They Finally Did It! 2025 Suzuki DR-Z4S & DR-Z4SM

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@jl4091
@jl4091 Ай бұрын
My kick start 2001 DRZ makes 41whp on a dyno and weighs 249 lbs.I guess the good old days is a real saying.
@constantinosschinas4503
@constantinosschinas4503 Ай бұрын
Well, no Euro5+, ABS, TCS and other regulation sheet on your DRZ. Only the above is maybe more than 15lbs. Add 10lbs for the starter. I prefer raw bikes as well. But Bosch wants to sell millions of ABS units and planet must by saved from nothing.
@qtf897
@qtf897 Ай бұрын
@@jl4091 I think we have a similar bike.. mine is 2001 400e, full yoshimura, deceleration enriching circuit deleted, and jetted. Non essential plastic pulled off, Baja street kit.. suspension spring & valve. The bike is absolutely sublime, every time I ride it I’m just stunned with how good it is. 24 years old in a month🤘
@caveyful
@caveyful Ай бұрын
I used to shake my head at old dudes who said 'they dont make things like they used to' now that I'm an old dude and say the same.
@kwak1k
@kwak1k Ай бұрын
It's fuel injected so easy to tune. Pipe and flash it'll get a different beast. Lol smh
@WW-wf8tu
@WW-wf8tu Ай бұрын
Weight goes up, power goes down. No 6th gear? Not selling itself as improving itself.
@Bluecollarguy87
@Bluecollarguy87 Ай бұрын
Facts!!
@retrothruster2539
@retrothruster2539 Ай бұрын
Yep, major major fail!! I was always a Suzuki fanboy since the 80's, now I just scratch my head thinking wtf...
@chumps7974
@chumps7974 Ай бұрын
Don't understand Suzuki's thinking
@Weltbummler23
@Weltbummler23 Ай бұрын
Looks like its a wider ratio 5spd
@LPSrcbiker
@LPSrcbiker Ай бұрын
Hate the weight....
@gnr4954
@gnr4954 Ай бұрын
Been waiting years for this bike. Street legal, light enough, capable enough off road and finally efi. no more jet tuning when leaving home at sea level, to ride mtn passes at 13000 ft. 6 speed would have been icing on the cake but im beyond pleased with this update. Hopefully ditching the added exhaust eqt and a tune will help offset the hp loss and added weight..
@DirtChainy
@DirtChainy Ай бұрын
Strong new contender to eventually replace my CRF250L
@dancarlos1216
@dancarlos1216 Ай бұрын
Exactly dood. 6 spd would have been dope but I’ve been on the fence about getting a DRZ. This one with efi, gear indicator, slipper and ride by wire means aftermarket cruise control possibly!
@DirtChainy
@DirtChainy Ай бұрын
@@dancarlos1216 oh yeah add on cruise! Dang okay I’m gonna start saving my dollars
@tindalowos
@tindalowos Ай бұрын
if they dont lock the ecu making a tune impossible that is.
@dancarlos1216
@dancarlos1216 Ай бұрын
@@tindalowos They are almost always cracked I would t worry
@fabiena1787
@fabiena1787 Ай бұрын
You're entirely mising the fact that in many countries, the DRZ400 had simply been discontinued for over a decade.
@wolfpackpete6408
@wolfpackpete6408 Ай бұрын
He's mostly addressing the USA market where it's never stopped selling. I live in the UK and curious if this new model will retail here. The DRZ supermoto has always been one of my favourite bikes but somehow I've still not even riden one
@FreeTimeFeats
@FreeTimeFeats Ай бұрын
That's heartbreaking
@DaveRuss78
@DaveRuss78 Ай бұрын
​@@wolfpackpete6408it's in the UK summer 2025. Info on Suzuki UK website 😊 Happy Days!
@victoriazero8869
@victoriazero8869 Ай бұрын
@@wolfpackpete6408 And Americans are whining too much whenever new bike release are not up their specification.
@wolfpackpete6408
@wolfpackpete6408 Ай бұрын
@victoriazero8869 that is true to an extent. Too many riders are focusing too much on spec sheets and figures instead of how a bike makes them feel
@ganuvien
@ganuvien Ай бұрын
I'm anxious to see if we can get 45+ HP out of it with exhaust, intake, tune! I was gonna get the Triumph Scrambler 400 but the Grey DRZ4S is sick and they upgraded a lot more than I expected!
@DualSportDoug
@DualSportDoug Ай бұрын
I put a deposit on a gray one.
@TheDfelan
@TheDfelan Ай бұрын
@@DualSportDoug They let you put a deposit down when the MSRP hasn't even been announced yet?
@DualSportDoug
@DualSportDoug Ай бұрын
@@TheDfelan Yes, the dealer is taking deposits and has a waiting list going for the new DR-Z4S.
@DualSportDoug
@DualSportDoug Ай бұрын
@@salazam I am not lying. I am standing.
@TJ-oi5qe
@TJ-oi5qe Ай бұрын
Nothing wrong with 5 speeds if they get the ratios right. The bad news is more weight less power. I’m excited to give it a go
@Weltbummler23
@Weltbummler23 Ай бұрын
@@salazam haha ur right, its wierd. I also realized that wikipedia and other sources have the whp listed as bhp. It really did lose 2hp. But seems like it gained 20mpg. Good for adv conversions and extended range at least.
@Weltbummler23
@Weltbummler23 Ай бұрын
@@salazam im just happy i can finally convert a dual sport to a lightweight adv bike. Thats all im looking to do. Just need to make sure the wide ratio 5spd rumors are true. Otherwise can always save some money and spend $2.5k on an aftermarket ACT wide ratio gearset. Efi conversion on the old drz was a more complex project.
@vivimu
@vivimu 29 күн бұрын
@@Weltbummler23 get the crf450rl its better in every way
@Weltbummler23
@Weltbummler23 29 күн бұрын
@ better in every way except the non-race service intervals and valve checks printed in the manual
@vivimu
@vivimu 29 күн бұрын
@@Weltbummler23 all that is non sense. look up how many miles people have racked up on their 450l Hondas and get back to me
@DualSportDoug
@DualSportDoug Ай бұрын
I'm buying one. There's nothing wrong with the '02 DRZ that I've had since 2006, I just want one that's fuel injected so I can ride it from sea level to 13,000' and not have to mess with carb rejetting.
@Nowhere4u2run
@Nowhere4u2run Ай бұрын
How much did they ask for the deposit?
@NoName-c4y7h
@NoName-c4y7h Ай бұрын
Where are you going from sea level, to 13k elevation?
@DualSportDoug
@DualSportDoug Ай бұрын
@@NoName-c4y7h Nowhere in one ride. I live at about 2200' and often will ride up to about 6500' on a regular basis. Sometimes I will get as high as 7000' in a normal year. I took my DRZ to SIlverton, Colorado back in 2010 (on a trailer, with a Jeep also on the trailer) and the DRZ was useless above 9000' elevation. Silverton is about 9000' and the riding in the area tops out at 13k or higher.
@NoName-c4y7h
@NoName-c4y7h Ай бұрын
@@DualSportDoug I thought I was missing out on a sweet side road.😂 Thanks! 👍
@DualSportDoug
@DualSportDoug Ай бұрын
@@Nowhere4u2run$500
@TommyNitro
@TommyNitro Ай бұрын
I'm fine with 5 speed so long as the ratios are appropriate.
@JacobWillits
@JacobWillits 13 күн бұрын
I like those glass projector headlight it looks good on a motorcycle. I have a steaming hatred of plastic lenses on headlights
@oldschoolmotorsickle
@oldschoolmotorsickle Ай бұрын
People buy Suzuki s for the long run. This bike will have a long presence in the market, just like its predecessor. To me, Suzuki hit it just right.
@BlueRidgeKat1
@BlueRidgeKat1 11 сағат бұрын
Totally agree.
@jtb8461
@jtb8461 Ай бұрын
I have owned several DRZ's over the last 20 years. Currently have a 2011 S. And had DR350's before that back in the 1990's, even they had six speeds. Suzuki should have bumped up the displacement a bit to at least equal the outgoing model and gave it a six speed. I'll keep my well worn 2011 for a while longer 😊
@deltabravo1257
@deltabravo1257 Ай бұрын
Not sure what you mean by "Suzuki should have bumped up the displacement a bit to at least equal the outgoing model." The Current DR-Z is 398cc. the new DR-Z4S is also 398cc.
@machupikachu1085
@machupikachu1085 Ай бұрын
@@deltabravo1257 I believe he means bore and stroke it to make up for the 2 less horsepower and 5% weight gain.
@CesarRamirez-cn5fw
@CesarRamirez-cn5fw Ай бұрын
hopefully people will sell their old drz's soo i can pick them up for cheap because this new model looks and sounds mid.
@ChrisCornell79
@ChrisCornell79 Ай бұрын
There must be some kind of technical or financial reason they didn't add a sixth speed. It would be interesting to know why They made that decision.
@thebeez9487
@thebeez9487 Ай бұрын
Probably a bit of both.
@Clickmaster5k
@Clickmaster5k Ай бұрын
Because its not needed. At 37hp having 6 gears just means a super close ratio trans. On a street bike that results in just having to shift all the time and lots of short shifting and skipping gears. Iv had both an xr400sm(JDM) that is similar power and 5 speed and a DR350SE that made similar power and was a 6 speed. The 5 speed is way nicer to ride most of the time if the ratios are set right.
@burddog0792
@burddog0792 Ай бұрын
6 speed would require an entirely brand new engine, which would make the bike cost even more. As long as the gear ratios are good it isn't the huge issue people on the internet will make it out to be.
@verbalwidget0919
@verbalwidget0919 Ай бұрын
Because Suzuki does not care, and they are lazy. Look at all their other out of date bikes. DR, RMz, Vstrom650
@dr.x4050
@dr.x4050 Ай бұрын
@@burddog0792 I hope for a very wide ratio at least.
@beborodner930
@beborodner930 Ай бұрын
Well, The numbers dont sound appealing, but I wait to see how it adds up. Looks good.. i mostly care about the suspension and chassis feel. Thats really what this thing is all about. Still a sweet bike!!
@Tarkov.
@Tarkov. Ай бұрын
How big is the bump in MPG? I would hope it's pretty good, considering the slight drop in horsepower and the change to EFI
@timscortino1882
@timscortino1882 Ай бұрын
I have a 2002 DRZ and I love it. Seat really sucks after thirty minutes. So a different seat is on the horizon.
@rickz9495
@rickz9495 Ай бұрын
The drz400 has not been available in my country for about 15 years, so its great to have it back even without a sixth gear. It is probably still more fun than a crf300l
@motomc6962
@motomc6962 Ай бұрын
Crf300L is a massively underwhelming bike I bought one new like an idiot and sold it after 2 months
@JacobWillits
@JacobWillits 13 күн бұрын
​​@@motomc6962i think you are easily bored because I like my trail 125 ngl ive had it 2 months now.
@blakemyers3286
@blakemyers3286 Күн бұрын
Ahh.... think I'll settle on a new TW-200 or a Grom 😁
@rickz9495
@rickz9495 Күн бұрын
@@JacobWillits it probably depends on where you live, over here you have to do a lot of road riding before you can find any dirt. And on the road 25hp or less can get a bit lame in my opinion (and every dang Electric car is faster than you off the line).
@rickz9495
@rickz9495 Күн бұрын
@@blakemyers3286 tw200 is awsome. sadly also not available in my country, atleast not in this millennia.
@toddkurtz1468
@toddkurtz1468 Ай бұрын
It seems alot of people don't understand horsepower numbers. The outgoing drz400s sold in the US was rated at 39 horsepower at the crank, and that was by Suzuki. Dirt rider magazine ran several on the dyno and got right around 32 horsepower at the rear wheel. This new bike is rated at 37 or 38 horsepower at the crank so it will probably make around 30-31 hp at the rear wheel.
@motomc6962
@motomc6962 Ай бұрын
That’s exactly what he said in the video ? It’s down 2hp
@JacobWillits
@JacobWillits 13 күн бұрын
Its plenty of power frankly offroad its almost too big. You know how 450 dirtbikes are like a shitload of power offroad frankly. This bike is kinda straddling purposes it has to be good enough on road and offroad if you putntoo much power in it it gets hard to go offroad
@tominglis9690
@tominglis9690 Ай бұрын
Love it. Looks good and god I hate maintaining carbs.
@machupikachu1085
@machupikachu1085 Ай бұрын
@@realthing66 really? I currently have Dr.Z and a V-max. I've never had a problem with any of the carbs. Ever. The V-max has eight carbs and 75000+ miles with zero problems.
@machupikachu1085
@machupikachu1085 Ай бұрын
@@salazam Exactly. Bro swallowed the Fuel Injection Kool Aid.
@victoriazero8869
@victoriazero8869 Ай бұрын
There are a lot of comments whining, completely missing the point of internationalizing the model to keep up with times. Of course some sacrifices will be made, some old feature kept, and additional features tacked on to milk new system (ECU + TBW). While the Americans are whining, Europeans and Australians are kneeling that they FINALLY can get one.
@kwak1k
@kwak1k Ай бұрын
The drz has been gone for over 15 year's in Europe. Im happy about this new one.
@vivimu
@vivimu 29 күн бұрын
lol@europe
@JacobWillits
@JacobWillits 13 күн бұрын
That sucks to hear considering eastern europe usually a warzone youd think these basic old suzukis would be useful over there
@BlueRidgeKat1
@BlueRidgeKat1 11 сағат бұрын
I'm glad for you. Suzuki knows where bikes sell and where people use them daily!!!!
@LatexFelkin
@LatexFelkin 10 күн бұрын
Got my pre order in as of yesterday, so pumped for this bike to arrive!!
@BlueRidgeKat1
@BlueRidgeKat1 11 сағат бұрын
Lucky dog!!!
@sumo_steve45
@sumo_steve45 Ай бұрын
Excellent video young man. Very well delivered.
@kingofpropain7493
@kingofpropain7493 Ай бұрын
I take my 05 Drz from sealevel to 4500ft all day and ive never once thought the carb was holding me back. Im gonna guess its gonna have flameout issues like the crf450rl and be jumpy off idle because the idle mixture has to be crazy lean to meet emissions.
@Snarkyafterthoughts
@Snarkyafterthoughts Ай бұрын
I'm sort of happy about the five speed, means they can't go crazy on the price if they expect to sell any. I live in mountains between 5500 to 12000 all within a half hour, EFI matters more in my case.
@JacobAnawalt
@JacobAnawalt Ай бұрын
People talk about this a lot, and your spread is a bit more, but I've not noticed an issue as I range from 4,500' to 9,700' tooling around the mountains in my area with the stock carb and no mods. Same on my TW. Was this more of a thing for much older bikes, or for going from sea level to 10k, or maybe I'd notice it if I were going up another 1k feet?
@warren2129
@warren2129 Ай бұрын
Yea like others have stated. Weight up, power down, no 6th gear and higher price. I was thinking about getting one, now I might try to catch a deal on a 24 model, especially since there are tons of aftermarket parts for it and probably none for the new bike. I will add that in a year or two there will probably be a programmer for the new bike so might actually make a little more power than the older models then idk.
@JacobWillits
@JacobWillits 13 күн бұрын
I hope they keep selling the old bike in usa ngl just because we need some bikes that dont need a computer chip to run
@Jacob99174
@Jacob99174 Ай бұрын
About time!
@greyfisher3897
@greyfisher3897 Ай бұрын
I guess.... my 2002 DRZE still runs strong...hard to keep up with the jones.....I would rather just own a bike that starts and doesn't break down and has parts when needed..that kind of thing. To each their own in the end....I am a championed enduro rider, veteran now, and my current single track rides are simply great, I am not going to complain....some people can only dream about this type of regular activity. Cost for me owning this bike...lets see...$5000 new, divided by 22 years...well thats $20/month plus wear and tear items......bargain...Still hasn't left me stranded, not once.....and the carb has never been removed or needed to be removed for any reason...runs like a top. Lets face it...its still a DR....5 speed. medium power. affordable...reliable. cult status.
@gabrieltiso8537
@gabrieltiso8537 Ай бұрын
Be interested to see how the new gearing is improved. Miss my old drz sm and personally always liked the 90's looking headlight (with LED bulb). Once all the components are available perhaps an efi conversion for the old bikes. Biggest annoyance with the old drz is highway riding and the ritual to check oil 😂
@LoneWolfEnglish
@LoneWolfEnglish Ай бұрын
yeah I prefer the old retro style headlight (rectangle) hope there will be mods to use the old headlight plastic
@gabrieltiso8537
@gabrieltiso8537 Ай бұрын
@@salazam that's true probably way more trouble and expense than it's worth.. just thinking for those who have the og model and want the efi perks
@CorridorCulprit
@CorridorCulprit Ай бұрын
I was really excited to see this bike get updated, but waiting until May for the supermoto puts a damper on things. If the price can stay under 8500 I'll probably still get one and just ride an old one until it comes out
@mehdibb4186
@mehdibb4186 Ай бұрын
This bike is a dual sport and does not need 6 speed - it has enough power to do everything it needs to do with the 5 gearbox
@bronsondempsey7812
@bronsondempsey7812 Ай бұрын
It looks freaking sick
@alphajed7700
@alphajed7700 Ай бұрын
And now, it's time for Yamaha to update their dual sport
@DStabs720
@DStabs720 Ай бұрын
A WR300R would feed families
@garys596
@garys596 Ай бұрын
@@DStabs720 yeah I'd love an updated wr250r in a 300 or 400 variant.
@theredrider78
@theredrider78 Ай бұрын
It will be interesting to see how much power can be pulled out of it with a tune, and how much weight can be left in the workshop bin.
@LPSrcbiker
@LPSrcbiker Ай бұрын
It was already a pork chop, now it's gained another 20 pounds? I was excited until I heard that. These new updated versions of older machines keep gaining weight.....like my 2020 KLX300R which is a porky 280 pounds. The old carb version of the KLX was only 245. When you are in an exhausting ride and u lay one down that extra weight makes a huge difference picking it up and getting going again.
@TheDfelan
@TheDfelan Ай бұрын
Weight wise, coming from a T7, I think I'll be juuuust fine 👌
@georgehanson2978
@georgehanson2978 Ай бұрын
And still no tach
@JacobWillits
@JacobWillits 13 күн бұрын
I wonder where 20 pounds came from
@BlueRidgeKat1
@BlueRidgeKat1 11 сағат бұрын
@@JacobWillits Tech stuff like ABS etc to make it European compliant. Suzuki knows where bikes sell the most and the people who use them daily.
@clintr1221
@clintr1221 Ай бұрын
TFL, hasnt anyone noticed the commercial was filmed in Denver, by the convention center and up into the Colorado mountains?
@6226superhurricane
@6226superhurricane Ай бұрын
"waiting for a more modern 6 speed" the first production bike with a 6 speed was the 1965 suzuki hustler 250cc. die hard drz400 fans are happy with a stronger more reliable 5 speed and would be happy if it was just a slightly wider spread. we also know that you cant just add an extra gear on top without making the engine unnecessarily large. die hard drz owners are completely unconcerned about efi, especially the australian drz400E owners that have the fcr39mm 48hp and 29.5lb/ft of torque and a bike that weighs 15kg less.
@verbalwidget0919
@verbalwidget0919 Ай бұрын
Die hard DRZ fans deserve this toad. 🐸
@JacobAnawalt
@JacobAnawalt Ай бұрын
^^^ THIS !!! :)
@JacobWillits
@JacobWillits 13 күн бұрын
I dont have a problem with how many gears it depends on how slow the bottom is and what the higher maintainable cruising speed is.
@Motoxlight
@Motoxlight 17 күн бұрын
So the sm model will be stuck with front ABS on? :/
@hgrenadegames
@hgrenadegames Ай бұрын
I got so stoked seeing the headline... only to be bummed out. I will stay with my old 2012 KTM 350 EXCF SM, fuel injected 47hp, 240lbs. I still prefer the ride quality of the old DRZ400-SM but it was just too slow.
@kiplambel4052
@kiplambel4052 Ай бұрын
Finally did what? Without a 6 speed, it's effectively the same bike. Might as well buy a 2001. And 2 fewer HP, that you have to rev higher to reach??? FAIL
@DirtChainy
@DirtChainy Ай бұрын
If someone is riding big changes in elevation, like here in CO, EFI is big Edit: but you’re not wrong that same transmission is disappointing
@kiplambel4052
@kiplambel4052 Ай бұрын
@@DirtChainy Yeah, that's fair. And tbh, I don't know if they've changed the gear ratios. A 6-7% increase in the spread would make a big difference on the highway, while still keeping them (the lower 3 anyway) close enough to be useful on the trail.
@DirtChainy
@DirtChainy Ай бұрын
@ that’s my hope too, but you think they would be happy to brag about increased ratios. I guess we’ll see. Ride safe homie
@ausforce1
@ausforce1 Ай бұрын
​@DirtChainy they would have me turned it for sure, hey. Sadly, Suzuki has been making their bikes worse, not better for years now. Their only selling point was cheaper prices but I can bet this will cost more than the last one.
@DirtChainy
@DirtChainy Ай бұрын
@@ausforce1 I’m sure you’re right about that
@wasawasablingbling
@wasawasablingbling Ай бұрын
1:31 “diehard” fans can swap carburetor jets on the side of the road . This bike is for the new fans
@JacobWillits
@JacobWillits 13 күн бұрын
Okay well i dont want to rejet my bike on the side of the road bro. If it was like a bike for a mechanics parts guy to run to the parts spots to pick up a screw or a belt and it never leaves the local area and gets used often a carb isnt bad. A carb doesnt need a computer chip bro. But with the computer chip comes great things. The old dr is throttle cable, the new one a wire, which do you want bro
@MrRGM10
@MrRGM10 Ай бұрын
Guys take it easy its a 5 speed but wide ratio . Its fine for what it is dont expect doing topspeed 100miles pr hr
@leighhill9185
@leighhill9185 Ай бұрын
Where is that stated?
@JacobWillits
@JacobWillits 13 күн бұрын
Nothing wrong with a good 5 speed my firsst bike out ofnthr msf was an old honda 5 speed and shed get up to 125mph well into its 30s a really old horizontal vtwin 650. What were they even thinking but it was interesting ill give them that
@z33tanner
@z33tanner Ай бұрын
Bummer, 5spd, heavier, less power. All the electronics to add complexity.
@BlueRidgeKat1
@BlueRidgeKat1 11 сағат бұрын
....... all the electronics to make it European compliant where bikes sell and people use them every day. Suzuki is not stupid. Just like the reason they make a V-Strom 250 for countries where many people only own 1 small motorcycle for all their transportation.
@greyfisher3897
@greyfisher3897 Ай бұрын
Well, good news for sure....I just changed the oil on my 2002 street legalized (here in Canada) DRZE400, with kick starter option...since new. Ya I have a T7 for a few years now, but hey, single tracking in the B.C. forests on a new set of Pirellis Mt90 trials tires, and geared stock (top speed 95km/hr). What can I say, I veteran rider, championed on a 1983 PE175 back in the day, instructed etc. The DRZE has proven itself as a model line, I would take one around the world...if I could. The DRZE with bigger carb, header, lower gearing, plastic tank etc...is a true enduro bike, by my defintion and era.. The new DRZ4 looks fine fine fine....now how do I fit a DE800 and a new DRZ4 into my stable....Equally loyal to my Yamahas, and my T7 has become part of me as I nearly enter my 60's. I have always known I have been living through the great motorcycle engineering years...gasoline versions. Wish I was younger.....22 years on one bike...that is incredible engineering....and yes..I ride, I wear out tires.....and change the oil a lot.....hence the long life.......Great review....great time to be a motorcyclist.
@sspirito3130
@sspirito3130 Ай бұрын
Does it come with a radiator fan? The old one didn't have a fan, which was a problem in slow technical trails
@Jerkwilkesbooth
@Jerkwilkesbooth Ай бұрын
I sold my DRZ400 and got a Honda XR650L. So glad I made the change!
@JacobWillits
@JacobWillits 13 күн бұрын
Why didnt you get dr650 or klr 650
@Jerkwilkesbooth
@Jerkwilkesbooth 12 күн бұрын
@@JacobWillits I'm 6'3 and the DR is too short. The KLR is too much of a road bike with added weight and less suspension travel. The XR is perfect for me in every way. It's still old school tech like the DRZ but it's taller, has more power, same weight, and is arguably more reliable. Everyone's needs are different but for me the XR is perfect.
@Jerkwilkesbooth
@Jerkwilkesbooth 12 күн бұрын
@@JacobWillits Oh, and one more thing, the XR seat is super comfortable on long rides in it's stock form. The DRZ has the worst seat possible.
@qtf897
@qtf897 Ай бұрын
How in the frig did they make it heavier?? My plated 400e lightly modified is only 270lbs.. and that’s with the big clunky shocks & headlight.. AGM battery.
@constantinosschinas4503
@constantinosschinas4503 Ай бұрын
@@qtf897 Euro5+ emission rules which dictate a catalyst plus evaporation canister and SAS kit. This also means lean fuel and lower HP. Then you have ABS and TCS added, also due to regulations, for the former at least. All the above is at least 5 or more kilos extra. Thank god they did not go with the A2 license as well, which would mean minimum 175Kg for the bike when wet.
@qtf897
@qtf897 Ай бұрын
@ stripped of all non-essential BS it could be a pretty awesome bike, hopefully the ethos of Suzuki historically will pull through and it’ll be easy to flash and mod. If a full emissions delete is possible with an exhaust, couple port plugs, and a flash.. this bike could be unreal if it landed under 300lbs and + 7-10hp.
@JacobWillits
@JacobWillits 13 күн бұрын
​@@constantinosschinas4503i as an american do not want to buy any bike thats trying to comply with any tyrannical bullshit going on in that european nightmare
@TimRHillard
@TimRHillard 22 күн бұрын
This bike will almost surely be in my garage someday.
@PerroSanto-hl9ud
@PerroSanto-hl9ud Ай бұрын
I’ve been dreaming of a new model I wouldn’t be able to resist buying, to each their own but this doesn’t even tempt me and I’m a Suzuki fan.
@CraigSmith568
@CraigSmith568 Ай бұрын
I'll be sticking with my current one.
@constantinosschinas4503
@constantinosschinas4503 Ай бұрын
Wonder how it will run without a catalyst, plus an open exhaust and air filter, paired with an ECY remap. Should we see more than 43HP+ (crank) at the top end? If the price is fair, despite the useless electronics, it may be a very nice general use bike. Wonder if they added any balancing shafts and so on for vibrations.
@jeffreystroman2811
@jeffreystroman2811 Ай бұрын
If the most exciting part of the new bike, is that you can fully turn the new mods off (abs) then im fine with my 2000, had to check my ins. Card for the year, bad ass bike
@hadesomegamoto7639
@hadesomegamoto7639 Ай бұрын
Where's the updated DR650?
@jasonhowell9589
@jasonhowell9589 Ай бұрын
So they did a little bit of upgrades to the head in the EFI but I bought you the bottom end is still the same and they probably didn't get the wide gear ratio like everybody always does
@fatneck2008
@fatneck2008 Ай бұрын
I had one but hated the carburetor - about time Suzuki pulled their finger out their arse with this, good job!
@davidm.4698
@davidm.4698 Ай бұрын
Well done 🎉
@charliehustle6508
@charliehustle6508 Ай бұрын
I'm all in first bike and it's got a gear indicator let's go!
@Matthew-zw9su
@Matthew-zw9su Ай бұрын
Some nice updates. Excited to learn more and compare to the ktm 390. If the ratios on the 5speed do not change, then not for me though.
@auntjanet2346
@auntjanet2346 Ай бұрын
There will be a KTM 390 sumo next year as well.
@motozz8258
@motozz8258 Ай бұрын
That's comparing oranges to apples , Suzuki is a quality manufacturer , no comparison with china manufacturing ktmthings bike Whistles and bells may read better on the china bike
@auntjanet2346
@auntjanet2346 Ай бұрын
@@motozz8258 I think the KTM 390 bikes are made in India, not China. Don't know which is worse.
@desertdrz7618
@desertdrz7618 Ай бұрын
Sooo EXCITED!
@jasonhowell9589
@jasonhowell9589 Ай бұрын
So you got electronic fuel injection but you don't get different power mode you get a real basic display
@hydroboy35th
@hydroboy35th Ай бұрын
Exhaust + tune will get that 2hp back and then some.
@JacobWillits
@JacobWillits 13 күн бұрын
I just leave my trail 125 bone stock. I put a old rag on my luggage rack underneith my cooler thats bungee chorded on as my trunk. Put a child lock on its lid and an i voted sticker i figured shes completed viola
@kurthedgecock6313
@kurthedgecock6313 Ай бұрын
The emissions BS is ridiculous. Motorcycles are not the problem. Factories in the emeging countries are the issue. I have owned 3 drzs. I will get one of these as well.
@parcadv419
@parcadv419 Ай бұрын
Interesting!! I'm hanging on to my 2014. I think all the new goodies won't wow me enuff to change. However if I live in the mountains and was dealing with jet changes I would think differently
@dfxdarrell6734
@dfxdarrell6734 Ай бұрын
Looks like the spark plug is now accessible on the side of the cylinder. I like it, no need to remove the tank anymore
@leighhill9185
@leighhill9185 Ай бұрын
There's two spark plugs now. The other one is still under the tank :(
@dfxdarrell6734
@dfxdarrell6734 Ай бұрын
@leighhill9185 Yeah, I saw that later... I was wondering what they meant by "dual ignition"
@JacobWillits
@JacobWillits 13 күн бұрын
​@@dfxdarrell6734i garentee you its enviormenral bullshit they did to try to say they get "more complete and even combustion" and sure maybe bro but its also more complicated. On the flip side, if one spark plug goes bad i wonder if itll still run on the other
@ruthlessracing973
@ruthlessracing973 Ай бұрын
The extra weight and no 6th gear doesn't make me feel like it's an upgrade from my 2018 400sm
@robervin9107
@robervin9107 Ай бұрын
Omg alex mica yay 😂 your the best we love you proud of you every day.
@doublex632
@doublex632 7 күн бұрын
Well so much for the 3 by 3 Mod
@trevor2830
@trevor2830 Ай бұрын
What if I wanted to buy the Dual Sport model but still wanted to ride it on the road like a Super Moto? Would that be a huge difference in performance?
@TheDfelan
@TheDfelan Ай бұрын
In the corners... yes. Huge. But the S will still be fun in the twisties. You could probably throw some pirelli scorpions on it and it would still rail pretty decent though.
@trevor2830
@trevor2830 Ай бұрын
​@@TheDfelan I truly appreciate that since I want to do both
@machupikachu1085
@machupikachu1085 Ай бұрын
Just buy a 17" front rim and swap it out for road use. Keep a gnarly knobby on the 21" for the dirt.
@trevor2830
@trevor2830 Ай бұрын
@@machupikachu1085 Nice one! Any suggestions for the knobby?
@constantinosschinas4503
@constantinosschinas4503 Ай бұрын
@@trevor2830 One problem with 21" on the road is quality of tyres, their geometry, warmup time and rubber stickiness. You will not find tyres for fast road use. I did 7000km, all supermoto style on my KLX 250S this summer. The tyres became triangular. Metzeler Tourance. At the beginning they would hold ok-ish but after many cycles they started cracking. They were always funny when riding on the edge, which they easily reach, but the biggest problem was that traction diminished very quickly and warmup was subpar. Radial behaviour was inexistent as well, which is a much in higher lean angles. I had the fun of my life going 70km/h fully leaned having both tyres drfting at the same time (on less ideal tarmac), but with street tyres i would have extra leaning angle left and much better feel at the end of traction. It is not something that you cannot do, but if supermoto is your thing, go for 17" rims. I also had a flat tyre in the middle of nowhere at night time, it was not fun. So always carry a fast, especially when running tubes. Best thing is to have fun with whatever you happen to ride. 21" gives you the opportunity to drive more reckless, ie. you approach a change from tarmac to dirt road with an obvious step and 100 km/h, with 17" you brake, with 21" you... accelerate!
@Larry_Mott
@Larry_Mott Ай бұрын
It's between this and the KTM 390 for me. I currently own a 390 Adventure, spoked wheel version and i am not thrilled by the thought of less Hp and -1 gear but then again, the Suzuki should be better built and easier to maintain (like ONE oil filter etc :))
@ElliottTAlphaG700
@ElliottTAlphaG700 Ай бұрын
Aww no need for the self-flagellation bud! We like you too! At least I do, I came to see you to distract from tonight's hoopla. So thanks for sharing your smile 😉 - as for the bike I'm not a dirt bike guy
@skaraborgcraft
@skaraborgcraft Ай бұрын
No comments on a DR400 Zee, have some opinions on the DR400 Zed.......
@skaraborgcraft
@skaraborgcraft Ай бұрын
@@salazam 🤣 Excellent!
@cmbakerxx
@cmbakerxx Ай бұрын
Looks like the S model got the same upside down forks as the SM. Looks like most changes are to make it legal in EU. FI and ABS are nice additions. TC is meh. But basically this is the same bike it has always been. If they price it well it should sell atleast as well as the previous, and these changes should allow it to sell in more markets. Not really competitive with the KTM or husky bikes but still more bike than the Kaw or Honda 300 .
@TommyNitro
@TommyNitro Ай бұрын
I suspect it will continue to fill that gap.
@ryanp1874
@ryanp1874 Ай бұрын
for sure. i owned a 300 rally. it was a good bike but it was an underpowered pork chop. this bike honestly doesn’t seem bad. i absolutely hate maintaining carbed bikes
@carsacrossmissouri3250
@carsacrossmissouri3250 Ай бұрын
How did it get heavier and less hp than the current one. I’ve never had a issue with carbs. I always empty the gas if I let it sit.
@machupikachu1085
@machupikachu1085 Ай бұрын
It's actually up 4 hp. TFL clearly does not know Dr.Z's. With the weight gain, performance will be similar.
@rc10millsy
@rc10millsy Ай бұрын
Or just add a shut off.
@BlueRidgeKat1
@BlueRidgeKat1 11 сағат бұрын
This bike is made to be European compliant. FI, ABS etc. Suzuki knows where the sales are and where the people are that use their bike as primary transportation. The US market is a joke.
@alternativeperception6949
@alternativeperception6949 Ай бұрын
Not sure why the only 5 gears is such a problem it's the final ratio that counts not the amount of changes You make . I see this being a better option than the CRF 300 Pogo stick and far far better suited to trail riding than the " Unicorn " CFmoto MT450
@Nate-yv9mc
@Nate-yv9mc Ай бұрын
They are filling a void in the modern market of supermoto/dual sports with this. The 300cc bikes are too underpowered and the 500-700cc bikes are too expensive. However, It would’ve been nice to see a bump in power from the older version. I love mine and will definitely be keeping it. The modern features aren’t enough to switch. I do think this bike will probably sell well if the price is reasonable
@MrWhitelightning73
@MrWhitelightning73 Ай бұрын
EFI = I’ll finally buy one 😂
@Twowheelsandadream
@Twowheelsandadream Ай бұрын
Price?
@Brittvanegas
@Brittvanegas 18 күн бұрын
The drz needs biggest sizes valves from factory.
@TheDacane
@TheDacane Ай бұрын
The drz400s made 28-31 horsepower anytime anyone actually put it on the dyno. Im not sure if the 39 was just legend, I suspect it likely came from the offline only 400e horsepower at the crank. This shoudl be a sizeable power increase.
@High_Octane
@High_Octane Ай бұрын
forgot to mention the catalytic converter
@Theravadinbuto
@Theravadinbuto Ай бұрын
Something doesn’t add up when you say it makes the same peak torque but higher up the rev range, but the peak hp is down. Unless it drops off a torque cliff beyond peak, that’s pretty unlikely.
@itsmehadi5434
@itsmehadi5434 Ай бұрын
Do on the 390 smcr. I would like to get ur opinion on it.
@machupikachu1085
@machupikachu1085 Ай бұрын
It's overpriced junk with cams made of chocolate. You're welcome. 😋
@KaiNeufeldt
@KaiNeufeldt Ай бұрын
Less power (my DR-Z has 50hp), more wight, more complicated mechanics/electronics? And still 5 speed? Well, I think I will take good care of my old DR-Z 400 and stockpile spare parts for the years to come (I allready started) and hopefully it will last until I am too old to drive. Fortunately, I dont have to care if it is street legal - here in Cairo nearly every bike is street legal.
@tracythorleifson
@tracythorleifson Ай бұрын
If fifth gear is a true highway overdrive, a five-speed is just fine. But, yeah. No 6th is a bit of a bummer. My guess is that the reduced top end power is compensated for by flatter power delivery across the RPM range, something easily achievable with fuel injection. But we’ll see. Everything else sounds great, and it looks fantastic. And ride by wire? Can you say, cruise control? 😃
@BlueRidgeKat1
@BlueRidgeKat1 11 сағат бұрын
Why in the world would anyone want cruise control on a 400cc thumper dual sport.
@tracythorleifson
@tracythorleifson 7 сағат бұрын
@BlueRidgeKat1 - For burning down the highway, same as on any other motorcycle. I do an awful lot of highway miles on my DR650 getting to where I’m going off pavement. For instance, it’s roughly two days (16 hours) in the saddle on the highway from my home in Houston to Big Bend. Texas is _big._ I’ve got a throttle lock, but it ain’t cruise control. If you are the kind of knucklehead like me who uses his dual sport like a mini-ADV, cruise control would be a real blessing.
@DasYorgo4000
@DasYorgo4000 Ай бұрын
Hopefully they gave it a better seat, which the stock one is terrible for comfort. Honestly i love my DRZ but its a bit primitive….Needed a lot of changes to make it right, but at least its reliable…
@Xt1000
@Xt1000 Ай бұрын
Big disappointment. No six speed no $ from me.
@Weltbummler23
@Weltbummler23 Ай бұрын
Who cares as long as its a wide ratio 5
@BlueRidgeKat1
@BlueRidgeKat1 11 сағат бұрын
I doubt there care. This bike is made to be European compliant. FI, ABS etc. Suzuki knows where the sales are and where the people are that use their bike as primary transportation. The US market is a joke.
@AOL0321
@AOL0321 Ай бұрын
Yeah wright goes up, power down, 5 speed still, and traction control on a bike that doesn’t even make 40 hp? I had two DRZ-400’s with one having a full FMF titanium exhaust and a Dynojet Stage One jet kit and it was okay on power but not great. The second one I had was a totally stock 400S too and to hear they went down on power and up in weight is so disheartening. What are you thinking Suzuki?
@mangrumpyold1871
@mangrumpyold1871 Ай бұрын
Heaver, less power, no 6th gear, smaller 2.3gal gas tank and more electronics to fail. I do not think it will do well when it. I have a 2017 DR Z 400s and I will not upgrade to a less powerful unproven design. If I wanted a heaver bike with more electronics I would just get a KTM 690.
@georgehanson2978
@georgehanson2978 Ай бұрын
That headlight looks like an eBay cheap aftermarket strap on.
@aminerouane5551
@aminerouane5551 Ай бұрын
I hope the DR650SE will be the next!!
@marino4691
@marino4691 Ай бұрын
You can not have the SM in yellooooo, whyyyy
@michaelb5622
@michaelb5622 Ай бұрын
Wtf @ no 6 speed, owned a drz400s a long time ago but i gave up on suzuki and switched to a ktm 690. Would just buy a crf450rl or 350exc if i wanted smaller displacement.
@machupikachu1085
@machupikachu1085 Ай бұрын
and more maintenance.
@snupermoto723
@snupermoto723 Ай бұрын
Heavier, less power, higher revs to get the power, same ol' 5 speed, certainly far higher price, TC & ride-modes on a 40HP bike??? fail in my opinion. i'll keep my 2015.
@joshpowers3315
@joshpowers3315 Ай бұрын
Tc ride modes and abs are bullshit on any bike just more unneeded shit to break
@Weltbummler23
@Weltbummler23 Ай бұрын
lower revs due to likely wide ratio 5spd (based highlighted engine diagram, needs to be proven). Ill get the new one.
@TheGamersRace
@TheGamersRace Ай бұрын
I think one of the things that's telling with this bike is that they were trying to reuse lots of the old bikes design, that way they wouldn't have to re-tool. So while it will be higher, I think it's going to be around 7500-8500. I think that's one reason they kept the 5 speed. They can change the gear ratios without really re-tooling, and that keeps costs low. While that's disappointing, really the only reason people want a 6sp is for interstate, which can be fixed with better 4 and 5th ratios. The extra weight is from emissions, which can be removed. I think the exhaust is insanely heavy looking as well. Wait and see, I think it's gonna be sick. As for the TC, ride modes, ABS, these are obviously add-ons to comply with markets outside the US. Outside of KTM, Ducati, and other specific niche bikes there isn't really much left like this in like Euro5+ countries. It's a game changer in the market for sure, can't wait to see it in reviews. That being said, I don't think anyone would complain if they kept both models in the US. And hey, maybe give the dr650 an upgrade while keeping the old model too.
@caveyful
@caveyful Ай бұрын
Good bean-counting. Heavier bikes wear out just a little bit faster, especially brakes and tires.
@RippleBoobs
@RippleBoobs Ай бұрын
i will change my dr650 for it because i will gain 3 hp lol how far can i push a 650 in hp whitout blowing it in the same year
@danieljurgill1681
@danieljurgill1681 Ай бұрын
Everyone else is saying it makes more HP...Do not compare it to the DRZ400E, that was dirt only. Compare only to the S.
@drew.243
@drew.243 Ай бұрын
It does look nice, but I'll be keeping my 2016 Australian E model thanks 🤣🤣🤣
@dentman67
@dentman67 Ай бұрын
Stick with the older model. Less to go wrong.
@iMotoTactic00L
@iMotoTactic00L Ай бұрын
Great news but why still 5 speed??!! My 230 KLXSM has 6 speed bwahahaha ill pass!
@birddogz545
@birddogz545 Ай бұрын
So it weighs more and makes less HP than the older model. Not much of an upgrade
@machupikachu1085
@machupikachu1085 Ай бұрын
It makes more power. TFL is clueless.
@BlueRidgeKat1
@BlueRidgeKat1 11 сағат бұрын
This bike is made to be European compliant. FI, ABS etc. Suzuki knows where the sales are and where the people are that use their bike as primary transportation. The US market is a joke.
@justinstiff5641
@justinstiff5641 Ай бұрын
Less power, Same number of gears, little bit of tech. Not impressed😊 whatsoever and this was my go-to bike until I got the supermoto idea out of my head and bought a Honda XR650L. Eventually I'll get a set of supermoto wheels for my Honda. Anything over 70 mph with these tires it came with it's pretty squirrely
@gabrieltiso8537
@gabrieltiso8537 Ай бұрын
Had the same idea and changed to a dr650 and had some street wheels made for it. It's a slightly more grown up version of the drz sm I started on but feels more like a motorcycle not so much a toy
@cliffordjordan9577
@cliffordjordan9577 Ай бұрын
The DRZ 400 is 31.8HP, this is a bump up in horsepower. Why does everyone keep saying it’s less?
@snupermoto723
@snupermoto723 Ай бұрын
internet bologna, stock DRZ typically makes around 33-34 wheel HP, engine horsepower less drive-train losses. this one will dyno at 31-32 quite likely.
@ausforce1
@ausforce1 Ай бұрын
Because you are wrong 😂. Maybe the lame model your country got with the tiny carburettor 😂 but for everyone else, it is 40hp from the box.
@LPSrcbiker
@LPSrcbiker Ай бұрын
40hp at the crankshaft, 34 at the rear wheel.
@machupikachu1085
@machupikachu1085 Ай бұрын
Because TFL said it was less HP. He is wrong.
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