TCL C835 Review - Cheaper Mini LED TV That Beats Samsung & Sony in This Important Area!

We review the TCL C835 Mini LED TV whose VA LCD panel beats Samsung & Sony in native contrast ratio. Get Surfshark VPN at surfshark.deal... - Enter promo code HDTVTest to get 82% and 3 extra months FREE!
Our C83 review sample is the 65-inch TCL 65C835K which is the 3-pin-plug UK model, featuring the same specifications as European versions, i.e. MiniLED backlighting, 288-zone full-array local dimming (FALD), quantum dot enhancement film, Dolby Vision IQ & HDR10+two support, two full-bandwidth HDMI 2.1 ports, as well as Google TV (Android 11) interface.
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[@kovalveli]

Talk about an in-depth review, good stuff Vincent.

[@MichaelBeeny]

I think it's appalling that I keep hearing "after calibration" When you purchase a new TV, I don't expect to have to pay someone (if you can FIND someone) to correctly calibrate your TV. It should be correct out of the box. I appreciate some people like big red skin tone and sky so blue it hurts your eyes, but each TV should come with a defeat button that presents the picture "calibrated"

[@CaniceMcGrath]

Note your calibrating to your rooms lighting that affects what you...Note Dolby Vision IQ automatically adjust for this.

[@TheUAProdigy]

Also not that they released an app that calibrates the tv for you. It does a decent job at it too.

[@getsideways7257]

@@TheUAProdigy And how it's supposed to calibrate anything? Without the specialized hardware you might as well "calibrate" your TV by the eye.

[@getsideways7257]

What is even more appalling is the fact that even the "factory calibrated" monitors have BS colors and white balance quite often...

[@funguy8444]

Tell me you are TV casual without telling you are a TV casual. A PROPER calibration requires the TV to be calibrated to YOUR TV space, so that is the lighting from the ceiling lights, any sunlight and the various shadows around your space. A TV cannot be properly calibrated out of the box, there's the generic picture settings where manufacturers attempt to but for it to be done properly and right, you need a technician to come to your house. Know what you're saying before making such an arrogant comment

[@mattsanchez4893]

My plasma tv does an incredible job with black levels and contrast, I hope it never dies

[@darreng1918]

“Filling in every inch of space possible, which is just the sort of thing I would do” lol. I love this guy.

[@blankarung]

Damn. Just found this channel today while searching for TCL tv review. Just 5 minutes of your video, reaffirm my decision to buy this TV although I don’t understand fully what youre talking about but it sounds like this TV is the bomb

[@aquaneon8012]

According to miniled research articles, if you have a super high native contrast, you can have the same perceivable contrast with much less dimming zones compared to another tv with low native contrast but very high amount of dimming zones. Hence why this TCL may seemingly have a better local dimming algorithm compared to the other Samsung and Sony tvs owing to the high native contrast- and remember, this TCL miniled is only entry level with around 300 local dimming zones. The flagship C93 has over 1000 local dimming zones on a 65 inch.

[@inceptionsd]

True, but the contrast itself doesn't matter as much as black levels. Usually these two go hand in hand, but nowadays you can get an IPS QD panel with quite poor black levels but with relatively high contrast ratio because of the powerful peak brightness and FALD system. VA panels have natural ability to block much more light as opposed to other LCD panel types, which results in less blooming.

[@FirstLast-wx1yj]

Hello Vincent, I am looking forward to see the TCL C93 (also known as C935) Mini LED TV review and comparisons with the TCL C83, sony and samsung similar TVs. Thaks for your good reviews and thanks for Surfshark for thier support .

[@lfesky]

Even if it doesn't surpass your current TV or your next choice of purchase, it is pushing lower end picture quality forward for everyone. Design of the TV is very finished and clean looking, and the sound will definately be worthy of choosing it over another comparable product. VA is still excellent and there is specific usage case of LED technology such as retro gaming. Hopefully they iron out those chipset issue in FW update pushing it as far as it will go.

[@ismaeljrp1]

Yeah, this isn't really "lower end". This is firmly above mid tier into high end. Just probably not creme de la creme. I'd say lower end is a cheap Insignia, Sceptre, Westinghouse....

[@lfesky]

Don't count entry level worthy of discussion unless they're admirably good. TV $500 $1000 cheaper than something released two years ago, guess I should have specified enthusiast

[@90lancaster]

As someone who plays a lot of old games I wish it was easier to get a straight answer about new TV's function with older inputs and devices. I don't really see people trying something line an Nintendo console on it for example - which would be a good baseline for a lot of potential problems. If I am playing a lot of old stuff if new TV's don't play nice with it it is something I really do need to know - but to often there is this assumption that "gamers" just play Call of Duty "current year" and that is it - which isn't very helpful when you are playing things from the 1980's and 1990's very often like I do. let alone modern indy titles that behave in a lot of similar ways to Classic and vintage gaming too.

[@lfesky]

Tried to use an XBOX 360 and also XBOX / PS3 on the LG CX and the result was less than desirable, however on the 3440x1440 MX34VQ it looked amazing especially with sharpness and edge enhancement cranked. Considering the PPI and sub 1080p scaling this is still a valid comparison nor would I commonly suggest ULTRAWIDE unless it was desirable, but it both featured a VA panel and worked excellent on older stuff just for reference. Guess to truly use the LG CX or onward for comparative console and have it properly enhance your experience it is going to require a FRAMEMIESTER or similar upscaler on the front end thus utilize Super Resolution and other various AI GEN 3 processing capability to it's fullest potential. See, never hear mentioned require PC Mode for lowest response time in any situation due to disabled feature speed optimization. Would put the MX34VQ a solid notch above the ALIENWARE QD-OLED ULTRAWIDE for this reason, which has very little customization available. Difference is quite staggering and could make or break experience. Even decade old television produce consistent result

[@90lancaster]

@@lfesky Yes I have heard some strange reports about OLED's and older Machines - maybe I need to pester Digital Foundary about this issue - I think Black Frames helps with the smearing issues a bit. But I recall some early LCD's didn't play nicely with older machines either. such as resulting in a very dark image for example. I know some people have said they got good results using upscaling in TV mode rather than game mode on some sets.

[@jeremylyne6768]

I just bought the 55 inch c835 for my bedroom for $1150 on sale. Really looking forward to receiving it! Looks like a great value TV.

[@psyanide1996]

Amazingly and uncommonly in depth review. Wonderful, thank you and please keep it up!

[@wafflefreetech7062]

Hi Vincent, thankyou for your honest and fair review of the tcl C83. The poor QC control is a let down in regards to the dse. It stands to reason that we will see similar results on the C935. Can you share any updates on an upcoming C935 review ? E.g. are you doing a review of the c935 and if you are when are we likely to see it ?

[@SpencersStuffTV]

Good to see these brands giving great options in the lower market!

[@Psilobite]

But only in the Eastern Hemisphere?

[@martinweston7144]

@@Psilobite JB HiFi has these for sale in Australia, 75" is AUS $3195, 65" is AUS $2395, 55" AUS $1595

[@Masked_Official]

@@martinweston7144 $1295 now for the 55''

[@majorkursk780]

I looked up the specs on this C835 and they are really quite impressive. Hopefully in the world of actual use this will be a incredible tv that can rival or surpass Sony and Samsung for value and features.

[@majorkursk780]

@@BigDaddy-666 No mention of a release date on this model...you have anything to share regarding this?

[@vinayakgupta6105]

Was waiting for this review for a very long time!!! Thank you!!

[@C0BEX]

Seeing what they can do for this price, I wish they would start making PC monitors. Something with this performance and price would sell like hot cakes.

[@Noticerofthings]

Different technology

[@007GoldenLion]

Unfortunately most PC gamers are cavemen stuck in 2015 who for some reason still think IPS panels are the best(And ruining HDR gaming on PC for the rest of us)

[@ForceInEvHorizon]

@@007GoldenLion ips can still be good... If company put 500-700 local dimming zones and not fkn 90(im looking at you sony)

[@007GoldenLion]

@@ForceInEvHorizon By it's own nature VA panels take more advantage of local diming than IPS. Also Sony has less diming zones of the big 4 but compensates it with the best local diming algorith.

[@ForceInEvHorizon]

@@007GoldenLion rtings tested the Sony monitor with 90 local dimming zones... It isnt that good and all zones are always active most of the time

[@daeux]

thanks Vincent, please review the TCL C93 next :)

[@bobmorane7329]

or 65x925 pro last year

[@suedepup]

Thanks for covering this TV. I've been dying to ditch my deceptively advertised X900H for almost 2 years now, but (thanks solely to Sony) I now have trust issues spending a ton of money on a TV. This is one of the TVs on my mini-LED short list, along with the upcoming Hisense U8H and the new LG mini-LED offerings for 2022. As an OLED-avoiding dark room gamer who is sensitive to blooming, it's been an uphill battle. This gives me hope. Cheers!

[@ValdeSanus]

Go find a 2016 Z9D!

[@dallasgrant]

I stuck with mine, until about 2 weeks ago when the mainboard shat itself, luckily(maybe), I had insurance on it, store was going to fix it until they found out the mainboard is $480ish USD, I'm in AU so that's near $900+labour, not worth it so I got $1090 store credit, no expiry so I'm reviewing as many options as I can, I was looking at the X90K, but since I've seen this TCL for only a few 100 dollars more I am intrigued to move away from sony. I game on my PS5 so this may be the option for me, add I use my old PC too, I think I'm sold so far, waiting for boxing day sales probably.

[@lilnash7]

@@dallasgrant man you give me hope lmao my TCL packed up and Costco sending someone to fix I'm.hoping it's unfixable so I can get my cash I paid for and go buy a new TV but knowing my luck 😂😂😂

[@dallasgrant]

@@lilnash7 Unless it's an easy fix I don't think they like to repair TV's, anything really, it's probably cheaper to pay out or store credit etc. Good luck.

[@shinigamiabarairenji]

Hopefully you can review a C93 soon. It would be nice to see how much better it is than the C83.

[@sirqdoled1203]

After back and forward dialogue with your colleague E.Beeckmans we came to the same conclusion and for 899 euro for the 55 inch (special launch price) it was a real bargain. Two happy customers are already enjoying the amazing PQ and deep blacks for a more than affordable price. 😉

[@Serandi1987]

Just get the Xiaomi P1 for 400€!!! It's amazing!!!

[@marcuscole8796]

@@Serandi1987 Stop feeding the CCP ... both are Chinese brands

[@djsnowpdx]

Mini LED impressed me greatly in the iPad Pro and MacBook Pro, both of which I bought for other reasons. I can see it competing with OLED, definitely. Plus, no pulse-width modulation! No flicker!

[@rollinburket]

i’ve had the opposite experience. i find the blooming on my ipad pro so annoying that i can’t see myself even considering a tv that uses mini LED

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

I hate blooming. OLED > Mini LED LCD.

[@maaingan]

@@rollinburket defective unit. Your iPad Pro is supposed to have nearly absolute zero measurable blooming. You can measure the amount of blooming on each unit, stock iPads should have nowhere remotely near enough blooming to even be perceptible to the human eye

[@nascimentoarantes1229]

These tcl are not cheap... Check and you'll see they are in the same price range as LG b1 oleds... Oled picture is soooo much better and natural than any LCD

[@dariomladenovski7047]

I hate burn in, MINI LED > overhyped OLED that can't even do true HDR because the screen is too dim

[@PioDavideGiorgio]

i want a review of c935.. ..when? i want to buy it but there isn t any review online for this super mini led tv...why? its hw is superb in 65\75 inch ...i want to see a comparison with LG g2 , sony a95k and samsung s95b..

[@TheRealLegendoz]

Thank you for this very detailed and very helpful review, waiting for your review of the TCL c935 please, thank you.

[@irreplaceableboyyy]

Hello Vincent ? Thank you for the video 🙂 I wish you will do another video "best settings for PS5 on this TV" and HDR calibration with tone mapping ON as you recommend it for gaming...

[@justinm2521]

I've had this tv for a year now, damn it goes alright for a mini led TV. I bought the 75 inch in aus for 2.5kaud. A bit steep but it's a solid tv. I still have my samsung ru8000 82 inch, the parents have that now... will get an oled 75 inch next time round just waiting for tech to develop so TV's like the s95 become affordable. If your looking for a decent mid range reliable tv then tcl has you covered with the c835..

[@TheRealLegendoz]

TCL c935 review pleeeease, right now there is a very good deal here in a local store and I can't wait for your excellent detail review to come out for the c935, great specs for the price, and thank you for this very informative video.

[@Gkhn32]

Will they finally be able to release a decent TV in Europe without botching the panel-OS-chipset or all of them ? Sony and Samsung are really sky-rocketing their prices. A good price-performance TV is what I need badly.

[@dariomladenovski7047]

Yeah the 55inch QN90B is selling for 1600 euro where I live, complete insanity

[@AgimBMusicChannel]

@@dariomladenovski7047 the 65 inch now is 1600 euro in Germany

[@Ahmed-dx2cb]

Thank you very much for this detailed review. This is how a TV review should be done.

[@WhatTheHex]

Vincent.. you should include so called "flicker free" test for gaming mode.. personally my eyes burn if TV uses 120hz backlight flickering in game mode (like samsung) as it causes horrible double image in 60fps/hz games.. at least to my eyes C935 was flicker free... I imagine C835 should be too?

[@hottysquirrel]

Rtings does a good job at doing "Flicker Free" analysis and they tell the range of what you should set your TV's backlight or brightness so you can benefit from it. I used to have a Vizio M series 2016 or 17 and it would KILL my eyes when I watched anything with HDR. I did get a TCL R635 and it's almost flicker free, I am able to watch HDR content all day without issues, even in the dark.

[@stevenvanroosmalen]

Can you tell me more about this problem?

[@WhatTheHex]

@@stevenvanroosmalen For an example oled tv's emit light whole time (and some lcd tv's also) and so movement in screen looks solid but (bit) blurry.. some lcd tv's pulse backlight 120hz to improve clarity but that creates IMO worse image as it creates 2 light pulse per 1 frame in 60fps game. That shows as double image or ghost image in our perception of movement we see. rtings reviews show this in one of their tests. Some hate blurry movement, some hate pulsed double image..

[@stevenvanroosmalen]

@@WhatTheHex thank you so much for this response. Do you have the link to the ratings test. The reason I ask you this, is because I experienced some difficulty buying a new tv for myself in the last two years. I experience some sort of ghosting or trouble with movement and I am very sensitive towards this. I have written a reply on another vid about this, which I will copy down here (edited to a smaller portion). I’m wondering, might this be my problem as well? My other post: In the last two years I have bought and returned three brand new TV’s. Two Samsung QLED’s and one LG OLED. While the latter one wasn’t a fit in my bright living room, I’ve found that all three televisions didn’t handle motion the way my current television does. Now I am in distress, since I don’t think any modern 4K 120Hz HDR television will flow as natural on my television as I am used to. My current television is a Sony KD - 49XD7004. The TV is far from perfect. Although it supports 4K, it doesn’t support 60fps, nor does it have a great HDR setting. On my PS5, I’ve turned off the HDR function so I can enjoy the vibrant colors of my games more. While motion on this TV isn’t perfect either - subtitles tent leave some pixels behind when the shot pans - the issues I experienced with newer TV’s is far worse. The LG OLED55C9PLA, the Samsung Neo 50QN92A and the Samsung QE55Q90T have all been in my possession for a couple of days in the last two years. I bought these TV’s because I would love to have better HDR, better picture quality, HDMI2.1 and 120 Hz for 60fps. And while they delivered on those feautures, I also got motion issues which most forums and sites describe as judder and stutter issues. Allow me to explain what I’m experiencing on the screen (which varies from TV to TV, but I will generalize here): While playing Assassins Creed Valhalla on my PS5 I can’t believe how sharp the three promising televisions are. However, when I move the camera around my character, my character’s outline gets a sort of extra aura around it. As if there are some pixel distortions aroud Eivor (the character). Playing with the judder and stutter settings will fix this tremendously. However, now the background is showing distortions when I move the camera around. The effects are so heavy for me, that I’m getting a headache. One thing that shows the motion issues well is when I open the map of the game. While scrolling through the map, all the lines on the map are vibrating and thus become blurry. Only when I stop scrolling, the lines and places are sharp. I can’t read any placenames when scrolling through the map. I experience the same problems with Spider-Man: Miles Morales. Both the map issue and the motion-issue with the camera are present when playing this game on one of the three former mentioned TV’s. However, this game has a bigger issue where skyscraper buildings are cut in two when moving the camera or swinging trough the city. If I didn’t have my Sony TV, I would’ve blamed the game for such a bug (which reminds me of screen tearing). These motion issues are completely gone when playing the games on 60fps. Then everything is smooth and works great! So now I’m thinking, this is a framerate issue. Are these new televisions incapable of creating flawless motion of anything less than 60fps? Since Assassins Creed Valhalla and Spider-Man: Miles Morales are the only two games I have which can be set on 60fps (and I value the fidelity mode more than the performance mode), I’m somewhat screwed, aren’t I? Watching Netflix or a blu-ray gives me other unpleasant results. The credits of each film have the same effect as the maps of the games. The credits - when scrolling - are not clear at all. They are - in fact - unreadable. Blurry and vibrating on the screen. I can adjust this somewhat with the Judder and Stutter settings, but than other things in the film start to become an issue for me. When the camera is panning in a shot, I can experience something akin to framedrop. The pan is not smooth at all. Again, playing with these settings I can adjust it so that the framedrop drops, but the motion is all blurry again. I once compared my Sony to a Samsung side by side and I am so surprised that my older Sony model is displaying motion in these shots way more accurately. So 25fps is a problem for these TV’s as well? Which is a problem for me, because I am a major cinephile. And admittedly, I’m lazy as well. I prefer one setting for all my TV uses. I don’t want to jump into settings for watching a film and then adjust them again for playing a game. This doesn’t work for me at all. Ofcourse I’ve tested with others games, other consoles and multiple film platforms as well. But the conclusion is always the same. I need perfect motion and these modern televisions don’t handle motion very well.

[@Goenie2005]

@@stevenvanroosmalen check out Sony with the new XR processor

[@scrappychildhood6633]

I remember when you had 500 subs good job Bro

[@bitsbobs8158]

I'm gutted that Panasonic stopped making full array local dimming TVs. In my living room I'm still rocking Panasonics last FALD TV they ever made, 2016's Panasonic DX902. It's still going strong and outperforms all these high end Samsung QLEDs that I've been buying for my gaming room. It even has more dimming zones than many of Samsung's offerings. I've had the Samsung Q90R, Q900T, Neo QLED QN95A and QN95B. Yet I still prefer the Panasonic. The only thing I prefer about the Samsung's is the anti reflective screen coating.

[@scottylans]

Plasma or OLED. These are the only 2 options for picture quality

[@bitsbobs8158]

@@scottylans Panasonic made the DX902 for plasma lovers.

[@getsideways7257]

@@scottylans Only QD-OLED and self-emissive quantum dots in the near future.

[@jaythomasni]

Not Sure why Panasonic shying away from high end TVs. They left North America, They should. make a FALD 8K MiniLed as a DX902 successor.

[@bitsbobs8158]

@@jaythomasni Panasonic still make flagship TV's, just OLED ones. They do professional custom panels and stuff. The rest of their range is edgelit LED crap though. They seriously need to move away from edgelit TVs and pump out some FALDs. Panasonic making a dedicated gaming TV would be epic.

[@clshortfuse_]

For us in the US this is the R655 with Roku OS instead of Google OS. I'm using the 85" with 448 zones. Looks very good for daytime viewing, but obviously not as good as my LG C1 for movies. That said, high APL scenes do look great.

[@MMoreau]

The TCL93 should be even better : much more miniLED, OD 5, wide angles, 2000 nits, Dolby Atmos dedicated speakers

[@werkuuw1158]

can't wait for Vincent when he makes review of 75 inch c93 that's what I'm thinking to buy that's why waiting for review

[@ShoganGeorge]

Screen uniformity issue, and exceeding Delta error 3. That stuff just puts me off. Having a Sony, you don't see these issue, that just makes me want to stick to the brand rather. Plus the 4k TV I have still looks amazing after years. My parents have an old 1080p Sony, I plugged a Mi TV stick into that, and just blown away by how good that still looks too.

[@ordinadim1732]

I beg you, do the review of the c935!

[@TheRealLegendoz]

Can you please do a comparison between the new TCL C935 and Samsung QN90A, that will be interesting, I want to buy a new TV and these two TVs are in my list.

[@budthecyborg4575]

My intention is to buy the C93 as soon as Vince gets his review done, hopefully this C83 review can act as a beta test to get the C93 firmware into a more polished state at launch.

[@soulfreshACV]

Waiting for your review of TCL C935

[@daxie47]

Is there an optimal settings guide for the c835 yet?

[@cyxvgs4499]

Your LZ2000 has got un problem no? The white in the Matrix scene is so blue😱 i just tried with my old HZ2000, and the white is white the difference is awesome !

[@yuan-jia]

Hey Vincent, will you post a comparison/review with the c93 series from TCL to see what their flagship has to offer in comparison?

[@eagles725]

Can't wait to see how stacks up against the new Hisense U8H

[@smc2232]

same. the u8h looks so promising but i’m cautiously optimistic.

[@thezerastora]

DSE is such a problem I can’t believe they haven’t fixed it. For decades I mean jeeez Do I buy a 83” OLED or do I buy 85” LED 8K I mean the pain.

[@kiisseli1337]

8K LED’s (best models) have much worse image quality than 4K models, so that is easy choice. Check Rtings reviews for proof.

[@thezerastora]

@@kiisseli1337 but if I wanted to 8K game on a native screen then I’d need the 8K not to me they’re actually cheaper than the 4K oleds. I didn’t see the hype for QD I was genuinely disappointed I still think the A90J is the best. Especially considering you can get it at 83”

[@NyteRazor]

Wow a woofer built in behind the tv. That's a first I've seen. Impressive. Thank you for finding this gem.

[@shotgunmasterQL]

There have definitely been "sub" woofers built into other TVs as well. The latest TV where it was pretty prominent was Samsung's Q70R (I think it was a ported sub) few years ago, but I think some other Samsungs since then might have also had subs built in. But Euro Philips TVs have had different speaker arrangements, including built in subwoofers, for years now. My dad's old FullHD Philips from around 2012 also had a subwoofer, with the woofer being aimed towards the back wall (I think it was also bass radiator type of design instead of acoustic suspension or ported design) so that it would have some room gain. Funny last example, but my old 2007 Fujitsu Siemens laptop also advertised that it had a built in subwoofer, which was good enough to make the sound feel decently full, but of course it didn't hit the very low notes. The speakers were pretty serviceable thanks to it, and it actually made the keyboard keys vibrate and make buzzing noises a little bit. Not bad if you were using the keyboard and had hands on the machine because then the casis wouldnt vibrate the keys, but not pleasant if you were watching or listening something on it without putting pressure on the casis.

[@bloomerb4162]

Nice if you can find one with tolerable DSE.

[@iSaudixKSA]

Thank you for the review. Please do a review for the C935 im really into it

[@alexsaraceno6144]

Vincent, you mentioned the Native Contrast is 7,500:1. But what about the Contrast with Local Dimming set to High on this TCL 8-series ? I know Samsung hits almost 20,000: 1 with local dimming to High.

[@councilofflorence4896]

Did you find out?

[@alexsaraceno6144]

@@councilofflorence4896 No never did. At this point, I moved on from this TV. The reviews were not good.

[@huibhoofddorp4433]

TCL QLED 4K TV 65C935 Review

[@don.timeless4993]

I can't wait for their Micro LED TVs

[@alexandresoares8978]

Vincent... great content as usual. Would you recommend the TCL C835k over the SonyX90J? I'm on the look for a 65in TV under £1200 but am having a hard time choosing the right one. Thanks in advance

[@natemekis3959]

Vincent doesn’t answer every question. Seems that this tcl is a better bang for the buck

[@evalover8622]

If u want better black,higher brightness,Anti reflection coating and wider viewing angle also bang for the buck Pick TCL If u want better upscaling and motion go for Sony X90K

[@basarakaneki3018]

LG C2 48" for 900$ TCL C835 55" for 700$ Idk which one should i go with. OLED is cool but the burn-in is a pain in the back C835 is also cool but idk if it's good for pc gaming

[@dwinandaaldyan]

I have the same dilemma. What do you end up with?

[@CaniceMcGrath]

Why tcl leaving c935 last to release for reviewers. The 935 has 1080/1920 dimming zones vs 835 fewer 300 odd dimming zones

[@vollkerball1]

Nice, competition is needed so the consumer can have the best value for the money! it is such a shame that over 90% of buyers don´t know what or why to buy a certain TV for their home.

[@user-oq4rm5ci9p]

It is pitty that Vincent doesn't measures ANSI contrast with Local Dimming on. In real scenario LD is always on

[@Zoranurai13]

There is a difference between a high measured contrast and a good looking image

[@adams983]

Hello, just wanted to confirm, so does this mean the tv can actually play true 4k@120hz ? or is it "fake" 4K@120hz like the Sony Bravia X85K? I read that the Sony X90K does truly support 4k@120hz but not X85K due to its chipset. Just wanted to make sure if the C835 plays 4K@120hz like X85K, or X90K?

[@thelastbanana0678]

I heard that it can run 4k on 60 Hz for pc if you go more that quality of pictures get more blurry

[@davidgodal98]

When can we expect a review of the C935?

[@leonardsmith82]

I have to admit, you will give praise to the underdog when deserved 🙏

[@reyhanmanik2453]

Because of this i love tcl and panasonic thank you.. from Indonesia

[@chinogambino9375]

After the update drops itd be great to see if 444 is possible at 4k 120.

[@zperdek]

Meanwhile in other parts of EU this thing goes for 1499€/55", on 1599€ discounted/65" and 2799€ for 75".

[@HexedHavoc]

Any chance they will fix 444 @ 4k/120hz in a future firmware update? I notice if I set my 55c835 to 60hz pc mode that it displays properly via a test pattern but if I even go to 61hz it is blurry/messy ;(

[@thelastbanana0678]

Really?? I'm look forward to buy this TV for my pc gaming I would like to run it on 4k 120hz .. but what you say here make me nervous 🥲

[@HexedHavoc]

@@thelastbanana0678 Honestly dont let it worry you, for real content everything looks great, only it test patterns can you notice any weirdness because of 422. I've had the tv now for about 5 months and very happy with the picture quality using it with my pc :) hdr is epic :D

[@thelastbanana0678]

@@HexedHavoc thanks for your reply I already bought Samsung qn90 55 inch it's way much better and have many features make it amazing for gaming and movie ,, I'm not big fan for watching movies but as I know from many reviews in KZbin they say it can run 144hz in 4k Very smooth and have wonderful images the price is little bit higher the C835 but it's worth.. can't wait to receive it 😄😄

[@xSh0ckSterx]

Did any update resolve the chroma 444 subsampling issue? Are you able to run the display at 120hz with a PC?

[@S380SL4W]

Hi all. I think this is the only review on KZbin which mention that this TV got Low Frame Compensation which you must have for VRR this days if you prefer to choose quality instead of performance on console games for smooth picture. You just didn't cover how this TV handle motion or is there any ghosting of dark fast moving objects on screen. But overall your reviews are very professional. Now I'm swap my Bravia x90f on this c835. Advice please.

[@Dudenesschocobo]

You forgot to mention if vrr works with local dimming. The most important thing actually. Please inform if you can.

[@WhatTheHex]

He said it works even there is no option for it while in vrr mode. Local dimming was visible in that screenshot. I saw same thing when I was testing C935.. I can not say if it is full "on" or best possible as there was not much games using vrr that had really black background/part to observe ld performance..

[@E96]

@@WhatTheHex How's the DSE on the C935?

[@WhatTheHex]

@@E96 It is visible in DSE test videos, not so often in real material.. so not best, not worst.. for comparison I have Sony XE9305 which has pretty clean backlight.. only edges has slight uniform dimming visible (that do not distract or bother me at all..) But as that sony is not in market anymore I dont know how c935 DSE compares to models currently in sale..

[@ggp9690]

This was the reason I returned the 2021 TCL 6-Series. I couldn’t get local dimming to work with VRR. It sucks, because I actually really liked the picture on the TV.

[@Dudenesschocobo]

@@WhatTheHex nope that's not enough proof for me man. Already a victim of xh90. Tcl should say yes it's working totally.

[@OnMyFingerTips]

After seeing a bunch of youtube reviews, I was convinced that TCL was the best bang for the buck TV. However, after three years after purchase, my TCL backlight started flickering like crazy. I will probably go back to LG or Samsung this time...

[@kristfur]

Every year brands get better at producing products and improving quality. Eventually TCL will compete with the big boys.

[@MichaelBeeny]

Here in NZ, TCL is a budget brand. Most retailers are not that keen on it, not sure why. Just looking and comparing in some retailers, I must admit, often the big brands do tend to have better pictures. But saying that, you do get a fair product for quite a low price.

[@gasparmxm]

This is common with TCL, cheap qled tvs, but they don't last long enough, I had one and it last 1.5 years before the backlight started flickering, it never happened with my old LG TV Led 9 years TV still running strong, LG quality.

[@RoyRichard-bg8yc]

Is the personal right of each to buy any tv from any brand. Cheaper and pocket-friendly is great, but one of the tradeoffs is that TCL colour accuracy doesn't beat Sony.

[@racineurr.8924]

Another Sony fanboy shouts its truth to the world. Buy your Sony this and that and keep on believing you're buying the Sony of 1980-1990 when they were at their peak. Reminds me of someone who would buy an iPhone 14 Pro to make calls to the neighbour. Even a millionnaire wouldn't do that.

[@dariomladenovski7047]

lol I can't stand those dull accurate colors that Sony produces

[@andrew5097]

Hey just wanted to say that as of June 2024 I believe that TCL have still not fixed the PC connection issue (NVIDIA gpu) that is discussed in the review.

[@jimv1983]

I saw lots of instances in this video of why I'll never buy a backlit TV again. I'll be sticking with OLED until QDEL.

[@user-oq4rm5ci9p]

Image retention and ABL are no go

[@TECHOSAUR]

FIRST, LIKE UR CHANNEL , you help me choose know a lot about TVs and monitors! :)

[@R6ex]

Hisense U8H vs TCL C835 ..... can't wait !! 😉

[@R6ex]

C835 = U8H > U8HQ (IPS)

[@loki76]

wonder what kind of CSOT (TCL) panels Sony is buying that are so crappy for X95K. They are literally BLUE in native contrast exacerbating the blooming making it blueish and more visible. Imagine they instead had 7500:1 native contrast panels. I know wide viewing angle filters reduce native contrast, but does it also make them blue? I rather have a MiniLED without that wide angle and 7500:1 instead and blooming would be less obtrusive.

[@Emptrix]

Sony has been screwing up year after year since the X900F. If it weren't for the C835 still being incapable of handling 4K 120hz at full 4:4:4 chroma, I would have entirely not consider the Sonys but unfortunately this is still the case. X90K seems to still be a viable option despite the blooming issues. If Samsung further reduces the price of their QN95B I guess that will be the buy if we can look past their worse screen uniformity quality control.

[@jackw9568]

Main problem with high contrast VA panels is the distracting gamma shift where blacks and shadow details keep changing with even slight changes in eye position. Until that's solved, I prefer the lower contrast wide-angle VA panels from Sony and Samsung.

[@MaaZeus]

As much as curved panels got shat on around the internet, one clear boon they did have is that they dramatically reduced the horizontal gamma shift of VA panels when viewed straight on.

[@ThePipojp]

Also, the QN90B gets to 20000:1~30000:1 contrast ratio while also having better dimming algorithm anyway, no reason to go for the C835

[@dariomladenovski7047]

did you even watch the video? Vincent clearly said that the TCL has a better algorithm than Sony and Samsung

[@Zysperro]

​@@ThePipojpmy reason for going with TCL is that it's 3 times cheaper :D

[@ultimablackmage]

I wouldn't mind seeing more reviews of budget TVs. Maybe a review of the Hisense U7H?

[@TediousMonotonus]

Could you do a video adjusting the picture settings of TCL 835, please?

[@markusrayan]

While waiting for the C935 review I had a change to see the 75" C935 in store yesterday. Was pretty impressed. Far from ideal test conditions but managed to get the C935 out of "store demo vivid mode" and see how it performs in SDR & HDR (Movie mode). Did not see any blooming in actual content even on subtitles (at in in-store lighting conditions). If I look close to the screen at an extreme off-angle then yes but not in real content and from actual viewing distance and angle. Upscaling was good but not excellent (same with all source processing). I've seen Sony upscale poor quality sources to a very high degree. Not so much on the TCL. Feeding the TCL a good quality source is a must. Viewing angles very quite good for a VA. Not too much gamma shift and mostly just color desaturation. The screen is glossy but the actual panel appears to suspended behind the screen about a few millimeters giving a sort of windowed feel to it. I don't know how I feel about that. Most likely something that I would get used to very quickly. HDR looked good with proper content. Meaning: same as with C83 the dynamic tone mapping over brightened everything and wasn't usable at all. Leaving it of however made some content way too dim and crushed shadow detail (judging by YT HDR content here so most likely not an issue from a good source). I'm very sensitive to PWM and stutter and I'm happy to say that motion on low frame rate content (24fps) was good and gave me no eye fatigue, headaches or other issues. De-judder setting had a good degree of granularity to hit a sweet spot between stutter and SOE. Didn't test any gaming but 60fps content from YT looked very good (at least no smearing). Ask me anything..

[@vasanthkumar-nv8yy]

is it better than samsung qn90a? in picture quality

[@markusrayan]

@@vasanthkumar-nv8yy Yes absolutely. There might be some instances where the processing is better on the Samsung but overall the TCL is better imo. Not to mention the PWM frequency in Samsung TVs is so low that it's unusable.

[@vasanthkumar-nv8yy]

@@markusrayan thanks 👍

[@suleimanjabour7665]

Would you buy it over OLED?

[@pdg8493]

comparison with a lg c2 and a samsung s95b and the sony 90j of 2021 what do you think? to nhe because it costs very little compared to these two panels at least 60% less in the 65 inch version .. it seems a must buy.

[@btm_kiwigaming5449]

& here I am just hoping my C825 gets it's first update since the factory update it had from July last year 🙃 Still running Android rather than the promised Google TV & has the crapy SoC issue with 4K @ 120Hz as well as terrible VRR inverse ghosting.

[@dmo848]

U don't want Google tv. Android TV is better.

[@btm_kiwigaming5449]

@@dmo848 I heard Google TV is meant to be far better & more streamlined/optimised for a faster & snappier system than Android? But either way, if the only way I can sort the issues out my TV is having is an update that comes with the Google TV O.S. built in, then I'm gonna have to just live with it 😅 I do prefer the Optimisation/Cache dumping feature the Android O.S. has.

[@FrostedEmbers]

I've had a C825 with GTV from the get go. I just replaced it with ATV. Now, this means you're getting a different firmware of course. VRR problems still persists whatever version I tried (GTV or ATV). The only thing I don't get is why HDR is becoming dimmer (HGiG or DTM, same issue).

[@btm_kiwigaming5449]

@Ashraf Bouhadida I got a free upgrade to the C835 late last year. I noticed a few pink marks in the screen of my C825 while viewing light scenes which bugged me & apparently it was a known issue of the batch mine was part of where the factory examiners accidentally marked the panels with permanent marker 😅 The C835 has amazing picture quality, much better than C825. A few software boot loop glitches but other than that, best TV I have seen (I work with TV's every day.)

[@christofferaasted]

You should cover that X900H now has rebooting issues, AGAIN, with a new firmware update.. Only android device in the house and it does this!

[@EazyDuz18]

no just yours faulty lol cope

[@christofferaasted]

@@EazyDuz18 Oh right, thats why reddit is full of it as of recent.

[@EazyDuz18]

@@christofferaasted You're a redditor? Grow up mate

[@Omsehnji]

I wonder when we will come to a day where tvs have more in common in performance than in differences.

[@MyGadgetsWorld]

Glad you are covering something besides LG and cheaper models.

[@shadowman_390]

Awesome content man. Not that interedted in the content, but I apreciate the depth.

[@dallasgrant]

I am looking to replace my (now dead)X900H, I was just going to go for the new X90K, but your review of this TV was a head turner, I really want to like sony, I do, but having been let down by the X900H I was reluctant, this TV looks great spec wise, I might see if I can view one in store, a lot of the tech stuff went over my head, what didn't though were the features offered by the TV and it's closeness to high end TV(high in my price range anyway), thanks for the review, very informative.

[@archie9104]

Thanks a lot! Will there be a review of the TCL C93?

[@E96]

Yes.

[@hulkenstrong]

I have mixed feelings about this TV. It did fix the disconnecting problems I had with my C825 and PC/NVidia rtx3070. My TV suffers from LOUD coil whine when brightness goes to 10 or bellow. Worse is that enabling local dimming high will cause EXTREME coil whine every time screen goes completely black or when 90~ of the screen is black. Using local dimming low and brightness at 12 "solves" it but thanks the contrast ratio in dark room. Missing 144Hz mode looking on the history of C825 and how few updates there where during the 9 months I had it, waiting for a update fix scares me greatly.

[@E96]

Does it display 4:4:4 chroma at 4K120 hz?

[@dariomladenovski7047]

why would you disable LD though?

[@hulkenstrong]

@@dariomladenovski7047 Not sure what you mean but for chroma 4:4:4 you need PC mode and it disables LD for one. I didn't say to disable LD? I said LD HIGH is problematic but LD LOW had no problem. So I am using LD LOW since I can't stand coil whine.

[@dariomladenovski7047]

@@hulkenstrong so if I keep LD on high I will be fine right? I'm in a big dilemma between this TV and the QN90B, the TCL 65inch is the same price as the 55inch QN90B

[@hulkenstrong]

@@dariomladenovski7047 Yes. Also the TV you get might not even suffer from it. Also TCL did push a update so in most cases LD HIGH now works fine (but the deep black are closer to LOW now). My usage as a PC monitor still gets coil whine. So I just keep it at LOW to get none.

[@HicSvntDracones]

I have the TCL 6 55R635, was the first year they put out a miniled panel (2020), and I LOVE it, refresh could be higher, but that is about it. One thing though, is that the minileds make the tv HEAVY. It takes at least 2 people to pick this think up to move it.

[@notlatif6214]

What?? I thought minileds where lighter

[@HicSvntDracones]

@@notlatif6214 My TV, the TCL 55R635 is 19.01 kg (kilograms) 41.91 lbs (pounds)... why do you think they are lighter? On OLED's the pixels produce light, so they don't require an additional backlight, and they are much cooler ruunning, so they need less cooling. LED's have more componenets, namely the LED's, and the miniled's, while being smaller, contain a LOT more of them, 1,000 led's in mine, which means the screen can get a lot brighter, but that also means a lot more heat, requiring more cooling. I was really surprised at the weight though, you can pick up most LED TV's with no issue, but this one was a no go. 42 lbs doesn't sound like much, but add the physical size, in along with the price of dropping it, and it gets a LOT heavier :)

[@notlatif6214]

@@HicSvntDracones "why do you think they are lighter?" basically ignorance, thanks for explaining!

[@HicSvntDracones]

@@notlatif6214 :) I wasn;t trying to belittle you, in case it came off that way, I reread it and was like, hmm, I sound like a dick. :) No probs on the explanation,a lot of places don;t really cover mini-leds, they were thought of as a fad that would go away, but they sem to be performing a lot better than people thought.

[@notlatif6214]

@@HicSvntDracones Ohh no I didn't mean it like that hahahah don't worry, I was just admitting my own ignorance as in "lack of knowledge of something", maybe it sounds worse in english oops No worries at all man, thanks for being helpful A friend of mine recently bought a miniled, the tcl 65c835, no idea how it performs but I'm exited to watch something on it!

[@giuseppedibernardo537]

good morning ..... I subscribed to your channel .... I saw your review on tcl. 835 and I was very satisfied .... you stimulated my curiosity to buy this TV .... I would like to take the 65 inch .... is it a good buy ?? do you recommend it? .... thank you very much and good job

[@K4sk4d3]

You gotta test the 75PML9636. The 65” can do 1500 nit and that one already makes you turn your head away when cams pan over the sun. Test the 75” with a shooter on your console, I’d like to see your reaction to a 2000 nit flash bang. 😅

[@marcogorgargames]

Awesome video. PLZ dude, Could you do a video or text in your site adjusting picture settings of TCL 835?

[@VandrefalkTV]

I reaaaally hope the C935 review comes out soon, it's on sale for a few days where I live now! The 65" is about $£1500, went down $£400.

[@aegontargaryen573]

Talk about update 1302/1303 for the S95B they forced it onto us and capped it at 1020 nits on every mode except dynamic!

[@bloomerb4162]

1500 was pretty much obviously too high for oled. 1000 is still great.

[@FantaSaus]

@@bloomerb4162 and why leave Dynamic still @1400/1500 Nits ?! When 1500 Nits is too hight, they need to nerved dynamic to

[@CH-bn7qb]

Simple answer is they released the TVs with far too high a NITS parameter to impress TV reviewers to think it can handle that high a brightness over the long term now the reviews are done they tone down the Brightness to a more reliable level to mitigate burn in. Typical Samsung really Sony went out the gate with a realistic NITS parameter without scamming TV reviews with what the Tv could actually do.

[@FantaSaus]

@@CH-bn7qb again… the TV still has 1400/1500 Nits, but only in the (way off) Dynamic Mode. They need to take down this hight nits to 1000, like in Movie or Fimmaker Mode. Gamemode was 1400 Nits and now its nerfed to 1000 Nits too, i loved my S95B but now i have a G2 with better Motion/less artifacs and the same Nits like the S95B now :D :D

[@CH-bn7qb]

@@FantaSaus well my point still stands they only have it in 1 mode dynamic rather than all this still mitigates they issue to an certain extent because not everyone will choose that picture setting however if every mode still hit 1500 nits then that’s higher percentage of people with potential issues hope that makes sense end of the day a heatsink would have solved a lot of these issues

[@Mazza666]

13:16 I hope they fix Dolby vision gaming to 120hz. Will wait and see what happens with this before I consider buying this tv. Otherwise would be buying it right now. Would this be the best budget mini led tv to buy? Great review as always 👍

[@faris3898]

does work in 120 on ps5 ?

[@Xperiapro33]

Use tv pc mode disable local zone dimming.(4:4:4 only pc mode).

[@alindumitruazoitei3828]

The TCL C835 have also updates so its better than before. Vincent calibrated it when was not yet any updates

[@LordNorbika]

With the newer updates local dimming does not work. What is the firmware that make local dimming to work and how do we get it?

[@alindumitruazoitei3828]

@@LordNorbika I have V474

[@LordNorbika]

@@alindumitruazoitei3828 Thanks, it's working with this firmware.

[@WRedblack]

Please sir give tcl 835 best calibration settings colors accuracy

[@Adrianek81]

I think i can see more blooming than QN95A has

[@Adrianek81]

@El Cactuar thanks

[@HueyTheDoctor]

I'm buying this tomorrow. Thank you so much for validating my decision. Buyer's remorse is a bitch.

[@budthecyborg4575]

Samsung does have 7,000:1 Native Contrast on the Q70 series, but they won't pair those panels with a good FALD system because they think the "Viewing Angle" metric is more important than contrast on a high end TV (and from a marketing perspective I can't blame them, but as a Gamer is means that Samsung is no longer #1).

[@vladimirvidovic7443]

Q95ts was the last good qled from samsung. Neo qled is super, but other qled models suxx. Every year is worse

[@jotapeeee4009]

The 43 and 50 inch QN90B don't have the wide viewing angle layer if that helps

[@DravenxEyeless]

I currently own a LG B7 OLED that has seen some battle, and some small but noticable burn ins, and I'm thinking on replacing it, and I was thinking about this TV, because I've been told the 825 version was quite up there against OLED tvs. Should I get this TV so I get something better than what I own now or should I look elsewhere, without breaking the bank?

[@barmitsva6897]

Just bought this right as we speak for 1500$. It has a subwoofer is its great

[@MrHafidm]

Are you going to review the tcl c93?

[@DaveNLR2]

I returned two TCLs due to DSE which TCL support said was "Normal". I gave up on them and bought a Z9J. Ill never buy another TCL

[@owenbell307]

I'm unsure which mini led TV to go for on black Friday, will you make a video?