Testing New World Part 1: Hidden Armor Scaling | Resistance Gems | Resilience (UPDATE in comments)

[@MorrolanTV]

UPDATE: The PvP armor formula has been completely changed with the December update. New in depth armor guide is available here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4GtpGR8idFmiMU

[@Harziboo]

When a content creator does more math than the devs :)

[@FRanger92]

The devs failed stats class. Eyyyyy

[@Bolththrower]

Solid work! Thanks to you and all the people involved in helping test this stuff!

Really appreciate all the hard work behind this and the effort to report this to the devs. Great work.

[@KaidenXIII]

Johnny Sins speaks about armor penetration on youtube. What a time to be alive

[@novac1990]

Hahahahahahahahahahah

[@Marco-uk7dc]

from bdo to new world and yet you still do alot for the community! thanks for all the hard work you put in !

[@MacBuilder]

I have been waiting with anticipation for this video to share with my Company. Thank you!

[@wildwasabi8188]

thank you for doing this testing, super helpful and fascinating

[@Sloggin]

Man, thank you so much for this type of content what a labor of love you are doing. Keep up the fantastic work and thank you much for the videos looking forward to future content. Hit the Subscribe before you were 2 minutes in!

[@adamcortright8838]

As always Morro, good analysis and breakdown, thanks for the effort my man. Love from San Diego!

[@kolaiah7243]

Glad this information is getting out there, thanks for the video and testing!

[@Capluffy1090]

Thank you for your work and effort.

[@Johnfredlambert]

You and your friends work is incredible!!

[@zzzFaw]

Thanks for the hard work !

[@konter4323]

right now I dont have the time to do all that stuff my self so I cant thank you enough for doing this! ceep it up!

[@izzux2121]

Looks for me that not lower level Players are scaled for pvp seems like they scaled lower Level gear since lower Players wear them , a 60 with full Level 30 gear has the same upscaling like a actual Level 30 ? Idk sooo weird , sorry for my english , nice Video

[@KindredBrujah]

It sounds like a rubber banding mechanism to prevent higher level players absolutely dominating in PvP. I think discarding GS and armour ratings entirely and having a flat bonus coming from the armour weight and its type regardless of level (considering higher levels will still have better stats and better perks) is quite reasonable.

[@LefteyeL]

Excited to hear about confirmation regarding specific weapon mitigation, specifically thrust/strike/slash

[@sanquineo]

Absolutely game changing lol.... I hope they fix this shizzle. Appreciate the analysis, good job and thx!

[@Mountainmonths]

wow this is top tier content

[@andrewgoodrich9369]

Appreciate all the work you put into this and testing it.

[@zaidroxzaid9029]

Good research Morrolan 👍👍👍👍

[@bradleyholden3769]

Well done as always Morrolan. Thanks for the work you guys put in. I'll always miss the BDO patch note reads but this seems like it's going to be a fun journey.

[@Leon-Soren]

Fantastic effort! Saves us a lot of time and gold if we're mostly PvP'ing.

[@jord8496]

Thank you for this very informative video 👍

[@razvanvisan6977]

Thanks a lot for your time!

[@jpsc1995]

That’s some awsome research! Very well done as I could see on the livestreams. One questions that’s on my mind now that this video is 2 weeks old is if the Devs have changed anything on the patches that were released since 2 weeks ago (I know the resilient bug for exemple has been fixed).

[@MorrolanTV]

Resilient is indeed "fixed" (although a bit oddly) but armor scaling in general is still very buggy, we've actually found evidence of problems much deeper than we initially thought since this vid

[@Fevir]

What a strong jawline you have. So handsome.

[@JanErik.]

Best eyebrows on twitch too

[@KingRichStayFit]

Na, who is this to you cuz I saw you talking about his eyebrows on another video 😂

[@Akaistos]

@Fevir why did you abandon your channel? dauntless dead?

[@PawanM]

Haven't seen a video from you in a while.

[@nictanoo5224]

yeah glad we finally got a handsome/smart new world youtuber. No offense to nw tubers but they have been severely hindering my enjoyment of this game while not on my character with bad youtube content. Reddit is better.

[@peter486]

Fact checker :) i love you for the type of person that would take on this sort of task. Any compay or organization or a game studio needs people like that, im just happy we got one for our New world community. Pulling out data from a faulty game is not easy. it woud takes days to test this sort of stuff. because he dosent have the raw numbers. the problem with this is that it can change in a week. or two. So its very "fresh" based on 1.04 + all the buggs included Super Impressed with this video.

[@majinmesun]

I love how the let’s not get emotional attached to one awnser or another.

[@krgatsby]

Great info, ty!

[@user-ok3dq1lw3y]

your work is very valueable

[@tercerocastero]

Reminds me so much of BDO. At least NW is starting out posting numbers on gear. BDO didn't have even that for a long time lol One would think these would be easy fixes, maybe so in a game with fewer issues, but there is a lot on their plate. Will be interesting to find out if these are straight up errors or if its hidden factors not visible in any way. Regardless, whether or not it improves greatly or crumbles I'm having a blast in it and expect to for quite a while yet.

[@captainwetx]

Hey dude! Awesome video. I've done quite a lot of testing myself and I think I might be able to clear it up a little bit if the comment ever lands. When in scaled pvp (not war) I believe the way your gear is scaled is based on some formula that utilizes gear score to level. So basically if you have a piece of gear that has a very high gearscore for its level it will be scaled up much harder then a lower gearscore item of the same level. So in turn having a say level 20 sword with high gearscore compared to the average level 20 swords might hit harder then a low gearscore level 30 sword. I'd assume armor is done this same way. This is wildly visible in pvp using named unique drops from expeditions at the low levels as their gearscore to level ratios are kinda crazy. Hope this helps or at least pushes something in the right direction, I wish AGS would just give us the pvp scaling formula.

[@captainwetx]

By level 20 or 30 swords I do mean level required to equip them.

[@Krinje]

I like the game, I like playing it. This stuff makes me feel super cheated and lied to. I love rpgs and I'm into esoteric details like attack speed/frame rate breakpoints in Diablo 2. When you can't trust the game at all it really erodes the experience.

[@killmesoicanrespawn3775]

Settle down princess. It's just a game. Just another excuse for you to use in why you lose fights XD

[@wildannurm3739]

@@killmesoicanrespawn3775 Ikr, why even people think that this broken game will do anything that it is supposed to do. Wait untill they rework the entire game and wait next year when they make "Newer World"

[@Derzull2468]

@@killmesoicanrespawn3775 It's just a game so it's ok if everything is broken? Not having reliable mechanics is a huge issue, not only for "princesses".

[@killmesoicanrespawn3775]

@@Derzull2468 Get over it. It's a well priced game with no pay 2 play. You can always play something else if it's causing you so much grief.

[@Derzull2468]

@@killmesoicanrespawn3775 No I won't get over it, I'd like the bugs to be fixed at one point, it's not unreasonable at all. The game is pay 2 play, what the hell are you talking about? I didn't stop playing other games although NW has the priority right now. Once again what the hell are you talking about?

[@ChadElbandagji]

Bro your videos are essential. Valhalla best server

[@korbinfearing2591]

I appreciate this!

[@GUMPNSTEIN]

As soon as you said T5 is worse than T2 for mitigation, the first thing that popped into my head was, they rush everything and fix things with a blunt hammer because they don't care, so they probably just made T2 gear work better than T5 gear, because they assumed a lvl 30 player would be wearing T2 gear and a lvl 60 player would be wearing T5 gear and they'd fix it later maybe instead of doing it in a more complete manner, "fixing" things this way seems to be the standard for this development team, wouldn't surprise me a bit.

[@mariusenigma1783]

Hi all, thx for this verry informative vid and for your work. What i realy wish is to have, for example, the faction armor that has stats under GS600 and can craft it up to gs600. I mean to just have the possibility to upgrade the armor or weapon or the jewelry and so on. As for the jewelry, there is no way to craft it, so it would be good to upgrade a lower one into a better stat one. Dometimes you find such good items with such good perks, but you want it at gs600 and you never get it. Well ... dreams ... 😉 Great work out there, Marius

[@dave6219]

Amazing work!

[@alex_maze]

thanks for putting this together and doing all that work. looking forward to more testing coverage like this. it is honestly sad how broken the game is right now :(

[@DreicanXCVII]

as always great work even though i dont play the game that seemed in depth and solid!!!

[@jinnai2]

Did you check if it's not Tier normalization? i.e. Tier V (GS 500-600) 580 GS> 500 GS, but Tier 2 (GS 200-300) 290 GS > T5 540 GS Formula could be something like GS - (Tier *100) - so "normalized" gear score would be in range 0-100. From my example T2 290 GS = 90 normalized GS; T5 540 GS = 40 normalized GS.

[@gavinfairbanks]

My question as well

[@Kuratius]

Testing of the hidden coefficients for individual pieces is currently in progress, once we have that data we can know that.

[@canchem9825]

A doctor, teacher and gamer. Thank you Johnny!

[@TheLadman1]

awesome vid man. explains a lot

[@nessoak621]

Is the faction gear just as good as voidbent in PVE also? Or are these scalings just for pvp? I'm trying to decide if I want to sell these mats or hold on to them.

[@alderius2190]

I wish an official clarification came out on all these subjects from the dev team :/ but I guess we can only dream..

[@tabuu__900]

Huge research, much respect. There's a crap ton of bugs right now, some of them are just visual bugs (like the burden perk bug). Im curious, what if you would swap the armor pieces, relog and than test it. I wouldnt be surprised if the scaling comes out different again. Anyways, subed and will follow for more! Cheers

[@Schlawonz]

Great work. Take my sub sir 👍

[@Codegard12]

This man is doing great work and his constituents helping him are worth gold, AMAZON GIVE THESE GUYS A REWARD. Lets make the NW community strong and healthy, the bugs will be fixed people have patience. Quick take away from the vid, RESILIENCE GEAR IS KING ATM, buy a set ASAP.

[@braxtonbliss9440]

Does the Resilience bug still apply after today's update?

[@geirby]

I heard information that scaling in pvp does not work on siege, and it really matters what your geer score is. Is it so?

[@KML_1]

Thanks morro-chan!

[@liquidmojo1439]

are we better off still upgrading to the higher faction armor tiers? I am currently level 52, wearing the 420 gear set. I already grinded out and bought a full set of 490 gear that I will be able to wear when I hit level 53... same question for when I hit 60; will the level 60 faction gear be an improvement over the level 53 gear?

[@MorrolanTV]

The level 53 is roughly equivalent to the 60 set - actually about 1-2% better - there's no need to get the 60 set at all if you have the 53 set

[@Prodiscius]

Thank you for the research

[@angryhomeless]

Man, I respect the effort and all the work done, but I have one question. Is it ok for you that you are basically doing all the QA work that should be done BEFORE releasing the game? Its not like its a first bug and not like amazon didn't have resources to do everything properly.

[@jord8496]

Some times, doing thing by passion is great too.

[@FloorFerret]

Quick question: For this calculator does it factor in, for instance, INTs 150 capstone? Because that's fairly important to understanding the damage bonuses from elemental gems.

[@ChaoticIllusions]

Legend has it that morrolan is actually Johnny Sins

[@mdmsmdms]

FYI: According to some videos Onyx gems reduce all damage taken, not just physical damage. You get about 35% reduced damage with faction gear and full onyx gems.

[@cevzonas]

"The goal is to simply find what the truth is." Insta subscribe no matter what the rest of the video is. From a fellow scientist, cheers.

[@KutsuuG]

Hey I thought I remembered you from ESO when I saw you in Warpath discord! Try this out: Wear the highest GS heavy chest you have, then use very low GS in all other slots and see what your mitigation is.

[@Silent-1983]

Ma man, thank you!

[@kentignal6891]

As for gems, rumor has it that Onyx improves your resistance in any category (physical, lighting, fire, void, etc). Is that a thing or not? Thanks!

[@fatalisarx931]

You saved me a full voidbent of money because of this video! Is the armor scaling works the same in PTR? I heard they are changing something.

[@MorrolanTV]

Armor scaling is gone on PTR, so Voidbent will be pretty good again (depending on price) unless they 180 and change their mind yet again

[@fatalisarx931]

@@MorrolanTV thanks for the info! One more question if you don't mind. How about the Onyx gem? Does it still reduce ALL damage instead of just physical damage? Does elemental damage reduction gem has the same bug as Onyx to reduce ALL damage?

[@jefflowery7338]

@@fatalisarx931 ^^^^

[@eSquid4]

Holy shit Johnny sins is a content creator too? That man can do anything :D

[@jnad05]

do these scaling apply in PVE scenarios? or just PVP? damn my whole is a lie about the higher armor score for defense, but i keep hearing people saying heavy is the best gear right now, cuzz the damage bonus from going light vs the perk of going heavy , the ligh/medium damage perk aint that great

[@Lothos88]

From what I've read and seen testing myself, the 20% damage/healing output increase from light is only modifying the base damage/heal, so the actual output value is more like 8-9%.

[@GrimmkillMMO]

Good shit

[@AlderbaranBDO]

Which do you think is better for PVP when tanking? Adjudicator Barbarian(heavy) - With resilient perk but slightly lower phys and elem armor rating or Inquisitor Sentry(heavy) - Without resilient perk but slightly higher phys and elem armor rating Im using full inquisitor right now and quite confused on which is better

[@HattingmaD]

Watched your long video on BDO, and I completely understand leaving ANY game after playing and streaming for 5 entire years. That said, it took me less than two weeks and under 200 hours to see how pointlessly shallow the entire New World experience is, and has led me to appreciate MMOs I never thought I would even log back into again. Easily one of the most beautiful Western MMOs to date, but that's really all it really has.

[@Codegard12]

Define pointlessly shallow, is it the vast crafting system that requires you to immerse yourself in the game to complete, the endless open world PVP content or is it the multitude of dungeons and open world challenges that seem pointless to you? Regardless, that was a baseless remark and comments like these lack constructive criticism, which its self is pointlessly shallow, no? Play the game or don't its your choice, you bought the game end of the day and if your looking for meaning in a video game other than to have fun with your friends well then I say go touch some grass bud.

[@HattingmaD]

@@Codegard12 ", that was a baseless remark" You certainly didn't haven't to summarize your whole reply for me, but thanks, I appreciate it! Objectively the game has a growing list of problems by the day as Amazon continues to break more things than they try to fix, and with the miniscule amount of content and depth available it's certainly breaking records for incompetence in any MMO that has released since UO kicked off the genre.

[@Christian-kg6uc]

Hi, is really worth to upgrade the tier 4 faction gear for the tier 5? I gives the same stats and only a small increase in defenses. I use light gear and medium chest

[@MorrolanTV]

The level 53 faction gear is slightly better than the level 60 faction gear, there's no reason to upgrade it

[@TheOpossum13]

This is gods work

[@ronaldlejeune6698]

Question though! Does Orb of Protections Damage Scale at all?

[@xXSk8erDXx]

Wonderful

[@nicholasgraves3149]

I've played NW for 300 hours and have had a fun time and have gotten my money's worth. I have played RPGs for over twenty years. The number 1 way to get me to stop playing your game is to remove my agency in building my character. AGS has done this unintentionally by making it so that we as the player have almost no actual knowledge over what any number in any menu actually does. Weapon skills, armor values, armor perks, gem damage, it might as well be French rocket surgery to me because even if I attempt to make an informed decision, I can't because the numbers lie. I will not be playing this game anymore, and not because of the lack of content, but because of the egregiously broken RPG elements. Nice video, and I'll be watching part 2 as well. Thanks for doing the research.

[@nauk244]

I am curious about what hit you during those tests, i did similar testing with my brother for hours the other night about how the shield interact when you have it in your hands or not. We had so many different results in numbers and he did not change anything other than equip/sheathe his different weapons and taking off his armor. After some time we would just reset and start over and we had so many different numbers we finally gave up on our tests... It just feel like there is spaguetti coding magic that happen when you add or remove any type of stats/armor/buff multiple times just like the bag shuffle that reduces your current weight. So what hit you during your tests and how reliable was that damage?

[@scorpion2887]

Another grate video. Did you tested only armor level 60?

[@mtalve]

Personally I'm running 22,9 medium with all onyx and my physical mitigation with my current gear goes from 51.69% to 52.36% when I pick up 200 CON talent for 20% armor. So in my case it does little to nothing (retested yesterday). There are definitely some funky things going on.

[@fatalisarx931]

how many onyx in total, and which tier of onyx. I find this info very interesting that onyx works addictive to armor mitigation

[@mtalve]

@@fatalisarx931 My gear has changes since then, but almost certain it was 7 x pristine onyx and 1 x pristine malachite (Silver Leaf) during when I last tested.

[@Restrictedone]

I hear a lot of bug and bugged:) good work

[@michaelgaziotis2538]

@morrolan TV So are you telling my the lowest faction gear (first faction rank) that has the lowest GS per weight and has resilient perk... is currently the best armour to wear for PvP full stop?

[@scrymglin]

Amazon Game Studio: Math is hard!

[@CraftyCrow]

can i request that the second you become aware of this stuff being out of date you add it to the video/description? thank you for your hard work

[@Enigma_Vids]

Do you think 200 constitution is worth it for light armor? It seems like it'd be useless due to having such low armor already. I'm not sure if there's enough hidden scaling to make it worth it.

[@zyon8757]

The Johnny Sins of New World

[@KindredBrujah]

One question that springs to mind: Do you always deal exactly the same damage with every hit against the same opponent in PvP? I'm reasonably sure from my own experience that you do in PvE, but I've not done much PvP to determine if it's the case there as well.

[@douglasduda9826]

I would suggest yes, you would as far as say your light attacks. When I was dueling someone using the same armor class Medium and we used the same weapon. IT was about 50/50 except he wrecked me with rapier vs rapier he was just a lot better at using it. Spear we were much more evenly matched even with me using the throw and the Pve Leap+bleed attack. Turns out Close range Spear throw is a nice counter to the Lunging Kick...spear throw hits before and knocks down...so it worked while he was mid kick...lol. Honestly Wish there was More counters for stuff...there are lots of moves...just most feel worthless with some many GRIT attacks from some of the most powerful Melee weapons. I enjoy more, moves+ counter moves otherwise it just degrades into what we have...heavy armor...GA/Hammer users or hatchets thrown in there. BTW Does hatchet have a melee move that while its hitting ur target cant do shit...had that happening to me in OPR the other day...was like WTF? Sorry to better illustrate AFTER these duels, I did some pvp in a fort and I was going from doing 1100-1300 like i was for this duel vs another medium user to doing a mere 600dmg vs heavy armor user....with even shit heals he was un-killable from me using a spear.

[@ret7502]

in regards to the hidden armor scaling, the cause of this is obviously some sort of scaling issue between low level and high level players to try to balance open world pvp, but ive heard that there is no scaling in wars/outpost rush, so theoretically the hidden armor scaling issue will not apply to war and actual gear score and armor stats will matter, thoughts?

[@junkydama1718]

Hey, does "Hidden armor scaling" part apply to wars or only open-world PVP ?

[@harrylong2796]

There's no reason to think the scaling would be different

[@ipsus3013]

We know that Devs apply Scaling to Open World and Dueling PvP to try and level the playing field between low level players and high level players. However, we did not see any scaling in the Wars

[@TheParaParty]

So I have resilient on all of my armor but I still take 100k damage for drowning

[@zedpapa]

Does this low tier armor scaling work on wars as well or only in duels/open world?

[@PapyWouane]

Great research. Have you tested this in Outpost Rush / War? I mean, armor scaling in duels is fine and all, but I would like to know what's up with armor calculations in game modes where it actually matters.

[@officialchimmtv]

good video

[@KrippledKracka]

Wasn't there a secret patch that flipped the division back to what should have been, dividing armour by gearscore?

[@EmnelGaming]

Well, I sure hope the guy who wrote this mess of a code still works there. Otherwise it will take them months to even understand wtf is going on.

[@xstaycold]

Positive comment for the algorithm :)

[@_BRawlR_]

Amateur Gaming Studios showing their skills again.

[@AegisHyperon]

I can't believe people kicked up such a big fuss demanding that there be scaling for weaker equips...

[@ret7502]

I did my own testing with voidbent, i used faction gloves, then voidbent gloves, and it was a 6% reduction in physical damage by just switching that one piece (tested by friend hitting me with spear), which is crazy considering voidbent prioritizes the elemental resistance over physical, i think your math saying theres only a 2% mitigation difference between full voidbent and full syndicate is incorrect

[@sebastiaanb2651]

I would recommend testing it again with the full voidbent set equipped with t5 gems everywhere, also on rings/amulets/earrings etc. and then swapping out the one item. Given the way how some modifiers interact, that might make a difference.

[@23iJayedU]

I was wondering your thoughts on running diamonds rather than opals in your armors. You said all gems appear to be working so I assume that really just comes down to preference.

[@MorrolanTV]

Yeah it really just comes down to what's causing the majority of your deaths. As a melee 90% of my deaths are caused by getting stuck in an Ice Shower and eating crits from Ice Gauntlets, so I gem towards Ice or Elemental. For healers/casters many people choose Onyx because it relieves some pressure when they get dived by enemy greataxes

[@Dramox.]

Morrolan TV i run full moonstone gems but they dont work vs greataxes..

[@jord8496]

Today, someone has sell a lvl 60 legendary shield for 100gp, i buying before noticing he had only 10 Strength. Wtf

[@MrKelenek]

Does this apply to wars ? Or is the garbo scaling removed in the scenario of wars ?

[@Rikitangoable]

from what ive played scaling doesn't work in wars, i can get shit on by lower levels in open world but when it comes to war i dominate all lower levels.

[@Herravanrikki]

What if you’d be wearing T2 Faction gear?

[@middlelb21]

Does anyone know how this impacts War? Does War have armor and damage scaling as well? I was under the impression it didn't.

[@vspecter3548]

Im thinking the same, outside of war I feel like in full medium I do and receive a lot of damage, but in war I feel fine