Tartar vs Mongol: What's the difference?

[@jdmcarandmotorcycle]

I'm tatar from Ural mountains

[@harrymcnicholas9468]

Do you look Mongolian? Likely not. There are some real hot looking Tatar babes.

[@guerguistoyanov137]

Harry McNicholas "Some"???😊 Russians are "mysteriously" involved in creation of the beauty 😜

[@turkempiregirl782]

Harry McNicholas fuck you from Turkey.im Tatar

[@harrymcnicholas9468]

Did it take you a number of years to learn that in English?

[@turkempiregirl782]

mila mir neredensin?

[@Alejandro-te2nt]

a whole channel about mongol history? sir, consider yourself subbed! May you ride proudly beneath The Eternal Blue Sky

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Your loyalty honours the Great Khan

[@bugzyhardrada3168]

"He swept through the land burning and pillaging all in his sight All while he men chanted to their leader *IF ANYONE CAN GENGHIS CAN* "

[@jashbadrijoebiden9676]

Lol I hate blue sky 😁

[@jashbadrijoebiden9676]

@Ah Du oh sorry 😐

[@ltcn]

I am a Crimean Tatar and of course I am Turkic, not Mongolic.

[@ltcn]

@ercan kilic You have a very long way to go laddy. First of all, you need a lesson not to swear to people you write to. Secondly, I know well poor guys like you ! You have absurd ideas without haven't any real knowledge. I do not have time to waste with you. So I leave you in your ignorance. Do not ever attempt to respond. Work hard. Bye..

[@moviesharon5726]

You're Mongolic turk

[@ainurainur5505]

Mende !

[@hamoudhabibi1996]

Movies Haron They speak a variation of Turkic languages, they look like other Turkic people, they have Turkic culture and you say the are mongolians??! how dumb can one be??!

[@johnnyb8825]

@@moviesharon5726 How can he be a Mongolic Turk (unless he's part Mongol and part Turkic, or a Mongolian citizen of Turkic ancestry, or a citizen of a Turkic country and of Mongol ancestry)? Ethnically, Mongols are Mongols and Turkics are Turkics.

[@hadadezer8047]

That was genuinely very informative, interesting, and well explained. Subbed.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Thank you, I do try to be!

[@bosbanon3452]

The Indonesian also called the Yuan invasion army as tatar

[@taymidemir8099]

Hilmi Prabowo what ?? Really 😮 ?

[@bosbanon3452]

钱昀晓 the Mongols attacked Kediri and backstabbed by Raden Wijaya

[@bosbanon3452]

The Mongols commander name are Shibi , gauxing and Ike mese (i don't know how to spell it in Mandarin)

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Hilmi Prabowo It's amazing what people will do when they believe it is their destiny to conquer the world. according to Morris Rossabi the three were a Mongol, (Shihbi) a chinese, (Kao Hsing) and an Uighur (I-k'o o-mu-ssu, which is spelled according to Wade-Giles system). Invasion was launched 1292, arrived the next year Kublai Khan in his old age sent invasions to Japan, Burma, Vietnam and of course Java, trying to continue his conquests. All were largely failures, but on this one they brought back a rhino at least.

[@6principlesforcartography61]

钱昀晓 Invasion of Java.

[@dragonsfury3370]

Hi, man, you say that Tatars are primarily a Mongolian tribe, but how could you explain the fact that they were mentioned first in turkic inscriptions as OTUZ Tatar and Dokuz Tatar (that mean from turkic thirty tatars and nine tatars). If they were mongolians, why their own name was turkic. They were turkic tribes!

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

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[@mutoka6908]

No they were mongolian tribe at that time and later became tutkic tribe if i understand correctly i think one of the ancestors or modern turkics are tatars like pure turkic person kinda looks like asian so yeah

[@khan1129]

Tatar in ancient Turkic language means alien or alien. Tatar is not Turkic. It refers to the people who speak Mongolian in the east or the descendants of Rouran Khanate.

[@feminism8583]

@@khan1129 How do you know these tribes speak Mongolian?

[@doyouwantthetotalwar]

Tatar was a generic confederacy name even back then, and didnt denote a specific ethnicity. Gök Türks considered Otuz Tatar as Turks, but Dokuz Tatar as a foreign ethnicity who spoke Mongol. Only during 12th century and onwards Tatars specifically began to be associated with being Turkic, after complete assimilation of few Mongols among Cuman-Kipchak Turks.

[@cvb2733]

I love how you pronounce Genghis Khan, you pronounce it properly. I hope you can do research on Hazaras of Afghanistan. We have many tribe names within our ethnic group. There are Behsud/Behsut Hazaras, Dai-Khitai Hazaras, Dai-Kundi Hazaras, Jaghori Hazaras, Turkmen Hazaras, and more clan names. My father has told me that our ancestors are from Mongols. I believe we could've built a nation like Kazakhstan or Kyrgyzstan and flourished well but we became oppressed by the other ethnic groups very quickly. Many of us, like most Turkic people, follow Islam, but we are not accepted by the people within our own country. We are labeled as savages still, and the Iranians call Hazara refugees in their country "barbari" which means Barbarian. So far I have yet to see some representation for our people and support. We are not recognized by other Turkic nations because of oppression and not recognized by our own nation either. If you have any questions about tribes, genetics, blood, culture, I have many sources and links to provide. Keep up the great videos! Thanks.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Thank you! I will definitely do a video on them at some point: I thinking of doing a series similar to this video covering the peoples who emerged after the Mongol conquests as there seems to be quite a bit of interest in it, and I would be very interested in covering tribes and peoples who are very unknown in the west and would like to have their history presented! I would love to see those sources at some point! I know only a little about the Hazara: supposedly the name comes from the 'tumen,' the Mongol word for their largest army group meaning 10,000. The clan names you listed as well are very interesting, as some of them appear quite similar to some Mongolian tribe names. I will add them and your name to my list of future topics to cover.

[@professionalhacker2834]

Zamir Nadir brother why your leaders go to turkey and ask for help to gain autonomy in Afghanistan I heard turk government helps a lot of turkic speakers nations plz be the leader for your community and seek help Insha Allah my prayers are with you freedom for hazara people

[@amarbatariunbold8345]

Zamir Nadir Hazaras, uzbeks, khirgiz, kazakhs, tuvas, mongols we all share the same blood.. because mongol empire was huge all of our people had settled down in various lands adapting to different climate and culture, thats the only difference we have. As a Mongol, i want to let you know that we are aware of the brutality Hazara people go through, but one day we will unite once again brother.

[@deanchainz912]

Zamir Nadir Turkmen Hazara saying Salam to a fellow Hazara! Yes, hopefully we soon get our own nation within Afghanistan.

[@LeoniDAS643]

You want a nation within Afghanistan? and where should that be? never mind that will never ever happened. Let me enlighten you of your forefathers.. they were mongols and not turks of Central Asia. therefore Turks won't accept you as theirs.. Maybe you should go back to Mongolia and settle down there ... that way you can unite with Amarbat Ariunbold.. lol

[@ionicafardefrica]

In the 14th to 16th century, there was alot of fighting in my current country territory with the Golden Horde (I know mostly about Moldavia) but big clashes were common all along the border, and up in Poland as well. Every chronicle mentions them as Tatars, and it seems this is what they also identified themselves as, not "Tartars". On various occasion (pretty much like the nobles in Europe used to have pompous titles), they referred to themselves with the rank they held in the Khanate of the Golden Horde, or with their blood ties to the leaders of Horde, but generally they called themselves "Tatars" as well. Please note the Khanate of the Golden Horde does not represent the old Mongol empire, it's just a splinter that liked to consider themselves as the "pure blood descendants". They had very close ties to the Ottoman Empire, and very often they would ally and coordinate attacks with them. They would raid and pillage the lands while the Ottomans fought the main battles somewhere else or be hired as mercenaries with mass light cavalry. They were not Muslims, not entirely at least. They worshiped animalistic gods and had separate language and customs to the Ottomans, though many people confuse them.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Interesting, I hadn't known about the maintenance of older religions among the Tatars, but I suppose it makes sense that the spread of Islam would not have been even among all of them. It is also interesting how often they were employed as mercenaries across eastern Europe: I believe at the Siege of Vienna in 1683, both sides had Tatars fighting with them. Off the top of my head, I think one of the details was that the Tatars fighting for the Polish would put straw in their hats so that they could be told apart from the Tatars fighting for the Ottomans.

[@ionicafardefrica]

they were both part of the same language group. You would understand each other as much as a native English speaker understands German, Afrikaans or Dutch for instance... As a matter of fact, there are so many dialects even amongst Tatars today they can't even understand each other. So my point stands, I guess - they spoke a different language then the Ottomans.

[@ionicafardefrica]

you might find this interesting: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3u1goV6a7F0o7s Seem the Ottomans used a deviation of Turkish with up to 80% words coming from Persian and Arabic, while the rest of dialects did not. After Atatürk, the language became more uniform and mutually intelligible.

[@phuckyall6079]

Cenk Tüneygök yeah, dutch is faster to learn with an English speaker than German. English is now mostly romance in words but Germanic in grammar. I could not even understand almost nothing in German.

[@Ryder2010G6]

ionicafardefrica i m partly Crimean Tatar and Tatar-Turkish intelligibility is like 90% minimum. Also tartar doesn t mean anything. In tatar we say Qırım tatar (Crimean tatar), socTartar is only the sauce and not the people :)))

[@KCAlbak]

There's a similar confusion with referring to Cimmerians, Scythians, Massagetae, and Sarmatians (including Roxolani, Serboi, Chroatii, Iazyges, etc.) as just "Scythians" over a period of several hundred years...

[@jackalhead7433]

Medieval Karen: "You are a Tatar or more accurately a Tartar crawl back to you stepper Tartar" Medieval Mongol: "Alright mam you uttered the "T" word deliberately too many times I'm taking this to the court"

[@tuzruneissik7168]

They speak a Turkic language which is 90% mutually intelligible with Turkey Turkish.

[@evsen75]

That is the Crimean dialect... Kazan, Siberian is a lot harder to understand

[@ercanbando9395]

LANGUAGE WAS ADAPTED , IT IS NOT ABOUT DNA , IDIOT , ASSIMILATION OF CRIMEAN TATARS IS THE KEY POINT.

[@ercanbando9395]

language is not dna , with this logic we are all english , tatars speak multiple languages , the reason why they clam turkey is a british blueprint .

[@archiefeld5801]

Yeah and mexicans speak spanish 100 % americans speak english 100% and many african countries speak french, you are brilliant, language doesnt make a people it can be adaptes, we ate looking foe racial and historical origins, tatars are clearly not from turkey despite the fact that millions of tatars live in turkey today because there anchestord fled from russians back in 1944.

[@metehankanmaz8805]

@@archiefeld5801 Tatars are Turkic idiot no one say they are originally from Turkey.

[@pete2389]

Thank you for explaining this, it can be kind of confusing when you're reading up on history and see Genghis khan conquered the tatars near china. Then later on people all the way in eastern europe are referring to the mongols as tatars. This is the first time I've seen anyone clarify this.

[@feminism8583]

Tatars are Turkic, descent of Kipchak and Bulgarian Turks who lived in Europe before Mongol. Most of the population of the Kipchak Khanate（Also known as the Golden Horde） is the Kipchak and Bulgars turkic.The Mongols occupied the Kipchak Steppe, but the Mongols were assimilated by the Kipchak Turks.

[@craik7]

It is interesting because in Islamic literature Mongols are always referred to as Tatars and not Mongols.. makes me wonder if actually the bulk of the Mongol army was actually made of Tatars/turkic? And the generals / top elite were Mongols..

[@pars-efe3543]

Subutai was Tuvan Turk

[@teovu5557]

Look up the origin of the name tatar first buddy. Lol It was the generic name for mongolic speakers that the Turks gave to the mongolic tribes. Even Genghis Khans enemies the mongolic speaker Tatar confederation used the name. Ever wonder why no Turkic tribes used the name tatar til they were conquered by the mongols? Lol According to most academic sources, the name "Tatar" was the Turkic designation for Mongols.[30] As Ushnitsky writes, the ethnonym "Tatar" was used by the Turks only to designate "strangers", that is, peoples who did not speak Turkic languages. The Turkic tribes living among their Mongol-speaking neighbors were also called "tat" or "tat-ar".[31] According to Bartold, the peoples of Mongolian origin who spoke the Mongolian language had always called themselves Tatars. Subsequently, this word was completely supplanted by the word "Mongol".[32]: 560 And adopted now by the descendants of Turks who joined the mongol empire.

[@pars-efe3543]

@@teovu5557 Tatars were the tribe that poisoned Genghis Khan's father. During the Mongol invasion of the Kipchaks, the Tatars were exiled to the Kipchak land and became Kipchaks.

[@teovu5557]

@@pars-efe3543 these were tatars of the three Tatar confederation not tatars in general which refers to all mongolic speaking tribes. Pre mongol empire.

[@blackbaron7881]

@@pars-efe3543He was from Uriankhai tribe . Uriankhai people also live in Tuva but they’re Mongolic people not slave Turks .

[@godemperorfou-lu9305]

European people called all nomadic steppe warior people who attacked european lands "tatar" this is why many people confuse mongolians with modernday tatars. Hungarians where also called turks in european chronicles. Doesnt make them turks. People often times didint know who their enemy was and used old terms, for exampe chinese people called all nomadic invaders "huns". The original people that were called tatar by the europeans where actually mongolians and some kipchak turkic people who raided russian/european lands due to the rise of the mongol empire. What also played a role is that tatar sounds like tartarus (hell), this is was used in order to demonize the raiders. Over the time the name "tatar" stucked and the kipchaks who settled in modernday russia even before mongolians came, became "tatars". Modernday tatar people in russia and europe are kipchak turkic people with a slight slavic and mongolic influence. THEY are turkic. Mongolians are mongolic and belong to a different group than tatars.

[@jubanumidia8460]

God Emperor Fou-Lu hangars are mostly Turkic, especially the coumans , the avars , bulgars ..ext

[@mihailnikoloff2554]

Bulgars were of Iranic/Scythian origin. They are not related to turkic people or tatars.

[@mihailnikoloff2554]

LiberterKedi Bulgars slaughtered turkic people.

[@LiberterKedi]

Oh really Mihail ? So they run away after killed Khazars and Avars ?

[@hizelv8754]

Bulgars were Oghur(cousin of modern Turkic) speaking people with Iranic/Scythian origins. Actually Turkic peoples are(and were) mixture of nomad Iranic and East-Asian peoples in different ratios. Language and culture transformation(briefly assimilation) in nomadic peoples happened through history. Turkic peoples are not expection.

[@TheArkan6]

My grandma is half Tatar and from what i got is that Mongols used Tatars to collect money from the Russians principlities they were like their hench men but over years we mixed a lot a lot not even just the Tatars many Turkic ppl in central asia mixed with mongols not always willingly the reson for that is that we re different people but culturally very similar we were both nomadic for most of our history so it wouldve been easy to get married to one another and if we go deeper i mean that whole eurasian steppe is just one large grassland with nothing major seperating with hundreds of groups running up and down the steppe its a crazy mixing pot i mean look at Turkmens or Uzbeks for example we look so mixed its like a new race was formed from all the mixes most Turkic ppl are very mixed

[@shermanpeabody6102]

The Uyghurs are a mixture of Caucasian and Mongolian.

[@slee-01]

Are Tatars Turkic people? Are Tatars originally Caucasian race or Mongolian race? Are Turkic people originally Caucasian race or Mongolian race? I know that Tatars originally lived in the present day eastern Monglia and Turkic people originally lived in the present day Monglia.

[@TheArkan6]

@@slee-01 Tatars are turkic not mongolic similar cultures but different many tatars are mixed some look very slavic some asian some middle eastern they are eurasian

[@Algee-kn9jh]

@@TheArkan6original Tatars were Mongolic not Turkic !!! Even Turks called Mongol speaking nomads as tatars . Modern Tatar is just given name by foreigners.

[@TheArkan6]

@@Algee-kn9jh Tatar is a turkic language Bashkir is a turkic language Chuvash is a turkic language thats a fact . saing turks this and that is dumb turks live in turkey turkic is a whole family of groupsvery different stuff

[@indigal1720]

Okay, what can you say about Volga Bulgars? Those tatars in modern Tatarstan also called themselves "Idel bolgary". Any info about this?

[@PimsleurTurkishLessons]

After Golden Horde , all people in it were named as Tatar but there were Turkic tribes and these lands were named “Kypchak lands. There were Cuman-Kypchak Turks, Pechenek Turks and Volga Bulgarian Turks. all of these tribes are different Turkic tribes, İn Divan lugat Turk, (first Turkish dictionary 1072) Mahmut Kashgari tells about Turkic tribes and their dialects, he mentions all of them as different tribes not same and he tells about sound changes among them for example y of Oghuz Turkish turns into j in Kypchak Turkish so that yol-jol =way

[@Reader_curiosity]

Tatar halkı Türk halkları arasındadır. "Dîvânu Lugâti't-Türk" kitabında Kaşgari, Türk halkları arasındaki Tatar halkından bahsetmiştir. Ve dilleri ve coğrafi bölgeleri hakkında çok konuştu. İşte "Dîvânu Lugâti't-Türk" kitabından bir dizi örnek: 1- Yagma. Tuxsı, Qıfçäq, Yabàqu , Tatär , Qäy, Çömul Ve Oguz kavimleri bütün zel'Ieri ye’ye dönüştürmekte hemfikirdirler. Bunu asla zel olarak söylemealer. 2- tär. Sal Tulumlar ştşirtitr ve açik ağızlari bağlanarak yan yana dizilirler; böylece suyun üzerinde ceuya benzeyen düz bir seki yapıtlrmış olur ve insanlar bunun üzerine oturarak nehrin karşı kıyısına geçerler. Böylesi bir taşıt kamışlardan ya da ağac dallarından da yapılabilir (Yabaqu ve Tatär lehçelerinde). bkz. Säl. 3- "Ötüken" = "Tataristan çöllerinde bir yer adı. Uygur iline yakındır."

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Helal

[@Akbaba001]

Very glad to have encountered this channel!

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

I'm glad you found it as well!

[@henriquebitencourt4280]

"White tatars,black tatars and raw tatars" The jurchen were categorized in the same manner: Raw: "savage" or "primitive and the cooked: sinicized

[@tripplehhh2584]

Same with Tibetan

[@istvanmargittoth4268]

I am Hungarian, and the huns were also categorized as "white huns" and "black huns" and our ancestors lived in the same regions

[@jashbadrijoebiden9676]

@Ah Du I think han is a titile used by Turks 🙄

[@jashbadrijoebiden9676]

@Ah Du thank u

[@jashbadrijoebiden9676]

@Ah Du thank u brother ❤️

[@hannibalbarca2928]

I am Tatar.we are not Mongol. We Turkic origin.

[@batukhan4540]

Iam mongol and iam not turk

[@hellhades3115]

@saf299 Mongols destroying tatars idiot

[@maksimsrjazancevs552]

I didn't know that we were originally from Turk. I thought we were originally Russian...

[@ercankilic5782]

Hannibal Barca* you are tataric mongols not turkish back off grom out identity fucking enemy

[@ercankilic5782]

evansdrad turkic is not about dna its language , its like sayin i have hispanic dna , tatars are not from turkey end of story

[@spacecat6463]

Im a Volga Bolgar or mainly known as Kazan Tatar and as far as I know the word Tatar means "archer" in the meaning of "the people that see and aim far out" In actuality it doesn't matter what the specific name we gave ourselves is, since its purely based on the geographical location, we are all Turks. Etymologically the word "Turk" was first used on one of the the Orhun scriptures' - ca. 700 AD during the Gokturk Empire- and it is used to define a unity of several groups of people, - like an acronym NATO or EU- that speaks the same language and have the same traditions and the same enemy. BTW, tradition is not used as religion in Turkish culture, since they are different subjects -unlike in the western lifestyle-. Saying that all Turks belong to this religion is weird. Everyone's religion is for themselves, it is private.

[@Viki4a]

Well i am danube Bulgarian which means i am mixed turkic Bulgar and slav that makes Bulgarian

[@nathan_408]

​@@Viki4a probably not, the Bulgarians were your political and military elite, the people remained mostly Slavic.

[@raritica8409]

@@Viki4awhat about the old Thracians? Is there any remnant of them in Bulgaria I wonder

[@Viki4a]

@@raritica8409 yeah we have some ruins left

[@raritica8409]

@@Viki4a very neat. My dads side is Tatar from Kazan! Bulgaria has always fascinated me

[@jk1776yt]

Very educational video. You satisfied a confusion I have had with the description of Tatar for some time.

[@tsheringchoden8165]

Mongols were the centaurs of the old stories of the west..

[@henriquebitencourt5253]

Tatar was a very relative nomination,hell even the manchus were called tatars in the 17th century

[@billdehappy1]

manchus=mannush? aven romani?

[@Pyro-Moloch]

A simple explanation, tatar is almost the same as turkic. It was used by russians towards turkic-speaking people outside of Russia as well. For example, when Russia came to conquer Caucasus, they used to call the local turkic peoples tatars. Kumyks were called Dagestani Tatars, Azerbaijanis were called Azerbaijani Tatars (that's where they got their ethnicity from tbh, cause they used to be just persians).

[@yuhaochen4470]

The term Tartar was used long before the Russians themselves even existed. The earliest reference to the word came from the 5th century Chinese records, and referred to proto-Mongolic people who live in the northeast.

[@Pyro-Moloch]

@@yuhaochen4470 I know. That's not what I'm talking about.

[@feminism8583]

@@yuhaochen4470 It originally refers to the tribes under the rule of the Turkic Khanate, which may be Turkic, Mongolian or other. Mongolia has never called itself Tatar.The Tartars were also accused of killing Genghis Khan,so Genghis Khan's empire could not have called itself Tatar.

[@yuhaochen4470]

@@feminism8583 Unfortunately that is not true. The term Tartars predates even the Turkic Khanates, it was first used by the Chinese in the 5th century to describe the eastern remnants of the Rouran Khanate, which has been widely regarded as a proto-Mongolic people. This term found its way into the western Turkic population through the rise of the Turkic Khanate, but the Rouran remnants who lived in the east of the Mongolian plateau kept calling themselves Tartars. they are separated from the Borjigin Mongols which were the "Mongolians" you were referring to. They were not the only Mongolic people at the time, that is if Genghis Khan`s lineage was at all Mongolic.

[@zzhex6780]

What are you talking about it’s clear you’re either a retarded Armenian or Iranian who doesn’t know anything about history. The Azerbaijani ethnicity was never Persian even in the dna of modern day Azerbaijan 33% central Asian contribution is found not to mention that the word Azerbaijan was used by the atabegs of Azerbaijan in the 1100s the Azerbaijanis themselves called each other turcomans because that’s what they were the Anatolian Turks who came during the Seljuk conquest just as the Azerbaijanis dropped the name turcoman while the Azerbaijanis kept it until the late 1800s

[@mihailnikoloff2554]

The Tatars were originally a Mongol Tribe. The modern day republic of Tatarstan in the Russian Federation are descendants of Mongols who mixed with the Volga Bulgars.

[@harrymcnicholas9468]

No the people of Tatarstan have no Mongolian DNA.

[@ercanbando9395]

@@harrymcnicholas9468 they have mongol dna

[@archiefeld5801]

@@harrymcnicholas9468 you are a anti turkish and anti muslim person, thats all you want people to think that turks were mongolian invaders and that turkey was a ancient greek country, ridiculous.

[@Orgil.]

@@harrymcnicholas9468 wtf are you talking about they have Mongol dna

[@Дормидон-и5б]

Нынешние волжские татары из булгар хазар и половцев. Монгольских ген нет.

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

The name Tatar first appeared among nomadic tribes living in northeastern Mongolia and the area around Lake Baikal from the 5th century CE. Unlike the Mongols, these peoples spoke a Turkic language, and they may have been related to the Cuman or Kipchak peoples. After various groups of these Turkic nomads became part of the armies of the Mongol conqueror Genghis Khan in the early 13th century, a fusion of Mongol and Turkic elements took place, and the Mongol invaders of Russia and Hungary became known to Europeans as Tatars (or Tartars).

[@bayermgl]

Still trying to spread yr Turkish propaganda. Why you are on every Mongolian content? You are just Turkish speaking Persian. So mind yr own business instead of spreading yr bullshit

[@Orgil.]

source : trust me bro

[@caramihaiisa6288]

Perfect, kipchak -Tatar.

[@yo2trader539]

The Ohrkon Inscriptions suggest many thing about Turkic/Tatar history. I was much surprised when I found out many of them were in the Tang military. Chinese historical texts record many names and characteristics about the people north of the wall. Tatar ruled the Mongolian Steppe for thousands of years and much about them has been recorded.

[@Ikhgenghiskhan]

@Tengis westerns called anatolian lands "Turkiye,Turqie" after 1100s. ;)

[@ottoman000scholar]

I appreciate your input into a mostly neglected part of history in the west.

[@jonmopjovi2734]

This has confused me for years! Thank you!!!!

[@MuhammedAliAçıkgöz-r5w]

the colors repreesents directions, not what you said. black is north (black sea named by turks) , white is west (we call akdeniz - meaning white sea - to mediterranean) , red is south (red sea) , east is blue and the centre is yellow or gold. golden horde's name came from here. it was unification between ak orda (white horde, which was the west part) and gök orda (blue horde, east part) and orda/ordu means army but it entered English as a new word, the reason was that nomadic Turko-Mongol armies were different from European armies.

[@RTWfan1234]

Interestingly, one ruling medieval dynasty in Bulgaria was called Terter, presumably a branch of the Terteroba family. Of Cuman descend, maybe it has some relation to the Tartar ethnonim

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

RTWfan1234 really? That is very interesting. What years were they around, do you know? I don't know much about Medieval Bulgaria, but I can speak for the influence of the Mongols and the Tatars certainly were significant figures in eastern Europe for the next few centuries. Bulgaria due to its proximity to the Mongol-Tatar sphere of influence would certainly​ be close enough for such a relationship.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

A significant number of Cumans were driven into Hungary by the Mongol advance, and Europeans did see them as related to the Mongols, a "branch" of Tatar from their point of view

[@RTWfan1234]

Well the royal house Terter were around the second half of the 13th century and the first half of the 14th century. Actually all the dynasties from the Second Bulgarian Tsardom (1185 - 1396) are said to have Cuman origins - Asen, Terter, Shishman . Surely because of the proximity there was some contact and relations and thanks to the settlement of cumans in the region in waves hence the ruling dynasties. Anyway, very nice and informative video. Did you do the art yourself?

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

I did a little reading on the Terters, and I was quite interested in them, and the Golden Horde it seems played quite a big role in their politics. At one point a son of Nogai, a major warlord within the Golden Horde, appears to have (very briefly) become the power behind the throne in Bulgaria, marrying into the dynasty before he was pushed out. I will definitely make a video on it when I get to discussing Europe and the Mongols, as Bulgaria provides an excellent example of the interplay between states in eastern Europe, the Byzantines and the Horde, and I myself am eager to learn more on it. Thank you! Yes, all images are done by me. It means I can effectively show whatever I want, as long as I can draw it, doesn't leave me limited to what I can find on Google and means I can avoid tricky copyright stuff. It is a neat thought that in some cases I might actually be the first person creating an image of some of these people discussed in the videos!

[@RTWfan1234]

That's neat. I'll be looking forward to more videos. Subscribing :)

[@hamzaalmdghri8741]

Tatar is the name of a pastoral nomadic federation that used to live in southeastern Inner and Outer Mongolia, and the Mongols are the name of a pastoral nomadic confederation in northeastern Mongolia and Russia, but the name Tatar Generalized to all the inhabitants of Mongolia and Manchuria, they are divided into white Tatars, black Tatars and raw Tatars.And foreigners call all the nomadic inhabitants of Mongolia and Manchuria the title of Tatar, but this name is not called among the people of Mongolia because they differentiate themselves by the names of their tribes.Such as the Mongolian Confederation, the Tatar Confederation, the Merket Confederation, the Kyarit Confederation and the Turkish-Mongolian Naiman Confederation Among these confederations there are tribes such as Jadran, Barlas, Taishud .....etc But scholars put the term Proto-Mongol as a differentiation from the Koreans, the Chinese, the Tibetans, the Tungusians, the Turks, and some Arctic peoples.

[@monobo3000]

Thanks! Great explanation. Very common confusion when reading ancient russian history.

[@Mohammed_Angler]

Is the Genghis Khan 2004 tv drama historically accurate?

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

I've only ever watched a few minutes of it. From what I saw, the costumes and props were sometimes alright, sometimes they were pretty bad and most of the tactics I saw being used were not historical. But I haven't watched enough of the show itself to say how historical it is overall. From what I understand it does follow the course of his life. The actor who plays Chinggis, Ba Sen, is a descendant of Chinggis' son Chagatai.

[@Mohammed_Angler]

@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory ok thanks. Watching the series helped me memorize the events in Genghis Khan's life, though I don't consider tv shows as reliable sources of information. By the way, I have 2 questions: 1. Do you know the names of the Tatar leaders who fought against Temujin? In the tv series they mentioned Zhalinbuhe, the son of Temujin who was killed by Yesugei, and Miewujinxiaolitu, his uncle (the names are pronounced in Chinese). 2. Do you know the name of the battle between Temujin and the Kereids around 1203 after which Temujin was forced to withdraw eastwards? In the tv series it's called Hualazinshatu something.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

That's a good way to think of movies, tv, historical fiction books or 'popular history' like John Man's series. Easier to digest and introduce yourself to a topic than a thick scholarly book or a translations of the primary sources, which can be overwhelming with names and terms. After getting a feel and a general outline of the topic (or Hell, even a way to visualize where it is taking place!), one can then go on to more serious literature. For your questions: 1) there are only a few Tatars named in the Secret History of the Mongols that Temujin fought against: despite their fame, and role in his father's death, Temujin, as recorded in the Secret History at least, doesn't have much encounters with them, spending more time fighting the Taychi'ut, Merkit and later on Jamuhka, Toghrul Ong Khan. The first recorded battle in the 1190s has a Tatar chief named Megujin Se'ultu, and the later encounter around 1202 wherein Temujin destroys the Tatars, the only prominent Tatar is Yeke Ceren, whose rank and any other information is not indicated. Temujin's half brother Belgutei tells Yeke Ceren of the Mongol plans to kill the Tatar prisoners, and Yeke Ceren leads a brief resistance resulting in the deaths of some Mongols. Beyond that, I don't think any other Tatars are named who fought Temujin (in the Secret History at least, possibly the Yuan Shih might have some, but I don't have access to it unfortunately). No son of Temujin Uge is named is far as I know, so I would imagine he was included in the show for the narrative drama relating to their fathers. 2) That battle is usually in English called Qalaqaljit Sands, but spellings can vary wildly on that. Khalakhalzhit, I think I have seen on one occasion, and 'sands' is sometimes left in Mongolian.

[@wackyruss]

Modern day Tatars reside in Tatarstan (which is located within Russia). Kazan is the famous city in Tatarstan. Also, there are a different group that reside in Crimea (the land Russia recently seized from Ukraine) called Crimean Tatars. Both Tatar groups speak a Turkic language and they also speak Russian. They are related to other Central Asian Turkic people such as Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Uyghur, Turkmen, Azeris, and to some extent the Turkish people of modern day Turkey. However the Tatars in Siberian Russia (Tatarstan) bear a physical resemblance to Mongolians much like Kazakhs, however Turkic languages are not in the same family as Mongolian languages. Also Tatars like most other Central Asian peoples are Muslim.

[@wanjuchien4208]

Thank You. It all makes sense now to where the Tatars resides. U help me to connect the dot. It is important for Russian to take Crimea as the Tatars are their people ( Putin's/ Karistus)

[@kara3198]

in those days, the Mongols, the Chinese of all the Turkic tribes called Tatars / Kipchaks in Russia, the Polovtsians and Bulgars, in the Ukrainian Slavs, the Turkic tribes were called Pechenegs and on the cherry Arabs and Persians called Oghuz all information provided IS COLLECTIVE for TURKIC SPEAKERS the Mongols broke away from the Altaic branch (proto-Turkic language family) created their own new family of languages ​​MONGOLIAN group and the Turkic language was slightly reformed into new different dialects and mixtures like Oguz (mixing with Persian and Greek), Kipchak is also divided inside and the Chuvash group (which has changed slightly towards the Finno-Ugric peoples) and SIBERIAN ALTAI (TUVAN ALTAI KHAKASS AND YAKUT)

[@garyssheydrich518]

Which group invented tartar sauce?

[@nugnorab5257]

Dental group🤣

[@Mitchery]

What's the name of background music played in the video?

[@armincal9834]

In Tatar language and also Russians,they are always called tatars and never TaRtars. Also the "Mongolian" empire was not Mongolian at all, 90%of them were Turkic which is why there are 300million Turkic speakers but 13 million Mongol speakers in the world right now. Tartars was how the Europeans called them

[@harrymcnicholas9468]

BS. The empire was created by the Mongols and they murdered millions of Turkic people along with others. Eventually they stopped killing them and used them as soldiers. Also, many people who speak Turkic are not Turkic by DNA.

[@harrymcnicholas9468]

It was built by the Mongols who took over the lands of the Turkic people. The Mongols did the same with the Chinese and the Russians.

[@armincal9834]

i can't agree with you. they did not murder millions of Turks, Turks were never Genetically homogeneous, they were nomads and had no "lands" that could be conquered,"stopped killing them and used them as soldiers" makes me ROFL

[@deniz-qm1tu]

What is Turkic DNA? There are not anything as Turkic/Russian/English DNA.

[@michaelralte8195]

The Mongols were so succesful in subjugating the Turks and incorporating them intl the empire and yes the empire ended up with more Turks than ethnic Mongols. But does that make it a Turkic empire? LOL. Lets call the British empire Indian empire because the Indians outnumber the British right.

[@serkankinden5150]

Tatars are one of turkic people. Turkic, Ugric people were the HUNS. Huns were spread into different directions from Altai region. These colors define their regions to define the location: Göktürks (Blue Huns) - eastern side of turkic region. Black Huns - northern side of turkic region. Golden (European) Huns - western side of turkic region. White (Hephtalite) Huns - southern side of turkic region.

[@timurjoro1995]

What a perfect explanation! Thank you the Jackmeister! Keep up the great work! Greetings from a Turk(not an oghuz Turkish 😏) a descendant of Timur from Kyrgyzstan 🇰🇬!

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Thank you! I hope to be able to discuss Timur in the future as well!

[@suluayran121]

Well Oghuz Turks are much more handsome and have good literature art poetrt history. Much more to be proud than raiding random towns as some do...

[@fyoloswaggins5203]

sulu ayran that's so mean yet so true

[@Nilvolentibusje]

Turks are Turks dont be racist to other Turks :D damn the Turks creating own racism and stuff within a race asdasgdgahsvdf

[@OlymposKratos]

Timur Joro Timur was an Uzbek Turk

[@CArchivist]

I went to Wayne State University in Detroit and for decades, the sports teams were called the Tartars. Eventually, the University gave up trying to explain to people what Tartars were and just rebranded the nickname to The Warriors in the 1990s, which it remains today.

[@kaloarepo288]

In Greco-Roman mythology Tartarus is the name of one of the lowest regions of Hell and during the Middle Ages because of the reputation of the Tartars for cruelty and fierceness, some writers assumed that the two words were connected and that Tartars came from the lowest region of hell.But there is no connection between the two words.

[@harrymcnicholas9468]

You are correct and thus the Europeans gave them the name of Tartars and not Tatars.

[@ercanbando9395]

there is no such thing as greco roman , this is british zionist propaganda , creating mythss is just an agenda

[@Lee-jh6cr]

I am part Lipka Tatar. Lipkas were led into Poland-Lithuania by Tokhtamysh, a descendent of Genghis Khan, of the Golden Horde as it broke apart. Recent genetic studies of Lipkas are as 30 0/0 East Asian, the rest West/Central Asiatic, with some genetics from the Caucasus and Eastern Europe. They originally spoke Kipchak and were Tengrist. Those that arrived later were Muslim, but with Turkic customs.

[@darth1nsidious726]

Wait a channel focused on mongol history! You have my sub. Could you do a video on the Tatar Yoke

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

In the future, it will be down! I hope to cover all the four Khanates and their succeeding states in time.

[@oguzhandikmen3782]

Tatarians are of course turkic just mongolians very expected from turkic culture so tatarians werent looking like tatarians,mongolic people were looking like tatarian

[@Orgil.]

@@oguzhandikmen3782 nope tatars are the Mongols.in ancient turkic language tatar means alien.so they must be Mongols

[@dominik156NT]

Most of turkic people are not mongols or tatars, turkich peoples are not turkic how simple is that... Most of tatars is in Russia.....

[@henriquebitencourt4280]

The Golden Horde was also called "Kipchak Khanate"

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

For a very long time, that confused me needlessly, thinking that people were refferring to the Kipchak-Cuman confederation before the Mongol arrival, as I was so used to 'Golden Horde.' But names like 'Desht-i Kipchak,' 'Kipchak ulus,' etc are actually some of the most common ways the primary sources refer to it.

[@archiefeld5801]

Kipcaks are fucking jews

[@emrekose2168]

Archie Feld Khazars were jewish. Kipchaks were christian and muslim

[@billdehappy1]

@@archiefeld5801 and thats why peopole think we rulez ze worldz

[@dragonsfury3370]

Muhammed Mete Khazars were Turkic tribes, they werent jews

[@almazchati4178]

In Ottoman army, tatar was a military division. They provided postal services between different regions and also accompanied the ambassadors and delegations. I think that is how Russian and others came to know the tatars, when they accompanied ambassadors of the Khans. Tribal names probably originate from the professions of their prominent members

[@MichailHordens]

The true appearance of Chinghiz Khan, the real History of the Tatars and many of Turkic peoples: Perhaps you know, that an outstanding historian-scientist D. Iskhakov wrote: ‘the true history of the Tatars, of the people in every respect historical, is not written yet’. However, recently were published books about the unwritten (hidden) real history of the Tatars by independent Tatar historian Gali Yenikey. His books present a new, or rather ‘well-forgotted old’ information about the real history of the Tatars and other Turkic peoples. It must be said, that in official history there are many falsifications and slanders about the ‘Tatars - wild nomads’ etc., which were written by pro-Chinese, Persian, also both Romanovs and Bolshevik ideologists. However primarily we should know the truth about the meaning of the names ‘Mongol’ and ‘Tatar’ (‘Tartar’) in the medieval Eurasia: According to data of many medieval sources, the name ‘Mongol’ until the 17th-18th centuries meant belonging to a political community, and was not the ethnic name. While ‘‘the name ‘Tatar’ was ‘the name of the own ethnos (nation) of Chinghiz Khan'. Also ‘…Chinghiz Khan and his people did not speak the language, which we now call the ‘Mongolian’…’’ (an academician-orientalist V.P.Vasiliev, 19th century). This confirmed by many little known facts. So in fact Chinghiz Khan was from among the medieval Tatars and the outstanding and progressive leader of the Turkic peoples. It is worth saying that according to many little-known data, the ancient and medieval Tatars were a very developed people both in spiritual and material aspects. It was the medieval Tatars who created the first Constitution of Eurasia, which was called in Tatar ‘Great Yasu’ (in Tatar means 'Great Scripture'). But with time many of their descendants became spiritually disabled and forgot invaluable doctrine and covenants of the creators of Great Yasu... So that the Tatars of Chinghiz Khan - medieval Tatars - were one of the Turkic nations, whose descendants now live in many of the fraternal Turkic peoples of Eurasia - among the Tatars, Kazakhs, Bashkirs, Uighurs, and many others. And few people know that the ethnos of medieval Tatars, which stopped the expansion of the Persians and the Chinese to the West of the World in Medieval centuries, is still alive. Despite to the politicians of the tsars Romanovs and Bolsheviks dictators, which had divided and scattered this ethnos to different nations... About everything above mentioned and a lot of the true history of the Tatars and other fraternal Turkic peoples, which was hidden from us, had been written, in detail and proved, in the book ‘Forgotten Heritage of Tatars’ - it is one of the dooks by Gali Yenikey, translated in Engilsh. There are a lot of previously little-known historical facts, as well as 16 maps and illustrations in this book. This e-book (in English language) you can easily find in the Internet: payhip.com/b/Xujb On the cover of this book you can see the true appearance of Chinghiz Khan. It is his lifetime portrait. In the ancient Tatar historical source ‘About the clan of Chinghiz Khan’ its author gave the words of the mother of Chinghiz Khan: ‘My son Chinghiz looks like this: he has a golden bushy beard, he wears a white fur coat and rides on a white horse’. As we can see, the portrait of an unknown medieval artist in many ways corresponds to the words of the mother of the Hero, which have come down to us in this ancient Tatar epic. Therefore, this portrait, which corresponds to the information of the Tatar source and to data from other sources, we believe, the most reliably transmits the appearance of Chinghiz Khan...’. And here's another interesting thing: We can't keep silent that some 'very important' official historians try to retell the content (or rather, the concept) of the works of the independent historian Gali Yenikey (Yenikeiev). But they conceal where the information was by them taken from. However it turned out they were unsuccessful and confused - this official historians, apparently, do not dare to show the real history of the Tatars, being afraid of their ‘scientific chiefs’. But not only this - see the portrait of Chingiz Khan - see on the 7th minute of the video of the Institute of history of the Academy of Sciences of Tatarstan (Russia): kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYjUc2pnnNhomMU - also this portrait is shown there both before and after. This portrait is reconstruction, which made by Yenikeiev on the basis of a lifetime portrait of Chingiz Khan and of information from the medieval Tatar Dastan (epic) 'About the Origin of Ciingiz Khan', as well as from other historical sources. This portrait was used by authors of the video without Yenikeiev's permission and without telling where the portrait came from. This portrait is published on the cover of G. R. Yenikeiev's book ‘Forgotten heritage of the Tatars’: see: payhip.com/b/Xujb For the first time this portrait was published on the cover of the third book by G. R. Yenikeiev ‘In the footsteps of the black legend’ (published in 2009), see its electronic version: payhip.com/b/DNdC This ‘creativity’ of the official historians is called among the decent people as plagiarism - that is, as theft.

[@Orgil.]

nope tatar means in ancient turkic language Alien.so tatars were Mongols

[@sUbScRiBeRswItHoUtvEdEo]

whats the name of the background music

[@TemuulTK]

Stop the propaganda. Some Mongols now mixed with the Middle East so what still does not not make them Mongol. Also many Mongols got Uralic Siberian in them. All Mongols come from all over the Central Asian mountains. Western Mongol people converted into Islam and allied with the middle eastern culture. All of these central Asian Mongol And Turkic nomadic tribes then united under Mongol empire perhaps in today's language. Because of unfortunately history is a bit whitewashed and Mongols were painted to be barbaric, wild and crazy and even created word Mongoloid to resemble people with down syndrome. All of this propaganda of fear and hate of Mongols as Mongols are the only Asian nation took over Euroasia. However, in reality, it was quite the opposite, the Mongols were/are very smart, sophisticated people. Mongol khans first introduced Romans paper for instance and allowed western traders from Venice and other parts of Italy to pass freely through the silk road and created sophisticated trading system etc... Today's most Mongol people's DNA consists of mostly different central Asian Mongol and Turkic tribal blood such are Kazak, Kalmyk, Buryat, Khalkh which are all Mongol people anyhow etc and some Siberian Uralic and Finnish DNA... There was not Turkic as separate entity back then as they were only one of the Mongol tribes. Mongol as a country and entity was created by our ancestors until then there was not Turks or Mongols. We were just nomadic people in Central Asia. In today's world people trying to divide Mongols into two ethnic groups of people like Turkic and Mongol when in reality these are just the same people come from the Central Asian mountains and were united under one country. Today's Turkish people, however, don't really look like the Turks from the Mongol mountains. Turks then looked like today's Kazak people. They are mixed and look more somewhat white which is why Caucasians trying to paint history as if Turks were the Tatars and different from the Mongols. As our country stretches from the east to the west our people also look a little different from one another. It is not unusual Mongols to have green eyes or lighter hair etc... Turks / tureg people are originated from Mongolia back then but today's Turkish people are not anymore closely related to their Mongol ancestors. All of these western Mongols now became part of Russia are all Mongol people. They resemble more Mongols than today's Turks. Today's Turkish people are more middle eastern than Central Asian Altaic people.

[@woff1959]

Interesting. Friar Julian went to the East to seek the old homeland of the Hungarians and met some, as well as the Volga Bulghars. He reported the new threat of "Tatars". The term has never been used with an 'r'.

[@GrandMasterAbe]

Is this where tartar sauce came from?

[@nicholasbeck1558]

Please post your reference to the historian Steven Powell and Georgia. I am interested in early Georgian history.

[@hannibalbarca2928]

I'm Tatar Turkic.not mongol

[@hannibalbarca2928]

@NO NAME7 Not language.Turkic group Ethno-Language family.

[@hannibalbarca2928]

@NO NAME7 Ethno means race.It is not religion.The ancient German people and today's German people have completely different genes, but are you saying that they are different people?Since all Turkic peoples spread to different regions, they mixed with different people.so there may be a difference.For example, a Turkish citizen living in Izmir has more Roman DNA than Greek.but they're not Roman, you know?The DNA results of the old Hungarian people and Göktürk emperors are almost the same.The people of Magyar living today are mingled with the Slavs.and it has no resemblance to the ancient Magyar people.because every race in the world is mixed.

[@hannibalbarca2928]

@NO NAME7 Even to stupid Moron google you will see that the meaning of Etnicity means race.we are not German, we are a Turkic people.Since we are real warriors, we spread and mixed in wide geographies.On the one hand, we established the Golden horde empire in the middle of Europe, On the one hand, we ruled Iran for 1000 years and India for 1000 years.Ottomans, Seljuks and Anatolia are in our hands for 1000 years.So why did we do this? Let me tell you.We lived quietly and calmly in the steppes of Mongolia and Turkestan, Later, Alexander the Great started to organize expeditions to Turkistan geography and disturbed us.We said that that day we will crush the attacker's head on our land.We came to Anatolia 1300 years after Alexander and we got Greece completely, it was a message.and the spread of the Turkic peoples around the world dates back to 250 BC.If a western person sails to the east, is he a justice fighter but when a eastern man sails to the west, is he a barbarian?that's how your war portfolio is so limited. The Tatars are a Turkic ethnic group living mainly in Tatarstan and the wider Volga-Ural region. ... All Turkic peoples living within the Russian Empire were named Tatar (as a Russian exonym). Some of these populations still use Tatar as a ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars

[@hannibalbarca2928]

@NO NAME7 see clearly and shut up now. www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNRs9axA80MEw-W_qN09v-byVPSAsg%3A1581666208004&ei=n09GXsXxPMOnrgTIrI7oBQ&q=ETN%C4%B0C%C4%B0TY+&oq=ETN%C4%B0C%C4%B0TY+&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i13l10.15458.15458..15610...0.3..0.126.126.0j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71.CVKIE8qqc4w&ved=0ahUKEwiFvezjxdDnAhXDk4sKHUiWA10Q4dUDCAs&uact=5

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Archie Tatars are Turks according to orkhon inscriptions they have nothing to do with mongols but some tatar tribes got partly mongolized

[@ateium2409]

Why do we consider Religion as an important factor to identify people ?

[@alibak5537]

The name of "Tatar" was first used in Orkhun scripts as "Otuz Tatar Bodun"(Thirty Tatar Nation) for a tribal confederation of thirty tribes with unknown origin. In video you are saying "they were speaking a form of Mongol". What is your proof than? Many Turkologists agree that the word Tatar means "foreigner" "enemy" or somebody who is not related to Ashina clan. They can be Mongols, Tunguzs or even Turkic like Kyrgyz which were called "Kara-Tatars" by Uigurs. I believe you might be a subjective Mongolian here

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Hello! I am actually Canadian of entirely European ancestry, so I don't feel I have any particular inherent bias in regards to the identities of the tribes, and all my information I collect from as many academic sources from specialists as I can find. When I can look at my notes later I will track down more on where I read the 12th century Tatars as speaking Mongolian. I believe I got that from J.J Saunders "The History of the Mongol Conquests," and I will see if he has a citation for why he says that. The impression I have gotten from the reading I have done was that the 12th century Tatars spoke Mongolian, but I won't pretend like my word is law, and it is possible that I could have unintentionally obscured details about the Tatars.

[@alibak5537]

The Jackmeister: Mongol History You are saying that "original Tatars". Who were the original Tatars? In 12th century or in 7th century or in 15th century? These three groups are not same tribes. No ties between them. Then which one do we call "original"?

[@alibak5537]

The Jackmeister: Mongol History I am telling you. The word "Tatar" means "foreigner" in old Turkic. And sometimes it was used as a humiliation between tribes. When a tribe call the other as "Tatar" in a certain period of history it was most probably a form of discrimination. I will give you an interesting example from 15th century: Timur calls Bayezid as "Kara-Tatar" in order to tell that Ottoman dynasty has no right to rule Turks. In different times of history secondary sources such as hinese, Roman, Arabic, Persian and so on called all steppe nomads with general names like Huns, Turks, Tatars, Mongols etc. Here you are trying to explain why some sources called Mongol invasion as Tatar invasion. It is just a missattribition of secondary sources or a generalization. You cannot find "original Tatars" because there was no "original Tatars" in history. One thing we can know about Tatars that today they have been speaking Kipchak Turkic since 13th century.

[@Neverdyingpride]

in turig empire there were 33 tatar tribes 9 mongolic tribes

[@mongolchiuud8931]

The Jackmeister ignore the Pan-Turk crazies. And do a video on the KokTurk Ashina clan being originally east iranian speaking as well as the names of the early khagans.

[@martinpepperell8424]

Interesting thank you. who was the character referred to at the very end.

[@schizoidboy]

For some reason this reminds me of what I heard about the Dutch and Holland, technically Holland is not the same as the Netherlands though many outside the country might refer to it as such. Holland is actually a part of the Netherlands rather than another name for the country. I could be wrong.

[@RM668]

schizoidboy correct

[@dinmalikogli5983]

Tatars,Bashkirs,Chuvash,Noghay, Karachay,Kazakh,Kyrgyz,Karakalpak are KIPCHAK Turkic tribes Turkish,turkmen,azerbaijanis,Hazara, Bulgarian Gagauz are Oghuz Turkic tribes Uzbek,Uyghur,Salars are Karluk Turkic tribes. Sakha,Udmurt,Yakuts ,Altai are Siberian Turkic tribes.

[@ChinchillaofDoom]

i really like the drawings - makes it so homie and personal haha you draw them yourself? cuz they're awesome! ^^

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Thank you for the kind words! yes, all images and maps are done by me unless I state otherwise. It's a great way for me to acquaint myself with sources for depictions of the peoples discussed, and in a lot of cases, when drawing an individual, I'm sometimes he first person (or among a select few) to ever make any sort of visual depiction of them!

[@guntherachterhof4876]

Wow!👏 Thanks for posting this!

[@filipkoric5360]

Khan Toktamysh was the last khan who used Mongolian script- in late 1380s. Before he was killed by Edigu - You can see Edigu in Tarkovskys masterpiece "Andrey Rublev". P.S. Great channel dedicated to history of Mongols and Tatars!

[@YY-ug9mv]

1st its not mongolian script.Its adopted from uighurs..Its uighur script.2nd toktamiş had it coming when he raided Timur twice while Timur helped him against his brother Urus.Toktamiş was a betrayer who played a role on russias birth and the doom of turkic people in central western and eastern steppes/asia.To this day!

[@filipkoric5360]

@@YY-ug9mv Well- generally, I agree- but it is still known in modern historiography as Mongolian script- it was based on Uighur script bit not identical to it. Mongolian is a true alphabet, with separate letters for consonants and vowels.... en.wikipedia./wiki/Mongolian_script I do not doubt that. When it comes to Toktamish "the traitor" keep in mind one thing- Golden Horde, Nogai Horde and all other successor states to Mongol Empire- they had never ending civil war and power struggle between nobility. At one point in Crimean Khanate Ottoman Turkish Emperor had to elect new Khans since civil war was so rampant. Toktamish was Timurs general at one point and than went rouge.

[@rogueone3538]

Anatolian Turks use latin script.But nobody claim it is not Turkish.Your statements are just LAME

[@YY-ug9mv]

@@rogueone3538 Who have said Turks of Turkey doesnt use latin script?What?Did i missed a comment?

[@rogueone3538]

@@YY-ug9mv Looks like you are lost, we are talking about Mongols and not turks.

[@regular-joe]

Yours and Stefan Milo's maps are the best for understanding large population movements - thanks for your videos!

[@bilgekhan6577]

Tartar, Kazar, Uygur, Onogur, Ogur, Sabir. All is Turkish name.

[@gulsahsaglam5170]

Turkic*

[@boratokel9301]

Turkısh*

[@gurdoganozyigit4312]

tatar and mongol is brother peoples.

[@Orgil.]

@@gurdoganozyigit4312 in ancient turkic language tatar means alien so they must be the Mongols

[@johannesandersson9477]

Doesn’t Marco Polo refer to Kublai as Tatar khan? That’s very strange

[@Orgil.]

in ancient turkic language tatar means alien so they must be the Mongols

[@rahmatyavery5369]

There are some people among the Hazara people in Afghanistan who called themselves Tatars too

[@bandohoxton5870]

TATARS ARE MIXED BETWEEN SLAVICS AND MONGOLS , YOUR PEOPLE ARE TRAVELLERS WHO ARE ASSIMILATED EVERYWHERE THEY GO .

[@Nenet-rj9yr]

From gaznevidhs

[@ioanadidea1268]

Romanian health minister family name is Tatar you wil find tatars and kipchaks everywhere

[@TheDavidlloydjones]

"It is not clear how the name 'Tatar" spread west..." around 1:09 Horseback? :-)

[@Ганбаатар-э3и]

As Mongolian we call and write Tatar.

[@lepketheslime4792]

My grand parents are from Urals, im not tatar or anything but i hear that place had lots of them

[@AngryHistorian87]

Very cool. I cannot wait for the rest of your Mongol history videos. I really would like to hear you speak on Timur. Although I am curious, where did you come across this Tang-Liao classification system?

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Thank you! I am very interested to discuss Timur as well. I've seen the classification system mentioned in a few places, with the main one for what I mentioned here being Chad Garcia's article "A New Kind of Northerner: Initial Song Perceptions of the Mongols," in the Journal of Song-Yuan Studies (2012). Garcia's focus of the article is some reports written by Song envoys to the Mongols, one from 1221 and the other from 1237. His discussion of the classification system is while looking at the earlier report from 1221, known as Mengda Beilu written by Zhao Gong. In it be specifically notes the Song adoption of the system from the Liao, and they use it to group the Mongols, as I note in the video saying that Chinggis Khan was a black Tatar. Interestingly, in this earlier one they give quite a positive report of Chinggis, describing him with heroic features and as a 'noble savage'' of sorts in comparison to the decadence of the Chinese. Garcia has the system as "White Tatar/Black Tatar/ Raw Tatar," whereas elsewhere I've seen it as "wild Tatar" for the last one, dependent on the translation. Unfortunately I've never found something that describes the system exclusively, especially as to its exact origins. I can't find it at the moment, but I had read it about it appearing *sometime* in the late Tang period. Being as the Khitans/ Liao had extensive holdings in Mongolia and they spoke a similar language, it would make sense to me that they adopted the system as a means of 'legitimizing' themselves rather than creating it, although it is just my impression from what I've read. At the very least, Tatar became the 'catch all' term for the steppe tribes during the late Tang, perhaps elaborated upon during the Liao. Due to their lack of direct contact with the steppe tribes, it certainly makes sense for the Song to adopt it with relatively little questions asked.

[@AngryHistorian87]

I like that you mentioned Tartarus. However, I wish to mention that Tartarus, the ancient Greek version of Hell, NOT the entire underworld.

[@OtKerk]

Here we're talking about the term "Tatar" as it is in the Medieval historical sources and books. Not about modern-day Tatars (=Turks/Bulgars of Russia whom the Russians erroneously went on to call Tatars)! "Tatar" was how the Mongols called themselves before the adoption of the name "Mongol" (probably in honor of Muguli, the founder of Rouran Khaganate - as some Chinese source wrote that the Tatars admired some legendary Mongol warriors). The transition was not swift. In the beginning they continued to use the name Tatar, and then Tatar/Mongol interchangeably even after the annihilation of the Tatar confederation by Temujin. Or even after the Empire was called Mongol Empire ( - according to many sources of the time). Why? It needs to be explained, but the fact is in the medieval books, "Tatar" meant and means "Mongol". Not the Turkic ethnic groups of Russia, of course.

[@crowold3025]

Genghis Khan's mother's family is called Haruha tribe . The Haruha tribe was near the river on the border between Mongolia and China (Manchuria), but they lost the battle and fled to the far northwest, where Genghis Khan was born. At first, Genghis was hostile to and massacred the Tatars, but since they were strong and their language was close to Mongolian, he made them his allies. Eventually, the Uyghurs were in charge of wisdom and the Tatars in military affairs.

[@gluefood781]

Hey what game is your outro song from?

[@to07342]

Great stuff, I've noticed only academia people ask about the Tartar side and now this video can help me explain

[@vengovoy4606]

tatars are a turkic tribe, mongols are not turkic. turkic culture and language is so different than mongols.

[@Orgil.]

in ancient turkic language tatar means alien so they must be the Mongols

[@Orgil.]

culture and language is different 😆.dude there is so many word share Mongols and turks plus both are nomadic their culture is not that different.and last turks conquered by the Mongols and Many mongol tribes mixed with turkic tribes

[@D.E.Sword.]

Gengis chased Mohammad Khorazum ( son of Khorazum Shah) up to the river Kabol. Where Mohammad Khorazum Jumped in River Kabol from High Hill (an act of bravery). Gengis stoped following ( he admired bravery) & let him go. His men brought news from "India". They said Indian rivers are muddy & animals are black. Gengis didn't like that. Thus he returned without any further confrontation.

[@Yassinekamp]

I love History, there is so much we don't know :)

[@saadtazili8953]

@Khel islam is the right path .

[@brokenbridge6316]

How very interesting this video was. Nice job.

[@creatifetudes8553]

Now I'm more confused 😭

[@bogazkesenarmoury]

love your works, are these pictures, illustrations is yours?

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Thank you! Yes all these images are done by me unless I state otherwise, though I think my newer ones are considerably better than the ones seen in this old video.

[@bogazkesenarmoury]

@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory masyallah that is proof that you make your videos with all your heart, i hope your very informative content will gain more views and subscriber, keep doing what you do man, youre awesome!

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Many thanks for your kinds words my friend, I will keep them in my heart

[@Reader_curiosity]

The Tartars are a Turkish tribe mentioned by Kashgari in his book among Turkish peoples. The tribes that alone Genghis Khan were different Turks and Mongols. Mongolia wide area variety terrain The presence of people speaking different languages is normal.

[@Reader_curiosity]

Dear I will reply you in several points: - The Chinese people are Chinese speakers who have historically lived in the Central Plains and the Yangtze plains and are known to Han nationality. - The peoples that inhabit the plateau of Mongolia or the eastern steppes stretching from Erdos to the Baikal are the Mongols and Turks. - The Turks are a nation of many peoples, such as the Chinese and the Indians, not a single people, who spread from Mongolia to Central Europe, and have large numbers in the Middle East. - The current Turkey is called Anatolia or the country of the Romans moved to some Turks in the eleventh century and settled in and established several kingdoms and empire. - Unfortunately, some Chinese nationalists are fanatics and visit Turkish history. They say Atilla conquered the Roman Empire because of the Wall of China. The Seljuks invaded the Byzantine Empire because of the Wall of China. This talk is false and incorrect. Some Hun moved to Eastern Europe in the first century AD, and when Attila conquered Western Europe, the northern dynasties of Mongolia ruled northern China, the most famous of which was the northern Wei Dynasty. The Seljuks established their empire in Khurasan, where some of the Oguz tribes from Central Asia moved there. When the Seljuk Empire appeared, there was then a regional Turkish kingdom in Central Asia known as the Karakhani and an empire in southwest Asia known as the Ghaznavid Empire. North China was ruled by the Mongol kingdom, the Liao Dynasty. - I love China's civilization, arts and sciences, but nationalism hurts the reputation of the Chinese people.

[@Reader_curiosity]

‏Hahaha ‏It seems you do not know anything about Turkish history and the history of Anatolia. ‏It is not known that Turks are present in several provinces of Xinjiang, Mongolia, Central Asia, Siberia and Eastern Europe. ‏Anatolia is a Roman land whose inhabitants spoke Greek and its inhabitants were a mixture of Greece, Armenians, Syriacs and Kurds. ‏Some Turks migrated to it in the eleventh century and settled there and built kingdoms and empire. ‏If the population of Anatolia any present Turkey is a mixture of several peoples and cultures. ‏The tribes and taverns that alone Genghis Khan are multi-ethnic Mongols and Turks.

[@thugleefe]

​@@Reader_curiosity You right. Turks from Central asia and Mongolia origin ,, because east hun empire, gokturks e.t.c states established in mongolia.

[@Reader_curiosity]

Your right, Mongolia has been in the original land of the Turkish nation for thousands of years. Mongolia is a land with a long history and is the center of the Eurasian empires and northern kingdoms. I read a strange treatise of some Chinese that denies that Mongolia is the original land of the Turks. The history of the Mongolian plateau is presented as a mutual expulsion conflict between the Turkish and Mongolian peoples. This non-objective thesis may have the purpose of dividing the two peoples. Of course his speech is incorrect. Ancient Chinese documents remind ancient peoples of the Mongolian plateau and their places of residence. The Altai Mountains and the Orhon Region have a depth in Turkish heritage. In the Genghis Khan era, there were many Turkish khanate and tribes in Mongolia. The assimilation of the Mongolian people to the Turkish people in Mongolia does not eliminate the Turks' history in Mongolia. The assimilation of the Turkish people into the Anatolian people does not negate the previous history before the Seljuk era

[@annestratton5787]

Are the tartars the same group as the cossacks my ancestors apparently came from turkey but lived in russia

[@regonik]

Cossacks are a class. Like merchants or manufacturers.

[@TatarTuruk]

I'm Nogai Tatar (Turkic) and not Mongol. But i love Mongols we are Turanian Brothers.

[@TatarTuruk]

@@ercanbando9395 Turkish lang. and Tartarian are two different Turkic Languages. Read the Orkhon inscriptions before you write a brainless comment. In the Orkhon inscriptions you will find the Name "Otuz Tatar". You are not Turkish. Don't hide your real identity.

[@TatarTuruk]

@@ercanbando9395 "İlahî göğün yarattığı Türk Bilge Kağan, bu devirde tahta çıktım. Sözlerimin tamamını dinleyin, özellikle küçük erkek kardeşlerim, çocuklarım, birleşik soyum, halkım, güneyde Şadlar, kuzeyde tarkanlar, beyler, Otuz ... (G 2) Otuz Tatar halkı ... ... ... Dokuz Oğuz Beyleri ve halkı, bu sözümü iyice işitin, sıkıca dinleyin! Doğuda güneşin doğduğu yere, güneyde aydınlığın ortasına, batıda güneşin battığı yere, kuzeyde karanlığın ortasına kadar, bu sınırların içerisindeki halkın tamamı bana bağlıdır." -Kül Tigin Yazitlari

[@TatarTuruk]

@@ercanbando9395 Medeni bir insan gibi yaz lütfen. Küfür ederek sadece acizligini gösteriyorsun ve haksiz bir "davayi" savundugunu belli ediyorsun. Seni bir Proje olarak görüyorum ve muhabbetimi kesiyorum.

[@ercanbando9395]

@@TatarTuruk sizde yalan konusmayi birakin artk , tatar tatardir türk degil , bizde gurbetciyiz avrupada ama biz gidib almaniz demiyoruz , göcmeniz bunu herkez biliyor ama nedense türkiyede göcmenlerin götü kalkmis herkez ben bu yada su türküyüm diyor utanmadan , vatanimizi sizlere yidirmeyiz , tatarlar tatarstanda dönsün , suriyeli gibi geldiniz bir daha dönmediniz .

[@TatarTuruk]

@@ercanbando9395 Öncelikle "Turkic Peoples" diye bir Kavram var bu Kavramin anlami Türk Halklari/Uluslari'dir. Tatarlar,Kazaklar,Kirgizlar,Türkiye Türkleri... v.s. ayni Dili konusan, ayni Kültüre sahip olan, ayni Ata'ya sahip olan akraba uluslardir ve bu Uluslarin ortak ismi TÜRK'tür. Ikincisi ise : Türkiye Türkleri dedigimiz insanlar cogunlukla Türkmen yani Oguz Türküdür geriye kalanlar ise Tatarlar hatta Güneydogu Anadolu'da Kirgizlar yani Kipcak Türkleride "Türkiye Türkleri" grubuna dahildir. Bu gruba mesela Kürtleri,Suriyeli araplari,Zazalari dahil edemezsin cünki bu Uluslarin Dili,Kültürü,Atalari farklidir.

[@z.33.z61]

Encyclopedic Dictionary of Brockhaus and Efron, published in St. Petersburg in 1907, where it is directly written: "THERE IS NO TATAR AS A SEPARATE NATION". And then he continued that the term "Tatars" is a COLLECTIVE NAME of the name of the Turkic peoples!

[@Orgil.]

og tatars were mongolic people

[@walterbell1529]

John of plane'll kerkini an android Google Khan in the 1240's... what is wrong with this?

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

I didn't realize that there was captions on the video... At one point they describe Kittens as being the method of transmitting the name Tatar west. While humorous, it is a thesis of dubious historical accuracy.

[@MDzaki-uk2ll]

Auto generated captions can be pretty inaccurate.

[@KimseKimsesiz1948]

I’m a Tatar myself, I’m a Turk not a Mongol, I have blue eyes and red hair, we’re very similar to Turkmen/Yörük in Türkiye, who are often blond with blue eyes, cause they’ve never mixed with original darker races like Greeks and Armenians who were living in Anatolia … We are the original Turks, like the ancient Kirghiz, when they’re used to be in Siberia and Mongolia

[@goldenmemes51]

Please keep making more videos Make videos on how Genghis influenced timur And why Mongols didn't invade India? And how pope was shitting his pants that Mongols almost at his doorstep Even though empire map doesn't permit it the Hungarian empire let some Mongols pass through and invaded northern Italy look it up

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Thank you! I intend to, and these are all topics I hope to get to in the future. For the time being I intend to follow the conquests in roughly chronological order (so I will go from the campaigns against the Jin, then to Khwarezmian Empire, then Jebe and Subutai in southern Russia for example) but I do fully intend to discuss all sorts of aspects. The influence of Chinggis on later conquerors, especially Timur, is a topic I am personally very interested to research, but it will come in due time!

[@mohammadsabah8619]

Golden Memes Mongol couldnot invade india cuz india was ruled by powerful muslim sultan which has united numerous indian states into a single empire.sultan executed every mongols who came in his empire.

[@goldenmemes51]

nunya efin biz moguls weren't Mongols they were bastards who claimed Mongol descent they were indianizdd heavily there style of fighting later was totally Indian

[@limcharles9730]

mongols after genghis khan was split into a few khanates, yuan dynasty or rather known as the great khanate from china was pushed back by delhi sultan however the mughals which were from the chagatai khanate managed to subjugate most of india.. the chagatai made up of turkic/persian blood mixed with mongols as a result of marriage, rape and migration... same with the mughal a mix of chagatai and indian mainly from rajput

[@mohammadsabah8619]

Lima Charlie 3 khanate out of 4 accepted islam.yuan dynasty of china didnt accept islam but the other 3 accepted it.

[@spiritfree5050]

Yeah they werent called Russian back then and also they werent called Turkish back then Turkish comes from Atta-Turk which is like 1930's

[@jubanumidia8460]

Tatars are Turkic Altaic people

[@harrymcnicholas9468]

Depends upon the Tatar. Tatar is used for many different tribes/

[@jubanumidia8460]

Harry McNicholas yes but in our days they speak Turkic languages, not the same languages but belong to the Turkic

[@harrymcnicholas9468]

I do not understand your comment. The original Turkic people were Caucasians. They invaded Mongolia in a about 200 BCE. Mongolians had established their first empire in Mongolia in 800 BCE. The Turkic people though were able to drive the Mongols to various parts of Mongolia. The first empire or the Turkic people were the Gokturks. There were a number of Turkic empires in Mongolia until the Mongols became strong enough to drive them out of Mongolia. The tatar tribe mentioned in Mongolia were Mongolians and not Turkic. They were the ones who poisoned Chinggis Khaan's father. Today in the Republic almost everyone is Khalkha Mongol . I am not sure about the Mongols in the Inner Mongolia province of China. Lots of genetic testing on the Mongols. The best work done by the Russians.

[@jubanumidia8460]

Harry McNicholas all sources that I met said that Turkic people are from Mongolia, I will do another research

[@harrymcnicholas9468]

No they are caucasians They migrated to Mongolia from Central Asia.

[@feminism8583]

Tatars are Turkic, descent of Kipchak and Bulgarian Turks who lived in Europe before Mongol. Most of the population of the Kipchak Khanate（Also known as the Golden Horde） is the Kipchak and Bulgars turkic.The Mongols occupied the Kipchak Steppe, but the Mongols were assimilated by the Kipchak Turks.

[@wolfgangmcghee1258]

Really interesting video, huge fan of Mongol history!

[@ajvaani593]

Yeah it is. im Mongolian I dnt even know my history lol its very fascinating shout out to mongolia 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘 hello from New York city

[@wolfgangmcghee1258]

I am, "kilic" XD

[@wolfgangmcghee1258]

You're fucking stupid.

[@matthewsmith1779]

@nunya efin biz *you're*

[@scourgeofgodattila579]

@@ajvaani593 Göktürks you crushed 😂😂

[@rabbitskinner]

Hi what was Atilla? What even was a Hun? Thanks anyone..

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

It's a bit of a complicated answer as to what the Huns were, and the popular explanation changes every few years. For a long time it was very popular to connect the Huns to the Xiongnu, a people who had ruled perhaps the earliest nomadic empire in modern Mongolia. The Xiongnu Empire broke apart in the 2nd century CE, and the theory goes that some of them moved west, over two centuries building a confederation of tribes (mainly Iranian, Slavic, Germanic, perhaps Turkic) ruled by a core with Xiongnu ancestry which arrived in eastern Europe in the 4th century CE. Xiongnu in Mongolian is pronounced like 'hun-nu,' which has encouraged the connection. If true, due to intermarriage and the passage of time Attila would be only partially Xiongnu, though the sole surviving description of him suggests inner Asian features. But there has been some pushback to that theory in the last decades. One such argument is: if the Huns were originally the Xiongnu, how did it take them two centuries to make it to Europe? Part of the problem is that so little of the Huns survives linguistically or archaeologically (or that is at least clearly identifiable to them and not people they ruled over) which make sit very difficult to connect them to other peoples. The little bit of the Hunnic language which survives, mainly names, suggests some relation to Turkic languages: Attila's son Dengizich's name bears resemblance to the Turkic word Tengis, meaning ocean, or even Chinggis. Attila has had a couple suggested translations, though we must ask if the Roman chroniclers even got the name right in the first place. Either way: The 'Huns,' as an empire refers to a large group of Iranian, Germanic, Slavic and almost certainly Turkic peoples ruled by a tribe originally of Central Asian (perhaps even from Mongolia) origin.The phenomenon of nomadic peoples adopting the name, dress, hairstyles and customs of the newly dominant tribal power is attested even in the days of the Mongol Empire, but makes identification very difficult for later historians. I think to be able to say, specifically, Attila's ancestry, is very difficult, and even possible, to ever know for certain. Even if his ancestors were the Xiongnu, he was several generations removed from them.

[@rabbitskinner]

@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory thanks so much for your detailed reply. My family come from Parma Italy, I haven't had an ancestry DNA test done yet But many of my relatives look very Asiatic high cheek bones and slightly slanted eyes. I read Atilla and his horde invaded Italy. Another thing I know lots of Romany Gypsy families in the UK and some not all also look very Mongolian, again high cheek bones, slanted eyes, swarthy skin, black eye colour and squat stature.. Anthropology and history are such fascinating subjects Thanks again

[@НурсултанАскаров-й7о]

can you make video about origins of Kazakhs, because many tribes of the Mongol army ,our time is part of kazakhs! it will be very interesting for me , and for the Kazakh people

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

I definitely would like to do so! In time, I hope to have covered all areas that were impacted by the Mongols and how the world changed after their empire. Videos like this one I found very interesting to make, (and relatively quick!) so I hope to do more like it throughout my series- I will certainly try to make one on the Kazakhs!

[@НурсултанАскаров-й7о]

The Jackmeister: Mongol History it will be great ! thanks! how I can communicate with you ? if it's possible .

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

I run a Facebook page for this channel under the same name, which I think you can message directly? I am most likely to see those messages soonest. I hope to get back into making videos by late March, as I am currently finishing some large research projects before then that are taking up my time. After that first video I will begin doing some research on the Kazakh origins!

[@aldos2795]

I think Kazakhs are Turkified Mongols.By DNA you are Mongols but by culture and language Kazakhs are more close to Turkic groups.

[@user-es5jo8kp2g]

+Al Dos Kazakh culture very similar on Mongolian

[@jivanselbi3520]

some misunderstanding because of translation, '' white and black '' term was used to indicate the ruling elite and the commoners, Tatar / Tartar means 'arrow shooter', and since the dated Turkic history they have been speakers of Northern Turkic 'KIPCHAK' language, we're from the most southern 'Oguz' speakers, yet we easily can communicate

[@jivanselbi3520]

@ercan kilic instead u could've checked 4 the meaning. ..Türk isen anlamına eski Türkçe sözlükten bakabilirsin. .başka bir etnik topluluktan isen öğrenmek istemiyorsan "bulshit" demene gerek yok. ..ilgilenme

[@manullim]

Easy to remember distinctions between mongols and tartars: Mongol.... is the name of beef dish (mongolian beef). Tartar..... is the name of sauce that goes with deep fried fish.

[@AmmarTaicho]

And Turkey... is the huge chicken that we eating in Thanksgiving.

[@simonh6371]

So what about Steak Tartare?

[@AmadoDom]

tatars and tartars is the same?

[@ercanbando9395]

it is the same

[@multitalentedman1284]

Why its so hard to say that we Tatars are just Turks ??? We are Turks simple as that !..We are not mongols and we have nothing to do with other beings but Turkish...But Mongolian army was full of Tatars and other Turkic Tribes because of the fact that in Middle Asia population of Turks were far more numerous then Mongols ...I dont know why none asks Tatars for who they are ? And why people just tries to say something about us thats so funny...Especially russians and some europeans allways tries to to say that Turks and Tatars are or other Turkic tribes are different somehow...We all are the Same...We all come from same Father :))) so let me clear mongol situation....At those times in middle asia which we call Turkistan,all Turkic Tribes and Mongol tribes were living close and naturally they shared many common culture as well...When some strong leader shows up first thing he must do is to unite all tribes no matter if they are Turkish or Mongolian in aim of gathering man power enough to conquer the rest...As mongols and Turks were very close in terms of Culture and lifestyle at that times it wasnt so hard to gather them under same Flag...From time to time this leader came from Turks and Mongols...Genghis Khan was first mongolian leader who united those tribes i have mentioned above...Naturally under the Genghis khan's flag there were many Turkic tribes such as Khazhaks,Kıpchaks,Turkmens,Oghuzs,Tatars etc...And army of genghis were approximately %60-75 Turkic...But at that time this wasnt a problem as Turks and Mongols were very close to each other.They never care about nationality of their leaders as there wasnt NATIONALSM yet xD ...And of course they had marriages as well... But i really laugh at the great effort that some russian and european historians spend to imply that Tatars,Kipchaks,Khazhaks and other Turkic tribes are not same they are not Turk or anatolian Turks are Persian or arabs etc ...Those are just funny efforts...I am TATARIAN TURK!...We Tatars know that WE ARE TURKISH !!!

[@rogueone3538]

Another delusional hallucination at finest.In Napoleon Army almost all European ethnic group were in. So what.? Nobody even think or claim that it was a Polish-Italian-German,Austrian etc,etc.Nobody count how many % of Poles or Germans or Italians were there. IT WAS JUST A FRENCH ARMY OF NAPOLEON.Or In Roman Empire time hundreds different ethnic groups were in their Army BUT IT IS ROMAN ARMY. NOT UNITED or Allied army as some try to corrupt history facts. Every little puppy daydream to have a lion daddy. ELVIS is one and only but there are millions and millions of lame impersonators.XD

[@multitalentedman1284]

@@rogueone3538 fool that is what you are... We Tatars are not Mongol... We are Turk... Which is The greatest title one can hold. U are fully unaware of nationalist facts during napeleon era and differances between Genghis era... Fool thats what u are...i Said Tatars in Mongol army were not mongolic origin Cuz it leads somefools to misunderstanding... Vah nevermind

[@rogueone3538]

@@multitalentedman1284 Son,it is good that you are Turks. I am glad that you are Turks and not Mongols. And the only real tatars that existed in ancient Mongolia was eradicated by Genghis Khan himself.Once and forever.The left over was evenly distributed among other Mongol tribes. The case was closed.And all other so called tatars have no connection at all with the real tatars. Volga tatars are in fact just volga Bulgars. even they DNA is identical to chuvash ,even Russians. In short, there is only and one Elvis Presley and all others are just IMPERSONATORS. There are millions of them. Have a good day..

[@roseanneisthenamelovingfoo9107]

Atilla Guney Stop denouncing your own heritage. It’s racist in on itself. If Tatars really do not have any Asian genes, why do I look Asian? Why does my grandma’s Tatar family look Asian? Because Tatars are Turkic people who are also Asian. With some it’s not that clear, but with others it shows.

[@liars6495]

there is no difference between tatars and Mongols in Racial aspect , Tatars have assimilated into Middle Eastern "Ottoman" Muslim Culture , this is what they call "turkic" , Tatar homeland is Mongol steppe they spoke mongolian and had shamanistic culture , we have tatar immigrants in Turkey they are lying about their existence , if you ask them they tell you that they are turk but this is stupid because they are not from Turkey .

[@liars6495]

@Erqĭn Məmbetjanuli 🇰🇿 Q̆iyat no dumbass , tatars adapted the language of Ottomans , they didnt speak "turkic" turkish is a mix of arabic and persian words it has to do with the expansion of Islam and is not a asia steppe mongol language , you morons should stop faking your origins , you are originally a mongol people and mongols have nothing to do with islam , Turkishness = Islam its not a mixed central asian race . Turks from Turkey are from Turkey you fucking foreigner from kazakhstan , you are misleading anatolian muslims with central asian muslims who were assimilated by us not the otherway around , stop playing idiot , kazakhs are mongols , your culture is not a race . Why are you freaks trying so hard to be called turk when your identity is kazakh , hispanic is also a reference to spanish culture its not a race . bolivian indians are hispanic too but they are not originally from spain , we turkish people are Anatolians not kazakhs we have nothing to do with you .

[@Batyrai]

I am Tatar Motherside 100% Turkic

[@harrymcnicholas9468]

Tatars are Turkic.

[@sukhbatbatzul2945]

leaders Mongols lol

[@oghuzkhan9235]

Sukhbat Batzul In Xiongnu was the Turks the Leaders and not the Mongols

[@tsasa192]

@@oghuzkhan9235 fuck off you fuking hairy cockroach! Disgusting

[@youtubecensorship909]

TURKIC IS ABOUT CULTURE THE OTTOMAN CULTURE TATARS ARE NOT TURKISH ,TURKICS ARE CENTRAL ASIAN AND TURKISH PEOPLE ARE FROM TURKEY WE ARE ALL NATIVES , THE ZIONIST BRITISH BROUGHT YOU TATARS INTO OUR NEW COUNTRY AFTER WORLD WAR 1 , YOU NEVER HAD ROOTS IN TURKEY , THE REASON YOU ARE FOCUSED ON THE WORD TURK IS BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN TURKEY TODAY AND YOU WONT BE A OUTSIDER .