Azerbaijan 33% central Asian contribution is found not to mention that the word Azerbaijan was used by the atabegs of Azerbaijan in the 1100s the Azerbaijanis themselves called each other turcomans because that’s what they were the Anatolian Turks who came during the Seljuk conquest just as the Azerbaijanis dropped the name turcoman while the Azerbaijanis kept it until the late 1800s

[@woff1959]

Interesting. Friar Julian went to the East to seek the old homeland of the Hungarians and met some, as well as the Volga Bulghars. He reported the new threat of "Tatars". The term has never been used with an 'r'.

[@mihailnikoloff2554]

The Tatars were originally a Mongol Tribe. The modern day republic of Tatarstan in the Russian Federation are descendants of Mongols who mixed with the Volga Bulgars.

[@harrymcnicholas9468]

No the people of Tatarstan have no Mongolian DNA.

[@ercanbando9395]

@@harrymcnicholas9468 they have mongol dna

[@archiefeld5801]

@@harrymcnicholas9468 you are a anti turkish and anti muslim person, thats all you want people to think that turks were mongolian invaders and that turkey was a ancient greek country, ridiculous.

[@Orgil.]

@@harrymcnicholas9468 wtf are you talking about they have Mongol dna

[@user-sn9dp2oh8p]

Нынешние волжские татары из булгар хазар и половцев. Монгольских ген нет.

[@walterbell1529]

John of plane'll kerkini an android Google Khan in the 1240's... what is wrong with this?

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

I didn't realize that there was captions on the video... At one point they describe Kittens as being the method of transmitting the name Tatar west. While humorous, it is a thesis of dubious historical accuracy.

[@MDzaki-uk2ll]

Auto generated captions can be pretty inaccurate.

[@bogazkesenarmoury]

love your works, are these pictures, illustrations is yours?

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Thank you! Yes all these images are done by me unless I state otherwise, though I think my newer ones are considerably better than the ones seen in this old video.

[@bogazkesenarmoury]

@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory masyallah that is proof that you make your videos with all your heart, i hope your very informative content will gain more views and subscriber, keep doing what you do man, youre awesome!

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Many thanks for your kinds words my friend, I will keep them in my heart

[@martinpepperell8424]

Interesting thank you. who was the character referred to at the very end.

[@rahmatyavery5369]

There are some people among the Hazara people in Afghanistan who called themselves Tatars too

[@bandohoxton5870]

TATARS ARE MIXED BETWEEN SLAVICS AND MONGOLS , YOUR PEOPLE ARE TRAVELLERS WHO ARE ASSIMILATED EVERYWHERE THEY GO .

[@goldenmemes51]

Please keep making more videos Make videos on how Genghis influenced timur And why Mongols didn't invade India? And how pope was shitting his pants that Mongols almost at his doorstep Even though empire map doesn't permit it the Hungarian empire let some Mongols pass through and invaded northern Italy look it up

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Thank you! I intend to, and these are all topics I hope to get to in the future. For the time being I intend to follow the conquests in roughly chronological order (so I will go from the campaigns against the Jin, then to Khwarezmian Empire, then Jebe and Subutai in southern Russia for example) but I do fully intend to discuss all sorts of aspects. The influence of Chinggis on later conquerors, especially Timur, is a topic I am personally very interested to research, but it will come in due time!

[@mohammadsabah8619]

Golden Memes Mongol couldnot invade india cuz india was ruled by powerful muslim sultan which has united numerous indian states into a single empire.sultan executed every mongols who came in his empire.

[@goldenmemes51]

nunya efin biz moguls weren't Mongols they were bastards who claimed Mongol descent they were indianizdd heavily there style of fighting later was totally Indian

[@limcharles9730]

mongols after genghis khan was split into a few khanates, yuan dynasty or rather known as the great khanate from china was pushed back by delhi sultan however the mughals which were from the chagatai khanate managed to subjugate most of india.. the chagatai made up of turkic/persian blood mixed with mongols as a result of marriage, rape and migration... same with the mughal a mix of chagatai and indian mainly from rajput

[@mohammadsabah8619]

Lima Charlie 3 khanate out of 4 accepted islam.yuan dynasty of china didnt accept islam but the other 3 accepted it.

[@nguyenvietanh2152]

In Vietnam they were called That Dat (Tatar)

[@user-ss5xy7gi9p]

Thank you so much!

[@bilgekhan6577]

Tartar, Kazar, Uygur, Onogur, Ogur, Sabir. All is Turkish name.

[@gulsahsaglam5170]

Turkic*

[@boratokel9301]

Turkısh*

[@gurdoganozyigit4312]

tatar and mongol is brother peoples.

[@Orgil.]

@@gurdoganozyigit4312 in ancient turkic language tatar means alien so they must be the Mongols

[@Mohammed_Angler]

Is the Genghis Khan 2004 tv drama historically accurate?

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

I've only ever watched a few minutes of it. From what I saw, the costumes and props were sometimes alright, sometimes they were pretty bad and most of the tactics I saw being used were not historical. But I haven't watched enough of the show itself to say how historical it is overall. From what I understand it does follow the course of his life. The actor who plays Chinggis, Ba Sen, is a descendant of Chinggis' son Chagatai.

[@Mohammed_Angler]

@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory ok thanks. Watching the series helped me memorize the events in Genghis Khan's life, though I don't consider tv shows as reliable sources of information. By the way, I have 2 questions: 1. Do you know the names of the Tatar leaders who fought against Temujin? In the tv series they mentioned Zhalinbuhe, the son of Temujin who was killed by Yesugei, and Miewujinxiaolitu, his uncle (the names are pronounced in Chinese). 2. Do you know the name of the battle between Temujin and the Kereids around 1203 after which Temujin was forced to withdraw eastwards? In the tv series it's called Hualazinshatu something.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

That's a good way to think of movies, tv, historical fiction books or 'popular history' like John Man's series. Easier to digest and introduce yourself to a topic than a thick scholarly book or a translations of the primary sources, which can be overwhelming with names and terms. After getting a feel and a general outline of the topic (or Hell, even a way to visualize where it is taking place!), one can then go on to more serious literature. For your questions: 1) there are only a few Tatars named in the Secret History of the Mongols that Temujin fought against: despite their fame, and role in his father's death, Temujin, as recorded in the Secret History at least, doesn't have much encounters with them, spending more time fighting the Taychi'ut, Merkit and later on Jamuhka, Toghrul Ong Khan. The first recorded battle in the 1190s has a Tatar chief named Megujin Se'ultu, and the later encounter around 1202 wherein Temujin destroys the Tatars, the only prominent Tatar is Yeke Ceren, whose rank and any other information is not indicated. Temujin's half brother Belgutei tells Yeke Ceren of the Mongol plans to kill the Tatar prisoners, and Yeke Ceren leads a brief resistance resulting in the deaths of some Mongols. Beyond that, I don't think any other Tatars are named who fought Temujin (in the Secret History at least, possibly the Yuan Shih might have some, but I don't have access to it unfortunately). No son of Temujin Uge is named is far as I know, so I would imagine he was included in the show for the narrative drama relating to their fathers. 2) That battle is usually in English called Qalaqaljit Sands, but spellings can vary wildly on that. Khalakhalzhit, I think I have seen on one occasion, and 'sands' is sometimes left in Mongolian.

[@jivanselbi3520]

some misunderstanding because of translation, '' white and black '' term was used to indicate the ruling elite and the commoners, Tatar / Tartar means 'arrow shooter', and since the dated Turkic history they have been speakers of Northern Turkic 'KIPCHAK' language, we're from the most southern 'Oguz' speakers, yet we easily can communicate

[@jivanselbi3520]

@ercan kilic instead u could've checked 4 the meaning. ..Türk isen anlamına eski Türkçe sözlükten bakabilirsin. .başka bir etnik topluluktan isen öğrenmek istemiyorsan "bulshit" demene gerek yok. ..ilgilenme

[@abdullahidahir9394]

Nice Video

[@filipkoric5360]

Khan Toktamysh was the last khan who used Mongolian script- in late 1380s. Before he was killed by Edigu - You can see Edigu in Tarkovskys masterpiece "Andrey Rublev". P.S. Great channel dedicated to history of Mongols and Tatars!

[@YY-ug9mv]

1st its not mongolian script.Its adopted from uighurs..Its uighur script.2nd toktamiş had it coming when he raided Timur twice while Timur helped him against his brother Urus.Toktamiş was a betrayer who played a role on russias birth and the doom of turkic people in central western and eastern steppes/asia.To this day!

[@filipkoric5360]

@@YY-ug9mv Well- generally, I agree- but it is still known in modern historiography as Mongolian script- it was based on Uighur script bit not identical to it. Mongolian is a true alphabet, with separate letters for consonants and vowels.... en.wikipedia./wiki/Mongolian_script I do not doubt that. When it comes to Toktamish "the traitor" keep in mind one thing- Golden Horde, Nogai Horde and all other successor states to Mongol Empire- they had never ending civil war and power struggle between nobility. At one point in Crimean Khanate Ottoman Turkish Emperor had to elect new Khans since civil war was so rampant. Toktamish was Timurs general at one point and than went rouge.

[@rogueone3538]

Anatolian Turks use latin script.But nobody claim it is not Turkish.Your statements are just LAME

[@YY-ug9mv]

@@rogueone3538 Who have said Turks of Turkey doesnt use latin script?What?Did i missed a comment?

[@rogueone3538]

@@YY-ug9mv Looks like you are lost, we are talking about Mongols and not turks.

[@crowold3025]

Genghis Khan's mother's family is called Haruha tribe . The Haruha tribe was near the river on the border between Mongolia and China (Manchuria), but they lost the battle and fled to the far northwest, where Genghis Khan was born. At first, Genghis was hostile to and massacred the Tatars, but since they were strong and their language was close to Mongolian, he made them his allies. Eventually, the Uyghurs were in charge of wisdom and the Tatars in military affairs.

[@billace90]

Very nice and educational. But to me the best legacy of the Tartars is the fish sauce. So good!

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

All great empires are measured in their culinary impact

[@matthewsmith1779]

Chai

[@radekconrad857]

i like the raw tatar best, spices and add on on the side

[@cant8160]

Watch out tatars may slice you and make a good roast out of you and I can not promise you if they will use spices

[@importantname]

because of their funny hats

[@schizoidboy]

For some reason this reminds me of what I heard about the Dutch and Holland, technically Holland is not the same as the Netherlands though many outside the country might refer to it as such. Holland is actually a part of the Netherlands rather than another name for the country. I could be wrong.

[@RM668]

schizoidboy correct

[@baddmanaz]

How khan u tell the difference?

[@deplorablejoelsoto668]

I saw name small body of water called strait of tartary isn't that weird it is located in between far east of Russia and the Russian territory Island of sakhalin?

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

That's where the name comes from: European maps would name everything in Siberia and eastern Russia after the Tatars. I found a map from the 1700s which called the Arctic Ocean north of Russia 'the Tartarian Sea.' Most of these were renamed but the odd one survives.

[@user-jo5kq6fz3q]

can you make video about origins of Kazakhs, because many tribes of the Mongol army ,our time is part of kazakhs! it will be very interesting for me , and for the Kazakh people

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

I definitely would like to do so! In time, I hope to have covered all areas that were impacted by the Mongols and how the world changed after their empire. Videos like this one I found very interesting to make, (and relatively quick!) so I hope to do more like it throughout my series- I will certainly try to make one on the Kazakhs!

[@user-jo5kq6fz3q]

The Jackmeister: Mongol History it will be great ! thanks! how I can communicate with you ? if it's possible .

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

I run a Facebook page for this channel under the same name, which I think you can message directly? I am most likely to see those messages soonest. I hope to get back into making videos by late March, as I am currently finishing some large research projects before then that are taking up my time. After that first video I will begin doing some research on the Kazakh origins!

[@aldos2795]

I think Kazakhs are Turkified Mongols.By DNA you are Mongols but by culture and language Kazakhs are more close to Turkic groups.

[@user-es5jo8kp2g]

+Al Dos Kazakh culture very similar on Mongolian

[@TatarTuruk]

I'm Nogai Tatar (Turkic) and not Mongol. But i love Mongols we are Turanian Brothers.

[@TatarTuruk]

@@ercanbando9395 Turkish lang. and Tartarian are two different Turkic Languages. Read the Orkhon inscriptions before you write a brainless comment. In the Orkhon inscriptions you will find the Name "Otuz Tatar". You are not Turkish. Don't hide your real identity.

[@TatarTuruk]

@@ercanbando9395 "İlahî göğün yarattığı Türk Bilge Kağan, bu devirde tahta çıktım. Sözlerimin tamamını dinleyin, özellikle küçük erkek kardeşlerim, çocuklarım, birleşik soyum, halkım, güneyde Şadlar, kuzeyde tarkanlar, beyler, Otuz ... (G 2) Otuz Tatar halkı ... ... ... Dokuz Oğuz Beyleri ve halkı, bu sözümü iyice işitin, sıkıca dinleyin! Doğuda güneşin doğduğu yere, güneyde aydınlığın ortasına, batıda güneşin battığı yere, kuzeyde karanlığın ortasına kadar, bu sınırların içerisindeki halkın tamamı bana bağlıdır." -Kül Tigin Yazitlari

[@TatarTuruk]

@@ercanbando9395 Medeni bir insan gibi yaz lütfen. Küfür ederek sadece acizligini gösteriyorsun ve haksiz bir "davayi" savundugunu belli ediyorsun. Seni bir Proje olarak görüyorum ve muhabbetimi kesiyorum.

[@ercanbando9395]

@@TatarTuruk sizde yalan konusmayi birakin artk , tatar tatardir türk degil , bizde gurbetciyiz avrupada ama biz gidib almaniz demiyoruz , göcmeniz bunu herkez biliyor ama nedense türkiyede göcmenlerin götü kalkmis herkez ben bu yada su türküyüm diyor utanmadan , vatanimizi sizlere yidirmeyiz , tatarlar tatarstanda dönsün , suriyeli gibi geldiniz bir daha dönmediniz .

[@TatarTuruk]

@@ercanbando9395 Öncelikle "Turkic Peoples" diye bir Kavram var bu Kavramin anlami Türk Halklari/Uluslari'dir. Tatarlar,Kazaklar,Kirgizlar,Türkiye Türkleri... v.s. ayni Dili konusan, ayni Kültüre sahip olan, ayni Ata'ya sahip olan akraba uluslardir ve bu Uluslarin ortak ismi TÜRK'tür. Ikincisi ise : Türkiye Türkleri dedigimiz insanlar cogunlukla Türkmen yani Oguz Türküdür geriye kalanlar ise Tatarlar hatta Güneydogu Anadolu'da Kirgizlar yani Kipcak Türkleride "Türkiye Türkleri" grubuna dahildir. Bu gruba mesela Kürtleri,Suriyeli araplari,Zazalari dahil edemezsin cünki bu Uluslarin Dili,Kültürü,Atalari farklidir.

[@eyupcelik6209]

Rica etsem ahsap suresi 37 ayetide bi tartişsanız zeyt bin harisenin karısı zeynebi kim almiş

[@noelrios9320]

What about the Huns and the avvars or even the Magyars? whats the difference between them?

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Sorry for a late reply, I didn't get a chance to check my comments until now. So that's a bit before the time period I know well, but I'll give the best explanation I can based off what I know. Huns: the exact ethnic origins of the Huns is a subject of considerable debate. The most popular explanation is that they were descendants of the Xiongnu, a Mongolic people who lived in modern Mongolia until the 1st century BCE, famous for terrorizing north China. The theory goes that the Xiongnu migrated west and, over time, adopting various tribes and peoples, eventually made their way to Europe as the Huns between the 4th and 6th century CE. By then perhaps only the ruling families had any Xiongnu blood in them, as they were certainly very heavily mixed by then. Avars: Also the subject of considerable scholarly debate, likely related to the Huns. But as far as I know there is too little information to say with any certainty their origins, although most certainly they had Central Asian connections and were highly mixed as well. Threatened the Eastern Roman Empire from the 6th-9th century. I am unaware if any work has been done to determine their languages. Magyars: Magyar is a Uralic language, unrelated to Indo-European, emerging in the Ural Mountains of central Russia. They lived as nomads, migrating from the Urals to the Carpathian Basin (Hungary) in the late 9th century. However, they have no direct connection to the Huns, except that their medieval Kings liked to claim descent from Attila the Hun. Finnish and Estonian are part of the same language family as Magyar, but I do not know what cultural or population similarities exist between them beyond that. Before the expansion of the Turkic tribes over Central Asia and the steppe between the 8th to 13th centuries, the make up of the populations of those regions was very complex, causing some of the most intense scholarly debates I've ever seen over the identities of these people. Generally, there is little to no information coming from these nomadic groups, only sparse archaeological evidence or descriptions given from Roman or Persian authors, who tended to care little to the specifics and preferred to describe all of these people under a single name, normally a very out of date one. See for example Eastern Roman authors continually referring to 'Scythians,' in their interactions, even though the actual Scythian people had long since ceased to exist. Thus, it is very difficult to talk on this matter. If we had more data on their languages, i.e vocabulary, grammar, that would aid in understanding this topic, but that is just as hard to come by. Because of this, groups like the Huns and Avars end up getting a lot of "maybe, possible. etc." in terms of describing their origins. Hopefully this helps some! I feel I went a little off topic at the end there, but it is a very fascinating topic to me.

[@semaraui]

Hun = Jutes a Gothic tribes

[@manullim]

Easy to remember distinctions between mongols and tartars: Mongol.... is the name of beef dish (mongolian beef). Tartar..... is the name of sauce that goes with deep fried fish.

[@AmmarTaicho]

And Turkey... is the huge chicken that we eating in Thanksgiving.

[@simonh6371]

So what about Steak Tartare?

[@CP-vw7vr]

I’m Crimean Tatar 😘😘😘

[@DarkStyle74]

Me too!

[@CP-vw7vr]

Hirako Shinji 👌🏻👌🏻

[@DarkStyle74]

@@CP-vw7vr so are u living in turkey? Or romania Also are you have little bit slanted eyes like almond?

[@CP-vw7vr]

Hirako Shinji I live in Izmir ,Turkey

[@almilademir5863]

@@DarkStyle74 I am also crimean Tatar from Turkey 💪 . I have eyes like almond many people ask me. Are you half. Japanese half Russian lol

[@tomcatthomas8221]

what is that tune you used at last?

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

They're called "Folk Round" and "Renaissance." They're listed in the description, both are from KZbin's Audiolibrary.

[@ioanadidea1268]

Romanian health minister family name is Tatar you wil find tatars and kipchaks everywhere

[@hannibalbarca2928]

I'm Tatar Turkic.not mongol

[@hannibalbarca2928]

@NO NAME7 Not language.Turkic group Ethno-Language family.

[@hannibalbarca2928]

@NO NAME7 Ethno means race.It is not religion.The ancient German people and today's German people have completely different genes, but are you saying that they are different people?Since all Turkic peoples spread to different regions, they mixed with different people.so there may be a difference.For example, a Turkish citizen living in Izmir has more Roman DNA than Greek.but they're not Roman, you know?The DNA results of the old Hungarian people and Göktürk emperors are almost the same.The people of Magyar living today are mingled with the Slavs.and it has no resemblance to the ancient Magyar people.because every race in the world is mixed.

[@hannibalbarca2928]

@NO NAME7 Even to stupid Moron google you will see that the meaning of Etnicity means race.we are not German, we are a Turkic people.Since we are real warriors, we spread and mixed in wide geographies.On the one hand, we established the Golden horde empire in the middle of Europe, On the one hand, we ruled Iran for 1000 years and India for 1000 years.Ottomans, Seljuks and Anatolia are in our hands for 1000 years.So why did we do this? Let me tell you.We lived quietly and calmly in the steppes of Mongolia and Turkestan, Later, Alexander the Great started to organize expeditions to Turkistan geography and disturbed us.We said that that day we will crush the attacker's head on our land.We came to Anatolia 1300 years after Alexander and we got Greece completely, it was a message.and the spread of the Turkic peoples around the world dates back to 250 BC.If a western person sails to the east, is he a justice fighter but when a eastern man sails to the west, is he a barbarian?that's how your war portfolio is so limited. The Tatars are a Turkic ethnic group living mainly in Tatarstan and the wider Volga-Ural region. ... All Turkic peoples living within the Russian Empire were named Tatar (as a Russian exonym). Some of these populations still use Tatar as a ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars

[@hannibalbarca2928]

@NO NAME7 see clearly and shut up now. www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNRs9axA80MEw-W_qN09v-byVPSAsg%3A1581666208004&ei=n09GXsXxPMOnrgTIrI7oBQ&q=ETN%C4%B0C%C4%B0TY+&oq=ETN%C4%B0C%C4%B0TY+&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i13l10.15458.15458..15610...0.3..0.126.126.0j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71.CVKIE8qqc4w&ved=0ahUKEwiFvezjxdDnAhXDk4sKHUiWA10Q4dUDCAs&uact=5

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Archie Tatars are Turks according to orkhon inscriptions they have nothing to do with mongols but some tatar tribes got partly mongolized

[@TheDavidlloydjones]

"It is not clear how the name 'Tatar" spread west..." around 1:09 Horseback? :-)

[@user-fk3ht9fq7k]

As Mongolian we call and write Tatar.

[@Cassidyy88str]

In swedish we have a word called tattare, which kinda means thief and is a very negative loaded word. Wonder if it originates from tatar.

[@billdehappy1]

yes and its myt people romani that got confused by you people and were not kinda theives we are a people...

[@bombacmulayim2987]

Especially horse thieving

[@perysima]

Most probably, they were thieves. Gangyze Khan and his armies were murders and looters.

[@mustafaziyaakgul3331]

Can you write the original name of black , white and wild Tatars ?

[@Reader_curiosity]

The Tartars are a Turkish tribe mentioned by Kashgari in his book among Turkish peoples. The tribes that alone Genghis Khan were different Turks and Mongols. Mongolia wide area variety terrain The presence of people speaking different languages is normal.

[@Reader_curiosity]

Dear I will reply you in several points: - The Chinese people are Chinese speakers who have historically lived in the Central Plains and the Yangtze plains and are known to Han nationality. - The peoples that inhabit the plateau of Mongolia or the eastern steppes stretching from Erdos to the Baikal are the Mongols and Turks. - The Turks are a nation of many peoples, such as the Chinese and the Indians, not a single people, who spread from Mongolia to Central Europe, and have large numbers in the Middle East. - The current Turkey is called Anatolia or the country of the Romans moved to some Turks in the eleventh century and settled in and established several kingdoms and empire. - Unfortunately, some Chinese nationalists are fanatics and visit Turkish history. They say Atilla conquered the Roman Empire because of the Wall of China. The Seljuks invaded the Byzantine Empire because of the Wall of China. This talk is false and incorrect. Some Hun moved to Eastern Europe in the first century AD, and when Attila conquered Western Europe, the northern dynasties of Mongolia ruled northern China, the most famous of which was the northern Wei Dynasty. The Seljuks established their empire in Khurasan, where some of the Oguz tribes from Central Asia moved there. When the Seljuk Empire appeared, there was then a regional Turkish kingdom in Central Asia known as the Karakhani and an empire in southwest Asia known as the Ghaznavid Empire. North China was ruled by the Mongol kingdom, the Liao Dynasty. - I love China's civilization, arts and sciences, but nationalism hurts the reputation of the Chinese people.

[@Reader_curiosity]

‏Hahaha ‏It seems you do not know anything about Turkish history and the history of Anatolia. ‏It is not known that Turks are present in several provinces of Xinjiang, Mongolia, Central Asia, Siberia and Eastern Europe. ‏Anatolia is a Roman land whose inhabitants spoke Greek and its inhabitants were a mixture of Greece, Armenians, Syriacs and Kurds. ‏Some Turks migrated to it in the eleventh century and settled there and built kingdoms and empire. ‏If the population of Anatolia any present Turkey is a mixture of several peoples and cultures. ‏The tribes and taverns that alone Genghis Khan are multi-ethnic Mongols and Turks.

[@thugleefe]

​@@Reader_curiosity You right. Turks from Central asia and Mongolia origin ,, because east hun empire, gokturks e.t.c states established in mongolia.

[@Reader_curiosity]

Your right, Mongolia has been in the original land of the Turkish nation for thousands of years. Mongolia is a land with a long history and is the center of the Eurasian empires and northern kingdoms. I read a strange treatise of some Chinese that denies that Mongolia is the original land of the Turks. The history of the Mongolian plateau is presented as a mutual expulsion conflict between the Turkish and Mongolian peoples. This non-objective thesis may have the purpose of dividing the two peoples. Of course his speech is incorrect. Ancient Chinese documents remind ancient peoples of the Mongolian plateau and their places of residence. The Altai Mountains and the Orhon Region have a depth in Turkish heritage. In the Genghis Khan era, there were many Turkish khanate and tribes in Mongolia. The assimilation of the Mongolian people to the Turkish people in Mongolia does not eliminate the Turks' history in Mongolia. The assimilation of the Turkish people into the Anatolian people does not negate the previous history before the Seljuk era

[@rejmons1]

Tatars are still living in Poland among Poles. Of course, they are genuine Polish, because they use to live in Poland since centiuries. But they kept their awareness of their origin and they are Muslims. This is a bit complicated, but polish national identiticy allows for double national consciousness. You can be both Pole and Tatar, and others accept it.

[@harrymcnicholas9468]

The current VP of Romania is Tatar. They do not look any different from other Europeans.

[@rejmons1]

Not all, The Mufti of Poland, Tomasz Misiewicz looks like Mongol.

[@deniz-qm1tu]

Did you ever seen a Mongol, dear? If this man look like Mongol, I'm sorry but most of your nation also look like Mongol. Anyway, Turks have different lookings from Mongols. Even Kazakhs (Mongol/Turkic nation) are not looks like Mongols. Or even Mongolian Kazakhs have different lookings from them. Turkic is an another race.

[@jivanselbi3520]

yes, we respect the Polish tolerance and understanding of others..

[@Lee-jh6cr]

I am part Lipka Tatar from Mazury in former East Prussia, now NE Poland. Recent genetic studies of Lipkas of Poland, Lithuania, Belarus indicate 30 0/0 East Asian genetics, with the rest West/Central Asiatic with some Caucasus genetics, and a bit of East European after being there 700 years. They came with Tokhtomysh of the Golden Horde, descendent of Genghis Kahn. At first they were Tengrist, which is why they fled to Pagan Lithuanian lands. Later arrivals were Muslims, however with Turkic traditions. They originally spoke a Kipchak language, but now speak Polish, Lithuanian, and Belarus. They maintain their ethnicity, but of course live in Slavic lands.

[@LondonPower]

Ταταροι or ταρταροι tatars is a name given by the greeks Byzantines to Mongolians in the middle ages it comes from tartara the place in hades where rule the death and dark

[@harrymcnicholas9468]

You are correct. They were a fictional people.

[@zhaochangqian2175]

Song, as in the Song Dynasty, is pronounced Sung, not as a ditty. Genghis is pronounced with an opening soft /g/, as in the word gentle, not with a hard /g/, as in gang.

[@MichailHordens]

The true appearance of Chinghiz Khan, the real History of the Tatars and many of Turkic peoples: Perhaps you know, that an outstanding historian-scientist D. Iskhakov wrote: ‘the true history of the Tatars, of the people in every respect historical, is not written yet’. However, recently were published books about the unwritten (hidden) real history of the Tatars by independent Tatar historian Gali Yenikey. His books present a new, or rather ‘well-forgotted old’ information about the real history of the Tatars and other Turkic peoples. It must be said, that in official history there are many falsifications and slanders about the ‘Tatars - wild nomads’ etc., which were written by pro-Chinese, Persian, also both Romanovs and Bolshevik ideologists. However primarily we should know the truth about the meaning of the names ‘Mongol’ and ‘Tatar’ (‘Tartar’) in the medieval Eurasia: According to data of many medieval sources, the name ‘Mongol’ until the 17th-18th centuries meant belonging to a political community, and was not the ethnic name. While ‘‘the name ‘Tatar’ was ‘the name of the own ethnos (nation) of Chinghiz Khan'. Also ‘…Chinghiz Khan and his people did not speak the language, which we now call the ‘Mongolian’…’’ (an academician-orientalist V.P.Vasiliev, 19th century). This confirmed by many little known facts. So in fact Chinghiz Khan was from among the medieval Tatars and the outstanding and progressive leader of the Turkic peoples. It is worth saying that according to many little-known data, the ancient and medieval Tatars were a very developed people both in spiritual and material aspects. It was the medieval Tatars who created the first Constitution of Eurasia, which was called in Tatar ‘Great Yasu’ (in Tatar means 'Great Scripture'). But with time many of their descendants became spiritually disabled and forgot invaluable doctrine and covenants of the creators of Great Yasu... So that the Tatars of Chinghiz Khan - medieval Tatars - were one of the Turkic nations, whose descendants now live in many of the fraternal Turkic peoples of Eurasia - among the Tatars, Kazakhs, Bashkirs, Uighurs, and many others. And few people know that the ethnos of medieval Tatars, which stopped the expansion of the Persians and the Chinese to the West of the World in Medieval centuries, is still alive. Despite to the politicians of the tsars Romanovs and Bolsheviks dictators, which had divided and scattered this ethnos to different nations... About everything above mentioned and a lot of the true history of the Tatars and other fraternal Turkic peoples, which was hidden from us, had been written, in detail and proved, in the book ‘Forgotten Heritage of Tatars’ - it is one of the dooks by Gali Yenikey, translated in Engilsh. There are a lot of previously little-known historical facts, as well as 16 maps and illustrations in this book. This e-book (in English language) you can easily find in the Internet: payhip.com/b/Xujb On the cover of this book you can see the true appearance of Chinghiz Khan. It is his lifetime portrait. In the ancient Tatar historical source ‘About the clan of Chinghiz Khan’ its author gave the words of the mother of Chinghiz Khan: ‘My son Chinghiz looks like this: he has a golden bushy beard, he wears a white fur coat and rides on a white horse’. As we can see, the portrait of an unknown medieval artist in many ways corresponds to the words of the mother of the Hero, which have come down to us in this ancient Tatar epic. Therefore, this portrait, which corresponds to the information of the Tatar source and to data from other sources, we believe, the most reliably transmits the appearance of Chinghiz Khan...’. And here's another interesting thing: We can't keep silent that some 'very important' official historians try to retell the content (or rather, the concept) of the works of the independent historian Gali Yenikey (Yenikeiev). But they conceal where the information was by them taken from. However it turned out they were unsuccessful and confused - this official historians, apparently, do not dare to show the real history of the Tatars, being afraid of their ‘scientific chiefs’. But not only this - see the portrait of Chingiz Khan - see on the 7th minute of the video of the Institute of history of the Academy of Sciences of Tatarstan (Russia): kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYjUc2pnnNhomMU - also this portrait is shown there both before and after. This portrait is reconstruction, which made by Yenikeiev on the basis of a lifetime portrait of Chingiz Khan and of information from the medieval Tatar Dastan (epic) 'About the Origin of Ciingiz Khan', as well as from other historical sources. This portrait was used by authors of the video without Yenikeiev's permission and without telling where the portrait came from. This portrait is published on the cover of G. R. Yenikeiev's book ‘Forgotten heritage of the Tatars’: see: payhip.com/b/Xujb For the first time this portrait was published on the cover of the third book by G. R. Yenikeiev ‘In the footsteps of the black legend’ (published in 2009), see its electronic version: payhip.com/b/DNdC This ‘creativity’ of the official historians is called among the decent people as plagiarism - that is, as theft.

[@Orgil.]

nope tatar means in ancient turkic language Alien.so tatars were Mongols

[@markanthony3275]

You can't have Mongol on your fish...only Tartar!

[@observer4749]

To understand it. You have to go deeper than Cengiz Khan period.

[@harrymcnicholas9468]

The first empire in Mongolia was Mongolian about 800 BCE. Turkic (Caucasian) people migrated into Mongolia bout 200 BCE. They then formed the Gokturk empire. For centuries the Mongols and Turks were bitter enemies Once the Mongols moves into Central ASia they took in Turkic people into their army and mixed with them.

[@gluefood781]

Hey what game is your outro song from?