What The Heck Is Going On At Toyota?

[@ChiTownTx]

Massive price increase yet tons of cost cutting going on. No real bump stops, plastic skid plates, overheating trans due to no trans cooler. Don't get me wrong, it's a pretty truck, and not saying Toyota can't turn it around. But by Toyota standards, in it's current form; it's a shitbox.

[@HiPlains1]

@@NewCastleIndiana Frontiers are pretty beefy with proper frame mounted bump stops and a trans intercooler mounted up front with the RAD. The Daimler Benz 9 speed is a proven transmission and I've not heard of issues on the forums since they started using it in 2020. The 9G-Tronic transmission has been out since 2013. As for Nissans motors the 3.8 DI is a great motor. Not surprising as its based on VQ technology. Also the box frame is uniform thickness whereas Toyota thins out parts of the frame in sections. I can't imagine why considering their issues with rust. In short, the Frontier is still the heavy ass tank its always been. Its essentially the same old school truck its been since 2005. Comparing the plasticky tacoma using cheaper components I'd take a Frontier built in Canton Mississippi every day of the week and twice on Sundays. People just don't report the issues like you hear from the new tacomas. And its because Nissan decided to not over modernize it. The fact it still has hydraulic steering shows how Nissan keep a working design into the new generation.

[@aaronberg5708]

@NewCastleIndiana lol, buddy you have no idea. Nissan is killing it with the frontier. Don't talk smack when it's not valid

[@HiPlains1]

@@aaronberg5708 Its a good truck but I'd wouldn't say Nissan is exactly killing it. Frontiers are piling up on dealer lots. Mine has 58 trucks. I've never seen that many. So sales have slowed a bit since the beginning of the year. But I don't blame Nissan as much as buyers are drying up. New cars/truck and house sales are pretty flat. Personal debt is very high and many just can't make car purchases . Frontier is a better value but its still pricey. As a whole Nissan didn't make hardly any money last year. They had to rely on heavy advertising and discounting. They are coming out with new models so we will see. I've still think they offer allot of stuff for good prices but most just want a yota or honda hybrid. That seems to be the hotcake with people buying around the 33-40K range for small Suvs. Nissan just put a real ZF 9 speed into the murano so that's a start. They really need to offer hybrid rogue etc.. They still investing allot in EV but that's just a waste of money IMO.

[@truckerrickakamanowar]

@@HiPlains1 I agree.

[@Georgewashington-o7m]

umm there is NOTHING wrong with this truck troll

[@Josh-179]

Toyota, and even more true with trucks, sell almost entirely on the idea of being the reliable choice. If they lose that, it's over.

[@Matt123a]

Ford owners put up with it.

[@panzer_TZ]

Most of their vehicles are average and/or nothing special in most aspects. (I've owned two Toyotas, I'm not trying to be a hater) Without that reliability, you might as well get a vehicle that does other aspects better. It makes it even harder when the Toyota Tax has gone out of control since the pandemic.

[@tylerproctor4878]

Totally see both of your points but Ford is much more innovative as it pertains to trucks. Atm I am not confident in the reliability of any midsize trucks. Maybe nissan Is ok right now. But to my point the ranger is the most refined atm. It's the coolest midsize truck on the block

[@Josh-179]

@@Matt123a , that's the point, most people prefer to buy American trucks as they are typically better in other aspects and people like to be loyal to American brands when it comes to trucks. The reason you buy a Tundra is perceived reliability and longevity. Without that, outside of being a Toyota loyalist you're not going to buy one.

[@thewolf9851]

They sell with the goal of fulfilling the americans' desires to drive big useless cars in order to seem like they're skillful and important so that they could make up for their lack of intelligence and their big egos

[@jonwalsh1505]

Toyota’s problem started a few years back when control of the company was removed from family into the hands of corporate executives who are simply interested in making their bonuses. “Build it right and build it to last” is no longer in their lexicon. Common concern across the industry.

[@seumasmackinlay]

It's like what I read from someone else recently: Car companies are no longer in the business of making cars --they are in the business of raking in profits --cars are just the marketing

[@user-tb7rn1il3q]

@@seumasmackinlayYou are right and wrong at the same time. Cars are built to be extremely reliable with obsolescence built in. No one wants a car without Bluetooth or Power Windows for instance. This is why they keep adding more features so people upgrade their old/reliable model for a new model that has more features and even better reliability. No one is going to purchase a car from the same manufacturer if they have out of pocket expenses besides tire, oil changes, filters, and maybe brakes.

[@HiPlains1]

That entire TNGA platform is garbage compared to stuff they used to make like the V8 tundra, GX 460, or the 4 runner that they just shut production on. Yep even that will be garbage as it will be based of the new taco. I have no interest in anything yota. If you want a reliable small SUV go with a subaru or Mazda.

[@user-tb7rn1il3q]

@@HiPlains1 The new TNGA platform is superior to the old stuff (stronger, stiffer, more rust resistant, but smaller frame). They just have a few kinks to work out. The V8s weren’t without issues (head gaskets, cam tower leaks, air injection issues in earlier models, oil pump failure, etc.). Toyota issues are still orders of magnitude less than the domestic competitors and less than half of the best Japanese competitors.

[@gregducati999]

@@user-tb7rn1il3q these modern cars do most defanitly not have more reliability

[@The-Jokes-on-You]

I personally want less tech in my vehicles

[@bowhunter4893]

Agree100%. Brake controller and a back up camera is all thats needed.

[@tacomafan5186]

Exactly

[@outlawedmedia4336]

Not me, I love the tech, I just want it more reliable.

[@Sullivan09300]

@@bowhunter4893 then go buy a truck from 2005, were not all boomers.

[@pinkiewerewolf]

100% agree. Less tech.

[@jgg204]

So let me get this straight. Toyota raised the Tacoma price 14%-20%, moved production to Mexico and thus quality nose dived, and they threw in twin turbo 4 cylinder engines including into their flagship Land Cruiser. Sounds like we have entered a really really bad time to buy a Toyota

[@jakeyoung661]

Yep. I've always had toyotas, traded a 3rd gen tacoma for the new tundra when it came out in 22. It was poor quality. Luckily I got out of it before the engine blew and now drive my first gmc sierra. These new Toyota trucks are overpriced shitboxes.

[@jgg204]

@@jakeyoung661 my buddy also got a new GMC Sierra. he said with the cash incentives, financing incentives, and the dealer discounts, they were practically giving these things away. he said it's the best truck he has ever driven in his entire life.

[@LuisUrbieta]

@@jakeyoung661 what type of car is completely immune from problems? I feel like we might have to ditch our cars and start using bicycles because if cars are not being reliable then we might have to use bicycles!

[@SebastianSerrano-d1n]

Toyota sa k s!! 6 billions back in 2010 for faulty computers!!! It's been crap

[@Clockwork0nions]

Depending on the trim, prices are up 50%.

[@finerbiner]

I'll bet that a large majority wishes for less tech, not more.

[@Jay-me7gw]

Doubt. I dont know many people that want less.

[@8__D]

@@Jay-me7gw I want this

[@gabrielpaulsmom]

I want way less crap on my car

[@aerynlovell4754]

​@Jay-me7gw There was a video by Top Gear called "Boss Chat 2.0" with Koenigsegg, Rimac, and Hennessey. John Hennessey mentioned a new car trend that is the opposite of a Resto-Mod that he called Retro-Mod. People who take a new vehicle and modify it to look and function more like an older vehicle.

[@Doomzdayxx]

@@Jay-me7gw This. Consumers drive most of the changes to modern vehicles. We have all this over engineered garbage and uselessness be cause of idiotic people. Government policies sure don't help matters.

[@chuckwalla2967]

Days of simple, inexpensive, reliable Toyotas are over.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

*in the U.S. look up the Champ truck sold in other markets

[@sanangelo7926]

Toyota was never really inexpensive. In the past they were priced a little higher but had lots more reliability.

[@brahsumatra]

As. Toyota service advisor, warranty administrator I can confirm Toyota’s WTH moments on quality control and reliability are piling up.

[@corygreen8226]

They test drove a brand new Tacoma offroad on a small icy spot and it broke!!! Toyota said it was driver error basically, but engineers are working on a fix!! 😂😂😂

[@sm65-wj2bc]

Didn't look like driver error to me

[@shauncollins2017]

I haul cars for a living. Almost every used 2023-2024 Tundra I've hauled have 2 issues. 1) Volume knob on the radio is loose and usually pops off. 2) Drivers seat side panel is cracked into oblivion. No matter the mileage. I moved a 2024 with 775 miles with both of these issues.

[@gravityfab]

Are you saying you hauled them because of those reasons?

[@shauncollins2017]

@gravityfab No. They were bought at auction. This is just what I've noticed is wrong with each of them.

[@gravityfab]

@@shauncollins2017 oh got it

[@tomjohnson8737]

Lol that's it.

[@Naturallytalented]

People are growing heavier 😂

[@dirtdog726]

Every truck should come with front tow hooks. What a shame.

[@montefiveforty1]

Easier for the flatbed guys to hook up to.

[@howdydonny]

100%, I'd go further and say every vehicle should (just hidden under the vehicle).

[@aerynlovell4754]

​​@@dirtdog726 The "factory tow hooks" are designed for light duty. They are for strapping a vehicle down during transport. If you get stuck in snow and need a gentle tug to get unstuck then factory tow hook would work. But if you get stuck in sand or deep mud and need a snatch recovery then the factory tow hooks could break and fly through the air at high speed. You need "rated recovery points" that are heavy steel brackets that bolt to the frame with bolts that won't sheer off easily.

[@DaBrute]

Its just crazy to me. I've never owned a truck or SUV that didn't have recovery hooks in front

[@tommyh.8391]

Toyota especially, should have tow hooks on their trucks.

[@ZZZZ-mkv]

Nissan Frontier is now the king of mid-size trucks. Simple, reliable and not GM garbage.

[@lrich8181]

I think i'll keep my 2003 Frontier crew cab. It still runs just fine .Made in the USA!

[@MrNiceGuy500]

@@ZZZZ-mkv Nissan is on the up and up

[@maximilianozamorategui2608]

I was planning to get a Tacoma but to expensive so I got the Nissan Frontier PRO-4X fully loaded 6 cylinder NON TURBO $50.000 Canadian = $37.000 US and I am very happy with it. Pace ✌

[@WilliamNguyen-g8g]

Ford ranger is good too

[@thomas735]

@@WilliamNguyen-g8gnah ford turbo

[@BryceLovesTech]

$60k Tacomas, $90k Tundras ridiculous

[@SJDJFJFSKSXNDJWJQI]

Ya for a loaded top trim.

[@Ichibuns]

@@SJDJFJFSKSXNDJWJQI A Taco starting at over $36k with 4 wheel drive is still really high. I haven't found one for under $37k on a base model. I don't understand people complaining about the price of the highest trims but prices are still crap.

[@wallace3953]

Taco is only worth 35k, max.

[@dvan7117]

Not to mention $90K Fords, Chevys and Rams.

[@ajherman]

@@SJDJFJFSKSXNDJWJQI you can spend over $50k and still have a Taco with cloth seats. You can't physically option a fully loaded Frontier to over $50k

[@jamesp6283]

My friend is an engineer at Toyota he said the engine debris is a lie and it’s because they didn’t design the tolerances tight enough. Also he said when they forced akio Toyoda (grandson of the founder) reliability went out the door because akio implemented kaizen (philosophy of continuous improvement on what you have) the new ceo and board want to try all new things to maximize profit and the shit show what Toyota is now is the result

[@Argedis]

Yup it was a design failure and they don't want to admit it. The fact that the part number for the short block changed is not a coincidence.

[@macbookpro57]

Sounds like the Boeing story all over again lol

[@Jay-me7gw]

Problem is the Koolaid drinkers are still going to buy Toyota's. Tundra sales are still doing pretty good and so far no one has knocked the Tacoma from #1 in the mid-sized segment. So those profit hungry executives are not going to realize any negatives.

[@attackb5349]

It takes a long time to turn that ship. Toyota’s reliability reputation is still firmly in place in many consumers minds. These truck issues will not help, but years of issues will need to happen before a large consumer confidence turn will happen. Most of them still harken back to the sub par Ford/GM/Chrysler quality from 20-30 years ago that is still driving their decision to go Toyota today.

[@timalan7406]

@@Jay-me7gw Could say the same thing about any car/truck manufacture and their fanboys.

[@mrcnorth7149]

All newer Toyota trucks are: 1) Too expensive, 2) Filled with too much crap, people did not ask for, adding more $$$, 3) Toyota's Legendary QDR is nowhere to be found, the new trucks are garbage, recalls, broken hardware, broken promises. I have no idea what my next Truck purchase will be, but I am pretty sure it will not be Toyota. Does anyone know who and why Toyota's QDR was executed???

[@oldrango883]

CORPORATE SHAREHOLDERS PROFITS!

[@williampisano7573]

I hate car reviews guy because they will say the ford maverick is cheap and has plastic etc but ford will be forced to add crap 💩 to it like leather steering wheels. But I don’t care 🤷 keep it cheap plastic what ever just keep it affordable

[@westcoastplinkin6559]

People complained Toyota trucks were underpowered, now that they get more power (Tundra TTV6 is much more powerful than the 5.7L V8), and now people still complain lol. Can never keep people happy. Toyota should really stop listening to people who don't even buy Toyotas.

[@stevenlefebvre2991]

@@westcoastplinkin6559 the V8 had more than enough power. I know I have two of them.

[@westcoastplinkin6559]

​@@stevenlefebvre2991 I agree. I have a 2008 Tundra and I never found it insufficient.But people did complain about the 5.7L V8 being underpowered and outdated. The TTV6 is more powerful than the V8 in every way possible. Lesson is, be careful what you wish for.

[@SteelHoarse]

It was the ADD that blew on your truck. And a Toyota’s fix was to de tune the truck, not upgrade the part….. also, these new Tacoma and parts 4runners dont have axle bump stops! Which cause the shocks to blow through the mount….. the subscription things is absolutely ridiculous considering the price we pay for these trucks. Should already be included.

[@davidjernigan8161]

The lame excuse of machining debris in the engines and transmissions is the worst excuse ever. The failures would not be almost identical between individual vehicles.

[@shitloveaduck]

Not really, it depends on where the debris settles.

[@Reu_ag]

It is really incredible that people like you don't believe machine debris in an engine will cause engine failure, it's not rocket science dude.

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

@@Reu_agnot the same part or place every time. Don’t be dense.

[@is6566]

@John… Also, I think that machine debris left in the engine would cause a problem right away not 10,000 or more miles later. Don’t tell me that a machine debris ping ponging around there for hundred, or two hundred driving hours at thousands of Rotations Per Minute is a believable cause for failure. Of course machine debris will cause engine failure but it would do it on the dealer lot or pretty soon after.

[@zelenizub2036]

Had nothing to do with debris, it's most likely bad design

[@nevv8581]

Here’s a head scratcher. Canadian here. We were in the market for a RAV-4 hybrid. Sure we could test drive it, but were told we had to wait between 6 - 18 months for delivery?!!! Didn’t bother even testing it. Being a Lexus owner we test drove the Lexus NX series hybrid, same thing…overpriced and looooong wait times. Test drove the new Honda CRV Hybrid and bought it. It’s not a compromise, but much better than the RAV4 or Lexus. They lost us as a customer for many many yrs. I think Toyota are in trouble.

[@DavidHuffTexas]

We're in Texas, but same. Bought a new CR-V Hybrid for thousands less than the RAV4 hybrid, and it was avail immediately vs. months & months out.

[@bengonzalez5673]

you showed them!!!

[@JohnRayAllDay]

From one Canadian to another … you made an excellent choice

[@justtl5885]

DITTO!

[@nevv8581]

@@bengonzalez5673 I did indeed.

[@jvogel431]

I recent bought a full sized truck. I have a 2019 Tacoma and I love it. So, I looked closely at the Tundra. I bought an F150. It was less expensive and had the same level of options and features. And, it is the best selling vehicle in the US. I figured there must be a good reason that so many people love Fords. I do. The F150 is awesome.

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

That’s because every time the ford breaks, you have to buy a new one.

[@captain_storms5998]

@@JohnDoe-nz6bkbest comment 😂

[@whammerjammer1562]

The only reason Ford can claim "best selling" is because the government buys tons of em

[@layne4376]

@@JohnDoe-nz6bk Apparently Toyota is following that model now.

[@neanders2]

I was a GM guy growing up but have owned Ram’s too. Tried a Ford and honestly, it’s the most sorted truck I’ve had. I’ve had a few F150’s now and they just feel right. Not perfect but just “right”.

[@outlawedmedia4336]

Blowing that front dif was shocking. Stopped me from buying a new tacoma.

[@bradenchurch552]

So shocking man. Breaks my heart.

[@honda116969]

Save money on the front end, u lose it on the back end! Toyota lost me as a customer!!

[@mattmcfly2165]

Literally!

[@Doc1855]

I’m super happy that I bought my 23 TRD Off Road

[@jermainec2462]

Oh calm down...

[@Doc1855]

@@jermainec2462 The people whose transmissions have failed with the 24 Tacoma’s are having to wait up to 6 months for a replacement. I don’t blame them for NOT being calm.

[@jamesm568]

Oh I know as I took my 2022 Toyota Tacoma and traded it in on a 2025 Nissan Frontier. I find it amazing that I can sell a truck that is 3 years old more than I paid for it.

[@awboat]

Hidden in the menu should never be a thing when in a vehicle. NEVER.

[@jameskoskinen6763]

Yes, Toyota quality is much lower than in recent years. Engines, transmissions, differentials, frames and shocks breaking prematurely on their truck lineup. One look at the Tacoma TRD Pro seats is enough to tell you that Toyotas lost is way. TFL truck is doing us truck owners a huge favor by shedding light on some of this

[@wallace3953]

Attention....all Moans......DO NOT BUY a TOYOTA until they bring back the OLD MODELS...

[@bigsmoke279]

My dad paid $50k for his 2018 tundra 1794 edition lol $60k for a Tacoma is insane

[@rbetan1160]

@@bigsmoke279 wow. This puts in perspective, what an awesome truck at that price. Only a few years later and that’s the price of a Tacoma that’s not even the top of the line. Idk how they are able to sell any of these trucks.

[@bigsmoke279]

⁠@@rbetan1160better question is who can afford these trucks lol. My dad’s monthly payment was about $680 at 0.1% APR when he bought it new back in 2018. People are no doubt paying $1200+ for a truck these days

[@mikefoehr235]

I got my 20 TRD off-road for $51 000 CAD

[@mserica6487]

If you don't like what companies are doing, stop buying their products.

[@jamesp6283]

Most people are doing that hence why Tacomas and tundras aren’t selling to save their lives

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@jamesp6283 They are still selling. Tundra is on track to hit almost 160k sales this year, which is almost as many as they have ever sold. Tacoma is down, but still #1 in mid-sized trucks.

[@rustynail7866]

@@jamesp6283 All manufacturer sales are down. Probably because of that extra zero they put in the price.

[@waterloo123100]

@@jamesp6283I still see many great cars going to the junk yard because people didn’t want to put money into something because it’s 30 years old smh that old car is gonna be twice as reliable as their new car

[@tuan056585]

Yes I did. I was intended to buy a 2025 Crown Insignia but ended up bought a Subaru Outback touring and couldn't be happier. I don't trust Toyota quality any more. My current 2017 Highlander platinum will be the last Toyota in family.

[@davidjernigan8161]

Toyota is even having issues with manual transmissions. It seems the engineering department has failed miserably

[@jamesfrancis9520]

Wasn't the manual transmission issue in the tacoma due to damaged parts during assembly? That was in the first manual trucks off the assembly line. Or am I misunderstanding and it's still a problem? I was going to order a 6mt taco in the next few months.

[@pryme2013]

Truck king did a basic downshift and broke their Tacoma tester. Total garbage

[@FirstnameLastname-ni9uh]

Isn't that the same manual they used from the 2nd gen tacoma that also carried out to the 3rd gens ?

[@tim3172]

Isn't buying a slower, thirstier, and more-polluting transmission a miserable failure before you even pick it up from the dealer? Here's to hoping they drop that as an option entirely... like all of the manufacturers with a net-positive IQ score.

[@KamalaTheClown]

Was about to purchase one of these but with the INSNAE prices, engine issues and overall questionable fit and finish, I’ve decided to stick with my 2019 Tundra TRD pro

[@layne4376]

Geez. This explains why Toyota / Lexus generally uses decade old technology - proven, boring, and inefficient. Yet reliable. Any time they venture out of that model, this is what you tend to see.

[@davidmckibbin4440]

old school all day

[@CyFi6]

EPA and government regulations are not allowing this model to persist anymore. We are slowly being pushed out of vehicle ownership.

[@Argedis]

@@CyFi6 Wrong, CAFE MPG requirements are only based on Wheelbase and manufacturers aren't forced to use Turbo engines. Toyota could have kept the v6 and simply added Direct Injection to the Tacoma 4cyl and Tundra v8 to increase power and efficiency. The Frontier still has a N/A v6 and both GM and Ford have N/A v8 for their full sized trucks.

[@arsyadidris6349]

I can safely say that even the older 80s n 90s american trucks followed this philosophy of KISS (keep it simple, stupid). And toyota generally continued with KISS and on top of their kaizen well into the late2000s in the US. Heck, malaysian here, and they sold turbodiesel hilux with 4speed auto and a 4WD selector with an actual mechanical gearstick right up to the mid2010s. But then toyota fell for that “modernity” BS… n made everything complicated and unncessary.

[@jefferyG499]

Coming from a new Audi background, the prices on the "upgrade packages" for the Taco are hilarious. NINE THOUSAND dollars for fake leather, heated seats, audio upgrade, sunroof, power tailgate, and some driver assistance features on an already-40k midsize truck is ridiculous. This is upgrade pricing that people used to mock on Euro luxo-barges as being outlandish.

[@drecksaukerl]

0:10 Is Toyota quality on trucks going way down?. Doing even a bit of research would lead to the question "Is the pope Catholic?"

[@edwardweeks1539]

Toyota is not exempt to cutting corners in the name of profit on behalf of shareholders. It was going to happen eventually.

[@mattmcfly2165]

Japanese biz culture bowing to MBAs had to happen eventually.

[@MarkHoover-dv7mf]

Most of their problems are in the American market only.

[@garyjarvis2730]

It's not just the vehicles are a disaster - their dealer base is just horrendous. They think taking advantage of their customers is just standard operating procedure. Less tech and more quality. Subscriptions on a car is just a money grab.

[@Jay-me7gw]

Toyota dealers are easily the worst I've encountered too. The attitude really turned me off. I've had better experiences at crap little used car lots.

[@paulsharp8802]

Don't forget about the front strut top hat plate that is braking when people are driving a little faster off road.

[@AndrewWisniewski-o6f]

Nissan frontier not a bad truck

[@MrApplesaucestuff]

except when you crash

[@pathunter7003]

It’s not that good either

[@rmontz3027]

Go drive a 2024 Tacoma TRD off road and then go drive a frontier pro4x. The pro4x is as nice if not a little better built than the Tacoma. The frontier is about 10k cheaper too

[@oldrango883]

Not a good truck either 😂

[@Ben-q9c7p]

Fanboys in here never owned or drivin a new frontier. Butthurt their beloved taco is being shit on again

[@lannylancaster62]

I've been a Tacoma owner since 1994. I like my trucks in a plain wrapper and reliable. Toyota has become the sleeping giant and the rest of the manufacturers are getting the best of them. If I were buying today, I'd be hard pressed to choose a Toyota. The pricing, value and reliability seem to be going in the wrong direction.

[@pathunter7003]

Sleeping giant?🙄 More like a puppy taking a nap😝

[@mmr0221]

@@lannylancaster62 get a Nissan Frontier

[@Jb-ei9fp]

The stout concept looks like a Santa Cruz lifestyle vehicle. We need a simple no frills small work truck.

[@lrich8181]

Bring back the HI-Lux.

[@wayne1916]

@@lrich8181Go to Mexico and buy one there...just can't register it in the US!

[@terryhutchinson9094]

The stupid front seats in the Tacoma TRD PRO eliminate the use of the back seats. They shouldn't even bother with rear seats and put in interesting overland storage there.

[@buschfan0818]

@@terryhutchinson9094 the "overlanding storage" idea would make more sense with the Trailhunter, as that is the overlanding focused trim. TRD Pro is just standard offroading focused.

[@terryhutchinson9094]

@@buschfan0818 I understand. But those goofy Pro seats render the rear seat cushion and back completely useless. They need to do something interesting with the space.

[@alvilla701]

@terryhutchinson9094 agree, but I believe those seats are optional. but for sure, those seats are a POS

[@terryhutchinson9094]

@@alvilla701 What I understand, those seats are standard with the TRD Pro. I can certainly be wrong.

[@nlken7175]

Toyota had started to pennie pinch. Here in Canada I bought a 2021 Tundra limited for 56K. Same Tundra now is 74K and nothing but plastic. Toyota lost me as a loyal Owner and I Bought a Silverado.

[@taalen90]

So you sold a very reliable 2021 Tundra for a Silverado?

[@pathunter7003]

@@taalen90 I agree, a wise choice

[@Kahless00]

The old v8 tundra wasnt bulletproof. It got recalled early too because the cams would snap in the engine.

[@scott8238]

yes but the TOyota fans boys don't want to hear about that or a lot of other issues.

[@westcoastplinkin6559]

@@scott8238 My 5.7L V8 Tundra has 300k on it. They really are reliable and Toyota should've kept it at least in their base level trim.

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@westcoastplinkin6559 Secondary air injection pumps, valley cover plates, cam tower leaks, valves snapping off, leaking radiators, and now apparently some issues with head gaskets make it seem like the 4.6/5.7L has the same BS issues as any other motor. The other good one is the A760 transmission failures behind the 4.6L. A lot of GX460 folks have had to do replacements.

[@westcoastplinkin6559]

@@Jay-me7gw Of course there will ALWAYS be issues with ANY vehicle. But these issues are presenting themselves when these trucks are 16+ years old. I still have my 5.7L V8 Tundra, my dad is borrowing it for work currently. It's been solid, but we would never trust a new gen Tundra over this one.

[@scott8238]

@@westcoastplinkin6559 these issues happen when they have low miles or when they are a year or two old.

[@billykranston]

I sold my 4runner pro because of issues like anemic engine power and cruise control etc, and I’ve owned two others for the last 20 years. Sadly, they are doing something terribly wrong at Toyota. I replaced it with a Ford.

[@jonlosito2004]

@@billykranston Ford isn't much better. They also have problems. Head gasket problems and pump problems and such.

[@jonlosito2004]

Ford isn't much better. They often have head gasket problems and pump problems and such.

[@billykranston]

@@jonlosito2004 Actually, my Ford is significantly better. Hopefully Toyota will get their act together and do a better job, but for now, I’m sticking with my Ford Explorer St.

[@Nick-Who]

0:28 --> Tundra Recall - Fuel Line and Engine Issues 1:44 --> New Tacoma TSB for Automatic Transmission / Torque Converter 2:42 --> New Tacoma Traction Logic and Front Differential Issue 4:43 --> Digital Services Subscriptions 7:34 --> Pricing (Tacoma Trailhunter and TRD Pro Hybrid versions) 9:55 --> Why Hybrid in Trucks? 13:11 --> Tundra TRD Pro Recovery Hooks 15:00 --> Where is the Compact Truck? 16:43 --> Tacoma / Tundra Towing Features 19:27 --> Tacoma Back Seat

[@TS-ic1ol]

I can’t get over the piano black trim on the TRD Pro Tacoma🤦🏻‍♂️

[@BrianPetersen-l2w]

Great work. I would add: lengthy delays in availability of vehicles from a dealer. Waiting for 6 to 12 months for your vehicle is ridiculous. I would also add that out here in the mid-west US dealers only stock dark exterior colors and dreary black interior colors.

[@nevv8581]

@@BrianPetersen-l2w same in Canada, lengthy delays. No inventory = no customer.

[@blackonblackseven]

God, I love my 1992 4Runner. I just drove over 500 miles up the eastern Sierras in California with no issues at all. Solid as a rock.

[@leswilson79]

I bought a 24 TRO offroad and was shocked it didn't have tow hooks i didn't even realize until i bought it

[@coltonphillips1]

I was horrified when I saw Toyota at the auto show. The interiors felt so cheap and filled with plastic. The only vehicle that felt solid was the Prius.

[@troystrauss3415]

This is why I love my 2024 Nissan Titan Pro-4X XD. No turbos, No fuel management crap, No Start/Stop... just good ole V-8 that Nissan has been tuning for 20 years.

[@pathunter7003]

And next yr they are dumping that engine..

[@troystrauss3415]

@@pathunter7003 Yeah, this was the last year they are making the Titan.... which is why I got $10K off and 0% for 60. Oh, and 100K/5 year bumper to bumper. :)

[@lrich8181]

Thank the US CAFE standards for active fuel mgt and start stop garbage.

[@andresl6094]

I agree with your guys' take on their subscriptions. People pay top dollar for these trucks and still have to pay for subscriptions is a shame. I find it unreal to pay for a subscription to be able to only lock/unlock doors and turn on the truck (Tundra) via phone. You can't even control the climate settings. Also, it's a bit annoying having to turn on the truck via remote/app then the truck shuts off when unlocking the door/s to get in. This feature sucks during the summer or winter to help keep the temperatures at a preferred level. I feel that power running boards/bed step should be an option for the TRD packages, in particular the 1794 Edition. There should be a button inside the cabin to be able to open/close the tailgate for their price points. Bench seat storage can be better designed (22+ Tundra). If you have children who uses car seats, the access to the bench storage is denied which is frustrating. Ford F150's probably have the best design. Why not come up with a multifunctional tailgate like the rest of the truck manufacturers. Honda Ridgeline probably has the most practical one and esthetically pleasing because you can't see divisions/lines although I would prefer Ram's system, but not everyone would like to see a split on their tailgate.

[@4everInMove]

What pisses me off is that after trial subscription ended, remote start option stopped working. That is low. It is my RAV4 2023. I have a mustang 2020 and remote start working perfectly and no words about the subscription. WTH if you paid for those features when you bought the car...

[@sm65-wj2bc]

That's just taking advantage of people. You paid for the option, it should be permanent. It's a truck, not a timeshare.

[@tim3172]

Is it through your phone or through a keyfob? If it's the former, then you can't expect them to support servers forever for free.

[@matthewhuszarik4173]

If Toyota knows its eight speed transmissions on the Tacoma are faulty why not replace them all instead of waiting to see if they get through the warranty period before they blow up?

[@triedandtrue1820]

Doing the right thing? 100k trucks sitting in parking lots at the dealer garages isn't good for business 😅

[@dude7838]

“Designed to break” and “Software update” do not bode well for myself….. or 99% of buyers. Well said gents.

[@tonymason2875]

In reference to the hybrid trucks not getting better gas mileage, I can attest to that. I, happily, just bought an Off-road hybrid with the expectation that I'd be getting good mpg's, for a truck that is. That's really the whole reason I waited to buy my first truck ever and my first Toyota for that matter. Well, the best I'm getting around town is 16mpg and that's in ECO mode. I pretty sure I could have bought a regular gas engine truck and realized about the same mpg. I'm already thinking about trading it in for something else just because I'm disappointed. I'm not going to yet, but the fact that after only 2 weeks of ownership I'm already thinking about it, isn't good. Now Roman and Adrea are talking about a potential recall for transmission issues. LOL. Oh Man. We'll see how it goes.

[@josephdunbar2105]

I’m at 3000 miles on a 1794 iforce max. I’m not beating on it, 75-85 on highways, some traffic jams around and probably 700 of those miles in the city. Getting 18.8. Haven’t reset the mpg data. My 2020 1794 got 15 mpg mixed. Both 4WD. I don’t tow and both have tonneau covers.

[@ProCoach2373]

I walked a Toyota lot yesterday and left thinking the quality went down the drain. The paint on many of the trucks looked like spray paint and plastic trim was not seated well or warped on brand new units. I've spent the last nearly 15 years in two Tundras, but I don't see that continuing based on what I see.

[@noseboop4354]

It's a sinking ship ever since Akio got ousted and replaced by a much greedier CEO and board members. Go find greener pastures.

[@homebuiltcamperdave5226]

I have a 23 Tacoma. It is my 7th Tacoma. Been driving and loving them since college. I replaced my 2016 at 200,000 even though it was in great shape to get a new gen3 because I wanted to give them time to work out the bugs from gen 4. This is the first Tacoma I’ve owned that was made in Mexico and I’m having to work through all kinds of issues. Disappointing. There is a neighbor that has a gen 4 Tacoma. He’s on his 3rd transmission. Truck doesn’t even have 20,000 miles on it yet. I’m not sure what’s going on. Seems like to me the new engine has all kinds of low end torque but somehow they didn’t build the rest of the drive train to handle this new torque. So their solution is to change the software to make sure the engine stays within the limits of the drivetrain? In the old days of Toyota the drivetrain would have been built to handle the torque of the engine. If my issues don’t start resolving my new one will be getting traded in for a Nissan. The frontier still had the v6 and they are now far more reliable than the Tacoma. Very disappointing. All my tacomas have been AMAZING. Hundreds of thousands of miles driven with very few problems. Even the frame issue was not as bad as the issues they are having now. Very disappointing. I’ve never considered driving anything else. But if this continues this will be my last Tacoma. They are too damn expensive now for this level of unreliability.

[@cle_roknn3742]

Can't say I'm surprised. I work in forestry, a lot of guys bought Toyotas over the years because of their perceived "reliability" and "resale value". Two Tacomas had catastrophic front wheel bearing failures after about 60,000 to 70,000 miles. The wheels basically fell off the trucks, not just once, twice over the years. Then there was the Tundra V8's which had some sensor buried in the back of the motor that went bad on three different trucks. Each time it was within the warranty period, but it requires the engine to get pulled out and they had to wait for parts, which in one case was over 10 days, not including the labor time. Lastly, their "resale value" is higher, but the dealers would never budge on the price, which means you basically financed that "value" and it actually cost more than that resale value was worth. Now, I'm not saying that every other truck has been perfect, GM V8's like to eat valve terrains. Nissan fit and finish is basically abysmal and their diesel HD one of the guys had was an absolute disaster. Had one F-150 blow an engine and another ate multiple rear-ends for some unknown reason, all this under 100,000 miles in all cases. The latest was a GMC that had a turbomax grenade with less than 10,000 miles on it. So every brand has its issues and Toyota does too, they are no better or worse, and lately their failures have been rather apparent...

[@TheOzthewiz]

The GM V8s are reliable, IF you DELETE the AFM/DFM!!

[@gregorydavis5210]

If they add a trailering app they will charge per month for it

[@Jay-me7gw]

Toyota’s iForce Max hybrid seems to be poor execution in comparison to Ford’s Powerboost. The Powerboost can achieve both performance and efficiency increases with the Powerboost while also offering 7.2kw.

[@bonesdug2001]

Tacoma moved production of this model from San Antonio to Mexico and now have all these problems… not hard to see the correlation there. And then the price actually went way up. They are saving prob up to 30 % over the cost of production in texas; yet the price is way up on a unit with less reliability, fewer standard options per trim level, and now pushing subscriptions for things you have already paid for when you bought the vehicle. Just bad all around.

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

Some of the best vehicles I’ve ever owned were built in Mexico. The worst were built in the states. Toyota has cut corners with cheap plastic and poor quality control. .

[@is6566]

They were building Tacos on Mexico for 5-10 years just not exclusively.

[@pryme2013]

The best tacomas were built in California but that model line ended in 2004. Those were the last true awesome tacomas imo they started getting too big in 05

[@gm12551]

@@is6566Baja California built the crew cab long beds only before the move to Mexico. I worked at the Texas plant aka TMMTX.

[@gm12551]

@@JohnDoe-nz6bkwhen I was in high school I had a friend who’s parents had a Silao built Suburban and another friend who had a Arlington or Janesville build and the US truck wasn’t falling apart. I’ve seen it on Silverados as well.

[@allenserfass5312]

Another issue is the usability of the new Tacoma. It has less interior room. Back seat is basically unusable. No more folding back seats that gives you a hard flat surface. Leg room is not for adults.

[@KapitanPisoar1]

Just drove the 1794 Edition Tundra. The materials were nice, but the interior was creaking and felt pretty flimsy. Not impressed

[@shikcheese3234]

Really appreciate this. More channels like this need to call out these manufacturers.

[@samuelw.3992]

Toyota had something special for many years. With the Tundra it was among the simplest trucks out there versus the other manufacturers. An they were reliable and robust. But now they jumped onto the bandwagon of having fancy ass tech and v6s, big mistake getting rid of the 5.7 v8.

[@dvandkq]

'24 TRD Pro owner since July, and I have about 1,500 miles of experience with the new truck towing a 20' 5,000 lb. toy-hauler. 2500 miles total thus far. 1. The blind-spot monitor does compensate for the trailer once the trailer's length has been programmed into the truck's "trailer manager". This is one of my favorite features. 2. I wish plugging a trailer's electrical plug into the truck would automatically activate tow/haul mode! 3. There are not electric motors (plural) in the hybrid system. There is just one electric motor, and it's buried within the transmission. I believe the combined torque of my truck is 563 ft lb. 4. Reliability concerns can be utilized as a negotiation tactic. My dealer threw in a 10 year warranty and four years of free service (as opposed to two that comes standard) when I pretended to have concerns about the engine recall.

[@GTOGregory]

Your front differential should not have broken. Something is weak! Oh, and subscription services! My new 85K Silverado HD has only partially operating OnStar. I never got to enjoy the free portion of any service because they never worked. OnStar couldn't fix it, but they still charged me monthly.

[@jmpersic]

Glad you're talking about this. Toyota has never been less compelling, to me anyway. Subjective to be sure, but "Toyota's styling is not "easy on the eyes", but hey at least they're reliable" has been my argument for a while. Without reliability, why buy one? Frankly I wish all manufacturers would stop spending money on year-over-year over-styling baloney. Who is asking for fake hood scoops? Why not put that energy into engineered hard-points in the cab and body for accessories?

[@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw]

Car care nut had a good video on it. I'm my own opinion there is a downside to waiting so long between updates/generations of trucks. It means too much changes at once and more stuff can go wrong. The other issue is the fanboys who ignored common problems of earlier generations and created this mythos around reliability (they were reliable but they had problems like any car maker). But the mythos/legend around it was they didn't have any issues or that those issues didn't matter.

[@Jay-me7gw]

Yup. Current F150's still share some basic parts/components with 2009 trucks. And usually, Ford will release powertrain updates half way through a generational cycle. For example, 2009 was the first year of the 12th gen F150 but the 5.0, 6.2, and 3.5L EB were not introduced until 2011. 2015 was the first year of the 13th gen but then powertrains were updated in 2017/2018. Any given year F150 will likely have a few problems since its either had generational or powertrain updates within the last couple of years, but it wont have ALL the problems.

[@crittercherry3800]

Playing Devil's Advocate, the '12-'14 Camry's had a torque converter 'flaw/fix'. As long as it was within a certain mileage range, Toyota replaced it, BUT with the very same defective converter. Which means next time it failed, and it would, the owner had to pay. 😢

[@Dk-qf8dd]

I am in the process of buying a new “mid-size”.It has come down to a Chevy Colorado ZR2 or the Ford Ranger (Raptor vs XLT4) … both will fit in my garage. I discounted the Tacoma once I sat in it and saw the final cost with the options I wanted. 😳.

[@chocolat4hogs]

I remember overheated transmissions on media days. There is no way the Engineers did not know of this issue. The removal of bump stops on a truck is also a no sale for me. They turn their trucks into cars. They can’t do truck things.

[@Jay-me7gw]

F150's and Raptors have not had bumpstops in the front for forever and arnt blowing shocks through their tophats like the Tacoma is. Just like F150's have had 3.5L TT V6's for 14 years and were not catastrophically failing at alarming rates. These are all Toyota problems.

[@CoolioDaMan]

Toyota quality going down???? Take a look at the Land Cruiser…. That’s where Toyota is heading… 1980s Hyundai build quality… and thanks to the crap that Toyota is offering, prior generations of Tacomas and Tundras are skyrocketing….. just wait for the new 4Runner with the factory equipped POS option…

[@oldrango883]

At least factory equipped POS option is not subscription based 😂😂😂

[@setharp]

I saw a new Land Cruiser for the first time yesterday. I had to do a double-take. I thought for a second it was some sort of domestic model. A far cry from the "real" Land Crusiers.

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@oldrango883 Right it comes with the $65k purchase price. What a deal.

[@krisschanz1412]

This is a classic example of the saying, “If it ain’t broke don’t fix it” they could of kept the reliable powertrain’s in both trucks in the new body style and gave the option of the turbo powered motors to start with. Now Toyota is stuck with figuring out all the problems with no other options to sell to the customer. Very bad business decision on Toyota’s side.

[@arsyadidris6349]

They couldve kept that old V6 and augmented it with a hybrid tbh… same engine architecture and keeping the legislators happy at the same time. Its not like they dont how to do it. The current gen Century, last gen JDM Crown RS Advance, LS500h, LC500h… theyre using longitudinal engines thats been augmented with an emotor. And those powertrains are waaay more complicated.

[@ryancummins9749]

Way too expensive. No more V6 option on the Tacoma

[@warbuzzard7167]

You "NO MOAR V6!"guys realize that YOU did this to the car market, right? It's you voting for government that has placed crazy environmental corporate average fuel economy standards on all manufacturers, hence "hybrids" and high-pressure turbos on small-displacement engines.

[@larryp4995]

I purchased a 2023 Tundra with only 800 miles had to replace the front Differential and Transfer case it took 3 1/2 months to get my Truck back. Then Toyota Corp. sent a letter recall for engine replacement and had NO issues only had 15,000 miles... I purchase a new 2024 Tundra TRD off road 2 weeks ago built on July 2024 hoping they solved their issues by now..

[@JokerG16]

You guys spending time doing this video is for naught. When you’re at those Toyota events, y’all glaze all over these plastic trucks 😂 knock it off with the “omg what’s happening!” stuff

[@VantaBlackhole]

Are they testing these trucks out at these events? Good luck on gas & crashing with an all metal truck.

[@zacherybranch5396]

They can still like the truck. I think Nissan cars look nice but i would never buy one

[@ScoobyFermentation]

For months Roman was saying that people were “making a mountain out of a molehill.”

[@coreyjoe1665]

@@zacherybranch5396yes those 370s and 400z are slick but youd still have to drive a nissan

[@Owen-lx7tx]

Congratulations your comment just puts you at Karen status😂

[@kylesummers1565]

Been a Toyota fan for decades. In 2023 I was in the market for a new truck. I sold my 2013 V-8 Rock Warrior to the company for a work truck (one of the best in our fleet today and we usually buy only new trucks). When I found out they ditched the v-8 and recovery hooks on the new trucks, I bought a Tremor for my new personal truck instead. I guess I should thank Toyota at this point for eliminating the recovery hooks, because that was a deal breaker that apparently saved me a lot of headaches by going with the Tremor instead. The Toyota I-Force was thirsty as hell (especially with 4.25 diffs in Rock Warrior) but the reliability was more important to me.

[@markderoller7645]

I like the remote services for lock/unlock, start. Otherwise, all you need is Android Auto or Apple Carplay.

[@spyder000069]

The free ford app also lets you gps locate your vehicle. Helped us feel more comfy that our daughter made it to school when she just got her license. In combo with remote start its a big factor why I consider ford first. Also lets you check fuel level and oil life.

[@javierramos9795]

A possible solution for the Tacoma rear seat issue would be to use the long bed frame, give it 5.5’ bed and make the cab 6” longer, that should provide more flexibility for both driver and rear passengers.

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

You should see the quality control issues with my 24 sequoia. The hybrid system sucks. Too much plastic that rattles for a 82 grand vehicle.

[@Ducs4life]

Your 3rd row is broken also.

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

@@Ducs4life don’t even get me started on that mess.

[@is6566]

What’s wrong with the hybrid system specifically? Every review loves it on and off road.

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

@@is6566it doesn’t save on gas. It doesn’t add any extra power. It’s very clunky to the point that it feels like the transmission is going to drop. Then the 3rd row seats sit on top of the battery. I’ll never buy a hybrid system again. Especially when it adds extra costs to renew my registration and insurance.

[@Jay-me7gw]

I would have been a lot more interested in the Sequoia if it had a non-hybrid option and if it had kept the full-time 4wd system that it had since in debuted 2001

[@steve-wu7jp]

Building trucks in the south or Mexico where labor costs and quality are low and charging high prices is shameful

[@TheOzthewiz]

What about the Tundras that are built in TEXAS where labor costs are HIGH and "quality" is high(?), but the trucks are STILL SHIT!

[@gamebredduramax71]

Hopefully people stick to their principles and don’t buy the junk they put out and put a big hurtin on the companies, the only problem with that is the government will just turn around and use our money I.e tax dollars to bail them out if they do fail for making poor business decisions, also something you or I won’t get if we run our businesses to the ground for poor decision making

[@arsyadidris6349]

True for american companies… but dont expect the US gov to bail out the japanese companies, despite having alot of factories in the US. Which, btw, is one reason why Toyota is in so much debt. That late2000s crisis did a number on toyota for their finances. Ofcourse… a few other major things happened to toyota afterwards that kept piling their debt.

[@losloera5987]

Profits over Quality, it's been this way for years at toyota

[@brooksravenscroft8304]

I’m a 21 year Toyota owner who just bought a GMC. I will not go back. Getting rid of the V8 lost me. I actually use my truck in Construction and need the power of the V8. Bye Toyota

[@pryme2013]

I had a 16 tundra and was watching what the tundra was going to have for engine and features and when it was v6 turbo only and looked like a tonka toy with that hilarious giant plastic front end no tow hooks no usable rear bumper all cheap plastic I also went to gm but I went HD because I didn’t want any mpg gimmick stuff either.

[@Kain9407]

The most popular truck in the construction industry is a F-150. You do not need a V8 for construction and the V6 in the new Tundra performs just as well.

[@pryme2013]

@@Kain9407 I’ve yet to see a single new style tundra at any work site and rarely see the older ones either. 99.9% Ford and GM up here in the upper Midwest

[@Kain9407]

@@pryme2013 Has nothing to do with what I said or what I was replying to. I actually said the most common truck used in construction is the F-150. Part of that is because they make cheap stripped down models that Toyota doesn't offer. The topic of conversation though was the supposed need for a V8.

[@EasyMoneySG]

shouldn't you be buying a diesel if the power is the biggest concern? the 6 cyl turbo puts out lots of power, HP and tq. Honestly, i dont think "work trucks" for farming or construction are Toyota's market.

[@mrblondeheart9562]

21:22 - “Tacoma has terrible rear seats. *the FJ cruiser’s rear seats have entered the chat*

[@SteveLowe65]

2 weeks ago my first gen (2006) Tundra was sadly totalled in a wreck, so I'm in the market for a replacement. Won't be buying a current gen Tundra or Tacoma, that's for certain.

[@TheOzthewiz]

Get a 2000 or older Silverado 5.3L without "AFM", you'll never look back!!

[@robbyb3184]

Loved Roman’s expression when the front diff broke on the trail 😂

[@Jeremiah_Johnson139]

I honestly never thought I'd see Toyota fall from grace in reliability. The very sad thing is, because of "environmental zealots" Toyota is probably too scared to bring back their extremely reliable V8.

[@Car-crazy]

They are not to scared, they just are unable to because of all the ridiculous government mandates on pollution and silly going green policies. It is also the reason for putting so much so called safety features, again more expensive rubbish that manufacturers are forced to include in order to be compliant with current regulations. I would love for all the cars to be like my manual truck or my Jimny, very simple, but does what you want it to. My 2 year old LC 150 that I bought new 2 years ago while thankfully doesn't have as much of the electronic crap in as some cars, still has way more than really necessary. It is a really great car, but if it were more like my Jimny in terms of lack of features it would still be a great car.

[@pryme2013]

@@Car-crazyDo you actually believe that?😂 Ford and GM sell hundreds of thousands of V8 trucks a year lmao

[@Car-crazy]

@pryme2013 Maybe in America they can still sell American built v8, but in many countries now they simply can not, that is a fact. And in America it will become increasingly harder to sell v8 anymore due to the stricter regulations. I would be surprised if new v8 sales are sold in anything more than a very few vehicles now. Only got to look at all the restrictions being enforced onto manufacturers. It will unfortunately only get worse.

[@Jeremiah_Johnson139]

@@pryme2013 You honestly believe "a v8 is a v8" regardless of manufacturer? Wow you're dumb!

[@jefferyG499]

@@pryme2013 He just wants to yap about DUH GUVMINT!

[@bengonzalez5673]

those paid concierge services isn't isolated to Toyota. There are a few manufacturers that offer them. Sales associates usually tell you those services are available through your smart phone and can be accessed via Apple Car Play or Android Auto.

[@DonaldVinchkoski]

I won’t buy a vehicle unless an adult can sit comfortably in the back seat. If I go on a trip with 2 or 3 friends I want them to fit in the backseat.

[@itgoesfast2722]

My take on this and the entire car market is that manufacturers do not want people to buy a vehicle and keep it for 10 - 15 years. So two ways that are doing it. Make cars very expensive so a lease is the only way most people can afford the monthly payment. Secondly make them less reliable so people will be more prone to only keeping them until the warranty has expired.

[@bccmorgan984]

On most trucks today the standard is to expect around 200,000 miles which is easily obtainable with standard maintenance, I have personally proven this on many occasions. Cars today with over 100,00 miles can still run, drive and appear new if you taken care of them. Step back to the 1970s and 1980s and this was not the case. They just don't make 'em like they used to for good reason. I am not a big fan of all the tech, but back up cameras, parking sensors, radar cruise and forward collision alert are making driving safer.

[@waterloo123100]

@@bccmorgan984in the 80s Honda and Toyota were at their peak reliability there’s many of their cars and trucks with 600k on them or more all original. You have no idea what your talking about

[@bccmorgan984]

@@waterloo123100 Sorry, but I lived it.

[@bccmorgan984]

@waterloo123100 A transmission and working cruise control past 100k was a feat. My 1980 civic muffler had to be replaced ever three years and the clutch went out at 85,000 miles...all after the body left this world in the form of rust...ya they were absolutely stellar! Second 80s civic rusted nearly as bad.

[@ImYourHucklebery117]

What happened with the US quality, yall aways complaining about the Tacomas made in Mexico and look at the Tundras made and assembled in Texas, even the engine is made in the US...

[@ryankudebeh2570]

The board forced out Toyoda, and now look at this mess. They had arguably the greatest car company in history, and now, like all corporate pirates, they've started stripping it for parts. The most sold, most reliable, most respected company with the second-highest market cap, and they think they're going to increase the stock price by, what, completely trashing the entire corporate identity? Toyota isn't the bleeding edge of anything except reliability. They aren't the most comfortable, or tech-savy, or inexpensive. They built their entire company, from the ground up, on reliability and durability. Anything that damages that reputation should be a five-alarm fire for them, and instead... this. I just can't believe that the shareholders can look at this situation and stand by it. I truly think they are going to either reinstate Toyoda or someone like him, because this is economic suicide.

[@arsyadidris6349]

Hes actly the chairman of toyota motor corp right now. He upgraded. Though… im not sure wether he was set to be upgraded, he came back when problems started happening so he could try and right the ship, OR the position of “chairman” is merely a retirement post n he doesnt have any actual powers. Watever the case, 2024 has been a rough year for toyota, and all of it was their own doing. Nothing to do with what the customer want/dont want. What do i mean by this: BEVs ofcourse. While other manufacturers r having an almighty headache in downscaling their BEV production n losing billions in the process, toyota doesnt have this issue. Their issue? Recalls n scandals. One after the other at that😂

[@donaldsmith1957]

The EPA is the biggest impediment to having small trucks, as those of years ago. The wheelbase and truck width are the parameters by which the EPA sets the fuel economy standard for all vehicles sold in USA

[@is6566]

Very few people know this. Worst offenders are usually the hard core environmentalists complaining about larger and larger truck sizes.

[@car-diologist]

The purpose of purchasing a Tacoma traditionally is for the reliability, affordability, and quality. Toyota has taken away the reliability, taking away the v6, giving us an unproven 4 cylinder turbo many of us don't care for. It's clear the quality is questionable based off of current 2024 Tacoma owner reports and the worst of it all is the ridiculously high msrp. With less cylinders, lack of quality and reliability and way overpriced. It makes zero sense to invest in the new Tacoma. Toyota can go pound sand, I will not be buying one.

[@FencerFixerRepairLLCKansasCity]

I'm a repair guy that works on electric fence products and the other day i talked to an engineer that works for John Deere. He deals with quality testing 3-6 years before a machine is launched to the public to try and work out issues. He said about 10 years ago John Deere started focusing on creature comforts and the driver experience and he said when that started, the quality of the actual function of the machine and what it's supposed to do started going downhill.

[@tim3172]

It sounds like he took personal offense to the direction taken so he's forming his own non sequitur. "We focused on making the seats more comfortable so the drivetrain suffered." That's not how anything works. They'd have to actively make the drivetrain *worse*. That's a separate issue entirely from creature comforts and the driver experience.

[@FencerFixerRepairLLCKansasCity]

@@tim3172 well he still works there as an engineer

[@jossege]

Garage was 100% a factor for me when I bought my 2021. I would have loved the 6' bed, but had to get 5' to fit in the garage and still have my big toolbox in the garage. As for engine compartment room. they went from a V6 (3 cyl long) to an I4 (4 cyl long). The engine is 1 cyl longer, not shorter. the space saved in the engine bay is side to side, not front to back.

[@danaberman6929]

V6 turbos, not thanks. The 5.7 Toyota had was bullet proof...

[@jonathanratliff4780]

Check out the first two years of that 5.7 engine in 2007 and 2008 and all the valve train problems and sucking in of valves and recalls same time per Dio’s in that engine Basically as the new engine. Have a good day

[@MrJwh3000]

It really wasn't bulletproof but if that's the lie you want to keep alive...

[@chadmiller6487]

​@jonathanratliff4780 have you towed with the new toyota? It's an absolute pos..

[@donlindsay1643]

The 4.7 and 4.6 were the best V8s.

[@damilolaakanni]

No, it wasn't. Compared to the 4.7 it wasn't.

[@RedEye_Andy]

I’m up to 14 recalls on my 22’ Tundra, not to mention all the service tickets for build quality. Not what I’m used to with Toyota.

[@HD46409]

Hybrids are hard on ICE engines. A lot of starting and stopping. Also, never buy the first year of any car. You are pushing it at year 2 and by year 3, you are probably safe. If you want to be super safe, wait until they are retiring the generation.

[@is6566]

I say second or third year of the mid cycle refresh or the last year of the generation

[@AyaWetts]

hot starts and stops are rougher than idling, but not that bad over time with proper engine maintenance. Cold starts are what are rough on an engine.

[@technom3598]

Start stop has been around for a decade and this engine has been around for 4 years

[@Jay-me7gw]

So in 15 years?

[@arsyadidris6349]

Didnt they thought about the constant start stop issue since they released the Prius way back? On cold start, the ICE isnt doing much, most of the work is done by the emotor until the ICE goes up to temp, n then the ICE share the load after warming up. N they have electric oil pumps n idle mode which keeps the engine warm. So the ICE in a toyota hybrid never actly get “too cold”. But i agree with the rest. Buying a first or second year car is fine as long as u have that mentality that “something will go wrong” and ur willing to squeeze the dealers for every small problems that happen. Perks of first year cars. But if ur not up for that and just want a car thats undergone all the troubleshooting… yeah, wait a few years.

[@witube256]

Yes! I got a Tacoma 2019 and I’m happy with it ! You are right ! The new generation Tacoma isn’t the way I expecting NEED ALOT OF IMPROVEMENT ! Thanks for sharing the information.