Thalassa Gramarye confronts Roger Retinz [Thalassa's Story Pt. 2]

[@debastiansebeste]

Expect to see Part 3 on Tuesday. Meanwhile, enjoy this lovably toxic interaction between two magicians :p EDIT: Part 1 kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3ebh4WbrbOgoas Part 3: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipjMdmimgNuaerc

[@Devilsblight86]

This one felt GOOD. He was all like "I beat the Gramayres!" but had no idea that Apollo, the lawyer who got him sent to prison, is a Gramayre.

[@SorenDaein]

The ultimate "joke's on you" scenario.

[@okayjection]

You know, of the three, this one has to be my favorite because it finally ties something that bugged the hell out of me together. As much as I loved 6-2, I was baffled by the way it talks about Magnifi like he was some caring magician who just wanted Retinz to appreciate the art and not get caught up in glory. The way you portrayed it here is legit my headcanon now because it makes way more sense if those events played out like this where Magnifi was still being a godawful person about it

[@debastiansebeste]

I mean, I'm sure Magnifi's main concern would be that his Troupe's reputation doesn't get tainted. Which is why he even ousted Retinz when he disobeyed orders, and which is why he hid the fact that Thalassa had been shot. The dude didn't want anything negative to be heard and ruin the Troupe's public image. No matter what Trucy said at the end of Retinz's trial, there's no way Magnifi ever did anything out of pure idealism imho

[@darkkirb206]

Well, I figured that we would be seeing the “Ratings Rajah” in this series. And he’s just as much of a petty, obsessive psycho as he was before he was arrested. It’s incredibly satisfying to see the reveal that it was a Gramarye that ruined all his plans for revenge and gave him exactly what he deserved for what he did. Delusions of grandeur seems to be a common theme with the antagonists in this franchise. Looking forward to seeing the Valant episode next.

[@themastermindvigilante4029]

Where he’s right is the fact karma doesn’t exist if you don’t provoke it itself, we seen it several times in Ace Attorney where some criminals escaped their crimes unpunished before finally get their karma (like Von Karma, lol) because Wright and co were here. But what Retinz did to Trucy is the exact same thing Valant did to Zak. He made an innocent boy, who believed in him, impersonating him and killing him in a magic trick just for the purpose of framing her for murder. It’s not retribution for Magnifi’s crimes, it’s just cold-blooded murder. Of course Magnifi is one of the shittiest person in Ace Attorney serie and he should have deserved his karma for everything he did for the sake of fame but still, murder can’t justify this...murder will never be justified. It’s still funny to see all the persons related to the Gramarye’s Tragedy are all criminals acting only on selfish interests. It’s like the whole symbolism of this family.

[@sodasaintcommentaries4054]

I think deep down, Retinz knows the truth. He just doesn't want to admit it. Thalassa is a better person to be willing to still treat him like a human being after what he's done.

[@cyberbitterdragon]

Thalassa: Why you're hostile towards me? Also Thalassa: mocking Retinz for being convicted thanks to her lawyer son lmao

[@debastiansebeste]

To be fair, Retinz opened fire first, she simply returned it xD

[@cyberbitterdragon]

yeah dw man, you are probably better than Yamazaki's team at writing them lol

[@debastiansebeste]

@@cyberbitterdragon xD I doubt that, but still thank you for your kind words 😁

[@DarkstarArchangel]

I've said this before and I will say it again. Roger Retinz would've made a Great Persona-5 villain.

[@debastiansebeste]

Shido have fear, Roger Retinz's here

[@simplycurios9776]

The Calling Card will be special for Retinz. Instead of the classic red card, he will get a 4-colored card, red and black on one side, yellow and blue on the other. As for the message, it would be this. "To Roger Retinz, the king of fame, we accuse you of the sins of Greed, Envy, and Obsession. You took the hearts of many and tonight, we'll take them back, for a great injustice has fallen on your hands!"

[@aarava1176]

although this is my first time seeing this Retinz guy, I have a pretty good grasp on his character. so, never doubt your ability in writing their dialogue. the whole interaction was pretty good, a child making up for her cruel parent's wrongdoings one person at a time. it is endearing but doesnt change the fact that most of their lives have been drastically changed (often for the worst) because of it. cant wait for part 3.

[@debastiansebeste]

I finished playing Spirit of Justice yesterday, and all I can say is I loved it! Retinz is from that game, and I fully recommend it 😁

[@aarava1176]

@@debastiansebeste oh for sure, I'm in the middle of DD so I'll see after that

[@shadowstar8619]

7:19 "You dare speak to me of justice?" Uh, kinda hard NOT to, buddy-boy! It's literally the name of her son and his father!

[@debastiansebeste]

Haha finally someone noticed xD To be honest, I originally had him tell Thalassa "You... The mother of Apollo Justice... Dare speak to me... of justice!?" But I decided it was too unnecessary and much better to leave it to the interpretation of the viewer, so I cut it xD

[@shadowstar8619]

@@debastiansebeste That's fair XD She's both the widow *and* mother of "Justice." If anything, Retinz has no right speaking ill of Thalassa and her kids. Kinda surprised it took him that long to realize that Trucy's attorney *just might* have been related to Thalassa's late first husband. Maybe it was just because Apollo styles his hair differently, but you'd think Retinz would have a small "you look familiar" moment because Apollo has Jove's face; almost a perfect carbon copy, in fact (which only becomes more blatant when his spikes get wet lol).

[@RedRiotGamez]

HOLY HELL! GET EM THALASSA! I am very excited for Valant. This could either end very well or very bad. Because do not forget, it is canon that Valant has (or had) a crush on Thalassa. So I am very excited to see what happens between the two.

[@debastiansebeste]

Oh trust me, I know very well about Valant's crush xD

[@AshNRoses4409]

Really, your writing is amazing! (I'd say better than certain point of the game) I loved their interaction and can't wait to see what goes down with Val!

[@HerlockSholmesREAL]

The whole thing is just spectacular wow... Thalassa meets a specific *mysterious* magician. I love the characterization and how it fits everyone. And Retinz learning that he was defeated by a person related to Trucy is satisfying. The sprites look gorgeous too. Hoping to see the last one! And Retinz is definitely part of my "love to hate" characters alongside Dahlia, Kristoph, and Calisto. Thanks for high effort videos 😊

[@debastiansebeste]

And thank you for watching! Also full agree, I like Retinz mostly because he was as petty as Kristoph Gavin, but still on a believable level. The dude was the definition of the lovably hateable villain xD

[@WatatsukiNoToyohime]

Heh Mysterious

[@queencancerous5332]

Roger would definitely have Black Psyche Locks

[@simplycurios9776]

Hehehe, Can't hide from your own soul, Retinz. - Phoenix Wright

[@connordanielson8833]

Love the way you wrote the characters. Especially in the flashback.

[@LizzieourWorld]

Yes, IN YOUR FACE RETINZ, you have not beat the Gramaryes

[@debastiansebeste]

He didn't even come close, out of all the faces he burned on his cape, 2 of them are still alive, Magnifi killed himself and Zak was murdered by Kristoph. I can't even understand why Retinz was proud of that moment in his breakdown xD

[@LizzieourWorld]

@@debastiansebeste Yeah XD To quote the Judge in 3-2, “I fail to see why the witness was proud of his performance that evening.” 😂

[@CorvusTheII]

Retinz being under fire, I guess his conviction by Apollo made him realize that his revenge against the Troupe Gramaryes were all for nought (Despite working as a lawyer, Apollo rightfully deserved being part of Troupe Gramarye)

[@debastiansebeste]

His Perceive ability was quite good for tricks after all (just look how his mom utilised it for her own tricks on stage :p)

[@simplycurios9776]

Go check part 1

[@simplycurios9776]

​@@debastiansebesteThat ability runs in the family, after all.

[@tonim.8016]

1:08 that's a Megamind easter egg right there

[@Qweras85]

It seems I gave my praise too soon, as it became even better than the last one! ;) In all seriousness tho, when that variation played as the conversation kept escalating, damn was it good. I'll spare my preaches for now knowing that we have an epic finale to look forward to.

[@foxbluereaver7457]

Man, this one felt SO CATHARTIC! I was disappointed that Retinz didn't get to know Apollo was Thalassa's son, so in the end he was brought down by a Gramarye. And really, he's so unrepentant that he still blames the Gramarye Troupe for ruining his career, when it was his own arrogance and recklessness that got him booted off.

[@MCMIVC]

I waited to watch all these until they were all out. I'm very happy about how this turned out! Great work as always!

[@michelleanderson5244]

You go, Thalassa! This strong woman lost her livelihood and family not once, but twice, and still remained resilient. Mr. Robert Downey Jr Wannabe over here has no right to talk to her about losing everything. (Boohoo, dude, it was a magic gig. Move on.) By the way, good to see Jacques Portsman is doing his community service by closing out these videos.

[@debastiansebeste]

Glad you enjoyed the vid! Roger could learn a thing or two from Thalassa about mental resilience :p As for Portsman, he was lucky I absolutely loved his countless animations, and now he's permanently hired as the channel's outro-man 😂

[@CorvusTheII]

Calling Retinz an "RDJ" wannabe made me chuckle, well done with how you described him

[@anthonydeadman]

Magnifi Gramarye is still a horrible person though. Reus is completely justified in hating him if nothing else.

[@godzillayaz]

All I wonder right now is how did Thalassa Gramarye got in contact with Phoenix Wright and what does she feel about him back then and now, after the truth of the two kids are now out... Anyway, awesome job as always you're the best :D

[@debastiansebeste]

Thanks mate! Well, given all the work Phoenix did to help reunite Thalassa with her children, and the fact that Thalassa is depicted as a good person, I'm sure she'd keep seeing Phoenix in a good light and they'd be good friends

[@godzillayaz]

@@debastiansebeste Yeah no joke, these two would be gud friends aight i wonder how did Phoenix even found Thalassa discovering that she's alive

[@debastiansebeste]

@@godzillayaz I'm afraid that's just one of the many unanswered questions Phoenix left us at the end of Apollo Justice :/

[@godzillayaz]

@@debastiansebeste plot twist: Phoenix is one of those capcom devs that like leaving cliffhangers XD

[@debastiansebeste]

@@godzillayaz lmfao that wouldn't even surprise me xD

[@jakubrejak1114]

Excellent! Hoping to see more of Magnifi and Zak in the flashbacks!

[@kingofthegundam7974]

OMG this was as perfect as it can be... I'm going to subscribe now. Thanks for this video!

[@debastiansebeste]

Thank you! And thanks for the sub! Hope you'll like Part 3 too 😁

[@Typicalmarksman8958]

Thalassa: It was quite heart breaking to see what happened to little Rogie after all these years

[@ceresco_]

Retinz saying "gramarye" has the same energy as crocker saying "fairy godparents" Bro is def insane but I like to make fun of characters like him

[@debastiansebeste]

Yeah he's too petty for his own good, on Kristoph Gavin's "WRIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT" levels xD

[@LizzieourWorld]

Man, why do I now have ideas in my head 😂😂😂😂 “There’s only one logical explanation for how I was exposed! GRAMARYE!”

[@Topaz_Estrella]

Yes!! So excited for part 3 to come out! I'm a big fan lol

[@cheukyinglau8011]

That's right, Roger Retinz! You've been defeated by...a Gramarye (i.e. Apollo Justice)!

[@Monhamd1000]

She would have her own reality show ngl

[@debastiansebeste]

Can easily imagine the title Thalassa Gramarye: Ace Magician xD

[@Monhamd1000]

@@debastiansebeste Super accurate besides Mia Fey: Ace Attorney.

[@santiagorodriguez2940]

Absolutely brillant btw, this point you made (or this point Reus makes) at 4:55 is another reason to believe the "accident" was caused by Magnifi himself, no?

[@debastiansebeste]

Not gonna lie, I admit that I did have your "Magnifi did it" argument in my head while making the video xD

[@imarandomsella.]

THESE VIDEOS MASTERPIECE AFTER MASTERPIECE

[@戸沢アヒル]

Omg, that was so satisfying! I know, due to the (stupid) non-spoiler policy Retinz will probably never find out that Polly is a Gramarye, but I wish he would - for exactly that reaction. Btw, part 1 was amazing as well! I want them to finally reveal it. (I know, no-spoiler policy and such, but... come on... please!) But I'm always wondering how they would do it - and I think your version was just perfect.

[@debastiansebeste]

Thank you, Retinz definitely deserved a longer closure that we unfortunately neve got :( Glad you liked my version 😁

[@theRealSnake61]

Loved it ! Where do you get the voices from ?

[@debastiansebeste]

The objection lol discord server

[@eereree]

SHE SAID THE LINE!!!

[@debastiansebeste]

Wait, which one? xD

[@eereree]

“My death was… greatly exaggerated”

[@debastiansebeste]

@@eereree aaaaaah that one 😂

[@UltraAfroman]

This honestly, in my opinion, made me wish we could see more of Roger Retinz (Mr. Reus) as the final main antagonist.

[@debastiansebeste]

He truly had lots of potential and was thrown away for a mid case imho

[@Veriox22]

The legend is back

[@muaddib5079]

Love seeing thalassa motherly side❤

[@WatatsukiNoToyohime]

Roger Retinz,or as we know Retin' Rajah which is basically may heard as Raja Rating.Where is the Raja in some languange mean kings.Also despite his name as Mr.Reus Also may sound as Mysterious.Capcom really did it this time lol. FR,Gramarye final enemy is basically him.Seeing him getting roasted by Thalassa made me fall of my chair lol.Too bad though we didn't see Thalassa Lamiroir had a conversation with Reus in detention center.Watching this literally satisfying after those cases that linked with Gramarye now are over! Kinda upset they catch Rogerz easily , unlike Ga'ran and Dahlia who've escaped many years after their crimes. Rogers really need to be main antagonist!

[@WatatsukiNoToyohime]

Fr tho KZbin? I wrote that 3 paragraph comment and you just yeet it out from existence?

[@debastiansebeste]

@@WatatsukiNoToyohime lmao true, it yeeted my reply to your comment as well. I have no idea what happened

[@ZenokweiAka]

Raja does mean King in Indonesian…

[@powerbolt2846]

i just realized...wouldn't apollo be in khura'in when part 1 happened? he left after SOJ and it was AFTER that when pheonix and lamiroir had the talk

[@debastiansebeste]

Uh oh my façade has been unveiled, I'm busted yet again xD Yeah that's true. I made this vid when I hadn't yet finished Spirit of Justice completely (I knew about Phoenix and Thalassa's dialogue through spoilers alone) so I didn't know Apollo stayed in Khura'in in the end. I suppose it would be set better if Phoenix took Thalassa and Trucy to Khura'in to visit Apollo instead of the whole ordeal taking place in the Anything Agency. Though it's too late to change that now 😅

[@powerbolt2846]

HOW did you know about pheonix and thalassa's talk before you knew about apollo being in khurain?

[@debastiansebeste]

@@powerbolt2846 I had done some extensive google searches on all of Thalassa's appearances for my video, and her cameo at the end of SoJ came up. So I tunnel visioned and checked only the dialogue's quotes that I needed xD

[@kingofthegundam7974]

@@debastiansebeste *OBJECTION!* Checking Part 1 again, Phoenix said that he gathered Trucy and Apollo for their meeting with Thalassa. We could surmise that Phoenix called Apollo and he flew to Japan. Therefore, it doesn't contradict Spirit of Justice's ending!

[@debastiansebeste]

@@kingofthegundam7974 there is the problem, though, that Apollo was to stay in Khura'in for some time without returning to the States even briefly. At least that's what I got from his dialogue with the others

[@jokodihaynes419]

cool cant wait for the final reunion

[@TickTack274]

Woah, i like your videos. You're pretty good at making the characters feel like his versions of the games (I don't know if makes sense, im still learning this language) while me, i suck at it. Well maybe the problem is that i haven't play most of the games like, i played the first game until turnabout goodbyes, JFA i finished it, im still playing TAT, i'm in turnabout corner of AJ, turnabout remniscence for AAI1, and the rest i haven't played.

[@debastiansebeste]

Thank you for watching! Hmm, I see. You're played parts from many games but finished only JFA. I've finished the trilogy (PWAA, JFA, T&T), Apollo Justice, Dual Destinies, Spirit of Justice and the two investigations games. To be honest, that has helped me understand the characters better 😉

[@TickTack274]

@@debastiansebeste yeah, like, my problem is that my phone is old and i play in emulator and if i download DD Or SoJ my phone literally dies xd..

[@debastiansebeste]

@@TickTack274 :( Don't you have a desktop computer? They usually run the emulators nicely

[@TickTack274]

@@debastiansebeste well yeah, but its also old. I mostly used it to make my videos. Like, i do my thumbnails in paint xd.

[@debastiansebeste]

@@TickTack274 I feel your pain. I had the same 2010-model pc for 10 years until I got a job and gave 2 of my monthly salaries to get a new and respectable pc. Hope you get a new one soon, mate 🙏

[@icypika]

Further proof in the court record Magnifi is literally the worst

[@PhoenixTamer-n7h]

ngl i wanna see retinz have a character arc

[@GetSurgeD22]

I have a question, at 3:45, how did u manage to put 3 characters in 1 pair? 1 pair only has 2 available characters so can you tell me how to make a 3 person pair?

[@debastiansebeste]

Trade's secret 😈 Just kidding. Thalassa's sprites are just pop-ups in these particular frames put over the paired Zak and Valant

[@GetSurgeD22]

@@debastiansebeste ah okay

[@markvd1008]

5:02 Did I never hear this part of the song before until now? Is this a custom extension?

[@debastiansebeste]

It's the OST version. Check it here kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWGZo4aYadOUj5o

[@markvd1008]

@@debastiansebeste Huh, I did not know that. I thought only Objection 2016 got that treatment from the playlist I seen in the past.

[@opii9163]

Suberp, as the last was!

[@Sophie.St.2004]

Nice Video

[@MellowMerrin]

Code doesn't work for retinz

[@debastiansebeste]

That's the only Retinz I have. Soz

[@tatopotato.2313]

3:42 Why is there three characters instead of two?

[@debastiansebeste]

Trade's secret 😉 Just kidding, I turned Thalassa's sprites into pop-ups and put her over paired Zak and Valant

[@itzwaluigitime8678]

WHY DIDN'T SHE TELL HIM ABOUT THE BLACKMAIL DOOOOE

[@debastiansebeste]

The way I saw it, she didn't want to give him any breeding ground for justifying his hatred for the Gramaryes, as telling him how much of a jerk Magnifi really was would be like proving to Retinz that he wasn't completely wrong. You could say it was a bit selfish on Thalassa's behalf, but no one's perfect and neither is she xD

[@itzwaluigitime8678]

@@debastiansebeste that's fair but, eh, idk i guess to me it's the overall feel that, in Ace Attorney, no truth can remain hidden at the end, and if that's not the case, it feels like something's off, y'get my drift here ?

[@Teknanam]

@@itzwaluigitime8678 The truth eventually comes out, but Thalassa wouldn't be the 1st or last character hiding knowledge from people who should know for whatever reason. Whether we go with the family relations with Trucy and Apollo, or Iris Watson/Wilson's family relations.

[@itzwaluigitime8678]

@@Teknanam those frustrating moments thooo