We Drive the Ram Rebel and Power Wagon Up a Mountain to Find the Better Truck!

[@gregraith7621]

Your reviews are so well done. And your dad is awesome!!

[@MrMatthias03]

Couldn't have said it any better, Greg. I totally agree.

[@ChevyNglockMan]

Much rather watch these off road videos than constant runs at moab on the same trails, moabs cool but moab ain't the end all be all test that people wanna see , plus mountains are allot prettier

[@zephxiii]

Yes! Totally burnt out on Moab vids.

[@chrisnewby5713]

Especially Canadian Rocky Mountains 😍

[@tomparisi4654]

Agreed, plus BC is so Beautiful. I'm so tired of Moab videos. I used to live in Phoenix and I 4 wheeled all over the SW, but my favorite was always the North woods of AZ. Thanks

[@medicchester]

I agree. Take it to the woods and swamps. Yet, I love the MPG tow, and MPG empty numbers!

[@medicchester]

If can show 4X4 MPG numbers versus 4X2 setting.

[@darrenpowell5437]

Fantastic review Stephen you’re gonna have a great career of auto journalism! TFL is fortunate to pick you up. I always look forward to your Canadian off road expeditions.

[@Ktheodoss]

Darren Powell Agreed

[@JasonWh]

Finalized my order today for a 2022 Anvil Green 75th anniversary Power Wagon! I'll take delivery tomorrow. Appreciate the multiple videos allowing me to make an informed decision!

[@JB-hi3uo]

Stephen you are the first...person to actually show the payload ratings door jamb sticker..Good on ya...small thing to show..but very important

[@RugbyLock2668]

"you can't go on TV with crap in your ear..." Classic! Now I want to see these on the hydro line when it's frozen like the way you did the Yota!

[@tyler-kc8gs]

RugbyLock0914 Finally they made this video

[@Prorex1911]

“Well that’s just dangerous... we’re about to go off the cliff.“ 😂

[@nobunaga-oda]

🤣😂

[@307nightcrawler8]

In our little 4x4 group someone has a power wagon and he takes that thing everywhere we take our Rubicon...pretty impressed with it most trips lol

[@KyleRichmond7]

Elmer is always good at explaining things. My favorite presenter. Great to see offloading in BC. Born and raised in these hills. Gets nasty real quick.

[@KatieeRBLX]

i wanna live there.

[@sunnyvalejedi]

@@KatieeRBLX BC = Bring Cash. Average Whistler house price is over $3M

[@butchcassidy7010]

that Power Wagon driver at 3:00 made a huge mistake. going outside is good if you turn on time. he missed the turn by 450 feet!!!!

[@TheV8Hooligan]

EDGAR SARIBEKYAN I thought so too.

[@FishMe99]

Writers, not drivers lol

[@jlbush3929]

EDGAR SARIBEKYAN Yeah, cracks me up watching guys who can’t drive, and therefore, usually know little about trucks, reviewing a trucks capabilities. I laughed out loud when in the turn scene he said it’s really getting muddy out here and it’s a good test of the tires.

[@endocry]

@@jlbush3929 cracks me up watching losers try to flex on the internet.

[@jlbush8249]

endocry Are you calling me a loser?

[@acjonny031]

Stephen, I do enjoy watching your reviews. Very deteail oriented, educational and a lot information. Your knowledge and experience makes a big difference. You should create your own youtube channel. Keep up the amazing work you do.

[@ddev7376]

As someone who lives on a 2019 ram 3500 truck camper exploring the back country of Vancouver Island offroad it was awesome seeing what still feels like my backyard!

[@ricwestdoesitwork]

Great review of both the Ram Rebel and Power Wagon. That looked like a great time of off roading. Thanks for sharing.

[@Red.Hot.Chili.Beans63]

Regarding lack of diesel in PW, in addition to what Steve said, I read that there is not enough space for the winch and a diesel (long engine) in the engine bay and Ram's PW people were unwilling to delete the winch.

[@hemiaddiction]

The winch issue is due to the intercooler being there and to add to that I heard an engineer say the oil pan is in the way to allow the axle flex like it needs to.

[@donleamon8653]

torque addict - you’re one of the few that understands that fact. Unfortunately

[@hemiaddiction]

@@donleamon8653 I would love for a cummins to be in it but the truck wouldn't be what it is now and ram doesnt seem to be ok with half assing it, which is the way it should be

[@SgtRudySmith31bRet]

AEV prospector did it. Just change up the bumper a little.

[@donleamon8653]

@@SgtRudySmith31bRet - Watch this kzbin.info/www/bejne/jImmhJtnbMymptU at 3:00. It will kinda give you an idea of just how much room that IC takes up and how vulnerable it is with that AEV bumper. Plus you still have the oil pan to contend with if you want the same articulation from the factory that you get with the 6.4. Then you add in the weight, which with the obviously heavier Cummins itself, but everything else needed to support it from a bigger transmission, larger cooling stack, extra battery etc., your tacking on an additional 750+ lbs. So, moral to the story, if you want a Cummins, just buy a Cummins RAM and add ARB's and a Carli swaybar, and the AEV bumper with winch and call it a day.

[@joyroc885]

Wish I could afford a Power wagon. Always wanted one after watching Simon and Simon back in the day. lol

[@briantalbert3441]

Joyroc, I just purchased my first PW!! Black with the gray graphics like the one shown. I could not be happier!! Chase your dream. So worth it!!!!!!!!

[@jonb2139]

This looked incredibly fun to drive no matter rebel or power wagon! Great video my fellow Canadan! Love you and your dads relationship Steve!

[@farhenheit628of1200]

Ram gang! I just purchased a 2016 ram express. Not no rebel or power wagon....but I still love it. And I doubt I'll ever off road it lol. Great review!

[@saifrushdi1319]

Awesome review and I 100% agree with you, power wagon all the way!

[@derek6947]

My favorite TFL Canada video so far.

[@delvinchandler]

Your dad looks like Dennis Anderson, the legendary Gravedigger driver lol

[@Sebastian_Dinwiddie]

Yes! Thank you! It was bugging me.

[@derrick1125]

Love my power wagon. It might be a little big for some things but I wouldn't trade it for anything.

[@jlbush8249]

Derrick 112 Love mine too. So what if we have to reverse once or twice. Still think it would have made the turn if they new how to drive.

[@2822force]

Just bought this truck fully loaded with all the trimmings. Love this truck and i highly recommend it over the rebel. I owned a rebel before but the PW has it beat with all the options. The only thing i don't like is the fact the truck doesn't have the center console but the bench seat because of the transfer case set up. Hope one day Ram can design something to work around the transfer case set up. Otherwise the truck is amazing!!!! Awesome review!!!

[@coreykonkin5917]

Thats actually my favorite thing about the power wagon is that it only comes with the 6th seat, makes more sense plus its still a "Center Console". That and its only available in a 6.5' box

[@rawill1958]

Stephen is just amazing in all his videos.

[@crsantin]

Great video Stephen. Beautiful trails. I like the Rebel a lot. Plenty off road capable for me. Power wagon is just too big.

[@SuperGman1213]

Camera quality is looking really good.

[@bquade70]

Should a done the Rebel review with the bilsteins like most buy... Still very excellent video, love both the Rams. Thx👍👍.

[@sunnyvalejedi]

Too many issues with the airbags.

[@JasonWh]

The Tremor has no front locker, no disconnecting front swaybar, no factory winch, etc. I have the 2021 Power Wagon 75th anniversary and it's a BEAST of a truck. I do offroad it often and it's very impressive. The tremor, in comparison, is a joke. I put AEV rims 37 x 12.5 x 17s on the Power wagon (which fits without cutting) and the ride difference is stunning.

[@shawnriddle3018]

awesome video. Luv the views on that trail. When i drive my current power wagon and my old Ram 1500 off road i shift on the fly around tight corners. Coming in and out of 4 hi to reduce my turning radius and keeps my drive train from binding. as far as ride quality i recommend 15 20 psi smooth things out but i hav two air compressors on board with 37's

[@user-nc7vf3oy6p]

The problem is, he is comfortable saying a truck for 70k usd... as financing periods became longer the car companies kept increasing prices...

[@seanl764]

Well a base toyota tacoma is only $25k. No reason to complain... Trucks are still the same price as 10-20 years ago. It's just that there are fancy trim/package trucks for sale.

[@sunnyvalejedi]

@@seanl764 So true.

[@BC_Hunter]

Stephen, would love to see you do the whipsaw trail outside of Princeton with a bunch of different vehicles.

[@TAIMOOR82]

IM loving my 2019 Rebel got it 4 weeks ago in bright white colour. I dont have the panoramic sunroof or 8 or 12 inch screen which i dont miss anyways. Paid 46500 CAD. I guess sticker was 61200.

[@josephwhiskeybeale]

Power Wagon don’t care, eh.

[@anthonyj810]

Ram rebel is actually better offroad cause it's lighter

[@jlbush8249]

Anthony J Nope

[@anthonyj810]

@@jlbush8249 Power wagon will get stuck in mud/snow where the ram rebel wouldn't. It's just not a smart choice unless you don't mind getting stuck every 5 minutes you're on a trail with deep mud or snow.

[@DonZaloog88]

Anthony J they now offer the Rebel with a 3.0L Diesel. :)

[@peteranoia4570]

Power wagon started the first switchback about 3 feet too late, and didn't cut fully into it at first. Also, Ram's reason for keeping the diesel option out of the power wagon is sound. First, the whole truck would need to be redesigned just to accommodate the winch with the diesel cooling packages on the front end. The weight distribution is significantly worse in an empty truck for off-road wheeling with the diesel option. The high-travel front end would also need to be completely re-engineered and modified from road applications. It might not make a price-point the market can support or even make economic sense from an RD standpoint. I'm a 2500 diesel owner, and I've driven mine off-road plenty and compared it to a Power Wagon. There is a distinct difference in feel and handling, if not capability, before the rear breaks traction or the front bogs.

[@isferfun3909]

This is very nice mountain view and off-roading review. But if my money, I'd go with Rebel due to on road driving more often than dirt road. Thank you for making this video. You guys awesome! And your dad is funny guy. Excellent!

[@jameswhiteside1506]

I was born and raised GM but those are 2 sweet trucks.

[@adamharriger5193]

Awesome comparison video, demonstration of turning radius and wheel articulation were perfect in highlighting the differences of these trucks.This type of off roading is much more relevant to my use of trucks than rock crawling in the desert. Now if only I could decide between a Gladiator and a Rebel- love the Power Wagon but Ive owned a Ram 2500 and just got tired of the sheer size and turning radius, drive- through complications etc...

[@josiahhuddleson2702]

Bro! that was so informative and fun to watch! thank you! especially when paired with the first video doing the spec and side by side comparison. I personally am still torn which I might get based on my personal needs and situation but I am no doubt picking one of these Rams.

[@regsparkes6507]

Now I would have voted for the Rebel, I like a more 'dual purpose' truck; some highway, and some off-road running too.

[@reko3103]

I'm so glad Stephen joined TFL. No offence to the other channel, but his talents are much more suited here.

[@reko3103]

@guy proulx no... I haven't

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

Great off road truck review comparison, always nice to see them do the same things in the same conditions back to back. Since I have no major truck driving experience mostly have had cars and one crossover, I would end up having to go with the more nimble RAM Rebel, but I also like the Power Wagon. Nathan and Stephen agree that the Power Wagon don't care. One of your reasons about having more gear than needed is why I like the Colorado ZR2 vs a standard mid sizer like even the Colorado Z71 or the Ford Ranger FX4, packages, etc... I am single with no kids so the mid size truck segment is perfect for me. I could get use to a 1500 size truck, but an HD would take me longer to get use to driving, especially in any city traffic or on tight lane and a half country road.

[@ron02simpson]

Really well done review. Excellent discussion of details. Great camera work.

[@eddienunez3530]

Working on some stuff right now and hopefully I’ll be able to buy my self a new Rebel my self any time soon.

[@KBrissette]

I live 45 mins away from this and that is just a normal logging road. Most people traveling on these active FSR road cruise on these road at 30 to 50km/h till you have to slow down before the drainage ditches. They should have traveled to a real off road trail or a deactive FSR road, so many around (probably a couple just accessible on this road) and some are even maintained by off road clubs. TFL your review are awsome and I hope you brought some SxS or quads because BC has some amazing trails.

[@DM-tf6mk]

Definitely look forward to the Tremor/Power Wagon head to head reviews. As others stated I think in the end ford will sell more Tremors because of payload and towing capabilities. It really gives you the best of both.

[@sgbradley]

B. C. Rains from mid September till the 1st of March and boom it's summer again on the Coast. Cheers from Vancouver Island!

[@sunnyvalejedi]

Haha! Come to the Koots or Okanagan and you won't see rain past 500m!

[@jurgenfroedrich2986]

Power wagon all the way Great Truck . Thanks for the update and video.

[@Spinal2111]

Powerwagon with 4 wheel steering would be great for these tight turns.

[@supporterofsanity]

The Power Wagon has so little payload already it would literally only be 500 pounds if they added the Cummins. There’d have to change the suspension so much it wouldn’t be the same truck at all. And it would cost 10k more!

[@RobertStlouis-hx3wt]

great video .the reble was impressive

[@glocker3081]

I love my power wagon!!

[@shawnriddle3018]

You guys need to film me in my power wagon. i could have made that turn easily without backing up. Guy driving couldnt drive his way out of a wet paper sack. lol

[@isidrobattle9696]

After watching your video I'm mad I didn't pay the extra money to get the Rebel. I settled for the 2019 North Edition. It standard with a 1 inch lift and falkner all terrain tires. The truck is nice. I think Ram made this truck as a go between of the Bighorn and the Rebel.

[@kgositheophilusbakwena3632]

4:32 awww daddy's boy🥺🥺

[@mkeeeemike123]

Great video. Just funny how every car show guys speaks the same exact way. Hilarious!

[@TheV8Hooligan]

Awesome. This is in my neck of the woods. This is what I see during my trail rides.

[@jordanyang3066]

this is the only legit off road review channel

[@Bosha92]

Love your videos! Keep up the great content!

[@JonBecker81]

Bears don’t care about a few trucks going 5mph up a remote trail. I’ve been on trails like this and have seen bears on the side of the road just chilling watching us go by. I was on a motorcycle one time with my wife on the back. She wanted me to stop and get a picture while the bear was 10ft away. I said f#ck that!!

[@bobbymulwee7641]

I want to move to Canada with that much snow

[@DownHillgamer]

Since the Cummins is way to heavy for the power wagon I think they should have a trim that comes with a supercharged for an extra 100-150 horses, that’d be niiice

[@mitchmorin9340]

My Grandfather has a 1996 dodge 2500 with over 470km and still going but if we had a camera back then it would show how he pulled out a fully loaded dump truck with a broken axle most the trails TFL shows is a road traveled on alot but my Grandpa went on the road that was just made if they gave the 12v Cummins diesel to the power wagon I would consider buying it but with the new 6.7 hemi it doesnt compare to the old 12v Cummins

[@rockycadieux4642]

The payload numbers are shocking. Wow!

[@Fixin-To]

Power Wagon is awesome for off road. I got the Rebel as I am on road 98% of the time and I want to garage it in the Winter.

[@sunnyvalejedi]

Rebel is totally capable off road and in winter.

[@intox69]

Love the power wagon but I think I'll just build an old truck. Stuff is too expensive.

[@paladin11C40]

Great review, I am holding out for the diesel Rebel.

[@huntertomlin3909]

Power Wagon: I'm a real truck! AEV Prospector: (laughs in diesel)

[@SgtRudySmith31bRet]

That's the only reason I didnt get a power wagon no Cummins

[@MultiPurposeReviewer]

I believe another reason Ram doesn't put the diesel in the Power Wagon is that the increased space that the diesel takes up would encroach on the area currently occupied by the winch, which isn't something they want to get rid of.

[@smithjones1906]

I have one critique, and I cannot overstate how serious it is. Why, WHY weren't you wearing one of the Power Wagon don't care hoodies??

[@CleaningMyGun]

Fantastic video of the Canadian wilderness

[@mrmike1183]

Does ram plan on making a Dakota to compete in the midsize truck segment?

[@Crashryding]

Mr Mike probably not... they can see that the Ranger, Tacoma, Colorado, (rest of the World 🌍 Toyota HiLux or LandCruiser 70 series, MERCEDES Professional G-Wagon, Nissan Navara etc etc. Well that’s what I believe anyway. It would only be sold in North America. Like I said, my 2cents

[@MrPAULONEAL]

2021

[@UntitledSpaghetti2]

2020 Rebel gets the updated Ecodiesel. Tow rating goes to 12,560 lbs. I'd get an Ecodiesel Rebel if it had 3:1 low range with front & rear diff locks. My biggest complaint is the crew cab Rebel only gets the 5'7" bed and can't option the 6'4" bed.

[@kingpin3919]

Great video, thanks!

[@saultybear1204]

Bro this helped so much now I know to go for the power wagon

[@carlosochoa1946]

Regards Friends I own a Ram POWER WAGON 2017 model and I Say there IS NOTHING BETTER ... But I know rebel si a newest machine here in this vídeo . Next year I 'm plqnning chance for a newer model . I Will consider Rebel TRX . I would like Rebel TRX in a 250O confugaration next year . Thanks You GUYS . Nice video . Good work.

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

If you have wheeled the 2 vehicles on serious trails, the Powerwagon is way, way better.

[@00ninja00]

I’m sure it is as it’s suspension is designed for off roading, that’s why it can’t tow as much as the rebel. But I’m sure if you went aftermarket off road suspension for the rebel, which will make its tow rating lower a significant amount, it will do great off road. But due to the ifs, it’s better for fast off roading like sand dunes, trails etc, but the live axle on the power wagon is better for rock crawling (even though it’s size isn’t the best for rock crawling.) Im guessing that’s what the TRX is going to be, a rebel with off road tuned suspensions and some nice wide body styling (pre-runner style). So it’ll be great as a trail and sand rig, but not the best for rocks, which makes sense because that’s what the power wagon is for (full size rock crawler-ish.)

[@sunnyvalejedi]

I doubt there are many guys who are going to push trucks closing in on $80k that hard.

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

@@sunnyvalejedi you obviously do not live in CO. 80k rugs are all over the place out here on some pretty extreme trails. That's why I bought a Can Am, keep my big, expensive rigs off of the trails.

[@DownHillgamer]

Ugh I love power wagons, wish we could get a Cummins but they are so heavy

[@rvboyett]

Love the PowerWagon man. Just too big for my type of off roading. Probably too big for my garage as well.

[@jlbush8249]

Rick Boyett Mine fits in my garage, with 1.5 inches to spare, with standard 7 foot single doors.

[@ryany6288]

Which one started rusting over the rear fenders first?

[@jimmy67001]

Kain you add the dislocating sway bar to the rebel and add locker on the front instead of just the rear wheels and add fox shucks and a 360 camera to it

[@toddbrown2574]

My OCD wants to straighten out his hat.

[@sunnyvalejedi]

That's how the kids wear them these days.

[@TCinSoCal]

Great video! Thank you! How reliable is the air suspension on the Rebel? I have always been leery of air suspension.. but I am not an expert. Would love to hear your feedback. I am driving a Ram 1500 now as a rental thanks to someone doing an illegal u-turn in front of me in my GX 460 and it has me considering Ram.. when I never had before. I was set on Ford for a truck.. but really like this Ram.

[@philip600rr]

If they put the Cummins in the Power Wagon the payload would be less than 500 lbs.

[@UltraSS-nj8kd]

Nice review & your mostly right about it being not much a price difference sadly but if youre not using it the mpg would kill most in the long run. As far as the diesel option that would be a bad idea -it would spike the price for starters -it would be worse offroad -the towing would be no where near its potential to be worth the upgrade essentially making it a ultimate poser truck.

[@MSchumacherfan]

I have a 2020 Ram Laramie, crew cad, 5’7” bed…I was thinking of adding the 2” Mopar lift and 34” tires for over landing … what are your opinions?

[@williamcorrales1878]

Ram Rebel with another suspension 👌🏻

[@Saint-14]

I think the Rebel is 3" wider than the Power Wagon. Although the PW is 1/2 foot longer with a longer wheelbase, the width is going to be more prohibitive to west coast trails. And it has a suspension lift, not a body lift.

[@williemaykit7940]

I have a question TFL guy. Can you tell me what brand those camera mounts are on the fenders? Great video! Some really beautiful country there!

[@christianfayb4]

Great video. Still cant decide between the 2 trucks. Guess ill annoy some salesmen with many test drives. The TRX is badass but only a limited run

[@GrizzlyDude]

3:31 the rebel comes with standard steel suspension. WHAT? I didn't know they come in other materials like plastic or cardboard.

[@koston777]

Powerwagan need to come with stock 35s. 33s looks way too small on that big truck.

[@tylerelser2405]

Yes, the Rebel has high payload and towing numbers over the PW, but I would like to see an actual comparison between the two trucks loaded to the payload capacity. Drive both around town, up the Gauntlet, and do a big climbing, off road coarse. Tell me which truck handles the load better. I have a feeling that the Rebel is at it's absolute limit, while the PW will hardly notice the load.

[@libertystuffnthingsreviews829]

Good video. I like almost every video you make. Suggestion if I may? Do a good, long duration time, review off-road in a JL Rubicon 2 door 6spd. Everyone does the JLU automatics. I (borrow from the bank) a '18 JK Recon 6spd and it is unstoppable on trails. Keep up the good work!

[@2822force]

I would get the power wagon once they put a Cummins in it and why because a 6.4 liter hemi is bad on gas but its a sweet truck though. Great video review.

[@Italianborn]

Lol i went off roading with my pentastar here in Alberta, not once i had to put the 4low in

[@mtgreengarden]

I just rented a new Rebel that had 5,000 miles on it. I drove it for 2 days and 900 miles, mostly highway miles. It averaged 16 mpg. When I rent, I get whatever Enterprise ends up giving me from their lot, but I get a lot of trucks. The Rebel drove nice and soft and it is effortless to drive. The F150s I have rented in the past have a stiff and bouncy ride that is quite tiring when I have to drive 500 miles per day. But, the F150s all get at least 18 mpg. The F150s in the rental fleet have had running boards, which makes ingress and egress easier for me (at 64 years old) and the Rebel didn't have running boards, so ingress and egress was a pain for me.

[@rigging1377]

What Enterprise has a rebel?

[@mtgreengarden]

@@rigging1377 Yep, they sure did! A dark, bluish-black one with red trim.

[@rigging1377]

@@mtgreengarden where so I can rent one.

[@PatrickRich]

The winch is the reason for gas only on the pw. It goes where the intercooler would go

[@tmason0717]

Which display screens were included in this video??..hoping for the 12"

[@shiftintohigh5564]

Great review👍👍🇺🇸😎

[@Blue-fm7es]

If the Power Wagon had unlocked the front diff on the first “obstacle” it would have made it.... So if the testers knew how to run off road, it would’ve been a great test...

[@ecentballer1]

Wow.....the prices on these trucks is beyond crazy.

[@ironmnsar]

If i don't go offnroad much but need to tow a 10000lb boat and trailer, would you recommend the powerwagon or Rebel?