TESTING PLASTIC JAR LIDS FOR MUSHROOM CULTIVATION,

Plastic lids have an obvious advantage over traditional metal lids when used repeatedly for mushroom cultivation, THEY DON'T RUST! In this video I test several of the most popular plastic canning jar lid types available to mushroom cultivators. I test each lid with a run of grain spawn, check them for leaks when inverted (liquid culture), and assess cost on a per-lid basis. I also demonstrate how to set them up with our favorite Microppose injection ports and filter discs.
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My two favorite lids from this experiment can be found here:
My simple cheap PP5 plastic lids:
Regular Mouth Plastic Mason Jar... www.amazon.com...
MasonTops Tough Tops regular mouth:
Masontops Tough Tops - Regular... www.amazon.com...

[@felixhoy7659]

Your help is greatly apprteciated. At 77 Im just getting back into growing after 30 year brteak. I alwaysd had to buy spawn bags and am looking forward to propogating liquids. Thanks felix

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

There are soooooo many cultures available these days in liquid culture syringe form and they are fairly inexpensive. It's amazing now, even compared to 10 years ago. Good luck on your grows.

[@robkazer5841]

I really wanted the tough top lids, but I was nervous about them saying they weren't intended for heat processing. I'm glad I found this video! Thank you!

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

They work great in the PC, I use them exclusively now. Appreciate you watching and commenting 👊

[@Alan-gi2ku]

@@RenegadeMushroomsI use them exclusively and they are great.

[@GreenThumbGuy-dn9sk]

Thanks for the info! I just ordered some tough tops thanks to you

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

They are great lids, I think you will like them. Thanks for watching 👊

[@GreenThumbGuy-dn9sk]

@@RenegadeMushrooms I also subscribed

[@SirBoden]

Forstner bits are your friend when drilling plastic 🙏

[@robertharvey3702]

True, but don't sleep on stepper bits either.

[@jugglesdimensions8632]

One of the tricks I learned to making these lids.. Is on the underside of the lid, use red RTV on the microposse self healing port to prevent the port adhesive from attracting grain.

[@Galvoflysoz]

Maybe wiping the exposed glue with alcohol ?

[@jugglesdimensions8632]

@@Galvoflysoz just let the RTV dry.

[@Alan-gi2ku]

Great idea.

[@scottjohnson2836]

Nice video. I have found that the plastic lids can leak for liquid culture but shroom supply sells a gasket to prevent that from happening. Also, when using plastic there is no need to vent them with a syringe as you have previously demonstrated. Simply unscrew a quarter turn in front of a flow hood. For grain spawn I have had great success just unscrewing the lid a tad bit for air exchange during a spawn run. That way there is no filter to fail. Just remember to tighten before shaking!

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Agreed, I wouldn't be comfortable using a plastic lid without a gasket for LC. The cheaper PP5 lids are fine for grain.

[@beentheredonethatoriginals5673]

@@RenegadeMushrooms when I bought my cheap pp5 plastic lids I got a bag of silicone gaskets. Still came in under 75 cents each. No problems yet.

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

@@beentheredonethatoriginals5673 Awesome, that's a good deal.

[@Myspacemeta]

a razorblade works really well to take the scrapings off if you don't want to torch it. I just slid mine along each side and it came out super clean

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Good tip, thank you 👍

[@tomcatmeow69]

I'm just getting started down the mushroom growing road so this stuff is really top shelf info. One thing I hope you may do is somehow keep track of how many rounds you put the lids through the PC so you can get some sort of idea as to when you should retire lids before a problem occurs. I'm big into quality control in manufacturing with electronics so my QC spidey senses are going off.

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

I've run some of them a dozen or so times and they are still working fine. No issues at all with adhesion. I'm getting the feeling the filter disc material will wear out before the adhesive gives.

[@addammadd]

6:15 is the goddamn pro shizz I subbed you for

[@scottjohnson2836]

What he said!

[@skittlydoo2326]

Microppose changed my life!

[@therealnosio]

Thanks for the video! I got into an argument over these plastic canning lids from Amazon. They work great and PC fantastic, never had an issue. They insist they leak with LC though 🙄 when clearly it doesn’t leak water which is thinner

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

As long as they are PP5 plastic, they are fine in the PC. Manufacturers say no, but that's just a CYA thing. For liquid culture, I do recommend the Masontops Tough Tops lids. They are more pricey, but worth it for the quality and solid seal.

[@therealnosio]

@@RenegadeMushrooms yeah I mostly run grain spawn jars with PP5 lids, nothing too crazy

[@billjensen8976]

When I made a Cordiceps Liquidculture all I can get my hands on was coconut pineapple water and the Cordiceps just loved it so you might wanna give it a try and see what you think Bill from Canada

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Cool idea 👍 Most types of natural sugar will work as a food source for your mycelium in liquid suspension. It's crucial to adapt and learn to use what is locally available when cultivating mushrooms, and your example illustrates that perfectly.

[@mr.ganja42O]

Just got in some of the tough top lids today. Same pack and all came with 4. The lids seem to be very good! No leaks and seals very nicely

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Yeah, they are a very solid design.

[@scottstevens7569]

Good Information! I am looking forward to your Enokie grow. It's one I struggle with.

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

I've struggled with enoki as well, part of the reason I'm planning some mad science experiments.

[@Brownkid422]

Great, another renegade open source channel I need to sub to. Thanks for answering every question I had about these lids. I've used the white lids and ball lids but had some issues. I was looking into whether the tough tops were worth it. Have you tried pressure cooking the tough tops with the seal? Were they modded any further? How'd they handle? Thank you

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

There are two options I'm comfortable using. The toughtops are good to go as is. The lid is thick PP5 and the silicone sealing ring is nice and thick. The second option, and the one I'm currently going with, is to buy the cheaper white PP5 lids I show in the video and buy separate silicone sealing rings to insert into them. This is definitely the cheaper option and they still work great. Both perform well in the PC, you just need to check for tightness after the PC run, and I still like to use a foil lid over them only while in the PC. If you're going to use them for LC, I would lean toward the toughtops, but I'm currently still using the old steel lids for LC.

[@Brownkid422]

@@RenegadeMushrooms thank you, and good morning! I've got the silicone seals you recommend on the way as well as some other cheaper options, a 24 pack for $20. The lids you recommend look the same as the mainstays Walmart brand so hopefully the compatibility works as well. Those toughtops look amazing but the cheapest I've seen them is a 4 pack at Publix for 10 or 11 dollars. I thought the 6 ball lids for 8ish was insanity but it's good to know they're good quality at least. I've yet to endeavor into LC, but really excited to start, do you have a video on the topic or any recommendations? Thanks for your time!

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

@@Brownkid422 Yes, I have videos on all the basics of LC, agar, how I do grain spawn etc. on my channel. Here's a link to my beginner LC video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKeqiIOVn6uNo9E

[@RawTubeTV]

Thanks. I thought about making my own lids, but I just buy them from a sweet lady in NC, mycovations

[@dirtdiggerjerry]

I'm having less contamination issues in my LC jars by not using the filter patches. I do use the plastic lids though. No rust and less pieces to handle.

[@theRandy712]

So you don't mess with any attachments, just plain clean plastic lid not fully screwed down so it can breathe a little?

[@ZeginMakesMusic]

This is off topic but I recently purchased a spore syringe to create a liquid culture. After inoculation, I sucked some liquid back into the syringe. 5 days later and the syringe is full of beautiful mycelium. This will prevent me from having to stab the liquid culture in the future, and allow me to monitor the progress of the original culture jar without taking it out of incubation. I'm sure everyone else does this as it's fairly obvious, but for anyone that never thought about it I just thought to add that tip.

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Good tip 👊

[@roschelle4648]

Yes, good tip (:

[@ranjanty]

I noticed that even the grey ball lids read "no Preserving" that's why I've been using the metal lids. Now I just started doing this mush stuff so I'm not really experienced but I say if it's not broke don't fix it. So I assume not for preserving means not for use in a PC? BTW I just trashed 6 jars of LM wheat spawn that never did grow out and bought some oats to start all over. I did like the lid with the silicone sealing ring. Enjoyed the video as usual. thanks for making it.

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

I hear you, the old metal lids will always be effective. If you want to try a plastic alternative that will seal just as well though, those mason tough tops with the gasket are very nice. Good luck with the Lions Mane. Also, be sure your grain is fully cooled before inoculation. Inoculating when too hot is a common reason for jars showing no growth.

[@ranjanty]

@@RenegadeMushrooms I can't remember now if they were hot or cold. lol Hey I just got my 24x 48 hepa filter today, now the fun starts tomorrow with building the box. Glad I had a blower sittin around for the last 13 years now I can use it. It's a 3speed from 767 cfm up to 1200. so just the cost of the filter 235.00 and Home Depot charged me half priced for a 4x8x 3/4 sheet of plywood they messed up cutting it in half. but I can still use it. It was off 3/16ths. got it for 25.00

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

@@ranjanty Hey, you made out great. Sounds like you're all setup. Don't forget to caulk the seams so it's nice and air tight. A flowhood is a game changer for sure.

[@tonystewart7624]

Where did you purchase the 24 pack of plastic lids, if you don't mind sharing?

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

They were just on Amazon, Plastic PP5 Regular Mouth Canning Jar Lids. Regular Mouth Plastic Mason Jar... www.amazon.com/dp/B07K2LCG9X?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share Pair them with these sealing rings: Platinum Silicone Sealing Rings... www.amazon.com/dp/B012UP6WWC?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

[@tonystewart7624]

No kidding, well thank you for sharing the link. I appreciate it.

[@DrGaryGreen]

@@RenegadeMushrooms I just ordered a pack of 24 lids that come with the silicone sealing rings: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08WJGN797/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[@tonystewart7624]

Hey I was wondering if you would mind sharing where you buy your syringes from? I am have a hard time finding a good resource for them. I really appreciate you helping me with the information on the plastic lids by the way. I ordered some after you responded to my previous question. Thank you!

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

👍 I order from a lot of different sources, but Mycelium Emporium, Fresh Fungi on Etsy, and Everything Mushrooms are very good. For Cordyceps I use Appalachian Gold on Etsy, Terrestrial Fungi, or Fresh Fungi on Etsy.

[@tonystewart7624]

@@RenegadeMushrooms Thank you again!

[@peter7582]

Use a countersink bit to deburr the holes

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Great idea 👍

[@HandsomeDevil5444]

better yet use a forstner bit and there will be no burr and no need for rtv on the ship

[@ShouldaWaved]

I love herecium, i like the coral hedghog , rarely do i see them which makes it special 🦔

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Corals are one of my favorites as well 👍

[@theresasteinbacher]

Cool. Do I need to have an injection port if I'm only putting mycelium from a petri dish into the grain spawn in mason jars?

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

No, in that case all you would need is the filter patch. I use both methods, but I do a ton of liquid culture so I always include the injection port.

[@ShouldaWaved]

Youde probably be fine without those holes for ventilation in the tote you set all the jars in hey, maybe just a lose lid work? If only could find the chuck for the old Milwaukee drill

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Yes you don't need the holes in the tote just for jar incubation, but it doesn't hurt. I have other uses for them that do require the holes though so most of mine have them.

[@ShouldaWaved]

@@RenegadeMushrooms your a good man thank you, wish the drill bits were labeled I got. Finally found the chuck, I don't even own a fridge but the chuck was on the magnetic trey attachednto the mini fridge that's taped shut that in don't use. On a new diet, I'll eventually get a fridge lol

[@charlessmith824]

I just purchased the MasonTop lids but the lids don’t have a Pp5 print in them and I can’t find info. After running them with your test, would you feel confident using them repeatedly? I am just starting my journey and this is my first LC :) thank you for you informative vids!!

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Yes, they are fine in the PC. They are very nice lids, you will like them.

[@darkkepler3712]

Can i use Walmarts mainstay plastic lids?

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Not sure if they are PP5 plastic or not, you have to make sure they are PP5. I can't find it in the description.

[@spenserjoseph8732]

do we need to cover these with foil before the pc?

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Yes, I use the silicone lid shields from Microppose.com, but foil lids work great too. You want them on in the PC, but leave them off for incubation.

[@HalfFrown93]

When you pressure cook these, do you keep the rubber seal on? Also regardless of the rubber seal, do you tighten them or keep them loose while PC? I have modified lids but unsure if they need to be tight or loose

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Yes, the rubber seal stays in place, and I tighten them when they go in the PC. I've personally never had any issues with jars cracking or breaking. The lids will often loosen a little on their own in the PC, so make sure you snug them back down as soon as you pull them out.

[@dylski4294]

When working with these PP5 lids and silicone gaskets, whether LC or grain spawn, is it necessary to unscrew the lids slightly before putting the jars in the PC? For example, if I’m not using a filter disc and the lid has the injection port only.

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

I always just snug them down and I've never had an issue. The only jar lids you would use with no filter would be LC, and those I only PC for 25 minutes. I've never had a jar crack, explode, etc. Some people, and the safety manual, will tell you that's not safe, but I've never had an issue.

[@dylski4294]

@@RenegadeMushrooms Thanks brother. You always have such a great deal of information. I appreciate you

[@Brownkid422]

Not necessary. However, if you don't loosen the lids slightly they will vapor lock very hard and be exceptionally difficult to remove after cooling. They will also tend to bow. I'm referring to the white mainstay lids and the ball lids. I have found the vapor lock does help improve contamination resistance, though unscrewing them in a SAB is truly hellish. I've also ran them at 15 psi for 2.5 hours with no explosions or real issues. I plan to move to gaskets or filter disks as shown in the video because they're difficult as fuck to remove without any modding.

[@rickheath5507]

​@Brownkid422 I know this is a old post but I bought some main stay lids from Walmart but was told they'd melt in the pc .

[@kylebrowning88]

I bought the same exact ones cause that's all they had. During the PC cycle I was asking myself, wait this is plastic and its getting hundreds of degrees inside there. So when I researched them online I came to the same conclusion everyone said they would melt. By then, they had already been inside for half the time required. So I decided to wait it out. Worse thing I got a mess to clean, and lesson learned. Common sense told me that I should definitely wait several hours after cycle to allow them to cool. I assumed they would be malleable/soft if taken to early. They were semi-successful so far. All four lids did not melt, and no noticeable defects. I did 4 total. 2 contaminated (due to my fault, I overcooked the first batch of popcorn; all the kernels bursted) and 2 are completely colonized about to go to bulk. But they are not labeled PP5 or anything and I'm still on the fence if its safe? Did you ever find a definite answer to your question? Ive decided to only use PP5 labeled for now. @@rickheath5507

[@Chupabrah]

Will the silicone seals inside the mason top, tough top lids fit inside the other two lids?

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

They will fit in the other white lids, not the grey. But you are better off buying the platinum sealing rings I linked in my pinned comment and just popping them in the cheap PP5 lids.

[@Chupabrah]

@@RenegadeMushrooms wow.. glad I didn't read the pinned comments. Thank you!

[@addammadd]

So the algorithm dropped me back on this video and I’ve had a chance to use these for a couple runs. I’ve had an issue with the injector ports basically losing adhesion when I spray the lids down with ethanol. They always seem to come Right back and I’ve yet to have a contamination issue but that’s definitely been happening. To be clear, these were new lids that were cleaned with ethanol and dried prior to applying the port stickers. The injection hole is hella tiny too like 3/8” so there’s definitely enough lid for the adhesive to grab. You seeing this issue too?

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

No, I'm actually not having any adhesion issues personally. They do recommend 1/4" holes and that's what I have been drilling so I do have a little more adhesion surface. The only other difference that I can think of is I use isopropyl, not ethanol. Not sure if that would matter, but the hole size might.

[@davidb7723]

Where did you get the cheap lids?

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

My simple cheap PP5 plastic lids: Regular Mouth Plastic Mason Jar... www.amazon.com/dp/B07K2LCG9X?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

[@davidb7723]

@@RenegadeMushrooms thanks a bunch, love your channel. I'm about to start my first lions mane mushrooms!

[@xxheathenxx6402]

The Ball brand lids are Bomb

[@sayuas4293]

Are the cheap ones safe for shaking the jar strongly to loosen the spawn?

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

I use them and they work, but I spray everything down with isopropyl and shake in front of the flowhood. If you don't have a hood, I would go with the more expensive mason tough tops with the silicone sealing ring.

[@moemus9495]

Hey would those lids work on 16oz masion jars or are they for 32oz?

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Mason jars, no matter what size, have two lid options, regular mouth (70 mm) and wide mouth (90 mm). There are PP5 plastic lids available for both sizes.

[@moemus9495]

@@RenegadeMushrooms thank you G I have 16onz regular mouth, I appreciate the quick relpy

[@BDK56]

I don’t have a drill. How can I put holes in lids? Can I heat an awl or nail and penetrate

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Yup, that would work. But how can you survive without a cordless drill???

[@BDK56]

Lol. I have up until now. I have a corded one. I never used it

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

@@BDK56 Well nows a great time to try it out. Buy a 1/4" drill bit for $5 and drill some lids. Just wear a leather glove on the hand you hold the lid with so you don't cut yourself. It could be a life changing experience 😁

[@BDK56]

I just ordered one on Amazon! Leather glove. Good tip. Do I drill over piece of wood?

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

@@BDK56 Definitely over a piece of wood yes, and drill from the top down through the lid 👍

[@puttnaroundoutdoors5517]

Maybe I missed it, but did you pressure cook the jars with water to see is the stayed leak proof?

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

No, I just held them upside down full of water to see if they leaked. I definitely recommend using a lid with a silicone sealing ring for liquid culture though. They stay liquid tight and are fine in the PC.

[@koltoncrane3099]

One question is do the filters ever need replacing? If so maybe using steel lids don’t matter. Do the lids really rust if you glue them around the hole? I’ve opened five year old bottles and they weren’t rusty. I did open like a 15 year old bottle and you could tell the lid was rusty or degraded so I know they degrade but bottled jar lids last for years before going rusty.

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

The filters seem to hold up well for 12 to 15 runs in the PC, sometimes longer. They definitely hold up better on plastic lids then they do on steel lids. The steel lids will rust under the filter when drilled and you will see the rust staining through the filter. The key when sticking the filters on to the plastic lids is to make sure the hole is smooth (clean up your burs) and clean (wipe down with rubbing alcohol).

[@koltoncrane3099]

So you can’t rtv glue the hole on both sides to prevent rust on steel lids? I’ve been debating about getting steel vs plastic lids for two weeks now. I guess I should try both. Like some say the plastic ones leak or the plastic lids have a seal that falls out. I’ve worked with seals before and it does suck when they fall out. And then some say black or white lids one is better. I guess I should try them all. I notice microppose makes affordable filters etc rather then using the other kind. Ya I guess I’ll just experiment with both kinds and see if it still rusts even gluing the bottom side. I suppose maybe it doesn’t prevent the steel from being exposed to water.

[@koltoncrane3099]

So you can’t rtv glue the hole on both sides to prevent rust on steel lids? I’ve been debating about getting steel vs plastic lids for two weeks now. I guess I should try both. Like some say the plastic ones leak or the plastic lids have a seal that falls out. I’ve worked with seals before and it does suck when they fall out. And then some say black or white lids one is better. I guess I should try them all. I notice microppose makes affordable filters etc rather then using the other kind. Ya I guess I’ll just experiment with both kinds and see if it still rusts even gluing the bottom side. I suppose maybe it doesn’t prevent the steel from being exposed to water.

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

@@koltoncrane3099 RTV will prevent the steel lids from rusting where you drill, but all steel lids will rust eventually. I still use steel lids for liquid culture because I can't afford leaks. For grain spawn jars though, you can't beat a PP5 plastic lid with a filter disc and injection port from Microppose.com. I'm not endorsed by them, I just like their stuff. I'm personally not a fan of the syringe filters for jar lids, I much prefer the self-adhesive disc style that Microppose sells. The syringe filters are too prone to trapping and retaining moisture imo, eventually leading to mold contamination.

[@koltoncrane3099]

Okay thanks!! That helps. I was like can you use plastic lids for LC or not. Ya I’ll do the metal lid for no leaks for LC and then do PP5 for Grain spawn. Have you tried stainless steel lids? Or Have you ever had a seal melt on the PP5 as some only go to 249 degrees? Maybe a PC isn’t going to damage them. That was another concerned I’ve heard about. Ya those microppose stick on filters seem way easier haha or convenient.

[@pretaone8441]

Which lids would you recommend for lc out of these?

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Mason Tops Tough Top lids for LC definitely.

[@superagentHH]

The Ball lids are great in WIDE MOUTH setting. Regular mouth lids are too small for our shenanigans given the branding on them.

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

I use a lot of both. I do prefer the regular mouth for liquid culture, but the wide mouth are nice for grain.

[@elizabethtseng1658]

May I ask where can I buy these jars?

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

The canning jars are widely available in my area at all of the grocery stores. The lids I usually order online from Amazon.

[@pammotl2584]

What are the filters called and where to get?

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

microppose.com/

[@pammotl2584]

@@RenegadeMushrooms filters

[@bradmcclure4945]

which lid would be best for liquid culture??

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Definitely the Mason Tough Tops lids, or the old school metal lids for liquid culture.

[@ShouldaWaved]

Im gonna try to clone a herecium this summer, coral hedghog, should be interesting, never done anything, but i feel like the blind man can see

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Awesome, sounds like a good plan. I just started cloning my own wild mushrooms a couple of years ago. I've always done liquid culture, so working with agar was challenging at first, but now I really enjoy it.

[@ShouldaWaved]

@@RenegadeMushrooms I found this one spot where there's lots of gold chanterelle and lobster mushrooms. I never see morels, I found a bunch of black trumpets. Now is snow, look for the most hardy pre poured agar plates on that site, im kind of overwhelmed with ocd lol

[@mattnsim]

I always wondered if the cheap plastic lids worked in the pressure cooker. Seems they did!

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Yes, they work great. They key is just making sure they are PP5 plastic. PP5's high melting point allows it to survive the PC.

[@Galvoflysoz]

You can buy silicon gaskets to suit the cheaper lids. There also cheap. And there good quality.

[@Perryloc]

In the discription they say not for use in pressure cooker. I have used the three Walmart has in store. Mainstays, ball, and tough.

[@DrGaryGreen]

Are those zircon encrusted tweezers? 😆

[@ovic8737]

i am following, interested

[@BhaktiSangeetSaini]

Dolllar store has metal one 5 for $1,25

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

I still use the metal lids for some things, but plastic has definite advantages too. If cost is your only consideration, metal are the cheapest no doubt.

[@Galvoflysoz]

My Microppose lid filters changed the holes look a lot bigger than the originals I got. I've tried contacting microppose several time in a multitude of ways and there has not been one answer . But the pics definitely show a huge difference. I can't trust them or the company anymore as they wont even answer or respond.

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

I think they may have changed suppliers, I noticed the difference in my last order as well. The new filters seem to be working fine for me though. When WillyMyco first featured them on KZbin, I'm sure their sales took off like crazy and with all the Covid supply chain issues, I bet they are overwhelmed. I understand your frustration.

[@Galvoflysoz]

@@RenegadeMushrooms just a simple reply would be nice . I havnt been rude or anything wasn't after a refund. Was just asking the question. I did suffer some contam issues with the new filter patches on . But that was probably from another issue. I have been putting micropore tape over them just in case. Now I'm just using micropore tape. Not sure if it makes a difference? Micropore is a lot cheaper but a bit messier.

[@dougreynolds2813]

i found a seller who will sell me 120 of those black ball lids for $80; that sounds pretty good doesn't it?

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Yes, that sounds very reasonable and they seem to work well. I see lots of cultivators using them.

[@DrGaryGreen]

Just noticed that the Ball jar lids are made in Malaysia. It's always good to not send money to China because that's giving aid and comfort to a government that really doesn't like us. Also, Malaysia was my home for 17 years and I'm happy to see them getting your money.

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Ah never noticed that. I'm still rocking the metal lids for liquid culture, and actual canning of course. Everything else is plastic now for me.

[@MckyeB]

yes, do not support a government that looks down on us and considers its people to be cattle.

[@SolarSeeker45]

Just so ya know. You can buy the silicone gaskets separate.

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Yes, I know. I've actually discussed them in detail in some of my other videos. They can work, but they have their own issues. They pale in comparison to the gaskets in the Masontops Toughtops lids. I've used both extensively, and I have no skin in the game. In this instance, you get what you pay for.

[@1871corporationUSA]

The silicone gaskets don't seat correctly 100% of the time

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

@@1871corporationUSA agreed

[@kartalbaba981]

👌👌👌👏👏👏👍👍👍

[@Michael-Humphrey]

parafilm around the lid

[@RenegadeMushrooms]

Good tip, I've started using the cheap reusable silicone sealing rings to get a better seal, but parafilm or something similar is also a good option.

[@girththeogre]

"Why are you living in the stone age?" More like: "The Stoned Age" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... IDK what's wrong with me. I apologize!