Testing XMP settings in dual and single rank.

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Actually Hardcore Overclocking

Actually Hardcore Overclocking

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@noreng9333
@noreng9333 4 жыл бұрын
When it comes to IOLs and RTLs, the way to tighten them is to use the IOL Offset value. The way IOL Offset and IOL work together is that when your motherboard is training correctly, the sum of IOL and IOL Offset equals 28 or 27 (i.e. 7 for IOL and 21 for IOL Offset). If the sum over IOL and IOL Offset is some large value like 32 or 35, you need to lower IOL Offset until the sum of IOL and IOL Offset starts to add up to 28 again. This can improve your DRAM latency (as measured by AIDA64) by a couple of nanoseconds. Lower IOL Offset can also help you boot higher memory speeds as it helps the memory controller time well. Conversely, if your motherboard is training good IOL values, increasing the IOL Offset can actually make your motherboard train tighter RTLs and IOLs, this is how those Z490 Apex running 4600+ MHz with IOLs at 4/4 are reached.
@nskpsycho
@nskpsycho 4 жыл бұрын
Ahh yes. I understand some of these words.
@js-gc2hk
@js-gc2hk 4 жыл бұрын
@@nskpsycho I just use Ryzen Dram cal And then put Extreme and use that to tune the ram
@CanuckTech
@CanuckTech 4 жыл бұрын
Any idea how to change the IOL offset on a GB Z370 gaming 7? I don't see it in BIOS and Memtweakit doesn't allow changes to latency timings.
@noreng9333
@noreng9333 4 жыл бұрын
@@CanuckTech Gigabyte lacks those options (at least on the LGA1151 boards)
@CanuckTech
@CanuckTech 4 жыл бұрын
@@noreng9333 Do you know if GB B550 or X570 or Z490 boards have IO latency offset & PPD 0?
@marceldiezasch6192
@marceldiezasch6192 4 жыл бұрын
I've done gaming benchmarks with manually overclocked SR vs. DR B-Dies a while back. TL;DR: A 4133 DR overclock is slightly superior in most games to a 4500 SR overclock. Exceptions were some very old titles, that simply don't need the additional throughput, so they prefer the lower latency SR overclock. This was back with Z390, when there was like 1 specific Gene BIOS (I think 0602) that could actually work well with 16 Gig B-Die DIMMs. In the German Hardwareluxx forum there has been a lot of testing and discussion about this topic as well and the conclusion appears to consistently favor DR. Especially when you consider that now with the Z490 Apex, you can run DR DIMMs at 4500 and in some very lucky cases 4600 with tight subs and everything. On Ryzen 3000, this would be the easiest discussion ever. For actual daily performance, both are limited to 3800 anyway, so SR doesn't even get the benefits of having higher clocks anymore.
@geonerd
@geonerd 4 жыл бұрын
This is so GLORIOUSLY NERDY and AWESOME!! :)
@jeffreyyoung1585
@jeffreyyoung1585 4 жыл бұрын
Here is a Chinese post from an MSI motherboard engineer whose specific focus on memory overclocking. In this post, he mainly focuses on RTL/IOL optimization in MSI z490 mobo. You can use Google translate for better understanding (although it is still a mess). www.chiphell.com/thread-1959959-1-1.html For more instant, there is said that adjusting BIOS setting txp to 4, ppd to 0, you will get a huge improvement in latency. There must be some magic happened imo
@sfbptank
@sfbptank 4 жыл бұрын
The MSI engineer is on youtube too. kzbin.info very educational video if you can understand chinese;)
@morzhabyss
@morzhabyss 4 жыл бұрын
BZ, please stop thinking that your videos are too long, I think all of us (followers) really love your rambling. Cheers!
@bighairycomputers
@bighairycomputers 4 жыл бұрын
New hobby: Finding a Buildzoid video where he doesn't mention that he has gone over his 30 minute goal.
@TheLateral18
@TheLateral18 4 жыл бұрын
this is the only chart that had me glued to the screen and didn't put it in the background while I play a game lol
@mesaber86
@mesaber86 4 жыл бұрын
Why? This has been known for ages.
@NotThatGuyJD
@NotThatGuyJD 4 жыл бұрын
BuildZoid releases a video on a spreadsheet with 16 lines of data. Me: *looks at video length* nice
@farrengottu1
@farrengottu1 4 жыл бұрын
i would love to see this with a ryzen 3000 or 5000 cpu
@XionEternum
@XionEternum 4 жыл бұрын
This makes me miss the good ol' days of DDR2 800 4-4-4-12-1T...
@arkama67
@arkama67 4 жыл бұрын
Linpack and Linx are the only tools I use now to test for stability. You save so much time and you know really quickly if it's correct or not. Unlike cinebench which can pass but not be truly stable.
@brunosalezze
@brunosalezze 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice work, and about a benchmark sensitive to latency and frequency, the Ryzen Dram Calculator (should work with intel cpus), the tab MEMbench has two benchmarks (Easy and Default), at least to me, I could see the improvements as I was changing the mem settings.
@mpeugeot
@mpeugeot 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this, kind of opened my eyes regarding RAM performance.
@2020Tech4U
@2020Tech4U 4 жыл бұрын
Oh btw I love your videos they really helped me to figure my hypothesis and it's great to see someone actually shows RAM it's deserved respect and simplifies the process lol
@cacheman
@cacheman 4 жыл бұрын
8:20 I believe a basic LSB radix sort on a very large array of random integers would be a very latency-dependent workload, if you need one. You're accessing large sections of RAM basically randomly at first, but copying very small amounts of data each time. Essentially no computation involved, just loading small amounts of data and copying them around.
@MrDrago1954
@MrDrago1954 4 жыл бұрын
Buildzoid, I know your time is valuable, so you make the call. Would it be worth your time and your viewers to give an explanation of ALL the ram timings available on a motherboard and the ranked impact of each one on overall performance? I seem to remember not too many years ago a chart I used for manual ram timings that had like two dozen ram timing adjustments. Are all those adjustments still offered thru the Bios on current Mobos? Anyway, maybe someday when you have more time.
@mattiasolsson3557
@mattiasolsson3557 4 жыл бұрын
The added latency from 4 dimms might be entirely motherboard dependent. I run 4000C17 g.skill dimms on my WS Z390 Pro and I get very similar results in the 38-40ns range with 2 and 4 dimms at 4300@C18 in AIDA. Is the MSI you used daisy chain? Have we perhaps stumbled upon some advantage of having t-top?
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking 4 жыл бұрын
the topology shouldn't directly translate to a latency impact however the board running looser sub timings to compensate for the topology would.
@mattiasolsson3557
@mattiasolsson3557 4 жыл бұрын
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking That could explain it I guess, if that turns out to be a general rule it might be worth doing some further investigations. If so it would be interesting to see 4xSR vs 2xDR and if there is a latency difference on daisy chain boards.
@JabbaDuhNutt
@JabbaDuhNutt 4 жыл бұрын
So what's the best I can do for FPS on 2x16GB?
@extremeoverclockingyobbo5467
@extremeoverclockingyobbo5467 4 жыл бұрын
apparently the other rtl/iol training issue can be due to it starting with the wrong one of the three timings that train rtl/iols..
@TheSilviu8x
@TheSilviu8x 4 жыл бұрын
For the oversimplification sake, four SR dimms in dual channel is similar to the SMT or HT technology, for the memory controller. This is relevant today, with the fastest ddr4, because of the number of clocks between operations, it's so big, there's room for other memory operations... Four DR in dual channel induces too much latency, is not beneficial. There's that, I've saved you some time.
@PyromancerRift
@PyromancerRift 4 жыл бұрын
Dude you're killing me. I have an x570 aorus itx with 2x16 3600 cl16 new ballistix and it was not working. Then i saw that vid and put it on 2T and it works. Everybody says itx boards are good for ram because of 2 slots and ballistix overclocks well and i was crying in a corner with my setup not even doing xmp.
@DClaville
@DClaville 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, nice info! would have been nice to have 3600 CL18 on the spreadsheet also as it seems so many people buy it these days
@imadecoy.
@imadecoy. 4 жыл бұрын
When thinking of benchmarks that are latency dependent, Far Cry New Dawn sure comes to mind. Not too many ideas on non gaming options though.
@stigi3849
@stigi3849 4 жыл бұрын
Buildzoid is MY best friend:)
@Cabezituh
@Cabezituh 4 жыл бұрын
So is equal to buy a 2x16 or 4x8 of 3600 c16 in a x570 board ? The two work in dual rank ...
@DVDFHardTarget
@DVDFHardTarget 4 жыл бұрын
Also would like to know the answer to this question? :)
@Lemard77
@Lemard77 4 жыл бұрын
cries in 3600 18-22-22-42 :( That being said I could try to tight the timings see how down it goes.
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking 4 жыл бұрын
3600 CL18 is still better at XMP than 3200 CL16
@M0oo
@M0oo 4 жыл бұрын
I have the exact same speed an timings and was not able to tweak anything, without instability :(
@deminybs
@deminybs 4 жыл бұрын
Lol a friend had same kit you have and had no luck lowering timings or raising frequency, he ended up buying the same kit I have 😂
@ligh7foo7
@ligh7foo7 4 жыл бұрын
congratulations I like 30 minute videos
@CmdrLaw
@CmdrLaw 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Buildzoid, thanks for the Video! I have the exact same Patriot 4400Mhz kit, do you have anywhere I can see the subtimings for the config you have recommended above?
@tanishqbhaiji103
@tanishqbhaiji103 4 жыл бұрын
@Buildzoid Zen 4 staring at your comment : that data doesn't fit into the cache.
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking 4 жыл бұрын
Linpack uses an 8GB dataset.
@tanishqbhaiji103
@tanishqbhaiji103 4 жыл бұрын
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking people at AMD are mad men shouldn't be surprised if they release an HBM2E model of the 6750X.
@Savitarax
@Savitarax 4 жыл бұрын
I do know that Overwatch is very heavily Memory bound. Like you can run a garbage cpu and gpu combo. And still get extremely high FPS with great memory. Like 400FPS levels of high. Now I’m curious as to how much latency or throughput it is dependent.
@evangangle3192
@evangangle3192 4 жыл бұрын
Hey man its a little unorthodox but I've found the RandomX mining algorithm to be useful for stability testing and scales performance extremely well with, especially memory latency but also throughput. Might be worth looking into, It definitely hits the system differently than anything else I've used.
@andytroo
@andytroo 4 жыл бұрын
could you repeat this with amd, as then your mem clock is tied into cpu performance in a different way? higher frequency means better cpu performance (corecache performance), not just ram. There's the step divide to 2:1 ram ratio though. there's a point where increasing frequency might won't get you value.
@carbonsx3
@carbonsx3 4 жыл бұрын
Different but similar... "Follow up to the X570 Xtreme + 4x8GB Crucial Ballistix overclocking" kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmrJc5Sep6ZoipY
@suneelseethamraju
@suneelseethamraju 4 жыл бұрын
@Actually Hardcore Overclocking Hi, I recently moved from my i9 intel rig to R9 3900X. I used a 32Gb 4000Mhz(G.Skill F4-4000C18Q-32GTZKW CL18-19-19-19-39 1.35V) kit in my previous system and migrated it to the Ryzen I thought I could go to 3800 or 3600 with tighter timings but my 3600 timings given by the DRam calculator are only stable with gear down mode. I thought I could save some money by retaining the RAM and was hoping the Zen3's memory would gain another step and would support 3800Mhz. Can you do a video about this and how to redeem this issue? I am sure there are more people out in a similar situation. Thank you.
@dennisw3892
@dennisw3892 3 жыл бұрын
@Buildzoid Which of the following would you pick to get 32GB for a Ryzen 5900x / x570 Unify setup? G.Skill Flare XKit / 2x16GB 3200 / CL14-14-14-34 (F4-3200C14D-32GFX) G.Skill Trident Z / 2x16GB 3200 / CL14-14-14-34 (F4-3200C14D-32GTZKW) Crucial Ballistix / 2x16GB 3600 / CL16-18-18-38 (BL2K16G36C16U4B) ( Micron E-Die ) Patriot Viper Steel / 4x8GB 4000 / CL19-19-19-39 (PVS416G400C9K) Huge THANKS!
@moos5221
@moos5221 4 жыл бұрын
I know this is probably answered in this or another of these videos (since AHOC explains literally everything), but maybe someone knowledgable can throw me the answer really quick: *Does the CR (1T/2T) and the tRC matter?* I notice AHOC has 2T for all modules while mine shows 1T (and 75 clocks for tRC) (3200 14-14-14-34 SR).
@malphadour
@malphadour 4 жыл бұрын
Most XMP profiles seem to default to CMT 2 - most also default to Gear Down Mode enabled(where the CL number is even) - this is a safer default as some older topology boards can struggle with 1T timings. Setting CMT to 1 can help performance as long as it runs stable. Tightening up tRC will have decent positive impact as well as this is a fairly important timing. Your can also get large gains with trrds,trrdl and tFAW which you tend to tighten up as a group. At the end of the day, you can spend, hours or days mucking about with your timings and they all help. The question is whether those gains translate into any meaningful performance gains rather than just improving benchmark scores. This is entirely dependent on what you use your PC for.
@moos5221
@moos5221 4 жыл бұрын
@@malphadour Thanks for the answer. I use my PC mainly for gaming and encoding videos + some photoshop. I bought a pair of 8GB 3466 MHz corsair DIMMs 2 years ago and got frustrated when i couldn't run them stable at 3466 on my MSI x470 gaming plus board. so i chose to let the bios autodetect the highest stable speed and just went with it since then. Do you use the AIDA memory benchmark yourself? i just checked on it and it seems there is a free trial version, maybe I should look into that one day..
@malphadour
@malphadour 4 жыл бұрын
@@moos5221 Yes I do - if you use reddit feel free to dm me: u/malphadour - happy to talk you thru assorted stuff and see if we can it running better
@Pirxel
@Pirxel 4 жыл бұрын
I'd add a column with cost of these sticks at the time you checked them, if this is to be a memory purchasing guide that is.
@corydharma
@corydharma 4 жыл бұрын
I keep seeing 16-19-19-39 timings on 2x16gb 3600 CL 16 kits. I'm new at this, but why 16-19-19-39 and not 16-18-18-38 on those kits? Is that a negligible difference? This will be my first time attempting to OC.
@sidrfen
@sidrfen 4 жыл бұрын
@ Actually Hardcore Overclocking What about Gskill F4-2933C14D-32GTZRX? What max friquence I may get on z390 with 1.45-1.5v?
@SaltyMeatHook
@SaltyMeatHook 4 жыл бұрын
Great chart!
@T.R.A.N.C.E
@T.R.A.N.C.E 4 жыл бұрын
Can you please do this with Ryzen? Would be very interesting to see how single vs dual rank scales with Ryzen's dodgy memory controller, and if it's worthwhile to run 2x8gb 3800mhz or 4x8gb 2933mhz etc.
@qlum
@qlum 4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me I still need to optimize my 32gb rev-e overclock. Currently, running 3500 16-18-18-36-T1, Which performed somewhat similar to 3800 19-20-20-t2, but I am sure there is room for improvement. I have yet to further go into subtimings. As for benchmarks As a Linux guy I wanted something I could automate on boot on a test drive, so I ran tinymembench.
@ngtflyer
@ngtflyer 4 жыл бұрын
I have a Samsung B die kit (G.Skill Trident RGB 32gb kit) that is rated 3600 16 16 36. Running that in XMP, performance is excellent.
@nathanwhite617
@nathanwhite617 3 жыл бұрын
So is it safer to run 16x2 than 8x4 if I am not running a Unify board? Let’s say an B550 Aorus Pro, ASUS B550F Gaming, or a Tuf X570 pro, basically $2 -$220 motherboard. Or does depend on the topology? 5800x
@evilsatorii
@evilsatorii 4 жыл бұрын
What is best 32GB ( 2x16) RAM kit for Zen 3 ( I already have Asus B550-E) ?
@Stalast.
@Stalast. 4 жыл бұрын
What's the easiest way to identify memory kits by their rank? I can never see Single rank or dual rank listed on product pages.
@Stalast.
@Stalast. 4 жыл бұрын
@@pcoverthink Thanks, so is this dual rank? uk.crucial.com/memory/ddr4/bl2k16g36c16u4b
@GimpyChinaman
@GimpyChinaman 4 жыл бұрын
Single- or Dual-Rank is not a feature of the RAM stick itself. SR means 1 stick per channel (so 2 sticks total) while DR means 2 sticks per channel (so 4 sticks total). Motherboards which only have 2 DIMM slots can only support SR.
@rednammoc
@rednammoc 4 жыл бұрын
@@GimpyChinaman Where did you get this information from?
@kelvinyonger8885
@kelvinyonger8885 4 жыл бұрын
@@GimpyChinaman A rank is a 64bit wide DDR4 bus. Some sticks, which want to fit more capacity, end up with double the width, meaning it's treated as 2 ranks.
@largodeeprose
@largodeeprose 4 жыл бұрын
How do i identify Sr or Dr? *edit* oh right they are all SR you just use 4 of them, got it :S
@jackgleeson8321
@jackgleeson8321 4 жыл бұрын
yay spreadsheet
@maxmustermann5612
@maxmustermann5612 4 жыл бұрын
... incoming ramble about the MSI B550 Unify-x in T minus x
@JayzBeerz
@JayzBeerz 4 жыл бұрын
Great info. Thanks bro.
@riklaunim
@riklaunim 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe NAS Parallel Benchmarks could be used here? www.nas.nasa.gov/publications/npb.html - but that's rather more on CPU, CPU communication latency.
@ignasanchezl
@ignasanchezl 4 жыл бұрын
I was looking for cheap 16gb sticks and I come to find that not all 16gb sticks are dual rank, in fact, most are single rank, and most manufacturers just don't specify which is which. I guess since 2G modules became cheaper, it is cheaper to build 16gb sticks in single rank.
@GoforceReloaded
@GoforceReloaded 4 жыл бұрын
Your "DR" setup is 4*8GB of SR ram, right ? : p (thanks for your amazing video like always : ) )
@laurelsporter
@laurelsporter 4 жыл бұрын
Yup. The difference should be negligible, between 2x2R DIMMs, and 4x1R DIMMs, at least for high speed stuff like B die or rev E.
@guruthosamarthruin4459
@guruthosamarthruin4459 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a total newb to this, but I think I'm going to aim for 4000mhz at CL15, 4 x 8gb sticks, on a Gigabyte Aorus Xtreme paired with an AMD 5950x. And, it seems like it will have to be single rank for that setup to work? Is that accurate?
@RegularDudeInTraffic
@RegularDudeInTraffic 4 жыл бұрын
I bought Crucial Ballistix 8gb x 2 kit of memory for 180 bucks like 3 years ago. 16 -16-16-39 2400 mhz, so it was trash but I bought it at the height of the memory shortage so fml. The only kind of good news is I have it running at 18-18-18-36 3200 mhz. And my board just won't run anything higher than 3200 mhz no matter what. I tried adjusting timing voltage, I used the XMP profile everything. So maybe the memory controller just can't handle it idk. But I am happy with the overclock on the shit memory I got all those years ago. Considering I paid all that money for bottom bin Micron.
@Dennzer1
@Dennzer1 4 жыл бұрын
Why can't I overclock my RAM? I've tried 40 times. I've used the DRAM calculator. I've used typhoon burner to import that HTML file into the DRAM calculator. I've tried tighter timings while keeping at 3200MHz. I've tried everything. Mobo only goes to 3200 mhz ram, but... I have an Asus Rog B450-F mobo, with Corsair RGB pro 3200MHz CL16 RAM. Can't get tighter timings. I am using a M.2 drive, corsair MP510. I am also using an EVGA Nu Audio sound card and a Asus 1660 Super video card, so there is a lot going on with the lanes.
@zpnk
@zpnk 4 жыл бұрын
Got 4x8 Viper (Samsung B-die) Blackout 4266Mhz and a MSI Z490 MEG Unify... Guess I've got some good potential for playing around with my stuff then :)
@JohnNorse
@JohnNorse 3 жыл бұрын
i got a 2x 16gb cl 16-20-20-39 and a 5800x, 3200hz. is that no good then?? its dual r. Think i can oc?
@isakh8565
@isakh8565 4 жыл бұрын
Thoughts on the new 2x16GB 4266 CL17 kits from G.Skill? Worth the extra 70 dollars over 3200 CL14 for overclocking? Talking about F4-4266C17D-32GVKB specifically.
@everope
@everope 4 жыл бұрын
worth it IMO
@mauriceelet6376
@mauriceelet6376 4 жыл бұрын
AIDA64 Photoworxx does scale very good with memory. also its near absolut perfect to see smal differences since the score variates in about 10 points to a score thats 44000 for example. CPU and uncore frequency dosnt play that much of a role so i would expext it to see scaling whit latency. iam not sure but you can even see RTL/IOL improvements of 70 to 100 points. but its not for latency only
@laggmonstret
@laggmonstret 4 жыл бұрын
Now please refresh all this for Ryzen 5000. I am curious if I should stick with my 2x16GB 3600Mhz CL16 sticks or if I have to get new memories again ;)
@faverodefavero
@faverodefavero 4 жыл бұрын
Best I could find in my country was DDR4 32gb (2x16gb) Corsair Vengeance CL15 15-17-17-35 52 1T 1.35v. According to Typhoon and Calculator it's Samsung B, 89% quality. If I crank CL to 16 and run at 1.38v I can get 3200mhz (1600 fabric) and it's stable. Question is: think I can get it to 3400mhz in CL16 1.39~1.40v on an Aorus Master, please? Which is the safe memory voltage for 24/7 x570? Thanks so much for the information : )
@akagranderojo
@akagranderojo 4 жыл бұрын
So if I subscribe I get the pcpartpicker video early or is that the only way to view the video?
@NeroKoso
@NeroKoso 4 жыл бұрын
I have 4600mhz kit.. But IMC was only able to get it up to 4200mhz. Feelsbad.
@Byrjas
@Byrjas 4 жыл бұрын
I would suggest adding a column of what memory was used exactly, as in Corsair Vengeance, G.Skill RipjawsV etc
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking 4 жыл бұрын
it's all the same memory kit because I don't have nearly enough memory kits to test all these settings with actual XMP profiles(though I can actually flash custom SPDs if I wanted to).
@KieranShort
@KieranShort 4 жыл бұрын
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking but how did you get the one kit to do both SR and DR, if the kit is DR? Can you switch of one of the ranks in the DR to make it a 50% capacity SR?
@Qyngali
@Qyngali 4 жыл бұрын
@@KieranShort 2 vs 4 sticks of RAM.
@deminybs
@deminybs 4 жыл бұрын
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I thought you got sent like 20 different RAM kits lol, whatever happened to going through each of those?
@bradmorri
@bradmorri 4 жыл бұрын
try firestrike combined benchmark on amd and intel
@ronitmehra4247
@ronitmehra4247 2 жыл бұрын
how to know if ram is dual rank or single rank before buying ?
@manoelcavalcante2045
@manoelcavalcante2045 2 жыл бұрын
Putting a 16GB 1RX8 (single rank) and another 16GB 2RX8 (dual rank) memory in the notebook can give p? Lose Performance? Both are 3200mhz CL 22 1.2V (all exclusive specs equal) / My notebook recognized dual chanel!
@juggyy5429
@juggyy5429 4 жыл бұрын
I assume this is single rank right? I'm not seeing any info about that on newegg or at the gskill site. How can you tell which is sinlge rank and which is dual rank? I plan on running 2 of these with the Ryzen 9 5900x, assuming it even works since its not on any AMD qvl. www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232977?Item=N82E16820232977
@Ironclad17
@Ironclad17 4 жыл бұрын
Not irrelevant for Ryzen. You can get a cheaper 3200cl16 2x16 DR kit that outperforms the 3600cl16 2x8 SR kits.
@georgeivanov844
@georgeivanov844 4 жыл бұрын
Is the DR 4266/CL19 memory a Corsair Dominator?
@MonstieurVoid
@MonstieurVoid 4 жыл бұрын
The TeamGroup XTREEM 4500 C18 is one of the cheapest binned kits.
@ole7736
@ole7736 4 жыл бұрын
I bet you see memory latency effects in high-FPS gaming.
@laurelsporter
@laurelsporter 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, and that's been tested. But, subtimings matter, so it's often not straightforward what is best. But, lower all-around latency, and DR, both reduce frame time spikes.
@chomper720
@chomper720 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how good DR 3800MHz CL18-19-19-39-1T would in this chart...
@derdaniel8261
@derdaniel8261 4 жыл бұрын
great video! thank you very much
@chillzgaming
@chillzgaming 4 жыл бұрын
is SOC 1.2V is Safe? Im using asrock b450 pro4, ryzen 5 3600
@ligh7foo7
@ligh7foo7 4 жыл бұрын
will zen 3 affect these xcores? also what are you thoughts on 3733 or whatever the "sweet spot" speed is?
@bmarkx2595
@bmarkx2595 4 жыл бұрын
this chart makes me feel less bad about my slow ram (4x single rank 3000cl15) as they only overclock to max 3.6ghz cl16 while single stick alone can do 4.4ghz cl20
@OneCosmic749
@OneCosmic749 4 жыл бұрын
What about quad rank with four DR sticks?
@Palahorde
@Palahorde 4 жыл бұрын
a game benchmark that's latency sensitive would be neat games likes latency as i understood?
@hayzie19
@hayzie19 4 жыл бұрын
Curious why you did not try the 4400's in DR
@goodmax48
@goodmax48 4 жыл бұрын
no ram sticks are available with XMP like that, at least for fair price
@hayzie19
@hayzie19 4 жыл бұрын
@@goodmax48 arent the patriot vipers he used have xmp 4400 cl19 profile?
@goodmax48
@goodmax48 4 жыл бұрын
@@hayzie19 they are SR B-die kits for sure
@WereCatStudio
@WereCatStudio 4 жыл бұрын
I'm getting 61500-62500 copy in Aida64 at 3666MHzCL16 with Quad Rank on Ryzen (micron E-Die)
@juliuss2056
@juliuss2056 4 жыл бұрын
uploading at 4am huh?
@swatboy79
@swatboy79 4 жыл бұрын
Gamers Nexus video related to this : kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4bOeKhsdpJpqbM
@idiocracy9530
@idiocracy9530 4 жыл бұрын
I'm one of those who has a 3200 CL14 B-die kit. And i've been hacking at it and any settings other than 3200 it does not boot. Before watching this video i tried dram calculator, viewed oc guides for this specific kit, took screenshots and carefully entered everything correctly, double and triple checked everything multiple times. Not one successful boot.
@winnieid2727
@winnieid2727 4 жыл бұрын
This may be changed with ryzen 5000 architecture
@swatboy79
@swatboy79 4 жыл бұрын
basically see : kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4bOeKhsdpJpqbM looks like 5000 series likes 4 single ranks for 2 dual ranks where 2x16GB dual ranks quoted as the sweet spot by Wendell, more videos next week hopefulyl on the matter....
@penguinton7691
@penguinton7691 4 жыл бұрын
Are you going to tighten timings on video card memory?
@444ranger444
@444ranger444 4 жыл бұрын
what how is that possible?
@penguinton7691
@penguinton7691 4 жыл бұрын
@@444ranger444 For AMD cards you can use "AMD Memory Tweak". Don't know what tool for team green maybe just edit the bios for Nvidia.
@KazeHirai
@KazeHirai 4 жыл бұрын
So I am using a MSI Z390 gaming edge AC (9700K @5G) and G.Skill 4*8 3200C14 kit. It seems no matter what timing and voltage I set it can't pass 3600MHz. Any thought? Is the Z390 serious just not good at 4 DIMM setup?
@KazeHirai
@KazeHirai 4 жыл бұрын
@mister.T Jr Thank you so much! Found that any kit that have 3600+ in the list is not supported by 4dimm. That clears my mind for months :) Now I'm satisfy with 3600C14.
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking 4 жыл бұрын
yeah that board just isn't optimized for 4 dimms. The Z490 MSI boards use a really different memory topology that plays surprisingly well with 4 dimms even though it's a daisy chain.
@ignasanchezl
@ignasanchezl 4 жыл бұрын
If you want a benchmark that is very latency dependent, then test a game. Plus that's probably the reason most of us are here. Shadow of The Tomb Raider when CPU bound scales very heavily with memory speeds.
@deminybs
@deminybs 4 жыл бұрын
F4-3200C14D-32GTZSW have had pretty good luck with these, from xmp 3200 cl14 to 3733 cl14 is seems good to me (: also can we get more ads on this video? 😂😂
@ravneiv
@ravneiv 4 жыл бұрын
how to tell if a sku is dual rank?
@asusamjad
@asusamjad 4 жыл бұрын
Could you recommend me timing 3200mhz cl 16 I have that
@dvr1337
@dvr1337 4 жыл бұрын
Do the same with 1T and quad channel:)
@OCDyno
@OCDyno 4 жыл бұрын
Does memory capacity make a difference when it comes to latency with Aida? my 32gb kit of 3200 cl16 has the same read speeds, writes are 2700MB/s and latency is 73ns. Or did I just fuck my memory somehow
@malphadour
@malphadour 4 жыл бұрын
I am guessing your on running a 3000 series Ryzen which would put your latency pretty well right where it should be. The latency scores on Ryzen are not as good as intel - something that we should see fixed with Zen3.
@OCDyno
@OCDyno 4 жыл бұрын
@@malphadour Yep, 3600. thanks for pointing it out
@malphadour
@malphadour 4 жыл бұрын
@@OCDyno www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ird0qi/for_ryzen_zen2_owners_simple_chart_of_memory/
@OCDyno
@OCDyno 4 жыл бұрын
My overclock is pretty good then, 3333mhz, 48200 read, 26666 write and 71.0ns
@malphadour
@malphadour 4 жыл бұрын
@@OCDyno Yes - that's right around 3400 CL16 numbers :)
@610jrod
@610jrod 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Buildzoid, do you know if there are any single rank 16GB sticks on the market? Or are all 16GB sticks dual rank.
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking 4 жыл бұрын
yes there are. Curcial makes some 16GB stick 16Gb revB kits. My 4000 CL18 2x16GB Ballistix max is one of them: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZKxo35-h6aZptk and: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnW0nZmDabBliJY
@extremeoverclockingyobbo5467
@extremeoverclockingyobbo5467 4 жыл бұрын
Bro wouldn't you just use 32M pi to isolate latency?
@zivnix
@zivnix 4 жыл бұрын
I've added % calculations to your data: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1O9g-sLJTX1tMZeVIJND_mlVSTN22jlpaRSPAEzX5WwE/edit#gid=0
@Fin4L6are
@Fin4L6are 4 жыл бұрын
what about quad rank?
@severgun
@severgun 4 жыл бұрын
Can someone give me timing of conclusion?
@eugkra33
@eugkra33 4 жыл бұрын
Was this tested with 1 stick or two sticks? It's single rank and dual rank total, or on each stick? If it's only 1 stick, how would doing this in dual channel impact these numbers if at all?
@malphadour
@malphadour 4 жыл бұрын
I believe he uses 2 sticks for SR and 4 sticks for DR.
@jimbononeya8376
@jimbononeya8376 4 жыл бұрын
I spent 299$ us for 2 sticks of gskill royal z 32ggb on 4000mhz only to find out my damn asus maximus 11 hero wont boot into xmp at 4000mhz... 😪 will only boot on 3600mhz
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