New Ram 1500 Hurricane vs. Ford F-150 EcoBoost: The Results Are WAY Closer Than You Might Think!

[@VortexArcade]

I think the Hurricane is going to be a great engine, but I wouldn't touch it for 3 years!

[@benwea76]

Lucky for you, it's already been out for 3 years in the wagoneer.

[@843MudMafia.]

That true​@@benwea76

[@shettlock]

If Toyota needs 4 years to get turbo shit right, how long do you think Stellantis needs? 😂😂

[@Bryce7O3]

@@benwea76is it similar tho cause the rams are supposed to have higher output versions?

[@VortexArcade]

@@benwea76 Didn't they sell like 40 of those? 🥴 There was a similar issue with the Pentastar in the Wrangler. The 2012 and early 2013 Wranglers had bad cylinder heads despite the engine being in Grand Cherokee for a couple years.

[@deionhughes6867]

I hope the 3.0L hurricane engine ends up being reliable, but I simply do not like the fact that there is no oil dipstick.. that’s too much of a European design and doesn’t have a place in truck world.

[@blue03r6]

I agree. But this was going to happen with stellantis. Turning the ram into euro trash

[@spetsru2906]

@@blue03r6 Lol

[@tylerwidmer7088]

Unfortunately most car companies are going to this and I hate it

[@petersdraggon]

I like to be able to pull the dipstick and look at the oil condition. I didn't like it years ago when Ford did away with the transmission dipstick.

[@m-c-m-]

The aftermarket will step up

[@user-fq3uh7bt1t]

The real test here is which one goes 0-60 recalls first

[@Steve-yr5vi]

recalls are part of the government corruption system, nothing more.

[@ubeuonly]

FORD WINS EVERY TIME. TWICE AS MANY IN2023

[@fireant1272]

We all know ford will have the most recalls 😂

[@lordcommander3224]

Stellantis simply will refuse to announce any recalls. ;-)

[@sgillen12]

@@lordcommander3224this is what people don’t wanna say out loud

[@mrconductor144]

The No dipstick in the 3.0 hurricane is what kills it for me. Edit: No you can't add a aftermarket one, yes I like checking my oil regularly, no I don't trust the oil level sensor trucks are getting to dam expensive, ya transmissions don't have one put you don't burn transmission fluid, go underneath your vehicle regularly to check things.

[@jacobearhart4170]

Welcome to Italian made junk

[@4DPastures]

The dipstick can be found at headquarters

[@4DPastures]

The dipstick can be found at headquarters

[@reloadrefine]

No need to check the oil. 🤭😂🤣🤪🌈Lib Truck

[@chockeypucks24]

BMW hasn’t had a dipstick for years. You just get the engine to operating temperature, tap vehicle status on the idrive screen, and then tap where it says check engine oil level and it takes about a minute to check. I’d imagine the ram is the exact same. Not to mention dipstick or not, modern vehicles will just tell you if the engine oil level is low.

[@thomasvanderhoff768]

I’ve got the 2015 f150 with the 3.5 eco boost 190 thousand miles 4000 mile oil changes and the only problem I’ve had was the throttle body ,a new one was 180 dollars. Runs as good as the day I bought it. Love the truck.

[@Powerstroke98]

I have a '16 F150 with the Ecoboost as well, albeit at 138K and only one throttle body so far as well. Love the truck, as on a recent long trip, with mountain grades, I still had just over 23 mpg. Amazing to me, for a pickup truck!

[@AmericanSurvival001]

I hate to tell you this, my friend. You'll only get another 50,000 miles out of that engine, and you'll spend somewhere under ten $grand to go further

[@howardriggins4010]

I believe your 4,000 mile oil changes is the key.

[@rocco.mbb.zoccoli]

I just got an estimate for VCT replacement on my 3.5 for $4500… dealer oil changes at proper intervals.. never towed with.. love the truck (just made the last payment.. kinda a gut punch

[@KC-zr1rd]

I had a 2018 3.5l xlt and eveytime I towed with it the turbos would get water build up and throw codes. Start it up and it would be clear again so traded it for 2020 7.3l F350. But have had three 3.5l engines with in different engines that have been great so who knows🤷‍♂️

[@lp6wo]

Nice to see analog gauges in the Ram. I might be the minority but I’m sick of everything being a screen.

[@stgibson2810]

I’m with you 100%. I just bought a new motorcycle with a digital tach. I love the bike but man do I miss my old bike’s analog tach. Nothing like watching it bang the rev limiter then seeing the shift light.

[@evictioncarpentry2628]

You're not alone. Can't stand screens and buttons on screens. I want real buttons to push.

[@hynsum]

110 % agreed 👍👍

[@M4sterT3ch]

Yup, one of the many reasons I'll keep on driving my GMT800 Silverado and Suburban.

[@ottovonbismarck7094]

They’re really not analogue, its all electronic with a little stepper motor. I do think the stepper motor is better than a full screen tho

[@shockracer]

No oil dipstick on an engine is bothersome. We'll see how it holds up over the next couple of years.

[@darkdodger137]

How often is the average driver lifting their hood and reaching for a dipstick? Yes there are a few people that would do it, but those few are the exception.

[@shay1116]

@@darkdodger137 I'd venture to guess truck owners are much more likely than the average driver.

[@0HOON0]

Dipsticks are outdated but they should always be present as a backup.

[@Javelinjoe73]

Yeah, just wait till the oil level sensors go bad. $$

[@PantyDropper69]

​@0HOON0 that's an absolutely insane take.

[@ottovonbismarck7094]

As a general rule for all makes, never buy the first year of a refresh, redesign, or new engine option

[@SMoon453]

refreshes are typically fine since most things will be carry over, but redesigns and new engine options are a gamble for the first model year

[@ottovonbismarck7094]

@@SMoon453 the I6 on the Ram has been in the Wagoneer since 2022 but id like to see it in its truck application for a bit first before I consider it

[@tylerworkmantw]

Haha. 3 years for me. Or the last year before a refresh.

[@joefriday6324]

3 years is much safer....implementing true fixes of major problems is never resolved in a single year. Troubleshooting, Development, remanufacture, etc takes time...and many problems don't appear in the first year.

[@swyzzlestyx]

I purchased a 2015 F-150 King Ranch (5-liter engine), and my brother bought a 2014 F-150 Platinum (3.5-liter EcoBoost). Both of us have had a good time with our trucks. His truck seems more powerful, but mine gets better fuel mileage, which seems counterintuitive. Both trucks are still going strong.

[@SPLATT1911]

The larger engine isn't working as hard to move the truck. My wife's old 3.6l V-6 Camaro only got 2mpg better than my son's 6.2l V-8.

[@swyzzlestyx]

@@SPLATT1911, Which kind of calls the entire cafe standard the United States uses to persuade American Auto Manufacturers into using smaller engines and larger vehicles to justify their numbers into question.

[@Someonehad2sayit]

@@swyzzlestyxAll manufacturers going to smaller engines is because of emissions standards.. has absolutely nothing to do with fuel economy.

[@michaelcowan9613]

Just drove my 2021 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel over White Pass, Blewett Pass twice, and back over Snoqualmie Pass - 790 miles including some city driving. 29.0 mpg. My zero to sixty probably sucks, but I'm happy with the efficiency.

[@AmericanSurvival001]

Ohh yeah. My brother has a limited., and I'm jealous. He now. has 120,000 miles on it. Has had zero problems. and fills his tank up once every two weeks. His average mile per gallon never drops below 26

[@BoggyCreekFilms]

@@AmericanSurvival001 we have an ecodiesel as well. The efficiency looks good on paper, but then you have to factor in the higher cost of diesel, the dual fuel filters that need to be changed every second oil change, and the oil changes that cost 2x what a gas engine oil change costs, and lets not forget DEF fluid and the higher cost of the vehicle to begin with.... I really don't think there are any savings to be had with an ecodiesel.

[@janemin3128]

Diesel is $1 more than gasoline

[@WilliamStewart1]

@@BoggyCreekFilms An EcoDiesel gets around 35% better fuel economy on average. That's pretty substantial over the life of the truck. Here in Canada diesel and gasoline have pretty much been the same price off and on.

[@armoto1253]

@@michaelcowan9613 my eco diesel gets 33mpg, 33 gallon tank I’ve put 21k miles on it on 6 months.

[@grizz474]

I have a 2019 3.5 ecoboost max tow. I get 19 around town and 21/22ish driving from Mn to Florida every year. I'm pretty happy with those numbers. It has the 36 gallon tank and the truck says I have 700 mile range on a fill up when road tripping, that's what what the truck says anyway. 😎

[@Steve-yr5vi]

I have an F150 with the same setup, even a 2019, I've got to say while I love a lot about that truck, what I find I love most is the 700+ miles range. I plan on keeping this a a long time, however if I get anything else it's gonna be able to better 600 miles on a tank or it's a non-starter.

[@ycleveland7084]

I too have 2019 3.5 ecoboost, but no max tow. Regularly get 22mpg hwy w/o using eco mode. Drive Cle. OH to Augusta GA every year.

[@KIDRR]

The truck calculates it on 32 gallons so you actually have another 4 gallons after it shows zero mile range

[@josephina24]

'21 5.0 V8 in my F150, 36 gal tank get 650-700 miles on a full tank depending on the season lol

[@xr7coug]

Same here but a 22. I know my tow mirrors reduce MPG because I've tested with them folded. Happy with the mileage and the power is awesome.

[@cheftomsd]

I love the smoothness of an inline 6. Last one I had was in the 80's with the Ford 300.

[@BIGGIEDEVIL]

Can't compare engine from 40 years ago to today's there not even close in comparison

[@Oldguy1313]

@@BIGGIEDEVIL 100% can compare. LOL what are you on?

[@quintonulm2435]

I had one in a bmw 5 series and it was smooth as glass

[@SupramanTRD]

Inline 6's of the 60' to 80's had an iron block, iron head, overhead valve, and a small timing chain. That's why they lasted forever. They have nothing in common with the new garbage.

[@darrylfurlong3181]

I drove my 1995 F150 300-6 for 21yrs gave it to my brother and he drives it to this day29 yrs old

[@DanielJaegerFilms]

420 / 469 🤔 tell me that wasn’t intentional 🤣

[@Cloud30000]

RAM knows their customers, at least the ones that are alright dropping the V8

[@brentmacklem1872]

Good catch. 😂

[@ianberry5562]

Those are God’s power numbers right there

[@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel]

Give the ford tears something to cope with😹

[@Captain-Awesome]

@@ianberry5562God has no power numbers, that would imply a limit to God’s powers.

[@markkimball1569]

If you don’t have a way to heck oil and service. . I don’t want it. .. keep the fluids ok and you’re good.

[@andrewgodfrey579]

we have took a gamble when the 2.7 ecoboost came out and had just bought a 28ft long enclosed race trailer with 2ft v nose and extended tounge. We hooked it up with my 03 cobra full curb weight and tools and 4 wheeler. We have had 3 since then and love them.

[@dochollywood1921]

FINALLY someone brought up the dog water capless systems not venting properly. What the hell was wrong with a capped system that just worked?

[@mitchstein288]

My guess? Too many check engine lights (which have a significant impact on costumer satisfaction) for such a silly thing as leaving the gas cap off. It's a trip to the dealer that hurts the overall customer satisfaction.

[@Big.Ron1]

​​@@mitchstein288they get to save a couple bucks on each truck, and they get you in for fuel system cleaning to get the dirt out when everything gets worn. Jeez. I'll keep my 4.0 cherokee. 180k and always smooth and reliable. Be safe.

[@darryladams519]

To many lazy starbucks people. They can't install the cap correctly or to lazy to turn the engine off to refuel.

[@thegmansanchez2763]

@@darryladams519 That is absolutely correct!!!! Dumshizz Coffee drinkers!!!!

[@gregrowe1168]

I can’t imagine not having a fuel cap. Seems strange. Ironically my old Silverado has had a check engine light for years for a common GM fuel venting problem. It’s something that requires no fix but the light will never go off. A sensor in the tank would need to be replaced and it would cost $500 in labor to fix something that doesn’t need fixed just to get the check engine light to go away.

[@johnhufnagel]

As you noted, the Ford had an extremely short top off (0.057gal based on the video), whereas the Ram had a 0.369gal (based on the visible data.) If you take the pre-top off values, the Ford comes in at 24.04 vs the Ram at 24.89, so the deviation is 1.89mpg between the extremes. I think given the inherent inaccuracies involved both trucks are nearly identical, within measurement tolerances.

[@adaycj]

I agree. TFL could do 1000 hours of MPG testing on each truck with 3 million in equipment and someone would still cry foul. It's close enough, and in this case it's a wash.

[@davestirton372]

I think the top up method used here is at best a by guess and by golly method. injector volumes is what the trip computer uses.

[@waggitnshaggit6592]

@@davestirton372 By Guess and By Golly method , I've never heard that, Love it !

[@fscottgray9784]

Beware of the 30 second top off procedure. After a few thousand miles of doing this on both my Ram and GM pickups the carbon canister becomes contaminated and triggers a check engine light. You will end up needing to replace it so the light does not come on. Owners manual says not to top off your fuel tank. TFL won't see the consequence because they never keep their trucks long enough to trigger this.

[@danmurray07]

I've been told that as well. Surprised they do it.

[@skipgumphrey9579]

I do it in my Toyota truck. I’ve always done it. It’s got just under 300,000 miles on it and I’ve NEVER had a CEL for anything, let alone an evap/canister issue. Just saying…

[@thatfordguy2268]

100% correct, over filling or " topping off" is not recomended. This is the main culprit of the majority of "check engine" lights we see at my shop. The vent canister and purge valve are not able to function properly also😎👍

[@melvinhunt6976]

The canister only has a problem when you overfill and it overflows! MAN!’

[@fscottgray9784]

@@skipgumphrey9579 older vehicles are not as sensitive to this, less monitoring systems.

[@melanehme3661]

When an engine has no dipstick but you bought it, the dipstick is you! 🤭😆🤣

[@M21-w1y]

😂😂😂😂😂👍

[@ntokarski7]

When an engine has no dipstick you know you can’t afford it

[@stevegiguere1315]

With the computer systems available today that stick is completely redundant. I can't tell you when the last time was i pulled the stick on my truck

[@erichill262]

until that computer sensor fails. Besides, OEM oil change intervals are designed to cater to CAFE goals and to get you past warranty period. Check out TheMotorOilGeek for the actual science on motor oils and change intervals

[@melanehme3661]

@@stevegiguere1315 it seems like you have a different type of stick problem 🤭😆🤣

[@markmeador]

I have always preferred the straight six to the v6. The old Jeep 4.0 was great and I went over 300,000 miles on three Jeeps.

[@dennispfohl4737]

Agreed. Love the old 4.0l jeep motors, wish they would have improved and carried those into the newer JK's, not a huge fan of the 3.7v6 in my wrangler.

[@drifterbbb3649]

@@dennispfohl4737 They never put the 3.7L EKG in the Wranglers, it was in the Liberty, Grand Cherokee and Commander. It is either a 3.8L EGH or a 3.6 Pentastar. The 3.8L was 2007-2011 in the JK Wranglers. The 3.6L Pentastar has about 100 more horsepower, and a better engine by every other metric too. We all miss the 4.0L, great engine. Replacing it with the 3.7 and 3.8 in Jeeps only made sense to the bean counters at Chrysler.

[@marylandsteve5441]

the 4 liter jeep is pretty good but for my money the best six cylinder that was mass produced in the US has gotta be the 300 six ford' especially the 4.9efi version. those engines cant be killed. i overheated 1 to the point of locking up 3 times in about n hrs time and as soon as it cooled i changed the water pump and went another 50k miles until the frame rotted out on the truck

[@The2001cobra]

Na 4.0l making less than 1/2 the hp and tq of a 3.0l twin turbo will embarrass the 3.0l in terms of longevity. Can not compare the two and in no way should anyone buying the hurricane think that it's going to last like a 4.0L straight six.

[@stevegiguere1315]

For sure. That old Ford straight 6 was a solid engine as well

[@mikehaugen4177]

Im a dodge/ram guy but i don't think you can go wrong with either one of these trucks, my buddy has that 3.5 ecoboost and it seems to do real well. I think the biggest thing here is the 3.5 ecoboost has been out for a while and its pretty much good to go, where as the hurricane is brand new and who knows what kinda weird problems it may or may not have. Cool video either way

[@kurtb3606]

I'm a Ford guy, but agree, both a very capable trucks.

[@gregrowe1168]

The 2.7 is probably the more popular choice now. It seems to have less issues than the 3.5. Yes, it makes less power but still more than the 5.4 ever made. Even the base V6 made more power than the 5.4.

[@AmericanSurvival001]

And how many miles are on your buddies road. Ecoboost. And what year is it? because I have multiple friends with ecoboost who've had multiple problems and spent many thousands fixing them And sold them....

[@mikehaugen4177]

@@AmericanSurvival001 Its a 2015, lariat i think hes got 120k ish on it, he never really tows with it outside a bass tracker boat, he did recently have somethin with the turbo , but i dont think it was a massive deal or anything .

[@TheLumberJacked]

@@gregrowe1168I think the 2.7 has suspect fricking enginerding. I’m not a fan of it in a 1/2 ton, but it’s an ideal ranger size engine. Not saying it’s a bad engine but they did make some interesting choices I don’t love (like the oil pump belt drive)

[@joshuaenyart5570]

Andre's foot brake skills were not as beneficial to giving the engine enough time to build boost

[@someguywithaford]

It doesn’t matter. I have a 3.5, and the 2017+ EcoBoost actually has electronic wastegates. So it will not build boost when stopped. I’ve tried, and I noticed the boost gauge just stays at 0. It seems to me like a nice controlled launch in RWD with a little weight in the bed would be the best way to get a 0-60 from the EcoBoost, it feels a little sluggish after 3rd in 4wd

[@ecu4awhile]

with a Tune on these 150s, with brake boost i am pretty sure you were spinning the earth as opposed to moving forward. you absolutely benefit from brake boosting these trucks.

[@enigma9789]

@@someguywithaford Fords dont like brake torquing. Mine always runs faster if i just mash the gas.

[@HAPPYFUNTIMEx2]

The Raptors fastest 0-60 is with a pedal mash. I dont see why the regular 3.5 would be different. He should have just mashed the pedal.

[@someguywithaford]

@@HAPPYFUNTIMEx2 that’s interesting. I wonder if the ECU is programmed not to let the engine do much work when brake torque to protect the drive components. This would make sense to me because my truck is less likely to spin the wheels if I just floor it instead of going about 3/4 throttle. I think Ford programmed stuff into these EcoBoosts to try to prevent excessive wheel spin or to prevent damage

[@DUDEWithDODGES]

I think Ram shoulda kept the 5.7 as an option.

[@r.holdaway5839]

I have some friends deep in the auto industry who believe that Ram “shelved” the 5.7, but didn’t erase it. I hope they bring it back. We have some 5.7 trucks in the fleet and they are well over 350,000 with no issues.

[@brentmacklem1872]

@@r.holdaway5839that ain’t a bad thing. Friends say this as well. Maintain them people.

[@pbaker7160]

EPA wouldn't allow it. Blame our idiot government.

[@Psuhockey-cr9if]

@@pbaker7160then why is ford able to keep the coyote?

[@ZayneMcDonald]

@@Psuhockey-cr9ifdisplacement

[@robertallen6591]

I drove a 2025 Ram 1500 yesterday and I was very impressed. It made the Tundra feel so rough.

[@d3uc3diggl3r]

87 is regular here in NJ. 89 is plus. 91 is premium and 93 is ultra

[@alvinrichardson8123]

I will always go with a v8 for Ford F-150.

[@slalomking]

No, it won’t be offered soon

[@jasonpuzio9756]

@@slalomking very true I would get one when you can

[@The2001cobra]

@@slalomking Ford always drops the standard engine first. The 2.7 eco is the standard. The 5.0l will be around for a while longer.

[@philsocks3386]

Still driving 2004 f-150 I bought new then 20 years, my cousin is on his third ram ,but he says ford is junk.

[@LakeNipissing]

The 5.0 seems to be a good engine. I have a 2017 F-150 XLT Supercab 5.0 V8, 2WD, 6 Spd with 220,000 miles and the _average_ fuel economy since new is 21.2 MPG. Since new: Oil changes, brakes x 2 and tires x 3, wiper arms x 3 and wiper linkage. (the wiper system is utter junk, but the rest of the truck is very good)

[@brucegeib263]

Awesome comparison. Please do the same trucks towing 5,000 lbs ish. Thank you so much TFL

[@Just2Fast4U]

See my comment. I did exactly this. That was roughly the weights when I towed with both.

[@blue03r6]

They cant tow that much without being beat on severely. The v6 works much harder to do what the 5.7 hemi can do before 3k rpm

[@canamxmr4760]

For those wondering, the sport mode on the ram also defaults to 4 auto. it adjust the steering feel as well as the transmission shift points.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

its basically apples to orange. they have totally different gearing and many other different setups.

[@canamxmr4760]

@@carholic-sz3qv my comment is for information of the ram sport mode. No comparison made in the comment.

[@burkepete110]

the real race is to see which engine self-destructs first

[@thunderroad7289]

That would be a Chevy

[@shelbypoindexter1199]

You must be thinking about Chevrolet talk about self-destruct

[@604h22a]

@@thunderroad7289 my boss has a eco boost with 50k kms and it burns quite a bit of oil

[@gregrowe1168]

Probably Nissan. Though the transmission is the true weak link in that truck. They’re worse than Ram ever was.

[@gregrowe1168]

@@604h22a That's pretty bad. Some people drive that much in one year.

[@lesgoff]

Great trucks... I would buy either one.... Some good news pertaining to my 2022 RAM 5.7 with 3.92 tow gears (2wd). I drove 2,472.6 miles from Charlotte, NC to Tulsa OK (I-40 mostly) and returned through upper Arkansas mountains back to Nashville before returning to Charlotte and averaged 23.7 mpg (gas pump receipts returned 23.1 mpg). Still in shock the truck did that well.

[@Sailorjerry46]

I’d get the ford. Aluminum body means it won’t rust like the dodge. Nicer look and more cargo room with the bigger cab

[@davidmckibbin4440]

my 2013 1500 hemi can produce those same numbers

[@johnlemme1603]

What about salt in the northeast​@@Sailorjerry46

[@Sailorjerry46]

@@johnlemme1603 it’s just as salty as the salt in every other direction I’d wager

[@matrinezkevin11492]

​@@Sailorjerry46aluminum still corrodes. Its also nearly impossible to bang dents out of meaning fender benders on F-150s have been about 25% more expensive than GM Dodge and Toyota trucks in comparison. Might as well go all fiberglass if you truly want cheap, lightweight and wont corrode.

[@julius.150]

That is the race everyone wanted to see. Good job explaining this to me.

[@randyphillips559]

Andre really screwed up the launch on the Ford, I think they would be virtually identical accelerating trucks.

[@AlicesWondereland]

Andre. You've been one of my favorite hosts, not only on TFL, but of almost any channel. But, you sir have hurt my heart. Calling a Ram, inferior to anything was not a nice thing to say. lol

[@Ratkill9000]

I've driven quite a few of the new Hurricane, mostly the standard output. Most of these have less than 100 miles on the clock. I honestly feel like they are gutless compared to the 3.5L EcoBoost.

[@RyanEmeryLovesCars]

No oil dipstick = no Hurricane purchase from me. Inexcusable in a truck. Seriously, what if the oil level sensor fails? Like any sensor it will fail eventually (cough cough BMW and Audi). The simple solution is to just check the dipstick. Boom. Problem solved. Probably one day we won't even be able to open the hood to cars... because the average person doesn't check under there anyway...

[@waggitnshaggit6592]

honestly most don't even check or for that matter change it

[@jamesonzip]

Why does that matter.. people don’t check them anymore and there’s still a way to check the oil on them.. it’s just a digital readout like your gas gauge lol. People said the same thing when we went from drive by cable to drive by wire and here we are today.. your gas pedal is just a remote control that powers an electric motor on your intake. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@RyanEmeryLovesCars]

@@jamesonzip What if the oil level sensor fails? Like any sensor it will fail eventually (cough cough BMW and Audi). The simple solution is to just check the dipstick. Boom. Problem solved. Probably one day we won't even be able to open the hood to cars... because the average person doesn't check under there anyway...

[@butchgeagan9768]

I want a dip stick, car or truck. May not us oil for a long time, then start using more than a little.

[@bradleyscarreviews]

5.6 0-60 1mile above sea level for just the SO output is impressive

[@27Zangle]

Very! I would still wait another year or two before getting one those engines. I have a feeling it is going to be very reliable though.

[@ryanb8736]

Straight 6 turbo is the best design. I’ve said it for 3 decades. About time a company does it.

[@butchphillips873]

@@ryanb8736 In Australia we had inline 6 turbo in Falcon utes. Very good power and reliability.

[@ecu4awhile]

If Andre knew how to drive, you can hit 5.4-5.5 in the F150. Both trucks are impressive

[@bradleyscarreviews]

@@ecu4awhile I was wondering also.

[@rsdaarud]

That 23+ is pretty impressive for those half ton pickups!

[@Steve-yr5vi]

yep, my last V8 F150 was lucky to better 15, and you know that was actually good for the era, years ago 4x4 trucks were lucky to top 10.

[@pbaker7160]

I have a 2016 F150 with the 2.7 Ecoboost. I get 24 on the highway as long as I keep it under 70. Combined is 19. With a 36 gallon tank, I only fill up about one per month.

[@waterloo123100]

Not really I had a Silverado that got 23 in the city and 26 on the highway. It was 2004 with the 5.3

[@rsdaarud]

Prime Chevy years for sure!

[@danger7dan]

I agree. My 2008 Dodge Ram SLT 2WD single cab with the 4.7 liter V8 had an EPA rating of 18 mpg on the highway.

[@DJGRoc]

The "smoothness" in the RAM is due to the balance of a straight 6. That's why the straight 6 is preferred to the V6.

[@phoenixraven1118]

So a truck with lower gears was quicker and got worse mileage? Who could have ever predicted such an unexpected outcome?

[@tylerworkmantw]

Right. Apples and sweet potatoes.

[@MrBigDutch1]

100% 🤣 They made way too big a deal about .75 mpg!? If it's got Dodge's go to 3:92s for towing then it has actually crushed the Ford in this comparison considering.

[@spinedoc893]

@@MrBigDutch1 I was thinking the same thing! Plus the ford ahs 2 more gears and still was only slightly better MPG. If the RAM had the 3.21 rear end it would likely be noticeably better than the Ford

[@spinedoc893]

Ya who'd have seen that coming huh??? AND oddly enough these are pretty much the same MPG #'s they would get with a 5.0 F150 or a Hemi RAM. Imagine engines that make 400ish hp in similar vehicles getting similar MPG??? I'm not opposed to turbo motors but if you are buying them thinking you'll get noticeably better MPG in real world use you'll be disappointed.

[@MrBigDutch1]

@@spinedoc893 Right you are sir! We were promised better fuel economy in the 80s with the advantage of new technology . From carbs to throttle bodies to fuel injection.....Bullshit. I drove an 84 chevy half ton with a small block and a quadrajet that easily saw MPGs into the twenties. My 14 Ram with the hemi just saw 10.8L / 100 km which is just over 21 MPG and that included some idle time to stay cool and I wasn't TRYING to wring out every drip! That was on a 700 km / 420 mi round trip with half 120 km/hr speeds and half 60-90 km/hr . The big three have always done one thing fairly well....build V8s! I agree that the new tech and turbos on sixes to only deliver what we are already getting with more simple and dependable V8s doesn't seem like a stellar investment in R&D.

[@chuckw6099]

The upgraded new Ram 1500 are very quiet because they have active noise cancellation. The Ram trucks had them since 2019 because I had a 2019 Ram 1500 Big Horn Quad Cab with the eTorque V8. I wish I would have kept that truck because it was a very nice truck and the Hemi is no longer available in them. If you decide to upgrade the stereo system with amplifiers and subwoofers, you must disable the microphones that are in the headliner. There were 6 microphones in the headliner, which 4 of them was for the active noise cancellation and the other 2 is for the handsfree. If you do not disable them, you get a low frequency feedback which will play through your subwoofers and door speakers. I used the stock stereo with all aftermarket speakers and amplifiers and believe it or not, it sounded fantastic. The exhaust note of the Hemi beats the sound of a turbocharged engine anyday.

[@darrendaine4914]

You should test the loop in the economy mode and then test it normal and see if the economy mode actually does anything

[@xr7coug]

Doesnt affect HWY mileage on my 22 F150

[@darrendaine4914]

@@xr7coug My 23 Bronco is off and I'm not talking about a Broncos sport and I have 35s. I guess doing something or not doing something doesn't say much for the economy mode

[@AntilleanConfederation]

I found out that on most cars with normal, sport and eco. Sport mode actually saves the most. Lmaoooo

[@PeterDoesFarming]

Have the Hurricane in a wagoner L for the past two years. No issues. Plenty of power and unique sound.

[@hellkitty1014]

Insurance agent has a GW w/ H.O. and he loves it.

[@PeterDoesFarming]

@@kiplambel4052 we may be talking about two different things. The 2023 Waggoner L has the straight 6 twin turbo hurricane. I believe the 4 cyclinder you are talking about is in the grand Cherokee, Cherokee, and possibly the wrangler?

[@kiplambel4052]

Yep. ​@PeterDoesFarming somehow I read "wrangler"

[@johnwiegers3502]

​@@kiplambel4052wagoneer L is basically a Chevy Suburban! You are thinking of the small Wagoneer S that they are coming out with!

[@KIDRR]

I always wondered who bought those

[@bgehsen]

That was a great match up. I love this channel and look forward to these videos. Andre, this time, i don't think you launched the f150 correctly. 6.7 sec to 60 in a 3.5 ecoboost doesn't sound right. That truck is faster than that even a mile above sea level.

[@thomasallen3818]

My 2020 Ram Limited also gets a little over 24mpg on long highway runs. Around town it gets between 17 and 18 mpg. And all of that with a 5.7 Hemi. I don’t see why Ram gave up the V-8 engine. You definitely don’t get the same sound from the hurricane.

[@firstjohn3123]

Gov't....

[@bthemp01]

Emissions

[@AmericanSurvival001]

Dude, you realize That no Ford owners will believe you get that kind of mileage. LOL, because they've always owned Fords. I have a durango with a 5.7 hemi. It's a 2005. It has 350,000 miles on it! never fixed anything on it yet I'm assuming that's coming, but I get 21 miles to the gallon, going 65 miles an hour down the freeway. And around town, I get exactly what you get. People who own Fords never get 20 miles to the gallon. at freeway speeds, especially in ecoboosts.😅

[@spud2727]

​@@bthemp01Ram folks and their math, gotta love it. Does the Hemi tick throw off your count?

[@foxwithshades7080]

You know whats crazy is 400+ horsepower from a 6 clynder. Still boggles my mind I have Two Trucks a 2003 Silverado with a 4.8L V8 making 285hp and a 2009 f150 4.6L V8 with 282hp.

[@vladk8637]

What's important, is not the maximum power, but the torque. Have you ever thought, why heavy duty trucks still run on V8 or big inlines 6, although turbo-6 promoters love to tell us about high power and "reliability" ? These two trucks will spend their life commuting kids to school and at costco's parking. Testers didn't even try to haul a trailer... because it's a nightmare on those trucks ; they need to undershift all the time, they rev high, making them noisy, and they finally use more fuel than a V8. So if your need is limited to a Rav4 or a Sorento, but for some reason, you need something bigger (a size you'll never use in fact), go and buy those cruisers. If you need a truck for serious stuff, like hauling a trailer, caring 700lb of wood, and so on, just take a V8 or straight 6 turbo diesel.

[@dwfflowers1965]

The 5.7 Hemi has 395 hp and 410 foot pounds of torque, the standard output hurricane has 420 hp and 469 foot pounds of torque. But the v8 can out tow the straight 6 and get better mpg while doing it?!? Haha

[@vladk8637]

@@dwfflowers1965 As I already wrote, and as physics say (if you once in your life studied), torque curve is more important than max figures. Turbo or not, V6 won't give anything before 2500rpm, so with start and stop, V8 will win. With a trailer, it will take forever to the V6, to reach the needed 2500rpm, so a nightmare in city center, in trafic jams, in mountains, etc. Second : To get those max figures, V6 will need turbos to blow A LOT of air. To keep the air/fuel ratio, a lot of fuel will be needed as well, and experience shows, that V6 won't use less fuel. Third : turbos reach 90K rpm +. That's a lot of wear to expect, especially on a truck, which is supposed to be a workhorse. You talk about marketing figures, I talk about physics. If I'm wrong, then explain me why all heavy duty trucks (F250+, 2500+...) are V8 - or at least, high displacement 6.

[@dwfflowers1965]

@vladk8637 If you look at the torque curves (for once in your life) you will see the Hurricane reaches peak torque at 3,500 rpm, while the 5.7 hits peak at 4,000. The reason for twin turbos over a single big turbo is to eliminate the lag. With that being said, you will have power down low with the twins leaving the big turbo in the dust while it's still trying to spool up. If you look at the towing capacity of both, yes the Hemi without etorque is higher by a whopping 50lbs coming in at 11,610lbs to 11,560lbs. 5.7L vs 3.0L, it's a wash, they are the same as far as towing capacity goes. The Hurricane beats it with mpg, in the 60 foot, 1/8 mile, the 1/4 mile, and can tow the same. Have a nice day.

[@The2001cobra]

@@dwfflowers1965 And the 5.7 isnt using twin turbos and that fact makes it far better especially in terms of longevity.

[@marksullivan8200]

The hurricane engine surprised me, I'd like to see it tested in the h.o. variant as well

[@Kias1dad]

The mileage test is too short. A few ounces of gas one way or the other during top off can have a big impact.

[@jarrodwidiger5472]

Yes, what is the consistency error on a fuel pump shutoff? They really need to do at least 300+ miles in my opinion.

[@enigma9789]

@@jarrodwidiger5472 You guys can team up and go drive hundreds of vehicles 300 miles each, we will wait for the videos.

[@gregrowe1168]

The extra top off is enough to make it inaccurate as well.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Only way the fuel economy test would ever be 100% accurate is to stick by the numbers on the gas pump, and put the identical amount of fuel in both trucks at start, and measure the mileage by satellite, and figure out an accurate way to measure how much LESS fuel is in the truck's tank without using a fickle top-off pump kick-off mechanism. Trouble is, not every gas pump shoots gas out at the same pace, not every gas nozzle kicks the valve off with the same amount of fluid kick-back at the nozzle tip.

[@daniel0atk]

I would rather the 5.0 Coyote over the EcoBoost or Hurricane.

[@paullane7489]

Me too!!!👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸

[@Johnlu464]

That’s what I got, went from a 2020 2.7. 22-23mpg highway with 5.0. Got 13 pulling a rzr turbo and a grizzly with gear to SD.

[@warlockgonzalez9050]

Cool story!

[@dennisrutherford6973]

I got rid of mine drank oil and very noisy

[@daniel0atk]

@@dennisrutherford6973 I mean that's fair, I just love the sound of V8s and the feel of them, I've always been a 5.7 Hemi guy though.

[@snoopyfix2]

Awesome test guys! Im sure I speak for everyone when I say we appreciate the real-world tests you guys do!

[@Steve8587]

Nice to see the Hurricane. Know of many with Ecoboost and all are great within reason. My 17 with 160k has been great and have always pushed it hard and tow regularly. In the last 12 months I’ve done 11k towing. It’s not new but great truck.

[@AmericanSurvival001]

And you've had no repairs. especially expensive ones?, did you forget to leave that out?

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@AmericanSurvival001 Because it would be most certainly SO disappointing to have a reliable anything.

[@rickreynolds9957]

I read the Hurricane doesn’t even have an oil dipstick. Oil level shows on information screen. What if the sensor is not accurate?

[@sinepari9160]

Scary huh?

[@justsomeguy697]

It should trigger a light if it's not working correctly. My old bmw had no dipstick either but only owned it up to 150k. But the sensor was original and working on a 2009 model.

[@BROutdoorz]

Fug it! I have a 2016 power wagon 6.4L I never check the oil..no engine light, no oil light..hammer down! 🤣🤷🏼‍♂️

[@ohioguy4326]

at least it will give the people that never check the dipstick a warning when it senses a problem.

[@gregrowe1168]

Sad part is needing to check oil level on a new truck. I’ve owned trucks with 200k miles on them that didn’t use oil.

[@AIGeneratedUser]

From a guy who used to watch Donut (not anymore much lol) TFL has quickly become my favorite collection of channels. Keep up the great work

[@Hybris51129]

But TFL has been where Dount is now for years only with less yelling and over the top antics.

[@mediocreman2]

Donut blows.

[@AIGeneratedUser]

@@mediocreman2 they do now for the most part I agree

[@exothermal.sprocket]

The main dudes on Donut quit Donut to do their own independent things. Such is the result of corporate life; the corporation sets standards that makes free expression and independent thought impossible.

[@brandonray1707]

I think Ram should use a small diesel in the 1500’s as an option but not an Italian made one like the eco diesel.

[@butchgeagan9768]

But that's all they have.

[@duckwacker8720]

They need to use the 4BT Cummins.

[@dontaylor2099]

The Hurricane has the turbo built into the head. Time will tell how bad that idea is but everything wears out and needs rebuilding or replacing eventually. Congratulations to Ram for finding a way to make an engine where the head likely will need to come off just to fix a turbo failure.

[@j.o.a.t9718]

I'll stick with my 5.0. Engines with turbos are destined to fail.

[@Thedoors432]

I believe this will be a great engine for RAM. Glad Ford is getting competition. Maybe Ford will start doing realistic pricing now.

[@robbycheaib1719]

These ram trucks are priced crazy as well

[@Steve-yr5vi]

Are RAM trucks priced any lower, the last time I looked RAM trucks were priced higher than comparable Ford trucks.

[@jtthedon4230]

RAM/JEEP anything Stellantis is the most expensive out of the big 3 GOOFY!!!🤔🤐🤪😂😭

[@melvinhunt6976]

Ford! Have you been to a GM, Ram, Toyota dealer lately? Obviously Not!

[@fredmoucatel2058]

No difference at dodge ! But really it's the dealers that make the difference in pricing . You have to look at the MSRP number first .

[@jbdoublewide8757]

i work for ford. running 87 is a 11 percent reduction in power at peak, its even more at low rpm and high boost situations. its a drastic difference from 93

[@terb5804]

At sea level?

[@woodrmp1]

Huh. I’ve run premium a few times in my gen 2 3.5 eco and didn’t notice any difference. What do you do at Ford?

[@trackpackgt877]

yes i knew they really needed 93 because there turbo charged! cant run as much boost or timing with lower octane. Appreciate that info

[@anthonys7534]

@@woodrmp1judging by his user name, he must be pretty high up the ladder at Ford😂

[@RealEyezRealLiez]

Good luck finding 93 in the southwest

[@itgoesfast2722]

So with almost identical engines the truck with the taller rear end has a longer 0-60 but better fuel economy…. Who would have ever thought that would be the case. LOL.

[@ryanb8736]

Not identical engines at all. One is a V6 and other is an inline 6. Massive difference. Inline will always last longer. Reason why the straight 6 were always legendary engines.

[@itgoesfast2722]

@@ryanb8736 I was talking horse power 400 F150 and 420 Ram. In my book that is almost identical….I know one is a v6 and the other a straight 6. Wow both are six cylinders with twin turbos making almost the same horse power. So glad you felt you had to call me out..

[@joshgts9675]

"Nearly identical engine" is the same thing as identical horsepower to you? English is your second language I'm assuming? You need to be specific if you don't want people calling you out.

[@itgoesfast2722]

@@joshgts9675 get a life

[@itgoesfast2722]

@@joshgts9675 English is my second language? But to you think “almost identical” and “identical” mean the same thing. LOL. You are a joke and I think your mom is calling you from upstairs, so get out of her basement and see what she needs. Get a life

[@BillyWilliams-d2e]

Best mpg test. Use a calibrated 5 gallon, clear glass container. Measurements of the fuel ⛽️ remaining in the glass container, is a real test.

[@towertone]

TFL, where they use GPS, trip calculators, thousands of dollars worth of camera gear with chase vehicle and iPones to test new(er) vehicles with sci-fi dashes that handle hands-free calling but drive them one handed while using 1990's walkie-talkies...🤔

[@barrybeckford2733]

Since Dodge/Chrysler has gone bankrupt 3-4 times, only survived do to massive bailouts, changed owners 3-4 times...no dipstick, VERY poor dealers, NO WAY I WOULD BUY ONE...

[@fozzybear9114]

@@barrybeckford2733 you sound jealous making up lies

[@RGP_WA]

I would never buy any car with a newly designed engine in it's first year. Still love my 2018 3.5 lariat!

[@HEMI345375]

Its not a new engine its been in the jeeps for well over a year now!

[@woodrmp1]

Yep I have an 18 3.5 platinum and not a single engine issue. Can barely tell it’s running it’s so smooth.

[@dearbulls]

Cannot wait for the Ramcharger vs. Hybrid F150.

[@tomahawk7259]

If they get the ramcharger right I think it will blow the F150 Hybrid out of the water.

[@dearbulls]

yea, but it's a huge IF. Both Stelantis and Leap Motors (the Chinese manufacturer who provided them the range extending technology) are famous for cheap price not high quality. So I'll take that hope with a grain of salt. I do have a preorder on it BTW

[@ebenezerwheezer2957]

Plug in Ramcharger for the win Stellantis I hope. 🙏 2025 RamCharger 1500 Plug-in hybrid maybe a game changer. 141 mi on pure electric power. 690 miles combined Gas & Elec. impressive combined output of 663 horsepower and 615 pound-feet of torque 14,500 towing Target price $60,000. Best of all you NEVER HAVE TO PLUG IT IN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.

[@dearbulls]

@@ebenezerwheezer2957 it can be plugged in but it's not a PHEV

[@ebenezerwheezer2957]

​@@dearbulls Please explain why Stellantis 2025 RamCharger 1500 Plug-in hybrid maybe a game changer. 141 mi on pure electric power. 690 miles combined Gas & Elec. impressive combined output of 663 horsepower and 615 pound-feet of torque 14,500 towing Target price $60,000. Best of all you NEVER HAVE TO PLUG IT IN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. This isn't a phev?

[@imkwuzn]

Am I the only one who noticed the entire dash in the F150 shaking while Andre was filming? The Ram looked rock solid.

[@davestirton372]

Nope, your not. But I guess we can give it a pass as at that mileage it is getting close to retirement Lol

[@moose5.9]

​@@davestirton372😂😂😂

[@thunderroad7289]

Ram solid? Lmao I have a 2022 3500 Cummins and it’s been a typical Dodge. Transmission problems and the dash falling apart

[@moose5.9]

@@thunderroad7289 dash falling apart on a 22? It's not 2002 anymore that excuse has been gone since the late 3rd gens

[@1976Vwbusclub]

@@thunderroad7289wow….. my 2017 Ram 2500 Cummins is still solid and it has 128k on it. The only thing I’ve done to it is put tires on and do regular maintenance. It’s a Great truck!

[@TheLumberJacked]

I towed a 5500 pound wake boat + (associated trailer weight) from Kelowna BC over the Rockies to Calgary Alberta with a 2018 F150 Platinum with a 3.5tt ecoboost. If you have driven this road it’s a hell of a journey, ups and downs and twisty turns, amazing drive. It absolutely hauled ass the entire time. Incredible performance. The engine never showed it was stressed let alone working hard. Phenomenal performance. Wasn’t my truck, I don’t even live in Canada. It was a good friend of mines setup, I couldn’t resist the chance 11:16 to put the truck to the test. Incredible. That 10 speed is the ideal match and absolutely crushes my 2021 Ram Limited - interestingly they both have similar final drive ratios but the Ford 10speed does a vastly better job translating the 3.5’s power and always having a good gear. My Ram feels like it needs more gears when pulling with the 5.7L Hemi.

[@Patrick-xd8jv]

I had my 10 speed overhauled at under 35,000 miles. I don’t think it is really 100% fixed but will find out when it gets cold. I have never towed more than 1500 lbs

[@TheLumberJacked]

@@Patrick-xd8jv the 2023.5 MY on have the transmission basket failure now solved. That was the primary failure point for this transmission. Was that your issue as well? If that’s what was fixed I believe you can feel confident they have solved the issue now. Though 35,000 miles is pretty early for even that type of failure. Still, it’s happened to you and I’m sorry to hear you’ve had issues so early. I ended up buying a 2024 Platinum F-150. Honestly 2024 may be the most buttoned up year for F-150’s all major issues have been solved…that obviously doesn’t mean other stuff won’t go wrong however. I guess I’ll find out. 😊

[@TheLumberJacked]

@@Patrick-xd8jv - you can do a reset on the trans as well. May be worth doing and just retrain it. The way Fords learn means it can make quite a substantial difference to the feel and operation of the transmission. 🤷🏻‍♂️ worth considering.

[@Patrick-xd8jv]

@@TheLumberJacked last winter on the cold 1-2 shift it was locked in 2 gears when shifting. It slid the tires on the first shift of the day. They reprogrammed, then went through the valve body then replaced a drum and overhauled the transmission. It has the latest software update

[@Patrick-xd8jv]

@@TheLumberJacked It had a drum with a bushing issue. It locked in two gears when shifting which locked the rear tires on the first shift of the day

[@MX-CO]

Most people dont want these tiny motors with turbochargers, we want big v8's

[@davestirton372]

Petition the government because ultimately they are the ones making the rules that car makers have to follow and we have to pay the cost.

[@justsomeguy697]

Yeah thanks uncle Sam. Still have a v8 on these trucks but they are pressured into making them epa friendly

[@MX-CO]

Yeah, I'll stick with older ones. Thankfully, there are still lots of older, well cared ones out there. Im happy with my 2004 Yukon. Still runs great, and looks good imo. V8, 4X4, Tows well.

[@gregrowe1168]

Eventually, that will be the only option or electric.

[@spoder6358]

Inline 6 is better in every way, way more efficient and balanced. I don’t see the issue.

[@Steve-yr5vi]

Hat's off to RAM, I believe their new engine is going to be a good seller for them, I've drove the Grand Wagoneer with that engine to Breckenridge and I was impressed, it delivered as expected, drove like a turbo - quiet, maintained speed w/o effort on climbs as a turbo should. I'm not surprised of the efficiency results, Ford has been making the 3.5 EB for a while now and it's tuned perfectly to deliver cost efficient power. Given the power ratings and apparently a more aggressive rear end gearing the RAM should be quicker than the Ford. I have a 2019 Lariat SC, FX4, max tow 3.5 and couldn't be happier with that truck. FYI: I'd bet $100 my truck would be right about 24mpg on that highway look at 65 mph.

[@fu2974]

I’ll take the 5.0 all day long over these juiced up V6 banger’s. Turbocharged is nice until it isn’t..

[@icebrakernh]

I’m with you on that

[@Spoolingturbski]

Ram wasn’t just going to throw anything under the hood after dropping the legendary hemi. These over built straight 6 turbos are the real deal and make tons of power and have already proven more reliable then the Toyota offering. Before you come to a conclusion go drive one first. Yes it doesn’t rumble, but the power is insane.

[@engineer_alv]

I've seen a couple videos from aftermarket exhausts and it can get quite a nice rumble. It will never sound like a V8 but unlike most V6s it will at least sound tastefully.

[@waterloo123100]

I would have no problems with this engine if CAFE standards would allow a v8 still. Something needs to change

[@ryanb8736]

They took the best design and remade it.

[@AntilleanConfederation]

Over built? Lol not even a dipstick but okay buddy.

[@marcharris4176]

It's a Dodge. It will have many issues

[@ChristisKing117]

I want to see some twin turbo V8 options, or even bring back the big block!

[@jhrubicon1470]

The first time they did this test 0-60 they were less than 1 second apart! The dodge was brake brake torqued a lot harder so boost was already there! 3.73 vs 3.55 gearing as well

[@chiplangowski3298]

The gear ratio difference was likely even greater. The towing ratio in the RAM is 3.92 and the standard, non-towing ratio in the Ford is 3.31.

[@jkim13055]

The ford doesn't let you build any boost from a stop. I have a 21 3.5 and the best launch by far is if the surface is wet, and if it starts to spin while brake boosting in 4a. Then the tq management gives up and it rips and hops . Otherwise it's very weak out of the hole

[@jhrubicon1470]

@@chiplangowski3298 I thought it was 3.55 on the Ford but I'm pretty sure I've been wrong before lol. Either way the Ram had a huge advantage in this one. He braked it hard enough for it to break traction, I could hear it.

[@seandemura128]

@@jhrubicon1470 3.55 standard for 3.5 on the 2024s. 3.31 for 2021-2023.

[@ryanb8736]

Straight 6 is a faster engine. Wait till the HO version is tested.

[@BigInjun05]

Im impressed with that ram engine.

[@ryanb8736]

Not even the HO. That engine is on another level.

[@vyasshivang8660]

3.5 Eco boost is great engine.

[@ryanb8736]

Straight 6 is better though. The HO will be even better. Ford should have kept their straight 6.

[@Ratkill9000]

@@ryanb8736 High Output is only available in the Limited and Tungsten luxury trucks and the Grand Wagoneer. The base model, big horn, laramie, Rebel will never see high output engine.

[@davidrollins4272]

Just bought one in December with 10 speed.23 MPG overall. Quick acceleration. Very happy with it.

[@Fehrway_Engines]

I would love to see a real world test between a 2024 RAM I6 vs a 1980 Chevy I6. To see if 40 years of technology actually improved fuel economy?

[@troywebb7657]

Lol...does the old Chevy come with a Three-On-Tree tranny as well? If I'm going old school, I want my 69' VW Fastback or my 71' Ford Step Van...🤔😏😉😁

[@Fehrway_Engines]

@@troywebb7657 the old square body had the farmer 4 speed and averaged 28 miles per gallon!

[@BROutdoorz]

Awesome idea! I’d be interested in that test for sure!

[@rickreese5794]

Had a new 76 250/6, 3 on the tree, 20 on a good day, It was the Cali model, intake molded Into head……😮

[@sammcrae8892]

I've got a 2016 3.5 F-150 Ecoboost with 120,000 miles (trouble free), but I know that they have a few issues, all vehicles do. The truck I had before that was a Dodge Ram 1500 Magnum, and I will never buy another vehicle made by any company affiliated with them. Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed it when it was running, but in 175,000 miles I went through THREE transmissions, even with an added transmission cooler. Especially since they have amalgamated with Fiat -- no. They look good, they drive good, and they do what you want when they work, but they are built cheap, and they don't pass any savings on to the buyer. I do like that Ram has gone with a straight six engine, they can be really good historically speaking. The old slant six was great, but I don't trust Ram, or any Chrysler product anymore, and that's a shame because my Dad, and my grandfather worked for Chrysler.

[@Franz-vg6hy]

Wrong Gas Station-there is no Dinosaur, I want my Dinocare 😂

[@adamharriger5193]

Good results, but I would still wait a few years for the hurricane to prove it’s reliability. You do really have to credit Ford for their foresight- they’ve been at this boosted V6 aluminum body game for 10+ years.

[@brentmacklem1872]

Mechanics i listen to say that the Coyote was built to last compared to the EB.

[@dmandman9]

@@brentmacklem1872I work at Ford. To be honest. Both engines last a long time. You can’t go wrong with either one. However, if you’re the type to be a bit sloppy with maintenance, I’d go with the 5.0 because turbos don’t like missed oil changes. But otherwise it’s mainly just preference.

[@normbittner3762]

Gotta love in-line sixes!

[@stevehunt9703]

Its half an engine. 6 L V12 would be worth talking about.

[@JROC734]

Well not really. I like I6's, but they have their faults. They're long, they're heavy, and they're generally pretty ugly, even though engine covers help a lot.

[@riogrande163]

​@JROC734 The hurricane has smaller bores to reduce length. Who told you an inlime 6 is inherently heavy? The hurricane isn't thst big and has many plastic and aluminum parts anyways.

[@JROC734]

@@riogrande163 Compromising bore diameter to minimize bore spacing isn't ideal for performance IMHO. Now you're relying on boost to try and make good power. Name a straight 6 that's "lightweight" for the ci's it has? In fact they're generally very heavy whether talking Cummins, or 2JZ, etc.

[@jerrywagner7346]

I had a rental Wagoneer with the 3 liter, I was very impressed with the performance. However the no dip stick thing might be a deal breaker for me.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

I specifically sought out the f150 for the aluminum body and stayed when I test drove a 2.7 and 3.5

[@BuCkYwUcKy123]

1. F150 was long bed 2. Did Andre turn traction control off? 3. Was Andre in 4x4 like the ram?

[@ryanb8736]

A straight six will always win. Thats not even the HO. HO puts trucks into 4’s. Fast. Then you will have tuning too. Dodges best engine choice to date.

[@BuCkYwUcKy123]

@@ryanb8736 Don't disagree, but at least level the playing field.

[@noneyabizz8337]

I6 is a better design than a V6, but I'd wait a few years before I have confidence in the dodge. If we can see a return to I6, that'd be good.

[@benwea76]

It's been out since 2021 in the wagoneer.

[@TomStarcevich-fb3qo]

V6 is a simple good engine I've got it in my ram 🐏 with the 3 .55 gears ⚙️ it tows fine 🙂

[@noneyabizz8337]

@@TomStarcevich-fb3qo V6 is inherently a worse engine than I6, Google can tell you why.

[@TomStarcevich-fb3qo]

@noneyabizz8337 it's a good engine I've got a 2021ram1500 with the v6 it's fine 🙂 👍

[@DrFearCo]

@@TomStarcevich-fb3qothat’s the pentastar v6. Not the same.

[@dylanjones7771]

Ford should bring back the ford I300 and make it a turbo engine

[@poppyneese1811]

Love my 2.7 Ecoboost, my second one, first 94k and not a single problem if you don’t count doors freezing when it got in the 20’s and had been wet, but I think Ford was smart to keep the coyote available, maybe RAM should have done the same, I have a lot of friends that ain’t going to buy a truck that’s not got a V8 under the hood and that’s what they want and that’s all they’ll buy and you know what that’s fine.

[@coltoncj1]

You guys should run a test where you compare fuel economy for the different levels of octane! I’d be really curious to see if higher octane equals better fuel economy and if that increase is overall cheaper!

[@sikniz213]

Guy in the f150 had a weak launch lol gotta keep the same driver for a real 0-60

[@johnkokkas5052]

Everything is good. When it's brand new, we'll see what happens down the road. Could end up being junk like the new Toyota motor. And the new EcoDiesels were great during testing. And we know how they all turned out. Time will tell!

[@omardevonlittle3817]

Lol the hurricane has been in stellantis cars just as long as Toyotas v6 TT... it's clearly a better engine... CLEARLY. The hurricane has been in the wagoneer for over 2 years now. Zero of the issues Yota is having

[@formerice]

My Ecodiesel has averaged over 30 mpg for almost 180,000 mi and been trouble free. Tuned when new. Don't see any reason to trade.

[@truckguy6.7]

@@omardevonlittle3817 Toyota will work out the details surrounding the V6TT. 15 years from now people will be talking about how legendary that motor is. Went through this when Toyota first introduced there V6's back in the day. This is just a small hiccup for them.

[@BobFrailey]

GOT A 2018 3.5 LOVE IT 🏁🏁

[@erik.cowell1277]

My old carburated I6 AMC 258 (4.2 liter) only makes 150 horse power in my 83 jeep. They've come a long way

[@Hoggdoc1946]

Rear axle ratio, and the big mirrors definitely could affect it, but also you need to know how tall the tires are on both vehicles so if you got exactly the same reaction ratio and the same height of tires, there could still be different in the final output ratio of the transmission.

[@27dmarshall]

GM 3.0L Duramax: 305 hp / 495 lb-ft. I get 32-36 mpg on my 33 mile commute. Would buy anything else. Absolutely love the smooooth Inline-6 diesel.

[@mitchstein288]

That's a great engine too. The only downside is the serviceable belt on the back of the engine. My gosh what a bad place to put that.

[@carltongray3302]

@@mitchstein288has a 200k mile service interval

[@dansherwood9851]

Why folks keep bring it up as if most folks will never even see that service.

[@carltongray3302]

@@dansherwood9851 idk lol. They won’t even keep that truck to that amount of mileage unless they’re like a rancher

[@dansherwood9851]

@@carltongray3302 true that and the engine is so good you’ll only need to do it once

[@lawnpro44]

The Ford also has a 6.5 foot bed, the Ram seems to have a 5.5. So there will be a distinct weight difference.

[@cmick8577]

From a previous video, the F150 with all of its aluminum, is probably still 500 pounds lighter even with a slightly longer bed.

[@lawnpro44]

@@cmick8577 My brother has 2018 with a 6.5 foot bed. It's really not that much lighter than a steel 2013. The weight savings might be in an XL model not in a Lariat. The new aluminium trucks have so many more options now than the the older steel models did.

[@cmick8577]

@@lawnpro44 The Ram is also well optioned. Look it up. Apples to apples the curb weight on the Ram is about 600-800 pounds heavier. 9” more bed on the Ram from a 5’7” to 6’4” isn’t erasing that.

[@lawnpro44]

There are no websites that publish the curb weight of a 2025 Ram yet. Not even their own. It might be a touch heavier apples to apples but long box to short box could be a different tale. Either way that 3.0 packs some punch. Sure blows the doors off that 2.7 in the GM. That’s the only other inline that’s close in displacement.

[@gregrowe1168]

Frame is still steel. Aluminum panels have to be thicker than steel because aluminum is less rigid. Still lighter but not as much lighter as you would think.

[@Moonless6491]

waiting to see what recall the hurricane has.

[@teddonley9594]

We've had ours for 2 years with no recalls and no issues. Wife can easily smoke my Ram. We tried a drag race and I gotta tell you, her tail lights are nice lol

[@Bull53]

I like the fact that Ram picked an inline 6. The old trucks from the Early '50's GM were inline 6 cylinders. I grew up with a 1953 Chevy pick up. I was a solid truck.

[@omgcool7206]

Interesting test. Ford has the economy advantage for its gearing (final drive and 2 extra gears), but is disadvantaged by its longer bed (worse aerodynamics). The Ram is advantaged by its shorter bed, but disadvantaged by its tow mirrors (worse aerodynamics) and gearing (higher ratio, fewer gears). All in all, a worthy test as we know it's difficult to line up truly-comparable trucks. Not complaining at all. I suspect if we could have an ideal comparison, slight edge to the Ram, but remarkably close. What tire you use could easily make the difference. At any rate, it's impressive what kind of mileage these giant trucks get. It wasn't that long ago that sedans were getting highway numbers like that. And the Ram is damn quick--even the V6/turbo midsize sedans that people like to call "sleepers" would struggle to keep up. Those aren't sleepers--these ordinary trucks that you see lining every block are the real sleepers. Add in tons of space, comfortable and quiet rides, excellent towing/hauling capabilities... Yeah, trucks are expensive, but they really do it all these days. If I could only have one vehicle, I'd pick a truck with no hesitation. Europe and Asia seem to think we're crazy for this, but I think they'd get it if they were in our shoes. All that said, I'm still a little reluctant on these complex and stressed small turbocharged engines in terms of longevity. Yes, I know Ecoboost has been decent for the last decade, and turbodiesels have been successful forever before that, but simple still tends to be better. I tend to keep my vehicles for a long time, so I went with a tried-and-true N/A engine. Low maintenance and understressed, I have faith it will last a very very long time with minimal attention.

[@riccochet704]

A .75 difference while the Ram has a lower geared rear is pretty good. I'd say that's margin of error for differences in driving style though. I'd still take the Ram over the Ford for the better interior.

[@hellkitty1014]

That Ram was saddled with a 3.92 vs 3.31 for the Ford, in addition to having the tow mirrors which create even more drag. So I agree with your sentiment that the Ram was pretty good against the Ford with marginally worse F/E. Also, the Ford has 42K miles, so it would automatically have an advantage already being broken in against a brand new Ram.

[@M4sterT3ch]

That Ram dash will be trashed in 5 years. I work at an independent shop and see a lot of late teens rams come in with torn up dashes. Don't buy Stellantis. Stick with late 90s to mid 2000s GM trucks.

love these mpg test videos!!

[@tbone9405]

Impressive fuel mileage, I like the ram for power, the ford for mpg.

[@A2J_Tim]

they were basically the same and the ram had a disadvantage with the lower gear ratio rear end which will make it rev higher on the highway. I bet if both trucks had the identical ratio, the ram would have posted better numbers than the ford. Both are nice trucks and I have driven an ecoboost 3.5 on many long trips, its a very nice truck and very comfortable.

[@plmn93]

@@A2J_Tim The Ford would have been faster to 60 with a different rear end too. All in all they seem to be close to a wash for performance and economy. But remember Ford has dual injection to keep the intake clean, a dipstick, and a much better base engine in the 2.7 compared to Ram's 3.6. I do like that you can get 4A on a midlevel Ram, though.

[@danieldornes8416]

Great video, as usual! It was good info that the Ford had an "efficiency minded" rear end, while the Ram had one meant more for towing, I wish they would have actually said what the rear end ratios were on these tested trucks.

[@ivancliff2514]

A mile above sea level is defeated by the turbos. The engine will make the same boost regardless of the elevation. Unless you’re on top of a mountain full boost is achieved.

[@marksullivan8200]

Topping off blocks the vent in the gas tank its not recommended by factory over time it may affect fuel pump

[@truckguy6.7]

Add in the cost of replacing the charcoal canister and it doesn't make much sense to force a few extra ounces into the tank. People should know, it's not a smart thing to do.

[@thunderroad7289]

Let them find out down the road when they have to replace the canister etc lol