Testing Aim Assist and Bullet Magnetism in Halo 3 PC!

[@ohno5507]

Look, Ma, I'm on KZbin!

[@Arrrash]

Hey look ma I’m famous

[@Z7Sakari]

Many players were ridiculed in the making of this video.

[@SherProductions11]

That test you did without touching the controller was actually interesting to see the reticle aiming at the head by itself, I actually didn't know that it could move by itself without touching the controller. Now I realize that why people love this so much.

[@Arrrash]

Yep! Thanks for watching Sher :). Hope the streams are going well!

[@riahisama]

love? you mean hate? aim assist should not be on PC

[@Ghanemq8]

"aiming at the head by itself" is a gross over-exaggeration.

[@gottakeepup]

@@Ghanemq8 na its facts! regardless 3 to the chest one in the head, you are more likely to consistently do that on controller than M and K

[@Ghanemq8]

Gottakeepup whatever helps you sleep at night 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@boredtolife7879]

Before watching this I wasn't too concerned about the ease of use that comes to controller players. After watching, I am terrified.

[@Beefnhammer]

Controller and Mouse/Keyboard players should be separated in matchmaking entirely. I'm assuming everyone is lumped together. (I don't play Halo on PC so I don't know). Maybe the thinking is that no amount of aim assist can give you an edge over a skilled mouse user but I find that hard to believe.

[@Evilbob1555]

@@Beefnhammer 343 has said they are working on an input-based matchmaking option and hope to release it by the end of the year. As of now, everyone is lumped in and there is no way of even telling who is using what input. It's definitely a hard thing to balance. If the AA is too powerful, then KBM users will suffer but the opposite is also an issue. In my experience, a skilled KBM player will top everything, but most people aren't pro players and controllers have the advantage in gunfights since they land their shots easier which gives them faster time to kills. KBM is very unforgiving, Summit1g has an interview where he talks about why he left MCC

[@milkman1649]

​@@Evilbob1555 or it should at least have an icon of a controller next to their name so the lobby can roast them.

[@hobiemurphy3325]

@@milkman1649 bruh halo was made to be played with a controller so stop being a elitist.

[@HaloDaycare]

@@Beefnhammer Im a year late but it's all good. The two inputs can't really be separated. As someone who always played controller for all the Halo games up until Halo Infinite, controller is much easier to use so most people just use a controller because it is the better option. Gamers are interesting people who claim their input is worse than the other input but then won't switch. I find this interesting as people will spend $500 on a gaming chair, $250+ on a controller/mouse/controller simply because we think it gives us an advantage. Nutty. Pretending mouse and keyboard in Halo is easier is adorable. Thing is, in MCC I know it to be fact that controller vs MNK are very well balanced. As much as I never wanted to admit it back in the day, aim assist is really strong but a good mouse and keyboard player can actually compete. MNK skill gap is far larger though so it takes far more time and dedication from my experience. I switched to keyboard a year and a few months ago and I now have 200 hours in aim trainers. Still struggle against your average controller kid which is embarrassing. As much as I fully recognize controller NEEDS aim assist, controller players without aim assist (using their own raw ability), I would be able to complete shred using my own raw ability

[@gottakeepup]

I lose br fights trying hard with mouse. using controller I dont even move my right stick and win fights like nothing :'/

[@dancingvalkyrie]

I literally just got back from playing H3 with a remote and you're absolutely right. With mnk, i have to try my absolute hardest to strafe and maintain my aim but with a remote, all i have to do is strafe while the aim assist does half the work.

[@gottakeepup]

@@dancingvalkyrie yes, strafing doesn't even matter, I'm over here strafing extremely randomly adding some crouch jumps to the mix but nothing lol locked on like glue while mouse compensating for your own strafes while catching enemies on top of br being 3 shot you need to make sure all 3 connect 4 times

[@monstaaa3]

M&K has a much higher advantage, It's ridiculous. Just because you play with a controller, doesn't make it easier, that is complete bs.

[@gottakeepup]

@@monstaaa3 I played halo 3 back then reached a rank of 45 in FFA and 47 on 360 In 4v4s I moved to PC started on csgo reached LEM third highest rank and as a McCree main on overwatch reached 4080 Sr peak top 1% having high skill in both I can compare at a high level and easily put controller on top of m&k comparing both switching back and forth each time I die. Sure I can 180 on a dime but by the time I do controller player is already locked on and no amount of strafing will help me as it the controller is locked and I am more likely to miss if I strafe while the enemy strafes now this is my opinion of course

[@gottakeepup]

Play a H3 hardcore match without aim assist Record it then play H3 hardcore match with aim assist and watch both gameplays and you will see how much help you get. Social playlist I don't care I want that tbh but I ranked keep it separated or turn it off for true competitive experience again just my opinion

[@BlueLightningSky]

Magnetism should never change with input devices. Think of magnetism as, this character has a bigger hitbox then what you see or this gun's bullets are actually tennis balls. It functionally similar to that except for a few edge cases like being around a corner.

[@full95one]

This is a well made, informative and objective video.

[@brucelee6415]

aim assist has turned halo on PC into an extremely toxic and horrible experience

[@yobobby9]

Can you do this for reach, h1 and h2. I feel like h2 is really bad. No other youtube videos on it

[@Arrrash]

Possibly :)

[@rickygforce4217]

It's because H2 has more muzzle flash from the barrel of your weapon, covering the crosshair, than Reach or H1 or H3. This is fine for controllers with aim assist, but destroys a mouse user's ability to concentrate.

[@anomalyinc3239]

im a controller guy, and lately i feel like controller aim assist is way too strong, like its jacked up on steroid if someone walks across my sight line while im shooting at someone else it will just rip me away from that gunfight and likely get me killed, anyway great video dude

[@TheMemeRepository]

It certainly feels like I get immediately sniped by controller players in the second it takes me to line up my shot.

[@anomalyinc3239]

@@TheMemeRepository dont i know you lol

[@TheMemeRepository]

@@anomalyinc3239 Maybe. XD

[@DogClutch]

@@TheMemeRepository you cant line up shots, you gotta snap.

[@TheMemeRepository]

@@DogClutch Most the time I do, but the second or two take for my brain to recognise there is an enemy player in front of me, they've magnitised onto my position and emptied my skull. At the very least, input-based matchmaking will eliminate this as an excuse. 😂

[@hughmungus6911]

Looking back on this stuff is funny, people were like "clearly it's no big deal, fun sticks are neato" and you look at the time line on the steam charts; the MCC died faster than a small child with Polio in 1810 and really only sees a resurgence when new titles slowly get added to the collection. Well, that can't last forever, and clearly the aim assist disparity is a problem.

[@Arrrash]

What do you think about these tests?

[@JAFdeS-vy2nz]

The tests look pretty good. Outside of that I guess it's just a matter of getting good at the game. There might be some room to argue about minor inconsistencies with the magnetism, but it has to be taken into account the player's skill in the game.

[@lilmixdboy]

Test MAGNETISM specifically without red reticle locked on between the 2. That's how you tell which input is broken

[@fleetze]

You should probably reiterate that mouse doesn't get aim assist and only gets magnetism. If that is the case. You kind of just said "it is what it is" but we don't know what it is that's why we're watching this video. At least have a small clip showing its not there at all if that is the case, which I'm assuming it is since I haven't felt it w/ mouse.

[@Arrrash]

@@fleetze correct mouse does not get aim assist but appears to get the same aim magnetism

[@o_o-037]

*"RED RIDICULE"* I'm sorry, what?

[@Arrrash]

Reticule plz no bully

[@trevorcamden352]

Arrrash reticle*** 👌 good video

[@AStupidNewb]

GRIIIIIFF

[@Joe-dx7ul]

Only controller players will say it's balanced. Lmao.

[@Joe-dx7ul]

How the fuck can it be balanced if one input has massive aim assist and the other doesn't? Controller players dumber than I thought.

[@mowsie2k492]

@@Joe-dx7ul are you talking to yourself?

[@redalertsteve_]

Joe it’s balanced and the fucking video proves it. Learn how to aim on before complaining

[@xaqzi4008]

A mouse is way easier to use than a knob with a thumb. Maybe get better aim on mnk and youll do better

[@znspyder]

@@xaqzi4008 sniper is op on mouse tbh

[@arbilarmsltd.president3437]

Being forced to play with aimassist players is currently my biggest grudge in mcc. But I guess Microsoft can't be blamed for a low M&K playercount.

[@dancingvalkyrie]

LMAO this isn't balanced whatsoever. I just played several rounds with a controller and my god the difference is literally night and day. With mnk, you're lucky if you even land 2/3 of the full BR burst shot but with a controller, you land the full burst shot almost 100% of the time. Aim assist and bullet magnetism is still broken for controllers and sadly i feel like the population for the game will die down once again.

[@Aldo-gd3ub]

please stfu you're dog shit with a controller too. "You're lucky if you even land 2/3 of the full be burst shot" yo kid are you retarded? You know knm has the advantage right? Yall move faster & aim like crazy from close & far rage. Y'all don't miss. Snipers too. It's ez af for you guys. Just stfu fr you're autistic af

[@jcam1987]

@@Aldo-gd3ub you don't know wtf you talking about. I was a 50 in H3 and Champ in Halo 5 team slayer and ffa. AA is really damn strong in H3 pc for controller. You will notice it once you get past mediocre ranks and start playing competent players that you can't win up close to mid range fights as much (which is most of the engagements). When AA is that strong when he isn't even using his thumbsticks then that's all you need to see. Try tracking shots against someone that doesn't have to be pin point precise as you and has 0 ms delay with AA,while you use a M&K and have a human reaction time of 200-300 ms to have to track them.

[@williamandres1042]

@@Aldo-gd3ub You didn't even understand the video, you're slow AF.

[@Ryuji225]

Bullet magnetism isnt the issue, that huge aim assist is... no wonder no mouse and keyboard player plays the game anymore. I literally have to bait shots to fight controller players and be annoying af to counter that aim assist

[@mr.dr.kaiser4912]

One *big* problem with your testing methodology is that you weren't moving the reticle when testing bullet magnetism. The more you move your reticle around on mkb the more broken bullet magnetism becomes, and the more of an advantage it becomes for controller users. Controllers don't have this issue at all. Also, at long ranges bullet magnetism is less consistent for mkb.

[@hospuk1714]

Yeah, trying to land BR and sniper shots out of rrr is very hard on M&K. Went from a score of +2 to +12 when swithing to controller again lmao

[@yobobby9]

The crosshair is way to big for the br and snipe on mouse, so much room for error in the middle of it

[@Arrrash]

Same issue we had with h2 tbh. Sad games like project carto can add a crosshair size adjuster but MCC can’t

[@rickygforce4217]

@@Arrrash H2's crosshair however is actually 1.5x larger than H3's

[@yorkshire_tea_innit8097]

agreed. It seems like Halo infinite have much smaller cross hairs. Possibly because they are attempting to make Infinite cross platform from the ground up.

[@AleK0451]

halo 3 battle rifle has projectiles, a likely explanation for the mouse being able to hit while running sideways, though i have no clue how fast they are and if they would hit while running that close together with the crosshair that far away

[@sreveley5377]

Great content! Subbed!! I have been playing halo since 1 and am so happy to have 3 on PC its the one I have been waiting for. Just curious if you knew if there was a reason not to run the game past 144fps? I heard that the devs had upgraded the animations up to 144 but i am running it at 240 and everything SEEMS fine. Just wondering if you had heard anything about high framerates causing problems? Also are you using a mouse or a controller? I had to go back to controller for this one just felt to good.

[@Arrrash]

So my pc is pretty crappy so pushing much over 144 fps can be a struggle and I only have a 144 hz monitor anyways so I don't have an answer for you there. I have not heard any downsides as long as the game feels nice atleast in halo 3, some of the other games have issues at unlocked framerates. I mostly play on controller unless I am just chilling in social.

[@mowsie2k492]

actually i can tell you; with higher than 60 fps there are desync issues in co op campaign. idk why but it crashes and lags unless everyone is on 60. i know that sounds nuts but look it up.

[@kevinsdead]

Very interesting to see. Good video Arrrash!

[@SageRap]

What kind of controller were you using for this test?? I have an off brand/generic usb controller that I bought off Amazon that I've been using for Halo 3 MCC PC, and there is NO aim assist whatsoever and it's driving me crazy! I can't hit anyone to save my freakin life... Do you know if that could be because of the controller not being an actual xbox controller??

[@Arrrash]

I use a basic Xbox one controller, I’m not sure about that issue tho :(

[@blazestation408]

@ 2:32 test you can see that the controller hit reg counts on couple of shots even if the reticule is not red while the pc mouse the first shot were the reticule is not red it didn't count and the rest of the shots were ALL red they counted also the fire rate was a lot slower to make sure shots hit.....so no the bullet magnetism is not the same and is less on mouse and probably a smaller hotbox too. On top of all this a bit of lag and the mouse players are f@@@ed cause you can't adjust to that

[@HevyDevyD]

Hey Arrrash could you possibly look into if the aim assist "strength" scales differently with different frame rates? I've heard rumors that Halo's aim assist systems are tied into the games internal clock and by extension the frame rate, so that higher the frame rate, the higher the "strength" of the aim assist

[@ciro7765]

Can you make a video comparing the use of controller VS keyboard? I'm still getting used to play halo on keyboard instead of controller, and I'm not sure yet which one is the best option

[@Arrrash]

do you mean like regular gameplay?

[@ciro7765]

@@Arrrash yeah, i mean, not just gameplay footage but maybe also talking about on how different it feels to play on both, advantages or disadvantages of each one, etc. I'm bringing this up because although I have more experience playing FPS on keyboard, I'm still feeling a little weird about not playing halo on a controller, and I wonder if this game can really adapt 100% to keyboard or if it's just that I'm not used to it. Anyways, I tried searching videos comparing both and apparently there is none, so I think it's a good ideia to a video

[@Arrrash]

I did a video during Halo 2 titled Aim Assist Will Kill Halo on Pc. Check that out it might have some of the points you are looking for

[@heeyitsfozzy]

Are there any recommended game settings for aiming on mouse? Eg classic vs modern aiming setting

[@Arrrash]

Classic vs modern is a setting for controllers

[@RepublicanGuardMan]

Did ya check out warmerise?

[@lilmixdboy]

Lmao to the noobs I told you, you do get magnetism and aim assist out of red reticle range... Magnetism needs to be tested without red reticle... That's you see the brokenness on controller

[@lilmixdboy]

To test if this is halo 3 br magnetism we need a Reach/ Classic 2 magnetism & assist video. thanks

[@Phoenix-214]

@@lilmixdboy Here from like a year in the future: According to testers, Halo Infinite has perhaps the most dialed-back aim assist in the franchise's history, to the point that even Destiny players find the relative aim assist and magnetism to be low. Perhaps upon Infinite's launch, we'll see a shift in the franchise's paradigm for input methods?

[@lilmixdboy]

@@Phoenix-214 I heard but didnt get the chance to play after downloading

[@Allmageddon343]

It's not the magnetism that's the problem, it's the controller tracking your head with literally zero input from the player where as MK players have to track manually

[@milkman1649]

2:25 I never see that headshot animation in game on pc

[@Beefnhammer]

I've often wondered, would shooters be unplayable on controller without aim assist?

[@Evilbob1555]

You can try for yourself, there's a skull in Halo 2 campaign that removes aim assist, certainly makes it feel clunky

[@115zombies935]

Without any aim assist? Yes, it’d be pretty horrible. Even games that have the option to turn aim assist off never actually totally disable all parts of aim assist. Shooters probably wouldn’t be unplayable with a controller with no aim assist, but they wouldn’t be very fun and would feel very clunky.

[@hospuk1714]

Try to complete "Sacred icon" on heroic with the no aim assist skull, those infection forms are very f hard to kill with precision weapons

[@KenpahchiTV]

Does this work for snipers as well?

[@o_o-037]

I'm getting constantly 2-shotted by BRs in under 0.25s in Hardcore Halo 3. Dafuq is going on?

[@Arrrash]

You commented this on my other video. I don’t think it’s happening. Are you getting shot by multiple people? Do you have clips of this happening?

[@o_o-037]

@@Arrrash I'll try to get footage. Probably just a Nocebo effect (Oppostite of placebo). Plus it's only been like 2 days since the game came out. Maybe I'm just overreacting.

[@rickygforce4217]

@@o_o-037 You're either getting team-shot or a grenade snuck into your area-of-effect without noticing, grenades in H3 can be quiet sometimes.

[@Aldo-gd3ub]

you're dog shit bud get better

[@mangoslice6319]

Team shot or like someone mentioned you got shot at the same time a grenade hit

[@Mythbuster3808]

Im fine with the controllers having a little assist on pc just glad we have equal magnetism, giving the controller more magnetism than mouse would be too much.

[@dancingvalkyrie]

Are you a moron? Mnk literally has no magnetism whatsoever. No assist either. It's basically pure luck if you managed to land your BR shots.

[@danielweber4961]

@@dancingvalkyrie pure luck? Or skill...

[@dancingvalkyrie]

@@danielweber4961 Luck fool

[@redalertsteve_]

DancingValkyrie so basically, you suck at halo 3.

[@arbi018]

Idk the magnetism, l've had red reticle and the game wont "suck" bullets in with mouse, ofc this game feels way more balanced than halo reach, halo reach is just a joke on aimbot assist

[@trblemayker5157]

I'll wait till they add seperate lobbies based on controller type.

[@Arrrash]

Gotta split out the PS4 noobs from the xbone controllers ya know? :)

[@trblemayker5157]

@@Arrrash Trackball from mouse lol.

[@mowsie2k492]

@@trblemayker5157 so there'd be 5 people in the trackball queue and theyd never find a match but okay

[@Crowfist]

still aint happened. i would pay another 50 bucks to have that seperate playlists at this point. even the most greenhorn players are hitting 4 shot dmr kills while im sprinting and serpentining. and they legit think they are good. its ridiculous. while i strafe back and forth to dodge shots it makes it harder for me to aim, but they get an advantage while doing the same thing. its become just a joke for me. ive become a toxic and valueless player because its just useless to try to outplay someone on kbm when they are on controller. why fight a losing battle when i can have more fun being a troll? i just play campaign now.

[@ChEILoZ]

Honestly it's killing Halo on pc, doesn't matter what game they release on Mcc, they're all plagued with aim assist. There's never any discernible differences in skill anymore, every Br fight you walk away with no shields or you die unless of course you get like 2 shots in before they return fire. Aim assist worked great for the 360 since you had such a hard time aiming with a controller but now everyone can aim a lot more easy plus they get this ridicules aim assist which in any other shooter would be considered half a aimbot

[@redalertsteve_]

Just practice with the MnK. I’m tired of people complaining that they ain’t good off the bat.

[@ChEILoZ]

@@redalertsteve_ Practice? That's your response when even 343 has gone out and said that they will fix things? Rich. Also how come I have zero issues with other shooter titles on PC then?

[@l4l01234]

You just suck at the game dude. Learn to fucking play, aim assist helps you just as much with mouse and keyboard and aiming is by far easier with mouse compared to a controller. Maybe spend less time bitching about 343 and more time practicing and you won’t get owned so hard

[@williamandres1042]

@@l4l01234 You are a lame controller user... Truth hurts eh?

[@williamandres1042]

I think the same... Ruined the competitive aspect of the games. You could be a very good player, but there will be still a controller user playing with that huge advantage. Worst of all is they think they're the best players LOL

[@LaurensPP]

I wish there would be a playlist without aim assist and magnetism at all.

[@yorkshire_tea_innit8097]

you can matchmake based on input.

[@constantino7917]

"ridicule" lol

[@Noel-bi5to]

VERY interesting...

[@homegrown6845]

When controller players on Social or the forums tell me to 'Git gud', I show them this.

[@TOCS94]

Can you please do the test with zoomed weapons? I have a strange feeling the magnetism/spread is totally messed up on PC with mouse and keyboard.

[@Arrrash]

Do you just mean the sniper?

[@TOCS94]

@@Arrrash I was a little vague, sorry, I actually just meant using the BR zoomed in on mouse and keyboard. Bullets seem to land way more consistently when not using zoom. It feels especially apparent in SWAT.

[@arbi018]

And for sniper idk if they kept the original halo 3 sniper. It was the wep with almost non existent aim assist, so in the original halo 3 you had to aim with the sniper in order to get kills

[@rheubrheub6651]

Aim assist it bullshit if you play swat long range controller wins 90% of the time

[@dillonbelcher2559]

"balanced" the game plays for you with a controller

[@Joe-dx7ul]

@Dont Mind me ???????? actually stupid

[@redalertsteve_]

Joe basically he said that people have more skill than others.

[@xaqzi4008]

You pc players act like all controller players do is aim and shoot and can just never die cause its impossible to miss. Skill still plays a big part. Map knowledge, spawns, how to move around the map, where to peak, etc. Just because youre shit at the game doesnt mean that all controller players are bad too

[@shubhtewari4358]

Hey buddy try with shotgun ,smg and magnum(at long range) Let's see how the bullet spread and ttk are for both inputs

[@115zombies935]

They’re the same.

[@el182]

I snipe nasty with a mouse. With a controller my br is better tho

[@Arrrash]

Same pretty much

[@williamandres1042]

Imagine thinking you're good while playing with controller plus aim assitance LOL Such a shame that kind of players are a plague in nowadays multiplayer experience... Ruined it.

[@Cirillian]

Yo i heard that Ciri guy is a big chad who uses mnkb.

[@Arrrash]

Mnkb bad. Controller good

[@rickygforce4217]

Hey Arrrash, did you see the new Halo Infinite official gifs/photos?

[@Arrrash]

I saw the pic of master chief if that’s what you are referring to

[@rickygforce4217]

@@Arrrash They slightly darkened the E3 2019 armor and improved how it reacts to the lighting, it's got literally the same exact shade as the 2/3 armor now

[@b2rEaCdLA]

Does controller aim assist also exist for snipers?

[@Arrrash]

yeah, i should have included that probably

[@dascar92]

Why can't I find aim assist in the gameplay menu?

[@Arrrash]

What do you mean

[@dascar92]

Arrrash I tried doing exactly what you did, have some walk back and forth in front of me whiteout me touching the controller and it did not track them at all.

[@Arrrash]

Did you make sure you used the controller prior so the game knew you were using a controller as an input method

[@dascar92]

@@Arrrash Yes, controller is my primary input. Tried changing all sorts of settings and even resetting all settings and it would not attract to the other player unless I moved the analog stick toward them. I just uploaded a video showing the issue. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oITbk6qsbpZ4rNU

[@Arrrash]

@@dascar92 huh wtf. I watched your clip and I am really confused tbh. Maybe try putting a ticket in idk :/

[@erikboesephoto]

Is stickiness different for mouse though? That's only thing you didn't test.

[@Arrrash]

Mouse doesn’t have any it’s all manual

[@re4thewin]

shotreg is broken :crab:

[@CR0WYT]

Halo 3 is probably the closest thing we're gonna get when it comes to balancing M/K and controllers.

[@MartinezVM]

Naaah, H2A and CE are the closest things balancing MKB against Controller.

[@CR0WYT]

@@MartinezVM CE I can agree, but 2A is literally unplayable on M/K. It's probably the least balanced out of the 5 games.

[@MartinezVM]

@@CR0WYT lmao if you feel unplayable H2A, don't ever touch Halo 3, cause is the most broken game in MCC cause aim assist is like 2 o 3 time stronger than in H2A

[@CR0WYT]

@@MartinezVM Are you high? The AA is weaker in 3 since the game is projectile based. H2A has the strongest AA in the game since it's hitscan based.

[@MartinezVM]

@@CR0WYT but the movement is slower, so you opponent has so much time and space to have his aim assisted Crosshair on you. And yes is projectile based, but the game has heavy lag compensation, you'll hit then even leaving you crosshair position just behind them

[@justfitz08]

I want to see tests of someone trying to hit a player trying to dodge their shots on both inputs. The way the two inputs play is so different, so I'd like a to see practical tests done by a player that's competent on both inputs. Basically I want to see a simulation of situations you might see in game and how each input performs.

[@Arrrash]

That’s something I could easily do because I’ve played a bunch of Halo on both input methods, I just didn’t include it because I figured it was too subjective (is that the right word?). Basically my footage taking gunfights with. It’s input methods will be totally different then yours or any other players so I tried to stick to test that took all of that out. Maybe if I do the other games I include clips of real gunfights tho

[@justfitz08]

@@Arrrash It most definitely is a subjective test because how could someone "prove" they are the same skill with both inputs. It's practically impossible. I'd still love to see how others are handling tracking targets with the BR on MKB in a controlled environment vs how they track with the controller. Like I said, itd be preferred if it was in a controlled environment with no pressure.

[@justfitz08]

The reason I ask is because MKB tends to play a bit "snappier" than pad. Players on MKB dont tend to do as much careful tracking of a moving target at closer ranges. Pad players tend to naturally and carefully sort of track their targets movements at closer ranges, and I was curious if that was having a negative impact on the hit registration for MKB players.

[@connorcampbell5274]

@@justfitz08 Are you daft? Controller players "track" more carefully because the game is literally doing it for them. Tracking that smoothly on kb/m is ridiculously hard. Like, professional gaming good. It's easier and faster to make corrections; that's what gives kb/m it's edge over controller. But the aim assist in Halo is absolutely absurd. When everyone is on a level playing field (ie, everyone has a controller) it's fine. There's not a level playing field right now.

[@lilmixdboy]

@@justfitz08 lol you dont do any real tracking with a controller stop it. Tracking involves doing multiple micro corrections to your crosshair. Meanwhile on controller you barely touch the right stick at all. Its more about timing your shots

[@Airstrike_snoozed_them]

So yeah aim assist is basically aimbot in Halo. There's literally types of aimbot called "softaim" that slightly assist you while aiming. That's literally what this is. The fact you can aim with someone moving without touching the controller is insane. This is why halo is unplayable on Kbam

[@aransahebi7162]

it's so fucking pathetic that developers are still implementing aim assist when controller players can just play with gyro and still compete with mouse and key players

[@ImN0tYourGuy]

Nice breakdown. I have had the chance to really do any testing myself, but I may switch back to mkb for halo3. It seems pretty balanced. Im curious though, do u think since the bullet magnetism is nearly the same mkb might have a slight advantage in halo 3?

[@Arrrash]

Eh idk if I’d really say they have an advantage just because it is still hard to be totally consistent in close to mid range br fights on mkb. It seems pretty even tho

[@LogosLFTG]

This is definitely more than the original game right?

[@arbi018]

No, original halo 3 had a way stronger magnetism and assist

[@LogosLFTG]

@@arbi018 theres no way. I struggle not to 4 shot

[@yorkshire_tea_innit8097]

They say it's exactly the same. The difference could be more to do witih dedicated servers given that H3 had a terrible net code and the old days were a lot laggier.

[@nerdcuddles7731]

343 remove bullet magnetism for fuck sake

[@rollson1]

you can now have it on M+K

[@GraphicalMadness]

Good tests but It would have been nice to see the magnetism tests done at medium and longer ranges

[@PwnageJ]

In sniping n swat games, keyboard n mouse stands no chance against controllers.

[@yorkshire_tea_innit8097]

why would tracking aim assist help you with a 1-shot kill game type?

[@OmegaF77]

So that's why it feels more fair to play MKB on Halo 3...

[@Joe-dx7ul]

Lmao, meanwhile us hand-eye players, dont get any of that overpowered shit. We m&k players don't need the game to play for us.

[@redalertsteve_]

M&k has bullet magnetism. Your comment makes no sense

[@xaqzi4008]

Not only does it still have bullet magnetism but its way easier to control a mouse than a thumbstick. Yeah controller has easier movement but not aim. Hence the aim assist.

[@dphotonic]

@@xaqzi4008 it's broken in it's current state. Aim assist is a huge advantage when tracking and strafing is a core element of the gameplay. I don't think it should be removed entirely but there's definitely some balancing issues that need to be addressed (but they probably never will be addressed, because let's be honest, it's 343)

[@старшийсержант-л7ш]

bullet magnetism is the same i was always saying that its just the bit of stickiness ( in fsct 343 made big article about that explaining clearly that magnetism is the same , if it would be more it would simply be unfair ). controller player still have for got hits land the bullets in center and in H3 of course taking bullet lead to target into account. the reason i use controller for my high level play is not that basicly irrelevant stickiness ( in fact mouse is way more precise for that and in sniper swat matches i prefer that input because of that ) but the huge movement advantage i have with the controller due to having a stick( being able to regulate speed of movement , easier to fake etc ) and all controll inputs basicly already reached. example high level br battle on absolute flat terrain nothing special. the br aim at high level is basicly equal what decides who wins that battle is usually the one with the better strafe / movement. also nothing against new players that came to halo but acusing the other of playing with a controller seems a excuse for players who simply suck ( talking about social here ). they dont even know what input i used in that match. most of the time the lose against me because their strafe sucks or they dont strafe at all. dont get me wrong i have no problem with input matchmaking but for real people need to stop to claim that somehow that bit of stickiness is the difference between loss and win as it is simply not true. those people are simply not used to the halo gameplay , also turn down your dpi / sense down guys , halo isnt a flick shooter ( except snipers and swat )

[@JuanHernandez-ze3si]

I'm the only one that notices that this game is NOT BALANCED?. This video proves that look at the test with the DMR rifle, you had to shoot a couple of more times than with controller in order to get the kill.

[@ICantMeow]

Good to see a game that seems reasonably balanced between mouse and controller instead of one being very clearly superior over the other

[@dancingvalkyrie]

@@hatetheclouds190 Lmao reasonably balanced??? Quit being such a clown.

[@Aldo-gd3ub]

@@dancingvalkyrie stfu

[@mowsie2k492]

@@hatetheclouds190 boohoo

[@mowsie2k492]

agreed its great, these jokers are just mad they get roflstomped by more skilled players

[@mowsie2k492]

@@dancingvalkyrie found the guy who gets stomped in pubs and cries

[@jeffreybella4521]

Aim assist isnt even close to balanced

[@tzarvolver]

boy if you don't learn how to saw reticle

[@Arrrash]

It’s never happening :(

[@TomBombadilTheEldest]

aim assist has no place in any pc game whatsoever and fps have no place with controllers

[@Masternaldo]

This is why console is for kids

[@NicholasBrakespear]

The aim assist is way, way too strong considering that if you're a mouse and keyboard user, the game gives you no warnings about the fact that by default you'll be pitted against people with an aimbot. So instead we naively leap into games, get absolutely steamrolled, and have to figure out why. How many players on PC... stopped playing the game, because they couldn't figure out why it felt like they were fighting against people using an aimbot?

[@inventionscreator8875]

agree, thats why I was genious at halo 3 xbox 360 and I suck at mcc (although, only on halo 3 and 1. I'm pretty decent in any other halo)

[@Juanixtec]

Aim assist in halo reach IS absolutely overpowered because of bloom, In PC bloom punishes hard for firing too much and the precision penalty is noticeable, in a console you can fire much faster because aim assist will correct the course of some of the stray bullets, it's frustrating and hard.

[@l4l01234]

Lmao half the comments are just shit players bitching about how controller is OP and frame rate makes their aim bot better and the sun was in their eyes and a million fucking excuse for why they suck at the game. Just get good and stop blaming it on bullshit reasons that don’t exist

[@williamandres1042]

Problem is you can be good but still there will be players with the advantage of the controller thinking they are the best LOL. It's simple, why your brain doesn't get it?

[@TekMoliGy]

you keep saying ridicule.. its ret ih cole

[@Arrrash]

English is hard

[@kevinsei9435]

Did you notice any aim assist for mouse?

[@Arrrash]

None

[@kevinsei9435]

Arrrash lol no wonder I have to concentrate so hard in a BR fight. Just got to get better.

[@Aldo-gd3ub]

@@kevinsei9435 yeah you really do need to get better buddy

[@kevinsei9435]

@@Aldo-gd3ub I win most of my game and usually top frag. Almost got a 2 KD. Just want to consistently 4 shot in every BR fight.

[@acetown2263]

Magenetism is fine, it keeps controller players on an even playing field with mouse users.

[@garbygarb31]

It's pronounced ret i kul. not ridicule jesus christ

[@Arrrash]

youll be okay

[@angelsideuk6197]

TLDR use a controller lmao

[@Tinkuwu]

A lot of people see this and think "Aimbot for controllers", but what I see is more of a guiding hand for controllers, so they don't under or overshoot their shots, which can still happen if they don't know how their aim assist works, but they still need to do things like aim for head level, and keep track of a moving target, because not every target is going to run in a straight line. There's other mechanics they need to know about too, like their melee range, or grenades. There's just so much that goes into a fight in Halo that just having aim assist doesn't make you instantly win. A mouse and keyboard user who can track heads will be able to beat a controller user who cannot, every time, if it were just a battle of shooting each other, but a controller player who can track the head of a mouse and keyboard user, while the mouse and keyboard user cannot, for some reason, people call it "unfair" and blame the aim assist.

[@FLy1nRabBit]

Meh, SWAT and snipers are still practically cheating with a mouse, and if you've played FPSs long enough with them Halo is one of the easiest games to keep your aim on the enemy, with the added advantage of being able to flick and win close engagements by keeping your aim on an enemy while jumping since a controller stick can't keep up when you're above or below them.

[@Arrrash]

Swat and snipers are definitely game modes that favor mouse and keyboard. Generally when people say aim assist is too strong they mean the core Halo game modes

[@disfuncionexe]

huh I thought there wasn't any on pc

[@Arrrash]

Haha you funny

[@disfuncionexe]

@@Arrrash I genuinely didn't know. also how come some guns are way more accurate then their reticles would indicate? the plasma pistol has like no bullet spread but its reticle makes it look like it has horrible range. all these aim assist things are foreign to me as a pc gamer.