Tesla & EVs Are In Trouble

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[@henrylopez3479]

Somewhere in Tokyo, Toyotas CEO is raising a glass to himself for being purposely slow to the party.

[@3103frank]

Haha yes! 🙌🏻

[@ozanbaskan5524]

Japanese are brilliant. They had Prius quality for so long.. They know better.

[@privacylock855]

Everyone else went to the wrong address

[@alex1vid]

Who knew that charging 60k for a Kia impact EV would be an issue? 😂 Because EVERYBODY can buy a 60k vehicle.

[@jcwatts5000]

Toyota haha how about honda they just started to development and research new ev platform for there brand

[@Michael-ll8sh]

The only thing faster than an EVs acceleration is it's depreciation....

[@jstar1000]

My Tesla is 5 years old and still worth right about 50% of what I paid for it. I've looked at what Tesla sells similar used ones for so that is where I'm getting that info. I would argue that amount of depreciation is typical for a $50k to $60k vehicle. Hell a BMW, Volkswagen, Mercedes, Jag are worse I would bet. I have probably saved a few thousand dollars in fuel over that time too so its pretty much in my favor I would argue but I'm not selling it for at least another 5 years and probably wont then either, its paid for and cost me pennies to drive each month now like between $60 to $80 a month. I would be stupid to sell it at this point and it drives as good as the day I bought it, never have any issues with it and it gets updated features it didn't come with when I bought it with over the air updates a good 3 times a year. To me its a no brainer, my Gas and diesel trucks sit and rarely get used. I have to go charge the batteries they sit so much.

[@DerekDavis213]

And when newer much better batteries are available in the near future, older primitive EVs will plunge in value.

[@jstar1000]

@@DerekDavis213 What like all vehicles do? Your a genius. I guess that means you can buy a super cheap EV and drive for $60 a month or less to charge it for your commuter car, sounds like a win to me.

[@pcwcol]

@@DerekDavis213 As the technology matures, I would expect low cost latest generation replacement battery modules to become available.

[@DerekDavis213]

@@jstar1000 A super cheap Tesla is still at least $35k USD. And many people have short commutes where gasoline vs EV doesn't make much difference.

[@williamosgood3565]

The early adopters have bought their EV. Now the manufacturers have to sell to the unconvinced masses.

[@joeking433]

Yeah, I told my wife I was thinking of getting a Tesla and she said she would never, never, never, ever drive it! LOL!

[@asleytamkei7507]

Excellent point of view?🤗

[@doggy911]

@@joeking433my wife said the same thing about my EV a year ago, now I can’t get her out of it.

[@snakedog77]

@@doggy911 My wife has a 2021 EV. We live in California. Gas is almost 6 bucks a gallon. We love her electric car. Hater are going to hate.

[@DerekDavis213]

And giving a buggy Level 2 FSD to the masses, is not going to help. It does well 95 percent of the time. Then it goes off the rails.

[@martinsbriglio8948]

The government should not be telling people what to drive .

[@EMichaelBall]

The market on its own will eventually demand EV. Tony Seba knows how it will happen: make EV batteries so cheap that it undercuts gas cars. Oil companies will switch their pumps to electric. In the EU, it’s already beginning.

[@Spideynw]

@@EMichaelBall You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Batteries are not tech like computer chips.

[@Pernection]

@@EMichaelBall Do you think we want electric motorcycles?

[@ironclaw6969]

@@EMichaelBallThe market will make that switch when EV's are actually a better choice. Right now, they're not for most folks and even the government can't dictate otherwise. When they don't suck, people will buy EV's

[@pcwcol]

@@Spideynw Prices of Lithium batteries have fallen by more than a factor of 5 in the last 10 years, they are 100% tech (This will be even more apparent as cells with alternate more plentiful materials like Sodium become mainstream)

[@jf_knows_nothing]

No house…no EV. I imagine it’s a huge pain without a decent place to charge it.

[@bluestonemetallic7]

…imagine living at those really old buildings in NYC….it’s not gonna happen charging EVs.

[@wifiunove1650]

Im afraid of owning an expensive car in nyc ​@bluestonemetallic7

[@The1Mischief]

I found out recently some people are using light bulb adapters to level 1 charge (120v). Free charge if it's on the street 😂

[@jf_knows_nothing]

@@The1Mischief that’s wild. I know a guy who parks in tons of wild spots far from where he’s going just to charge his EV. Then he bikes to the spot he’s actually going too. It’s honestly a wild way to live but apparently he saves a lot on gas I guess.

[@DerekDavis213]

If you can't charge at home with 240 volts, don't get an EV. 100 million people live in apartments, in America. They have zero interest in an EV that lacks a dashboard (Tesla).

[@ottomusprime5028]

My gal worked at rivian for all of 6 weeks, then was RIF’d (reduction in force). She worked finance and would tell me about the crazy money they’d throw all around without thought. Yeah, I bet they’ll go under.

[@LuckyLopez777]

wow. thanks for sharing

[@s99614]

How many shares of Rivian have you shorted?

[@PonziZombieKiller]

Easy to spend someone else's money. Sadly for us poor peeps we suffer the taxes to pay off the debt and the inflationary effects due to that debt. It was one hell of a scam. Now the chickens are home to roost.😮

[@saulpulido9937]

​@@AnimationByDylanI believe you are correct. I will short Rivian's stock late thus summer.

[@JJ-mh3hb]

Easier to throw around not your money

[@mbutungubu5629]

The scary thing is how many manufacturers jumped on the EV bandwagon without taking a look at the infrastructure and economic climate, and now have thousands of these things sitting on lots (Here's to you, Mustang Mach-e)

[@brucey5585]

I remember when toyota said that hybrid is the future not EV and US auto laugh at them. Now, toyota cant make enough hybrid to satisfy the buyers.

[@oleradiodudea.m.4735]

The Mean Green nut crowd in D.C. forced it.

[@SuperJack-Jack]

That's politics baby

[@JackMehoff-iq5he]

They did not care. The government incentives were too great to overlook

[@kitsune303]

What do you call a Ford Lightning or Mach E owner in a blizzard? A pedestrian!

[@kevinbarry71]

Rivian Loses something like $35,000 on every car they sell. The only reason they are still in business is they manage to get a lot of cash in the beginning. It's going straight down the toilet.

[@user-xh2ex7bx4b]

They will go the way of Fisker within 2 years...burn rate too high and sales too low.

[@Rusty_Shackleford099]

Yep. And when the inevitable happens, anyone who bought a car from them will have a very expensive lawn ornament. It will be a sad sight to see for sure.

[@ronlee9984]

You need to understand basic economics. As for the supposed $35,000 loss per vehicle, they will make it up on volume. Yes that is sarcasm. Hopefully the EV period will crash and burn in a few years. At least end all US regulations that have the effect of forcing them on consumers.

[@Thisishard2333]

I said from the start, Rivian will never make a profit.Stock under 9 a share

[@johnsullivan5101]

That's a shame because they make great trucks.

[@Radioghost717]

EVs are bullshit. I rented an EV on a trip to SoCal. First, it was NOT any cheaper than gas, at least not demonstrably so. Second, the charging stations suck. Can take a long time to get the thing charging, credit card won’t read, app won’t load, etc. Third, obviously, is the length of time it takes to charge. Living in northeast, I’ll never get an EV unless it’s a second or third car. The cold kills the range. Also, up here AND in Cali they tell you to watch your A/C usage because it’s too much of a load on the grid. How can you tell people their air conditioning is a burden on the grid and then tell everyone they should charge their cars on that same grid. Gtfoh

[@joeking433]

If you charge at home you will get a comparable 120 miles to the gallon!

[@EMichaelBall]

The main grid burden is before midnight. You can set a home charger (and often the car) to not start charging until after midnight.

[@Jayplaya95]

Definitely wasn't a tesla 😂then

[@Radioghost717]

@@Jayplaya95 No, it was a polestar. But the EV movement isn’t a Tesla movement. Every brand out there jumped on the EV wagon, the Big 3 are union shops which Tesla isn’t, not good for government support. Also, NADA is very powerful and has relationships with big 3 and not Tesla. Tesla will have the EV market, but EVs will not become the dominant form of transportation.

[@BenCabell]

I drive a Prius Prime and I charge at home your 100% right when you are traveling EV charging is MORE expensive than gas.

[@sprague49]

When I pull into a gas station, the pump sits under a roofed structure, protecting me from the rain and shading me from the sun. If I'm thirsty or hungry I can go inside the store and buy a drink and a snack. I can also use the bathroom before going on my way after a 5 minute fill-up. If I were in an EV, I'd find a charging "station" in the far reaches of some parking lot, out in the open, exposed to the driving rain or blazing sun, no store or bathroom anywhere in sight and instead of a 5 min pit stop, I'm stuck there for god knows how long struggling with apps and connectors and on-board computers trying to link up and talk to each other.... No Thank you.

[@jstar1000]

Not with a Tesla, your totally wrong. They are always in shopping centers or at gas stations and have food and bathrooms close by within easy walking across a parking lot typically at the most, no cover but I charge at home over 90% of the time so its not even close to being an issue for me. The fact that I charge at home and I'm ready to go every morning is a total game changer and overwhelmingly outweighs the rare occasion I charge away from home which in my case has never been any sort of issue.

[@DerekDavis213]

@@jstar1000 If Tesla chargers have no cover, do you think that during a heavy rain, High Voltage + Water is a good thing? NO WAY.

[@jstar1000]

@@DerekDavis213 Super chargers have been all over the US, Canada and Europe since before 2017, you think if it was an issue you wouldn't have heard about it by now? Apparently you have never owned an EV or a Tesla for that matter, the car is pretty smart and it does a system check before it starts charging, if it senses moisture of any kind then it wouldn't start the charging process. Many EVs have charged at super charges in the pouring rain many times, its a non issue.

[@mowcowbell]

Only on road trips would you be outside charging. I'm able to do 99% of the charging for my Tesla in my climate controlled garage. Can you pump gas into your car while parked inside your closed garage?

[@DerekDavis213]

@@mowcowbell 100 million Americans rent, instead of owning a home. They cannot charge at home. Gasoline cars: parts are everywhere, mechanics are everywhere, or you can fix the car yourself. Tech manuals are easily available. Tesla? A very different story.

[@timkis64]

if people dont buy EV's.the mandate is totally unenforcable.take away our cars.we dont go to work, & the governments cant tax the hell out of us. we can tell the government mandates to F.O. they NEED our money.we dont need their sh•t.

[@AJourneyOfYourSoul]

💯

[@raymondreiff8170]

Absolutely couldn't have said it better myself, Yes I own 4 cars so what, Yes I have owned hybrids but I wouldn't be buying EVs any time soon, Why because I live in the upper midwest west it gets WAY too cold for this NONSENSE ❗

[@craigalbritton1]

Been saying this for a few years. My dad was an early adopter with a 2012 Tesla. The only way for ev to catch on is to decrease inconvenience or drastically reduce cost.

[@5818fa1]

This whole green economy is going to be like the housing crises, This is what happens when there is a misallocation of resources. The government never learns this lesson.

[@yelapa999]

On the west coast we are receiving hefty rate increases from utility companies because of existing stress on the grids here with more increases on the horizon. I predict this will become a much bigger news story in the next couple of years, as everyday ratepayers begin to ask questions about their skyrocketing electric bills.

[@Derek8487]

My electric bill went up like 56 percent post covid

[@michaeldwyer977]

So which is it? Is nobody buying evs or are the evs driving up electricity costs?

[@victorrivera5445]

I heard through a friend in the Texas legislature that there is a bill pending that would quadruple the registration fee for all licensed EV's. This would make up for the shortfall in road maintenance revenue because EV's don't pay state tax on gasoline.

[@rustybumperclassics6342]

It would be so funny if the manufacturers just said, "ok we aren't making anymore EVs, only hybrids". What would the govt do? Not allow them to sell cars in the US? Lol. You get the top 5 selling manufacturers to say nope to evs. What would happen???

[@mbutungubu5629]

Selling more hybrids is what they should have done in the first place.

[@LuckyLopez777]

Could happen lol

[@reginald7214]

U.S. sales of hybrids grew five times faster than EV sales in February, Morgan Stanley said

[@reginald7214]

Led by Toyota (7203.T), opens new tab, Ford and Honda (7267.T), opens new tab, North American production of hybrids could rise to as much as 20% of total light-vehicle production by 2025, compared with 14% for EVs, according to data provided to Reuters by AutoForecast Solutions. "While the EV outlook has been depressed by about a million units in the last year, hybrid models have surged by roughly the same volume," AFS Vice President Sam Fiorani told Reuters.

[@reginald7214]

In recent months, especially as the end of 2023 drew nearer, hybrid vehicle sales growth began outpacing EV sales growth. Now in 2024, Toyota is laughing its way to the bank as it posts a massive 74.1 percent growth in electrified vehicle sales in the first quarter of 2024. When we mean electrified, we mean vehicles with varying forms of electrification, from hybrids to EVs, as well as hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEV).

[@cautiousoptimist1926]

No one mentions that we were supposed to get affordable solar tiled roofs to charge our EVs; without those the whole idea is silly.

[@jasoncarter4343]

You can, for a hundred grand.

[@canadiandeplorable6413]

Governments interfering in the free market.....What could possibly go wrong?

[@trackguy4038]

According to Toyota, the material for one EV can create 90 hybrids. The dealers cannot keep hybrids on the lots. Can you do a story on hybrids?

[@wespotter6985]

The public saw the news over the winter.In Chicago.When cars had to be towed, from charging station to charging stations that were either with a long line or did not work.They said That's not for me

[@stevenanderson9660]

I wonder how many gas cars wouldn’t start because of the cold, genius

[@wespotter6985]

EVs WERE towed be ICE powered tow trucks, not by electric trucks, fool

[@MrSGL21]

@@stevenanderson9660 i wonder how many didn't start and their owners just went inside, got their lithium jump pack warmed up, went back out 5min later started their car and drove off, genius.

[@The1Mischief]

If it wasn't for the Federal tax credit and state rebate, I would have not bought an EV. Still too expensive, anything over 40k imo (both ice and ev).

[@user-rq3vt4kg4o]

My electric KIA crap died at 15000 miles, and they refused to fix it under warranty.

[@zachlafond2652]

Don't worry their gas cars ain't any better.

[@user-rq3vt4kg4o]

@@zachlafond2652 100% true

[@RedEyeC]

@@zachlafond2652 - driven 2 KIA's for over 20 years. ZERO problems - lowest maintenance cars I have ever owned in my almost 50 years of auto ownership. Too many people blasting the Korean auto industry when honestly - they are make the best cars now.

[@pcee5182]

the EV mandate is another example of failed big gov't. trying to mandate rather than letting consumer make choice based on characteristics of vehicles is recipe for failure, not to mention the total joke of infrastructure to charge. California power grid already a joke...and it would need to produce 4x current output if all vehicles in state were electric.

[@MA-id1hr]

EVs were dead since the start. Stop acting surprised.

[@jstar1000]

The Tesla model Y was the best selling car worldwide last year. Don't sound dead to me bro.

[@MA-id1hr]

@jstar1000 Timeshares were popular for a while, too, buddy! LoL Sounds to me that you fell for both!!!

[@jstar1000]

@@MA-id1hr I have a 5 year old Tesla, best car I have ever owned hands down and I've owned a ton in my 62 years. For most folks, at least most that have a home, its the best vehicle to own and will be the cheapest overall to drive if you keep it 10+ years like you should keep any vehicle to get your money's worth. Mine is paid for and it cost me about $60 to $80 a month to charge and drive it and requires pretty much zero maintenance other then tires ever 40 to 50k miles. I'm on my second set at 40k miles on this set and still going. Not getting your time share analogy, that is a time slot to use something you don't own and you have to pay yearly fees to use it and then you can't get rid of it and your kids have to take over and pay the fees if you die, yeah horrible idea. EVs are nothing like that in any way.

[@lou7139]

If there are no EVs around when i need to get a new car (5-10 years from now) I’ll just get a hybrid from Toyota.

[@MateusReus]

Toyota was right 🎯

[@Carguytct]

Toyota will be Block Buster

[@bradc1263]

Toyota wasn’t right…they are just smart. They saw producing EV’s as cutting off their fingers. I’ve driven 20K miles on my EV with no maintenance. I called the dealer at 10K miles and the service advisor said,”We’re finding that these EV’s need little to no maintenance. Just bring it in every 10K miles, and we’ll rotate the tires for free.” Also, I’ve never paid a dime for charging as I can use the public charges at my apartment complex. So 20K miles in with no maintenance costs and no fuel costs. You realize car dealers aren’t selling Jack squat right now…EV’s or ICE’s….so guess where they make their $$$….their service departments. Toyota was smart because they decided to trick all the sucker consumers into buying hybrids! Guess what…hybrids are even more complex and have hundreds more parts than an EV. They need regular maintenance…AND when the warranty’s expire on all these hybrids Toyota is putting on our roads…to all the unsuspecting suckers…the repair costs on those vehicles is going to be astronomical. It’s the herd being led to the slaughter…hate to break that to ya. I guess you could say Toyota was right, if you wanna look at it that way…they were right that they could keep raking in the $$$ from their service departments when their car sales dried up. If they had pushed EV’s it would’ve been a double whammy…no service revenues to make up for lost sales. Glad I didn’t follow the herd.

[@619DUB]

Lol Toyota sells US customer's it's overpriced cars and trucks to fund their world wide EV program. Keep funding it 😂😂😂

[@jamesrecknor6752]

Toyota does not have Party approved Correct Thinking

[@Carguytct]

@bradc1263 right, also, look at all those hydrogen cars Toyota sold with no place to fuel. They are just evil.

[@michaeljohnson4947]

Manufactures should have stood up, and warned the public, exactly what Obama environmental regulations, would do to the industry. This was by design, to force the average person, out of their vehicle. In the future, only the rich will be able afford to drive. This will cause world wide inflation, on a horrible scale.

[@conradbo1]

Thanks for a great and informative video. The ev people will obviously disagree with everything you say.

[@wespotter6985]

Richie forgot to mention that m s r p for tesla is being cut almost every week trying to figure out where the bottom of the market is that's what's killing the resale value among other things

[@Miami543210]

Don’t forget about the astronomical insurance premiums as well. Only those with the best driving record even afford an EV.

[@mowcowbell]

Not true. My '24 Tesla Model Y costs less to insure than my '23 Jeep Wrangler 4xe or my wife's '23 Jeep Grand Cherokee.

[@leoperez2566]

Yeah that's baloney. My insurance is the same as what I had with my Jeep Cherokee

[@KaiAdventure]

EVs make sense for the small segment of people who ... 1. Believe the lie that EVs will save the planet. 2. Can afford the high price tag and the steep depreciation. 3. Own their own home with their own charger. 4. Have additional gas vehicles for applications that EVs are not practical for, such as long trips, towing and hauling. For everyone else, EVs are not suitable until prices drop, depreciation slows, range improves, and charging infrastucture expands widely.

[@joeking433]

Is that you, Putin?

[@mylesgray3470]

A Tesla Model 3 or Y can be bought new for $40k and cad drive 1000 miles a month on $35 worth of electricity in my state. Makes for a very economical commute car. After 10 years of daily use it’s pretty much worthless but that’s the case with a lot of cars.

[@RacerX1971]

​@@mylesgray3470, no my 2005 Envoy, with 225k miles is still going strong, then my 2004 Buick Le sabre with like 165 k miles still going strong..then my 1971 Datsun, still going strong..it really depends on how you take care of it. I don't think an EV would last that long w out the battery change and how much would that cost?

[@The1Mischief]

Agree with everything except for the 1st point. No one truly cares about the environment when purchasing an EV. They just like the upfront fuel savings and driving characteristics.

[@KaiAdventure]

@mylesgray3470 like I said, EVs make sense for some people. I'm a renter. I have no charger at my house and there aren't any at work. Charging would be a massive annoyance under those circumstances.

[@hungtrinh83]

So no more "market adjustment " . Ahh..... so sad

[@LuckyLopez777]

no its discounts $$$$

[@baoanprounited]

Some guy in my local area bought a 21 GLE 53 for 15k over msrp (He posted the receipt, price was 110 msrp, mark up was 125). He's selling it for 90k

[@technom3598]

​@@baoanprounitedand he won't get anywhere near that

[@terrystewart2070]

@@LuckyLopez777 Dealer discount= the "new market adjustment" LOL

[@baoanprounited]

@technom3598 yea, i think he's trying to recoup the mark up he paid 😆. But good luck with that, even without the mark up.

[@jptrainor]

Government central -planning- dictating isn't working?!

[@jamesrecknor6752]

Comrade Chairman and The Party knows what is best for us counter revolutionaries.

[@brg1708]

To have mass adoption of EVs, you need regular people to buy them (not rich.) Not everyone has a house, much less a house with a garage. Harder to charge if you rent. What if you live in a rural area. I like the Rivian, and there are 3 pickups in my Northeast College Town. At $77,000, I wonder how people can afford them. And how they get them serviced.

[@chucksmith2732]

I'm guessing you haven't prices a new F150, RAM 1500 or Silverado lately eh?

[@brg1708]

@@chucksmith2732 yes I know they are also in that range however the justification is a tax write off. When I sold GM in December I routinely got business owners who were told to buy new trucks to get write offs. There are a bunch of truck enthusiasts who are either buying 3 year old Tundra or keeping their 10 year old Silverado F150 etc. I say "rich" because generally car costs should be 10% of income including repairs and insurance. Maybe I am frugal. Rivian owners must be Millionaires

[@marks6663]

America needs to rethink its strategy concerning EVs? Why should there even be a strategy? Let people buy what they want and the market will make what sells. That is not a strategy, that is just normal existence. The fact that people talk in terms of "strategy" for EVs is incredibly sinister and telling. If you need a strategy, something went very wrong somewhere.

[@sensoeirensen]

After 17years of driving a smart I bought a full hybrid Toyota Corolla. It's a great car with great mpg. After long research, my trust in Toyota/Lexus is BY FAR the highest.

[@Horatio1886build]

EVs don’t make any since period. It’s not a matter of waiting for better”grid infrastructure “ or better battery tech “ just around the corner” or building out “ green energy” grid( wind mills solar) None of it is fit for purpose. It is a pipe dream.

[@Spideynw]

Try telling that to the EV worshippers. Logic completely goes out the window with them.

[@mylesgray3470]

Model Y dual motor seats 5 with cargo and goes 0-60 in 4.4 seconds and it’s under $50k and costs about $40 a month I electricity to run. You need to spend way more to match that power with gas and even then you’re looking at sports cars. This is why it’s the best selling car in the world.

[@Spideynw]

@@mylesgray3470 I take it you conveniently left out the $7500 tax credit out of the price? And a $50k ICEV can be filled to 100% in a few minutes. There are lots of places to fill it up. I can tow stuff if it's an SUV or truck a lot further on a fill up. It didn't use child or slave labor to build. It doesn't lose range over time. It's cheaper to repair and much faster to repair. And it won't depreciate nearly as fast.

[@Horatio1886build]

Oh, and we told you so. I would not own one new used or won In a game show. ( I would sell it immediately) don’t want an electric incinerator any where near my property and stuff.

[@michaelmavity8008]

Good job as always sir! I bought my first model 3 a couple of years ago, a flood salvage Hertz car and it was a hoot getting back on the road. My GF drives it now and she loves it. My second was a brand new model 3 that was in a mud slide in CA, took forever to get the mud out of that car but there wasn’t anything really wrong with it and that’s my daily driver now. Just bought a third one with some minor front end damage, been repairing it in the garage with eBay parts. I would never buy a new EV but dang these fixer uppers are a blast and really awesome for driving around town. I plan to keep my Tundra, Kia Forte GT, and BMW 530e though.

[@nottmfunguy]

I suspect most of the companies throwing in on EV's are now suffering big loses. Even though Ford lost $4 billion last year they can fall back on increase ICE production to assist making up some of those loses. Companies like GM, VW etc can survive but cutting right back on EV production and increases ICE and Hybrid sales. But the likes of Tesla its hard they are in the same bracket as all these Chinese EV companies, loses are only made up by reducing their assets, like people (employees) and manufacturing bases. I can see Tesla moving most of its operation to China in the future, forget about Mexico this will not be the investment to help them. I also think EV's sales will not do much in the next 2 to 5 years, they will stay in the wilderness. Governments tax incentives will soon dissolve, in the same way as Germany.

[@parsley6805]

Electricity comes from combustion

[@mowcowbell]

30% of the grid power in my state comes from wind power.

[@mikafiltenborg7572]

Solarpanels and windturbines

[@parsley6805]

@@mikafiltenborg7572 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKLToYV5aJyCnassi=DGXDtDD9csfwOrrW

[@parsley6805]

@@mikafiltenborg7572 wishful thinking, please watch the link to see why.

[@Wahinies]

​@@mikafiltenborg7572when the sun does not shine and wind does not blow what do?

[@dw3897]

Not an EV liker, will never own one. That said instead of pushing something on people who don't want one, just let the market drive EV sales. There are people how want these, sell to them and leave the rest of us alone. The more the government tries to force EV's on people the stronger the resistance will be against them by the general public, nobody like to be pushed into buying something they don't want.

[@debbiegoff8586]

Auto companies are going to be asking for bailouts because the Gov pushed them into EVs. With a recession looming Auto companies are going to take a beating this year. FYI, I'd never pay 50k for a P/U truck...New autos are way too expensive...

[@chriswoodward9173]

Please point me to these 50% depreciated 1-year old EVs, because I'd like to buy one. Not seeing those kind of prices in any nationwide search.

[@stevenmitchell7830]

EV was an early 20's fad... and it's over. The tech was just too immature for their time. Dangerous batteries, long charge times, short ranges, terrible charging infrastructure and cliff face depreciation killed them off. A bit like the old red LED digital watches. They were cool once.

[@DerekDavis213]

And poor paint, poor fit-and-finish, and no dashboard were factors too. Talking about Tesla of course.

[@hifijohn]

It will always have its fans, its a niche product.The mistake is thinking everyone wanted it.

[@DerekDavis213]

@@hifijohn A niche product, indeed. Less than 1 percent of cars in America are Tesla. After 10 years of availability.

[@jeffg4570]

And yet in 2023 the Tesla Model Y was the best selling new car (not just EV) in the world. And it may repeat that in 2024.

[@DerekDavis213]

@@jeffg4570 Ok, Model Y is a top seller. But in America, less than *1* *percent* of cars on the road are Teslas.

[@allanpontiere6177]

Why does anyone buy a Tesla new or used? Better yet, why would anyone buy any EV!!😲 Keep putting the truth out there Lucky!

[@Maine1090]

charging my ev is free. even if it wasn't free it would cost me roughly $100 per month. I was spending $200 a month for fuel in a car that gets 31 mpg just to go to work.

[@anonymousfu]

Bought a Tesla last year. Saved $1200 in fuel so far and love it.

[@leoperez2566]

They're great cars.

[@allanpontiere6177]

If you feel that way the is fine. I will never buy one due to price, insurance, wear and tear on the tires, no infrastructure, etc. The government should not be mandating EV’s even 10 years from now. We all should have choices. Most of America does not want an EV.

[@anonymousfu]

@@allanpontiere6177 44% of Americans would consider buying an EV, according to Gallup. Not exactly nobody.

[@nedstamler8192]

I think this is so funny. No one believed me about EV sales and the problems that these cause. I knew. I always am correct.

[@andysol2002]

The entire car industry needs a reset. Most of the brands are selling cars at ridiculous prices, 30-40% more than its actually worth. All new EV's coming out especially SUV's are all priced 70K plus. Even brands like Kia, Hyundai, Toyota dont feel like the value for money brands anymore. With high interest rates and inflation at its peak, people have been pushed to the edge. Last thing anyone is looking for is to be environment friendly. I want these companies to fail, some of the big arrogant players to go bankrupt the same way GM, Ford once did and the entire car industry to be grounded.

[@integra8502]

I literally do not know 1 person that has an EV and would go back to combustion

[@joea505]

I know 7 people with Teslas and all said that they are not going back to ICE vehicles and 2 of them have 60-70 mile commute each way.

[@kristoferroof]

I put about 70-90 miles a day on my EV and have done multiple road trips with the entire family and will NEVER go back to an ICE car. IMO, at-home charging is a game changer for EV owners. It’s like waking up each morning with a “full tank” at a fraction of the cost of gasoline.

[@joeking433]

Yeah, my BIL just bought a new Model X and gave his Model S to his wife.

[@Mr_Spock512]

@@kristoferroof The problem is your "tank" will get smaller and smaller as the batteries age. In 10 years, you might have electrons to go to the corner store and no further.

[@kristoferroof]

@@Mr_Spock512 JD Power cite battery degradation of 1% per year. So after 10 years, I will still have 90% of my “tank” left, so that’s 297 miles of range - I think I’ll be able to go a little farther than the corner grocery store. And since ICE cars have 2000 moving parts vs EV’s 20 moving parts, I think I’ll also be in a better place with maintenance and upkeep vs my ICE-driving peers.

[@dlessard2369]

Elon made so many promises on offering new features to Tesla vehicles going back up to 10 years and never delivered on 90% of them. I would say Tesla will double the lay off amounts by the end of April. Running a Manufacturing company is not easy especially as a new startup but Elon was trying to fool everyone when he was only fooling himself! Manufacturing vehicles is not like making cell phones, or computers by shipping them out and then re-tweak, and fix them out in the field. There's a market for EV's its going to take at least another 5 years to work out all the bugs to gain peoples confidence back.

[@edscr87]

Signs of things to come. EV manufacturers put all their eggs in one basket, parts and service are a huge revenue stream.

[@heylookarealdinosaur]

Very curious how many buyers of used EV experience battery issues. The lack of dealership knowledge on how to repair battery packs is also going to be a huge issue. Instead of giving subsidies to middle class buyers, the government should have subsidized a program where the battery is leased and never owned by the customer like many municipal charging programs in China.

[@EMichaelBall]

Battery leasing makes it more difficult to sell the vehicle, especially when the car, itself is used.

[@thewiseperson8748]

EV's are a disaster.

[@DarkClosetOfTheMind]

You think they are pumping the brakes now, wait until everyone hears about the EV tax coming. NJ has proposed a new EV tax because states are losing "gas tax" money. Additionally, states are considering 4-year mandatory registrations for EV vehicles. Those essentially wipe out that 4k tax breaks you get today. Hybrid, sure, EV, no thanks.

[@EMichaelBall]

Penny wise pound foolish. There was a study that found tollbooths moving to EZ-Pass increased local birth weights of children whose moms lived within two kilometers of the tollbooth. Why? Simple: Cars not having to stop reduced the air pollution in the area. And of course, higher birth weight means healthier children with fewer diseases. Such improvements extrapolate to people of all ages. Outsourcing air pollution away from city centers is a substantial advantage to reduce health care spending and, by extension, lessen government burdens on health care spending. And unlike oil and gas, grid energy gets greener every year. Coal has dropped substantially in usage as natural gas has gotten cheaper, and now natural gas is being pressured by unsubsidized renewables. So even the grid is getting cleaner.

[@Zoet50]

If Rivian goes bankrupt, will there still be parts available for existing Rivians ?

[@chocolatuzma6212]

Amazing I learn so much from you.

[@xesxblackarrow7912]

The only way I would buy an EV is to scrap them for their chips.

[@Desertbiker617]

You must be loaded because I can't.

[@firemedic1146]

Still have no desire to purchase an EV.

[@Jayplaya95]

Buying a used model 3 performance this week 2020 43k miles would never buy a new one way to scary to lose half ur money on two years all thanks to you bro i waited two years to buy this car because of your advice

[@AJourneyOfYourSoul]

That’s the way to do it right now. The prior owner just payed for half your car. Thank you prior owner, lol.

[@timothythompson4036]

The whole issue with EVs is the difficulty in recharging them. This will take decades to solve. If ever!!

[@kurknielsen]

If Tesla is build to order why do they have a huge inventory right now?

[@jeffg4570]

They have grown so large they can no longer be built to order and still be efficiently produced.

[@NoDaysOff-oz2zl]

Rich Rebuilds should open a Tesla LS Swap factory.

[@bigal6684]

Except they are butt ugly

[@billyjo316]

Again I live in New England and in the summer my electric car was great at 320 miles, but in the winter it went down to 180 miles at a full charge and I couldn’t use the heat or defrost and it took longer to charge. This is unacceptable in New England, where you might get stuck in the snowstorm or traffic, so this is why I got rid of my electric and went back to gas

[@glycerinrecords]

Lucky where are seeing Tesla Model Y 2yrs old for less than 30k for 2021 models? Here in Dallas you can find a high mileage 2019 maybe 2020 in the sub 30k range. I should have started up front, I want a Tesla Model Y. I also have never owned an EV. However, brand new with the tax credit applied at same you can get a brand new AWD, Long Range for just under 37k. ? So why wouldn't you buy new? If I could get one that's 2yrs old with 30k Mike's for 25k then I can see buying used. Thoughts? Or can you point me in the right direction on where to find them? Thanks. Love the channel

[@janlajoie6120]

The percentage of EVs sold last year was 7.6% per Kelley Blue Book not 2 to 3 %.

[@stevenmitchell7830]

That was 2023. Sales have fallen off a cliff in first quarter 2024 and they aren't coming back any time soon. People are waking up to how bad EVs are to live with.

[@janlajoie6120]

@@stevenmitchell7830 Agreed - but if you put yourself out there, you need to have your facts straight.

[@jpscharged]

​​@stevenmitchell7830 well everyone that has an EV loves them. Like any vehicle you have to be prepared to own it. Vehicles aren't assets. Most ev owners remark about how much easier it is to make lane changes with the instant torque to zip right on infront of you before your ego can hit that gas pedal.

[@DerekDavis213]

And less than 1 percent Tesla vehicles on American roads. That is not a 'revolution' .

[@stevenmitchell7830]

@@DerekDavis213 1% is a group of odd enthusiasts with a hobby.

[@MisterRunon]

Interest rates are still high, the world economy is not doing well. Would have been nice for you to compare EV sales performance vs. ICE sales. I'm pretty sure there's an overabundance of all cars at the moment. Oil prices might skyrocket now that Iran is blocking the strait of Hormuz. What happens to EV sales when it's $12/gallon of gas?

[@bradc1263]

I agree…so many people that keep bashing EV’s saying they aren’t selling…when, in reality, nothing is selling EV’s or ICE’s. I’ve driven my EV 20K miles with no fuel or maintenance costs. I charge for free at my apartments and have only rotated the tires once for free. I’m kinda glad there’s so much hate and negativity being driven around EV’s as it will help the charging infrastructure play catchup. I love my EV and would never buy another gas combustion engine. I see all the people driving ICE’s and hybrids as the suckers.

[@jamesrecknor6752]

@@bradc1263 I was really interested in a EV until Comrade Chairman and The Party tried to make glorious, revolutionary mandates on us peasants.

[@bigal6684]

Maybe start extracting the oil that underlies the United States.

[@lofilex3211]

You do realize electricity is generated by gas lol. Oil goes up everything goes up.

[@bradc1263]

@@lofilex3211 First off, not all electricity is created from gas. Anyone would have to be ignorant to believe that. Second, if nothing else, this entire argument over the feasibility of EV’s and the high cost of fuel puts a spotlight on the issue of alternative and sustainable energy sources even more. Fossil fuels are a finite resource that’s already dwindling. The cost is only going to keep going up, as the supply deteriorates. In addition, it’s clear that burning fossil fuels is speeding up global warming at an unprecedented rate that could spell out the demise of mankind. We are ignorant as a society if we think we can just keep cruising along burning fossil fuels as a viable energy source. If we want to save civilization and clean up the mess we’ve created here on Earth, we need to learn how to evolve as human beings and work on creating more and better sources of energy. Solar, wind, hydro…are all steps in the right direction and can propel electric vehicles. They can’t propel gas thirsty engines. People need to wake up to change…quit living in the Stone Age and push towards alternative energy sources. Driving anything that runs on fossil fuels is not the answer to our future. Get out from underneath the rocks y’all are living under and be part of the solution instead of the problem.

[@rubenm.391]

EV’s were being pushed onto us way too quick! I’m that guy that’s still trying to keep our older Vortec 454’s and also my newly acquired Suburban K2500 with the 8.1 Vortec on the road still! Also own newer newer tuned Audi’s 😇

[@ChadGlassify]

Interest rates will never go down anytime soon.

[@supercriticalsolid]

we went by a lot and saw 10 cyber trucks sitting on the Tesla lot

[@Mr_Spock512]

They're probably already full of rust.

[@anonymousfu]

Tesla has like a million backorders for Cybertrucks. Those weren't unsold trucks you saw.

[@DerekDavis213]

@@anonymousfu Have you read recent reviews of Cybertruck? Horrible! Those million backorders are going evaporate.

[@anonymousfu]

@@DerekDavis213 Everybody seems to see the reviews tailored to their political bent (not sure why EVs are now political). The reviews I've seen have been mostly positive.

[@supercriticalsolid]

@@anonymousfu financing always comes through for back orders? You think Tesla alone is financing all the pre-sales? Tesla isn't laying off 10% for kicks and giggles, their order volume has dropped. And, as you mention, with 'like a million backorders' either some of those people aren't able to go through with their original intent or everyone else drastically stopped ordering other Tesla vehicles. Something tells me lots of those pre-orders were initiated when most of those people had better financial prospects.

[@rustybumperclassics6342]

I worked at Fisker for a few months. It was interesting 🤔

[@LuckyLopez777]

Please share lol

[@rustybumperclassics6342]

@@LuckyLopez777 its what you might imagine. Nepotism, mismanagement, etc. Nothing too wild. I really like Fisker, really cool dude but the rest of what was going on not so much. I could see the writing on the wall. Reason I left.

[@miyuru07]

I never trusted a useful value in EV cars. Improve battery technology, charging efficiency and infrastructure all over US. Until then I only look at EVs on the road

[@LuckyLopez777]

Well said

[@jstar1000]

For daily driving which most people do a Tesla is the best vehicle hands down to own and drive unless you live in an apartment or have no way to charge at home, if you do, its the best by far. I have owned mine for almost 5 years and no way will I give it up. Zero issues and only one set of tires and a 12V battery in over 4 years of use and 70k miles.

[@flashoflight8160]

The compact suv that’s not a Honda or Toyota are sitting in the secret dirt lot where dealers hide their excess inventory. Still amazed ram trucks are not sitting there too.

[@kevinbarry71]

they are in trouble because reality is reasserting itself. Reality can be denied for a while, but not forever.

[@JCreole]

50% price drop….C’mon that’s the market telling OEM they are way overpriced on new vehicles.

[@EMichaelBall]

What has prevented this from happening to pickup trucks? Dealerships are swimming in inventory!

[@rotart12arx3]

Not going to happen.

[@wakeboarder9180]

EVs, right now, are the automotive equivalent of a VCR. They are not a like-kind replacement for an internal combustion engine. EVS will continue to fail in the marketplace until technology exists where you can recharge the battery in 10 minutes or less and get at least 250,000/20+ years of reliable use (just like most gas vehicles today),

[@red2play512]

One thing to note is when you see EV's without federal tax credits, they automatically reduce their pricing accordingly. That means, that once you use the credit, the used Market also factors in that credit. It means that even though you might get the credit, the car pricing increases and your used market value also decreases. Most times from 7500 to 4k or less. I myself just bought a Bolt EUV for around 20k with less than 8500 miles on it. Even the 7500 credit isn't actually a full credit because you have to pay full price and wait for the credit while the used car market can just take the EV less the 7500 dollars plus used pricing. The Tax credits are actually killing the market. Instead, the gov't should just give the money to the battery makers to reduce the pricing of the batteries sold to dealers.

[@carlitoscabana7197]

Was able to finally negotiate down a model Y from 28 down to 25k to qualify for the EV credit. The dealer then told me that in order to make the deal happen, in a seperate transaction i need to purchase a paint and wheel protection plan which cost $3285. I stopped replying to their emails. These dealers really dont want to make sales at least thats what it seems like to me. I even offered 1000 extra cash to make it happen and they wont budge

[@LuckyLopez777]

Nice 👍

[@jkmarshall3553]

Yeah, well, it seem that you won.

[@jim97405]

That was not a Tesla.

[@Willtellthetruth]

@@jim97405 he said it was a Model Y. Presumably it was a used model.

[@reginald7214]

Just get a Toyota hybrid like a sensible human. No need to support Elons hate agenda

[@utoob7361]

Which clause of the Constitution says the Federal Government should have rebates for EVs?

[@rm5902]

Milton Friedman: free to choose

[@Desertbiker617]

It's about jumping starting environmental protection.

[@Explorer3160]

It about maintaining the US economy and US auto industry.

[@utoob7361]

@@Explorer3160 Maintaining the auto industry? Destroying the auto industry by forcing them to build vehicles that no one will buy.

[@kellymhouse6436]

Tesla is not built to order anymore. They just ran inventory discount on model y

[@john.johnb_online1438]

Thank you

[@abstractreasoner]

Tesla does not build to order. They have so few combinations of options and colors they can build a mix and match new orders with what is already being built.

[@DerekDavis213]

Do you work for Tesla?

[@abstractreasoner]

@@DerekDavis213 do you think this information for a publicly traded company is a secret?

[@DerekDavis213]

Seems like only execs and factory workers at the plant would know.

[@abstractreasoner]

@@DerekDavis213 Tesla offers a choice of two wheels and five colors. Why wait for someone to order a vehicle before scheduling it for production? Other manufacturers offer thousands of option combinations for their vehicles. It’s one of the ways Tesla reduces cost but at the expense of offering customers more choices.

[@DerekDavis213]

@@abstractreasoner The longer a vehicle sits around on the lot, the greater chance the paint will be degraded. And Tesla doesn't offer enough colors, or compelling colors, for an expensive car.

[@dmimcg]

The gubbermint pushed EV cars on us. The PEOPLE said FU. FJB.

[@pavlochyshkevych4402]

What's is your opinion about EV Cadillac Lyriq ?

[@markwood5382]

They are not electric vehicles, they are battery powered vehicles and all of them are nothing but a money pit. You might as well try driving a swimming pool.

[@Spideynw]

I will keep saying this: Basically, anyone that can’t install a home charger, is traveling, cares about the environment, wants to tow stuff, a vehicle that doesn’t depreciate massively, cheaper insurance and repair bills, safety, to quickly fill their tank to 100%, greater range on a fill up, or a vehicle that doesn’t lose range over time, doesn’t want a stupid EV.

[@shawn_magnum9208]

Really? Those gas guzzlers care about environment? EVs are invidually good for environment anytime. where do you get your fake news?

[@Brian-rm8dn]

Remove some of your info.. environment, repair etc

[@Spideynw]

@@Brian-rm8dn Why? Because you don't understand how destructive to the environment mining all those minerals is? Or you don't understand that an EV can be totaled by an insurance company if the battery is damaged at all? That repairing a Tesla is very expensive?

[@larky368]

There is a small segment of fanatics who are able to fashion their lives around owning a battery car and therefore will defend them to the death. The only problem with electric cars is that they run on electricity. We are already overdependent on that energy source to the point where society grinds to a halt when there is a power outage. Why would any sane nation discard a cheap and reliable and abundant energy like oil for another that provides no advantage?

[@orlandovelastegui1391]

Yo bro I’ve seen Teslas on the market for 14,000-25,000 with out the 4,000 rebate low mileage cars also I just seen a Model 3 with 15,000 miles for 21,000 dollars!!!

[@DB-be9wy]

I’ve found it verrry difficult to buy a used 2 year old Tesla model 3 under 25k (so I can get the tax deduction) because everyone else buys them before I can get to them. In many cases they are sold on the truck while on their way to the dealer. I don’t buy anything before I can see it and test drive it but others apparently don’t have that requirement. My area is very wealthy though outside dc.

[@EMichaelBall]

“Outside DC” - there you go. More money than sense. If you don’t want to look out of state, you might need to look for another vehicle that might be not as good. I was looking at multiple VW ID4’s for under $25k that are sitting, but for obvious reasons. They are probably worth under $20k.

[@EMichaelBall]

Of course you can wait for more depreciation. If you have something paid off and reliable it may be cheaper to keep what you have, because the loan and insurance on the EV may more than make up for the fuel savings et al.

[@Kevin-mk6jo]

Flaunt what you can't afford... while living at home with mommy and daddy...😂

[@kitsune303]

A spoiled 21-year-old that worked for me was always bashing my V-6 Jeep and gushing over his Tesla (that his mommy bought him). First time the weather got below zero, he had to call off because his widdle Teswa couldn't charge in the cold and he was all out of electrons. What do you call a Tesla owner in a blizzard? A pedestrian!

[@promx96]

the whole economy is coming to a screeching halt thanks to interest rates

[@AlphaJ369]

Thanks to the prior low interest rates. There's a reason the Fed never went down to zero before. It was all planned!

[@mylesgray3470]

Yet inflation is still rising, likely due to government spending and immigration. Stagflation.

[@adnan_velic]

I want a Tesla model Y used but the insurance is wild! How are you guys insuring them. For a descent amount like $150/month?

[@jim97405]

I know my 2023 Model Y has deprecated significantly. But, it does everything it did when I bought it and more. Software updates have made it a better car. What ICE vehicle does that?

[@peterkkk849]

Any ICE car gets you from a to b better than Tesla. Software update on an iPad doesn’t make it an better iPad, it only makes you iPad bad so you need a new one

[@elcheapo5302]

EVs: So great you have to subsidize them with tax dollars and force people to buy them.

[@myoung48281]

They are great for obvious reasons. They are also expensive hence the gov. subsidies.

[@BenCabell]

No one is "forced" to buy and EV. If we don't support US EV/Battery development there will be no US industry left for the second gen. Second gen batteries that will arrive in mass between 2027-2030 will end ICE cars except for special vehicles. (People still ride horses). The problem with EV's is not the EV's it's the batteries. They already have better technology but it will take years to bring it to scale. With current technology EV's don't make sense for long distance driving.

[@jamesrecknor6752]

Senator Biden knows what is best for us

[@marsmotion]

@@jamesrecknor6752 emperor

[@elcheapo5302]

@@BenCabell Eight states (covering ~87 million Americans) have set dates to ban the sale of ICE vehicles. That is, in fact, forcing people to buy EVs. If they as great as the virtue signalers pontificate, everyone would willingly buy them.

[@kingsolarll4723]

The crazy thing car makers are still coming out with new models of EVs. Do they know people aren't buying new EVs smh!

[@ccron889_]

Entire car market is struggling because of macro economic issues (high interest rates + high prices) Non-Tesla EV’s are struggling more than the rest of the market because of reasons above + they just just suck. Lol they lack originality, too cookie cutter, rushed executions resulting in poor range & performance compared to Tesla.

[@AlphaJ369]

Interest rates aren't traditionally high right now but will be going higher. The FED loaning at zero percent is what created the high prices. Now prices need to drop 30% because of the rate rise but they haven't yet.

[@kendalljones541]

Good info 😊

[@kitsune303]

EVs are the car of the future...and always will be. As for me, ICE ICE baby! Nothing beats gasoline.

[@mikafiltenborg7572]

Tesla model S Plaid = 0-62 mph in 1.9 sekund = Beat the 💩 out of ANY gas-car!!

[@mikafiltenborg7572]

🤡

[@Tracked350Z]

Tesla doesn't build this way. It's why they have an over supply of EV's now. Their deliveries in Q1 were much lower than production.

[@seannotaro473]

EV insurance costs are crazy high along with higher repair bills if. Fk that!!

[@ShoreCastle]

Lucky: your analysis is great, and I would only add the competition coming from BYD. In Asian markets, they are making vehicles to sell for $15 to 25,000. This puts a lot of pressure on Tesla. They cannot totally depend on Tariff protection or import controls because they have a plant in China. To me, this means they have to get their price down and fast to compete. Even a build-to-order system has to adjust for this long-term competition.