Chevy ZR2 vs Ram TRX: You'll REALLY Be Surprised By How They Do on the World's Toughest Towing Test!

[@peatdeloosha2463]

Good video with two cool trucks.

[@sagemaster6814]

The highlight for me was @6:35 with that runner. Then again i'm a midsized guy. Many years ago I got a blue v-8 dakota quad cab 4x4, showed up to my dad's house on the way home and went wtf. He had bought the same exact truck same color only 2500 heavy duty on the same day at a different place, dude same year. Kick a! father and sun (because i'm so bright) trucks. It was a good laugh.

[@johnyancey5625]

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[@rickgrimes2056]

Don’t forget TRX $100,000+ ZR2 $65-75,000 Hugely important info

[@brenteason9891]

Oil temp? Coolant temp? Transmission temp? There is more than just fuel efficiency to measure when towing.

[@fireant1272]

Fuel economy when towing is the last thing I'd be worried about.

[@andrewsbbq]

This has gone pure entertainment and view count revenue and not the "real world" reviews that built the TFL brand.

[@philllsxga.7737]

I watch them all when I tow.. And I don't care about the touch screen BS!! How can you time the climb?? Hold it to the floor and see who gets there first!!

[@EGGINFOOLS]

They never receive this message unfortunately and most of these trucks nowadays display this information

[@Stuka87]

@@philllsxga.7737 The point is to see if trucks can hold the speed limit up the hill. A lot of trucks with bigger loads can't, so their time goes up. They can't just blatantly break the speed limit when HWY patrol is all over that road. I would also like to see trans/oil temps. Though not all trucks show that info.

[@JsGarage]

Not sure why it’s always mentioned the ZR2 is overpriced when a Tremor F150 can hit 70K too and doesn’t get a front locker or fancy shocks. You can hit 70K with any luxury half ton these days. ZR2 is standard as luxury truck.

[@coachmixer8230]

Right? I’m pretty sure any truck higher than a mid level trim is 60K now

[@JsGarage]

@Midnight Mechanic Truth!

[@bobdennis4801]

@@coachmixer8230 you can price an XLT F150 to high $60k

[@kahless0173]

Because being able to hit 70k is way different than not being able to get it for under 70k period. The zr2 is nearly 30% more expensive. Chevy forces you into bells and whistles while Ford will let you just get the off-road bits you want without all the frills.

[@JsGarage]

@@kahless0173 The trail boss exists for people wanting less but still a more off-road oriented truck. I agree the ZR2 should come in lower equipment levels but that doesn’t make it too expensive for what it is relative to competition.

[@AgentSmith911]

I didn't expect the fuel economy to be that bad, but then I remember the diesel F-250 Super Duty got 2.3 MPG on the same test. But then again, it was pulling three times the weight.

[@pappy232]

The sound of that TRX when Andre merged onto the highway! That’s what I’m talkin about

[@GTOGregory]

I still say the ZR2 should have a supercharger option, or the 6.6-liter option from the heavy duty warmed over for more power.

[@MissionRestomod]

You can get a kit for $6-10k aftermarket.

[@briandoty438]

Love the content fellas. While I can understand the WANT to compare these two truck, they are not in the same category. The TRX is a supercharged, high horsepower, wide body, long travel suspension, halo truck. The ZR2, while it may be Chevy's halo truck, is an offroad beast with a very nice suspension and big NA V8, that you can daily without it being too large, inefficient and cumbersome like the TRX. Raptors and TRX(es) are for those who can afford two vehicles, one of which being their toy. Just my opinion. I know everyone has a different one. Still my favorite Truck/4X4 reviewers out there. 😉

[@briandoty438]

@@thegonz7833 cool story bro

[@chadd587]

I think we can see which truck is inefficient. I see plenty of TRX daily driving around here and the only problem I can think of as being a daily is it's aggressive looking nature. Seems like the truck is comfortable and the suspension plush and it's no less efficient than the 6.2. Equal displacement, supercharged, 700hp better towing mannerisms and better fuel economy. Where is the Chevy more practical?

[@ryanclevinger2408]

@@chadd587 The chevy averages 17mpg unloaded and the TRX averages 12 on a good day...

[@Goodbarsix]

I am a Ram guy, but man is that ZR2 a good option!

[@keithmceuen8775]

The TRX might be getting better mileage because it has the power to pull a higher gear so it’s turning less rpm

[@mopardude707]

Exactly so whatever is behind it. It's pulling easily with that extra power.

[@hochhaul]

Axle ratio.

[@007Knightjp]

Two awesome trucks. I'm not surprised of the result. I like the look of the ZR2 over the Ram, however I'm a huge fan of Ram; especially the TRX. I'm surprised that no one is mentioning that the Chevy's new screens and stuff kind of look like an after-thought compared with the 12" screen in the Ram. As much as I love the UConnect system, I think that the infotainment software in the Chevy is better. Another factor is that you are seated lower in the cab inside the Chevy which I don't think is as good for off-roading as the driving position in the Ram or the even a Ford Raptor. I noticed that none of the journalists who review these trucks mention this. Maybe because they are over 6 ft and probably don't notice it.

[@timradke7775]

Like the look? Ha ha ha

[@007Knightjp]

@@timradke7775 Have to admit that there are somethings that Chevy did right with the current gen Silverado. However it is nothing to write home about in terms of trading my 2014 Ram in for one. I would trade in my Ram in for a new PowerWagon though.

[@hochhaul]

The seat height in the 2019+ Silverado is noticeably better than it was in any GM truck sold in the last 30 years. It's much closer to the F-150 than it once was. The ZR2's hood gives the sense that the seat height is lower.

[@007Knightjp]

@@hochhaul I went to the Chevy dealer last week and had a look at the new ZR2. I concur, the position is better than when I compared it 2 years ago. At that time I was comparing it to my 2014 Ram 1500. There's been a change in the interior design from the 2021 model. I noticed it immediately. However I'm still not sold on getting a Chevy over a Ram. If I was getting a new 1500 truck, the Chevy would be on my shortlist.. certainly way above Ford. But I'd stick with the Ram 1500. If I was really going for new truck, my first choice would be a PowerWagon.

[@cdubbrider3740]

I love the content of truck life.

[@sleeeper88]

I have always been a gm guy but my ram trx has been amazing, does everything. It's a hot rod, you can dune it almost like a utv, it towes my enclosed trailer perfectly, and on road trips it rides and drives like a Cadillac. The offroad capabilites or more than most people would ever do. Cruising down freeway i can get 15.5 mpg and that is with a 37.

[@nathanielcox9962]

I wish you guys would check the actual fuel economy on this test as well because you know that the computer calculations are usually wrong in one way or another. Thanks!

[@Over_Taxed_USA]

Supercharged vs N/A... Gee I wonder.

[@4-LOW]

I hate that ball mount. I don't care what they rate it for. I don't care how many are in use nationwide. I'd never use one. WAY too many joints, bolts, nuts, and parts there. By its very design there are more failure points, and failure of a hitch could be catastrophic. The K.I.S.S. principle definitely applies to trailer hitches and ball mounts.

[@markhavelka4924]

It also puts the pivot point way back there, giving the trailer more leverage/downforce on the truck’s hitch. And you can’t use weight distribution bars, exacerbating the issue (or so it would seem to me.)

[@matthewanderson9912]

I noticed on the weight slip your drive axle on the ZR2 was at 3400 pounds. I’m not sure what the RGAWR is on the ZR2 but a typical Silverado Z71 1500 will be about 3800 pounds. So based off that you were within 400 pounds of the max rear axle rating with just you in the truck. I’d say that’s why you were getting the warning from the truck when Nathan was with you plus any extra camera equipment you may have had. Sounds like that trailer is very tongue heavy which is pretty typical for trailers like that. That’s why they are pushing the limits of a half ton truck even though they “only” weigh 7,000 pounds. Also as for fuel economy I think every Ram you ever test says 4.7 on the Ike towing at a minimum. I tend to think maybe 4.7 is as low as that fuel economy reading will go.

[@redracerproductions]

I didn't look that closely at the slip but I'd be shocked if they weren't over on payload for both trucks with that trailer. They have to be close anyway and not much if anything in the beds.

[@matthewanderson9912]

@@redracerproductions I know the rear axle was 3400 and I’m pretty sure the front was 3100 or 3150. So about 6500 or 6550 with just Andre in the truck with the trailer hooked up. I think the GVWR is 7000 for a ZR2. They were definitely close and almost certainly exceeding the rated max tongue weight of the ZR2.

[@LeakyJoosbox]

Ill say it time and time again, Ram with its 8 speed is much better with downhill performance every time. Always 1-2 no matter the weight. With the fuel eco difference i feel like having an abundance of power beyond what you need it does stress the power train out as much and it will run more efficient

[@Stuka87]

The 8sp isn't what makes it good at going down hill. More gears is better in that regard because the trans can keep the engine in the correct RPM easier. What makes the Ram TRX good downhill as far as braking performance goes, is the super charger. The super charger sucks a lot of power to spin. That extra drag makes it act similar to an exhaust brake, only in this case its basically an intake brake.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@Stuka87 the supercharger should be freely spinning on deceleration. I think there might even be a bypass so as to expel any air flowing through the rotors.

[@LeakyJoosbox]

@@Stuka87 its with every ram not just the trx. Everyone 1-2 brake applications. And yes i do believe it is the 8 speed. Every truck that has a 10 speed performs the same as the zr2 in this video. Usually around 5. The 8 speeds gearing is better at holding the truck back. In my old truck that had a 5 speed it was much more aggressive than my current ram with the 8 speed. Although the 8 speed performs fantastic

[@Stuka87]

@@ALMX5DP Centrafugal's have a bypass valve (loud wooshing sound when off throttle). But a roots style relies on the throttle blade being closed to limit air. The throttle blade being closed is what makes engine braking work. Engine creates a big vacuum that slows its rotation. The same happens with a roots type blower.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@Stuka87 ah gotcha, but if the throttle body is closed what engine braking effect would the supercharger have? It would just be rotors spinning in a semi-vacuum environment right?

[@roywall8169]

A video about trucks, like it.

[@alanyoung4102]

I remember reading somewhere that the Ram trucks and some other similar lines will bottom out their mpg at ~4.7. I was trying to find the story but couldn’t. Anybody else remember that discussion?

[@CodyLeslie]

I definitely believe it. I really wish they would test the mpg for this loop more accurately because every fiat product they have run up there short of heavy duties has been 4.7. I’m supposed to believe that the gladiator, ram with the hemi, ram trx, all magically get 4.7? Across years and condition changes and different trailers? I don’t but it fit a second. I believe they stop reading lower which has skewed all of their results.

[@terrencejones9817]

That Trailer is too heavy to used without weight distribution. That might have something to do with your over weight warning. Also stop complaining about the seats, they are slightly firm when new only. I have 50k on 2019 Trailboss, I spent 2 hours a day in it. I'm 6'2" 240lbs. The seats are fine.

[@dalejones4322]

That TRX is such a great vehicle. Thanks guys

[@hochhaul]

I just wish it had lived up to what Ram first showed us. The TRX concept was 100% legit with droop stop straps and beefy control arms. Then the clowns at Stellantis neutered it.

[@chrisblanton1087]

You can tell Andre is obsessed with the ZR2. I think the Chevy is probably the better tow rig in this situation. Like someone said in another comment the TRX is an off road toy not a daily driver. The power train in the Chevy is great I just do not like the new design of any of the Chevy trucks. The GMC’s look much better.

[@acemobile9806]

Agreed, Andre obsessed with looking ugly. What's even more astounding to me is the fact that people are actually warming up to this fugly direction the Chevs have gone. Proof positive that they could put a bowtie on an actual turd & you'd have suckers lining up around the block to buy it.

[@master6435]

The ram does have some massive front brakes

[@loganamurray64]

The rear rotors on a TRX are bigger than most car’s front rotors

[@IAMTheBlackMoon]

KUDOS on being one of the FEWEST reviewers on KZbin to have PERTINENT sponsor segways; I HATE it when sponsor ads are just shoved into the middle of videos, because they rarely, if at all, have anything of value to relate to the video content, and I find myself having to skip them to keep any interest. Thank you for having sponsor segments that actually relate to your reviews.

[@jsasu.3]

Man that TRX is one badass truck!

[@IsaacMuntz]

It really is

[@Oozywolf]

The two GOATs. Two cool trucks too ;) I think I like the Silverado a little more aesthetically, but I wish the bottom of the grille wasn't so square. It looks like a piece of the front is missing, making the TRX look more like a more cohesive design.

[@stevendensmore7653]

Well the TRX didn't have to work as hard cause if the power. Reminds me of back in the day I has a Tacoma v6 4x4 and my buddy had the same truck with a 4cyl. I got better mpg than him.

[@AC-io8qs]

You also cannot judge MPG by the on-board computer..

[@superhawk20002]

Honestly. What guy on planet Earth would pick the ZR2 over the TRX if money was not an option? The TRX is a beast in about every way, just a much more "substantial" truck overall.

[@robertryan7204]

Strange that an Australian Off Road Caravan, although Chinese built and owned, has become the default load for several TFL tests. 19ft internal 25ft overall is pretty common here.

[@Adam-nv9zo]

Awesome content. Absolutely love comparison videos. Keep up the good work.

[@zachburgett7784]

Idk why the mileage results are a surprise. The TRX got better mileage because the engine isn’t as stressed compared to the ZR2. Andre even mentioned having to have his foot in the ZR2 more.

[@JMAC48thebest]

The TRX is in its own class. come on really.

[@Richie23OO]

For trucks like this the TRX is my first Choice. For GM I'd take the AT4X or even a AT4 before the ZR2. the look of it and the interiors are nicer than the Chevy's And if I'm spending that much money (or have that much to spend) already a few thousand more for the GMC doesn't really matter.

[@mandytuning]

The view at the top is incredible

[@tommythompson7941]

I just got a 19 Bison from my family for my birthday and I think the tonneau cover thing irks me. Besides that, get the diesel if it suits you. Mine's the V6. I'm very happy so far. Fifty thou miles. North Jersey weather conditions.

[@JDC129]

I don't understand why they are comparing two trucks with almost a 300hp differential in a towing test. Apples and Oranges. If they put the C7 Vette ZR1 motor in this truck (which is basically Supercharged 6.2L) then you would have a real comparison. Which has me thinking...please do GM!

[@Hector071197]

I would like to see the ZR2 again but doing it in AWD Auto or 4H since the RAM TRX is AWD all the time.

[@coachmixer8230]

The problem with the IKE Gauntlet towing test is that it naturally and exponentially favors Turbo Charged engines. Like a 6.2L vs a 3.5L ecoboost at sea level is a nose and nose race. At 2 miles above sea level, the turbocharger will always overperform. Given that 90-95% of us don’t live in the Rockies, it produces skewed and often misleading results

[@jasonbruney8842]

It's a comparison in the same elements. That's the test.

[@kylechrestman6955]

So what your saying is that the Chevy can hang on low-lying flat areas? Living in the Great Smoky Mountains and pulling a camper the ecoboost is a no brainer. It’s really confusing why Ford and Toyota are the only people who use a twin turbo v-6 as their premier engine. Only time will tell about the durability of these, but there are tons of high mileage ecoboost around if you look. The torque curve of a forced induction engine simply cannot be matched by any normal NA V8. I spent the last several years owning a 5.7 Limited Toyota Tundra. Best truck I’d ever owned up to that point. So far in my 30k miles on my ecoboost F150 there is no comparison when it comes to towing. As far as MPG goes, the tundra 5.7 is notorious for bad fuel economy. So the ecoboost is somewhat of an upgrade. However, put some weight behind it, or keep your foot in it and it really isn’t any better than any other modern truck.

[@coachmixer8230]

I’m not questioning the validity of the results, I’m questioning the scope of the test. Unless you live in the Rocky or other high mountainous regions, this test is largely irrelevant to the capability of an 8 cylinder NA engine vs a turbo v6

[@kylechrestman6955]

@@coachmixer8230 the only time your comparison would matter was if you were somewhere totally flat, without hills at all. Doesn’t matter how high the mountain or hill, 10ft or 10,000. The turbo will outperform the NA every single time you aren’t on flat ground.

[@coachmixer8230]

@@kylechrestman6955 that’s patently false, air density shares an inverse relationship with altitude. The higher the altitude, the lower the density. If you were going from 0 ft up a mountain to 3,000 feet, the 6.2 would perform much better than going from 7,000 to 10,000 feet. I’m not sure how you’re drawing that conclusion that “any” hill will yield the same result.

[@robertmoulton2656]

A boosted engine loves work,and is more efficient when working . It's putting around where the non boosted will shine

[@reginaldcarter1730]

Supercharger vs naturally aspirated...... should be Raptor vs TRX..... or ZR2 vs Tremor...... those are comparable challenges

[@freedomisntfree_44]

We all know the ecoboost embarrasses any n/a v8 though

[@dcsteve7869]

@@freedomisntfree_44 until you start looking at fuel efficiency and cost of ownership, then the V8 has the last laugh. The ecoboost has been a maintenance and repair disaster

[@freedomisntfree_44]

@@dcsteve7869 seen many with over 200k miles and if you drive it right it gets better mpg so not sure what you’re talking about there, and gm is the least reliable vehicle you can buy. Take a lawsuit for them to fix the ongoing lifter problems on their v8s…. Hundreds of videos to prove it. You should research a little before commenting.

[@geoffmooregm]

@@freedomisntfree_44 No. I drive one every day. It's fine around town lightly loaded. Sure it has power but it sucks for towing and hauling daily. Awful economy when loaded and next to zero engine braking. My 17 Sequoia is a much better tow rig than my F-150 Ecoboost. It gets better economy wen towing our 6500lb trailer or when traveling 120km/hr or faster on the highway. The Toyota's have god awful economy in town. So really it depends what you do with your truck.

[@dcsteve7869]

@@freedomisntfree_44 I know all about the lifters and the facts are it's less than a 1% failure rates and isn't present on current generations. The 8L90 issues were traced to transmission fluid, something easily fixed with Mobile one HP LVP. Wards listed the gmt800/900 as one of the longest lived vehicles on the road today taking the #2 and #4 spots with two different models. In dependability studies GM has 3 brands in the top 10 most reliable including Chevy. Compare that to Dodge which falls near the bottom of the lists and Ford which barely maintains industry averages. The Ecoboost itself has had numerous problems including failing cam variators, oiling problems and turbo failures as well as a number of heat related issues. That's on top of the thousands of complaints about the vehicles not even coming close to their epa rated fuel economy. You won't find a credible source out there that recommends the Ecoboost over the V8 within the Ford family if there is an option, so maybe YOU should do your research before commenting

[@Zanderthelab]

When you said hey google my google home mini responded. It couldn’t tell me how much gas I had left tho…

[@juliecohen9041]

i wish the ZR2 for next year would have a super charger

[@andrewsbbq]

Let's see some apt comparisons. ZR2 vs TRD Pro vs Rebel GT vs Tremor. TFL is supposed to be real world consumer reviews, comparing to a wide body long travel supercharged truck is kind of like comparing a Miata to a Cayman - the basics are there, but the differences are plenty. I'm not bias for or against either truck, I'd just like to see honest reviews with relevant segment competitors. Say both trucks are the most off-road worthy from each brand doesn't put them in the same class/field. /Rant

[@gp.5989]

While this was a fun test, I'd really like to see that Rebel GT vs Tremor comparison as those are the 2 im looking at right now.

[@garytrawinski1843]

I think some of the reason that you had so few brake applications was because the wind resistance from the trailer heigh held you back..

[@landonsrt9587]

I used to love Chevy trucks. I’ve had 5 Z71 Silverados, all 4wd.. I wouldn’t touch one now.

[@everythinguneed5210]

should have option the chevy truck to match the price of the TRX, if u did that, u would be impressed with the air suspension option on the z71 among other cool things.....never thought i would be a chevy guy, i rented a truck from hertz for business, turns out it was a fully loaded tahoe z71, feel n love and went and bought one, hard 2 beat the options this thing has.....

[@wesbuchanan2718]

These trucks are considerably different. While there is a 1/2 ton vs 3/4 ton discrepancy, I almost feel that the Power Wagon and ZR2 are more in the same ballpark for off-road capability. It feels more like a super capable off-roader/crawler than a pre-runner even though its DSSV shocks allow for that. Perhaps one day we will get an SS version with a wide body and supercharger.

[@nameless5r]

They're both 1/2

[@oneslackr]

"While there is a 1/2 ton vs 3/4 ton discrepancy" Where did you come up with that?

[@wesbuchanan2718]

@@oneslackr didn’t think I’d get a response after a year! It’s was just as I was thinking through it, really. The Power Wagon is a very capable off-road truck built on Ram’s HD platform, That by itself makes it quite a bit different than the 1500 platform that the ZR2 is based on. The ZR2 isn’t a Raptor or TRX, but it’s lockers, suspension and underbody protection puts it in the same arena as what Power Wagon’s claim to fame was for off-road use. I also realize that this comment didn’t age great because we now have a 2500 ZR2 and AT4X HD. Those are more squarely in the sights of the Power Wagon, but I like the idea of the lighter weight 1500 with front and rear selectable lockers.

[@oneslackr]

@@wesbuchanan2718 : Makes sense. Just like @nameless5r I misread your initial comment.

[@louieatienza8762]

1/2 mile difference, per gallon. But you have to pay an extra $10K up front. Also it's obvious the supercharger will make the engine more efficient at elevation. How about Rebel vs. ZR2?!

[@rdsii64]

How about a four way battle royal with the Rebel vs ZR2 vs Tremor, vs the Tundra TRD Pro. Take them up the ike gauntlet, out in the desert, and out on a technical trial.

[@Cataclysm1]

The supercharger is not more efficient at elevation - the supercharger suffers the same loss of volumetric efficiency as the engine itself - both are positive displacement devices and the supercharger has a fixed speed ratio vs engine RPM. Turbos, on the other hand, can spin faster to make up for the loss of air density if they are designed correctly

[@lorneehlert4606]

What scares me the most is the cost of what the trucks and trailer cost. They are totally out of reach for anyone that’s on even a decent wage.

[@AC-io8qs]

For the fuel economy, with premium at that, I'd rather have a Kenworth.

[@zz-hj9zi]

the TRX did so good downhill because it learned the hill because its been down it multiple times already and its fully broken in

[@szubia1]

It would be interesting to see if there’s any changes in the future after you’ve owned the ZR2 or some time, like you’ve had with the TRX. I would be curious to see if the computer learns your driving habits and towing habits by then… Maybe it would adjust the downhill performance. Maybe not.

[@Rollingstone1988]

TRX is nearly double the price. New TRX's go for 120k+ now. ZR2 has dealer discounts often bringing them to 65k.

[@rodgood]

So the improvements for the latest silverado were just a big screen tv?

[@Stevonoles1]

Front and rear lockers. No other 1/2 ton truck has that. Multimatic DSSV suspension. New interior from top to bottom. Multi function tailgate is an option. Adaptive cruise control.

[@stevenwright6573]

Not to be an ass. But it seems like I haven't seen a lot of Ike gauntlet videos since you guys did a few on the HD trucks during summer. I hope you permanently do your annual HD truck test in mid July. I'd like to know if I spend 90k on a new HD 1 ton, that it can handle max towing on the Ike in worst case scenario temps in July. I know you guys have had a huge impact on how the big 3 test thier rigs, especially on the Ike at 11k feet. Making them aware of what it takes to cool those V8 diesels at 11k feet and 105 degrees Fahrenheit can only be a good thing right? Keep up the great work guys. You all do so much to inform the buying public about the capabilities that matter in the real world. So we can buy according to our needs we'll informed. If Ford, Chevy and Ram all build cooling systems capable of keeping temps steady at max towing capacity on the Ike in triple digits, all of us benefit right? Thank you all at TFL for what you do. Much appreciated.

[@Oldsoldiersays]

the truck said you were overweight because you were. that gross rating is at sea level. Your max at a mile high is going to be around 11,000 gross

[@cadody5319]

These new Chevys are such good looking trucks IMO

[@fireant1272]

Trx beast!

[@Xondor1337]

I’m interested in seeing some content of the zr2 being compared to the Ford F-150 Tremor and Ram Rebel. I’m curious as to how the zr2 compares to that category of trucks.

[@Mattman2500]

That would be more like apples to apples. I'd like to see that as well.

[@russellintahoe]

I agree that the ZR2 is not a Raptor nor TRX competitor. It is a Rebel and Tremor competitor.

[@tmklunk]

A whole 12,000 miles?! Wow

[@kurtfirestone2761]

I'd say for safety purposes you definitely should have a weight distribution hitch on the trucks

[@ALMX5DP]

I don’t think that articulating hitch is able to accommodate a WD setup.

[@mbhftw]

The altitude change will have less of an effect on the supercharged TRX than it will on the NA ZR2. This is part of the reason the TRX has better gas mileage

[@Autoguru83]

I love this channel and all you guys are great but Andre is hilarious 🤣 "How you like them apples" in typical Andre look, bahahaha.👍🏻👍🏻

[@jamesoldman3021]

Would be nice to see a test with both vehicles with the same number of miles on them.

[@ghostking0019]

Awesome video as always guys

[@egresk1]

4.2 mpg on premium. Good luck with that.

[@mnyhomie]

Nathan...dude I hear you on the seats. GM seats are absolutely full blown trash for about 15-20 years now. It's that rear butt portion because the seat sinks into the edges which are thick hard plastic. Compare to like a 2001 Tahoe leather captain chair and you'll see why the seats are so damn bad.

[@BLINKGOLD311]

I have the 50k version of the ZR2 - it’s the trail boss custom with the 6.2

[@hochhaul]

Oh the one without the spool valve shocks that are the core of what makes a ZR2 a ZR2. NEAT

[@guymatsuda8660]

Can you do a comparison between the Chevrolet ZR2 Silverado and the Dodge Ram Rebel? The Rebel is more similar I feel than the TRX. The TRX and the Raptor is in the same class. Now if you compared those two to the Jackal that would be awesome, obviously the Jackal isn’t a factory production truck.

[@Wootangtw]

Thanks guys…

[@keewatin427]

Getting a pickup truck in band-aid beige is the oddest trend. I’m sorry, but it looks like a pair of Spanx. I got mine in Glacier Blue, so it won’t get confused for a pair of orthopaedic shoes.

[@scarharting5577]

It's so it looks dirty all the time. That way the dirt doesn't show. Why is that considered an advantage?

[@uttamgala7186]

So many ads. With how big you guys are you should really be running no ads on your videos

[@andyd5492]

You guys still actually believe the MPG readout on Stellantis vehicles?

[@TaigaTurf]

The wide stance of the TRX really sets it apart from other trucks.. best looking by far

[@scarharting5577]

Huh? Its only competition is the Raptor which also has a very wide stance.

[@jimmysgarage9068]

I want to see a 1996 Ram 1500 vs Chevy 1500 vs Ford F-150 tow up the IKE. Let's go TFL!

[@ponce1521]

The TRX is always at 4.7 is that the lowest the computer goes? I think a gas pump mpg test would be more accurate right?

[@bernhardwiebe5199]

I second that

[@zoeyfaucett]

The trade in trx we got had 2.1 mpg on the dash so it's not limited at 4.7

[@ponce1521]

@@zoeyfaucett 10-4 thanks for that info! Everytime they do this test even with the heavier trailer when the brakes started smoking it was 4.7 so thats good to hear. Maybe that is the true mpg then

[@zoeyfaucett]

@@ponce1521 the fuel station test would be more accurate but they seem to be fairly close on the onboard calculations

[@JustinKingOffroad]

apparently i need to train my phone better cause your "hey google" woke mine up lol!

[@tommyr95]

What's the GAWR for the rear axle on the Chevy? It's got 3400 lbs. on it per the scales. I've noticed several trucks can't legally tow their max tow rating because the tongue weight required would overload the GAWR for the rear axle. Perhaps the Chevy's computer picked up on the sagged suspension, causing the notification of being overweight? I've mentioned this before, but I wish y'all would include axle weight ratings more, as opposed to relying solely on the mfg's tow rating capacities.

[@henryford2736]

My '18 F150 is 3900lb front and 3800 rear. Chevy is probably very similar.

[@geoffmooregm]

Chevy and Ram share axles in all of their pickup trucks. The supplier is AAM which is a joint venture. Not sure which size each make picks for their particular trim levels. Either way pretty much ALL Mid Size and 1500 trucks will be over GVW when towing at max tow rating. It is just a theoretical max tested with a driver and who knows how much fuel. If you have a 4 person family, dog, some stuff in the bed and a full tank of gas then you probably have 500lbs to 800lbs of room left for the tongue weight.

[@tommyr95]

@@geoffmooregm I know, which is precisely why I brought it up.

[@tommyr95]

@@henryford2736 Well, the tow rating of a ZR2 is quite lower. GVAR is dependent on more than just the axles.

[@rlhmarines]

@@geoffmooregm AAM (American Axle & Manufacturing) was GM's in-house corporate axle division before it was spun off decades ago and is not a joint venture with GM but just simply a trusted supplier.

[@NorAlb_Chainsaw_Carver]

If you want softer seats bring your security blanket, otherwise harden up

[@Crushin123]

I have NEVER had a good Ram - I've had 3. Resale is horrid and sure they look and sound good - that is where it ends - for me it did anyway. They are a 3 year truck - sell before warranty is out. I just ordered a ZR2, I drove the dealers truck a week or so ago(the owner has one) - - I have back injuries and totally expected the seats to be horrible - sure they were stiff, but also new. The soft GMC leather seats will crease and mar quickly (experience) and the Chev seats will still look good. HATE perforated holes in the seats too..always fill up with leather conditioner guk. I can't get past the front end of the GMC AT4x - they all look the same - at least the ZR2 LOOKS different - had the AT4 spiced it up a bit, I may have ordered one. Coming from a F250 Diesel (riddled with problems) - ALWAYS a "wearable item" and not covered under my extended warranty, has just plain pissed me off and ruined my feelings towards that brand for now. GM doing the subscription thing - is ridiculous and I wont be extending Google anything - I have a phone that works - so, no thanks. Fuel economy on the ZR2...mehhh.....well, my F250 sucking back 16.2L/km at $2.40 per LITRE has no bragging rights either. My only ZR2 fear is the fuel management system issues causing lifter failures - this will be my FIRST GM since 2001...I will never hear the end of it from friends/family if its a turd.

[@rogeliojr.paredes4465]

Get a Pulsar LT and turn of the DFM keep it on v8 mode all the time. You won’t regret it

[@Crushin123]

@@rogeliojr.paredes4465 Thanks my bro! I will look them up! Cheers from Toronto

[@scarharting5577]

@@rogeliojr.paredes4465 Huh?

[@mannygbb]

🤡

[@jtob5032]

Super charger helps with the elevation for sure

[@wbsa8941]

I have no problem with the seats

[@wint_62]

The ZR2 is great. Great looking, powerful, and does the job. Nathan hating on the seats is insane. A few less burgers and he would love them 😇

[@omardevonlittle3817]

Comparitively the Rams are just better

[@markhavelka4924]

If those seats are the same as a 2020 Silverado, I agree with Nathan.

[@ttrauto6150]

@@markhavelka4924 They aren’t. And the ZR2 has unique interior vs the rest of the 2022’s.

[@dor1tomcswagger69]

I like gm more than Ford but id buy a ford over GM just because of those concrete seats 😂 most uncomfortable seats out of the three brands

[@wint_62]

@@omardevonlittle3817 what are you even talking about? The Ram doesn’t have the ground clearance, that Hemi is slow and down in power and the ZR2 has lockers. The Ram doesn’t. You have no clue what you’re talking about. Keep it pushin, goof.

[@BetaRacer24]

1000% need a TFL talk with an SAE engineer going over SAR J2807 when it comes to towing capacity and everything involved in it

[@twicedemita2151]

In Australia zr2 is like 100k + and trx is 224k and there’s a huge gap price so eh ye

[@lightofforgiveness]

There is usually some info on hitch non WD vs WD weights. For example my 08 Suburban has 5,000 lb limit w/o WD vs 12,000 with WD 4.11 gears. Did that change with these newer trucks because of liability factors.

[@667Gurba]

American trailers and towing is just insane. The caravan is twice the weight of a European caravan of comparable size and you put an insane amount of weight on the hitch severely affecting the handling of the car. In Europe we have the trailer axles approximately at the center balance point thus putting about 75kg on the hitch so the hitch weight doesn't affect the handling of the car noticeably.

[@markcoopers1930]

Lol. Americans hate handling and moving the steering wheel on principle. To be fair, there's a lot more long straight roads, open space, and highways here than most other countries. Anyone who doesn't have to tow small to medium trailers to different job sites for work every day seems to take no stock in handling at all. But that's why you see so many SUVs, drag races are all anyone cares about, and trucks are bigger here than most other markets. Anyone can drive a tank if you just have to go straight ahead. You will see folks floor it down a straightaway in a twin turbo V6 high end SUV or a Pickup only to have to slam on the breaks and go 20 mph under the speed limit for a set of gentle S turns. Floor it again on the next straight, then slam on the brakes for a gentle curve in the road. Throw simple elevation changes into the mix, and you might see them pull over to the side of the road to let you pass. Meanwhile regular economy cars can make the same stretch without even thinking about brakes. It's really ridiculous. And the worst part: they don't feel incompetent, heck don't even see anything wrong in any way when they do this.

[@667Gurba]

@@Rocadagringa Too much weight will lead to very little grip on the front tires which is also dangerous.

[@terrysoule8441]

Pointing out that this is an Australian trailer sold in the US.

[@StarGateSG7]

Also add Canada into the USA driving distance mix. My usual weekend jaunt from Vancouver, BC, Canada to Kelowna which usually takes about 4 hours, if I did that in Europe I would have gone through four different COUNTRIES compared to me where I have barely traversed one third the distance to the next province (Alberta!) Driving in the USA and Canada is insane in terms of actual geographic distances! What we consider a "Small" weekend driving distance here is the European equivalent of driving from Hamburg, Germany to Naples, Italy! EVERYTHING is larger in North America: people, vehicles and driving distances! It's just the way it is here! My friend's winterized Keystone Montana fifth wheel camper trailer is 28,000 lbs (he changed the wheels and axles on the Montana to beefier ones!) and actually has to have a CDL (Commercial Driver's Licence) to drive it everywhere it's so big and heavy once he paired it with a Ford F450 Superduty Dually truck! I do must admit though, that the 4-season winterized version of the Montana is one of the most luxurious rolling apartments (flats!) that's for general retail sale. It's actually LARGER and much more luxurious than my current fixed-place apartment! When I retire, I am buying either a fully-winterized Montana or a New Horizon fifth wheel to travel everywhere in Canada and the USA! It will be a LOT CHEAPER than buying a condo! V

[@667Gurba]

@@Rocadagringa 15% of 2t which is a good sized caravan in Norway is 300kg. No European car is rated for that on the hitch.

[@francofranco3306]

i own a 21 TRX and i tow a 2003 Tundra from PA to SC on sport mode and it was better than on Tow Mode....I wasted more gas on Tow Mode than on Sport Mode.......

[@LeakyJoosbox]

Thats pretty normal. Tow haul isnt trying to save you fuel. Its goal is to tow as effectively as possible. It changes shift points and will hold gears longer to help you out

[@ALMX5DP]

If it was a singular trip, hard to compare being the conditions and roads are constantly changing.

[@LeakyJoosbox]

@@ALMX5DP conditions of course always play a factor

[@jensalan]

Tow/haul mode is supposed to change shift patterns to reduce wear and increase control when towing. This means it will hold higher rpms for longer. Higher rpms usually means lower mileage. Wear is most prominent with high heat and if a transmission is shifting more, that increases heat.

[@devonbuffington2718]

The supercharger makes the difference @ 11,000' elevation. The N/A truck is wheezing, and the S/C truck is getting force fed oxygen. That is why WWII aircraft started using superchargers. I would like to also know how changing the location of that hitch WRT the centerline of the axle changes the dynamics of the suspension, because that looks like a terrible idea. People that buy these trucks are gonna tow things like boats, SxS, ATVs, etc with them. They are taking them to the deer lease. They are taking them camping or elk hunting. On crappy roads or trails. Test that.

[@tuned200]

I’d like to see the Tremor vs ZR2 test.

[@wbball15]

How well balanced was the trailer?

[@davidbascombe4478]

Does the truck with the highest torque output generally get the best fuel mileage? A few years ago TFL Truck did an Ike Gauntlet with the F-350 (with 1050 ft /lb torque) vs the less powerful Chevy (or was it a GMC) Druamax with 910 ft/lb torque. The Ford was faster and more fuel efficient up the Ike. TFL Truck was also surprised at the results then also.

[@scarharting5577]

Definitely.

[@Hellenkeller777]

Love that ZR2

[@travisvandroff6589]

Yes

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Need to get the Power Wagon to tow the Black Series.

[@joecosta4200]

Is it me or did the Chevy look like it squatted more? I know he said 2inchs vs 3 inches on ram but seemed more noticeable on the eye.

[@rjmerritt6]

Let's see a test of the 2022 Chevy 1500 3.0 duramax with tow package.

[@ryanfaubert41]

A Chrysler being over built? I don’t know about that

[@juancarlosrosariowestern8261]

Does the 33 inch vs 35 inch tires affect the MPG by a lot?

[@philllsxga.7737]

Yes

[@TheAdventureKean]

2 mpg in my 3500 4x4 Cummins

[@andrewsbbq]

Yes. And you'll especially notice the size change on lower powered vehicles. More fuel use, heavier, slower.