Tesla FSD avoids crash - Tesla engineer responds with "Trolley Problem"

Tesla FSD avoids crash - Tesla engineer responds with "Trolley Problem"
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[@nextechsolutions5955]

The biggest improvement in safety by moving to autonomous vehicles is the fact that all these vehicles will be following the same road rules. Not to mention they won’t be affected by fatigue, stress and/or inebriation.

[@edwinungerer7989]

This! And even it not everyone uses it. the more that do the safer it gets

[@SzaszaG1]

​At some point, it will be mandatory and you will be banned driving. Can't wait, no more drink driving, only drinking 😂😂

[@jimgraham6722]

While driving my BYD with ACC and auto steer on, someone agressively cut in front of me going for an exit. The BYD firmly applied the brakes and pulled towards the side avoiding a collision. With the threat past it resumed the lane and drove on. Neat.

[@chillfluencer]

Autonomous driving capabilities can you only become better and better - and just like manufacturing processes - cars will be able to save situations not a single one of us humans could ever save.

[@Gobhumi]

The truck played chicken and won. Had the truck hit the Tesla, he would had been at fault. Good thing FSD isnt stubborn or a bully or panicked. Teslas driver started going for the wheel, but trusted FSD to handle it. Some people may had slammed the brakes and got hit. Others may had jumped the curb entirely. FSD will be certified next year and everyone will want it. Good one Sam.

[@MichaelDFPV]

My biggest complaint about driving on American roads is the large vehicles and most of their drivers who have the mindset that their vehicle is larger so they have the right away.

[@AWildBard]

exactly what we see in this video

[@meganote]

As my wife would say about that truck driver, "he took his half out of the middle."

[@scottmcshannon6821]

hes either totally inept or tried to hit the tesla!!

[@greggrant4614]

Sam - Excellent review of this FSD-Supervised avoided collision! I had not realized the amazing response made by FSD until you slowed the video down. The Tesla had already passed by the parked cars and the Suburban-like SUV pulling its trailer was not yet up to the parked cars when it suddenly pulled into the Tesla's lane. Just slowing down and/or honking the horn would have resulted in collision. There was time, however, to avoid the collision by driving over and up onto the curb, which is what the Tesla's FSD (Supervised) did!!!!!

[@HectorGarcia-nb2ld]

I enter on a freeway yesterday with FSD and the stupid cars in front because of stupid crazy traffic stopped and the FSD hit the brakes so hard to avoid a crash

[@itsyo42]

From a commercial product perspective: Protect the occupants of the car first. If the computer calculate there is a bodily injury in every scenario that vehicle don't get damaged, try to find possible outcome with no injury but allowed vehicle and environment damage. If it is not possible, the passengers safety go first. I think that's what most FSD buyers would be okay with.

[@jamesmcneal1821]

I assume Tesla has simulated the trolley problem in a virtual situation and knows what FSD Supervised would do. Perhaps they’ve even taught it how to handle it? Great accompanying commentary, Sam.

[@user-bz4we6ni3v]

The full self driving trial has been interesting. I have used it in driving rain, heavy traffic my normal morning drive. It does many things well, but I also take control back at least a few times each day. Particulary as I arrive home and at work.

[@mrmawson2438]

I saw this it's funking great

[@shawncooper8131]

Truck didnt have room with the cars on its right. Now the cars being on his side of the road, the truck should have yielded to the tesla. But it didn't.

[@johndelockery9631]

This situation was a major plot point in the movie I-robot with Will Smith. Also, the robots looked a lot like Optimus. Worth watching.

[@greggrant4614]

Regarding the Trolley Problem, the Tesla has many more degrees of freedom available to address the problem, compared to the artificially constrained and over simplified trolley. In your example, the Tesla under FSD control might have both driven up on the curb AND braked at the same time, to avoid or minimize any impact with the biker. Additionally, the Tesla under FSD control might have driven straight onto the lawn while braking or not, to avoid collision with both the SUV and the imagined biker. Regardless, I'm certain Tesla the company is studying this incident closely and considering throwing additional factors like a biker into the picture to simulate Tesla's possible responses to even more complex situations.

[@brendanpells912]

Not really a crash, more of a potential scrape. A human driver would have foreseen the potential conflict and taken corrective action earlier. I would have pulled over to the side and stopped so that if the driver coming the other way clipped my car they would be 100% at fault.

[@krossbolt4100]

Watch it again. The Tesla driver clearly was passed the parked cars before the other driver aimed for him. A human driver would have behaved the same.

[@juliahello6673]

No you wouldn’t have. You are looking at the video, knowing what’s going to happen, plus a little egoism and blame-the-victim thrown in.

[@truhartwood3170]

Except the human was right there so we don't have to wonder what a human driver "would have" done. They went for the wheel AFTER FSD was already swerving to avoid the collision. It's crazy how often I'm correcting people putting forward hypotheticals when we have real world data right in front of our eyes.

[@brendanpells912]

@@truhartwood3170 What you're seeing is a human driver not paying attention. It's what happens when you're not engaged with the process, it takes a while to re-engage and sometimes it's not long enough.

[@truhartwood3170]

@@brendanpells912 the person narrating the drive, calling out the play-by-play, hands near the wheel, familiar with FSD and the need to take over, and who actually did go to take over a split second after FSD did... Wasn't paying attention? Sorry, you're just wrong as wrong can be. What we witnessed first hand was a real-life race between FSD and a human to avoid an accident in an actual, unstaged situation and FSD won, plainly and obvious for all to see. And this isn't a one-off. There are many many videos of FSD avoiding an accident where the human didn't even know what it was doing or why until after it was all over. We have eblven more anecdotal reports not videos taped, and to back those up we have statistics that driving with FSD is safer. So we have actual, real life and we have your hypotheticals and special pleading. Sorry, but I know what I'm going to accept as fact and it ain't people like you.

[@timfehlberg9051]

The trolly problem is really only a temporary, transitional problem. Once all vehicles are fully autonomous and connected, the trolly problem won't exist with vehicle collisions.

[@jimbo4551]

It’s simple the Tesla was ahead of the truck where the road narrowed which means the truck should’ve yielded. I come across this type of situation all the time where the other vehicle doesn’t yield. This is one of the many types of situations that make FSD scary for me.

[@geoffreycollings4678]

If the truck had fsd it would have yielded. Humans are the problem.

[@jimbo4551]

@@geoffreycollings4678 Yes I do believe you’re correct however there will always be people who won’t have FSD that will hog the road. Especially Tesla hater’s

[@MyUniversalUniversity]

I have driven 46 years so far, I drove 14 year professionally, in that 46 years, and 39 of my driving was in LA, CA mostly. I have never had to made a this or that in a crash or to avoid one or the other. I think this will be a waist of time to determine it. Plus people suck badly when they drive, not all, but enough to make FSD a huge help in the US, for sure.

[@DenisLoubet]

I'd say the crucial element was making it to the area where the curb was non-existent before the trailer hit the car. once you get there you can easily avoid the trailer. I don't know if FSD recognized the value of the disappearance of the curb, but it sure acted like it did by not moving over until the curb vanished. That was a very short amount of time, and it looked well planned and executed. I suspect the outcome of this encounter would have been strikingly different if the curb had not disappeared.

[@rm5902]

What about the pedestrians on the curb ? Why didnt driver accelerate and get past the parked cars before the truck arrived ? Why didnt self drive do this ?

[@scottgardener]

The Trolley Problem is familiar to Trekkies, who might compare it to the Kobyashi Maru training scenario (in which a ship sends out a distress call in enemy territory, but any rescue attempt will inevitably fail), or to Spock's line, "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." Both stem from the realization that in real life, situations can arise in which an outcome without death or other harm is impossible, so one should choose whatever path involves the least amount of death or harm, even if, technically, by acting, one causes some harm. AI programming appears to agree with Vulcan hypotheticals, in that they will, so to speak, pull the lever and divert the trolley to kill the one person in order to save the group of five. I do not mind at all that my Tesla is programmed this way, as I subscribe to that philosophy myself, but in a fraction of a second with no time to think logically, I am not sure I would be able to override survival instinct that would cause me to save myself while allowing a group of other people to die.

[@SWR112]

Scary it worked out what to do. We are going to see accidents missed before people react.

[@ronenmarom]

In the above example with the pickup truck, I think the Tesla should have slowed down and encouraged the pickup to pass first. That would have been my choice if I was actually driving. Defensive driving is always the way to go. I never trust other cars on the road to make the correct or courteous decision. I always assume that they are less capable than me. There is always a possibility that a crash will occur and it is not the fault of the FSD because it would have happened regardless. For example, if you are boxed in, and the car in front of you breaks suddenly, then you break and avoid the car, but the car behind you doesn't react in time and hits you from behind. I think it all comes down to who's at fault and if FSD in these situations is not at fault, then it shouldn't be a knock on FSD.

[@greggrant4614]

I think you should review the video, as well as Sam's commentary. The Tesla had already passed by the parked cars and the Suburban-like SUV pulling its trailer was not yet up to the parked cars when it suddenly pulled into the Tesla's lane. Just slowing down would have resulted in collision. There was time, however, to avoid the collision by driving over and up onto the curb, which is what the Tesla's FSD (Supervised) did!!!

[@b4804514]

First off you have no idea what the truck driver is thinking or going to do in the future. There is no encouraging another driver. You get out of the way. I may have not had the same reaction. I have FSD and it drives much better than i do because it is always paying attention and driving is its only job. 43,000 people are killed each year in traffic accidents. That is a lot of bad decisions and poor judgement going on

[@wkrp10splayer19]

ronenmarom you are *exactly* right. half the human drivers would have noticed the impending possibilities and stopped short, allowing the truck-trailer to move through first. imho fsd did not do well here bc it didn't drive as smart as a truly smart driver. swap the truck-trailer with a school bus or a horse drawn wagon hayride... that fsd move was an ass move. show it to regulators and they are likely to site it as an example of not ready for prime-time.

[@greggrant4614]

@@wkrp10splayer19 I think you should review the video, as well as Sam's commentary. The Tesla had already passed by the parked cars and the Suburban-like SUV pulling its trailer was not yet up to the parked cars when it suddenly pulled into the Tesla's lane. Just slowing down would have resulted in collision. There was time, however, to avoid the collision by driving over and up onto the curb, which is what the Tesla's FSD (Supervised) did!!!

[@richardcope8102]

The Trolley problem is an edge case and quite rare. Some Philosophers thinking about this case even take into account age of person and contribution to Society etc.

[@WhitentonMike]

The Fight or Flight may be the instinctual response but they are both aggressive responses. There are other response positions one could take that are reasoned rather than emotional. The first decision would be whether to be aggressive or passive. There was enough time and distance to choose a passive response such as the Tesla stopping with enough room for the truck to occupy the Tesla's lane and drive by and clear the area. At this point, the Tesla would have an unobstructed lane to proceed safely. The Tesla could have done what a very experienced driver may have done and simply watched far enough ahead so it could choose the safest passive response. Driving over the curb isn't without risks of its own. Arriving at your destination a few seconds late isn't going to matter but if it does the Tesla could make up the time by being expedient when it is safe to do so. It is a simple matter during a trip to make up a few seconds.

[@LegendaryInfortainment]

Auto and motorcycle horns are best applied in an effort to induce a warm and fuzzy feeling in the horn's operator. I have been hit by enough cars to have very good feeling about this observation. A bit more than a trifle of pain though. It seemed like an easy out for the AI though by mounting the low curb from the driveway preceding it.

[@pjdava]

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[@electricviking]

Awesome, thank you!

[@DanWS100]

The Tesla should have noticed the yard flag and realized ahole drivers ahead.

[@Peltwerk]

That’s when you look up his license plate and send the video to his insurance company.

[@medman36]

The best medicine to prevent accidents is primary prevention. In this case of the supposed labled "Trolley" problem, how tesla fsd could have helped save both, us that if the truck had fsd, it would have known to have waited, as two parked cars in front blocked the road, which means the truck and tariler had to wait for the Tesla to pass. At least those are the rules with right of way in the Netherlands. A second solution. What I would have done, if I anticipated the truck was determined to take right of way with me oassing only endagering the traffic situation I would have stopped prematurely and honked. While the Tesla had right of way, in this sitiation I think both the Trsla and truck driver chose an irrationally human choice of a dual. The Trsla lostthe dual and scooted over to the side. That is how I view the choice the Trsla made, to choose a safest option. In my view this is an example of a secondary prevention method or choice. It os not prefered of a primary prevention strategy. It might be a more common sense "human" choice, but I still think it is debatable if was the safest choice in hindsight.agine of someone walked on the grass and the Trsla still manoevred closer to the grass, would that be responsibly safer. I think the tesla has learned a valuable emrgency skill of more abstract thinking. If it was the smartest "humanoid" choice I'm still undecided, if this an example of a safe AI that demonstrates it drives better than a human.

[@johnfrancis4401]

This is what I would have done.

[@justinr9753]

So you see a truck stopped in the middle of a neighborhood road and you wouldn't even have slowed down? Do you have an first had experience driving through that style of neighborhood Street?

[@DaxVJacobson]

You have a duty to avoid accidents, each state in the United states can have different laws for failing to avoid an accident even if you have the right of way, if two drivers crash into each other the % of fault can be assigned in court and then the insurance companies will deal with the aftermath, I think it's why insurance companies tell you to say nothing at the point of contact, just exchange insurance info and let them deal with it. take some pictures perhaps record the other driver if he is ranting for example.

[@itekani]

I would have stopped and honked since if there still would be a collision it would clearly be the truckdrivers fault. Honking would trigger the dashcam to save the video as proof of what happened. But why is it called the trolley problem?

[@AlanWilliams-su4bs]

So the car moved slightly to the right and placed its wheels on the grass? Surely the safest action would have included a brief halt.?

[@wkrp10splayer19]

perhaps fsd should have analyzed the situation and stopped and let the truck-trailer through the choke point, rather than driving into a potential accident situation. that is what half of the human drivers would have done.

[@clintwolf5737]

Regarding the Trolley Problem: first and foremost, I expect the car to protect the occupant(s) of the car. I didn't buy it to put me in danger to save someone outside the car.

[@RichardBaileyrichoncode]

Sometimes the least fault is just stopping. Impressive fsd choice.

[@MegaAmused]

It's been a few years since I rode in a Tesla with FSD. It was terrifyingly primitive then, (a careful 12-year old was better) and it looks to have improved somewhat, since I last experienced it. In real world driving, that's a frustrating moment, and the absolute minimum that a defensive driver might try, so big evolution; almost but not really good enough. I recently had a very similar one unfold, where I came around a corner in my neighborhood, and was well within my painted lane. A neighbor was approaching me, and avoiding a car parked in her driving lane, with her line of travel extending out into my normally marked lane. As I rounded the corner, I ducked tightly in toward my curb, to let her pass. She rewarded me with an extended finger and a yelled expletive. Pretty frustrating, and pretty (sadly) normal driving. This video, really shows to me, an opportunity to show the machine learning how to drive defensively, and pre-emptively see that while it might be the oncoming vehicle's 'fault' if there's to be a collision, to understand that an upcoming collision should always be avoided, and to see that if another driver is driving aggressively, to pull over and just STOP the freaking car, when an oncoming car is driving offensively and there's not really likely enough room for both to share the road, even if it means giving up your own 'right' of way. The FSD drove like a 19 year-old with a year or experience, with a high insurance premium, not like a 55-year old driver with 37 years of driving and a low premium. Let's use marine navigation rules, where there is no real 'right of way', but rather a set of rules, and then, when there's a risk of collision, that everyone must completely avoid the risk or participate in the liability, for refusing to avoid an avoidable collision. Just a few million collision-free kilometers speaking. A professional driver has many thousands of opportunities a year to be involved in collisions that are 'the other drivers' fault', and always chooses to avoid them.

[@krossbolt4100]

In the situation we saw, stopping the car had zero chance of avoiding a collision. Stopping the car is not going to stop the other driver aiming for and hitting your car. The AI steered the car FROM the potential collision. Your summation is incorrect.

[@cjs1948]

@@krossbolt4100 Totally agree. I'm an OLD driver and purposely skilled at driving. I have been in the above situation a number of times and have had to quickly decide whether to use the brake or accelerator/steering. The accelerator/steering is often the choice that saves an accident--and the timing is split second. Most drivers have an automatic brake foot which is understandable and fine in many circumstances--but may not be the best choice in one like this. The Tesla performed excellently and I believe exceeded the skill of an average driver.

[@travisjazzbo3490]

"it looks to have improved somewhat" in the few years... Ya think?? LOL

[@ryangibson6881]

The f 150 lightning is confirmed for Australia as the main conversion place for them has stated that conversions will start soon

[@stefanpredl6849]

wonder if in the future cars will comunicate via laser in the headlights that can be picked up by the cams. "Hey there is a hazard in this direction"

[@greghudson9717]

I wonder what would have happened if the curb was a vertical normal height curb that would not have been so easy to veer onto ? Hmmm...

[@roryreddog3258]

I wonder if there is a high mileage electric Hyundai website. I don’t believe they get anywhere near that.

[@JoshRibakoff]

I see a truck who messed up and was slowing to a stop, and a tesla that didn’t want to disengage and reverse. The correct thing here would have been for the tesla to stop. Once the truck sees the Tesla isn’t slowing he may have decided to no longer stop.

[@johndavid9418]

The hardest & most important thing FSD needs to learn is how to crash with the best possible outcome. It will be an interesting learning process to observe, not to mention a legal mine field.

[@travisjazzbo3490]

I think AI rules are going to have to be made for various situations for AI to navigate that is agreed to by whatever governing board and then the only lawsuit possible that would implicate a vehicle with AI is whether it did what the decided rules for any given situation - agreed upon - would do. If it did, then no fault to the Tesla for instance and Tesla is equipped to record everything so it would be easy to see if it did. This is going to be really interesting to see where all of this goes. If Tesla FSD if proven to be a lot safer for people, then will insurance rates reflect that, and if they do, will that also encourage more and more people to move to FSD for safety alone? This is going to be really interesting

[@johndavid9418]

@@travisjazzbo3490 The book of laws will expand as the abilities of FSD do. Interesting times indeed.

[@simongross3122]

When all cars are FSD and all cars can communicate with each other, this situation would never happen. Both cars would jointly decide the best outcome and behave accordingly.

[@mrmawson2438]

Almost afternoon mate

[@erwin734]

When will they fix phantom braking.

[@zacharylukes1799]

Done, bro.

[@tysonn4736]

Already fixed. Try to keep up.

[@erwin734]

None ever fixed.. Stop spreading disinformation.

[@erwin734]

@@tysonn4736 nope never fixed.

[@69memnon69]

Seen quite a few people on Reddit showing pictures of FSD now curbing wheels.

[@mrmawson2438]

Version 11 ?

[@truhartwood3170]

V12. That's an unrelated issue though, of taking corners too tight. I think it saw videos of people cutting over lines on curves and figured since those are ignorable, so are curbs. Or it might be a calibration issue. This video seemed to be more of a "hitting truck" is worse than "hitting curb".

[@archiefleming652]

What would FSD Tesla do in the following situation ? Australia-RHD I am doing 120 westbound in a Ford Falcon XB sedan on a 2 lane Nepean River bridge approach, on left a concrete wall, on right a narrow low median strip, heavy traffic moving fast east bound. An east bound semi trailer hit the median strip, rolled on it's side, sliding towards me blocking both lanes, absolutely no chance of either vehicle stopping before a big hit. What would a FSD Tesla be programmed to do then. What I did wes put my Falcon into a 180, went in backwards , & by the sake of God got unharmed from a completely destroyed car.

[@turbinex_generators]

Truck driver has ego issues. Truck driver should have waited behind the 2 vehicles, since driver has use the Tesla car's lane to pass the parked vehicles. Same thing if on the road and behind slow moving farm equipment, you can't just pass anytime you want, you must wait for the other lane to be clear.

[@justinr9753]

Ego issues? They were probably looking for a house considering they was almost stopped in the middle of the street, anyone that's not an NPC would have used a little caution when approaching instead of trying to squeeze by at full speed

[@justinr9753]

In that situation i would have stopped to see what the truck in middle of road was going to do, it's a neighborhood and they have a trailer, they could be looking for an address.

[@andrewradford3953]

You simply make the decision that results in the least amount of harm. It can be a complicated decision that could result in more harm to yourself. For example, travelling at speed on a two lane country road with oncoming traffic, you round a blind corner and there is a child on the road, and a large tree on the verge, where you would have to go to avoid the child.

[@roberts932]

1:28 video, and report to police.

[@Phillip_Reese]

I am not sure about roads in the USA or Australia, but in urban areas of the UK it is common to find two-way streets with cars parked on both sides, just enough for one car to pass. It is up to the driver, hopefully an educated one, to stop and let the other pass, sometimes 100 yards away. I had a case where an Asian driver wanted to turn right at a junction in the middle of one of these roads. I had stopped almost in front of him and he still wanted to turn right against the oncoming car. I told him to stop because there was a car coming and then I passed him. Later the guy came up to me (not aggressively, an odd fact in UK but my prejudices told me that he was not danger) and told me he had turned on his indicator. He did not understand the three mistakes he had made. 1 - Coming up to the junction and turning his car to the right, already in the way of every car on the 'main' road (in Europe, cars coming from the right have priority, not in the UK). Drivers rarely know that they should keep the car straight and only turn if they can. One reason is safety (easy to reverse, to turn left or right in case of danger and needing to 'escape'). If the car is already on one side, the chances are reduced). Another reason, because of number one, is the fact that when they use the indicator (blinker), in this case on the right (I was on his left), I could not see the flashing lights. Thirdly, it was up to me to check the safety of the road I was on and I did not think his position was safe, my car was too close to his big car, so I did not give him the opportunity to get in. I think that hurt his feelings. I am not sure if FSB can handle this kind of situation. First of all, I positioned my car so that the incoming car could pass, even though the guy on the right was already interrupting his direction (making it tighter). FSB should do the same. There is no rule about who gives priority to whom.

[@brettbrewer6091]

If the Tesla would have been on the edge of a shear cliff and the choice was go off the edge or collide with the truck, what would it have chose? I presume it would have chose to sustain considerable damage to the car instead of going off the cliff. That seems to be the preferable choice from a financial/liability/legal perspective.

[@grantrandall1674]

I believe FSD will come down to insurance companies. Take a scenario where a FSD car has a choice of say going into the ditch, risking the car being written off but hopefully occupant survival, crashing into one of: a horse, a cat, a person or another car, It was seem to me that the programming of the FSD will be the responsibility of the manufacturer and the insurance company may hold the manufacturer liable. The cheapest algorithm option would be most likely the cat or the horse but is it the best moral choice? I doubt the insurance companies are capable of preferring the moral choice of avoiding loss of external life as it could be costly for that car!

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

Hopefully legislative requirements are well and truly ahead of insurance company costings. We're talking about lives, not broken cars.

[@JimT-RCT]

When I saw the title, I thought is was going to say that FSD would move the car if a shopping trolly was rolling towards it. Teslas seem to be trolly magnets if "Wham Bam Tesla Cam" is anything to go by.

[@joeltrail8186]

Maybe it could drive toward the shopping cart, reverse, and cushion the impact with no damage whle parking in the exact same spot. That wuld be true general intelligence, at which point your Tesla should useits spare time to do your taxes and run a side business selling energy at peak periods.

[@kchaste7423]

Hyper agressive pickup driver is a highly redundant term.

[@jeremiahcook6617]

I would brake to let the tuck pass unless a person is playing chicken a few seconds of travel delay is okay.

[@joebullwinkle5099]

In my experience, pickup drivers here in the United States can be very aggressive towards Teslas and they appear to see them as a threat to their personal manhood. So seeing in this video that this individual did not give way doesn't surprise me in the slightest!

[@nicholasglade4572]

Tesla missed a golden opportunity to come out with a mass produced regular mid-priced pickup truck.

[@richardcope8102]

At the moment FSD is a slight misnomer. What is currently being delivered via OTA is a very advanced Driver Assistance offer.

[@mrmawson2438]

I think if they all was on FSD everyone would be much safer cheers mate

[@Clint-stanley]

As you point out, Tesla autonomous vehicles are already safer than human driven cars. The sooner they allow more autonomous usage the quicker we will save lives. Back in August our Transportation lead said road deaths are 400k each year. With self driving it would save 320k each year.

[@philflip1963]

Why didn't The Testla just stop?

[@NiejakiDD]

I have my doubts. The Tesla car saw from the distance that the approaching car goes exactly in the middle of the road. Intelligent car would stop moving (there was a plenty of time) rather than risk approaching collision and threaten the humans inside and outside. Continuing and risking high probability of collision is obvious glitch in the code of Tesla's AI.

[@kiwimajic1]

Pls define when your talking in US dollars or Australian dollars. It gets very confusing. Also km or US miles.

[@Indecisive7337]

When faced with an imminent collision, it is my understanding that the Tesla will aim for the minimum damage based on points: Adults 1, Children 0 2 Adults 1 One Adult 0 Humans 0 Animals 1 Small bump 0 Big bump 1 These rules are really simple to follow, always go first the least damage.

[@juliahello6673]

Children worth less than adults? Tesla needs to take into account the remaining years of life.

[@lancpudn]

Why did the truck not yield to the Tesla? The obstruction of parked cars was on the truck's side of the road.

[@ryan6391]

Because the guy was a jerk.

[@adrianhochmann3091]

I thought they had no rule in America for that scenario. I have seen this behavior all the time in those fsd videos.

[@andders2477]

because he knew FSD would avoid him.

[@terrulian]

Don't know that the truck driver was being "aggressive." He became aware that his trailer might hit the parked car and foolishly and unwisely move to avoid it. I agree with your analysis otherwise; don't think a horn would have helped. Your bike-rider situation is interesting and there would be no good solution but yours would be the best choice--allow yourself to be hit. What FSD would or could do is a very interesting question.

[@willm5814]

Certainly a percentage of the people who drive would have been hit - we could argue all day on what percentage that would be, but it’s not zero

[@justinr9753]

Have you ever driven in this type of neighborhood street? My first instinct would be to slow down or stop until the truck that's barely moving in the middle of the road probably looking for an address saw me, not try to squeeze by without even slowing down because the truck would obviously move over when they saw me. If you have neighborhoods like this, try doing what the truck did and you will see how a non NPC reacts

[@neildolan7177]

Making a mountain out of a molehill. Aggressive truck driver towing a trailer. Stop & let him, though?

[@tonystanley5337]

Yeah but AI based decision making doesn't do any calculations, it just responds the way it is trained to, ie what the most commonly accepted response was.

[@stevenbarrett7648]

I would have continued as the Tesla driver being as it had right of way. I would also had beeped the horn as thats how our Tesla saves the recording of idiot driving

[@DrTofutybeast]

Get the plate and call the police

[@TomTom-cm2oq]

On the grass?? FSD learning from Michael Schumacher videos??

[@frankcoffey]

Had that been a different style curb both passenger side wheels would be damaged. When we tried to test FSD it did curb one of our wheels. It did find on the highway but didn't do well when we got to the parking lot where it hugged the curb and damaged our wheel. Humans do a lot of things to avoid discomfort and damage to the car. For example tire hazards, pot holes, things in the road, not following trucks throwing rocks at the windshield and paint, trees and stuff hanging over the road that could scratch paint, and many other things. AI does none of that. It does not care about cosmetic damage to the car or insurance rates. I wonder what FSD would have done in a bridge out situation or flooded road? Cars used for robo-taxi are going to be a mess in no time. Inside because of the riders and outside because of the software.

[@squishedfrog99-gp4qq]

Question to Tesla owners. Does your car have geofencing and timing software installed ready for the next pandemic lockdown or climate directive?

[@blazemkiv3641]

Also need to think about liability. Better to get hit by the truck and they pay than damage the car on the curb or environment and you pay

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

Yep, head on, two vehicles damaged, litigation... that beats going up the kerb any day of the week.

[@blazemkiv3641]

@@davidbrayshaw3529 but if the car swerves into a pole. Now it’s your fault not the truck.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

@@blazemkiv3641 I don't think of it in the context of fault. I think of it from a harm minimization perspective.

[@blazemkiv3641]

@@davidbrayshaw3529 now add out of pocket repair costs.

[@williamwoo866]

You can’t out think a computer. It doesnt get tired and can do computation the same millions of times. The idea that a computer can come up with different plans of solution is an advance a human will never accomplish Yes think of those military planes that steer using computers. Without a computer to correct every milliseconds the jet fighter would crash. I am thinking of those fighter jets with reverse wings.

[@chrisofnottingham]

The thing with the trolley problem is that automated cars don't make moral decisions, they just do what the training data suggests. And unless it has been extensively trained with trolley problems it will most likely do as little as possible, because that is what humans do.

[@juliahello6673]

It’s now being trained with goals and reinforcement learning.

[@tysonn4736]

I wonder how long it will be before AI is winning Nascar races.

[@mrmawson2438]

Tesla Executives Drop 3 Giant News for Tesla FSD (+ 9 videos) Brighter with Herbert

[@jezza6575]

Unfortunately idiots such as this drive on huge American roads and have no sense as to how close their car or truck in this case is to other cars parked on the side of the road. I swear they need a three foot gap and would rather cut it close or even collide with a moving vehicle head-on. Unfortunately this type of event happens to me almost daily.

[@i6power30]

Viking is shilling FSD only because he owns Tesla stock. Autonomous cars have nothing to do with EVs or electric drivetrain, it can use any drivetrains including ICE. Just because Tesla is perceived as leader in autonomous technology and pushing for the idea, people mistakenly associate autonomy with EVs. Whether or not we are close to full autonomy or morally should allow AI to make life and death decisions at the moment of innevitable collision is a completely seperate debate, and should not automatically put you in EV or anti-EV camp. For me, I am a firm believer of electrification, and have owned 4 EVs since 2017. But I'm quite certain Tesla is far from completing FSD as its CEO has been claiming for the past 5 years. A good test for yourself is this: Support another company, Waymo or openAI or some random Chinese firms beat Tesla in autonomy race. It licenses its self driving tech to any car companies willing to pay for it including legacy ICE autos. Would you still be a staunch support of autonomy then?

[@shawncooper8131]

Machine neuralnet coding is far better than human coding.

[@PaleBlueDotCitizen]

"Let me know what you think" HE NEVER READS COMMENTS

[@archiefleming652]

I have no idea why anyone could think that was scary shouldn't be in a car at all. If you drive a taxi that would happen every 2 or 3 days. If a driver is scared of that he should wear a nappy in case there was ever a truly scary situation.

[@markoverton5858]

The car clearly jockeyed to find space , totally awesome to much over thinking with this fsd system, it works as good as any human can and does not get tied or distracted or drunk final out of its mind like the Tesla haters,

[@Michael-yi4mc]

I would have “rock, paper, scissors it.

[@jefflittle8913]

I think you didn't explain the trolley problem very well. The point is, if there is a utilitarian solution in which 1 person dies, but you are literally causing that death or a solution where you take the "first do no harm" approach and 5 people die, is it morally better to kill 1 person or to let 5 die by inaction? You are pre-supposing that by taking the action you are reducing overall damage. Probably the trolley problem will be solved at the legislative level and AIs will implement the guidelines.

[@xordoom8467]

It did exactly what a person would have done driving a car... Wow...

[@justinr9753]

They would have stopped at least 50' and waited to see what the truck was going to do. Have you ever driven in a neighborhood like that? Edit: I'm not asking in a rude way, just not everywhere has neighborhoods like that

[@geoffreycollings4678]

It most certainly did not. It would depend on the person.

[@xordoom8467]

@geoffreycollings4678 obviously, as some idiots would have hit the truck.... people with common sense and years of driving experience would have done what the Tesla did...

[@geoffreycollings4678]

@@xordoom8467 Thats where fsd will eventually be superior as it wont matter how much experience.common sense,IQ, whether the drivers tired or drunk etc etc. none of those situations will exist. No road rage either.

[@stoner27th]

that truck driver was an a-hole!

[@bg6217]

The house on the right needs an AI gardener… mulching trees a meter up the trunk…. SMH… Is Elon working on this?

[@lidiasantoro3098]

This decision of probably killing an animal or certainly injuring a person, would come down to: is a human life more important than an animals. We all know what the majority would say, and what the vocal minority would say.

[@doctorhfuhruhurr4380]

No Robotaxi video? Fall asleep?

[@user-ws1xq9pd4z]

Not complex at all. Always prioritize passenger. Or I'm not buying. Same with trolley problem. as long as I dont pull the lever and it is NOT my job. I cant be prosecuted for doing nothing.

[@matiashamalainen7965]

So basically you say that it should drive off the road and move down a group of people if another car suddenly blocked the road and a collision was inevitable? In normal situation the driver would be responsible for the collateral damage if he did such a maneuver, so I doubt any company would let their cars make such choices.

[@user-ws1xq9pd4z]

@@matiashamalainen7965 It is not a question if a company would make it. Its a cold hearted monster like any company. They WILL make it optional if no other legal way exists. The liberal and usually hypocritical notion of love for a fellow man ends where your ass begins ALWAYS. Would you buy a car that would rather kill you than a pedestrian?

[@b4804514]

The new FSD is nothing like the older versions. It is so much better at acting like a human driver only better

[@garywozniak7742]

The scenario in the video is not all that uncommon in the places that I've lived and driven Particularly where the roads are narrow. The human brain can and does process situations like this without the need for FSD. "Holy $hit, this @$$hole is in my lane or is going to hit me, etc. Drivers of big pickup trucks or SUVs driving aggressively are the usual suspects. I've driven a small car for the last 14 years and have encountered situations where I've had to move over to avoid being hit. On two occasions in the last decade, I've had to move out of lane to avoid being hit by the vehicle in the lane next me driving in the same direction. Once while coming off a multi lane exit ramp from the highway, the other on section of city highway in a torrential downpour where the really large trailer being towed by the vehicle in the lane to my right moved into my lane and would have hit the passenger side of my vehicle. In both cases, I ended up with a blown tire and bent rim. Front passenger side on the first incident, driver front side on the second. I now try to anticipate situations like that and try to avoid traveling next to large vehicles and or anticipating if the big @$$ pickup truck coming towards me on a country road is going to be in my lane when we pass each other. FSD's ability to make the decision on what to do may not have all the sensory inputs that I do, and its reaction will be based on some algorithm.

[@carlishiggins]

with all the planning and inconvenience of owning an ev its Not worth paying more than £3k for an ev, used or brand New, ev owners ripped off