Testing Different Shotgun Ammo In Ballistics Gel with Matt Haught

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[@RightWingNutter]

One small/medium heavy duty tarp would cost a fraction of one gel block and keep them clean when they get knocked off.

[@ForFucksSake57591]

Ya that’s a damn good idea.

[@pcnorton]

I mentioned this before. I think the blocks need to be anchored down. It under cuts penetration. Energy is dumped and moves the block rather than pushing through. At least thats my working theory.

[@SnapD24]

That's not theory. That's just plain physics. However, I'm pretty sure a real-world meat target would be moved as well.

[@pcnorton]

@@SnapD24 not as easily

[@SnapD24]

@@pcnorton For sure. It's all momentum.

[@pcnorton]

@@SnapD24 when you say real world, I think 180 lbs and moving that versus a block of gelatin is harder

[@R_K_S2401]

I am most certain an attacker won't shrug off 27 #4 Buck pellets at close range because the pellets only penetrated 10 inches deep. plus #4 buckshot is better for people who live in houses with extremely thin walls. Like I do. I will take the bare minimum of penetration on a fleshy Target in exchange that the pellets won't exit the bad guy and go through 10 walls. Garandthumb tested many bullets through drywall, and 00 Buck went through all 8 test walls. I would assume #4 buck goes to the less, purely because the pellets are smaller and lighter.

[@ASPextra]

They’re still lethal through at least two full walls though so recognize your home is likely not 3 rooms wide or more.

[@SVTBansheeman]

It seems a lot of people in the comments are missing the point. The point is to pattern the shotgun YOU own and see which ammo works best for YOUR situation. Of course there's a lot of aspects left out. They can't all be addressed. Great video👍

[@benjammin7993]

I prefer tests done with groceries

[@adamr9720]

Damn you beat me Ben:-)

[@cmdrenchilada5049]

Blast... didn't see this till I'd already posted. :)

[@PenguinOverlord]

People aren’t groceries, mate

[@adamr9720]

@@PenguinOverlord They aren't gelatin either and also Ben was being funny mate!

[@PenguinOverlord]

Adam R I was half-joking too, I was borrowing a quote from a deleted scene in Pirates of the Caribbean (where Jack Sparrow says “People aren’t cargo, mate.)

[@northernwesty]

only time i prefer the 3" shell is with slugs. There is a significant speed trajectory difference between the different sized slug shells

[@Baurakale777]

You only had #4 and 00. I would be interested to see the #3 and #1 buck rounds as well.

[@ASPextra]

Those are both darn near impossible to find right now. Heck, finding #4 is almost impossible!!

[@Baurakale777]

@@ASPextra I have a hookup who makes custom shotgun ammo and sells lead shot #4 buck to 000 at the same price as Cabelas did before Covid. 15 lbs of that will keep your self-defense stash adequate. That being said, I opted for 00.

[@boom_911]

​@Baurakale777 does your friend have a website or name where he could be founs?

[@stevenkennedy4130]

Shockwave + Opsol Mini Clip + Aguila mini buckshot. Nuff said! Thanks for the fun content!!

[@Frenchfrys17]

I'm pretty sure the purpose of the 15 pellet 3 inch magnum is to put 15 pellets into the target instead of 8 or 9. Which means 60% more wound channels and 60% more chance of hitting something vital.

[@ASPextra]

But also significantly harder to follow up or transition, and no additional terminal effect difference.

[@LoneWulf66]

Yep, that's why my shotgun is loaded with those exact remington magnum rounds. Also, I want the pellets to deform, I think most of the deformation happens on impact. They also spread out more, which also is a good thing in my opinion.

[@brandonbowerstx]

0:22 Seeing Tula 9mm at 15 cents a round. "Remember the good old days when ammo was cheap? Pepperidge Farm remembers"

[@ASPextra]

Alas.

[@bebop_557]

Federal loads some copper plated No.4 buck (PD256) which I like a lot. Kicks a noticeable amount harder than most any 00 buck though, and I wouldn't recommend it to someone new to shotguns. Me, I love it especially since I live in an apartment with neighbors on either side of me. But that's the world of firearms for you- it's infinitely subjective and what works for Person A vs Person B isn't likely a 1:1.

[@08091981]

Im a big fan of the flight control but when I can find it I really like #1

[@ASPextra]

They don’t make it anymore.

[@08091981]

@@ASPextra That is to bad and also explains why it got so hard to find.

[@dennisrocha3709]

Federal flight control is not found very often in most stores. However where I live in Austin TX we have a store that services LE and also sells to the public. They always have it stocked. It is where I buy all my ammo because they sell the good stuff.

[@johnkiser8999]

I love that you belittle Paul and his meat target but didn’t learn that a 12 gauge will knock those blocks into the dirt every time. Super scientific. You are great at breaking down videos and I give you a thumbs up on every one. You should stick to what you are good at.

[@pollodormido2]

Having fun with shotguns during the apocalypsis. 😎

[@matthewwilliams4785]

Regular ol’ 9 pellet 00 buck works just fine. I love 12 gauge shotguns because they are a nasty home defense weapon.

[@rdh5961]

What do you think of the 590A1?

[@kelohonka4674]

Why shoot so close and not from seven yards away? Because the fbi has spent decades telling us that is the mean distance for a lethal confrontation.

[@elund408]

to keep the pattern tight enough that it hits the Gel block.

[@chuckhaggard1584]

The FBI says no such thing

[@pcnorton]

Cause seve yard is a long shot inside a house, unless you live in stately wyane manor.

[@kelohonka4674]

@@chuckhaggard1584 Are you saying Paul Harrell is full of shit?

[@ExceptionalPleb]

He asked for this....

[@Monster11B]

Good comparison test. Good medium for side by side. Now take the flight control and hit a meat target for terminal performance.

[@emmettjenkins8026]

Where's the beef?

[@johnkeisterelquattro2553]

The whole point of ballistics gel is to show bullet expansion and deformation. Groceries do simulate better. Actual flesh/meat and bone shows a much better and much more realistic test to human flesh/meat and bone. I guess though that ballistic gel makes your tests cooler and more tacticool so OBVIOUSLY it MUST be more legit!! 🙄🙄

[@HK-qj4im]

Some call Paul ( Harrel)

[@johnpermabullsmith875]

You're not understanding the point of ballistic gel. Calibrated gel is a repeatable medium for testing. Throughout 40 years, penetration standards of 12-18 inches has been determined to be reliable for an incapacitating shot. Layers of demin are used with hollow point rounds to test its ability to not get clogged and still expand. Gel also like you said, captures the bullet for examining the deformation. Meat targets are more variable, and is at best, a speculation of what may happen. Meanwhile results from ballistic gel is much more accurate and repeatable.

[@SnapD24]

This is the sort of info I love.

[@Scaliad]

I'd like to see what those loads would do in something more like real world meat targets...

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

Troll game : A+ 👍

[@ASPextra]

Obvious troll is obvious. ;)

[@Scaliad]

@josh major Thanks! Always trying to do my part!

[@Scaliad]

@@ASPextra I wasn't trying to be subtle...

[@Scaliad]

@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 I appreciate the high grade!

[@bretkoesser]

You didn't mention which #4b loads you used. I'm assuming that you're using one that has an initial velocity 1100-1200 fps. For defensive purposes, I think that Hornady Varmint Express #4b advertises 1350 fps.

[@AK-47ISTHEWAY]

No the Hornady Varmint Express is a full power a hunting load. That's just going to over-penetrate. Stick with lower velocity buckshot.

[@cgsimons1187]

That Hornady #4 buck would be an interesting one to try. To see if that addition few hundred feet per second can push the shot past the 12" mark.

[@carlspackler9550]

Tip. a few bungie tie down on the gel will help. Tape will just be ripped

[@perspicacity89]

Would you please test Hornady Black Full Power 2-3/4 00 Buckshot? Thanks.

[@penelopicruze9568]

Lmao got them all foggy on the first shot. shoulda put a blanket down there

[@nicholasgunn649]

John what about one of these shotguns like the the rock island armory for example (I know their not the top end but for this example it the only one I can think of) that have the magazines for home defense?

[@jeffb1315]

I'm still waiting on a jell block to brake into some ones house. Then we will know what load can really stop it.

[@MadGoat360]

Just pour water on the blocks if they get dirty or if they're foggy

[@johnparker8825]

That looks like fun! Now do it with the different 1 3/4" (shorty/mini) shotgun shells. 😄

[@ASPextra]

They don’t run well in most guns.

[@robertlemaster7525]

@@ASPextra Mossberg with the opsol adapter, or Winchester 1300's work with them.

[@southernlonghorn4507]

@@robertlemaster7525 Yep…have my Mossberg with Opsol adapter next to the bed. They function very well through my gun and allow 12+1 capacity IN the gun. I keep another 7 ON gun in a shot card. That’s 20 rounds of “shorty” 12 gauge ready for the perps. It definitely helps address one of the few negatives of a defensive shotgun (low capacity).

[@southernlonghorn4507]

@@CHAOSMOVEMENT LOL…some serious BIG problems have arrived if 6 rounds of 12 gauge buck doesn’t handle it. I agree though…my AK, AR, and pistol carbine are all very close at hand if my shotty and 9mm pistol can’t handle the threat(s).

[@mikeemery3937]

interesting that the first shot dropped the gel. what was the cavitation like, wasn't that clear. could you fill the gel post shot with a liquid dye??

[@ASPextra]

Hopefully next time we just put out a dang blanket and don't have the dirt on it lol.

[@cgsimons1187]

I believe that was due to all the energy being dumped into the first block.

[@atumre4705]

Great video. It would be great if you guys could do 20 gauge next.

[@ASPextra]

It's on the agenda...gotta find some 20ga defensive rounds though!

[@theanxious]

I agree! Everyone in my house, including my wife and daughter, can very proficiently run our 20 guage shotgun. After testing I find even I can get more shots on target, more accurately and faster with the 20 guage. Not much lead is lost over the 12 guage if you find the right shells either. I personally reload myself and have lots of long tested loads for 20 guage. My favorite factory shell is the federal premium 3" #1 buck shell. I always advocate for the use of the 20 guage now. I know my wife and daughter CAN shoot 12 guage, but they don't like to. Give them the 20 guage and they both turn into Annie Oakley 😆 Its comforting to know that either one could absolutely protect our home and themselves without me around... and with a very suitable firearm.

[@broot1375]

Are they trying to tell me that a particular type of 12 gauge 00 buck shot from 5 feet away wouldnt be effective???? Thanks guys....I havent laughed that hard in a long time....

[@nelsonr1467]

Was that the low recoil flight control?

[@craiglewis8272]

Did you even watch the video?

[@mattlord2906]

5 bucks for a large moving blanket from harbor freight on the ground make good ballistic gel protection from dirt

[@ASPextra]

Yeah that’s inbound. :)

[@olegrayheadedfart]

The lucky gunner ad is a lie, twice that price! Related to cheaper than dirt???

[@ASPextra]

Made the ad in January.

[@olegrayheadedfart]

@@ASPextra ok

[@cgsimons1187]

Thanks for doing this test. It would be interesting to have this topic revisited using 0 buck, #1 buck, and copper plated #4 buck. For home defense there is insufficient distance for me to be concerned with an overly wide pattern. So, more projectiles creating more wound channels is ideal IMHO. As long as they get beyond 12".

[@tonykoenig1548]

I was wanting to see a slug test

[@DWalter.27]

Number 1 buck seems to be a good balance, less over penetration than 00, but not 12" like number 4s. It's tricky finding some to buy though

[@ASPextra]

I have seen some #1 do awesome. Stuff is rare as hen's teeth though.

[@DWalter.27]

@@ASPextra Idk why 00 stayed in populatity when no 1 seems better. I thought cops still used shotguns when/after the FBI did their gel tests, so you'd have thought they'd test and switch their buckshot (and then the civilian market would follow, because it follows leo/mil for some reason)

[@flyboytim2009]

Very interesting... 🤓👍

[@francismartino6890]

What about #4 flight control Turkey shot for home defense? Is that different?

[@ASPextra]

I wouldn't really recommend bird shot for people at all.

[@Axteffekt]

The Sturm and Drang xDDD

[@GaveMeGrace1]

Thank you

[@ASPextra]

You're welcome!

[@janmale7767]

Being hit by a shotgun esp buckshot is like being hit by a multitude of handgun rounds simultaneously!

[@orenthalsimpson]

"The gatekeeper" is the coolest shotgun round I've seen lately

[@ASPextra]

It’s a mythological creature though. Can’t be bought anywhere.

[@elund408]

@@ASPextra try finding your federal right now. I think it is mythical also..

[@pcnorton]

I love the video of that on Tao!

[@roosterboy7357]

When you said reduced recoil you weren’t kidding

[@MrZombieslayer409]

Want want to see y'all try the Winchester tracker shells

[@cmdrenchilada5049]

Honestly, I'd prefer it if you shot groceries.

[@ASPextra]

Too expensive and don’t get anything from it.

[@jwestphal2010]

The upside to the magnums is the extra pellets

[@oklahomahank2378]

When the blocks move, doesn’t that make the energy transfer measurement less reliable?

[@ASPextra]

I am not sure there's much to do for that and don't think it's TOO significant, but I hear what you're saying.

[@kurt5490]

Great. I bought a whole case of Rio #4 to avoid overpenetration.

[@keithlevanway6871]

The Flight stopper load would be pretty much a slug at that range. The penetration is partly a result of them hitting as one mass - or darn close to it- and separating after hitting the block.

[@ASPextra]

Yeah it’s the pool ball effect.

[@scottphipps3577]

Interesting thing is, many of the hollowpoint rifled slugs you buy will penetrate less than the 00 buckshot. Apparently, those indentations on the front of the slugs actually work.

[@heyboy33333]

Try buying any ammo. Here in TN, pickens be slim

[@johnkelley2615]

Always keeping it interesting. Thanks ASP!

[@ASPextra]

Always!

[@davidwallace894]

You all are not in Chicago. Do you have any companies that you can recommend that is as good as you guys?

[@ASPextra]

www.firearmstraininghub.com is a fantastic resource!

[@paulbooth5778]

I don't think buckshot would be my choice. Nothing is going to stop someone like a slug.

[@ASPextra]

A slug is a fight-stopper as well. :)

[@kennethkrieb3018]

Great video guys. Only one question though. You both state the 3” load doesn’t offer any real benefits over the 2.75” loads, however, for only adding .25” in shell length, you get almost DOUBLE the payload. Yeah, it’s louder and recoils a bit more, however, delivering nearly double the payload is pretty impressive. 15 00 buck pellets versus 8 seems like a major benefit to me. Aside from perhaps reducing capacity by 1 round in the mag tube, the increased recoil and noise, it would seem that the 3” delivers far better stopping power. Am I missing something here? Thanks in advance.

[@ASPextra]

Well, yeah, except the lower capacity, higher recoil, and bigger noise in a defensive encounter isn't a small disadvantage.

[@alexstanley3315]

No... I have a mag fed semiautomatic 12 ga ,and the 3 inch shells are top notch

[@rickengle7208]

I would rather have the extra shell. You're just dead from 8 pellets as you are from 15.

[@cgsimons1187]

I'd be tempted to use 3" mag shells except for the fact that I may be shooting from a kneeling defensive position. While I can recover quickly with my feet firmly planted on the ground, I'm concerned I might get knocked back a bit from a kneeling position since I'm a bit less heavy set than Matt.

[@WraithChornobyl]

Shame no #1 Buck, its the ideal load for personal defense. The magnums are 24 .30cal....

[@ASPextra]

Very tough to find good #1 buck, honestly, especially with a Flite Control wad. I sure wish Federal would make some but they’re selling the LE13300 and LE13200 at full capacity.

[@francostacy7675]

I am not sure this is a good test for shotguns. As you said, "shotguns move stuff around"...and they do. However then you said there wasnt enough penetration on your first shot. Well if i take a baseball bat to ballistic gel, there is no penetration, however that bat is deadly becaise it moves things around too. The overall shock of shotgun and the multiple pellets is part of it lethal force and not only penetration. Also if i shoot anywhere i am liable/accountable for every projectile i send out the barrel. That is part of shotguns strength because depending on the pellets, i wont penetrate walls like a .223 or powerful pistols or full metal jacketed ammo. If i am in an apartment, a suburb, in the country my desire to penetrate walls will be different

[@ASPextra]

I disagree that your desire to penetrate walls will be different. You don't want to penetrate walls. How you accomplish that is significant, though.

[@francostacy7675]

@@ASPextra so the #4 buckshot wont go through walls like others but is deadly inside a home or room or close quarters even though your gel test indicates not so much. I saw those gel blocks jump off the table and that force matters too in stopping power so the depth of the pellets in the gel is not the only consideration for its ability to be lethal and thats why i dont think the gel test is as accurate for buckshot or birdshot like it is for slugs, handguns and rifles

[@ASPextra]

But the depth of penetration in gel is a prerequisite. It just is.

[@francostacy7675]

@@ASPextra it just is.....doesnt sound very logical or convincing. Its not a law of nature or physics. A baseball bat has zero penetration but it kills. A burn to the body that covers most of the skin has little penetration but it kills. You get hit by a train and no penetration and your dead anyway. The fact that your Buckshot had little penetration but moved the entire blocks around is also a factor. A 22 or 38 at that distance may have had more penetration but not the force The body has to absorb that Force regardless of the penetration. If 22-caliber projectile inter's only 2 in of your body and it's not your skull or your neck you will more than likely not die and keep moving. However if you were hit with 500 projectiles all at the same time with none of them being fatal more than likely you will die so the gelatin does not tell all of the story because if it did a baseball bat or train or Surface Burns would not be lethal

[@frankmarks5890]

Matt's running the Mossberg 930?

[@ASPextra]

Remington 870

[@frankmarks5890]

Put the gun in that video is a semi-auto not a pump oh, forgive me if I'm incorrect oh, I always thought the 870 was a pump-action

[@ASPextra]

Sorry, I am a dummy. In this video Matt shoots every round out of my LTT Elite Beretta 1301 shotgun.

[@johnnorman7708]

The wad and shot cup design along with the buffer and pellet hardness with or without plating dictates pellet roundness. If shot touches the bore plated or not it's gonna have a flat spot on it.

[@ASPextra]

Absolutely.

[@johnnorman7708]

@@ASPextra I find it interesting that the 3" magnum 00 (and other shot sizes) give you almost double payload count but do it at a pretty extreme velocity loss and penetration potential with a recoil factor enhancement. I also know that you really don't need a 3" shell to get fairly hefty payloads inside a 12ga. load. 3" and even 3 1/2" may be more about marketing and perception than it is about actual performance.

[@kennethrimmer1883]

I just wish the federal flight control was easier to find out in the wild, I can prolly count the number of times I’ve seen it available less than 5 times

[@cbr600rx7]

I appreciate the testing but disagree a little on the #4. Let’s be honest in a home defense situation odds are you are under 40 feet so it’s not like the velocity is going to drop off much from your test. Second even if you hit a big guy in the shoulder/side with 30+ .22 size pellets that’s going to do massive damage and that arm is mangled. Yes #1 or 00 will penetrate more but in a home defense situation over penetration is not a good thing. Just my opinion and still love the video.

[@ASPextra]

Depends on your home! Typical suburban middle class home? Probably not more than 15 yards or so. But not everyone lives in that home.

[@the4tham]

What type of shotgun is that?

[@ASPextra]

LTT Elite Beretta 1301T

[@the4tham]

Active Self Protection Extra sexy looking shotgun.

[@SuspiciousGanymede]

I keep hearing that the new federal split buckshot is wicked for home defense.

[@Scaliad]

And, in a pinch they can be used for fishing weights?

[@jimv.661]

The extra recoil is pretty much a mute subject unless the person is of slight build and can't control the gun. If you are shooting at someone you will never feel the recoil. Range practice is another story though. The dichotomy of sound between the two loads could make a difference inside closed quarters.

[@nelsonr1467]

That's great, but those high recoil loads are intended for hunting not self defence.

[@jimv.661]

I realize that. I was mostly commenting on the statement about the recoil. You won't feel it.

[@immikeurnot]

It's not a moot point, though. Follow-up shots are often a thing in defensive shootings.

[@jimv.661]

And......you still don't feel the recoil which was my point. I understand you are implying that you have to recover and get back on target. I don't think that will bother you that much either unless you are very slight of build. If the person is close, the gun will still be on them or very close to them. If they are further away you will be able to get back on target. I guess you don't hunt much.

[@cgsimons1187]

I'd be tempted to use 3" mag shells except for the fact that I may be shooting from a kneeling defensive position. While I can recover quickly with my feet firmly planted on the ground, I'm concerned I might get knocked back a bit from a kneeling position since I'm a bit less heavy set than Matt.

[@googoo-gjoob]

that 8 pellet flite control appears to be the mac daddy

[@ASPextra]

It really is.

[@pbp6741]

It concerned me the Federal Flight Control here fails the FBI protocol due to over-penetration. I take the point that those uncalibrated blocks shot at inconsistent distances under uncontrolled environmental factors don’t represent their performance vis-a-vis a scientific, controlled test and are just for entertainment. Did anyone catch whether they’re charged to 1300-something or 1100-something fps?

[@ASPextra]

It really didn’t fail. Remember clear gel penetrates more than calibrated ordinance gel.

[@pbp6741]

Active Self Protection Extra I did say “here fails” and I explicitly acknowledged you aren’t following sound scientific protocol.

[@lamarrieves1696]

@@ASPextra Try No1 flight control buck--more lead weight and mass then 00--less chance of over

[@dancollins8296]

@@lamarrieves1696 that's what I use

[@MyLonewolf25]

No #1? Shame #4 is really velocity dependent

[@BenDover-fc9df]

Nobody does this with slugs that I’ve seen. Originality wins you a sub😉

[@gregusmc2868]

Yeah. I like John and his channel but I gotta say, this has been done to death-and done MUCH better too. So many people have slo-motion cameras and have planned for things like “This might blow these off into the dirt!?” 🤔🤷🏻

[@garrettschienschang4399]

I disagree with your assessment of the 3” shell. While it didn’t give more penetration or a larger visible temp wound cavity it did cut around 50% more 33cal tracks through the gell.

[@ASPextra]

Yeah more pellets more better for sure. The question is whether it would lead to different outcomes.

[@garrettschienschang4399]

@@ASPextra better safe than sorry. Time to get some remmington green and yellow box 3.5” 18 pellet 00buck

[@ASPextra]

Nah, I think the answer to my question is a definitive no.

[@Leehealy-wheninthewoods]

Having shot deer and seen plenty of deer killed with a moderate load of buckshot (00 or #4 pellet, 1500-1600fps)…a gel test is not conclusive on penetration of meat targets.

[@ASPextra]

This tells me you didn’t listen.

[@benoutdoors]

If Buckshot can kill a deer at 100 yards it can stop a mad man

[@ASPextra]

I don't know anyone who uses buckshot at 100 yards.

[@PublicEnemyNum12]

1:03 seemed like such a forced laugh.

[@mikeoxmaul5062]

4 buck is by far better and shooting all the way through your house and the neighbors is not as big of an issue. Sure, it doesn’t penetrate as far, but the bad guy is going down.

[@ASPextra]

Pluses and minuses.

[@sb859]

I tarp would be a good thing; also, can you put the type of shell being shot on the screen? I can't remember what each one is and graphics would be helpful.

[@docskate4312]

One should avoid saying "it is what it is" directly after "I knew this was going to happen", better leave that where it belongs to - the less bright candles on the cake... Moreover praising the medium first and then throwing perfectly clear gelblocks in the dirt ain't were it's at... But maybe that's just what it is right😉? Thanks for the video.

[@danew637]

1:03 here goes your "clear" ballistic gel lol

[@baccable]

The only benefit I see to the 15 pellet magnums is increased hit probably in a hunting situation. Not my choice for home defense.

[@nelsonr1467]

Exactly.

[@yddishmcsquidish3904]

3 inch being expensive and hard to find?! ::laughs in 2021::

[@andrewdanvers308]

Blankets... need blankets.

[@smm9030]

This is great!!!!! What is your distance???

[@chaseofearth9280]

I read this as “tasting different shotgun ammo” at first haha I was thinking this will be an interesting video

[@Scaliad]

You're supposed to make the other guy eat lead...

[@chaseofearth9280]

Gary Lankford haha that’s right!

[@raylouis6798]

THANKS JOHN.C FOR THIS LESSON. AFTER THIS , NOT SURE ABOUT GAUGE FOR SELF DEFENSE ANYMORE. PISTOL AND RIFLE FOR ME NOW. 10MM AUTO AND 5.56 ALL DAY EVERY DAY...

[@D5quared91]

Double Aught Zero

[@alexstanley3315]

2:30..... look at the depth of the fattest man and the gel blocks damage , it would have expanded his whole chest cavity all over the wall behind him ! Phukin splat fat jack. Really look at the inches of travel VS how deep YOU are and see the 12 ga is an incredible weapon cartridge

[@pauljohnson9445]

People-ee parts.........

[@mkshffr4936]

Would love to see 000 and 0000. Application... Critters.

[@ASPextra]

Probably a bit outside my lane, honestly.

[@elund408]

the thing about #4 is it is like getting hit numerous times at once with a 22 WMR While I wish it had more penetration, everything has compromise. Like they used to say at the carnaval You Pay your money and you take your chances.

[@cgsimons1187]

It would be nice to see tests performed with copper plated #4 buck to see if they can get beyond the 12" mark.

[@Deathspade66]

bro, you guys coulda put a tarp down..

[@Cyotis]

Very kewl.

[@asderocher]

Aim for the face

[@michaellynn7745]

Thanks for the ballistics lesson. I don't see these often enough, and with all the different types of ammo that can be used for shotgun, it's good to know what works and why.

[@richardmendoza738]

Its sad that modern obesity has changed the standard in penetration. Im 5 11, and athletic build. 12 inches of penetration would fucking destroy me. Done. Dead as fuck.

[@ASPextra]

But that misunderstands what penetration in ballistics gel actually IS. Nobody is recommending 15-18" of penetration in humans.

[@cgsimons1187]

It is true that there are some really heavy-set dudes out there. Another factor, however, is an arm impeding the path of the bullet. Most of the time an attacker will move their arms away from the sides of their body and instead position one or both of them in front of their body. Such as when they are approaching you wielding a knife or bat in their hand(s), taking aim at you with a firearm, or if a strong guy is advancing with the intent of strangling you. Because of this a projectile may have to pass through that arm prior to entering the body. Remember Kyle Rittenhouse shooting that one guy in the arm. Kyle was fortunate that the bullet did enough damage to that arm to render it useless. Because the bullet failed to enter his chest at all.

[@keghinian]

I enjoy your presentations, however this one is the worst. Speaking of presentation and being g prepared you failed with these gel blocks.

[@ASPextra]

Send me your receipt and I will refund you.

[@keghinian]

@@ASPextra perhaps I should stop watching you and take you off my subscription list too.

[@ASPextra]

Feel free, man. This was a quality presentation, and just because I showed you less than perfect you gotta nitpick. If that's how you're going to be, we'd be better off without you in the community. If you want to be an actual contributor, feel free to stay. Otherwise, don't let the door hit you where the Lord split you.

[@keghinian]

@@ASPextra I digress, you missed the point. Have a nice life and wishing you good luck.

[@ASPextra]

One of us missed the point at least.

[@nonyabiz4249]

Try some good ol cut shells on that ballistic gel

[@ASPextra]

I think that’s a great idea.

[@Philly1958]

#4 buck is preferable

[@nelsonr1467]

It's low penetration.

[@ascaye]

I would like to have seen some 000 buck.

[@villev8844]

Penetration is not so important. Even a birdshot would be destructive enough from such a short distance for any purpose.

[@JohnLloydScharf]

No. You need to look at what a shotgun does with even birdshot. At 21 feet it will put a hole in the chest of a man the size of a tennis ball with birdshot. I am surprised they go more than three inches, but the hole punched by over 2000 foot pounds of birdshot means they are not getting up. 00 Buck will go right through your wall to kill your neighbor through his wall across the street.

[@ASPextra]

There are videos on the channel of people taking a birdshot load at 3 yards and walking it off. DO NOT USE BIRDSHOT.

[@jimsagubigula7337]

@@ASPextra Your channel?