We Messed Up, So We Re-Tested The Toyota Tundra Up The Ike Gauntlet: You Won’t Believe The Results!

[@amped79]

This style of Ike gauntlet showing the gauges and rpm etc in real time is far superior to the ike product you have been providing the past few years. This is more in line with your original Ike videos from years ago. Excellent work and thankyou

[@NWI_Steel]

Agreed! Love the throwback to the original Ike vids!

[@imkwuzn]

Kase is such a refreshing addition to the team. I know he’s been behind the camera for a while now but he’s so laid back and extremely knowledgeable, he’s a pleasure to have in front of the camera. Andre and Kase make a great duo.

[@FlatoutFord300]

Was thinking the same thing man, I personally think this duo is a great especially for a video like this where it’s not really fast paced or anything.

[@GHUMGHAMCANADA]

The opinion and knowledge coming from that young man is like from a grey haired man !! I amazed how could he make such an incredible input!!

[@willrector9716]

Kasey reminds me of the gopher from Winnie the pooh................. all that whistle lol

[@timx3680]

Kase kept on talking right through (and over) the acceleration segment and engine sound, which really annoyed me.

[@adams1696]

not to mention really cute D: !

[@pjmtts]

You should do a video on how You set the gain on a trailer that you never towed in the past. So many People just guess and go from seat of the pants feel of aggressiveness. Better to take the minute to do it right.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Team TFL, As a long time subscriber from north of the border, I want to thank you for the shout out to our All-Canadian Truck King channel. I will also commend you for the "Paid Promotion" icon in the corner which so many KZbin channels 'forget' to include . In regard to engine braking, I suspect that is another case where there is simply no replacement for displacement.

[@COMMANDER-ONE]

We really enjoy the Truck King channel here in the United States as well. As far as break application, it was the same displacement engine. The only difference wasTow haul plus versus “tow haul”.

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@COMMANDER-ONE Yes, I was comparing the displacement of the new 3.4 Turbo to the old 5.7 V8.

[@TheCarCrazyGuy]

Truck King (Steven) used to be on this channel.

[@brendanreary9142]

Thanks TFL for re-conducting the test to make sure the new Tundra was given a fair chance to use the Tow/Haul + feature.

[@ttww1590]

Any goodwill gained in retest got lost due to title given same results. Newfound love only for truck further soured my view.

[@semiauto3148]

@@ttww1590 title doesn’t say it was the same. It says you won’t believe the results

[@flaviusfake271]

No surprise you cannot really stop much with a CVT transmission honestly it is a chain and 2 moving wheels. How is that supposed to stop 16 tonnes from rolling down a hill. But the CVT transmission is more efficient for gas, torque and acceleration.

[@janfalcon2020]

@@flaviusfake271 sounds like its a poor match for towing.

[@brianbeans6387]

​@flaviusfake271 it doesn't have a cvt

[@erictownsend4236]

Have Case on here permanently!!! He is very knowledgeable, calm, and unbiased!!!!

[@WW-wf8tu]

"Kase" ;)

[@lho3337]

This young kid is very knowledgeable and calm. Great job both of you

[@cliffordmontana4562]

Agreed. Tommy is terrible and such a dork. Case is way better.

[@cliffordmontana4562]

@Rick lol

[@Water698]

@@cliffordmontana4562 and always trying to justify his keep purchase 🤣😂

[@yotasandkubotas3118]

I’m very happy with this result. Very quiet, low rpms, lots of power when needed, never went below the speed limit and was smooth and planted on the test. These are all things I look for in a towing rig. I think they did a great job, giving Toyota owners and other truck buyers a truck that will do what they ask of it on a regular basis.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

Look at that low oil pressure

[@ryanhessler8966]

Not having a trans temp guage is a huge miss for a modern truck with weights they are rated to tow. I want to be able to monitor it BEFORE it gets too hot instead of being told it is too hot.

[@repairvehicle]

204 is the real proof, no external cooler

[@MrJcjet]

Toyota says the upper limit is 300F. I think the idea is that you'll never be able to overheat it with loads under the 12k limit so you don't need the gauge. But I agree that they have a ton of real estate on the screens. There's no reason not to show trans temps so we can feel confident on the hills.

[@repairvehicle]

@@MrJcjet , do you have proof what you saying, 300F upper limit?

[@MrJcjet]

@@repairvehicle Toyota says 302*F is the temp where you're getting too hot for the fluid and need to back off and let it cool down. Flash point for the oil is higher than that. My guess is that damage from parts getting too hot is more concern than the oils.

[@repairvehicle]

@@MrJcjet where does Toyota says this? Look like you are spreading misinformation here. Toyota service manual doesn't even say this.

[@NWI_Steel]

This is exactly why TFL is the best on KZbin. Going through all the effort to give the viewers what they want and re-run the ike.

[@ttww1590]

Went from highlighting a few flaws in the last vid to good comments only. Did Toyota pressure them into a more positive spin?

[@davidstrachan734]

I would like to see some towing tests with Travel Trailers, as they present a much different profile and towing characteristics.

[@bryanhersman4037]

I agree, they are 100 times more common than people towing other pickups. Not those horse trailers they use either, just a standard 24 or so foot 8' wide 10' tall box on wheels with an a/c or two sitting up on the roof.

[@jshapiro34]

I have no clue why they don’t use horse trailer or travel trailer These bs flat decks that don’t have any wind drag are shit testing because a truck towing highwalled trailer is true testament to comfort and ride quality

[@jeffmockus5400]

Unless they have access to the same trailer all things would not be equal. Trailer length, weight, flat nose, v nose, aerodynamic cap. Then if their truck didn't outperform the viewer would want it retested. Tho not perfect, I think the car hauler with the same vehicle on it is close enough. Just like when they fuel mileage test, they may have a head wind, tail wind, cross wind or no wind. Unless they could get all vehicles tested in a convoy pulling identical trailers results will vary. The logistics of it would be crazy.

[@jshapiro34]

@@jeffmockus5400 it’s not crazy but a trailer with sides and roof use water totes like before Or buy a camper and each person cleans it out after use but that trailer is used for all stuff and do dual Ike’s or something they make money off viewers and then beg for content so more towing

[@Yoyomanmanholla]

@@jeffmockus5400 Just buy an old beat trailer and keep it around for repeated tests....

[@billybodacious2337]

Kase is moving up at TFL and it's easy to see why. The kid knows his stuff. Y'all keep up the great work!

[@craigroosa9321]

He has good on camera presents ,,,knows his stuff . Like to see more of him .

[@Inspector694]

Knows his camera Yes for-sure, but a car enthusiast? I don’t see it. Anyone can read a brochure.

[@Rottingboards]

I can't wait until you do 3.5 Ecoboost vs Tundra. mano a mano!

[@chrisblanton1087]

Oh I’m definitely waiting for that.

[@Rottingboards]

@@chrisblanton1087 I don't understand why they have not done this yet?

[@DannyFyffe]

In towing, this truck is impressive. I am surprised that it added 33% more brake actions downhill than the previous test. But having a normal conversation towing 8100 pounds up a mountain and the RPM's staying between 2500-3300 is pretty amazing. You are tempting me to get rid of my 21 Tacoma and get this.

[@joreldavis4069]

I'm already planning on getting rid of my 21 Tacoma. The ability and efficiency of the Tundra is very attractive. I'm planning on getting the Tundra Hybrid

[@DannyFyffe]

@@joreldavis4069 From what little I've heard, will the hybrid be worth the extra cost? I've heard some say it will get 20mpg and the highest I heard was 23mpg. So I wonder about that. I also wonder about the cost. I'm thinking it will start around 58K-60K and go up from there. What are your thoughts on that?

[@channelnamehere4065]

@@DannyFyffe Likely see a $70K truck after all said and done. Can't wait to see how well the hybrid does next year!

[@DannyFyffe]

@@channelnamehere4065 I could see it topped out at 68k Max but that would be too rich for my pocket if that's the case. We will see in around 3 months

[@vitaly6312]

I’ve thought about it as well. Also have a 21 tacoma. I like the truck but it’s a little tight, although I was getting 39mpg in Colorado on one portion of my drive (stop to stop). I was amazed but I always get better mileage in Colorado than I do in my flat state. A tundra would be great but man they are just so darn expensive!

[@ianperkins8812]

So, takeaway for me is regular tow/haul downhill, tow+ uphill. I guess the only remaining question for me is longevity vs the old V8. Apologies if these observations have already been made.

[@leekeenii1469]

I may have misunderstood them. I was under the impression that their first Ike Gauntlet video/test was regular tow/haul then after discovering the “tow+” they performed a new test all over again.

[@WhoThisGuy515]

I'd say more like any small trailer under 4k would be fine in tow haul and any trailer heavier than that should be in plus regardless of flat, down or up hill

[@repairvehicle]

Remember no replacement for displacement when it comes to longevity. Why semis don't 6.7 cummins but use 12 liter cummins, because you don't longevity with small engine with pushed to the same horse power as big engines

[@leekeenii1469]

@@WhoThisGuy515 I can agree with that, just pointing out that they should use the same trailer and similar shape load (if not enclosed). I learned real quick just how much more aerodynamics play than the weight. My Dodge dually got 6-7 mpg with a 13’6” tall (but very light) load and 10-11 mpg with short (but VERY heavy) loads.

[@mostormhunter]

I'd like to see a summer tow test when the temps are higher there when people actually tow there boats side by sides and atv's out there.

[@Expressionistix]

Or come tow out where I live in the summer - it’s only a climb up 3500ft buts over a longer duration in temperatures in excess of 110 degrees. I forgot to mention there’s a fairly large lake (reservoir) at the bottom that offers boating and other water sports so it’s a likely application to tow in this area.

[@glennnichols4220]

@@Expressionistix Absolutely. Toyota does incredoble things every 15 years or so. I 100% said this would be a truck that "Kept up" and never innovated....Toyota amd Lexus don't know how to anymore

[@stanislawgal5438]

Bryan don't worry this is Toyota

[@glennnichols4220]

@@stanislawgal5438 What's that mean?

[@billmalec]

When they tested the Ecodiesel it was in the cold weather. I guarantee in the summer it would have 'derated' due to temps getting too high. Had one. Could tow a camper near 70mph without temps going up on the flat nonetheless. It did pull well however. Vastly under sized radiator for it.

[@tommarshall4849]

I would like to see what happens if you set the cruise control going down the Ike. My 2021 frieghtliner with automatic transmission will will do everything it can to not go more than 5mph over cruise setting. It works great going downhill on dry roads.

[@07GTStallion]

Yep nail on the head with towing in the desert! I tow through the northern hills of AZ in the summer time. Lots of long steep grades, 100°+ temps, 45mph curves, traffic. Will bring many trucks to their knees.

[@cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849]

So which 1500 would you get?

[@07GTStallion]

@@cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849 F150 with the 3.5 eco boost. Hands down best half ton towing platform. That's what Toyota is trying to compete with it. I actually would recommend a heavy duty truck but if your gonna go half ton. That's the one I'd buy.

[@SSYoung125]

Question since every vehicle seems to be hitting the 8 Minute mark could you guys do a 50mph to 60mph test whe you do your super ike to benchmark passing performance? Just a thought

[@snowmobile74]

Thanks guys, this is the kind of test I've been waiting for ever since they announced the new tundra. Nothing really matters until the towing test!

[@paulmadkow9143]

I like this Kase kid. He does a great job. Part of TFL's future, or whatever he wants to do.

[@C10sRule]

Respectfully, as I’m not a grammar/spelling cop, but it’s spelled Kase. I learned the spelling from someone else myself. I am not trying to be rude at all, just trying to respect Kase. You are definitely right about Kase. He is learning very fast and getting much more relaxed in front of the camera. Stay safe out there, Eh!!

[@paulmadkow9143]

@@C10sRule fixed

[@percivalgooglyeyes6178]

I gotta say I was a little concerned Kase was going to start "manscaping" with the items that he hawks on the channel.

[@paulmadkow9143]

@@percivalgooglyeyes6178 that's exactly what I was thinking 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@FlyGuyKanai]

Great videos. A few questions/comments… Did Toyota change the integrated brake controller (IBC) from the previous Gen Tundra? I replaced the IBC with my old Tekonsha in my 2016 TRD DC because it did not function safely. I tow a 9000 lb travel trailer and always downshift manually when going down long descents. I believe this is what most of us do so I don’t think the automatic engine braking is super critical. A pet peeve with my 2016 is the display for remaining distance. It is not calculated based on the current (average) fuel consumption. In other words, the value does not get recalculated when you reset the average fuel consumption. Because of this, unless you tow all the time, you can’t rely on the gauge to estimate how far you can travel based on remaining fuel.

[@The_Opinion_of_Matt]

Maybe tow plus is more about preserving the engine/transmission when towing heavy. Thus less engine braking on the downhill and better fuel economy (less turbo boost?) when going uphill. Interesting.

[@kirkenstang]

Would have been interesting to run it back down the mountain in just tow haul mode to see if it went back to 6 applications. That way you could tell if it was the truck or an environmental difference.

[@billmalec]

Or keep running it until you get the results you really wanted but didn't 😉

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

If the wind is blowing down the hill you will always have more applications.

[@nuther06]

I was thinking you guys tried using cruise control on some of your Ike tests for the downhill portion. I can't remember which specific videos it took place in but I was wondering if there's a reason you haven't been doing that lately? If I recall correctly, it made a difference in the grade-shifting and I plan to try that method when towing with my new Tundra. Thanks TFL!

[@DirtE30]

I’m gonna guess the difference in downhill brake applications has more to do with winds. Headwind vs a tailwind etc.

[@kristoferbrown8007]

Good call out!

[@stifreak14]

Your concern regarding towing in hot environments is very valid. I saw 225/228 towing bit more weight in my 07 5.7 up the cajon pass to the 138, doing 60-65 also, except in 115F temps. So seeing 230 with HALF the ambient temp, is very concerning. Id be curious to see if that plate cooler can keep up in hotter weather. Fun fact; from around 150-228F (actual value) the trans gauge on my 07 didn't move! Thanks for the unbiased information! I look forward to warm weather testing.

[@ALMX5DP]

The fuel economy going uphill I think was the most impressive aspect on this and the previous 22 run. Wonder if Toyota's undersquare engine design played a part, versus the Ford Ecoboost's oversquare design which does seem to be more prevalent in sports cars and things that need to rev higher.

[@88yellowjacket]

The reason the GM 2.7l turbo makes sense. Undersquare long stroke torque engine.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@88yellowjacket agreed. Before I learned more about it i was a little apprehensive since they also put it in the Cadillac sedans, but looking into it more I think it'll turn out to be a good mill for most 1/2 ton users for sure.

[@bayonne]

Andre, you missed brake application #9. The speedo hit 61 mph but you didn’t use the brakes.

[@jdfleetguy28]

Great video guys, love this style of video. Love the detailed techy conversation only Kase and Andre can have. Great job guys. Andre you should put Kase in more of these.

[@billmalec]

It hit 61 right before the road flattened out again so it could (should) have been another brake application.

[@WHavriloRT]

I saw that too

[@billmalec]

@@WHavriloRT Andre didn't want to count it. He's enamored with that Toyauto. 😉

[@warrenstephens3705]

TFL is just slobbering over this Tundra, almost to the point of being totally ridiculous. It just feels like the Tundra doesn't perform as well as TFL/Toyota wants it to so they're just gonna keep doing it until they get the results they want. Enough already. smh

[@jacobstrutner8232]

Probably dragged those brakes around 60-61 to get one less brake before that too. Very biased towards the tundra.

[@denverbasshead]

My F250 runs at 235 transmission temp almost all the time. It's normal for newer trucks to have hotter temps in order to run more efficient

[@repairvehicle]

That's why your transmission fluid is cooked at 30k miles

[@denverbasshead]

@@repairvehicle yes and I'll be changing it around 30-40k miles

[@repairvehicle]

@@denverbasshead , you are a smart man to change fluid at this intervals, majority of people believe in nonsense, 150k miles fluid or lifetime fluid.

[@MrBuschschulte]

Have you guys ever tried using cruise control for towing tests? My 2020 1500 duramax will down shift and hold itself back better going down hill ONLY in cruise control. It’s wired but the truck performs better in cruise. I live near a hill in Az you use once a long time ago. Rye hill by Payson. Might want to play with it and see if you find the same thing as I’ve found

[@SIMPLEHECHO]

The oil pressure gauge was concerning as it was near the low mark. Wonder what effect that will have in the long term

[@jacobstrutner8232]

Yup very low and they don't give you real numbers on the guage to call them out for it.

[@jimmydean8007]

Am I seeing a Panoramic roof in that truck? 0:42 Did I miss an episode where they had it installed because it wasn't there when Andre/company bought it. What am I missing?

[@petevincent74]

They also have a tester from Toyota in almost the exact configuration as the one they bought.

[@jimmydean8007]

@@petevincent74 Thank You

[@Ram14250]

Oil pressure on the cluster while videoing would make me nervous.... it looks like it's reading sorta low on the gauge (@3000 rpm?)... shouldn't it be reading somewhere in the middle?

[@callofdutyguy9]

I think this engine has one of those fancy oil pumps. Can vary oil pressure for better fuel economy (sigh)

[@Ram14250]

@@callofdutyguy9 I agree, but they need to have the needle in the middle then as that would be considered "Normal" zone (to me).... Especially a new truck and new engine... I want to see oil pressure

[@TaigaTurf]

Great job with the detailed camera angles, info.. TFLTruck, the best truck channel no question

[@jasonw8124]

Most vehicles with automatic transmission have a "trans cooler" and in most cases it's an ATF circuit that goes through the radiator. When people ask if the new Tundra has a transmission cooler, they are referring to the previous external cooler, which is better for towing. A few years ago Toyota went back to the cheaper cooling circuit in the radiator

[@MadManMachines]

The new Tundra does not have an old school ATF circuit that pumps the atf fluid up through the radiator. What it has is a liquid cooled heat exchanger that is fed coolant from the cooling circuit. No ATF flows through a cooler embedded in the radiator like many old school designs used to.

[@jasonw8124]

@@MadManMachines seems about the same. Liquid to liquid exchanger either way.

[@MadManMachines]

@@jasonw8124 If you've ever taken apart the kind that flow through the radiator, it's essentially a finned tube inside the radiator, way less cooling capacity then a dedicated stand along heat exchanger they are using now. This actually isn't the first toyota they've used them on so it isn't an experiment for Toyota. The last thing we'll be hearing about is failed Aisin transmissions on Toyota trucks, and if i'm wrong, come back in a few years and give me a hard time.

[@jblyon2]

@@MadManMachines Aisin transmissions do many things. Failing isn't usually one of them. Though Toyota should quit stating the fluid is 'lifetime'. It needs to be changed at regular intervals just like every other fluid.

[@WhoThisGuy515]

@@jblyon2 Well remember that their "lifetime" according to engineers is about 100k miles. So they would really like you to buy a new trans from them every 100k as that's the life of the trans, not the vehicle it's self.

[@56clipper2]

Since I'm always scanning my gages when I'm towing especially, the thing I noticed most in the video is the where the oil pressure gauge is running when under load at 3000 rpms. I know the gage is not really representative of actual oil pressure but if I looked down and the gage was at the quarter mark it would make me concerned. In was higher going down hill.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

Noticed that. Damn near 0 under full load is not good even if that gauge goes to 200 psi.

[@ssmart5701]

I just purchased this truck, all the same except mine is black. I’m not in a mountainous area, but tow roughly 9300lbs. I did install a tranny cooler, nothing fancy ( B&M) I never see temps above195 degrees in the warmer days but I didn’t own it in the dead of summer. After retiring my first gen with over 500K I am a strong Toyota supporter. I maintain all my own vehicles, probably a bit excessive but I never had to replace the engine ,transmission , transfer, front/rear axles or gears. I expect this one to perform (already has) better in all aspects, now it’s down to see if I can get 20years and 500k miles out of a V6turbo engine with routine maintenance

[@jamesvaldez4093]

I think it'll go the distance. Just gonna have to be on top of maintenance and getting it done early.

[@LV4TD101]

Can we see how well this Tundra can tow its max (11,000 lbs.) up the Ike, since it seemed to do this weight pretty easily

[@paulhunter9613]

They won’t be able to tow 11,000 lbs with such a small payload. 1100 lb on the tongue and a driver is all it can handle. The rest of the guys will have to follow the rig in a Camry

[@MegaBlaaaah]

@@paulhunter9613 2300-1100 is 1200.. so unless they're all over 300 lbs , it'll be within rated load

[@michaelcrouch4248]

Great review! And I agree with the many other comments related to Kase being a nice addition to the TFL Team! He’s been doing an excellent job! Very knowledgeable, comfortable in front of the camera, and a great communicator of those things that your listeners are most interested in, like the rest of the team 👍

[@ttww1590]

Kase is awsome, this review was horrible. Same score, but talking up the truck more, then slapping we were wrong title. Feels slimy.

[@GlennPearsonDIY]

Transmission temps are harder to gauge these days, same with oil and coolant. Because manufacturers design them to run hotter to be more efficient. So what was ok 20 years ago is exceeded today and higher temps are ok now. This is partly due to the EPA's requirements for efficiency. Fluids are designed to run hotter and cooling systems overall are much better.

[@errickkitchin36]

That still kinda throws me off. If my coolant temp got above 200° in my 99 Accord something wasn't right, but my 19 Fusion is happy at 220°

[@repairvehicle]

High temperatures shorten life of equipment back then same thing today. Heat does not good, destroys fluid in less than 40k miles.

[@GlennPearsonDIY]

@@repairvehicle This isn't entirely accurate. Yes, heat still is the main cause for problems. But parts are designed better, modern synthetic fluids are way better at handling higher temps without breaking down compared to old conventional fluids. I haven't had a car overheat in years. When I grew up, I think all of our cars my family owned over heated at one point or another. I changed the thermostat out on my f250 so the coolant and oil both run around 180 degrees and only gets to about 200 when towing, which before it was easily in the 220-240 range. Hopefully this, combined with the better fluids today, will help it last a long time.

[@repairvehicle]

@@GlennPearsonDIY, clutch material and rubber seal still cannot tolerate heat past 220f without becoming hard and brittle. Why transmission fluid cannot last past 40k miles without being burned and wornout? It's because people believe nonsense. I have done fluid analysis and have not seen factory atf being good within factory specifications after 40k miles.

[@GlennPearsonDIY]

@@repairvehicle with my ecodiesel I did I sent all my fluids in for analysis. After 45k miles, many of which were heavy towing, my transmission fluid still had plenty of life in it according to the test. The clutch and rubber compounds wear out because the fluid can't provide proper lubricant. I'd also love to see your sources for the temps they break down at. As I know many of the materials used are much better at handling heat than they used to be. Which is the entire argument here.

[@alphamale6097]

Would love to know the lifespan of these turbos because they have to spool up pretty hard to get the power needed.

[@Steve-yr5vi]

They've been out for a while, engines last based on how well people take care of them, the turbos are no different. There are multiple video's out there of Ford's 3.5 TT with well over 200k miles on them a friend of mine has a 2013 with over 250k and he loves it so much he says if it ever goes out he'll happily replace the engine.

[@kenhaze5230]

"Taking care of" is complicated by the fact that they are utility vehicles. Towing heavy puts more stress on it then using it as a daily driver, period.

[@mmguhhuh]

One of the biggest things is letting the turbos cool down for a few minutes before you turn the truck off, especially after towing and highway driving

[@ALMX5DP]

@@mmguhhuh I think many modern turbo cars do continue to circulate oil through the turbos after you stop so that hot spots don’t develop. In the past turbo timers were common, but I think now everyone employs something similar based on temp.

[@mmguhhuh]

@@ALMX5DP personally I'm going to do it just out of habit, I've owned a few turbine cars already. I think you mean coolant, I know a lot of German cars have electric waterpumps that continue to run after you shut them off

[@ryanvegas777]

TFL is the best for a reason. Look at these camera angles! Look at these real world tests! Look at the awesome guys spending their time to bring this to us!!

[@specforged5651]

Spending their time to get paid you mean.

[@barrya.6212]

BUY AMERICAN ...BUY SUPERIOR AS WELL..... GM LS ENGINES...FORD 5.0.... ALL BULLET PROOF...AND NOT BETRAYING OUR COUNTRY !

[@ghostmofo5829]

@@barrya.6212 Everything Ford & GM offer just looks better now. Toyota and Nissan instantly look cheap.

[@johnkozr1579]

Toyota smokes GM and Ford products. Reliability and durability second to none. Tires, brakes, oil changes, you are guaranteed 350-400k miles. Friend of mine had his high pressure oil lines on his F150 turbo needing replacement at 60k. I have heard this is a common problem.

[@ghostmofo5829]

@@johnkozr1579 Tires better too. You sound brain washed bubba. Maybe you work there. Hilarious.

[@Bunkysworkshop]

Would the engine braking kick in more if the truck was in cruise control mode?

[@boomstickpd79]

I would almost guarantee that. My 19 Tacoma shifts down aggressively if it goes 2-3 mph over the cruise control setting. RPMs jump to 4500. It’s almost annoying but I understand it’s preventing excessive braking.

[@Bunkysworkshop]

@@boomstickpd79 That’s what I was thinking 🤔. Put it in cruise control and let the engine do its job.

[@kc510]

I’m interested as well. Most cars/trucks I’ve driven just uncouple the engine/torque converter if you coast down a hill. On cruise they’ll downshift to maintain.

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

This really has my attention. Looks like I'll be trading my 16 Titan XD Cummins for this, just not anytime soon. But once it gets up there in mileage ill definitely give this tundra a look. If Toyota would bring their 3.3 turbo diesel and put it in this I'd definitely snatch one up sooner than later.

[@MrNismopro]

Keep your XD Cummins and delete and tune it. That truck and engine is so capable, and the Aisin 6 speed is absolutely amazing. That engine is capable of larger engine power numbers. Ours is around 420 HP and 740 torque with 164k miles without any issues.

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

@MrNismopro I still have it. Its been fully tooned and d3l3ted since 2019. I still love it.

[@TheJoncic]

Crazy seeing that much weight being pulled at 2k to 2.5k rpm.

[@desertfresh3740]

That's what boost does for you. The smaller engine DOES limit you for engine braking which is a bummer but you just drive it like Andre is and you'll be safe. I've taken my PowerBoost F150 over Ike, myself and it did just fine.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

And little oil pressure. Look at that gauge

[@desertfresh3740]

@@jacobstrutner8232 Oof, yeah! Damn that's concerning.

[@paulhunter9613]

Yea those turbos will be history in a short time

[@caseyhill3915]

It looked like the oil pressure was really on the low side. May have just been the angle the camera had on the gauge.

[@Scott_From_Maine]

If it's like every gauge (besides fuel) in virtually every car in the last 20 years, it's an "idiot gauge." It always points to the exact same spot as long as the pressure is in the normal range.

[@Weatherby406]

Just were the gauge reads in the tundra. They all do it. It looks low but that’s the normal range.

[@n2cycles]

I'm a Toyota guy from way back. I still have a 98 Taco I purchased new. My complaint of Toyota really is about the ones made here in the USA for the past 20 years. They really have fell behind on technology and innovation with the truck line. I've got a 17 F150 platinum 3.5 ecoboost and this truck has virtually everything the new tundra has but 5 years ago. And before the fan boys jump on me, I still have 2 Toyotas and 2 Hondas in my household. The Ford isn't perfect but way ahead of the competition.

[@smrtguy77777]

That’s never been the debate, the Tundra has such a strong fan base because of its reliability, durability and longevity. That’s why people buy Tundras, not for the tech.

[@911sc1981]

@@smrtguy77777 So if you buy a Toyota it’s necessary for you to sacrifice advancements in technology for reliability? Why can’t Toyota do both? I’ve had both Toyota and Ford products and didn’t have issues with either apart from wishing the Toyota had kept up with the competition.

[@eliteinventor]

My family drives fords and Chevys and Dodge , I'm the only one that drives Toyota Tacoma I think it's a preference more than anything , I was all for the new tundra , but I need a V8 and since they don't offer that I'm looking at Ford or Chevy

[@glennnichols4220]

Absolutely 100% true. Ford TTV6 in a truck 2010 Toyota 2022 HAAA. However..... Toyota does do something right every 15 or 20 years. I have a 2012 ISF and will admit while not obviously built as well as the early to mid 90's Japanese cars.....this thing will absolutely take everything you throw at it. Over engineered and takes a licking and keeps on ticking. Like the LS motors. AND not many people realize the FORD COYOTE motor is a copy cat of the 2URGSE. Won't find that on Google. But in the defense of all manufacturers....nobody wan'ts to build a trouble free vehicle anymore. It's just bad business. Just like the cure for cancer. If you had one it would be bad business

[@SeahawkAz]

@Helicopter Dad! F series is the leader due to heavy fleet sales. Toyota like Nissan depend on car sales to make the company money. With Toyota trucks are not the priority

[@drsgopi]

Andre, your dedication to the channel and the art of making reviews is truly exceptional! thanks!

[@MadManMachines]

Do these have the Aisin transmissions in them, if so, everyone calm down, those are bulletproof, best transmissions hands down. So good, dodge had to switch to them in their turbo diesel. Also, the trans cooler is not an old school air to fluid cooler, it's plumbed into the cooling system, so it pretty much tracks the cooling system temp, so you won't see much of a difference, summer or winter, provided toyota adequately sized the cooling system.

[@channelnamehere4065]

Exactly. Why do people make big fuss about things that don't matter?

[@prestondeters5093]

Dodge had to switch to the Aisin because they don't know how to make a transmission that doesn't blow up after a little bit of work. The Aisin transmissions are good, but there are plenty of other good transmissions that could handle their diesel.

[@ericfrank814]

@@prestondeters5093 haha your right … but even guys with the Aisin aren’t happy they blow them too … maybe they should talk to ford or Chevy and pay for the patent to their 10 speeds … it’s funny because everyone knows the Cummins is the most reliable and cheapest to fix of the three if they just got their shit together and bought a good tranny they would have the best combo around

[@MadManMachines]

@@ericfrank814 The Aisin failures are rare. Even an anvil breaks once in a blue moon!

[@prestondeters5093]

@Eric Frank I agree the Cummins is top dog in the diesel world. Can't beat a big inline 6. I just wish they had more gears. It would benefit that engine greatly since it can't rev very high at all.

[@tigwelders-1076]

Why dont you guys ever lower gear? I have driven that road in a 3500 ram dually Cummins with a 4 car hauler and two vans up and down the Ike and you dont need brakes nearly as often if you downshift.

[@johnmullins8932]

I am curious of how the engine temperature did throughout testing? context: I recall a video of a Ford twin turbo ecoboost owner who reported that his engine got really, really hot from the twin turbos working hard under the hood. Curious how the Tundra setup is mitigating heat build up? ie. all my Toyota's have had temp gauges that once they reach operating temperature, the needle really doe not move wether it is 20 degrees or 100 degrees outside, or whether I am in stop and go traffic or climbing a mountain pass. Wondering if the new Tundra still functions in this manner?

[@mmguhhuh]

Toyota solved that with the masssssivvve grill 😂 A lot more airflow to keep that engine bay cool. I suspect the grill shutters open and close depending on coolant temps

[@repairvehicle]

Ford uses useless electric fans, Tundra uses real mechanical belt driven fan.

[@ryanbrown918]

@@repairvehicle The viscous fan is generating constant air flow throughout the engine bay, so you're right, that certainly helps mitigate heat soak. I believe the Turbo's cooling circuit is a much improved system over the EcoBoost as well.

[@paulhunter9613]

Belt driven fans break belts. And robs power from the engine also. Looks like they did use some of that old antiquated designs after all

[@repairvehicle]

@@paulhunter9613, Robs power or overheating like f150 ecoboost

[@WhirlybirdFlyer]

18:30 The electronic gauge cluster on the 1794 trim and above do have a built in transmission temperature gauge.

[@C10sRule]

I have not driven the new Tundra yet. My cousin has one ordered so I will get to mess around with one then. At this point I drive F150s for my full size trucks. The Tundra is so nice how it tows uphill at such a relaxed pace. As far as the downhill. I don’t just let the tow/haul setting work in a truck like this. I manually downshift for myself. It’s much easier to maintain your speed. TFL don’t have that option as it can be done differently by every driver so I respect that they tow with the truck as the truck is shipped. Downhill, unless it the Ram 6.7 Cummins, needs a bit of physical and mental driver input. It’s not the time to do anything but drive!! Especially on such a busy and long hill. I doubted that 61 db was the lowest sound level in the previous video, thinking another truck was tied, but was incorrect!!! The low 60s are impressive. Even the low 70s are just fine really. It’s an interesting stat, but it would not affect me in buying a truck except maybe the TRX or the 6.4 Wrangler!!! Hahaha. I outgrew louder droning exhausts a long time ago. I still have some custom vehicles as well as stock vehicles (1967 Chevelle SS 396 4 speed) that are louder to simply too loud, but they are that way for a reason/style for the builds. I do have a 1981 Vette that’s very quiet!! The interior was refinished with dynamat added everywhere possible, new carpet, everything basically and all new seals around the doors/windows. It was surprising how quiet it is with stock exhaust,,,,,,,. Great highway car now. Anyways. If it weren’t for the ridiculous front end design, I may consider a new Tundra in the future. I don’t have towing needs above 7,000 lbs anymore so my F150 will be more than enough. AND it’s the measly 5.0!!

[@johnbouldin9033]

Thank you for sharing the 35-60 time and the transmission temperature. Due to Kase being in the episode, I kept cringing - expecting a Manscaping commercial to start.

[@danadams1661]

Toyota engineers-“ok, we got a brand new truck, what should we do?” - I know! Let’s design a gauge cluster from 1994

[@joshtavenner3073]

I mean no worse than the other analog gauges available in other trucks. There is the fully digital version in some trims.

[@jangofett8210]

If a dated gauge cluster is all I have to deal with then sign me up.

[@HDA_III]

I call that a feature.

[@lho3337]

They have nicer gauge cluster. Pay more get more the American way.

[@FuvNtsimKhaab]

What's broken?

[@Darkhorse393]

Do you guys understand that all auto transmissions are mainly cooled by the radiator. The auxiliary cooler is for more extreme use. So if the manufacturer adds additional cooling through the radiator it would lessen the need for the auxiliary cooler that you would normally see infront of the rad.

[@markreams3192]

Wind direction, wind speed, temperature will effect how fast you descend that hill. The warmer the air the less the air resistance. The first attempt may have been done with a headwind, the second with a tailwind. The tow haul plus mode may have nothing to do with the extra brake applications. Environmental conditions have a lot to do with how vehicles perform. A V6 gas engine has only so much braking power!

[@fifthcircle1]

Hill? Have you driven there? It's a bit more than a hill. LOL!

[@markreams3192]

@@fifthcircle1 at least 20 times.

[@dalmerjd]

One thing I noticed, which I don't like, is oil pressure. Looks like oil pressure is quite a bit lower on the uphill climb. If not mistaken, about a quarter stick lower at similar RPM. I would like to see engine oil temps. I bet they are high.

[@FuJiNF]

I wouldn't rely on a stick, need to see actual psi numbers. The truck didn't overheat like some others ...

[@Steve-yr5vi]

@@FuJiNF and it wasn't towing near as much weight, on the same climb or in near the heat as "some others".

[@FuJiNF]

@@Steve-yr5vi the bow tie truck overheated the tranny going slow @7000lbs. Come on! Can't even handle? America's best selling truck in the Powerboost configuration overheated BOTH engine/ tranny. Best towing in its class they say, gonna be found on the road dead with that 9000lbs with it. Don't try and play the numbers game when your sh!t can't even hold it down in the real world.

[@jedihair]

Are you setting the cruise control to 50 mph so the truck knows the desired speed to hold? Or is there another way the truck knows the speed you want to hold?

[@jacobmoses3712]

No cruise control used. The brakes are applied at 60 mph and it's slowed to 50. When the speed rises to 60 the brakes are applied again

[@jedihair]

@@jacobmoses3712 I watched the video, I know. I'm suggesting that cruise control be used to see if tow/haul mode will hold that set speed by downshifting. You picked an arbitrary speed at 50 mph and there's no way for the truck computer to know that you want to hold it there without setting the cruise control.

[@MegaSlipknotmaggot10]

The semi truck analogy works for older trucks but I've heard from many truckers that with new Semi's they're far more powerful and better geared for climbing so often they can go up the hill faster than they can decend. Food for thought?

[@ryanvegas777]

You need to have your camera guy on more often. Cool dude!

[@landscapingspecialist]

He makes a great point about ambient temperature in relation to the transmission temps. I like this guy

[@themorrishouse6044]

Thanks guys for all the videos. I have had 3 different tundras. I like my 12 rock warrior crew max best. I have a 17 pro crew max now. I have a 1794 with a 6.5 box ordered. I have 1 big issue with the new tundra and that's the lack of front tow hooks. WTF! I use mine allot to work on the farm or job. Did Mike the head engineer from toyota say they would be an accessory? At least they could have offered them on the off road packages and the pro. Very disappointing. Please express our disappointment to toyota. I will have to turn to the aftermarket I think.

[@4EverrBroke]

Wow you guys are awesome! You listened to the Fans requests and made a whole new video.

[@djb1634]

I will say it again I want to see the hybrid regenerative braking take this on. That system loves being on a constant load like that. The only limit I see at that point for the reg em braking is of the battery is full. Can’t wait I know you guys are gonna do a hybrid when you can.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

Over great that battery under your back seat and vent into the cab making AC run and cause more heat...

[@djb1634]

@@jacobstrutner8232 I live in Houston a very hot and very humid city. And have yet to see that complaint on the Prius which also has the battery in the cabin using the cabin a/c to cool it. The engineers size the a/c system based on the requirements of the cabin. So if they foresee extra heat being added by the battery pack they would just increase the a/c capacity. Bigger houses get bigger a/c systems so why wouldn’t a car? Most of the heat in the hybrid system isn’t generated in the battery it’s in the inverter which has its own separate cooling system. If you look under the hood of a Prius you will see two coolant reservoirs one for the engine and the other for the inverter.

[@jessewalter8738]

Basically sound level dBA doubles with every 3 dBA. Using an Octave Band Sound level (ap for iPhone) would help isolate the low vs. high frequency sound. tire noise vs. exhaust noise.

[@AddingLifeAdventure]

You guys are still the Best! Always striving for perfection. Thanks for the video.

[@creigmacc]

Perfection would have been closer if they counted the ninth brake applications that Andre decided to ignore. That would have lowered the overall test score though.

[@DezertBeagle]

Air density might play a factor in the downhill section. If you previously tested on a very cold day, the air would be more dense and help slow the truck down. IDK if it would actually make a noticeable difference or not though...

[@scottcoleman2876]

Good review guys👍I can't get over how many hoops you have to jump through to change any settings on the truck🤔

[@wileecoyote5749]

Every time you push a button Toyota gets notified and you have to pay subscription fee

[@ttww1590]

Odd they didn't knock it for that. This re-do seemed a lot more like paid advertising than the original.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

@@wileecoyote5749 laugh but Toyota has a keyless subscription for the tundra.

[@derekbarnhart585]

I feel like sitting the cruise control for the downhill test would be interesting, to see if the truck keeps you closer to desired speed.

[@rzicc]

yeah, thats not how it works...

[@derekbarnhart585]

@@rzicc how it works in my semi so I'm sure they could use the same tech in a smaller truck🤔

[@MrJcjet]

@@derekbarnhart585 I've never driven a heavy truck with an auto, but on my 3/4 tons - they work the same way. It's holds whatever speed the cruise is set at. But it will also apply the brakes, so I don't know how what would factor into the testing because you wouldn't necessarily know it was applying the brakes.

[@derekbarnhart585]

@@MrJcjet in the semi atleast the ones I've driven, it won't use the brakes it'll keep downshifting to try and hold the speed. I just feel it's not fair to judge a trucks downhill holding ability when it doesn't know what speed it's supposed to hold.

[@Rod-vj6dd]

9 brake applications from what I saw. U didn't do the last brake when it got to 61. Don't know why u didn't show a digital speedometer when u were climbing to. But it was OK I guess

[@yoster77]

I wish you guys wouldn't do super ike on such cold days. For us in high temp conditions, it doesn't test it hard enough for us. I'd like to see these tests in 90+ weather. But I get that timing and availability of the trucks doesn't always allow for that.

[@creigmacc]

There should have been 9 brake applications. Andre just didn't catch that last one. 😂

[@stephendodson8302]

Could you do a refresher of you baselines or goals for this run? Such as your determination of when to hit the brakes or not? What is a good time? How many times is too many for hitting breaks? How long is the Ike Run? What truck has set the best benchmark? It seems a lot of data is shared and discussed, but with no context. Thanks.

[@WW-wf8tu]

Andre, your MPG got better because you had Kase as your travel companion this time. :)

[@WideAwakeHuman]

It's about time Toyota has finally caught up in terms of tech in the cabin... My 2013 land cruiser has a screen that looks like it's off a 30 yrs old.game boy while my 2013 F150 was light years ahead

[@alanbildzukewicz7336]

My 2021 Landcruiser has a 38yr old Gameboy screen and I wouldn't trade it for 3x Ford's.

[@WideAwakeHuman]

@@alanbildzukewicz7336 lmao... Well the F150 was sold a long time ago. Still have the Cruiser and have no plans to get rid of it so we agree. Still would be nice if the resolution of the backup camera looked like something in this decade tho lol

[@alanbildzukewicz7336]

Totally agree. Most see these 200s and can't imagine why they cost so much. Everyone assumes high tech stuff for the price etc. The bones are the value in these. And if you think that one's bad, try the 2002...mine has the factory nav that looks like it should have come with an Atari joystick.

[@WideAwakeHuman]

@@alanbildzukewicz7336 yeah I know the LC engines are made in Japan and from what I've heard they have a whole QC that goes into them unlike the ones built in the US... Like they MRI the engine cast to make sure there are no internal stress cracks or anything to ensure longevity, along with beefier frame and suspension components. Takes a lot to design a vehicle to last 20 years in 3rd world countries lol

[@joreldavis4069]

MPG Tow loop next. I would love to see what it gets towing normally

[@DRII-yv1yt]

You all should allow for each truck to tow with whatever tow mode is optimal from each manufacturer. Sticking to TFL's old school protocol obviously benefits v8s.

[@hunterdan2002]

What more would you like them to do? They tested both tow modes.

[@hotshtsr20]

231* trans temps on a 40-something degree day doesn’t bode well for Southwestern towing…

[@zelenizub2036]

Semi truck with 80k on deck in July runs 200*.

[@fritty9927]

Transmissions are built with higher temps in mind. Not high for design.

[@mesanders1113]

I 100% agree 231* on a 40* day would definitely equal close to 300* on a 100* day. Don't know the full facts on this Toyota engine but I bet the turbos would overheat and send the engine into limp mode during the summer as well just like the Ford ecoboost does

[@MadManMachines]

It's not an air to oil tranny cooler though, it's an antifreeze to oil cooler (meaning, it's plumed into the radiator cooling system). Those types don't rise as much and pretty much track your coolant temp which is thermostatically controlled, so it won't change much, summer or winter provided toyota adequately sized the oil cooler and radiator.

[@hotshtsr20]

@@MadManMachines there was a 40* ish delta on coolant to trans temps once things started really rolling. Add in less cooling from air blowing on the trans, hotter coolant temps, heat soak, etc. I’d be concerned.

[@zerog2000]

Seems like truck knows it was connected to a certain trailer, and previously in a tow/haul mode, then why wouldn’t it recognize on next start that it is still connected to same trailer, and restore the previous tow/haul mode? Wonder if there is some hidden setting to persist this?

[@andyharman3022]

I love it when they test turbocharged engines on the Ike. Naturally aspirated engines just can't keep up. TURBOS RULE!

[@hawkijustin]

Turbos and superchargers will always outperform NA at high altitude.

[@HeavyChevyMega]

Wish you would have showed us the hookup from trailer to Tundras hitch, cause it doesn't look like your rear end of Tundra is squatting. How did you get it leveled?

[@chadhertz4092]

I wonder I the engine breaking performance is dampened by lower compression ratio in small displacement turbo charged applications? Curious how it's engine braking compares to the Eco-boost?

[@The_Opinion_of_Matt]

Turbo charged engine don't really have lower compression ratios anymore. This was true in the 90's and prior when a lot of companies tried to cheap out and not include an intercooler. Also electronic control of engine fueling, direct injection, and precise spark timing control have all contributed to turbo engines with compression ratios of 10 or even higher. Granted I've seen one naturally aspirated car with a compression ratio of like 13:1. On the flip side, the compression ratio on diesel engines has dropped from 20:1 to 16.5:1. This has been done to drop EGTs which helps with emissions.

[@jimmyaber5920]

@@The_Opinion_of_Matt direct injection, not intercooler, is the reason compression ratios are much higher in gasoline turbos these days. Intercooler capacity increases allowed CR to creep up but DI was a big jump. Higher in NA with DI also. If fuel is not in chamber at critical times it can't detonate or pre-ignite.

[@jghall00]

There's also two fewer cylinders. That's a lot of mass reduction from reciprocating components. Like 25% decrease.

[@The_Opinion_of_Matt]

@@jimmyaber5920 All good points.

[@haskinhardman4445]

Maybe I missed it in an early video years ago, but what's the control for how hard you brake? Obviously gently riding the brakes for half a mile to get you back down to 50 mph and slamming on the brakes to quickly slow you down would affect how many brake applications you get by the end.

[@tomfrengillo]

Ok a naive question, but for those rigs without these additional tow modes, doesn’t putting your vehicle in cruise control at a select speed going downhill accomplish the same thing, “engine braking?” Pros and cons on this approach? I drive the Ike often and use cruise control after the tunnel, and it seems to work.

[@robertcopeland5480]

The Rams I drive will drop down gears also with the cruise on. Works decent with the rv on.

[@brianmabin5947]

Okay, to be honest, yesterday I told my wife, Nathan comes off as a bit stodgy sometimes in videos, so it was fun and funny to see the paid promotion with Nathan, good on you brother hairless, be bold, embrace your fleeing follicles for the freedom of the open plains clean shaven look, gives the brain more room to grow! Lol

[@toobalicious]

Hey TFL - can you guys please re-verify your fuel tank size on your Tundra? On another video, you claimed that it was 26.2 gallons (or thereabouts), but on the Toyota website, the specs for the 2022 4x4 Limited 5.5’ Crew Max Tundra shows 32.2 gallons (under the weights and capacities section). This is a Big Deal for me, so thanks in advance for checking!

[@vitaly6312]

From what I’ve heard and read is that they reduced it from 38 to 32 from previous generation to current generation. I’ve not heard of anything in the 20s.

[@toobalicious]

@@vitaly6312 Andre said it in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJecaYSQgK5njdU “Here’s What It’s Like To Road Trip The Brand New Toyota Tundra!” at about the 31:35 mark.

[@dkh100]

what did the 2019+ titan xd score on the ike y'all didn't score it in the last video and if you were to pick one of these two trucks which one would it be

[@natematheny8710]

I think because the milage is so low on that tundra that you have gained efficiency by breaking in the engine more since the last test.

[@andyd5492]

I thought the sound meter was usually held higher in the cab when doing the sound level test.

[@tritchie6272]

I think Nathan held it higher than that in the last video,and it was just as low maybe lower if memory serves. I remember Nathan being shocked at how quite it was. As if he wasn't sure what to think.

[@iFlatWater]

Having Kase in the video will be a good case!

[@beowulfgrendel24]

The GMC diesel exhaust break works better than what you guys should. If you brake and maintain a speed for a few seconds it will set to that speed. If just braking to 50 without breaking for a few seconds to maintain the speed it will increase as shown on TFL. Went through the Rockies with a 16k 5th wheel and that is how it worked out for me

[@fredtotal33]

Toyota will change many things after customer/KZbin testers show it’s deficiencies. If you have a choice.....Never buy 1st year new models.....These car companies should heed TFL's results.....great work TFL

[@TheTopGun920]

The last Tundra was unchanged for nearly 20 years lol

[@channelnamehere4065]

@@TheTopGun920 They tend to measure twice, build once (that's why it took so long). I'm sure little things will come up when this new powertrain is put to service in the coming years but expect all very little issues... That'll be the best time to get a new one is next refresh. You'll probably still get same powertrain LOL

[@johnmoore1495]

In your other test where you got less brake applications it seemed like your RPM was 500 or so higher, like it was downshifting one more gear.

[@slowsleeper550]

Another reason for the more brake applications with the V6TT engines are that they most likely are pulling less vacuum than their naturally aspirated counterparts. That may be contributing to the added brake applications.

[@Chad-wb7du]

the raw and unedited version is SO MUCH BETTER. Please only release that one going forward...

[@l042987]

We love kase we wanna see more of him.

[@borysnijinski331]

Testing should be done at max tow rating. If everyone is doing 65/70, tow at that speed to make truck work harder.