Terminator: Fate of the Machine (Whole franchise review)

[@AL-ud2is]

"It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear".... but it can do you a cracking deal on a killer set of drapes.

[@LapisAndroid17ParkRanger]

Lol

[@peacemaster8117]

"It doesn't feel remorse, unless it completes its mission and then you leave it alone for 30 years. After that it starts feeling remorse for some reason."

[@georgechapman9688]

@@peacemaster8117 it'd be a dumbass computer if after 30 years it still had no purpose. Idk a thinking computer might have a tiny bit of character growth after 30 freakin years

[@georgechapman9688]

@Time Lord maybe it is possible but over time, he wasn't lowering himself into molten steel after 3 days but he was willing to sacrifice himself after 30 years.probably uncharted ground for a terminator to be functioning for so long out from under skynet

[@skrotosd]

Time Lord skynet learned that read omly terminator are easily killed in the 900 series, by the time of the t1000 they were all back to read and write, the t2 Arnie was an old model stolen from skynet.

[@rockybalboa6433]

I think you're the first person I've seen who probably enjoyed Salvation almost as much as I did. I'm comforted in knowing they're for very similar reasons, too.

[@jtb32k]

It started strong enough.

[@vietnamd0820]

rocky balboa I’ve seen Dark Fate and it’s pretty bad...Salvation is still the best Terminator film after T2

[@sleazyfellow]

Salvations best part was fake Arnold which stops after 20 seconds. Also, t-800 has Connor in it's grasp only to......throw him around the room. Repeatedly. If the terminator from the first film was in it, Connor would of had his heart outside his body in a few seconds.

[@Dahni555]

I really like it also but it ends badly.

[@DeathBaseTURBO]

I wouldn't say it ended badly, it certainly wasn't the best and felt like a kind of throw away but we got a comic book sequel at least tieing up the ends

[@dragunov815]

Interesting perspective. The main thing that REALLY bugs me about the new Terminator film is what happened to John Connor. It just doesn't feel right.

[@jimofthenorth8090]

Haven't seen it yet, but they kill him off screen don't they? That's what I heard. If true that's a total shite move by Cameron after he bitched so much about Hicks & Newt being killed in between Aliens and Alien 3.

[@Rossatron]

They don't do it off screen (it's surprisingly vicious), and frankly I found it worked for me, but then I like the Alien 3 move.

[@JnEricsonx]

@@Rossatron God that pissed me off as a kid.

[@fnordiumendures138]

I'm not emotionally invested in John Connor, but I don't see how they can first go "Connor is All Important" and then go "Never mind Connor, New Girl is All Important" and retain their credibility. The whole franchise hinges on the idea that one single person will change the future, and therefore going back in time and killing that person makes perfect sense to the bad guys. If all of that doesn't matter, the basic story doesn't matter.

[@jimofthenorth8090]

@@Rossatron ah ok, I'm intrigued. I've watched a couple of reviews and not one has mentioned John which struck me as very odd considering his importance. And yeah I liked Alien 3 too. For me it reinforces the idea that the universe just has it in for Ripley, despite all her best efforts she can't catch a break.

[@gbenselum]

if they make a 4 hour T2 cut, it will still feel intense

[@SpockBorg5]

If you watch this movie enough times you'll start to notice the flaws

[@n7reject993]

I disagree. While I do think that the version with the alternate ending is superior simply for the fact that it presents an ending that can give proper closure to anyone who doesn't want to consider the senseless garbage that came after to be canon, it is still very slow in pacing. Me and my brother watched this version and were shocked just by how slow the pacing actually was. Once the film reached Its halfway point, it felt like an hour before we actually saw the T-1000 again.

[@FilmFightFanatic]

I honestly thought the character Marcus in salvation was one of the more original narrative points of the movie. Terminator 3's T-X was basically a hybrid of the original T-800 and the T-1000 with some built-in weapons. But Marcus unknowingly being a terminator brought a more interesting conflict to the recurring theme of the supposed binary and potential reconciliation between man and machine.

[@engage1942]

But the execution could have been better...

[@MarkyMatey]

I didn't find the T800 being a good guy a mistake since it gives us an even terrifying villain T1000.

[@vietnamd0820]

Jimmy Parker Agreed...the T1000 is equally or perhaps even more frightening than the Arnold terminator from the first film

[@goodnesswhy]

I disagree. The T-800 from the first film is creepier and menacing. But visually, I honestly think the T-600 from Salvation is the creepiest Terminator because of its rubber skin and when damaged, it looks like a zombie.

[@zyriuz2]

Tbh i think people considers making t800 good guy a mistake because the t1000 is just too good! I mean there simply no way to match a villain like that t1000 is more menacing because its effective and is unstoppable, even tho t800 is more brutal in its killings and more creepy in its interactions with humans while the t1000 is more smart and knows how to talk to humans and even interact with kids. Theres surely a trade off between menace n efficiency for creepyness and horror. None of the sequels effectively tops t1000 but if i had to pick one it would be tX from t3 she is menacing but is ultimately played down as shes not efficient enough and wastes time enlarging her boobs for a cop instead of hunting down john connor...

[@robdcollector2808]

Jimmy Parker ...with un-original ideas in the so called franchise...whats next a hero T-1000???

[@MarkyMatey]

@@robdcollector2808 It's why they ended it after T2

[@XerxesCortez]

My take on the first Terminator is this... it’s parallel stories of both sides of the war using time travel to create themselves. Kyle thinks his mission is to protect Sarah but really it is to father John. The T-800, on paper, is supposed to kill Sarah, but really, it’s main purpose is to get destroyed at Cyberdyne and leave behind the arm and the chip; essentially fathering SkyNet. I believe there’s a deleted scene that has the reveal that the factory was Cyberdyne and that they found the remains of the Terminator which is amazing to think that Cameron had that piece of lore already established from the beginning.

[@discardmyfriends]

It's an endless loop

[@XerxesCortez]

@@discardmyfriends Exactly. What's trippy is that without the Terminator, Kyle and Sarah don't fall in love and John doesn't exist and without Sarah killing the Terminator in the factory, SkyNet doesn't exist.

[@engage1942]

Exactly! And that deleted scene is present on KZbin

[@Hadras7094]

I think it's this one you mean kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIrOc4Z8gKh3pck

[@redjirachi1]

Skynet is never made aware that it and Connor are part of a bootstrap paradox. If it knew it would've acted different to make sure it gets rid of Connor without accidentally unmaking itself

[@NotQuiteFirst]

9:34 Rossatron always sneaking in those slick edits 👌

[@elstevobevo]

That was some scary looking muddy water. 😬

[@helenomstreken7577]

I was just about to comment on that exact moment. Its such great editing!

[@truthoftheuniverse4179]

terminator...trump,,,,fate

[@Vaultboy101]

And again at 14:47. John Connor looking at John Connor.

[@NotQuiteFirst]

@@Vaultboy101 Also the stick strike at 11:30 closely followed by the kick out the window, and the gunshot to transition from talking about T2 to T3 at 11:39. He sure likes his match cuts

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

T2 is like the Empire Strikes back of its franchise.

[@TomMilleyMusic]

@Rob GThey mean that it's considered the strongest film in the series lol

[@HarpoTheVillain]

And Dark Fate is the The Last Jedi

[@georgechapman9688]

@@HarpoTheVillain it's the force awakens - but what would have happened if Han Solo had died in the beginning. The last jedi is drinking green milk bad, cringey shoe-horned love story bad, waste of a great potential arc bad, stupid unnecessary side quest bad and completely dumb looking effects of Leia just pulling the force out of her ass to get herself back on the ship bad. In short, nothing in dark fate was as bad as that.

[@HarpoTheVillain]

@@georgechapman9688 The Last Jedi killed Star Wars for me, the same way Dark Fate killed Terminator for me. I'm done.

[@paulm3072]

Dark Fate is Return of the Jedi.

[@jacksonseagraves6071]

You could litterally watch these videos with the sound off and just be memorized by the editing alone.

[@GenMVeers]

All hail RossaTron-800 :)

[@VenusHeadTrap2]

There's some typos there Jackson but we get your point.

[@IowanLawman]

"How does it feel to have lived long enough to see all your favourite film series destroyed?" ~ Rich Evans, circa 2017

[@frankvizen5480]

100% agreed. From Star Wars to Terminator to every slasher flick and even batman. It's all garbage now.

[@vietnamd0820]

Frank Vizen Don’t forget Alien and Predator

[@livelife4928]

@@frankvizen5480 Actually it isn't

[@livelife4928]

@@frankvizen5480 The good films still exist and they forever will

[@bassplayer807]

Frank Vizen I don’t buy it, Star Wars 7 & 8 both made over $1B off of a $200M budget they both did Box Office wonders, so no the franchise wasn’t destroyed if it was we wouldn’t be getting more movies after Episode IX, and Disney’s streaming service wouldn’t have greenlit the Mandalorian, oh not to mention the new game out next month

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

We need a Terminator film set in the future scenes of T1 and T2... skulls for a landscape, the tanks, the Hunter-Killer craft, purple lasers, energy rifles.... and John Connor leading the resistance (basically what Salvation should have been).

[@loose-hotline5026]

The future wars in t1-2 are set in 2029 salvation was 2018 and was supposed to be a trilogy that would’ve built up to it

[@JoeyJoeJoe87]

​@@loose-hotline5026 thank you, exactly this. It baffles me how ignorant so many people who say the same as that guy. It was intended as a trilogy, which, if made we would have films set in those future scenes

[@babsrahman]

The Terminator is one of those films I'll never tire of.

[@TheLVJ]

You've really outdone yourself with some of the slickest cuts and edits I've seen in a while!

[@intellectic9155]

I'm old enough to remember When this shit first dropped and I can tell you unequivocally that the T800 being the protector surprised everyone. Regardless of the "Bad To The Bone" choice.

[@RobDaCajun]

inteLLectic yes, the promotion of T2 was very careful not to spoil that twist.

[@bennyhoward1391]

I was born long after the film came out but didn’t the trailers and promotional trailers Ruin the surprise

[@BusinessOfFear]

@@bennyhoward1391 The trailers did spoil it

[@intellectic9155]

@@BusinessOfFear While that is true this was before the internet also. Back when trailers weren't seen by everyone.

[@typhoon3872]

Exactly

[@xscythe67]

Will never consider Dark Fate as a true "direct sequel" to T2, but rather an alternate timeline sequel.

[@maggieb369]

Terminator 2 was one of the best films I ever saw and re watched many times. It will always be fresh

[@jeffwalker6815]

I'll admit that T2 is in many ways superior but the first one was PERFECT. Smaller, more self contained but flawless.

[@nathanknight848]

No not flawless. The effects in the eye scene and Kyle not telling sarah the Terminator would've killed her mother was dumb she stupidly called home leading the Terminator to where they are.... Love the film but T2 is far superior.

[@jeffwalker6815]

@@nathanknight848 No, I liked those parts. Flawless!

[@Darion350]

@@nathanknight848 While the special effects weren't amazing, what they did was convey how T-800 was covered in flesh so much better than the CGI-fest we got in subsequent movies. The original Terminator showed the T-800's flesh as something it actually lived inside and was damaged realistically, showing blood and gooey eyeballs. Nowadays they just delete parts of the flesh to show the T-800 without any real thought how the rest of the flesh would react or how bloody it would be. It became more of a gimmick and basically only serves to give a T-800 reveal scene instead of allowing the flesh to creep you out as it decays and becomes damaged over the course of the movie. I get they already went through all that in the original Terminator, but it really drew you into the creepy world of a flesh-covered death machine.

[@engage1942]

@@Darion350 yep.

[@jovanjorgovan23]

Except special effects in some parts there is nothing in T2 that is superior to the original.

[@Sheepy007]

I believe the Terminator series should have always been 1, 2 with 3s Ending and a post judgement day film like salvation (but not salvation) creating a perfect narrative loop where each movie is both prequel and sequel to one another and where the lack of knowledge to the events trying to prevent them, became the catalyst that actually started them.

[@bassplayer807]

But then wouldn’t we need a Cinematic Universe like what Marvel has created but for the Terminator Franchise?

[@gwapoo]

i enjoyed the t1 t2 t3 and t4. because there is a consistency in continuity of story and timeline. after the 4th film, it all went downhill

[@xscythe67]

Finally, someone else who understands and enjoys the first 4 films, and its delicate balance on consistency.

[@markaguilar1215]

@@xscythe67 I totally agree with both of you' truly at least t1,t2,t3 and t4 films were at least cannon and connected to each other

[@lukegray5528]

Completely agree

[@peacemaster8117]

"They don't want to undo the second film's ending" ??? I just got out of Terminator Dark Fate, and I hate to be the bearer of bad news but that's exactly what they did. I'm confused how you came away with this impression.

[@georgechapman9688]

Skynet is gone, JC technically beats it and wasn't terminated by the T1000. Soooo no they didn't undo the ending

[@peacemaster8117]

​@@georgechapman9688 "They didn't undo the ending, they just killed off the kid the T1000 was trying to kill and then an AI identical to Skynet did the exact same thing Skynet was gonna do" Riiiiight.

[@infinitsai]

@@peacemaster8117 I think its a fine concept when you really think about the relationship between JC and skynet, their fate are tangled in a way that they basically created each other by trying to terminate them, so i'm fine that if one of them is gone, the universe wouldn't want the other to exist. Sure it could be done better, but its fine

[@michaelrodriguez470]

@@infinitsai Maybe it's fine, but a Future War movie would be so much better. Clearly most people aren't interested in yet another rehash of T2.

[@infinitsai]

@@michaelrodriguez470 The real problem is all the planned sequel conundrums, making a future war movie would mark the definitive end of the series instead of a series with infinite potentials.

[@foxxtail06]

"Protect my Sarah" really got me when I first saw that

[@Vaultboy101]

Get to my Sarah!!!

[@Dock76]

I cringed in all honesty.

[@jamiemuddmahon]

If you liked “Protect my Sarah”, you’re gonna love “For John”.

[@jamiemuddmahon]

@Go Time Now, yeah no more T800s (or T1000s). Just REV9s. Cheque please.

[@jamiemuddmahon]

Lol yeah. It’s like when they killed Frodo in Lord of the Rings 3; or when they killed Marty McFly in Back to the Future 3; or when they killed Mahoney in Police Academy 5. Oh wait a minute... no they did not! Goddam idiots.

[@cvzanikos1]

Salvation was great. They should have never given up on it.

[@TheRealSephiroth]

Yeah it was supposed to start a new triligy but it fell through then genesys was doing that it failed and now dark fate is a thing and from what i gather it also failed.

[@xiaural2]

Sarah/Linda Hamilton was the innocence in the Terminator but Reese/Michael Biehn was the heart. I remember just crumbling as a kid when I realized he died. The movie wouldn't have been what it was without his amazing performance.

[@tylerkeller8869]

I fully agree. The music for T2, especially Guns 'N' Roses involvement with "You Could Be Mine"... fucking awesome. I love every minute of it, still to this day.

[@TGNXAR]

They didn't make a Terminator movie after Terminator 2. Change my mind.

[@SolidPain6624]

I like to think this way too. It helps me sleep at night!

[@DemonDethchase]

I think to give Genesys some reason for existing have it be like a interlude between the first two movies by just using the opening, where John and the resistance smash Skynet. However, instead of sending Kyle back they send the reprogrammed T-800 back through time, to 1995. The short ends setting-up T2 where the loop closes.

[@WesternXC]

They didn’t make a Terminator movie after Terminator 3. DONT change my mind.

[@nathanknight848]

@@WesternXC You mean T2 T3 was a pile of shit

[@vietnamd0820]

John Kek Not only will I not change your mind, you’ve changed my mind...nothing exists after T2...yes, it feels good saying it

[@ironlungs599]

All I wanted was a Terminator movie where Furlong is leading the resistance, finally defeating Skynet and saving humanity.

[@georgechapman9688]

Furlong? That ship sailed, came back to pick up something then sailed again.

[@ironlungs599]

@George Chapman No Shit

[@RawbeardX]

the first chicken hatched from an egg from a proto-chicken. so the egg was first.

[@MatiZ815]

YES. I always say that: chicken wasn't the first animal to lay eggs.

[@thedokkodoka4349]

@@MatiZ815 yep

[@Bonko78]

Sure, the _concept_ of an egg is applicable earlier than the concept of a chicken, but that's probably not the purpose of the phrase. It's philosophical in an evolutionary sense --- it necessarily ends in an infinite regress or a situation where one must play by different rules than the other as a prototype. Neither is a logically appealing answer.

[@RawbeardX]

yeah, but it still doesn't work, because the answer is simple. :P

[@Bonko78]

@@RawbeardX It's simple if you cheat, yes. ;)

[@willgold9989]

T3 gets a lot of grief but I thought they handled the Judgment Day sequence really well: the music, and John’s voiceover lend a hopeful tone while the most horrifying scenario plays out onscreen. That being said, they should have left it at T2. The deleted scene with old Sarah and her grandchild is as satisfying an ending as one could hope for.

[@GartheKnightReturns]

Terminator Salvation is better than it’s given credit for. But it’s a flawed film. Focused on the wrong elements and should’ve been R rated to explore more adult themes. At least it wasn’t another time travel story and if it had been successful we would’ve got to the purple lasers and what we recognize as the future war.

[@n64danny21]

My biggest problem with Grace is her "upgrades" that enable her to go toe to toe with the Rev 9, becoming more like a machine isn't the solution, the scars on Kyle Reese tragically show us how human he is VS his unstoppable foes, I don't believe humans in the Skynet timeline would be willing to augment themselves to win the war.

[@bassplayer807]

That’s not necessarily true! The I-950 series in the novels were born human but captured by Skynet and upgraded with cybernetics, but Skynet scrapped the program cause they started going rogue and helping the resistance, also Marcus Wright is also a human with enhancements, a cyborg yes, but still human, he still had his human brain, spine, and heart, and that was Skynet, not Legion, Grace reminds me of JAX from mortal combat

[@KevinArdala01]

T1 & T2 are some of my favourite films of all time. One of the main things I appreciate about them, which we virtually do not see today, is the use of special FX to make action and aesthetics look believable; instead, we get cartoonish, physics defying CGI that is largely used to replace character development and decent writing. In my opinion, the only thing the later films have in common with the first two is the brand name, there's little to nothing of substance added, especially in terms of artistry and film making. The Sarah Connor Chronicles, although a different medium, did a far better job. I'd love to see future Terminator films (if we ever get any) treated with the same level of maturity and artistry as they once were, but I can't see that happening as an extension of the most recent instalment.

[@engage1942]

100% agree

[@lol_vevo]

The T-800 killing John Connor on the first 5 minutes is a big FU to the fans of the series. Also, Danny's actress was pretty bad, and the whole "we stopped Skynet but actually it happened all the same with a different name" was crap

[@CapitanJusticia]

Dani was awesome!

[@Horrormaster13]

@lol_vevo 100% agreed.

[@american__chaos]

T1: Great T2: GREAT T3: Ok TS: Actually kinda like it, it was different. TG: Let's not talk about it. TDF: Haven't seen it yet.

[@engage1942]

Have you seen it? Do you wanna talk about it? They say talking is therapeutic, ha-ha

[@youtubevoice1050]

Cameron did not appreciate how Alien 3 unceremoniously killed off the survivors of Aliens. He said something akin to: "You can only hit the audience with a 2 by 4 so many times before they stop caring for these characters". Now he has done the very same thing by making T1 and T2 completely irrelevant. John Connor doesn't matter, Skynet doesn't matter.

[@icecreamisnice117]

Tbh I’m tired of the T1, T2 style chase style film. I just wanna see the future war done right...

[@paulm3072]

Rossatron your narration is FANTASTIC.

[@n64danny21]

I would like to see a video game in the style of alien isolation, but a retelling of the original Terminator.

[@mudkipzuzu]

Or have it be set in the Future war with a fugitive from the Machines, and make it like Resident Evil 7 with a familiar face showing up in the end (Chris Redfield) to save/help the main character (John Connor in this case).

[@horrorpodcast0707]

I‘m always tearing up when Arnold makes up a thumps up when he is emerged in the molten steel. So well done.

[@NitroNEXT]

I adored your retrospective and agreed on pretty much everything, particularly your fair analysis of Salvation (although your opinion on making Arnold a bad guy in T2 is questionable). However, your review of Dark Fate is where you dropped the ball for me. The latest addition is not the film you hype it up to be, it does a disservice to the franchise, in particular; the story that the first two movies told. This movie wanted to be a (woke) modern remake of T2 but it chose to step on the legacy of the first two films in order to do it, completely nullifying the achievements of that film in the opening minutes of the movie. Only T3 comes close to that level of disrespect by killing Sarah Connor offscreen. The only respectful sequel thus far has unfortunately been Salvation.

[@treceslez]

Yeah, both T3 and DF are disrespectful, but people see T3 with better eyes because at least it tried to have some sense of continuity with the previous two movies, following the original story and trying to push it forward. So I get why some people choose T3 over DF. And while Sarah is a very important character, somehow killing John feels more like a slap in the face than killing Sarah because for 4 movies we were reminded of how important John was, even Sarah's character revolved around John, everything was about John even when he was not around, to just suddenly have him killed off like that? And it's not so much that they killed John off what bothered fans, it's the way they did it. If they've had John becoming some sort of mentor/protector for Dani and sacrificing himself to save her at the end of DF people would've accepted it. But I guess having John would've been one too many men in a movie that was supposed to be about "women empowerment", as if women couldn't be powerful with men around. I personally dislike both T3 and DF, although I recognize that DF has some pretty cool action scenes, but that's not enough to make me ignore all the plot inconsistencies (for some people it was enough, tho).

[@connorbrennan4233]

Well done. You show great skill in how you put this retrospective together. The Terminator was my first R-rated movie and it helped shape how I look at blockbuster filmmaking.

[@hermitcard4494]

It's audience and fans' fault for Genysis and Dark Fate: Every time they jump back in time the timeline resets, the series gets rebooted. Terminator Salvation was the perfect opportunity to move on from the same time period. But since audiences and fans didn't like it I guess producers went like "They don't like the new direction into future, lets give then the same period of time", and thus condemned Terminator to Genysis and Dark Fate, and not letting old Arnold go. We should have had a trilogy in the future war machine where even other machines and people from Future participated. And maybe ONE END FOR ALL, machines and men uniting into cyborgs, or something.

[@engage1942]

"and not letting old Arnold go" And the fact that he promises "I'll be back" in every movie doesn't help too :D

[@georgechapman9688]

Fans are fickle because if it's too new it's not enough like what came before, if it's not new enough it's a retread. You're bound to piss off someone no matter what so just make the best you can and if it flops it flops

[@tadpolegaming4510]

Terminator Salvation: The Final Battle ends that way. It's an amazing comic

[@paulm3072]

Incredibly edited. This was the best I have seen.

[@scottpepper7028]

First video I've seen of rossatron, very well put together enough to subscribe anyway.

[@bobbycone2]

Agreed! The music in T2 gives me goosebumps to this day and I'm 38 and have watched it maybe 50+ times. It's absolutely amazing!

[@christianbarbosa1746]

1: Terminator 2: Judgement Day 2: The Terminator 3: Terminator Dark Fate 4: Terminator Salvation 5: Terminator 3 6: Terminator Genisys

[@Fedor_Kisliakov]

The fact that T-800 is the good guy in T2 is telegraphed even without Bad to the Bone. Notice how he does not kill anybody in the bar, even the guy that stabbed him. In the first movie, poor punk got his ribcage ripped through when he stabbed the terminator. T-1000, on the other hand, killed the cop straight away. Pretty clear who is who. I think this franchise should be put to rest. Every sequel after T2 is just an act of necrophilia. Salvation tried a diiferent take on the story, but the script was too weak to deliver anything coherent.

[@dr_mafoony]

The point you made about T1 feeling like a horror/slasher is both something I agree with and something that’s really fascinating to think about when you look at what came after. Like, the slasher villain of the first film essentially becomes the heroic figure of the second and that’s kind of amusing. T1 and T2 are pretty even for me, I love the things both forms do. Whether it’s T1’s smaller scale and more science fiction/horror vibe or T2’s massive scale with a pretty much perfect expansion on the story. I love Robert’s T-1000 but there as always something about the cold and callous nature of the first T-800 that still seems so unnerving.

[@xxxaragon]

to an extent it's more "genuine" than many of the eighties slashers were. who were build around the villains (instead of the heroes) but still had them as the threat.

[@ozzy6771]

14:47 that transition was smooth as silk

[@BadfishHawaii]

dammit rossatron, your commentary is just too spot on, well written sir

[@danzigmcnaniel5226]

I could only watch terminator videos from you and be completely satisfied

[@watchdogsplaythroughs9852]

"Whole franchise review" is a bit much for only two movies.

[@devildavin]

my biggest gripe with Darkfate is the theme of "choose your own fate" when clearly the movie is saying fate is already written

[@georgechapman9688]

It's choosing to run and die or fight back for a chance to live. T2 proved fate can be changed and knowing that grace will die if the time machine gets created gives someone the option of saving her.

[@devildavin]

@@georgechapman9688 the movie existing proves the whole thing wrong, Sarah and John didn't change their fate, the machines still took over

[@georgechapman9688]

@@devildavin I credit that to how they changed their fate-people didn't get the why of their actions in T2, just a group of people blowing up a research place. If they'd done what they did with Dyson but on a bigger scale to convince people of what was coming well... But I also thought that was a good point in the film that machines took over because it kind of proves the line of no fate but what we make for ourselves but by we it's humanity not JC. It's inevitable as long as the protagonists let it happen.

[@GarfieldRex]

We aren't watching a video, but a film documentary 11:37.

[@Flaris]

Real shame how this franchise cratered over time. After T2 they just didn't know what to do anymore. It's funny how Salvation was the best direction the franchise could go in, but they abandoned that concept pretty fast. But the last two movies have been them trying basically the same thing and having it flop. Dark Fate may have truly killed the franchise this time and that's probably a good thing. The characters of the first two movies deserved more respect than they got and finally they can rest.

[@jediknightjairinaiki560]

I know I'm in the minority but I LOVE "Terminator Genisys".

[@aidanpurkiss9457]

Me too and dark fate

[@danielsiljeholm]

@@aidanpurkiss9457 Genisys i can see. But Dark Fate suck so hard. A waste of time.

[@aidanpurkiss9457]

@Daniel Siljeholm not for me, though

[@nosidezero]

Rossatron still undefeated with those edits

[@Gonboo]

Just give us the Future War and put the franchise to bed. The series has ignored the horror and bleak, almost pessimistic view of the future and where mankind is ultimately headed (it's extinction by its own hand).

[@engage1942]

Yes please. I'm reading comment on Dark Fate the whole evening. And there's alot about Future War. Let's hope the moviemakers will hear us

[@georgechapman9688]

But if it is a future war, don't make it all grey and brown like Salvation. More of a T2 colour palette would be better

[@J-S.P]

@@georgechapman9688 and The Terminator

[@J-S.P]

Actually if you want that play Terminator: Resistance. The graphics aren't the greatest, but the setting and aesthetic are very similar to the first 2 films. It's the closest thing to a proper Terminator 3 that James Cameron should've made in the 90s.

[@hafizuien]

You sum it up beautifully..I almost brought tears to my eyes..and I realized I take Terminator for granted...

[@MutualZebra0123]

The first 2 are the only ones worth rewatching. T2 alternate ending would have been a nice ending if they wanted to stop when the franchise was great.

[@llaauuddrruupp]

One of the many things especially good about T2 is the use of short snippets of music no longer than a single edit. Particularly during the bike/truck chase scene, these are used so well!

[@paulstaker8861]

I think sequels are dead the moment Jim Cameron decided that the humans "won" against the machines in the future in T1. And now we have a copy-paste Skynet called Legion just because of that line.

[@IoFoxdale]

Paul Staker I actually deeply adored the sheer tragedy of it. The second time travel exists and machines can win *it will never stop*. Doesn’t matter what form it has, what name it uses. The machine has won because mankind will keep building them. Sarah Connor’s trauma and tragedy are intensely painful and dramatic but also about as meaningful as throwing a handful of sand against the tide.

[@entertainmentwizard2703]

I have a feeling you will be one of the few that will forgive the opening of Dark Faith while the rest of us won't!

[@bassplayer807]

Dude most people who have seen it forgave it, get over John Connor’s story!

[@entertainmentwizard2703]

@@bassplayer807 Not really most who have scene it hate it!

[@JM-cf8zy]

Wasnt bothered sick of john Connors predictable boring story arc.

[@THE_BEAR_JEW]

Imo the huge misstep in the franchise was Genisys and then Dark Fate doubled down on that. T1-Salvation at least made sense. They moved chronologically and the story progression is what I always wanted, a buildup to the war with John Connor as the leader of the Resistance. Genisys and Dark Fate are just horrible soft reboots that shouldn't have been made.

[@citizenVader]

I clearly remember the premiere back in the 80ies. Saw it twice in the cinema and was under age by 2 years, but still couldn't get enough.

[@mr.shyryhud1659]

I probably like Salvation more than most but at least it isn’t a rehash that 3 and Genesys are.

[@Rossatron]

I also think Marcus was an interesting character. The Bioshock-esque twist didnt work so well for me but the ambition was there.

[@mr.shyryhud1659]

@@Rossatron I almost wish we got another movie set during the war. I still think it has some potential.

[@vietnamd0820]

Mr. ShyRyHud And now Dark Fate is another rehash

[@christianguerrero70]

T2 T1 Salvation T3.. Those other two can go fuck themselves.

[@Phoenix2312]

19 Minutes in to your video - I always love your videos by the way, so in depth and give me a new appreciation for some of my favourite films... and even films I previously hated - and nothing I can disagree with! I actually really liked Terminator Salvation, The let down for me was the Marcus Storyline and the inevitable "We need to get Arnie in there somewhere" trope that has become in my view a bane of the series... The annoying part about the Marcus Storyarc is that it COULD HAVE BEEN EPIC... I have said this many times in reviews about Salvation, but it borrowed ideas directly form the Dark Horse Comics - And I stress BORROWED as they clearly tried to put enough distance so as not to be sued for Copyright (They should just have asked... The Dark Horse Comics were EXCELLENT!) - but would not commit, and instead tried to make it seem like a new idea... A Terminator with a Heart, A Terminator that was actually HUMAN! Ripped straight from Dark Horse! There were many great ideas in Salvation, Hence I still do enjoy it and even though I take the piss and call it SALIVATION... Truth is I think its a bloody good movie, just let down by a few bad ideas and an over-reliance on playing to fan service... Then came Genysis! And WOAH BOY! I do like it for what it is... I look at it as more of a Comedy than a Serious entry because it is just all over the place!!! EDIT: Got to the end of your video... And yeah, You seem to have hit on the same issue I have... There seems to be a bit too much reliance on Fan Service - Too much focus on what is perceived to be the selling point of Hamilton, Arnie and Connor... I like the fact that Dark Fate tries to move it on - I have yet to see the movie, I am actually hopeful - I feel it has to move on and adapt, change and evolve... It needs to become new and improved - It cannot stick to a story that has already been told over and over and over, John Connor Vs The Machines! Its own story makes that impossible but I feel Studios and Fans often fail to grasp that! I am pleased that YOU clearly do see this... And I agree 100% with your final thoughts! Oh, Just as a final note... @Rossatron, I do not know which Studio released Dark Fate, but they should pay you for the BEST PIECE OF ADVERTISING the Film has had so far! I was actually going to wait until the DVD release, or even find a Pirate copy - But now I am actually going to put my butt in a Cinema Seat... As you have gave me hope!

[@Eamonshort1]

Mainly just a comment to boost you in the algorithm however can I just say out of all the top tier video essayists I watch you by far have the most impressive and legitimately professional editing also would you consider doing a live stream so I can donate in super chat I don't have much money for a regular patreon donation but I could do a one of donation of 3 or 5 dollars

[@Rossatron]

I am a professional editor in addition to KZbin so that tracks! And that's kind of you to say. I'm toying with some form of film based live stream but I don't know if it is for me.

[@Eamonshort1]

@@Rossatron or you could do the live premier for your video, because I can make a superchat donation through that as well

[@commentcopbadge6665]

Michael Biehn. What a fuckin' legend. His performance here is perfectly praised so I'm going for the one that I didn't fully appreciate immediately. It took years, perhaps over a decade after I first watched the film, later that I began to praise the "Johnny Ringo" portrayal in Tombstone. That movie is so good that I only appreciated watching scenes through the years and then later I finally started paying attention to the overall. What I realized, Johnny Ringo in Tombstone basically scares me. Val Kilmer's "Doc Holiday" steals the scene evrytime he's on screen of course but Ringo is psychotically scary.

[@theitalianalien8477]

when I watched t2 for the first time, I thought Arnie was the villain and the robocop (sorry for the pun) was the protector

[@selectedjustin10]

16:44 I was really enjoying the video, and when 16:44 hit, I was like “I respect this man” and subscribed. That transition was beautiful. It honestly put me to the feels.

[@Rossatron]

That was personally my favourite edit too

[@TroaBarton]

18:15 “Why did you say that name?!” Hahahahahahahaha!

[@knickknackpattywack]

That transition at 11:40 is damn brilliant

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

I also enjoyed Dark Fate, it's not a good movie, but it was at least fun. Arnold and Linda Hamilton were really good in it.

[@franzpattison]

28:54 "I'm done. Runneen. I'm gonast hand! Anfite!" (A+++ delivery)

[@muereteflanders]

Thanks for puting so much passion into these videos. They are amazing!

[@elpoturu]

T3s ending blew my fking mind when I saw it in theaters, I was like 11 or 12 and coiuld not believe it, I was so hyped for T4...and oh well

[@thespiritualwar9982]

the most beatifull thing about the Original is that it is not only an action SF movie, but more a love story between 2 people in exeptional situations witch gave birth to the leader of the resistance. ''if he would not have been sent back in time, then there was no john conner'' beautifful!!

[@A55TRICKY]

I've always gotten the same eye roll feeling from the evolution of the terminator and the evolution of the light saber. Something so perfect from the start that every improvement makes it less perfect.

[@stephenturner3291]

All of the terminator movies are very dark, and yet has this beauty and artistry that's never been duplicated by any other franchise. I appreciate the art and effects of all these movies 😊

[@pigboykool]

It should have ended at T2. With a perfect ending

[@bullrun2772]

Nope

[@Horrormaster13]

@pigboykool 100% agreed.

[@JohnSmith-jn7nc]

T3 should've got a villain that is a hybrid of T-800 and T-1000. That could've been the most logical step foward for a villain. Basically an endo covered with liquid metal. I know that T-X and Rev-9 are something like that but they had different endos and some other functions.

[@2sallads]

They should have never made these films and killing John Conor was the biggest mistake. Glad I didn't watch it. Overly cgi with redundant judgement day 2

[@engage1942]

Cgi was bad. The terminator was not looking as menacing. .. I felt bad about the movie as soon as I seen the cgi

[@robinanwaldt]

CptEngage The CGI in Dark Fate was amazing. All the way from the de-aging at the beginning. But I would agree that there was still an over-reliance on it.

[@STRANGExDAYSx]

T2 was so powerful to me when I was young. I felt like I lived the events in the movie, even when the movie was over and I was leaving the theater.

[@bretthibbs6083]

Same with me I was 17 when the movie came out I walked out of the theater just stunned.

[@AdamJorgensen]

In my universe, Terminator 2 was a critical failure and no sequels were ever made. It wen't on to become a cult classic though. James Cameron changed careers and never made dreck like Avatar. All in all, I like my universe :-)

[@joshmciver4847]

so you never got True Lies, Titanic, or Avatar. shame...

[@Stefan_Gerards]

while i love every entry in the franchise, for me it would be: 7. Terminator: Salvation 6. Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles 5. Terminator: Genisys 4. Terminator: Dark Fate 3. Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines 2. The Terminator 1. Terminator 2: Judgment Day

[@gin.590]

Uhhhh...wow...

[@o.g.millennials]

It's fate is doom.

[@plisskenetic]

Brilliant video. U seriously should be hired to do some film historian video-essays. Your one for Predator is amazingly well put together and narrated.

[@footbroke]

I would've preferred they made a sequel to Genesys more than them just saying "Fuck it, reboot it again." For as lackluster as Genesys was, I would've liked to see them redeem themselves with a better sequel that developed on the story they were setting up. Who sent the T800 back? Was it Skynet developing some humanity or regretting its decisions? I would've rather they develop that into a better sequel than just scrapping it for another lackluster reboot. It's a shame we'll never know where they were going with that. I would've liked to see that even though Genesys wasn't that good itself.

[@engage1942]

I feel the same about Salvation

[@spacecop9500]

I really love your movie to movie transitions, top tier editing.

[@ConnorMcCartney95]

I thought Nick Stahl was quite good, he's a really underrated actor.

[@robdcollector2808]

Connor McCartney ..what other movies has he done??

[@ConnorMcCartney95]

@@robdcollector2808 Sin City and Bully

[@ConnorMcCartney95]

@@robdcollector2808 he in Carnivale as well

[@josephsawyer3982]

Thank you. I been saying for years the only good about the third one is it was just getting John to survive thru judgment day so he can become who he was meant to be. That judgment day was inevitable

[@Chopperwocky]

There was The Terminator. Then there was Terminator 2... ...END OF FRANCHISE.

[@christianguerrero70]

Stop overexaggerating? 3 and salvation arent that bad. They're masterpieces compared to genesis and dark fate.

[@spcsongparodycentral4612]

@@christianguerrero70 you sir are awesome. I've been telling everyone that t3 and t4 are not perfect but are still great! I even thought t6 was ok??? (4/10). The only terminator movie that was absolute shit was genysis. Why? Casting. Anyways those aren't bad movies and this is the only comment i've ever found that thought t3 and t4 were alright or even good.

[@Mintcar923]

T1-Very great T2-Great T3-Good T4-Very good.. The other two well I’ll just be nice and say simply non canon just for fun

[@defvent]

22:20 the golden gate bridge sequence is cut together perfectly. A lot of movies do the obligatory bridge disaster sequence.

[@kylereiner3193]

I still think the first movie is the best one, everything else just relegates him to a sidekick.

[@ChiefBrodyRules]

The edits omg

[@edwardelric603]

Dark Fate is a disgrace

[@bruhfvdf3145]

i was so confused when Arnie told John to get down. now i have no idea how i didn't see it. fantastic reveal

[@DTyrannosaurus]

A big problem with the franchise was that after the first "Terminator," Arnie would never again play a "bad guy." It's a shame, because he was really good at it.

[@AndreThisIsTheWay]

This is a great overview of the franchise. I really enjoyed your work on this one. Thanks