TBC Tank Breakdown / Overview

[@Kermeous]

This was great! Needs more videos, I love the side-by-side comparison of mitigations/armor etc.

[@OffRezWolf]

Excellent video, and greatly informative. Thank you especially on breaking down defense/resilience in a simple easy to understand format. Count me as a new subscriber!

[@athieshgaming2659]

Glad it was helpful!

[@vannomanno1]

This was extremely well done! Please make more videos!

[@MrPerlew]

Thank you knidly! Just dusted off the old fury warrior from classic after leveling the new shaman main. Planing to make the warrior a tank now that it's 70. I learned a whole lot and the crushcap was revolutionary info for me. I would love some insight to tank gear spesifically and when a warrior can stop wearing their T3 gear. Again, great video and really excited for more videos to come.

[@haldir108]

The set bonuses aren't all that. Revenge had it's threat-multiplier nerfed from 2.25x to 1.0x (but the flat threat was greatly increased), so the value of the two-piece is nowhere near as good as it was. The 8pc bonus was never good, and while the hit bonuses are nice, they are not something to pull your hair out over losing. Otherwise, just pick up pieces with high def and stam. You generally replace stuff fairly quickly in lvl 70 dungeons, and heroics, or kara. The last pieces i kept were the chest, boots and ring. Get crit immune and a solid ammount of stamina, and see if you can't sneak in some pieces with hit/expertise/agility without sacrificing too much survivability.

[@athieshgaming2659]

Sorry for the late reply. Check out Costin Gaming's Channel. He has great videos on tank itemization.

[@katsmi0]

Is there a website or spreadsheet that ranks items for tanks similar to EPV but taking into account both mitigation and threat generation or having each value seperately?

[@ericfenstermacher5925]

Critique: Druids can powershift consumes just as well as a warrior or paladin can. Powershift is effectively instant assuming you're not on the GCD from a previous ability. If you're not on Fight Club or the Druid Classic discord, I recommend them both for more detail as far as the capabilities.

[@athieshgaming2659]

Thanks for the response. I do try and do my research but it seems I am looking in the wrong places. Appreciate the direction!

[@fujatv503]

@@athieshgaming2659 no problem. the macro should look something like this #showtooltip Dire Bear Form /cancelform /use Super Healing Potion /cast !Dire Bear Form this is also applicable to healthstones and for example cat form and mana potions!

[@jakestaberry1]

You can power shift to use potions, but you want to pay attention to the boss's swing timer and cds. My guild's bear has gotten gibbed because of bad timing and got an unlucky hit or stun or whatever in the split second you're in humanoid form. But this probably will be less of an issue with the removal of spell batching.

[@athieshgaming2659]

@@jakestaberry1 I think the consensus is that will be a relic of batching

[@jaysouth305]

imagine dropping all your armor for a split second to pop a potion, not a smart thing to do buddy.

[@jonathanhughes8679]

Druids have dodge but it doesn’t work with Defense rating?? If so never noticed.. Dodge/endurance trinkets are nice for Druids as well. Because you can use it and up dodge to help.

[@athieshgaming2659]

Druids get the most dodge per point of agility. Every 14.7 Agility = 1% dodge for druids. Warriors get 1% dodge for every 30 points of Agility whereas Paladins get 1% for every 25 points

[@mil2k11]

Nicely done!

[@jonathanhughes8679]

Paladins usually come out better shielding a healer so that can just pour heals on. Bark skin should be used in combat if you know the boss well enough because thorns can help you hold that agro so it’s fine when needed. Your group should let you stabilize threat early

[@Ragatokk]

Damn, actually a pretty good video on tanks for tbc. That said, druids gain the most from health stones and potions, as they get scaled up as they transform out of bear keeping their hp%, use the potion and go bear again keeping their new hp% (To use simple numbers: if you got 4k in normal form, and 6k in bear and the potion heals 1k... You are at 50% hp in bear 3k, transfer out of bear and are now at 50% in normal form 2k. You use health potion and are not at 75% in normal form 3k, then transform to bear becoming 75% in bear form 4.5k) In this example you pretty much have a 50% stronger health potion.

[@TheCrimsonChin91]

the only problem with this is getting smacked while shifting out of bear

[@asldfjkalsdfjasdf]

@@TheCrimsonChin91 you can get around this with a macro because pots do not cause a global cooldown

[@asldfjkalsdfjasdf]

@O K You just need to time it right. A swing timer helps on bosses and when doing trash you can get one in while kiting. Most of the time it will be fine anyway.

[@mattkreais8240]

Well done man

[@grizl123]

Druids have total of 45% increased stamina from bear form due to heart of the wild talent. And 3%stam from survival of the fittest in all forms.

[@darsin2959]

Well done

[@jonathanhughes8679]

No IMO warrior stays the best tank, but he’s also the hardest tank to play and be really good at him. Simply because they mitigate the most damage and have the best defensive abilities to pop. Also they have the hardest time holding multiple mobs and some people never get past being able to hold 2 mobs and really good warriors can hold 4. But overall they are the best IMO. Paladins have the easiest time with multiple mobs but at the same time they usually have the lowest hp. So it’s a trade out.

[@Anonymous-sq6eo]

I’m a druid tank at the moment. While I really like the flexibility of the druid, I kind of want to play some warrior tank as well. However, I feel like starting to play a Warrior now would leave me behind in terms of content and progression since P2 came out.

[@undertyped1]

Druid + pally together in a raid setting feels the best. Warrior... idk, reroll?

[@athieshgaming2659]

Sort of. Druid works best with a warrior in the raid somewhere. Demo Shout and Thunderclap are great additional mitigation for a druid. Granted it doesn't have to be a prot warrior

[@undertyped1]

@@athieshgaming2659 druids can spec for full demo roar. I am specd for it 5/5, and all i lost was some bonus healing and 20% more healing in cat.

[@jaysouth305]

More like Warrior + Druid are the best in a raid , Pallies...idk, buff?

[@undertyped1]

@@jaysouth305 Pallys got the aoe tanking, druids got the single, warriors got nothing.

[@jaysouth305]

@@undertyped1 Have fun having a druid MT as your progression tank, see how consistent that goes for you. Warriors are the kings of single target threat , defensive cooldowns and survivability. Druids and pallies can't compare on those fundamentals.

[@clefairy6098]

Nice video, voice needs more voice volume relative to the background music. It was difficult to hear you for most of the video.

[@athieshgaming2659]

Thank you. I thought I had gotten the mixing right but I am still fine tuning it.

[@bjarkerugsted7539]

the music is a little too loud compared to your voice

[@Kevin-cu4dj]

Are you sure about Warriors only having Thunderclap and Cleave for aoe threat gen? I'm pretty sure that Battle Shout works for that purpose. You need to make this video something more than just reading off tooltips :(

[@athieshgaming2659]

Battle Shout was nerfed in 2.0.1 and no longer provides a meaningful amount of threat.

[@Moe-oh4zo]

As far as i know u need to get 491 defense rating as a warrior to get critimmun, as well as u need 504 def rating as druid tank (with 3%) talent or about 103 resilence. Those numbers u got there in defenserating for feral is hell of false. Would be a shame if someone would stick to those 415 def rating

[@athieshgaming2659]

I only mention the defense skill though I might have mispoken. I think you are referring to defense rating in which case yes. You would be way under if you only have 415 rating.

[@noway1]

In this day and age, reading off tooltips is completely misleading. If you don't have sim data, you are just another kid reading stuff on the internet. Pallies OOM, Druids are manasponges to keep healed and warriors are bad at big aoe pulls (which don't occur in raids without multiple tanks present and CC). I am sure that plenty of guilds will take all three, but that doesn't change the fact that there are consequences and significant opportunity costs when using classes other than warriors are tanks.

[@ericfenstermacher5925]

The way it's looking now, in about T5, warriors will be threatcapped unless fury/de tanking is viable again (it won't be except maybe for speed clear farm content with healers who outgear the content). Guardian Druids will be the new kings on the block of mitigation and threat. The issue is that if you do have a prot warrior he has to be MT because prot war as OT is a wet fucking noodle damage wise and a Guardian druid can still do decent dps as OT. But a time will come when prot warrior threat isn't enough to hold off the updated dps that people can do with more information and you'll see groups either waiting for sunders/giving their tank some time, or switching to druid.

[@jonas5689]

@@ericfenstermacher5925 or you just have your hunters chain misdirect

[@guisechad7128]

@@jonas5689 Except Misdirection only serves as easy snap threat, not something that will keep you going through out the fight.

[@ericfenstermacher5925]

@@jonas5689 I mean. no? That would work for snap threat issues, but not for sustained single target threat issues.

[@bradleycooper5436]

@@ericfenstermacher5925 go back to retail

[@DoMw4r]

Defcap in classic omegalul

[@Ascalonir]

This video is full of misinfo i cant even...