Tesla Model Y vs Toyota RAV4 Prime First Glance Walkaround

Kyle takes you on an interior and exterior tour of the Toyota RAV4 Prime SE and the Tesla Model Y Performance (but we're pretending it's the Dual Motor).
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[@DocMicrowave]

Got the 2022 Prime XSE with the 6.6kwh charger three weeks ago now. So far I am extremely happy with it. Left the dealership with a full tank of gas but the battery was not charged. Used some gas on the 50 mile trip home. Since that day, almost no gas used. (Just a smidge for another 50 mile trip on another day.) Holding at 3/4 of a full tank of the dealer's gas. My daily commute averages 32-35 miles round trip. For all intents and purposes, I have been driving a full EV vehicle for the past 3 weeks. Besides my in-range daily commutes, One of the reasons I went for the PHEV instead of a full EV is long summer road trips with the family. I drive many hundreds of miles and the last thing I want to experience is 'range anxiety'. Plus I don't feel the infrastructure is quite there yet to support EVs on the open highways.

[@JamesKlafehn]

I had a great time hanging out! I wish the weather was better for us though. Great video Kyle!

[@modulonatic]

@James Klafehn Thank you so much that Kyle could show us all your car. You channel is awesome by the way, love the mods you have done so far.

[@safedad1755]

Thanks for the comparison. How do you like the cloth seats in the RAV4 SE? Do they seem more breathable than the softex seats if you can compare? I had the XSE with ventilated seat package for a week in warm weather and it was fine, but I suspect the black pleather without the premium package is sweaty in the summer.

[@JamesKlafehn]

@@safedad1755 I have no complaints about the seat. I wish I was able to find an XSE with the premium package because I wanted on that was fully loaded. That wouldve included the leather seats that were air conditioned. But the SE trim is good. I love this car. Its way better than my Model X. kzbin.info/aero/PLuMPs5qUmnoRFg_zUfrbM5gDR1PYahXI8

[@JamesKlafehn]

@@modulonatic Thank you! It was my pleasure. I had fun!

[@safedad1755]

​@@JamesKlafehn Dang, sorry you went through that. I thought Tesla quality and reliability might improve before my purchase but it doesn't seem likely. Plus, no option for either cloth or ventilated pleather on the Y I'm also considering:-( They can't even provide a full detailed feature list like you can find for almost every other vehicle on the manufacturer's website, pdf brochure or media site. Tesla sales reps can only provide a link to the mechanical specifications in the owner's manual lol.

[@subbiahpalani]

Given likely most mid size and compact SUVs are used mostly on paved roads and cities. I’d like to see a deeper dive on efficiency and cost per mile in city would be a pretty good add on to reviews.

[@rbaaj7776]

Nice video I can’t wait to see Prius vs Ioniq 😁

[@timdsd]

I've been on a dealer's waitlist for a RAV4 Prime since March, with delivery requested in 2021, and supposedly no additional dealer markup. Since then, the VW ID.4 came along and got my attention, and I put down a deposit for one with the Pro S trim level. I like the Prius Plug-in I bought in 2012 and continue to drive, but I think I'm ready to go full EV. I like Teslas, but the ID.4 is more my style.

[@1millionstartups]

As a Rav4 Prime and Gen2 Prius owner, I can tell you Rav4 Prime is what Toyota made for us (20 million + Prius and Rav4 owners) to upgrade to. Everything I wished Prius has (bigger, plushness, more power, more visibility, more tech, more efficiency) is in the Rav4 Prime. This is not an EV, so comparing it to a Tesla or any other EV is silly. This Prime is just the most powerful, most efficient, and best performing hybrid Toyota can make today. So if you want a better hybrid or better Rav4, this is the car. If you want an EV or Tesla, this isn't your car.

[@kathleenchilds2837]

Don’t do it (id4) - go Tesla- love the Y! At least go test drive the Tesla Y and then the ID.4, then make your decision. Hopefully common sense will win and you’ll choose the Y! Best in class. World class.

[@safedad1755]

I've been considering these two for a while. Have an ID.4 AWD on order as well. Also interested in Sorento PHEV and Corsair GT. Each have pros and cons but it seems likely when I pull the trigger this spring or summer, the Model Y will be the only one I can actually get in the Midwest.

[@Chris-jt7xg]

I had a PHEV. Seemed like a good choice but with tiny battery it's a pain to plug in all the time if you want to drive on electric, which the Tesla does very well. My GF got a full electric, and now I can't wait to trade in my Outlander. It was a good stop-gap technology, but now Tesla does electric better than anyone does gas for the price.

[@pilot1226]

Totally agree with your review. NJ also charges zero sales tax on EV’s but does charge the standard 6.625% on PHEV/ICE as well. I shopped these two against the Subaru Outback Onyx XT and ended up going for the Onyx XT because of the extra cargo space and more car like and less SUV like feel. Super comfortable and better driver assist features than the Prime, and about $15,000 less than the Tesla. If I had to have a Hybrid, the R4P would be hard to pass up, but for the price differences it was even harder to skip the Subaru. This is my 4th Subaru and they are excellent especially in bad weather.

[@YingJwo]

You forgot to mention the back seats are heated in the Model Y. There is also a lot of foot room (not just leg room) in the Model Y as the front seats leave a large space beneath them. I also like the small cavern beneath the center console that you can put a small 6-can cooler underneath for back-seat occupants.

[@modulonatic]

I'm very excited to see more US Toyota models in Europe. They recently started selling the RAV4 Prime and the Highlander Hybrid in Germany. @Out of Spec Reviews any chance to that you will review the Highlander Hybrid?

[@nevco8774]

Toyota RAV4 Prime is a SUV vehicle with a practical relatively upright hatch at the luggage compartment, has a decent ground clearance, and high profile tires relatively resistant to potholes. Tesla Model Y is a coupe CUV with low profile tires, low ground clearance and large luggage compartment but unpractical due to its slope yet with frunk. On the roads with potholes Tesla requires a lot of maintenance for those wheels getting very often punched tires. Nice video!

[@wilsonhitchings6687]

There is nothing unique or peculiar to Telsa and potholes - it's the IDIOTS that put 20" or greater wheels on their cars. This effectively removes the air cushion that a tire provides. Put a STUPID 20" or 21" rim on any vehicle, drive over a pothole and boom! you've got damage.

[@nevco8774]

@@wilsonhitchings6687 The problem is different with Tesla since in high profile wheels/tires the brake calipers do not fit so mostly all folks ARE forced into low profile tires designed by company to enhance performance which unfortunately does reduces practicality on rough roads getting flat tires, and greatly spoils ride cushioning while cruising along the road. This is a problem for folks not trying to show off on the track but rather using public roads. No wonder Model S and X came by default with air suspension.

[@xoukilong]

I'm running 18s on my tesla and I edge out 5% bigger for a softer ride. I can't imagine going any bigger. I understand because of the rolling resistance and 44psi. But I felt every crack on the road.

[@tonys9413]

In the model Y, how is the thick crossbar over the back seat obstruct the view of the inside mirror (through the hatch rear window)?

[@OurTeslaModelXJourney]

When I first got in our Model X, I thought the view out the back was small. Is the view out the back of the Model Y smaller than the X, yes. That said, you can see plenty. And, the seat is not what restricts the view. It's the size of the glass and the angle of the glass. Honestly, after you drive either for a few days, you'll be totally used to it. And again, you can see everything you need to see. Only way to know for sure for you is to test drive one of them. We do not keep the back-up camera on in Drive, but some people do like to drive like that.

[@frumpd63]

We've been waiting for our Prime XSE premium since June and it's finally coming in this month. Unfortunately two Model Y test drives and the great ID4 specs have us (almost) certainly bagging on it and going full electric.

[@gregb7353]

If you can get one I'd buy it. You are not going to beat the value with the $7500 tax credit. Take the credit and get a Model Y next year.

[@joshuasamuels4049]

How about an Id.4 vs the y?

[@masterrpgs]

The Prime is a great choice if you can find one at msrp. The Y is the one to get if money is not an issue. Though the uncomfortable backseats in the Y are bad enough to be a deal breaker. It’s less comfortable than the Model 3s back seats. It’s too hard and the headrests are too small. I think they rushed it’s design by prioritizing the ability to fold it flat over comfort. Wait for Tesla to redesign it if you regularly carry adults in the back.

[@mariakepler1700]

How the Y it even the Mach e against the Y. Which one?

[@mluc1111]

Camping and road trips I'll take rav4

[@sebastianduarte4726]

good review, I like some of tesla's Tech.. but definitely I don't really like its interior and built quality.

[@fullyelectric]

Kyle .. another great 👍 review .. I would like to see you do this same review when the ID4 is out ... ID4 vs RAV4 ..

[@cusman]

12:05 - All you really have to do is click on the click-wheel on the steering wheel and say "Navigate to address / location" and then off you go.

[@smirk838]

Great video! I didn't catch the total range for the rav 4, but nothing a quick Google can't fix

[@alanmay7929]

The rav4 prime has over 600 miles of range

[@para_dan]

Mine is up to 49-52 electric before gas engine turns on and over 600 mile range.

[@primoroy]

Ride quality? Interior noise?

[@para_dan]

Quiet except when reversing. That sound is so loud and annoying. Ride pretty well and the Premium version has the larger rims and wish it would have smaller for better ride.

[@tittok6156]

My situation...I wanted the Rav 4 Prime with Federal $7500 rebate...but where to get it! they only produce 5000 units & due to availability Dealer would mark-up so much, the final cost would be in $ 50k-ish anyway but I need another AWD car now.... Subaru Cross trex hybrid too small & too $ for its size, Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt are too dated, Nissan Araya looks too typical SUVish and not out just yet. Also tired of maintenance of all fluid in ICE/Hybrid cars so Tesla Model Y Dual Motor AWD is the answer. I settled with $2500 CA State tax rebate and $ 800 PGE clean-air rebate. Even though it is not a completely perfect car but who does not like a car company’s’ concept whose CEO’s vision is crazy in relaunch & reusable rocket thrusters, Hyper loop, Cyber City, Solar energy roof, Stock value etc...

[@steveb796]

Great review but mostly a moot point since there are so few Rav 4s to be had. I Pick up my Model Y in 2 days.

[@fjalics]

They made it for 3 weeks, then gave up.

[@DUNGSTA]

How much was it?

[@nevco8774]

In hindsight after more than 2 years Toyota RAV4 Prime became an unobtanium, while Tesla Model Y is quite available. These days late in 2023 the options for electrified vehicles present more variety. However in North America there are more EVs vs PHEVs. Today if I had to choose a PHEV for my family I would prefer Volvo V60 extended range PHEV with 40 miles full EV range able to be used for short commute and very long comfortable trips. In the BEV world once again I prefer a small hatchback commuters like Volvo EX30, Kia Niro EV 2023, Chevrolet Bolt EUV with decent leg room in the rear. Smaller EVs like Hyndai Kona EV or Chevrolet Bolt EV have no leg room in the rear for my kids. Tesla has not yet offerred anything in that segment. I am not yet convinced that in 2023 any EV sold in the USA is suitable for long trips the way I need it: just a few times a year but far away from charging infrastructure. My personal conclusion: since any family has to have 2 vehicles one should be a long range commuting EV, the second a PHEV used for long trips and short commutes.

[@nsxlai2000]

if the battery is 8.8kwh like prius prime, then federal crdit is 4500....i think... i didnt get the full credit on my prius a few years ago.... good content!

[@aliendroneservices6621]

RAV4 Prime qualifies for full $7,500 FIT credit.

[@rncondie]

18.1 kWh full $7,500 oh baby thst is sweet

[@trailzrock2]

Can you talk to the tesla to open the windows or turn the AC on? Or do you have to mess with the touchscreen. I noticed NIO uses AI to do tasks in the car. I would probably prefer the NIO approach better. Plus the ability to swap batteries in 5 minutes in addition to charging it regularly.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

Tesla voice recognition is excellent, you have to learn it tho. tesla adapts to who enters the car, everything from mirror to music to aircon to seat to steering wheel, you never use the screen actually it is amazing

[@orangeman3343]

Things like where you live makes a difference too. Here's there's a Toyota dealer everywhere but my nearest Tesla service centre is 130 miles away. I can sometimes need to do long trips so the 600 +mile range of the Toyota is appealing too while the EV range will be fine for most or all of my local trips. Also think Toyota make proven long term reliable/solid cars, Tesla's are still a bit unknown - I've seen some of the bills people have been left with after the warranty expires. Tesla are very forward thinking and think will get better an better, in 5 years from now with full EV's from other manufacturers & improved battery tech it'll be a good time to buy

[@damienblack1734]

yeah, I agree, you just can't beat the Toyota reliability factor. Shiny doesn't hold a candle to durable.

[@pgaray]

I think this guy needs to get his facts straight on the Tesla Performance version vs. a Long-Range Model Y. The Performance has many differences other than the 21" wheels.

[@dbwelder9159]

It is called software, that is the only difference besides the wheels/tires. Unless you think the metal pedals are relevant.

[@ctstinnette]

Brakes, suspension, spoiler...

[@YingJwo]

I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure the motors are different too. If it was just a software thing, then a long-range could be updated to a performance model after purchase. This is not the case.

[@dbwelder9159]

@@YingJwo Actually the motors are the same, which is why you can buy the improved performance add on in software. It doesn't go as fast as performance, but it improves the long range to almost as fast. Tesla wants performance to have better brakes and suspension to handle the speed.

[@YingJwo]

@@dbwelder9159 that improved performance helps but still doesn’t reach the full performance of the performance model. If they truly are the same motors then I am curious as to why future performance upgrade isn’t offered across all models.

[@issiewizzie]

The pricing for the prime does not make sense as Suzuki which is based on the same platform and is $16,000 cheaper

[@brightlightdun]

Why was the camera man only shooting at your face ? Not the close up about the things you were explaining?

[@user-ff8ju1ee9b]

Still waiting for the Ford electric pickup review.

[@lsol]

Ground clearance? Probably another RAV4 advantage.

[@internetabyss]

the Rav4 XSE Premium that i own has a pano roof.

[@gregb7353]

If you can get a Rav4 Prime I would buy it. Even if you just turn around and sell it a year later for roughly the same price and pocket the $7500 tax credit you drove for a year for free worst case. Without the tax credit I'd go with the Model Y.

[@internetabyss]

@@gregb7353 yep... I don’t want to sell it but yes I can sell it right now for what I paid for it. I was the first one in Texas to get one. I think there is another person in Texas that has one now.

[@kens97sto171]

One thing that was neglected here was talking about off-road capability. I believe Kyle got stopped from continuing down an off-road path in his model 3 on one of his road trips. The model y doesn't have really significantly more ground clearance. That's one place where the RAV4 certainly has a significant advantage. I would not be afraid to drive off-road over big potholes or rough terrain etc. You're not going to do that in a model y. For me I wish Tesla had an option to get rid of the panoramic glass roof. If you live anywhere where it's hot, west Texas or Florida that glass roof is a nightmare, you have to crank the air conditioning 10° colder than you need it just to keep up with the solar input. I don't need a sunroof, I don't want a sunroof yet I have no choice with the Tesla. I suspect one of the reasons they make it standard is it gives them a way to add additional headroom which would be required to make the car even livable in the back seat. I also think the door handles inside and out are a poor design. If you have to explain to somebody how to use the door handle you failed as a designer, can you imagine as an Uber car every time somebody gets in the car they're going to be pawing and pressing and fidgeting trying to figure out how to open the damn door and the same problem getting out of the car pressing a button to open the door when they could have just used a door handle like every other car on the planet.

[@archigoel]

OK, but if you are a regular off-roader, it would be better to get another vehicle.

[@kens97sto171]

@@archigoel But the Tesla can do almost nothing off-road. The RAV4 can do a significant amount.. even though it's not a serious off road car. Big difference in ground clearance is the main thing.

[@alanmay7929]

@@archigoel there are even videos testing the rav4 prime offroad and it did really well, plus it has over 600 miles of range and you can bring additional fuel with you unlike EV with batteries

[@wilsonhitchings6687]

@@kens97sto171 the Tesla isn't designed for an off-road vehicle. Please compare a school bus to a pickup truck. I've driven a Honda Accord off road, but that doesn't mean it was designed for it nor should I claim it was such a vehicle. How's the Buick?

[@wilsonhitchings6687]

I own a Model S with a sunroof, and all-glass rear portion. From where are you getting your 10 degree temperature increase? I live in a sunny area with no increase in cabin temperature that I can tell. If you don't own a Tesla with such a feature, I suggest you stop making statements. We *know* you don't like EVs, so keep buying that oil. BTW, did you get Exxon's Christmas card this year?

[@Reaper-kf4yb]

honestly i made a smart price comparison and calculatet all in and i even used a USED RAV4 and still the tesla won... im in germany we get some benefits (tax free/4500€ bonus/200€ per year) and model y just reduced the price to 45000 .. i calculatet a 4 years used and 70.000km rav4 hybrid (the prime looses hands down.) for 30.000(tax) and calculcatet 8000 for more ussage since the tesla is new..

[@damienblack1734]

I heard and read that the Tesla has build quality issues where the outside panels didn't align unlike the Toyota where they're obsessed about build quality and reliability. It's hard for any car to beat a Toyota for reliability, and in the end there is no substitute for reliability. fancy cars don't mean much when you have always pay to get it fixed and it doesn't go anywhere when it's in the shop.

[@terrancecloverfield6791]

Yup, and on top of that, the cost to repair (in event of car accident) Tesla cars is a problem of its own as well. Had a friend take a swipe on the passenger side and caved in the passenger side doors. The total cost to repair was a bit over $22k.

[@iAmInsaine22]

I think the 3.3kw base charger will be the Achilles’ heel of the Prime long term. Lots of non technically inclined owners will complain after a year of ownership they never get a full charge from their wall outlet overnight and therefore will talk negatively about the prime to others which will only hurt the public image of EV’s further.

[@mamadouaziza2536]

Hardly.. People aren't dumb and the only EV brand embedded in society's head is TESLA and Tesla has a reputation for high speed charging.. No one is buying a Rav-4 for its onboard charger or for its battery, people will get the Rav-4 for the tax credits.

[@therolando608]

Thankfully they updated all trims to get the 6.6kw charger in the 2023 model year!

[@catjuice8420]

Recent report came out Tesla's ranked 2nd to last in terms of reliability out of 26. I can testify to this because I traded mine in for a Toyota. I'm not sure why Toyota and Honda have elected to go the liquid hydrogen route vs full EV. I would forsure buy a full EV mady by these companies because I know they make great reliable cars.

[@nickloss]

You can get the Rav4 with a pano roof, you're the only one I've seen with the standard moonroof

[@therolando608]

Only the XSE + Premium Package gets the pano roof and that is significantly more expense than the SE

[@barryw9473]

Just like GM should make DCFC standard, 6.6 kW charger should be standard.

[@mmh708]

So, in 2022. Model Y starts at 65k, while a Rav4 Prime XSE with the Premium package and some other upgrades can be got for $54k

[@calmjm]

RAV4 shifter S is Static, not sport. And it is not even very static.

[@hurleyfrancois4060]

I'll take the base model y.

[@worldwide_wes]

Door knock test? “Feels” less expensive? Lmao love your videos but the bias is strong with this one.

[@qqqwark]

Didn’t watch the video, but if he said that for the Tesla i believe it.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

@@qqqwark He said the Toyota felt less expensive.

[@brucec954]

The big question on the Prime is can you drive exclusively on the battery or not. On my regular hybrid, when I first start the car, it wants to warm up the engine and so runs even if I know I am only going to go 1 mile to the grocery store. Also if you accelerate too hard (at all really), it kicks on the engine. If the Prime does the same thing then still burning plenty of gas no matter what.

[@alanmay7929]

The rav4 uses a Atkinson cycle engine and works together with two electric motors to move the car so its very efficient.

[@akis.4493]

Rav4 Prime gives you 42 miles in EV mode without using any gas, of course it depends on how you drive. On a full charge driving on the highway on cruise at 80 mph, the range drops to about 33 miles.

[@alanmay7929]

@@akis.4493 the rav4 prime also has over 600 miles of range and its a great softroader for many activities where no tesla can compete

[@joemoreno2737]

I think the XSE would have been a better comparison.

[@TEVAssociation]

Will share it on pur page but boy will the bev purists revolt ..lol ..every time we dare compare bev to phev lol

[@JamesKlafehn]

haha For sure!

[@rickmartony9566]

Your camera man is only filming you. Not the car. We didn't even see the panoramic roof from the inside.

[@smallmj2886]

What is the long term reliability of a Tesla like? When I see a car that is chock full of gimmicks and gadgets I keep thinking of all the things that can go wrong as the car ages. I've put 283 000 km on my Camry in 7 years and it has been almost trouble free. I've never had a car this reliable before and it has turned me in to a Toyota convert. I hope it lasts until Toyota comes out with a full BEV that suits my family.

[@blueplanet1048]

Tesla actually has a lot less moving parts. It's mostly software battery and electric motors in most parts. Their Electric motors and batteries are known to be the best in the industry and very reliable. You almost don't even have to change brakes and rotors, no oil changes no transmission oils or anything, no engine moving parts. Their battery and motors have 10 years warranty.

[@smallmj2886]

@@blueplanet1048 I guess I worry about the electronics. Some ICE manufacturers have a history of bad quality electronics and wiring. Tesla's are so reliant on their electronics that a problem would be very bad. Also, things like the dash heating vents and the door handles look gimmicky and possibly fragile. Finally, part of me wonders if well publicised problems like panel gap issues are indicative of other problems that will show up over time. Don't get me wrong, when my Camry dies I will seriously consider a Tesla - especially if they open a dealer closer than 1000 km away (my current distance from a Tesla showroom). I'm not trying to be a hater, just a worrier. A Model Y is 56k CDN, and I would want to be sure about long term reliability before putting down that kind of money.

[@pdd3]

Kudos for doing an honest review involving a Tesla. It's a rare find these days.

[@abcd-fx9bw]

Hey Kyle, Please review 1. Hyundai Pallisade 2. Toyota Venza 3. Toyota supra 4. Toyota Avalon hybrid Your Subscriber from India

[@rbaaj7776]

He just make videos about electric cars and hybrids

[@abcd-fx9bw]

@@rbaaj7776 All are hybrid except Pallisde

[@OutofSpecReviews]

I make videos on all cars on this channel, not just electrified ones

[@abcd-fx9bw]

@@OutofSpecReviews Great Gas will last approximately 50 years only.

[@rbaaj7776]

@@abcd-fx9bw and the Supra

[@abcd-fx9bw]

I am confused is Tesla a car or a Mac pro with 21 inch wheels. 😅

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

this Model Y is the best selling car in the world, not just ev's, all cars.

[@ronaldfish1569]

I’ll pick the y

[@cliffordcommanda6105]

People are getting the RAV4 hybrid and RAV4 prime mixed up. Especially for tax credit. Anyways, the comparisons I was hoping for was rear bench width (3 kids) as well as offroading ability. There seems to be a massive difference in ground clearance. Cottage / hunting cabin, etc will probably not do well with a full EV only a few inches off the ground.

[@Chris21709]

I've had a Model Y for six months. One-pedal driving is in a different ballpark than driving experience in any conventional car-night and day better. Instant response. After you've been driving one-pedal for a couple of weeks, you don't even think about controlling speed. Perfect. It just works. Very rarely use the brake pedal.

[@Laykun9000]

Have the same in my Leaf 2018, I'd NEVER want to go back to a car that doesn't have one pedal driving.

[@alanmay7929]

Well the rav4 has over 600 miles of range and people actually like that they can bring wherever they want it even has better ground clearance

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

fast forward the model Y is the best selling car in the world. i got one as well, it's no comparison to the rav4 imo. rav is ancient tech and hybrid is peak inefficiency, but ppl fall for the trap, well, they start to get it now slowly. range is something non-ev owners think about, not an issue at all, i never think about it, i charge my Y once a week with the sun only, either saturday or sunday depending on sun. in reality you spend way more time refueling than charging. same on roadtrips, the charging is so fast, nothing to worry about. but then in europe we have a fantastic infrastructure. best thing is to try it out, this videos are meaningless really. @@alanmay7929

[@comickebs748]

Aww no "will the RAV4 drift".

[@emerced30]

The amount of the additional NJ / CO tax rebate is false. Please research for actual amount.

[@ernestbeggle1981]

It's puzzling to me that Toyota has yet to go the full EV route. Yes, there was the RAV4 EV, but that was a one-off CA compliance car with a Tesla powertrain. Toyota has built the Prius for over 20 years, so they have had an enormous amount of experience with hybrid powertrains. So what's keeping them from entering the EV arena? Do they think battery tech isn't there yet? Or are they convinced that fuel cells are where it's at?

[@harryhall197]

I agree. I love Toyotas and I too have been asking myself the same the question: why hasn't Toyota yet made a full EV?

[@aliakseiivanov7923]

I think Toyota is just waiting and getting ready to produce very good EV. Maybe they want to produce EV that can be affordable by most people instead of charging big premiums. Toyota's reputation is so good that they can wait 5 more years and present EV for about 20-25K and sell it in huge numbers. They were late entering ICE vehicle market (behind US and Europe), but now they world are leaders.

[@HVM_fi]

@@aliakseiivanov7923 Mr. Toyoda has his head so far down in the sand (or up his ass) that when they see that Toyota is going to same path as Kodak and Nokia; it's too late. "They [Tesla] aren't really making something that's real, people are just buying the recipe. We have the kitchen and chef, and we make real food." -Akio Toyoda

[@kens97sto171]

Toyota is not going to get fully involved until they see a market share large enough to make it profitable and worthwhile. They sell over 300,000 Corollas every year just in the United States. They sell about the same number of Toyota Camrys. That's the thing they manufacture on massive scales. Tesla is barely even profitable, no legacy manufacturer wants to get involved in something that is barely profitable. You also have to consider whether or not there is even enough resources to make enough batteries currently to even do it the answer is probably no. there are materials shortages already to make battery packs it's one of the things holding back the electric cars from Korea. the thing Tesla has in their back pocket is a massive amount of cash right now. I think they've done a fantastic job overall I like their power trains and battery technology but I absolutely detest their interiors and so do a lot of other people most people don't want to be driving a freaking spaceship they want a car that's familiar to what they already have. One thing Kyle forgot to mention was any ability to do any kind of off-roading. He did a road trip where he had to stop on a path because he didn't have enough ground clearance in his model 3. The model y would have the same problem because it doesn't really have any significant ground clearance. That RAV4 can go places you might not expect it is all-wheel drive and has ground clearance.

[@kens97sto171]

@@tranilator But see that's the thing it doesn't have to happen soon not really. They have years to worry about it being a serious threat period and they have the manufacturing capability to simply do a pretty quick switch over . Right now there isn't enough supply of battery raw materials to even do it if they decided to do it today so why bother do it at all. We have no idea what kinds of research and development are going on behind closed doors. Hydrogen seems the wrong direction to me, however it does have some positives. I suspect for the next 20 years or so we're going to see a mix of different types of power trains in use period that gives them plenty of time to see where the wind is going to blow permanently before jumping in and making a corporate decision.

[@tommays56]

Interesting with the plug in hybrids getting slammed for pollution levels above claimed have to see how far the claims against this tech go

[@alanmay7929]

The pollution level is just stupid and idiotic, people have been stealing prius catalytic converter because they have way more filtering and valuable materials, hybrids have significantly better efficiency than normal ICE

[@tommays56]

@@alanmay7929 The current issue is not about ICE but the claimed pollution levels of plug in hybrid vs real world

[@alanmay7929]

@@tommays56 which real world?! Toyota isnt a cheater like vw or other German manufacturer. The hybrids of toyota always had a more effective catalytic converter

[@alanmay7929]

@@tommays56 volvo hybrids uses both supercharged and turbocharged engines unlike toyota with a simpler/cleaner Atkinson cycle engine

[@para_dan]

The problem is not with Toyota. Look at Swiss and German manufacturers for cheating.

[@Chris-jt7xg]

I have an Outlander Plug-in. After my GF got a Tesla, I realized what a PITA it was to always be charging the tiny PHEV battery. I want to drive her car now. If you really want to go Electric, the Tesla has the range and chargers to do it, you won't regret it. Trading in my Outlander as soon as I can.

[@OutofSpecReviews]

I find the same thing about PHEVs! Always trying to charge. - Kyle

[@christinearmington]

But what about a 500 mile road trip? How many stops, for how long in the Tesla?

[@alanmay7929]

The toyota has around 600 miles of range and its a serious advantage for what it can achieve with higher ground clearance.......

[@stevemyers2092]

ah hellooo try resale value tesla's lose next to nothing toyota is one of the best also but dont discount teslas ability to keep its value 4 yrs 10% loss on the 3 and likely Y.

[@subbiahpalani]

@@nerdlywehunt but would you be able to drive a gas vehicle 10 years from now?

[@qqqwark]

Wtf? Why wouldn’t you be able to drive a gas car 10 years for now? There is a bigger chance you would not be able to drive an electric one

[@rncondie]

Toyota Tesla that takes me about 1 second Toyota

[@mattdecandia9607]

Been driving Toyota only since 1990 myself but the ev thing has got me thinking

[@wilsonhitchings6687]

I've owned over a dozen Toyotas, have one now, owned a Telsa for 5 years, takes less than a second - Tesla.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

oh it's no comparison, a rav4 feels like ancient compared to a Tesla, total no brainer. and the sales numbers show, tesla model Y best selling car of any kind in the world.

[@robertperry6048]

Go Full Electric ⚡️😎😎⚡️

[@alanmay7929]

Nope not necessarily

[@janozkk]

Price is closer than it is, I checked out the XSE, it was $49,000, and the Toyota dealer had a Mandatory $4,000 markup over MSRP ! Tesla Wins !

[@AriWilson]

still don't qualify for federal tax rebate

[@janozkk]

Ari Wilson the $7500 tax credit is diminished by the Toyota dealers $4,000 markup.

[@SSMARKK]

$7,500 federal tax rebate for Toyota is not an achievement, it is a shame! Meaning, Toyota sold less than 200,000 electrified vehicles in the US by this day.

[@para_dan]

Several dealers in California still charge MSRP or allow Costco discount.

[@janozkk]

Dan A they most probably exclude the RAV4 Prime (they would sell you a RAV 4 Hybrid below MSRP). Toyota just needs to supply more RAV4 Prime

[@TheXxxeeelll]

Why do you even comparing these two? Nonsense...

[@OutofSpecReviews]

I explain it up front. They’re actually pretty close on paper!

[@safedad1755]

I'm considering both. There must be at least some other buyers looking for plugins in the 40-60k range and have daily drives that are short enough that a PHEV would be acceptable even if we would prefer a BEV.

[@rncondie]

I agree Toyota is reliable Tesla is not

[@wilsonhitchings6687]

@@rncondie Based upon...what? Want to hear my Toyota reliability stories, and I've owned a dozen Toyotas? Want to compare a Toyota to a one-moving-part motor? Please cite your information sources for reliability.

[@User.2024.1]

2023 Santa Fe Hybrid is better than both of these.

[@wearetesla2820]

The performance is different I’n speed and faster so please don’t compare to long range there different for a reason and in price .

[@OutofSpecReviews]

Yes but we weren't talking about driving dynamics in this video so the car itself is identical (except for wheels, brake calipers, and metal pedals) which don't really play into anything in this walk around.

[@wearetesla2820]

@@OutofSpecReviews I understand thanks for the respectful feed back 👍✅new sub now . But can we see some races with the performance y

[@annaparker8234]

I would never buy a Tesla ever. So boring inside, so boring outside.

[@barryw9473]

Please don’t call both “electrified” as it plays into Toyota’s misinformation about “self charging hybrids”. When will the prime be available in Kentucky? Toyota does not want to sell this car based on their press releases.

[@alanmay7929]

Nonsense the rav4 prime is clearly a plugin vehicle not a self charging

[@barryw9473]

I understand the distinction. Toyota is using RAV4 Prime to argue against BEVs, just like they do with hybrids. I have not seen marketing for Prime yet but I bet it says you do not need to plug in.

[@barryw9473]

Taken from the Toyota website: "With up to an EPA-estimated 42-mile EV Mode driving range on a full charge, you could potentially drive using only electricity for short commutes." More Toyota BS. The average daily commute in the US is 30 miles. 42 miles is a long commute, yet Toyota wants to make you feel insecure about range by claiming 42 miles is short and by using subjunctive tense ("could") instead of using present tense ("can"). This all plays into Toyotas' refusal to build compelling BEVs that CAN easily replace fossil gobblers.

[@alanmay7929]

@@barryw9473 you're all talking nonsense, toyota already sells the lexus ux300e while finalising their mass production battery

[@barryw9473]

@@alanmay7929 You are the one talking nonsense. The ux300e has crappy range, no liquid pack cooling (will rapid gate like the Leaf), is crippled with a 50 kW CHAdeMO (dead standard in the EU, and 50 kW is too slow in 2020), and is made in extremely limited numbers. Toyota's "mass production" is also known as "make as few as absolutely possible." seekingalpha.com/article/4392733-toyotas-hybrid-focus-continues-and-bevs-get-neglected

[@wphubert]

There is a big disconnect to compare these two. The Prime has ground clearance and a demonstrated off road capability. The Tesla warranty is violated if you drive on an “unmade” road.

[@OutofSpecReviews]

Really? I’ve taken my Tesla way more off-road than most and it gets flung around the track nearly daily and my warranty is fine!

[@subbiahpalani]

You might want have a look at the “off road” capability of RAV4 prime mate.

[@wphubert]

@@OutofSpecReviews sure your warranty is fine. But wait til something goes wrong and they deny warranty coverage.

[@wphubert]

@@subbiahpalani Sure I don’t expect the capabilities of my Series 11 Land Rover. However ground clearance and wheel traction is good.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

traction is lightyears ahead in the tesla, not comparable at all@@wphubert

[@a_velis]

RIP RAV4 EV. The compliance car with a Tesla powertrain. Looks like Toyota basically said we can’t build an EV. Consumers will get a PHEV instead and have no other choice with the brand. I am truly disappointed with Toyota.

[@alanmay7929]

Bullshit, the toyota has over 600 miles of range and its a good plus for people who really need that it also has better ground clearance can be used as generator and way much more

[@wilsonhitchings6687]

@@alanmay7929 No, a hybrid has all the complexity of a gas car PLUS the added cost and complexity of an electric drive train, with little advantage of either. Need 600 mile range? That's 12 hours of highway driving; you drive 12 hours straight without a stop? Dangerous, to say the least. Foolish, to state the obvious. Want to go off-road? Buy an off-road vehicle because a RAV4 isn't it. I own one. It's a smallish hatchback and was never designed for off-roading to which you seem to compare it for.

[@alanmay7929]

@@wilsonhitchings6687 toyota has been making hybrid for decades and the system of toyota is very simple and much more reliable than other brands.

[@wilsonhitchings6687]

@@alanmay7929 WHO CARES about a hybrid? They're dead technology! I've owned a dozen Toyotas and I'll never buy another one. Do you have, say, a week, to hear about my quality control problems with my Toyota Sequoia? No thanks. Please compare the "very simple" Toyota hybrid system to a one-moving-part electric motor. G'head, I'm all ears.

[@wilsonhitchings6687]

@@alanmay7929 Hybrids have all the complexity of an ICE engine PLUS the added complexity of batteries. Keep trying to convince me that Toyota is making good decisions.

[@SSMARKK]

Tesla and Toyota have different missions. While Tesla aims to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy, Toyota Motor Corporation supports Trump emissions rules in California emissions lawsuit. This is all you need to know when choosing between Tesla and Toyota.

[@alanmay7929]

Nonsense, elon musk makes EVs but also uses fossil fuels for its rockets where's the hypocrisy here!

[@benjaminsmith2287]

Tesla aims to try to dominate the car market.

[@eap8317]

No comparison...is like comparing an abacus (that spews smog) with a smart phone... is this really what north-americans (not canadians or native americans) do when browsing for a new car? no wonder Trump has been your president for the past four years!

[@mamadouaziza2536]

Where have you been? Native Americans are just like everyone else, they are consumers too. Not everyone has $45k for the base model of the Model 'Y', people who only have $30k to $35k to spend don't have many options if they want a crossover EV. The iD.4 is starting to look good to me.

[@eap8317]

@@mamadouaziza2536 not the point. I'm referring to the comparison between an ICE car with a full EV, that is bonkers! Tesla cars are way ahead of any ICE car in many aspects and this comparison is never going to be fair as the architecture of both vehicles have been designed in a completely different way and they will be used and driven differently too. The RAV4 is more polluting, is way more expensive to run, needs more repairs of mechanical parts involving many kinds of fluids...anyway...comparing these two vehicles is just an excuse for some people to justify their lack of forward thinking and clinging to obsolete technologies... if many people cannot afford an EV yet is not the issue here...every year there are more and more options of EV cars that will cover most peoples' needs and budget...if you cannot afford an EV yet, try to stay with your current car, save more money and when the time comes buy an EV as most EVs will last you longer than any ICE car, just because the way EVs are designed and built!

[@larrysmith8426]

Jesus Loves You(John 3:1-21)

[@legacytesla]

Toyota has completely lost its competitive advantage from the early prius days. Tesla is on the leading edge meanwhile the CEO of Toyota has failed his company.

[@alanmay7929]

Are you dumb?! The rav4 prime has over 600 miles of range and people actually uses it for camping and going to remote places, the tesla can't do that it can't even go offroad. With the toyota you can even bring extra fuel and use the car as generator to power many devices

[@legacytesla]

@@alanmay7929 lol to all of that

[@wilsonhitchings6687]

@@alanmay7929 if you're going off-road, a RAV4 is the wrong vehicle (yes, I own one). I've been in towns so small and remote that they don't even have a gas station but by George they have the grid! Tesla has never marketed or designed their cars (yet) as off-roaders or camping vehicles.

[@alanmay7929]

@@wilsonhitchings6687 the toyota rav4 trd are specially made to further off the road than other rav4 including teslas, the rav4 has great ground clearance and I've seen people using them for overlanding

[@wilsonhitchings6687]

@@alanmay7929 I've driven my Honda Accord off road too, but that doesn't mean it's designed for that, nor should I compare it to an off-road vehicle. Stop grasping at straws to justify a gasoline car, please. Keep the family Oldsmobile, why don't you. I don't care "what you've seen" people do with a RAV4, I currently own my second RAV4 and have a Tesla. So until you own both, you should spend your time at the gas station inhaling the fumes.

[@homomorphic]

Part of the lifestyle change when you buy a Tesla is being happy with substandard build quality, poor reliability and expensive and lengthy repairs.

[@dbwelder9159]

And not having to either change the oil, take it in to have the oil changed, change the air filter, get the emissions tested, change belts etc. These all take time, so some minor inconveniences when receiving the car is minimal. And I would say the poor reliability that people talk about is really fit and finish issues.

[@homomorphic]

@@dbwelder9159 I don't have to do any of those things and my vehicle also has excellent build quality, has regular steel body construction that can be handled by any body shop, and is reliable (65,000 miles with not a single issue of any type).

[@dbwelder9159]

@@homomorphic Yeah, let's compare to a car that most people have today, not one that needs to stay in certain areas to refuel... How bout the convenience of "filling up?" Do it at home? And if you happen to have an accident that impacts the drivetrain, where are you going to get it fixed... Outside california? So I would say Mirai owners are willing to put up with the limited refueling sites, extremely limited service locations, expensive fuel, and basically no support beyond the state of California.

[@homomorphic]

@@dbwelder9159 perhaps, but those issues are solved by adding infrastructure, whereas a crappy car will always be a crappy car.

[@dbwelder9159]

@@homomorphic Right, Tesla has sold so many cars and has such loyal owners because the cars are Crappy. I bet you like Pelosi too!

[@archigoel]

Kyle, this was an embarrassing review. You must have read the recent study on "actual emissions" of PHEV. They have higher emissions in real life -- so the the primary reason to go EV, i.e. to reduce your carbon footprint will not be accomplished by PHEV. Also, you should not give people "pass" on lifestyle excuse. Slave owners had to undergo "drastic" lifestyle change, but US still forced the change because it was the moral thing to do. Reducing your emissions, is equally important (if not more). Also - you just skipped over Tesla's software - Autopilot (and FSD), infotainment, constantly expanding feature set of Tesla. IMO, they are the USP. Very strange!

[@OutofSpecReviews]

Yikes!

[@safedad1755]

The flipside is if you have very short commutes the difference would not be as substantial if you can avoid running the ICE. Also, the RAV4 Prime should be better in this case compared to the RAV4 Hybrid at least.

[@usmcrtr]

Because generating electricity does not cause pollution and other environmental damages. Stop giving yourself a pass. Start walking. It's the moral thing to do.

[@dbwelder9159]

@@usmcrtr Love the use of sarcasm! And equating slave ownership to producing slightly more oxides of nitrogen and CO2 is just plain ridiculous.

[@wphubert]

The Tesla is the “big dog”? The company treats its customers like bow wow ! Their idea of product testing is to let the public find out the wheels fall off. When you have a problem. There is no way to communicate with Tesla to get it fixed.

[@wilsonhitchings6687]

Hmmm...I've had a Model S for 5 years now, never had better service on any vehicle. I've owned a dozen Toyotas, a Mazda, a Honda, a Nissan and a Ford. Your "let the public test it" comment applies to GM and Toyota, not Tesla. Given legacy car makers having well over a century to get automobiles right, they should have it PERFECT, right? If so, why do they still have recalls? Want to hear my Toyota lack-of-quality stories?

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

yea, this Tesla is the best selling car in the world now, everything you said is complete and utter nonsense, simply not true.