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[@duggydo]

These towing videos are the best. No one else comes even close!

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@kfstreich4787]

They have really improved, I enjoy them now.

[@MrTruckTV]

@@kfstreich4787 Thanks

[@Jeff-Vader_head_of_catering]

Agreed!

[@jamessharkey649]

I agree but the guys voice is slowly braking me. Is he polish or somthing 😩

[@TheKacper2001]

The Freightliner even though is 2020 model looks like it's 1998

[@ashes2ashes863]

Especially the gauge cluster. Frieghtliner has been using that gauge cluster since the early 2000s. Amazing how the small pickup truck companies get picked on about that s*** but the big truck companies haven't changed them in decades. That interior is outright outdated. Can we please get some new gauges?

[@wrzl1675]

Us truck drivers do not want anymore fancy electronic’s than we already have, for two reasons 1 the fancy shit breaks and is expensive to repair and takes far too long to repair ( wheels aren’t turning we’re not making money). We don’t care too much about looks, we need aerodynamics to get the best mpg we can get, everything else is second and third thought. That dash isn’t Freightliner, at least not that Autozone lick and stick fake ass “ Wood” . That company bought what is called a “ rolling chassis”.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@ashes2ashes863 dont change what's not broken right? If it works, it works.

[@ashes2ashes863]

@@ALMX5DP yeah I'm all for that generally speaking, and I do like Freightliners trucks a lot. They really are a good all-around product for a good price. It's just amazing to me that they literally haven't changed those in so long. Even if they just change the background color or something. It's almost like they're going for a record and not admitting it.

[@maxracingteam23]

Kacper B that's why I hate them freightliners never update the inside

[@JDMatthias]

Everyone talking bout the freightliner being 180k, I'm looking at a motor less trailer thinking...how is that worth 162k?

[@TrolloTV]

RVs are usually cheap because they’re garbage. Properly fitting a space like that and installing technical components is expensive

[@SuperSYMPATHIZER]

That’s what I’m saying. I drive truck for a living. Mine peterbilt 579 80” bunk price $159k. Has bed refrigerator inverter for coffee pot. microwave. And I’ll yank that little trailer up that with my 565 hp Cummins 2250 torque. In other words kiss my butt freightliner

[@smartass6071]

180K buy's you a million mile motor and a heaver truck. Heavy towing requires a heavy truck. It's not about towing but about stopping all that weight.

[@johnkemp4370]

And you can sell/own them separately vs a motor home where you just take a beating

[@paulwicklund1052]

Ok, next do a video of the Ford F-650. VS the new Chevrolet 650.

[@ARuralVermonterQqjmcb182]

I second that

[@rlj151]

Or either of those against the Freightliner. Be a more direct competitor that way.

[@mikeytoporchak3608]

Sooo shit vs shit?

[@charliefoxworth839]

@@mikeytoporchak3608 dodge fan i take it or aka CUMMINS which is not dodge lol take that away and nothing left of your junky dodge

[@ChrisMason.333]

Yes the new 2020 chevy medium duty trucks are wicked.

[@crice7sh]

You guys really should use the cruise control. That's factored into the engine's algorithm to make sure the driving experience is optimized. If you want to stay at 50, set it to 50 and see what happens with the exhaust brake and the grade shifting. The trucks aren't designed to guess, so when you press the brake it's going to keep slowing until you have to step on it again just like the GMC did. If you tell it what to maintain, it'll maintain it. I think using the cruise control down the mountain would change the scoring technique completely. Don't use it uphill because you have to navigate traffic and stay safe, but nobody will complain about somebody going 50-ish down the mountain with a giant trailer. Everybody likes safety.

[@wildbill23c]

Heck even my 1/2 ton pickup knows to downshift itself going down a hill with the cruise control set, it just does what it needs to maintain whatever speed you tell it to maintain, rather than riding the brakes down the hill the truck maintains speed with the transmission like its designed to do....and my truck is a 2008 Toyota Tundra. I think even my grandfather's 2005 Tundra does that as well, I haven't towed with it so I'm not sure how responsive it is compared to the 08.

[@fordman141]

Freightliner and luxury should never be used in the same sentence...

[@crankychris2]

That's a custom high end conversion on the FL. They start around 75K.

[@michaelbenoit248]

A truck is destined to work, haul sh#t, move sh#t, and shouldn’t cost a sh#t ton of money up front.

[@Elmamaguebo16]

Michael Benoit you’re allowed to curse in the internet buddy

[@yotatrd5.758]

although Pete and KW truly are.

[@BC08]

Have you ever heard of Western Star?

[@ryanmartinage]

I think its a fair comparison. With trucks now up into the 20-30000lb capacities, if you're needing to regularly tow that weight, you should consider a true medium/heavy duty solution.

[@user-wq8bh4ct3u]

A 2020 loaded 180k Freightliner vs. a 5 year old stripped GMC. Might have been worthwhile using the new HD which can tow 10k more lbs.

[@davidharris9259]

G Man 2017 GMC wouldn't that be 3 years old fanboy 10 speed Is not going to make that big of a difference.

[@user-wq8bh4ct3u]

@@davidharris9259 yep my math was off, but it's a completely new truck. And the 10 spd would make a world of difference

[@user-wq8bh4ct3u]

@Mr Sunshines actually dummy, my point went right over your head. Using the completely redesigned 2020 HD would have been much more valid comparison. The latest Freightliner has to offer vs the latest GMC, is the extra 100k worth what you get out of a something specifically designed for hauling.

[@brandedmcgowan9414]

Y'all must forgot that Chevy makes a medium duty 5500 & up Silverado (KODIAK replacement) with live front axle and manual locking hubs but the DuraMax is detuned for longevity and you can look it up.

[@beowulf885]

@@davidharris9259 are you slow? The 10 speed makes a major difference for towing, why do you think most semis have a 10 or 13 speed.

[@MarcMonson]

when you test the 10 speed diesels plz keep a camera constant on the gauges when you start up the hill, even if its a 1/4 size in the corner

[@cat275hp]

This was a great test guys. I own both a 1 ton diesel pickup, and a Freightliner like the one in the test. I have owned the FL (Freightliner) since 2001, and have worn out 4 pickups in that same amount of time. I can tow 900 miles before I need to refuel, the cab is a lot quieter then a pickup, there is so much more elbow room. The combination of air-ride suspension-cab-& seats lets you drive a lot further before you need a rest. There's no bucking or jerking motions while tow with the FL. On one trip, my trailer brakes were not working....I didn't even realize til the trip was over cause the truck could handle it! I'm on my 4th set of tires, but still on the OEM brakes. I have never had a "white-knuckle" ride, even driving in heavy downpours the truck feels planted to the ground. I set the cruise control at 1800RPM in 6th (about 62/63 MPH) and it holds it's speed even on the 7% climbs. Anyone on the fence with deciding between a pickup or an FL....The FL is well worth owning, cause besides many other reasons it will last you 20+ years!

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks, the M2 better insulated and much quieter than the old FL50 and 60

[@BrandonLeech]

A 1-ton DRW is enough capability for the vast majority. A bigger medium duty hauler makes sense if you spend a lot of time on the road to where long haul comfort becomes a bigger deal. Driving all over the country in a pickup truck cab is a little tough to stay comfortable.

[@tylerbonser7686]

This is like comparing a ford ranger to a duramax

[@cameron-w]

The idea of it was to see if you needed such overkill.

[@tylerbonser7686]

@@cameron-w you don't "need" overkill so that statement doesn't really make sense.

[@cameron-w]

tyler bonser True. I was just trying to have it make more sense.

[@MontysMotos]

I love that you guys get your hands on these things for real world tests and actually show us. Unlike TV and magazines which are like "here's the technical specs and our biased opinion based only on the specs and politics." I'm waiting patiently for 6.6 gas vs. 7.3 gas, and if it happened with like a big truckbed camper, that'd be pretty cool. Like a "Payload Ike"

[@billiondollardan]

I love TFL truck. You guys give us such great content! Thanks

[@Idividezero]

He's right, the price here doesn't mean much if you're towing really heavy stuff all the time. The confidence he mentioned cannot be overstated. The Freightliner will hold a grade better, won't break down after 20 steep grades, has MUCH better brakes, air ride (it's not a luxury item if you're doing long haul, it's mandatory), and likely get better fuel mileage. You could very likely spec out one of these M2s with less luxury for a lot less money. Just be careful of the CDL requirement, laws (and tickets) are much more strict for CDL holders.

[@knightwing4]

You guys didn’t say anything about the fuel mileage on the Freightliner going up the hill. What’s up with that?

[@MrChevystroker383]

That over expensive basic ass luxury truck doesn't have any kind of info display on the dash only a trip meter for miles driven 🤨.

[@xNYCMarc]

@@MrChevystroker383 Yes, it does have an MPG readout. Fuel flow has been built into the engine electronics since the early 2000's. They probably didn't know how to access it. "Mr Truck" didn't even know what the regen button does since he gave some false "explanation" @18:45 about it having to do with the DEF fluid.

[@MrChevystroker383]

@@xNYCMarc well I've driven several recent model m2's and they dont have that feature. I own a 06 Columbia and it doesn't have that feature. So how do you access it? I've driven a 2018 cascadia day cab with the same cluster and it's not available on the cluster. There is a whole separate device for it on that truck that sits by the radio.

[@xNYCMarc]

Mr Chevy Nova 6.0 Its accessed by pressing the trip button multiple times until “LEG” appears on the screen, then it will show MPG since the truck was last started. It only works on the rectangular, green dot-matrix displays and the new Cascadia grey screens. If your truck has the 7-segment lcd display, then it won’t work.

[@xNYCMarc]

@@MrChevystroker383 Here is a video of a piece of shit 1998 Freightliner Century. You can see the MPG when the guy gets in the cab. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZyopXWbeqiLbqM

[@Antonyg2100]

Great videos! Love the straight forward head to head tests! Thanks for sharing

[@jessaphillips2846]

Such a shame you guys couldn’t get the new GMC 3500 with the 10 speed

[@TFLoffroad]

We will later this year!

[@georgedoolittle9015]

a Ford F450 would have been a better comparison with the Freightliner. The Duramax is "the War on Terror" engine going on since the 1980s tho but especially the last few years. Hard to beat a GM product at the moment tho I would agree.

[@michaelking1869]

What this test really shows is that the newer one ton dually trucks are capable of medium duty level work when needed. An actual medium duty does the job better overall, but the daily driver one ton can do it. Running a 6.6L with a 3.73 gear against a 9L with a 4.33 gear and the 6.6L handles the job well. Cool video to watch. Thank you.

[@crankychris2]

I would have lost the bet cuz I would have bet on the FL.

[@amandadavis9726]

You gotta consider the difference in weight and tire sizes between the two. People get stuck on 4.33 vs 3.73. You’d have to consider the final ratio of all of that to the ground. In the end, I’d take the FL. The handling, braking, and interior space is a major plus for me.

[@brianb-p6586]

It is pointless to compare axle ratios without also comparing transmission ratios (different, because they are different transmissions) and tire diameters.

[@charlesschultz3357]

We had a FL Sports Chassis back in 2007 and just loved it. Wish we still had it!! Definitely effortless towing!

[@danatkinson6698]

It's nice to see you guys reviewing bigger trucks now. I know it wasn't a super ike test but I'd like to see that someday soon. I'd also like to see what this fancy m2 would be like compared to a used semi truck. Figure a 60k used semi with double bunks, an automatic just to keep things equal (although I'd prefer the semi to have a manual). If you want give me a holler and I'll drive my combination unit out to test against

[@jerrykinnin7941]

I'll take the FLD with the Cummins Jake brake 10 speed roadRanger 390 rears on air ride. Low pro 22.5 tires on Alcoa aluminum. All around even trailer. Should get 10 mpg.needs 2 100 gal fuel tank. full fithwheel hitch. Standard 7way trailer plug. True air disc brakes all around .

[@mminniear984]

The hat rack sold me! 😂

[@keofewer7448]

Your videos and reviews are great. I liked how you called out the actual temperatures on the Freightliner. Please call out the actual temperatures of ALL the trucks you review. I have had my eyes on a Freightliner M2 for a while and will begin working on the Wife to get one.

[@HoosierDaddy_]

Love these towing reviews. Andre and Mr. Truck make a great team!

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@soundmandave21]

So, the GMC was faster up the hill and only needed one brake application coming back down? Gotta say, a loaded dually pick-up makes more sense $ for $. Shoot, you could replace it three times before costing as much as that freightliner...

[@recoblade1465]

But you could get a used class 8 that will tow 60,000lb for around $80,000

[@crankychris2]

FL Mark 2 106's start around 75000...pretty close to an F550 or Silverado 5500. No RV conversion at that price.

[@kylesonsalla7620]

@@ianholt5138 Put a fresh water tank and chemical toilet in a semi, license it as an RV, done. I know many horse people who do it because it's much cheaper buying a 10 year old semi than a dually, and they cost less to run up and down the road.

[@ghenkhoash2440]

And it's 4WD which you can go off roading and camping, and it's small enough to use it as a daily driver and go to downtown and shopping centers!

[@trevyrocks1359]

If you cruize control down the ike in the Duramax, it will keep you at 50mph exactly the whole way.

[@gregparrott]

Trevor Story The test here seems to suggest other than what you claimed. My guess is that the exhaust brake is not strong enough to regulate the downhill speed in 5th gear. But when it downshifted to 4th, the engine RPM at 50 mph was higher than GM wants the engine to experience. So, the speed the Duramax maintained here was a bit slower than the target 50 (~45mph). For 2020, this issue might be largely remedied by the new 10 speed transmission.

[@DonGordito78]

Hello TFL Great vid. Question why not use cruise control when doing these test??? Hope to hear from you. Thanks for the videos keep up the great work. God Bless 👊😇

[@timdatoolman7865]

Andra and Mr. Truck work well together, You could even say they have some "chemistry" on camera. Great vid guys. Even though I will likely never want or need either of these trucks for myself I found the video interesting. Thanks for the great job.

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@Joshua79C]

Who is this Andra? It's Andre.

[@DylanMitchell]

You've had some great reviews and comparisons of specialty vehicles. Like to see how the Freight Shaker compares to an International like the 7400 4x4 with a Cummins. 7400 4x4 is used as a platform for overland builds in the US like the Unicat comfort and GVX. MAN TGM and Mercedes Benz Unimog aren't sold here so the 7400 fills in.

[@rayharmon7254]

I like my M2 over my old 1ton hot shot, the difference in pulling and stopping is unbelievable, only thing better is my new T680

[@Kingcold2002]

Best channel in the world ⛽️⛽️⛽️ Finally a dually vs semi ⛽️

[@timparker6833]

Been waiting for this video thanks guys

[@MrTruckTV]

You're welcome

[@addmoreboostOG]

Love your videos. Question though, aren't the big three's offerings of chassis cab configurations equipped with de-rated engines?

[@brandonmoore9440]

Only ford and ram detunes their chassis cab. The chevy and GMC retain full power.

[@chrisconway6879]

No they don't. GM retains full power in the 3500 chassis cab. All class 4,5, and 6 trucks from all 3 manufacturers are detuned

[@alex042687]

That Freightliner would be a sweet daily driver!

[@John-ms6sd]

Great vid as always

[@firstnamesecondname5341]

For someone from Blighty 🇬🇧 can I add, the scenery was stunningly amazing 😉 👍👍👍👍

[@Shootst-pr7ow]

Not understanding the purpose of trying a 2020 Freightliner vs not even best in class for 2017 Class 3 truck. Seems like a Ford F550 or Ram 5500 would have been a better comparison. Or, maybe the purpose was to sell trailers. ;)

[@ead1017]

It's not about paying for a more luxurious, more comfortable hauler; it's about how many times would you have to replace the GMC before having to replace the Freightliner.

[@Loveduhmusic]

I've never seen someone so excited making a circle before.

[@williamoverton7265]

I think you gentleman are responsible for many M2 sales. Great work!

[@toofastnobrakes]

Please do this but with a Silverado 4500 or 5500! I wanna see how it does

[@praveenp]

I mistaken this as a comparison but it was an advertisement. :-(

[@dom_delacroix7424]

Nice videos guys I enjoy them.

[@OverlandTT]

I don't need a big truck, but this was really entertaining guys - good info and great humour 👍😊

[@mcool4587]

Mr. Truck keep your rig within the white lines. You were swerving all over the place!

[@MrBOB39]

Indeed... That brings up a good point.. Which felt more stable.. With the Much wider stance on the frightliner as well as being a good deal heavier... is then the Frightliner ( or class 5 truck in general ) better and safter for heavier hawling..especially on long distances ??

[@curtisnoble.]

MrBOB39 class 5 and up feel less stable then 1 Tontrucks because of the air ride cabs.

[@dchawk81]

@@curtisnoble. Nah air ride cab (and seat) just means you and your coffee are bouncing. The chassis is still planted on the ground and stable.

[@1BEAVIS13]

I believe it's because he's driving with both hands on the wheel. In my experience, it causes the driver to constantly. correct back and forth.

[@airbus214airplane]

I used to drive these M2's for work. You constantly battle the wheel. It feels like you're driving on marshmallow. Lol

[@backwoodsriders1879]

I want to see more medium duty truck videos. Some of them in the used market are really close to a heavy duty pickup in price.

[@philipchamp594]

When considering tire size is the rear end ratios much different between the trucks?

[@JBMuffinman187]

Do you guys still not engage cruise control? I'd think the problem of dropping down to much in speed would be solved with it.

[@wrzl1675]

A 1 ton pickup should have no problem towing 23k BUT the people that are asking the question you’re referring to want to know, will a 1 ton tow these 35k lbs trailers manufacturers are rating these days. The answer is yes BUT it’s not going to last long and without air brakes, there’s a safety factor The huge difference is that the Freightliner will to 20k all day everyday for 1 million miles and isn’t due for a major maintenance until 500k miles. The pickup will be in junkyard by 200k doing that same, all day everyday

[@errickkitchin36]

This is also big on the price difference. Yes you will pay more now for that Freightliner, but when you think about the fact that the GMC will have to be replaced every few hundred thousand miles you'll save money with the bigger truck in the long run. $180,000 for I million miles $60,000 for 200,000 miles= $300,000 for I million.

[@craigquann]

Sure if you're doing it all day every day and not just a hobby/seasonal thing. Realistically a well equipped dually would be more than enough for the daily activities and how often out of all the miles you drive will it be in this extreme of a situation. I'll pocket the extra $100k+

[@ARuralVermonterQqjmcb182]

Maybe if that pickup is a 6.0 or 6.4 but most other diesel pickups will go 3-400k before the junkyard. Rolling over 340k on my detroit and pops at 500k on his durumax. Price diff isn't worth it

[@shitloveaduck]

I have to agree with the people saying their trucks are lasting 400k even when regularly hauling loads near their max. I’ve seen several survive that long myself. I haven’t owned one that long personally though, just acquaintances. 200k probably isn’t even the max for a gas truck now. Maybe 300k. Take care of them and they last a long, long time nowadays.

[@LucasLeCompteMusic]

I wish you could get a 6.7 Cummins with an Allison transmission in a 2500 or 3500 truck from a dealership. That is the perfect combo!

[@dre04mach]

You can but it's spelled Aisin =P

[@davidaustin9927]

Why when a duramax an allison always win

[@struckwits2068]

These videos are a good idea, very interesting. Love specs for Nerds!

[@soccerslus]

Can't wait to see you re do this test with the 2020 GMC where the toeing ratings are similar to the Freightliner.

[@1tylerproud]

I wonder what the fuel economy on the big Freightliner was

[@adequatejtm7371]

Tyler Proud agree, wish they would of said

[@danatkinson6698]

The truck more than likely didn't have that information to show on the dash like the gmc did. Mpg was probably worse than the gmc though

[@matsherwood6277]

Not good.

[@danatkinson6698]

@@matsherwood6277 actually if you think about the power each truck has and the engine size it's not bad. My semi would probably be 1mpg up that hill with a full load on

[@matsherwood6277]

@@danatkinson6698 I don't consider anything down there to be real good fuel economy haha. Our sterling dump truck has a c12 cat. Gets like 4mpg pretty much regardless of the load I've heard. I guess it's all relative but I don't consider low single digits to be good fuel economy. Haha

[@RyanRKJ]

I like the bed in the back of that Freightliner.

[@VARITHMS]

The 9L is a nice options for the Freightliner. Most non commercial M series come with a 6.7L Cummins.

[@paulherring8208]

Love it keep them coming to tfl

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@Storm-Chaser]

What an awesome comparison! Maybe for a future shootout you could do a Cushman Truckster against a Kenworth W900.

[@brianb-p6586]

So a Cushman Truckster has a 35-ton GCWR, to compare against the 40-ton W900? No, didn't think so. These trucks are reasonably close in capacity.

[@dustinshepard3166]

Really glad yall compared the 2 trucks. To me is not worth spending 100k more when it cant perform any better than a regular 1 ton.

[@ghenkhoash2440]

And it's 4WD which you can go off roading and camping, and it's small enough to use it as a daily driver and go to downtown and shopping centers!

[@pete538]

Man I can say that i70 going through Colorado to vail is tough. I drove a 99 landcruiser without a trailer and it definitely struggled to do 80 at some times. I had it floored on some grades and it accelerated very slow

[@Thirty-OughtSick]

Just drove down the Ike in a 28 foot Class A RV. It was fun. Got to experience the terror.

[@jessefleming9763]

Redo this again with a 2020 GMC dually and see how it goes. The tow ratings on the truck and semi then are basically the same then

[@hihaveaniceday9386]

Power and tow rating might be the same but not the stoping slower , stoping power is as important as anything

[@jessefleming9763]

@@hihaveaniceday9386 absolutely. I'd just like to see how the test would be when 2 trucks with virtually the same ratings but from different classes handle the loads. Of course the GMC would be pushing the limits of itself, and the Freightliner is probably under rated and under stressed, it would just be cool to see. I'm a big believer in buying a little more truck than you need, matching your ratings is one thing but having a truck that can do more than you need gives you more confidence and stops the white knuckle driving

[@chrisbrowne1956]

How that CDL coming Andre?

[@brandonvaughan7477]

Towing is the main reason I got the Eaton 10 speed on my new Pete 337. The Alison are great for dump trucks and around town trips but running down the road the 10 speed is king.

[@robnorth8514]

I will also say that I think you guys did an honest review and a good job. Even though some of the commentary was from a lack of experience and actual knowledge or so it may seem. Sorry if I seem a bit harsh but I am a long haul truck driver (27+ years). I see to many people with these medium duty trucks that shouldn't be driving them. Not saying you guys. They have made this to of truck to drivable for the average person that doesn't have knowledge and skills to handle something of this size and the same applies to new or modern 18 wheelers. Just my opinion. Overall, good video.

[@kens97sto171]

I would like to have known with the fuel mileage was on the m2.. Also the price comparison is not really fair.. You got a base model 3500 dually up against a luxury model class 5. I'm certain you could get a cheaper version of that and you could probably pick one up used. and we all know which one is going to last longer and be easier to service out on the roads. Full access to all of the semi based truck stops and servicing for tires etc. I think if you were going to tow that trailer every once in a while you buy the 3500 Dually and if you're going to do it day-in and day-out you get the class 5. Great video guys

[@NicT09]

You seriously couldn’t use the brand new gmc dually with the 10 speed!!!

[@cm01]

There's just a few pre production models right now. The duallys aren't being mass produced yet so it doesn't suprize me that they couldn't get their hands on one.

[@charlesstanford1140]

NicT09 they are not available for any one to test yet

[@stevenjack23331]

They did in a video I just watched. The GMC got shamed by a Ford and Ram. Ford came in 1st, Ram 2nd and GM last. Ford for heavy hauling and GMC for little lawn mower trailers.

[@dthomas2047]

Great shootout. That M2 is amazing! Good comparison.

[@KurtDiver]

Andre is one of my favorite reviewers on TFL. I’m glad TFL doesn’t pretend he doesn’t speak English.

[@estebanamador7601]

👏👏 for the GMC. Probably better fuel consumption empty, lower empty weight, best truck as a daily truck and 4WD. Could be interesting to know maintenance costs between both trucks.

[@lukediehl1210]

I will never understand horse people. That trailer costs more than my house. Edit: Thanks to everyone who chimed in to correct me. I used to haul horses for a breeder who was nothing but a rich kid playing with daddy's money. And I know a local guy who plays at being a rancher. He's actually a doctor who plays polo on the weekends. I guess I've just had bad luck meeting owners with less sense than their horses

[@mecalpsha4473]

It is millionaires that own these not normal people like myself with horses as not very many are going to have $250,000 for a truck/trailer.

[@scottleggejr]

It's a tax deduction. The horse activities are owned by a business that operates at a loss. Horse people pretty much exclusively do business with other horse people where/when they can. These trailers and trucks are baller for capital depreciation. If you want a solid truck, get a used horse trailer tow rig. They never mess with them and buy/sell often.

[@wilburfinnigan2142]

Luke NOPE !! ! Not all horse people, just a few that want a write off for a business !!!! You can get a good 3 horse trailer that will get the job done for 10 grand and you sure as hell do not need a 160,000 truck to pull em.......and REAL horse people would not drag that thing up a forest service road to ride in the mountains !!! That rig won;t fit in 99% of mountain campsites in a HORSE camp !!! Spent 30 years riding the mountains and never had a rig like that !!! Seen some idiots try to drag those up into a mountain camp and get hung up !! ! Those rigs are for the show snobs that "camp" in a flat parking lot at a horse show !!!

[@01trsmar]

My house is $1,600,000.....Depends where you live in the Country and even so what type of house you have..people are all different income brackets.. Don't worry,I don't even own a new truck,nor a personal truck of my own(business has a few trucks I use when needed)..I do have 3 cars that are 2017 to current year but also 24 cars 1956-1972 (do own one 1978 one 1979).Car collector and restorer..

[@bigblocklawyer]

I was involved with a girl who was into paint horses. I got an interesting look into the world of show horses. The biggest take away from all the time Inwas involved? There are very few people who mess with horses who make money at it. Vices fund animals that cost a fortune to maintain and own.

[@joechrisman8257]

I didnt catch the mpg on Freightliner pulling up hill. Thanks great video

[@ScotWalt858]

Nicely done!

[@Natemire]

Can we stop calling that freightliner a semi. It's not. It's a medium duty truck usually used at a box truck by companies like Ryder or Penske.

[@BlueDually4x4]

Actually you can get the M2 cab with tandem drives and a 5th wheel hitch rated at 80,000 pounds.

[@Natemire]

@@BlueDually4x4 I've never seen tandom drives, but I have seen that set up with a single drive. However, I used the word "usually" in my original comment for that reason.

[@123paisa]

BlueDually4x4 yup that was my first truck at my current job m2 with 3 axels

[@curtisnoble.]

Nate Quickmire I’ve seen many M2s 3 axles. Usually for local deliveries. Or regional,

[@jackdaniels2657]

But its got a semi body

[@arc5040]

I got bored with all the jumping around, brake test, trailer, brake test, trailer, engine, brake test, trailer

[@andymckee1215]

What about adding fluid temperature change during uphill tow? Would be nice to know what engine and transmission temperature is at the top. Doesn't help to get there in 8 minutes if you are overheating.

[@dommm111]

Mr Truck is BACK

[@SoWeird4U]

Why not take something with more power for the 1 ton comparison, like the 1000 torque Ram 3500? i think then it would be neck and neck competition rather than an old GMC. But i guess the sponsor has to sell those big haulers right?!

[@montycrain5783]

The Freightliner has an available 500 hp 1800 ft lb Detroit Diesel.

[@nate4036]

Love my M2 even though it’s a standard cab, flatbed.... it does everything you need it to do. Dependable as can be. If running a company that pushes the ratings of F450-550, just make the jump and go with a real medium duty rig. I feel they’re more dependable than the offerings in lighter duty trucks.

[@neilhoogendoorn8045]

I have heard that your standard cab will actually do more than a 4 door due to less weight on a shorter frame, shorter frame less likely to stress crack over time. Also you probably have allot better turning radius.?

[@nate4036]

@@neilhoogendoorn8045 it turns like my crew cab f450 which is definitely enough. You can turn around in a typical subdivision culdesac towing a 24’ tag trailer. It’s hard to beat that. My F250 doesn’t come close to a wide track steering system.

[@l0g_fn]

These towing videos are the best. No one comes close

[@dchawk81]

Wish you would do a summary at the end with the times and such. By the time I got to seeing the Freightliner I forgot what the GMC did.

[@derekcomingo2197]

why didnt you use the 5500 or 6500 (Kodiak) to compare with Freightliner

[@kylesonsalla7620]

Because that's not what they're trying to compare

[@derekcomingo2197]

@@kylesonsalla7620 ? so what they trying to compare? 18 wheeler to a pickup? thats what i saw

[@kylesonsalla7620]

@@derekcomingo2197 How a dually can do it, but a medium duty does it better.

[@elbigmike8658]

Why is the comparison done between a 2020 Freightliner a 2017 duramax? Why can’t it be down with a 2020 Duramax.

[@IVAO04ify]

Why are we comparing a Class 5 Truck vs Class 3? One clearly is better. It's like comparing a freaking Semi to a Ford Ranger.

[@truckerjoey407]

It is not a semi

[@zxej6879]

@@truckerjoey407 "Semi" is a class designation for vehicle that is a tractor trailer combination vehicle. A cab and chasis can be a "Semi" from class 3 to class 8. The Freightliner and similar tractors are a different beast than a pickup. And will go a million or 2 miles in better shape than the Chevy. My people tow trailers way toooooo fast. The Freightliner will tow your 5th wheel "Mega" trailer more comfortably. But will not fit in the drive thru at Starbucks or McDonalds like a SRW Chevy, Ford , or Ram will.

[@BC08]

ZXEJ Lol, all of the new OTR trucks start falling apart at 350K. Freightliners are the most reliable, then Volvo, then the Paccars, then International. You must not have much experience with a large fleet, body/interior wise they are all very chintzy.

[@zxej6879]

@@BC08 All depends on what the fleet orders. Drove for C.R. England in 1994. Have driven various trucks since 1973 when I worked at a plant for truck bodies, roll offs, and trailers. Currently work for a City/County. Drive various trucks when the regular drivers are not a available. My pay class is 50% higher than a driver. I am still qualified as a driver. But certified in technical skills as my primary job. I had a 2006 Ford pickup throw a serpentine belt on Christmas Eve night. The vehicle had only 29k miles. But things rot from age. When I worked for CalTrans. My crew washed and checked all the trucks once a month. That way, the trucks used only on occasion. Were just as loved as the frequently used trucks. Take pride in your ride. Even if it belongs to someone else.

[@62ericg]

I don’t know jack about towing but I’ve driven heavy duty pickups and freight liner M2s as ambulances and the freight liners are a dream to drive. They handle so much better, have better visibility, better turning radius, more realible, and more comfortable to drive.

[@tomfommber]

Driven a lot of Internationals. Enjoyed them. But always looked forward to some time in a Freightliner.

[@michaelteeple8704]

Did I hear him say 2017 GMC. A lot changed since then.

[@minhajsyed9874]

Don't think that much would have changed for the chassis cab

[@LuisSS0618]

@@minhajsyed9874 10 speed

[@jamespenner1412]

Really? The inside looks the same, power is the same just I diff tranny and sheet metal

[@Dunki113]

But let's be honest, the average guy/girl probably wouldn't get a brand new truck for work because they can pay off a used truck faster than a newer one

[@marketshare5273]

Michael Teeple kind of a low budget whatever we could get to test to show off their new 2000

[@Garth2011]

MPG on the 9.0 Cummins ? The hill climb speeds were basically equal. I'd spend the $60,000 vs. $170,000. Maybe no MPG on the trucks computer? LOL

[@jackdaniels2657]

So for 120,000 your telling me i can buy 2 chevy silverados i mean 2 silverados can tow as much as 50,000 pounds of cargo tpgeather witch means more towing then the one freight liner

[@codyceynar2041]

@@jackdaniels2657 no a freightliner can haul over 80k

[@jackdaniels2657]

@@codyceynar2041 but he said this one in particular wasnt able to tow 80,000

[@jackdaniels2657]

@@codyceynar2041 im comparing price for price. If u bought 2 silverados for 160,000 you will be able to tow 60 thousand pounds combined.

[@chasedirtbike4155]

Nobody turns around when you are driving the cheapo chevrolet,. they all turn around when you pull in with a freightliner, probably the biggest reason to get on is penis envy.

[@ricwestdoesitwork]

Great review totally enjoyed it. I could never justify the money for the Freightliner. I had a heck of time getting the wife to let me upgrade to my GMC 1 ton SRW truck to tow our 5th wheel. Thanks for sharing Andre, Kent and TFL.

[@MrTruckTV]

You're welcome

[@Joshua79C]

Maybe a lottery win would help you out and convince the wife to let you go bigger for better ride and handling and longer time on the road. But I should add your better of going with the more luxurious SportChassis over the commercial grade Summit Hauler trying to be a SC, both are around the same price and you get more with the SportChassis

[@maxracingteam23]

First video I clicked on this morning let's go!!

[@55afishead]

That pour Duramax really struggled.

[@aichasoufari1318]

It did really well!

[@nickroberts4586]

SUMMARY-= THE 200K TRUCK SUMMITED AT 35MPH AND THE CHEAP CHEVY SUMMITED AT 43MPH. !!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOOOOO CHEVY

[@calculator5909]

Gooo Chevyyyy! Straight to the junkyaaaaard!

[@southpaw9339]

@@calculator5909 thats because the medium duty and heavy duty trucks are Derated in HP to improve longevity of the engines. 500k to 1 million miles.

[@SomeTechGuy666]

@@southpaw9339 The ISL in the frieghtliner was rated at 350/1150. You can get 450/1250. The GM was 445/910.

[@dazednconfusedrn]

Calculator ew confederate flag 🤮

[@alexzepol1]

Like this review with the Freightliner!

[@irvingv4177]

You guys are the biggest names in truck reviews

[@deltadcrouse]

Another great video with my favorite Russian and of course mr truck

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@deltadcrouse]

You are one cool cowboy 🤠 great video as always would love to see more mr truck rescues save those fast lane boys lol

[@MrTruckTV]

@@deltadcrouse Thanks

[@MrTruckTV]

@Mitch09 Thanks

[@ashes2ashes863]

So I would need a CDL, have almost 30% more engine for hardly any more torque and less horsepwer, and not be able to park it as easily at the homestead when im home. Another thing they kind of glanced over was the fuel economy. They didn't seem to want to stay and how much fuel the Freightliner used to climb up that hill. I'm going to guarantee you it's a lot more than the GMC did and that's why it wasn't brought up. I think the Freightliner is a nice truck but I think the GMC honestly outclassed it as a working man's truck. Not to mention if you have a CDL you're going to drive a full-size truck and not a toy. If you don't have a CDL then you're going to need something like the GMC anyway. So it's sort of a stupid competition. And I really couldn't get over the fact that the GMC was a three-year-old model and they changed so much in 3 years. I don't think that was an accident. What I would like to see is that same Freightliner truck with the Detroit Diesel being compared to the Cummins version. That would be interesting to me.

[@ZachsAdventures290]

You need a CDL to drive the Sierra in that setup.

[@mraycgz]

Not to mention an extra $100,000

[@ashes2ashes863]

@@ZachsAdventures290 Thats what I would have tbought. It's scary to think that just any weekend warrior would be out there Towing that kind of weight around.

[@ashes2ashes863]

I'll write the down... Just as soon as im done parking this medium class rig at Wal-Mart and walking to my home because it doesnt fit in my driveway. But, hey, I tow horses so I needed a plush Freightliner.

[@andrewandrew9856]

@Mr Sunshines you must be jobless worthless hill Billy all you do is comment on everyone else's shit get a damn job erka durka

[@TexanSilverado]

on your turn radius test, do you guys check to see if the trucks start facing the same exact point because that will greatly affect the outcomes of the radius......im asking because in the video they didnt seem to be looking the exact same way for reference

[@mdocod]

That little upshift/downshift button on the shifter would give you the ability to modulate speed on the downhill without touching the pedals.

[@dragon-lf9ow]

I'd take the gmc

[@gucciyamaha250]

To the ram 3500 high output vs the summit hauler

[@blackhatter011]

Stop calling it a ram, it's a FIAT.

[@ouch1011]

The reason that the Freightliner is rated with less horsepower and not substantially more towing capacity than the Chevy is because its built to be worked at near 100% of its rating all day every day. The engine output and towing rating on modern "heavy duty" passenger trucks (really light duty in the grand scheme of things) are just advertising and penis measuring between the big 3 and are not really indicative of what the truck should be used for on a daily basis. Ratings on medium and heavy duty trucks are usually much more conservative since they may be loaded at or near those limits for most of the truck's life. I haven't looked recently, but I know that older versions of the Ford, Chevy and Cummins diesels were rated for lower output in the medium duty trucks than in the passenger trucks. I remember back when the Ford/Navistar 6.0L was still being used, the reliability of that engine in (unmodified) medium duty trucks was much better than in the F-series trucks, because they had a lower output rating. Durability is also a necessity since any breakdown or repair not only costs money to fix but will usually cost income due to the truck's downtime. Bigger displacement diesels (any many other that are for industrial use) are built for torque at low RPM, since that is what is needed to get a heavy load moving from a stop. Top speed and acceleration aren't as important, and keeping the engine speed low helps with durability. Are 1-ton passenger trucks technically capable of dragging that much weight up and down a hill? Yes. Should they be used for that purpose often? Certainly not. In perfect circumstances where everything is ideal, it will technically complete the task for life of the truck, although using it like that will make for a pretty short lifetime. In less than ideal circumstances or emergency situations, it will fail horribly. A trailer that size on a 1-ton truck will bully the truck all over the place. High wind? You're going on a white-knuckle ride all over the highway. Need to stop fast? Hope your trailer brakes are in amazing shape, because the truck isn't going to stop that much weight. Trailer brakes failed or just not that great? Hope there is a runaway truck ramp nearby. A medium or heavy duty truck will do fine under those circumstances, even when loaded to their rated limit. People seem to think that just because their truck has enough power to pull a load up to a certain speed that it is totally fine at that speed, but they don't seem to take into account what will happen when something unexpected occurs or how much stress they are really putting on the components of the truck by doing that. If you're only going to tow that much weight very occasionally, stick with a passenger truck. If you need to tow that much regularly, get a medium duty truck and tow that load safely and reliably. To the person who was comparing V8 vs I6 diesels, the I6 is probably a better choice for most truck applications since you want a lot of displacement per cylinder for low end torque. It also simplifies the intake, exhaust and turbo design. Most passenger truck diesels are V-engines for packaging reasons. I6 engines are hard to fit in a truck (or any other vehicle) unless it was designed for it (like the Dodges that put the radiator much further forward and have clearance specifically made in the firewall and cowling) In most cases, if a truck will fit a V8 gas engine lengthwise, it will fit a V8 diesel too.

[@jamespaul3622]

I’m pretty sure that the Allison 3200 and 3300 HD transmissions are actually a 10 speed transmission with it being displayed as a 6. Gears 1 and 2 have multiple gears in them, but aren’t noticeable when unladen or at higher accelerations. We run Peterbilt and Kenworth medium duty (337 and T370’s) with these transmissions, and you can feel some shifting in those gears when “crawling” (33K pound GVWR, running around 32K loaded weight driving up snowy driveways with chains on with the transmission locked in second gear) The regen switch is used when the truck needs to do a regen. You should get an alert on the dash when it needs one, then you pull over and switch it on. It should also do a passive regen when running down the highway, or even when stopped depending on exhaust temperatures. We ran a couple of M2’s back in the day. They were reliable mechanically. Electronics were garbage, interior fitment was poor at best and they were loud as all getup. Good to see that nothing has changed with them. Still even using the same gauges as our even older FL70 and FL80’s!