[Telegram CEO] Pavel Durov's Telegram Founder Arrest Should Worry Privacy Advocates

[@neospook]

That's brutal! How dare us ordinary folks want any privacy at all! 😱🤔

[@joskyyworker]

telegram is the worst privacy focused messenger out there. its terrible

[@daou444]

@@joskyyworker cap

[@joskyyworker]

@@daou444 telegram requires a phone number to register an account, their encryption protocol was made by few people who are not recognized as experts in the cryptography field, also, it was proven that there are multiple cryptographic weaknesses in their protocol

[@notNRK]

@@daou444 not cap....... do some research plz thank you

[@BillAnt]

Well, he might be be Doing Fed Time soon. heh Jokes aside, it's sad that a free tool is being attacked by govs, guess these are the times we're living in. Anyway, while the actual pipe is secure, govs can deploy client side spyware to see it before it gets encrypted.

[@Kyle-ck5wu]

And yet the person that runs kik hasnt been arrested despite their insane €P issue

[@KH40T1C_yt]

its almost like that's a feature instead of an issue in regards to Kik. As they say, sick F***s run the world

[@marthamasdeo9833]

@@Kyle-ck5wu follow the $$$

[@atl6s]

when i was in high school, almost every girl i knew had been either groomed or abused via kik messenger.

[@tropicaljupiter]

That benefits the very people who don’t want YOU to have any privacy

[@Kyle-ck5wu]

@@atl6s it's disgusting

[@_vilepenguin]

#FREEPAVEL

[@epotnwarlock]

After the tornado cash guy getting sentenced its just a matter of time before govt control of the internet will exist at the ISP level

[@alfonzo7822]

Wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't already

[@bosco4533]

It already does and if you don't think it does or that you have any privacy then I have a bag of magic beans to sell you.

[@improvisedchaos8904]

I've been under the belief this has been overwhelming true ever since "Anonymous" came onto the scene. It was a dragnet psychological profiling operation aimed at teens; profile them while they are young and easier to evaluate.

[@BillAnt]

Trying to ban encryption ain't gonna work. People can simply side-load apps on Androids and iPhone soon, giving the middle finger to govs. lol

[@keylightsystems]

It already does. They know what you download.

[@HassanElmi]

Guys, the french warrant was out for a while and he avoided it. He then went to Baku Azerbajan at the same time Putin and the Russian delegation was there, he then took his private jet straight to France afterwards. Question is why would a smart and rich man do this knowing there was a warrant out in that country. What did he not like in Baku that made him fly straight to the hands of the French authorities.

[@Akillian1]

Too many Muslims there for starters

[@HassanElmi]

@@Akillian1 If you have nothing productive to say, move along.

[@Akillian1]

@@HassanElmi you have only yourself to blame for being upset about a valid answer to your own question. Azerbaijan is full of muslims but I think you know that. if you take things said on the internet personally, its time for a break wallah.

[@That_LuganVods]

@@HassanElmi he answered your question to a T. Unless you just want people to say what you want to hear

[@HassanElmi]

@@That_LuganVods Try being a human.

[@rakly347]

Do criminals use EUR and USD? 🤔

[@zelobeats2375]

He said he believes even Isis should have the freedom of speech and privacy , idk why he would go to a western country so weird to me

[@danielvest9602]

This is depressing and chilling.

[@mikemaldanado6015]

now we are getting to see what the cia calls a persons true face. it is only revealed when under extreme duress - so this can also be seen as a positive - our institutions are collapsing. if they continue act in this manner everyone will have to take notice and that's when some real drastic change will happen either through a revolution or by some other means. i am surprised this happened in france, the french people have marched and protested against their govt over much smaller issue.

[@TheAwillz]

"positive that our instituions are collapsing" nice try ivan...

[@adadaprout]

@@mikemaldanado6015 You are wrong about France. They are us puppets and slaves. NSA says, France does.

[@raymond_luxury_yacht]

Socialist country... Just like the funny moustache national socialist party. Not surprised.

[@MrObsidus]

They will riot but they will not effect actual change. Same thing happening is in the USA. Baa baa...

[@Sgttv]

Problem is that central europe govs are experiencing hightened threat levels through terrorism. This is sadly as is as a situation, being instrumentalized (fear) in order to drive the narrative that such actions are needed to prevent said events in the future. Most people are uneducated when it comes to privacy and therefore likely to comply. Sad thing is that we hear very often that the suspects had already been under surveilance of the intelligence service but weren't able to prevent the event from happening anyway. Conclusion: Blame everything bad on Immigrants (some parties) while the people in power erase privacy under the false conclusion that it equals more security for the people and the people will cheer for them... At least that's my observation and it makes me loose hope in society :(

[@hommie241]

The system doesnt want you to be self sufficient, this is why they need to control everything they can’t have an encrypted App it is a threat to their system. Since they can’t control it,

[@kubakielbasa5987]

There are people that can read from one part of the text and know the other part even without context and there are people that can't. I got the rest out of context that's of course for the people that can't

[@veasnaec]

I believe more and more people should be aware about this problem, digital privacy.

[@lotuschamp7796]

This is like charging the inventor of the hammer for the murder of all people who have been killed by a hammer, it is insanity and a perversion of the justice system.

[@lellyparker]

No it's not. It's like charging a pub owner for allowing people to sell drugs in his bar. The owner has a responsibility to take reasonable steps to make sure people are not breaking the law in his establishment.

[@apechief]

Free Pavel Durov!

[@habarizenuTV]

Keep in mind the "ban" is actually on an individual's freedom. Governments and people connected with them (corporations) will still be allowed to "break" these same laws/bans- What 's is needed are effective solutions...knowing the government will work 24/365 to stop ALL individual freedoms where and how ever they find it-

[@Sam_Bent]

Very well said!

[@armordcrab]

very disappointing. kinda felt similarly about authoritarianism growing in popularity around the globe. it's very sad and scary. people ignoring it makes it scarier. thanks for keeping us informed and spreading information that you care about. I can tell you care alot and it shows. you're helping people alot to stay informed and learn. love you man, keep up the stellar work!

[@xyxyxyksxyxyxy]

Why would he fly to France knowing about the warrant, knowing he would get arrested, AFTER coincidentally going to Baku the same time as Putin?

[@Juice-Networrk]

I believe he had a dinner planned with president Macron, and macron screwed him over

[@rakly347]

How are they going to stop PGP? We also don't necessarily need a centralized platform. This is only going to make people use and develop more privacy tools.

[@spectrumboss6696]

Privacy for me but not for thee, free speech is a luxury of the rich.

[@cleava959]

This is scary

[@GEX-_-]

No app, no program can get around the 8th layer that law enforcement uses to track users.

[@WackNoir]

Can you explain the 8th layer a bit more? I’m new to all this stuff

[@GEX-_-]

@WackNoir You can't always get What you wanted

[@DanishCryptoDK]

#FreeDurov !!!

[@eteceo6493]

I’m still confused about the EU’s plan to ban privacy. Please go into more of the details. I have 0 cybersecurity experience but I can still understand and deal with 5-10 minutes longer of info. Thanks Sam!!!

[@donaldturnbull]

Invest in decentralized protocols, not centralized platforms.

[@0x370c2de]

this 💯

[@FPV_Viking]

Excited to see a new video, not so excited to see the state of the world... God bless

[@Hfgh564]

FREE Durov.

[@nicolo_curioni]

Thank you for your video; it was incredibly informative. It's crucial to understand what the future holds for us as individuals and developers, as well as what to expect and how to navigate potential political dangers. In my opinion, the EU is becoming increasingly less protective of privacy, contrary to what they claim. The direction things are heading could lead to situations reminiscent of the oppressive surveillance seen during WWII in Germany, which poses a significant risk for everyone. It's essential that we stay vigilant and ensure we're not hindered or penalized while working to develop a privacy-focused messaging app. ✌️

[@JordyValentine]

My telegram usage is so innocuous, 99% of it is just me chatting to my wife about normal household stuff. Even if im just sharing a shopping list I dont feel like my phone company and government need to know about that. I have nothing worth hiding, doesn't mean I want to share everything either.

[@beuman0]

As a Franco-Russian he should have know that Soviet Russia went from East to West of Europe. And you don't go in modern Soviet Russia if you have anything to do with freedom like letting people talk without government knowing what's going on.

[@unAgorist]

he's not natural french, he got french passport as a reward for saying no to russia when they asked him to give a backdoor; now they arrest him after he refused the same thing to them ! but yeah he should have known.

[@beuman0]

@@unAgorist Ah well in that case he couldn't know. Best of luck to him.

[@JDobermann]

Something has to be done about it. Thanks Sam for your point of view like always, pls keep going.

[@davegebbings7632]

Thanks Sam, your spoiling us with all these videos in quick succession.

[@benjaminfphillips]

It should fall under the same law ISPs etc get when it comes to their users and things like CP. The ISP is never charged it's down to the authorities to do some work which doesn't involve speeding tickets.

[@MichaelOfRohan]

Thanks Sam, you're doing GOD's work. It's unfortunate that most of the people seeking anonymity are doing so to commit crimes. Indiscriminately providing anonymity as a service is not a crime, but when someone uses your service to commit crime, that makes you an accomplice unless you explicitly state that the service is not intended to protect criminal activity. Even so, the authorities want the provider to enforce there users and the only way to do so is to spy on them all and report threat actors. The only logical way to move forward is to found a global order, and that entity can either decide to allow or disallow anonymity to settle the matter once and for all. Neither anarchy nor globalism are acceptable. I think the current state of affairs is as good as it ever will be. The only way forward is down, and I'm afraid. We all should be afraid.

[@InMoneroWeTrust]

In GOD’s work we trust

[@ЕвгенийМироненко-р8в]

In Europe and France, thousands of invaders from Africa and the Middle East illegally leave every day, who then do not work, live on money, engage in crime and kill people, but the authorities announced low prices to the enemies of China and Russia, now also Durov, who threaten Europe. they don't carry anything.

[@StefanReich]

It will go down but then up

[@98f5]

God forbid anyone do anything without the government knowing

[@ianbrooks9686]

I learned this from RT first...

[@pyromen321]

Is anyone else wondering if this arrest suggests that other popular e2e encrypted messaging apps aren’t actually e2e encrypted?

[@shashikaitha8805]

Teligram should be banned

[@RiftWalker111]

awful, this needs to be known

[@Ruhgtfo]

Imagine the logic of arrest CEO of Xbrand Vehicle, just because accident is caused by some others unknown.

[@rallias1]

1:02 Telegram is NOT an "encrypted messaging service". Telegram is primarily a plaintext messaging service that you can, if you know how to dig deep into random menus, CAN do encrypted messages, but the vast majority of users never enable that functionality. Like, Facebook can be more accurately called an encrypted messaging service than Telegram.

[@Leo-sd3jt]

As GrapheneOS pointed out, Telegram is NOT an encrypted messaging service despite it acting like it is one. They can see all of your messages.

[@TheHungryCaterpiller]

Maybe wait until it's public why he has been arrested and not instantly jump to the conclusion that because he built an encrypted app that he is beyond the law,..... as you stated so many time ..... in my opinion

[@blindhipshaker6409]

encryption wont matter when an AI is in all of our devices monitoring every keystroke.

[@w花b]

We didn't need AI to monitor keystrokes, I bet Google keyboard could already have that implemented if they wished (or if it isn't already the case)

[@Sam_Bent]

That’s the dystopian future we're heading toward. AI-driven surveillance makes encryption feel like a small shield against a massive weapon. It’s why we need to keep pushing for stronger privacy protections before it’s too late. Using encryption adds an additional layer. Your right about no security being bulletproof (if I'm understanding your drift) but at the same time I would point out that just because there is a master burgler doesn't mean that we should all just leave our doors unlocked. I really liked the alternate POV thank you for commenting!

[@Sam_Bent]

You’re not wrong. Big tech has been playing this game for a while, quietly collecting data under the guise of 'improving user experience.' AI just amplifies the scale and speed, making it harder for us to slip through the cracks.

[@blindhipshaker6409]

If all your contacts switch to LInux that will be safe for a long while and we can carry on using signal and pgp etc. because Linux will not have an AI like copilot or apple AI .

[@jakeallstar1]

​@@blindhipshaker6409 Linux is just so hard. I'm a computer guy who has Linux on all my computers and I routinely run in to Linux problems that I never had with windows. All of my friends will openly tell you they don't care enough about privacy to be on an operating system that has compatibility issues.

[@0000Ero]

probably the thing is he knew something about them and they arrested him 😂

[@effsixteenblock50]

I share your concerns regarding privacy and authoritarianism. However - there is something that you mentioned near the beginning of the video that hints at a key point in this whole debacle - You mentioned that Telegram chats are "semi-private". As I think you're aware, when you get past their horribly misleading marketing, Telegram states on their site that 1 to 1 messaging and group messaging are *not* E2EE. There is only an opt-in encrypted chat and there are *no* provisions for E2EE group chat whatsoever. Most use the defaults, falsely believing their chats are fully "private". This is what made Telegram such a juicy target for LE / governments - they know there's incriminating data on Telegram servers that's potentially accessible to them. I also don't think Durov made any friends by launching a campaign to malign & discredit Signal, which was pushed hard on social media and amplified by Musk. To be clear - as much as I think Durov is an asshole, I don't think he deserved to be arrested but by choosing to prioritize a snappy UI over using default E2EE, he dangled a huge carrot in front of the authorities.

[@randallstevens495]

I have definitely not done any research on my own but what about the CEO or creator of signal?

[@myfaveyoutube]

well do the research? Idk what you're even asking

[@phoneywheeze]

signal doesn't have public groups and channels like telegram, so I doubt they'd do that

[@_vilepenguin]

France is a 14 eyes county. The US wants Telegram messages. “Hey France grab that guy us pls and thanks k.”

[@Sam_Bent]

You nailed it. The whole '14 Eyes' alliance is basically a global surveillance club. France grabbing Durov on the US's behalf is just one hand washing the other. It's all about tightening the net on privacy.

[@steveman336]

The worse thing is people will just have to start using chinese or russian apps

[@Deniil2000]

or Matrix protocol, but it's still in its infancy, doesn't have quality group calls like Telegram had, and still has unpolished edges. The revolutionary idea behind Matrix is that people (with a little bit of computer knowledge) host their own chat-servers on their own premises, that can talk to each other (federate)

[@ownmicelio]

Signal?

[@THE_TROLLS_WIN_BOY]

Telegram is not even encrypted lol

[@H3li0s_kun]

@@THE_TROLLS_WIN_BOY Lol. I've always kinda thought there might be a conspiracy that telegram is run by the government. They make it (virtually) impossible to sign up without a phone number attached, despite it being "privacy" software. It could actually be a massive honeypot exposing the world's most clandestine conversations :P

[@dan-bz7dz]

yes it is. if you enable it

[@casioak1683]

​@@dan-bz7dz No it is not. Telegram is also notorious for heavy amount of scam/spam bots & groups

[@w花b]

Not by default

[@thewholeworldisburningharry123]

@@dan-bz7dz you need to go private mode for that, which like 90% of normies don’t

[@GreatAllen-p4m]

wow bro wow

[@tommyboi0]

Didn't this happen to the mega guy recently too? Saw this on mentaloutlaws channel

[@phoneywheeze]

@@tommyboi0 that was because of piracy, and he still isn't arrested, just his extradition to US got approved

[@Sam_Bent]

You’re right, similar situation. They target the creators, not because they’re guilty of anything, but because their platforms challenge state control. It’s about sending a message: don’t mess with the status quo.

[@Sam_Bent]

Correct!

[@tommyboi0]

@@Sam_Bent it's fucking insane, meanwhile in Aurora Colorado I've been hearing gangs from Venezuela are taking over apartment complexes and nobody's doing shit about fuck. Gets me really heated sorry lol

[@darkcze6870]

damn where else will i sell my drugs now?

[@teru797]

probably not a good idea to live in Europe or the West.

[@SeazonHDx]

French flag is blue white and red from left to right 😙

[@thahrimdon]

Can’t believe I’m this early.

[@usernameL1]

Telegram and privacy…? Yeah right.

[@Sam_Bent]

Agreed, but Telegram isn’t perfect, but it’s a step up from the open surveillance we’re used to. While it has its flaws, it still offers more privacy than most mainstream platforms. Like I said, I don't actually use it I dislike centralization in privacy apps.

[@teru797]

@@Sam_Bent probably a good idea for signal and session devs to go underground right?

[@joskyyworker]

@@Sam_Bent Even Whatsapp's encryption methods are safer than the encryption protocol telegram uses

[@accursedwomb8830]

Maybe don’t create a network for p3d0s and animal abus3r$ the amount of filth that is on that app is disgusting. Nothing wrong with privacy, but when you are using the app for illegal purposes such as I stated above. I have 0 sympathy for people like that especially who ignore abuse. Telegram does not even abide by their own TOS.

[@venus334]

Telegram was just rolling put it's blockchain and crypto currency. Add an option for anonymity on the platform and it's basically a darknet that is as easy to access as the clear.

[@elivelive]

Let them arrest Tim Cook let's see

[@metallicbeast]

Wow

[@mikeb1085]

i dont know how the hardware backdoors work but probably the eu jealous they have less access to that cuz they tryna build a monarchy?

[@mikeb1085]

>america founded on freedom would restrict access?

[@mikeb1085]

>so destroy america w/ importation & f* europe too? both flanks

[@mikeb1085]

>maybe.. just a theory

[@mikeb1085]

>already nsa filled w/ degenerates so.. hmm... i dont know...

[@AdMan-The-LabRat]

Not that surprised... after the Olympics and all, very dissapointing.

[@Sam_Bent]

It’s another example of the state flexing its muscles whenever it feels threatened. The more they try to control, the more cracks they reveal in their own authority.

[@chrisr7597]

Shortwave radio time.

[@Sam_Bent]

Back to basics, huh? It’s not a bad call.

[@SF-eg3fq]

bro posts 24/7 lol

[@Sam_Bent]

Gotta stay on top of the surveillance state, right? When they're working around the clock to strip us of privacy, we’ve got to keep the conversation going 24/7 too.

[@cabocoaxial]

Sorry , telegram is not neutral, and has side.

[@PierretteMarie-celineTur-mo5nx]

AMMERICAINS HAPPY PATRIOTS FROM ALL COMMUNTYS ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ Please wake up 😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇 0:38

[@Jonathan-ob5mx]

Free pavel free el chapo

[@ImEddieful]

I don't see how the CEO isn't complicit. We have no idea what he knows.

[@Deniil2000]

I also have no idea about your personal life, so you're now going to jail, because i have no idea what you know. You just reinvented soviet regime!

[@airaction6423]

@@ImEddieful we have no idea what your ISP knows but the owner of your ISP is not under arrest

[@ImEddieful]

@@airaction6423 Lol troll, I'm not the one enabling crime.

[@airaction6423]

@@ImEddieful we cannot know without a proper preventive inspection

[@sigmaroll9802]

Run like cane farm

[@Sam_Bent]

Exactly. When the state tightens its grip, it’s a signal to run, not walk, towards better OpSec and anonymity. Durov’s arrest is just another sign that they’re coming for anything that threatens their control.

[@user-xp8nq5mf9y]

KZbin Wizard.

[@sleepwalk2thejeweller]

3 bro

[@abigautam1085]

Anyone who knows how to make money on dark web I got to escape matrix 😅

[@abigautam1085]

Really not kidding

[@Jungles-wl4wk]

No one follow this guy, he lies alot

[@JonMurray]

Which guy?

[@theREALchriszito]

examples? not disagreeing just genuinely curious

[@_underscore490]

@@Jungles-wl4wk back up ur statements or fuckoff

[@StefanReich]

When did he lie?

[@Synflood-dot-txt]

4:01 is a well placed quote, great video Sam!

[@Jungles-wl4wk]

You're nothing compared to hugbunter

[@marthamasdeo9833]

Disappointed? Grow up

[@JonMurray]

Care to explain that little outburst?

[@marthamasdeo9833]

@@JonMurray get back 🔙 in your 🐌

[@w花b]

​@@JonMurray Don't expect these kinds of comments to answer to anything. But who knows, you might be lucky.

[@pri0r_t0_a_weekago...fukwi48]

This makes me sick…. PEOPLE, PRIVACY IS EVERYTHING!!!!

[@Swc_Leader]

@Doingfedtime dince your not a fan of telegram qhat would your best recommendation be.

[@DrXJ]

I was bummed (initially) when I finally see your face because I have this thing where I don't like to see the faces of people who inspire me... 🤷🏾‍♂️ since most of the time, seeing their faces would sometimes f-up this imagination I have of them. However, I'd say now that I've put a face to DFT.. you don't disappoint Sir 🫡. That beard and look just drives home for the "yup, this guy's one of those wizards" believe I have of you. Hehehe I subbboood 🤘

[@Sam_Bent]

Haha, glad I didn’t disappoint! I get it, sometimes the mystery adds to the magic, but we’re all in this together, faces and all. Thanks for the sub and for joining the ride-wizard or not, we’ve got work to do!

[@anon1937]

#FreePavel