That ironically flawed video essay about Blackpink's "flawed feminism"

[@Peachiebun]

I’m soo happy you made this rebuttal! I’m not even a blink at ALL but that person has such a hatred for Jennie and it was evident, like having a WHOLE section attacking her intelligence but then at the end of the video saying “see guys I didn’t attack them personally”, nah girl that section seemed very personal 😬

[@tolanisimpson5360]

THIS!!! That whole "read a book, not Vogue" remark targeted towards Jennie was VERY TELLING.

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

Girl have some personal beef

[@tolanisimpson5360]

​@@AUGHHHHHBBG EXACTLY!!! 'Cause there was no valid reason AT ALL for her to make such a remark towards Jennie.

[@merykhan97]

EXACTLY. I noticed that too . Also laughing while speaking about their "achievements" ... girl

[@tolanisimpson5360]

@@merykhan97 That says a lot about Sonyeonstan.

[@bec5556]

YG has never said Blackpink was feminism, the members never had either. The fans placed that label on them

[@8luvbug]

Blinks didn't either. Antis pulled that out of their tail so they could have another reason hate on BP

[@MM-ex5kz]

@@8luvbug bullsht. your fandom created and pushed that narrative as a rebuttal against people saying their lyrics aren’t deep. and to support their revealing costume outfit. girls can wear what they want. they can sing about being rich and pretty. that’s fine. but your fandom took that as an insult and created this bp-feminism MESS. now lay in that bed full of lies y’all made and own it. it’s backfired.

[@suji_reads]

​@@MM-ex5kzyou're making stuff up now cause nowhere did blinks do that, calling out misogyny of hating on them wearing short outfits and slvtshaming them for it isn't calling bp feminists, similarly how saying someone a girls girl doesn't make them a feminist. let's not be dramatic noe

[@heroinasytumbas3346]

@@suji_reads i'd argue almost every gg fandom calls their fave feminists. obviously I can't generalize, but as someone who interacted with gg fandoms from 2017 to 2022 I've definitely seen this happen with bp and basically every other gg (especially those with a big female fanbase). it's exactly what happened with hyuna too.

[@MM-ex5kz]

@@heroinasytumbas3346 someone w a functioning, healthy brain and eyes.

[@Dokemoni]

If BlackPink ever branded themselves as feminists they would have been blacklisted in Korea

[@bonapetits]

THIS, they never branded themselves as feminist because kpop is supposed to be about music and fun and not some political agenda. cheryl and other people like her just love the clout they can profit from trashing bp's name

[@aenia]

Literally how. YG said the name meant that they can be girly and savage at the same time. How is that not part of feminism?

[@kiwiwooq]

@@aenia because they embody feminism without labelling themselves as feminists. If they did, they would have been blacklisted in Korea.

[@mariunfabregas7533]

​​​@@aeniatheir on-screen personas fits in to the feminism concept and image, but the girls themselves don't outright label themselves as feminists. Irene lost the majority of her male fanbase and got a ton of backlash because she recommended a feminist book once. And people forget that Sulli's hate train in Korea all started because she actively promoted feminist ideals whenever she could. Most South Koreans see feminism as "man hate" or a threat to their (patriarchal) way of life and nothing more. If a Blackpink member outright calls herself a feminist, South Korean fans would most likely boycott that member and maybe even the whole group.

[@thiddling9067]

@@bonapetitshow is this creator hating on Blackpink when in this entire video she defended Blackpink and debunked false info from a creator?

[@rockytakes]

blackpink wasn’t formed to be a feminist group nor have the girls themselves ever claimed to be so we as the consumers are in no position to hold them to that standard. the issue is when blinks start claiming that feminist narrative & shove it in other groups/fandoms faces but get angry when people call the girls out for their “non feminist” words/actions. the core issue isn’t the girls or even YG but the actual fandom and how they WANT to perceive blackpink.

[@violetvictoria7248]

Yeah i get you but still a women trying to be badass is not when she compares her self to female instead of men because then it beats the purpose of the badass vision they want because you're not and females naturally are not stronger then males so why even compare yourself to your females pairs as if it still matters. It doesn't, and it is honestly embarrassing. Unless they are talking about mentality and then i would agree because we do have it better than males but never has she described that very thing. It plain silly and childish in some ways because there no need for that to feel better about yourself if you actually do that because that wouldn't come out their mouth. And besides the point that they are this badass girlgroup they should at least try to live up to their words and beliefs. Right now i'm still liking their songs but it still a artist who fans deserve better songs that they can write and well deliver their female power or their well intelligent work. Like every artist that exist.

[@aurora-cc6hk]

i think we as a community need to leave these poor girls alone

[@tolanisimpson5360]

EXACTLY!!!

[@anyaaa2801]

RIGHT?

[@shreya2867]

Exactly, they can't catch a break 😭

[@sanainthesky]

FINALLY. LET THEM CATCH A BREAK

[@goddess2539]

OMG THIS

[@handlegt]

As soon as she brought up the lyric “We the only gang to run the game in high heels” I clicked off the video. It’s so clearly just an excuse to take a jab at blackpink rather than make a point.

[@ZOI682]

Conclusion: Blackpink themselves and none of the producers have ever claimed they're feminists it's literally the fans narrative so like calling them out on their supposed femnism is stupid💀.another thing I have read some articles on their lyrics being empowering which is somwhat true if you look at solo,kick it,kill this love, HYLT,tally they are not just badass but leaves the message of putting yourself first and get out of toxic relationship which if is not empowering to you would surely be to someone else just interpretation although songs like typa girl needs to be called out but that's another topic .

[@maarie8145]

basically people think that female artists making empowering songs is automatically feminist

[@hmmmmk8590]

More like antis. Blinks Never Said that.

[@ZOI682]

@@maarie8145 yeah although they never said it or were connected to any feminist moment or organisation

[@AL-hb6ti]

the way stans just agree with whatever someone on the internet tells them without doing their own research and coming to their own conclusions will never not frustrate me. it’s such a vicious cycle that no one ever learns from. amazing video as per usual cheryl!

[@abookonlife]

As someone who watched the video and thought that she did good research I wanna thank you for showing me otherwise. I did feel like there was some bits wrong watching it but thought that most of it was well. After watching your video i changed my mind. It is now clear that she was cherry picking her research to prove a point which is something i dont appreciate and dont support. Again thank you for actually doing your research and showing me and many others actual evidence. Something I want to mention is that blackpink were never a feminist group but in fact a self-empowering group. Almost all their songs have a theme where they feel empowered and strong.

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

Yea cus the original video could of been good talking about how stans be saying BP are demons when they aren't and could make a decision on stans but no she took articles that by itself didn't have good information in the first place plus taking lyrics out of context. Like if she used the full meaning of songs to make an argument she should. But using out of context lyrics then using it to say bp are anti women isn't cute at all

[@mhmmhm5995]

I feel the same as you and I also want to say that you're strong for admitting you were wrong

[@abookonlife]

@@mhmmhm5995 Thank you!

[@Avi.joyyy12]

I watched the original video a few weeks back and ngl I was kinda convinced. It’s been over three years since I consistently kept up with Black Pink and their content. Hearing the lyrics out of context really shocked me because I never remembered them be that “misogynistic.” Honestly I’m glad you made this video Cheryl cause it really just opened my eyes. Even despite being a causal Blink it was truly shows that we shouldn’t make such a quick judgment.

[@susanamendonca1949]

I want to say that music doesn't need to be always deep! We can have fun and enjoy a song and it doesn't have to have a deep meaning.

[@tolanisimpson5360]

EXACTLY!!! Music always having to be deep 24/7 sounds exhausting!!

[@greenthinggg]

Frr reminds me of idles queencard which was dragged for being meaningless trash but so what it's still a fun song not everything has to be so deep

[@rieluvs]

exactly omg

[@soojincore]

👏👏

[@potathottwit7604]

That's on you honey, the reason why music existed is to share a connection by creating melodies & harmonies that mirrors a humamn's feelings. Just because you enjoy upbeat songs with absolute shitty lyrics, you can't just defend everything you like in mediocre at its finest. Imagine seeing historic foundings of songs from the oldest years known to mankind even with using just 1 instrument, they can alter it from fun, agony, love & freedom perfectly. Even music from the 18th century still holds more value & respect compared to your shitty excuses😂 heck, even songs from 1920's had such light vibe yet managed to still have meaningful lyrics😂

[@beesbees1669]

The video essay in question is an example of people’s misunderstanding of feminism and what it’s actually for. People must do more to understand the movement itself, its history, its flaws, and how it affects all people today.

[@Yoest.1]

Exactly my thought There’s so many bigger issues that effect women and feminism in general but people are choosing to focus on something that doesn’t even effect the feminism movement at all.

[@bonapetits]

@@Yoest.1 cheryl is just another clout chasing loser on the internet. but jokes on her, bp still staying on the top!

[@thiddling9067]

@@bonapetitswhat?

[@thiddling9067]

@@bonapetitsquestion how much of the video did you watch?

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

THIS. Like I went to fully watch the video and she mostly kept saying that the group isn't feminist cus the group is about them. Like huh?

[@fayemaka3037]

It's the fan's fault for thinking girls who were put together literally to fit as many beauty standards as possible, were the spearheads of feminism in kpop. Blackpink's role is to look good, sound alright, and make money. They do what they do well and are marketed as exactly that. They aren't supposed to be queens because they're better than other girls, they're queens cuz they're better than all of us. Their concept is literally ego. Conflating that with an alleged feminism agenda was the fatal flaw.

[@janae8747]

this comment needs so many more likes

[@Jetou327]

Wow just wow

[@vixxexo6855]

Beautiful people can be feminists and Jisoo was born beautiful. Also it is not Blackpink’s fault that young girl look at them as role models. Blackpink are artists that make music and other jobs they do is modeling and acting. None of these jobs require you to be a role model. Many problematic western artists, actors and models. Blackpink has not even had a real scandal and the biggest scandal they had is Jennie’s lazy scandal. Jennie dancing lazily is bad, but not something to cancel someone for.

[@moonlightespt3818]

Loud and Wrong lmaooo

[@duqial]

I see it often happen when girl groups have a girl crush concept. I think it is the problem of that concept in general public's awareness.

[@jentlehopeworld]

I also want to add that they said something among the lines of "pick up a real book, not vogue" about Jennie, which sounded misogynistic and quite ironic to me

[@tolanisimpson5360]

Yes, it makes a person wonder.🤔

[@evasimon761]

No way jennie said to read a book when the girl doesn't even know how to spell sustainable. Lmfao

[@jentlehopeworld]

@@evasimon761 what? I said that the youtuber (seonyeonstan) said this about Jennie. They were talking about blackpink being misogynistic, while being misogynistic to Jennie

[@astrofact01]

​@@evasimon761maybe she cant spell sustainable properly but maybe you should focus on reading properly 💀 im saying this jokingly but maybe dont jump to conclusions that fast jst cus you dislike her lmfao

[@hmmmmk8590]

​@@evasimon761She can Dance rap sing and Model. What about You

[@getw3llsoon]

To be honest all I got from those videos as a non-blink is that Kpop community will hyperanalyze and nitpick all aspects of feminism done by girl groups (especially Blackpink), but will praise bare minimum done by boy groups. Like I've seen millions upon millions of videos and posts calling male idols "feminist icons" and "champions for women" for basic fucking human decency (e. g. male idols not inappropriately touching female idols and keeping their hands above the waist while taking pictures) and whenever people point out how that's bare minimum, fandoms will backtrack and start whining about how South Korea is misogynist and even bare minimum is already a lot on their behalf, but girl groups never get to hide behind that excuse and will continue to get scrutinized for not being "feminist enough". It's disheartening to see women tear down other women without realizing the sheer hypocrisy of their "criticism". I may not like Blackpink or their version of feminism, but I keep in mind how they're still women, who regularly experience misogyny and get accused of sleeping their way to the top. "Good feminist" or "bad feminist", women's liberation is still the goal of feminism and while criticism is important and should be welcomed, this kind of criticism screams hypocrisy and does nothing, but virtue signal.

[@TenderNoodle]

While I agree with you that we should minimize nitpicking of the even rudimentary feminism of girl groups because it pointless, blackpink quite literally is not a feminist group. Their songs share no feminist message and they themselves don’t even claim to do so. They simply sing about how superior and hot/perfect the members who happen to be female are, not how strong or perfect WOMEN are. A criticism of blackpinks “feminism” is needed, but should not be aimed towards blackpink, only their fans that insist they are feminist because their understanding of what feminism is so flawed they think the act of bragging while female is enough to make you a feminist.

[@getw3llsoon]

@@TenderNoodle I never claimed that BP was a feminist group (that's why I said "their version of feminism") and explicitly stated that I disliked that part of them. I also said that criticism directed at Blackpink (their fans as well, but feminism of blinks is an entirely different conversation since Its harder to criticism millions of people with differing opinions rather than just 4 individuals) is needed, but not by people like sonyeonstan, who basically virtue signal and provide arguments that are virtually just word salad with miniscule truths sprinkled in there. My main point was Kpop community is a joke, when it comes to women's rights. It's a community of men worshippers that conveniently always speak about BP's feminism, when each and every point that they make (appealing to the male gaze, pick-me lyrics, being friends with misogynists etc.) can be applied to almost every other gg. It's painfully obvious that BP is the target, because of their success. Again I do not like BP for many reasons, but I can recognize that they are women in a patriarchal country and industry and I sympathize with them.

[@xingxing0428]

Took the words right out if my mouth. The Kpop industry is basically a community of men-worshippers with tons and tons of women tearing down successful women for the sake of their "oPParS"{I cringed typing that}. But its really sad to see this happen with Blackpink mostly just cause their on top when they're are literally other carbon copies of them doing the exact same thing. Its easier to talk shit about women in general than it is about men and a lot of stans use that fact to try and bring them down. Adding to this is the fact that just the other day one of this girls was exposed all over Twitter when she was asked who makes you feel insecure and said Jennie . And let's just say she was not the most pleasing person to look at.That's the reason she hated her💀. That's the main motivation for these girls and it's honestly sad. Taking out your anger on someone cause of your insecurities and success is peak pettynes.

[@camilasegura8826]

i agree. i saw viral posts on twitter about some bts members "breaking stereotypes" because they wore a damn skirt but when a blink said something about jennie also breaking stereotypes armys went straight up into debating saying she didn't do anything and whatever. i don't think bp are groundbreaking but if they had dicks the reactions would be different..

[@shreya2867]

@@camilasegura8826 yup

[@OblivionZXZ]

There is no feminist kpop in existence. Not even mamamoo and rv.

[@youcantduccthezucc6806]

I die a little on the inside everytime Kpop Stans (especially bg stans) call mamamoo and gidle feminists (ironically there was a comment under sonyeonstans video saying that gidle was “peak feminism”, I have to laugh)

[@jamesthomas5818]

​​​@@youcantduccthezucc6806May I ask what mamamoo and g-idle are not doing to consider themselves feminist instead of the fact that don't call themselves a feminist? What would a group need to do to be consider a feminist without saying it?

[@youcantduccthezucc6806]

@@jamesthomas5818 because what mamamoo and gidle do is the most lukewarm presentation of feminism. I think it’s still a lot on their behalf since SK is deeply misogynistic to the point that even directly mentioning feminism results in major public backlash (for example Irene recommending a feminist book and thus losing a big part of her male audience), however my main problem concerns Mamamoos self-love marketing, while some of them have had plastic surgery. I’m not going to scrutinize them for that despite the fact that I’m heavily anti-plastic surgery, since they’re still women being upheld to an impossible standard, but it’s disheartening to see women conform to patriarchal standards while telling their young fanbase to just “love themselves”. That goes against feminism, but I wouldn’t go as far to call them anti-feminists. As for Gidle I appreciate their message, but it’s very surface level understanding of feminism. I again do not blame Gidle for this, mainly the Kpop community who hasn’t picked up a book in a while and thinks “you’re so pretty and I’m pretty as well!” Is peak feminism. Another problem is that kpop community genuinely doesn’t care about feminism and women’s rights if we’re being honest and this “peak feminism” talk mainly resurfaces whenever BP is getting scrutinized. Mamamoo and Gidle as amazing as they are are victims of basically being used against other female artists in order to crucify them for not being “good feminists”. Again, it is not their fault and I don’t anti any of them, but calling anyone a “peak feminist” in this deeply sexist industry is very tricky

[@elenabd6898]

​@@youcantduccthezucc6806 mamamoo are absolutely the most outwardly 'feminist' out of any group i've seen. moonbyul's 'eclipse' mv was designed to look like a typical bg performance (it's awesome btw, more people should check it out :)

[@UFO339]

I weirdly agree

[@sunebites]

Video is right- Blackpink is not feminism. -Yg litterally said the concept was "2ne1 but pretty" -typa girl exists Can we stop pitting women against each other? 2023 everybody. Not the fault of the girls (they didn't get to choose the lyrics or what YG says) but of the marketing/ image team.

[@AnzzCheatedOnMarkWithHaechan]

It's so provoking the ".. But pretty" part, what do looks have to do with music?!! What messed up industry

[@sunebites]

​@@AnzzCheatedOnMarkWithHaechanlitteraly! And why do we need to replace 2ne1..?

[@sunebites]

@@leeyuri6875 asI said- not th fault of the girls

[@Vengurl09]

he actually never said that what he said was taken out of context by the reporter actually bp was originally inspired by snsd but with YG's style

[@ilikeyourcutg5597]

@@_tripalong The problem is that blackpink was never branded as a feminsit group and the original video took a lot of things out of context

[@flavio.]

Sonyeonstan doesn’t seem to be a reliable commentary channel anyway and im glad people r noticing. You can tell from their older videos. They have a huge bts bias and with that comes disliking the group that comes the closest to them when it comes to success. Also how they implied that blackpink is misogynistic because they don’t represent hyperfeminine values in their music, yet they have several videos of bps members acting cute as their thumbnail and call them cringe.

[@getw3llsoon]

The girl crush argument is just word salad, because I'm really struggling to understand the point she's trying to make. Lisa and Jennie pretty much live up to their concept since they're far from feminine and soft spoken, so they are in fact "being themselves". If girl crush implies that femininity and softness is inferior (despite the fact that girl crush is still heavily feminine. E. g. mini skirts, dramatic makeup etc.) then I'm guessing that everything that goes against traditional values of womanhood is...anti-feminist? Is she aware that most prominent advocates of feminism went against traditional values of femininity? They wore clothes like suits, button-ups, ties etc. Did they as well didn't understand the meaning of "trew femyinism"?

[@espeon871]

@@getw3llsoon tru in fact it comes across v misogynistic and anti feminist to be like anyone who strays from traditional feminity is a pick me as if feminism didnt fight for women to do just that.

[@Everythingz127]

Don't push it too, so Many of those moments where cringe just like the other moments in those videos

[@norabeckwith6893]

She is just a bitter army that sonyeonstan channel

[@askabouttay3756]

Videos like that are the reason why Everglow-up is the only K-tuber channel I trust to deliver valid and non biased information. Because sometimes other k-tubers make up stories for clickbait or manipulate information to make their point sound valid.

[@NA-kz5po]

Felt is pretty good

[@UMMH2000]

the video she's critiquing never claimed that the group was formed around feminism. Please watch the ktuber entire video. Everglow misinterpreted some of the points she said. Everglow based the lyrics interpretation on your her theories as if their facts when there not. Its her opinion and what she thinks. She also based her theoies/storytelling as if that's "obviously" the lyric interpretation when its simply her opinion. She's "debunking" the ktuber "opinion" with her "opinion". Then she puts down the other Ktuber video opinions and misinterpret some of her statements and proceeds to talk about her character based on one video calling her manipulative, lazy, unintelligent. This video may be an example of putting another women and insulting them because you disagree with them.

[@askabouttay3756]

@@UMMH2000PFFT. My advice to you is to go look at Everglow-up recent community post. Because everything you just said is ridiculous.

[@peonisie]

@@NA-kz5po yes I love watching Felt too!

[@wdc97]

​@@UMMH2000she has a pattern of doing that. She is inconsistent and a hypocrite

[@samcarmen]

The creator said she wrote a thesis on the topic, but she never said what grade she got in said thesis...

[@diveintoive.3681]

who was she talking about?

[@moonie6368]

Real, that creator only wanted a reason to hate on Blackpink

[@tolanisimpson5360]

​​@@moonie6368 EXACTLY!!! You don't have to like Blackpink, everyone has their own preferences, just don't attack them unwarranted by making baseless, passive aggressive BS about them.

[@dawnrose1971]

@@diveintoive.3681search ‘The Flawed Feminism of Blackpink’ and it should be the first one to come up

[@Satellit3]

I think the worst part of it all were the people in the comment section bashing blackpink in the name of other girl groups while at the same time going off on bp for "putting women against each other". How are you gonna go and criticize something someone did by doing the same thing

[@tolanisimpson5360]

EXACTLY!! Hypocrisy at its finest!! Make it make sense because I do not understand the lack of logic in this context.

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

RIGHTT like someone was saying how (G)idle and mamamoo are the only good girl groups and blackpink aren’t even talented- then wanna add at the end “no hate” 😭😭😭😭

[@tolanisimpson5360]

@@AUGHHHHHBBG Ugh, typical🙄🙄🙄😒😒😒😒

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

@@tolanisimpson5360 right I’m looking in the comments now and they are bashing the hell out of blackpink then saying other groups are better

[@xex872]

@@AUGHHHHHBBG As a fan of G idle I really hate when that happens. These people don't care about feminism, i think its just fanwar shit

[@KdramaTeen2705]

I literally don't how people got the idea that blackpink was a feminist group. I mean they debuted with songs like whistle and boombayah who are just party songs blackpink never had much songs with meanings. And sometimes everything doesnt need to have meaning

[@Trinityswain]

Whistle isnt a party song is abt having a crush on someone

[@anishaganguly1440]

I feel like blinks spinned the line "BP is the revolution" as a feminist symbol and the media ran with it. And it became a notion that BP is supposed to be a feminist icon. I personally never saw it in Bp or started from bp but everyone did mention it as such.

[@brigc7755]

If anything, I wouldn't call BTS feminists, and I'm an ARMY. They've done very little to ever prove themselves worthy of that title, meanwhile Blackpink are four women thriving in a society that literally hates them Edit, Blackpink's first song was literally a pop track about chasing an older man if I remember the lyrics correctly, so they were never feminist in image...

[@seukos_k]

i totally agree with your video. sonyeonstan's video was very biased and lacked well-thought out points. it didn't help that the comments were just blindly agreeing with them because of their hate for blackpink/blinks.

[@Yoest.1]

Honestly speaking I never really thought of Blackpink as some feminist or women empowerment group, the real issue lies with their fans who are constantly berating us into believing that they are. Then you get some of their fans that think everything BP does is in the name of feminism and they do this especially with Jennie and Lisa. Blinks be throwing the word feminism around like crazy. The group doesn’t have to be some girl power group just because their a girl group but as long as they don’t intentionally disrespect or hurt other women and younger girls then there’s no problem, I don’t think I’ve ever seen the girls go out of their way to do those things so 🤷🏾‍♀️.

[@hanmira]

While crazy Blinks are misusing the word feminism and throwing the word around like crazy, individuals on the internet have the responsibility to think for themselves and have to do research if needed. If people on the internet due to their own ignorance believe that BLACKPINK are a feminist group instead of researching for themselves, then that’s no one’s fault, but their own (and maybe Blinks’). If people are too lazy to do research or don’t bother to even know, then that’s fine and absolutely okay. I couldn’t care less to be honest. What I do have a problem is, is people using their own flawed perception of BP and their own unrealistic expectations against BP, and then continuing to criticize BP for a problem they basically created in their head. Of course it’s tiring to hear from Blinks that BLACKPINK are feminists, but even though I consider myself to be apart of the BLACKPINK fandom (meaning being more likely to engage with Blinks and getting videos recommended from Blinks), I did my own research and concluded for myself that BLACKPINK are in fact not a feminist group, never branded themselves as a feminists, and that even YG was the very first to go against the feminist agenda by marketing them as the prettier version of 2ne1. So while I do agree that Blinks’ excessively branding of BP being feminists is problematic and just flat out false, not correcting your own perception of BP can become problematic as well and kind of ironic.

[@TenderNoodle]

But agree. Blackpinks clearly makes makes music that shows the members who happen to be female flexing and bragging about how amazing they are, and not much else. Idk why blinks see that as inherently feminist when half the time those lyrics are actively making blackpink sound superior to other women and like they are above them.

[@marmoyano6067]

THISS

[@brianna058]

@@TenderNoodlethat’s not true at all. listen to kill this love, hope not, don’t know what to do, you never know, tally, the happiest girl, stay, lovesick girls, etc.

[@AB-yk2pq]

I've watched 2 or 3 videos based on this topic and all of them made perfect sense to me. Sure, members themselves didn't introduce themselves as feminists,but media did.

[@JkLina13]

And fandom

[@AB-yk2pq]

​@@JkLina13I mean every fandom is delusional at some point, I blame more people who writes those articles

[@MeryKeit]

…in that logic, they didn’t deny it either.

[@AB-yk2pq]

​@@MeryKeitWell yeah, they don't like to label themselves [YGE and members themselves] but at same time they're fine with articles talking about female empowerment when it comes to Blackpink.

[@enhaworld]

but it’s basically just the media making assumptions which is not uncommon today, especially in media surrounding kpop

[@bleepbleeep]

i just scrolled a bit in their comments section and saw the type of people who comments stuff like this are inherently bullying blackpink for NOT being feminist and praising g idle is so funny to me. being a girl group doesn’t mean you HAVE to be this feminist girl boss music. we’ve seen what happened to irene and sulli. why would they.. publicly? to add, i do feel like they have no idea of what feminism means. honestly there’s bunch of guys who make songs about girls, how they’re so amazing sexy and rich. so why is it a problem when blackpink does it? it contradicts their initial point. it’s like that one video that talked about the male gaze and blackpink, while i was hoping an informative video it turned into this weird slut shaming of blackpink but none of those comments have common sense and critical thinking and just found a big space where they can spew hate on blackpink and i also did notice the OP has a weird distaste for jennie and stubbly calling her stupid and an airhead. you can leave comments such as “pls don’t give blackpink hate” but at the end of the day if the people who are siding with you are people hating blackpink then maybe you should reevaluate your initial point

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

this. Seriously the original video and most videos on the topic are so bias and it shows

[@tolanisimpson5360]

EXACTLY!!

[@6667-p9t]

As an subscriber for a while, I just want to thank you Cheryl for putting subtitles in your video! English is not my mother tongue and sometimes I struggle to understand because of accent, the speed or whatever and reading subtitles helps me a lot. I hope you will continue to do that! 😊

[@bvivian273-ql7bk]

Fr, thanks for that. Sometimes I don't catch everything she says and subtitles are really helpful!

[@everglowup]

💙

[@seulgislove]

it shocked me that suddenly ive just been seeing a lot of people using the "fake femininity" insult in comment sections and shit as a way to bring these girls down and i had to see for myself. Although im not a blink myself, its crazy how people are reaching just to make a new insult to use on the group. Yes, blackpink lyrics do have hints of supremacy but.. isnt that the whole music industry?? Yes they keep reminding me im broke and that theyre going to fashion events every 2-3 business days but to link all of that with misogyny is criminal 😭

[@ennauak]

Personally I have never seen these girls as feminists, on a recent interview Jisoo even said she doesn't believe men and women can be just friends (unless they know each other for a long time). This seem to be a korean thing too cause I've seen way too many idols/actors saying this. If you think about the context of where they are from, how they were probably raised and that at the end of the day we live in a capitalist society and almost everyone would do everything for that much money, it all makes sense. Calling out Blackpink would bring out the need to call out a bunch of other groups, for example, Le Sserafim who are always singing about confidence said "they are not a Cinderella type of a girl" in Unforgiven (I love them but that line is so stupid cause Cinderella is a victim of abuse from her family but ok) and calling out the WHOLE industry, that sells body images who are extremely difficult to achieve especially for women, who treat female idols different from male idols and etc.

[@Yoest.1]

But it’s not a ‘Korean thing’ Jisoo was explaining her view based on her own experience.

[@simonarattu7230]

​@@Yoest.1 that stems from being raised in a conservative society, nothing weird about that

[@ennauak]

@@Yoest.1 bad wording on my part I mean a common thing in korean society, also like it or not that is wrong view because it's simply untrue

[@bluem0n0chrom3]

bp is the biggest kpop girl group rn ever since. unfortunately they're going to get called out more on the the problems of kpop ggs and their dumb song lyrics so they had to be more careful, while other ggs like you mentioned don't get noticed that much other than kpop twitter, so there's not much backlash involved.

[@wonderslala]

@@simonarattu7230 saying she can't be friends with men is not conservative You are just throwing the world conservative anywhere What is even the big deal for being friends with men? Are they different from having female friends?

[@Yooniverse35]

I'm very glad I saw this video as it put things into a better and most importantly, unbiased perspective for me. When I unstanned bp, I carried this frustration which gradually turned towards malice towards the group. Although I never once sent hate or spiteful comments when talking about them, I was still ill-biased. But I'm glad that I've reached this point where I'm more or less neutral regarding them now. They're not anything special, but they're also not as bad as many claim. And they're not misogynists but (as far as their music is concerned) they're not feminists either. And there's nothing wrong about that.

[@bonapetits]

save your fav's tanking career before

[@Yooniverse35]

@@bonapetits lmfaooo you know who my favs are?

[@hanmira]

@@bonapetitsAnother case of Blinks’ not knowing when to be quiet. This person just said that their perception of Bp and their internalized bias against them changed. But you continue to insult their faves even though you have no idea who they are? Please be so for real.

[@UFO339]

​@@hanmiraI just really sed that's a troll acount 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@Salmy3]

@@UFO339 seems like the average blink to me

[@AsiasAnimations]

I'll be honest, I fell for that video. I watched it, took in all of her points, agreed with a lot of them (without really thinking about it), and after the video ended I thought to myself "good video" and moved on. This is most likely how a lot of k-pop stans within the k-pop commentary sphere watch these videos; just consume, agree or disagree, and move...without doing their own research. I never checked to see what sources she used for that video, so when you pointed it out I was surprised. I also didn't stop myself and think "wait... BLACKPINK _never_ branded themselves as feminists though". I definitely think I started to assume that they did because Blinks are *_SO LOUD_* about how the members are ✨Feminist Queens✨ due to some of their songs being empowering to some degree (except "Typa Girl" of course, that's been picked apart for the lyrics being so "pick me" it's laughable, I still enjoy that song though tbh lmao). IDK if it's obvious or not, but this has been a problem within the k-pop commentary sphere for years. Stans make these video essays with the thought of them not just sharing an opinion, but stating these opinions as if they're *facts.* (Or they think they should be facts) Also a lot of k-pop commentators lowkey -get off- on having a high subscriber count because they feel like they have the power to mold people's minds & opinions into their own, so they use their "power" very irresponsibly. And even though I have watched their content in the past, that creator does come off as an Army (likely a Twitter army even though I don't even know if they use Twitter) who loves BTS and hates all other groups, especially ones that are coming close to the level of success BTS reached, so they probably see BLACKPINK as a threat to BTS. (Which I personally think it's so dumb to see k-pop groups & idols as "threats" to your own faves, like what are you saying)

[@seulgislove]

it's crazy because when I watched it like a month ago for when it came out I did agree on points. However when the creator said that "we the only one to run the game in high heels" lyric is misogynistic, I lost her at that 🤣🤣 She had some points but I just think she didn't know how to deliver them. Also we can't say she's too innocent because obviously she was highly biased for the full video.

[@seulgislove]

also like you said, yup I think that commentary k-tube or just commentary KZbin should stay as neutral as possible. However k-tubers definitely aren't applying this rule on themselves. It's basically a hate video disguised as a well thought out commentary that creators throw in a few long words into tricking you that, "yes! This is facts!" like atp just do shit like sultry film or whatever. I appload them because they hate and make sure they're seen as a hater. I hate when people hate but disguise themselves as this sweet innocent person making education commentary videos when in reality, everything they're saying has some type of favouritism thrown in. It just tricks the brain like that you get me??

[@AsiasAnimations]

@@seulgislove K-pop stans are literally allergic to being neutral on anything. They always feel like they *_HAVE_* to pick a side, because "being neutral" means you automatically support the worst side to them, which is literally NOT what being neutral means lmao.

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

THIS

[@arianawendymangagirl]

They do have Twitter - their insta is full of their tweets - literally just theirs

[@alyssa-tm1tk]

So, according to her, Blackpink flexing their fame, singing about how powerful and rich they are and being aware of them being attractive and "better" than others is "misogynistic" but BTS having lyrics like: " sorry mom, your son's too hot / i'm being a good son in place of you / no cons in our concerts / i do it, i do it, you're a tasteless ratatouille / if you're jealous, sue me" "You're a beggar, / from your pocket to the skills you don't have, you're poor" "i'm too big to fit in the k-pop category" "Ahh you wanna be my life / Those who are starving, just be my human shield" "Even if you run up to it, it’s too high for you to reach / The difference is pretty big, you can’t see it / After shattering your delusions About your shitty cars / And once everyone’s done toying with them"...etc. is completely okay and most likely iconic and savage in her eyes? It's such a snowflake mindset and a huge reach to say that BP's lyrics are against feminism when all they do is being confident and flex about their money, looks and fame just like almost all artists do, even the 7 men on her pfp but when these girls do it it's apparently misogynistic and wrong? Just imagine if BP sang these lyrics that i quoted above. That's the double standard.

[@UMMH2000]

Why does bts have to be in this? The video is on Blackpink and there brand. Not Bts.

[@mufinak]

​@@UMMH2000Because Sonyeonstan is an army

[@ShanviKashyap-ik8bu]

Literally taking the lyrics out of context if that’s what you have then you are literally proving the point so if you can so can anyone take lyrics out of context

[@mufinak]

​​@@ShanviKashyap-ik8buAnd what did Sonyeonstan do? She also took the lyrics out of context. As a BTS stan, the lyrics above aren't even taken out of context. It's just bragga. And both BP and BTS do it in their songs but just one gets hated on.

[@ShanviKashyap-ik8bu]

@@mufinak I agree with you that no lyrics should be taken out of context but trying to drag another artist is also not the way

[@celticsb]

i always steer clear of sonyeonstan video essays because of her obvious bias im sorry but im not taking preaching of feminism from a woman that puts down women and nitpicks them daily to uplift men that she stans

[@tolanisimpson5360]

EXACTLY!!! She's such a hypocrite.

[@EVVENN]

She’ll argue it has nothing to do with Bangtan though, She also said in one of her community post : “4. This is not about BTS, do not reduce my entire personality, education and beliefs to the artists I love. This video is NOT about BTS, I did not mention them because they do not market themselves as feminist or female empowering and profit off of it, not have they put down women in their song. Simply does not apply” Which is funny because I had an open mind about her video at first but the clear bias further shows once you go through her liked comments, especially one that I pointed out that she disliked already that said: @thesilentvoice9821 “it’s not the failed issue of feminism that’s the matter, it’s the lack of message this group has. Every other group has a brand/idea they stick with. I’m not a BTS fan but I know their message: love yourself. Twice: sticking together as one. Got7: define yourself, set your own standards. Itzy: all in us. Blackpink:?. It’s only about being pretty, the best, the elite, baddest, etc. That’s not a real message, there is not anything sustainable in that. That’s why their music discography is the same since 2016.” Tell me how can you make a video essay about Blackpink and then like a comment like this *and then* expect people who are independent enough to do some google search to take you seriously. Not only that but her saying that Bangtan has never put woman down in a song as if they don’t have a whole controversy around War Of Hormone, she’ll probably say that the issue has been resolved and that 21st Century girls was the make up song for it but WOH should have never happened in the first place. Secondly, Blackpink does not market themselves around as feminists. Lastly, Bangtan profits off of anti-bullying campaigns with a fandom that has a reputation for being misogynistic, turning loving yourself into a capitalist strategy and being proud of writing their own songs but as long as they say something problematic they don’t take accountability for it (August D). Yes, Blackpink as a lot of flaws, that’s why I went to their video with an open mind and I always hear when people have good criticism when it comes to them but there’s a clear bias the deeper I look into her channel. Someone without a bias wouldn’t make short’s like these: kzbin.infohvyqoCrmugg?feature=share

[@noname-ig2yy]

I mema the only good vids of hers are the onces talking bout the "Lolita" concepts and the problem with stage outfits apart from that everything she talks bout is pretty bias

[@celticsb]

@@EVVENN i have seen some clips of her videos about bts and in comparison it’s clear she always report on blackpink with a clear disdain for them. it’s obvious they’re all bitter that blackpink is so successful without doing too much. as for armys how can i take it from a fandom that said hating jimin A MAN is MISOGYNYISTIC?? GOT step back is very outwardly criticized for its misogynistic weird lyrics but it wasn’t held against any of the members. if you find typa girl lyrics to be pick me why is it the end of the world and why are blackpink sooooo terrible for releasing it. you can nitpick any girl groups lyrics and say that they are not feminist. their whole argument makes no sense because it all starts with the fact that blackpink just like most girl groups never marketed themselves as feminist figures. it’s hard to take them serious when they’re so committed to tearing down 4 successful women yet wanna cry about their “flawed” feminism?? i’ve seen someone say rosie saying “i’ll put a curse on her and you” is anti-feminist like pls be serious 😭 also what’s wrong with saying you’re the best in your music. they literally are the most globally successful kpop girl group why can’t they reflect it. i saw in comments them putting 2ne1 against them as if i am the best doesn’t exist. but when bts brags they’re such kinggggsss.

[@youcantduccthezucc6806]

@@celticsbsomeone replied to that saying that Jimin experiences MANsogyny

[@jaemcvltz]

You dont have to be a fan of BP to acknowledge their success. Heck if i was that famous I'd brag abt it too 🤷🏾‍♀️ and so do the many female (and male) artists in the western music industry so why is it so different for the girls? Anyways good video 💕

[@tolanisimpson5360]

Same, I fully agree with you.

[@greenthinggg]

Yup it's as simple as that!

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

Right plus she have a video on her page talking about how cute it was when BTS made a song bragging about being rich and famous and f the haters but when blackpink do it then OH NOOOOOOO

[@moonie6368]

@@AUGHHHHHBBGmisogyny at its finest

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

@@moonie6368 me or the girl?

[@pixelpudding3914]

What also confuses me about the So Hot thing is that it’s not even their song? It belongs to the Wonder Girls, and will always only ever belong to the Wonder Girls. If that makes BP misogynistic, then what about Gfriend, or Twice, or the THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of people who cover and like the song, hell, including me. So Hot, let alone the Wonder Girls in general, is extremely popular. Did she join kpop last week? What’s next? 2NE1’s I Am The Best is glorifying bullying? Miss A’s Good Girl Bad Girl is slut shaming? The Olympics must’ve came early because what a fucking L E A P

[@ilikeyourcutg5597]

@@try_best Blackpink is the most succesful gg right now, they aren't wrong

[@maarie8145]

@@try_best well that sound like a pretty "girl boss feminist" line to me

[@sylviethefairy3960]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@YTMidnightPlayzz]

THIS ❗️

[@girlnamjooning]

Didn't BP add some rap parts to the original song for their cover?? I remember some blink saying that Jennie or lisa wrote their own rap for their cover of so hot.

[@geniinabottle2005]

i watched this video a while back and remember someone mentioned jennie modeling for calvin klein. apparently that was a problem so i brought up jungkook and him modeling for CK too and their response was that jennie's shoot was more revealing 💀💀

[@tolanisimpson5360]

BOTH OF THEIR CALVIN KLEIN PHOTOSHOOTS ARE REVEALING!!! Can they please be serious for once?! I cannot with this community, I swear.

[@camioar]

damn she has the guts to complain about blackpink being “misogynistic” then insult jennie bc her pics are “too revealing” 💀

[@tolanisimpson5360]

@@camioar THIS!! It's the sheer audacity and hypocrisy for me!!!

[@rowanjoy419]

“Men act and women appear. Men look at women. Women watch themselves being looked at. This determines not only most relations between men and women but also the relation of women to themselves. The surveyor of woman in herself is male: the surveyed is female. Thus she turns herself into an object of vision: a sight.” Men dream of women. Women dream of themselves being dreamt of. Men look at women. Women watch themselves being looked at. Women constantly meet glances which act like mirrors reminding them of how they look or how they should look. Behind every glance is a judgment. Sometimes the glance they meet is their own, reflected back from a real mirror. […] She is almost continually accompanied by her own image of herself. Whilst she is walking across a room or whilst she is weeping at the death of her father, she can scarcely avoid envisaging herself walking or weeping. From earliest childhood she has been taught and persuaded to survey herself continually. She has to survey everything she is and everything she does because how she appears to others and in particular how she appears to men is of crucial importance for what is normally thought of as the success of her life. You painted a naked woman because you enjoyed looking at her, put a mirror in her hand and you called the painting “Vanity,” thus morally condemning the woman whose nakedness you had depicted for you own pleasure. ― John Berger, Ways of Seeing (1972)

[@ncteno]

congratulations on 50k cheryl! i cant believe how far you've come 😭 and this video was well thought out like always. you always do the most you can.

[@bithyjannat9956]

Typa girl is the only one song of Blackpink that gives of pick me vibes. Other bp songs aren't like this. D4,kill this love,how you like that etc gives of empowering vibes but not feminism. Their songs are empowering for every gender.

[@tolanisimpson5360]

Exactly, that is one of the reasons why I enjoy Blackpink's music, they are NOT feminists but those songs you mentioned are empowering.

[@samanthakim5035]

Agree It's catchy, but I can't avoid thinking about it.

[@skylarlowtower5372]

In defense of typa girl... if someone not at their level sing this song it would be a pick me song ..but Blackpink are those girls. They are the popular, pretty girls that get picked without having to put in much effort. These songs were written to fit their persona as BP and is perfect for that. The lyrics are cringy but like where did they lie? I feel like that's has always been apart of their concept since boombayah and whistle.

[@liasharma3951]

Taylor swift a" feminist icon" had many pick me songs but no one cared to question considering she is song writer

[@liasharma3951]

Taylor swift a" feminist icon" had many pick me songs but no one cared to question considering she is song writer

[@eem8736]

Blackpink have never come off as a feminist group to me personally (for many reasons, from the fact that they are a group manufactured by men in not only a misogynistic company but country as a whole to their music being made by men who are from said company and country) so when I saw the video talking about their "flawed feminism" I wondered...what feminism? I personally feel the video was more of a retaliation to blinks and their constant bragging of Blackpinks "Feminism" (because neither members nor company have tired to brand themselves as such). Regarding the lyrics it really does seem like they read the lyrics with a mindset fixed on finding a line that is "misogynistic" and ran with it , ignoring other parts of the song that didn't support their......lets say .....ideology and throwing away all context necessary as you've explained . Regarding typa girl , I don't have much to say about it since enough have been said about its questionable lyrics but what baffles me is how it's in the same album as tally (which is arguably their most empowering song , so it being in an album with their most pick-me coated song is crazy ) Anyways, amazing video as always and I hope you're doing well

[@samanthakim5035]

I listened to them for like 2 years and a half and for me, their lyrics, in general, are about *women breaking out of toxic and problematic relationships,* or *being a better person and facing it with confidence.* And I'm also convinced that it's the fans and media who said that their main concept is about that.

[@2FullMoons]

I skipped that video everytime it was recommended to me because I noticed a pattern with that creator of allegedly throwing little jabs at Blackpink. I mean, look at their ‘cringy moments’ series, there must always be a Blackpink member in the thumbnail, and they are an army... not hard to put two and two... and another two together...

[@Ananya4005-w6d]

I don't even go much into K-tube much these days but same here. I got recommended a bunch of her videos in my timeline all on the cringe moments (didn't have the energy to invest myself in it) but my god, the bias is obvious. This video makes it even more evident

[@dibidibidis3367]

A common theme I noticed in Sonyeontans videos is her overall bias against blackpink. For example In one her “ K-pop moments that makes me cringe video “ she specifically points out the CA the blackpink members have committed in the past ( which I’m by no means defending them for) but I recall every other group shown in the video also has problematic past that’s just as worst as blackpinks, but she didn’t go out of her way to call them out. Another point she made in her video on blackpink is how blinks are contradicting the “ message of feminism “ that blackpink spread in their music ( a message that doesn’t even exist ) but isn’t it armys who completely go against the message BTS spreads in their music? The massive bullying and the toxicity all in the name of supporting Bts even though they are completely contradicting the message they spread in there music? You’d never see her make a video on that though Edit: I watched a few more of her videos and noticed that basically anytime she mentions blackpink their is nothing positive to say or some form of negative undertone to whatever it is she is saying

[@kendrauniverse6008]

I noticed that too and that’s why I didn’t watch their video. I watched another KZbinr who did a similar video because I was still curious on the topic. I wanted to hear from someone who wouldn’t be biased against Blackpink but critical of them.

[@YTMidnightPlayzz]

Also the points she made about blinks in that video are so stupid imo, since fandoms aren't there to represent the groups that they stan, or to contribute to their brand whatsoever!

[@ShanviKashyap-ik8bu]

That’s a very nice way to I don’t have enough point to defend my fandom so I will blame armys for it 😊

[@dibidibidis3367]

@@ShanviKashyap-ik8bu nobody’s blaming armys, and I’m not even a blink, I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of the original creator not blaming anyone

[@aloowalia2849]

@@dibidibidis3367 I agree with you here I am an army but this is one of the reason why I can't view her videos anymore

[@dramaanalyst1745]

Men talking about their achievement Everyone: slayyyyyyyy, savage, Women talking about their achievement Everyone:Boooo, misogynistic

[@tolanisimpson5360]

THIS!!! The double standards are AGGRAVATING!!!

[@marie5760]

What 😭😭 Isn’t it the other way around

[@n.i.k.i.t.a]

you yourself know that's not true💀

[@sunshineyy00]

More like anybody and everybody unless it's blackpink💀

[@dramaanalyst1745]

@@n.i.k.i.t.a @marie7056 Nah, I haven't seen that, but its always like people will consider it general when guys will say it, but when women say its suddenly its them compared with each other

[@EmmaniePhilippe-mh3tn]

The way blinks gave them this title of feminist because they do girl crush concept is really telling. For me I always considered gidle to regard what they do or say apart from their music especially Shuhu and Soyeon. Blackpink don't need to be feminist they can be inspiration to alot of young girls/women to be hard working and to strive for the best.

[@Taejiu]

Congrats on 50k ‼️

[@everglowup]

tyty 💙

[@YTMidnightPlayzz]

@@everglowup Congrats on the 50k Cheryl, I have recently subscribed to your channel and I love your content!

[@sukaitodd2510]

Thank you for sharing this video! I’m glad someone has finally said it. Great job, as usual! Stay amazing and take care of yourself, Everglow-Up. 💖 ✨

[@susanamendonca1949]

When I hear blackpink songs I always feel like I am the boss. Even if they are saying they are rich it makes me feel empowered and that I can afford the things I want

[@tolanisimpson5360]

SAME!!! That is one of the reasons I love Blackpink's music!!

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

Right like Blackpink always been more girl boss then girl crush. They make sure they are known as bad bitches so people like their songs to feel like they are like blackpink. Even their groups name concept adds on to this. They are sweet but if u mess with them they put u back in ur place.

[@_P.l.a.k.s.h.a_]

Same fr I dont care about antis typa girl ,money ,pretty savage etc Gives me confidence I need the most 💅🏻

[@Mitchelle-hb7wk]

same hia wen I was being shifted on for having acne in high school Iwill put BP songs onmy head set and walk down the halls feeling lyke Calvin Klein models

[@lilysun1217]

Sonyeon is typical toxic army that hates blackpink and manipulates others to hate blackpink as well. She's not feminist herself.

[@tolanisimpson5360]

THIS!!!

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

SAY IT LOUD

[@Taylorc0de]

I thought I was only one that felt that she has such a clear passive aggression towards the girls☠️

[@ikramosman7221]

@@Taylorc0de All her kpop cringe moments videos is mainly targetting the pinks, look at the cover.

[@Arroyoshi]

I saw that video yesterday and the creator was grasping at straws 🤣

[@samanthakim5035]

I listened to them for like 2 years and a half and for me, their lyrics, in general, are about *women breaking out of toxic and problematic relationships,* or *being a better person and facing it with confidence.* And I'm also convinced that it's the fans and media who said that their main concept is about that.

[@itsme-cr5yx]

Bp is marketed as a group with both cute and bad ass sides. They never claimed to be feminist , nither the memebers nor the company . If you don't like their songs don't listen to them . Don't make a entier video with little to no research just to manipulate others to prove your agenda.

[@samanthakim5035]

AIIYL, DKWTD, and (especially) STAY, for example.

[@ashliegh115]

Exactly. Just ignore them. They only create these videos because they KNOW they'll get paid due to the hate boners kpop stans have for BP. It's poorly made cause they do not care that they are spreading misinformation

[@tolanisimpson5360]

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK.

[@Wonyoungcodes]

thank you for this ,cause people have generalised downgrading blackpink so much these days

[@nicolemora7880]

So why is it when a western artist can praise themselves in songs like Ariana grande and no one bats an eye but when it’s blackpink or another Kpop group we talk about setting a good example it’s so stupid like just enjoy the music

[@nicolasmagalhaeslussim2711]

Fr

[@nicolemora7880]

@@nicolasmagalhaeslussim2711 I’ve always said Kpop really isn’t about making music and performing cus people want Kpop idols to be feminist icons 💀

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

Right like Ariana grande made a whole song saying how she can buy what she wants and the baddest bitch 😭😭 (7 rings)

[@nicolemora7880]

@@AUGHHHHHBBG Fr and she didn’t get dragged for saying she’s that bitch but if blackpink did it they would get called pick me’s like what 😭 Kpop idols don’t really have that much freedom tbh

[@Yoest.1]

@@AUGHHHHHBBG don’t even get me started on ‘break up with your girlfriend cause I’m bored’ and these same people complaining about Typa girl being a bad song that "puts woman down" are the same ones that sing Ariana grandes music with their chest 😭

[@bbi2.052]

The fact that ppl assume women abt talking her achievements, high status, etc as automatically anti-other women is quite anti-feminist of itself. Lol (Edit)This reply section is crazy ☠️

[@bbi2.052]

damn it I edited my comment 🥲

[@tolanisimpson5360]

THIS!!! Make it make sense!!

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

Right like damn 💀💀

[@UFO339]

Girl Typa girl literally says I'm not like these other girls at all 😀😀 That's not feminism but pick me , bp isn't the ones at fault since they don't write their own songs but they ain't no feminist

[@ZOI682]

​@@UFO339the op didn't said they're feminist though

[@merykhan97]

I've seen that video and it honestly annoyed me . And I'm not easily annoyed. The creator pined a comment explaining that she was doing a master's thesis on this theme like WHAT ??!!

[@imaginieiota6298]

I agree with you. There is difference between genuine critique and simply trying to prove your point. One of the reasons I started watching your videos, because you humanised the people you call out I especially liked the Jenny one, where you pointed out the she recieved and later disapproved of her company and methods to enter hollywood. I hope she watches this video and does better in the future.

[@tolanisimpson5360]

Same.

[@samanthakim5035]

There's a small chance, but I hope.

[@Clairee0.0]

I'm not even a blink but that video made my blood boil

[@luv.linaaaa]

Here is what i have to say and i definitely agree with pretty much everything u have said: cus while Blackpink's music primarily focuses on various themes, such as love, self-confidence, and empowerment, they have not released songs specifically centred around feminism. While Blackpink's songs may not explicitly talk about feminism, they often convey themes of empowerment, resilience, and self-love, which can resonate with audiences seeking messages of female strength and autonomy. Their music serves as an example of women taking charge of their lives and careers, inspiring fans worldwide to embrace their own power and value. It's really important to understand that artists' perspectives and messages may be diverse and multifaceted. They may not always explicitly discuss feminism but can still contribute to the larger conversation on female empowerment and representation by being successful and influential women in the music industry. While their music often focuses on love, confidence, and independence, some of their songs and lyrics can be interpreted as promoting female empowerment and self-worth. For example, in their song "Kill This Love," the lyrics emphasize breaking free from a toxic relationship and asserting one's strength and independence. Lines like "Let's kill this love!" and "We all commit to love, that makes you cry" suggest empowering oneself to overcome heartbreak and move forward confidently. In "BOOMBAYAH," they sing about being unapologetically confident and fierce: "Blackpink in your area / We're pretty and savage." This song showcases their boldness and fearlessness, promoting the idea that women can be strong, talented, and beautiful without compromising their identity. Additionally, "Pretty Savage" showcases a message of self-assurance and empowerment: "I'm not sorry, I'm not sorry / I'm not sorry, naega jeil jal naga." These lyrics assert that they are not sorry for being confident in their abilities and shining brightly in their own unique ways.

[@luv.linaaaa]

And to add to this, it is not logical or fair to label all fans of Blackpink, "Blinks," as toxic. Like any large fanbase, the Blackpink fandom is diverse, consisting of millions of individuals with various backgrounds, opinions, and attitudes. Generalizing all Blinks as toxic fans would be an unfair stereotype that overlooks the vast majority of fans who genuinely appreciate the group and support them positively. Every fanbase, regardless of the artist or group, may have a small percentage of individuals who engage in toxic behaviour. This behaviour can include online harassment, spreading hate towards other artists, or excessive and aggressive defending of their favourite group which seems to be a majority of what Blinks have had to go through which is why the majority are still defensive and are in that same mindset which is not an excuse ofc. However, these toxic behaviours are not representative of the entire fandom and should not define the majority of fans who are respectful and supportive. It is essential to differentiate between the actions of a few individuals and the entire fanbase. Most Blinks, like fans of any other group, simply enjoy and celebrate Blackpink's music and performances without engaging in harmful behavior. Fandoms can be a great source of support and joy for fans, and they can contribute positively to an artist's success. However, it's crucial for us as fans to remember to be respectful, kind, and mindful of our actions, both online and offline, to ensure a positive and inclusive environment for everyone involved. Likewise, critics and observers should avoid overgeneralizing and understand that fan communities are diverse, with a range of opinions and behaviours.

[@PrachiSingh-ml9rp]

Totally agreed And idk why people think that saying I'm pretty and savage or flexing your own success is misogynistic Like do you think about 2ne1 when you sing I'm the best or ( naega jai jala ga) no. You just vibe with it you and actually feels like you're the best Or does people feel like ariana is wrong to flex her wealth in 7 rings No, it made them feel like they're also a rich b!tch ( and even I feel like that myself) The thing is if you listen to songs like these where artist is flexing there popularity or wealth (songs like pretty savage), you doesn't think about artist you listening to but you visualize yourself having those things. Which is really positive and gives you a boost in your confidence, it gives you hope and motivation for also getting those things one day or atleast how it works for me

[@luv.linaaaa]

@@PrachiSingh-ml9rp same here it boosts me too i totally agree

[@siohunndai]

Honestly, I feel like people just want to be contrarian to sound profound. People can say anything about Blackpink and put it into an essay format, add a social aspect (feminism) and people will eat that up.

[@kneverland4985]

Glad you made a video like this! I'm tired of sonyeonstan bias hate towards blackpink, cause, let's be serious, now it has become too obvious. It's not the first time she accuses bp of something they don't have done, and now I'm tired, because she don't even do proper research and people agree with her! Bp are becoming more and more the punching bag of kpop, and this is unsettling me 😅 everything they do is constantly hated, they can't even breath sometimes

[@hadesdni]

i'll be so real i was gonna watch that video but as soon as i saw the channel name i scrolled past lmao. i've been around both fandoms long enough to know any video essay from one side on the other is probably gonna be chock-full of contradictions, misconstructions, cherry-picking etc. you can absolutely talk about how some fandoms parade their faves as "feminist" and the like when they're really not, but i could already tell this particular video was probably gonna be mean-spirited and unfair.

[@sanainthesky]

Lmao so true, the moment I saw that the creator is a hard-core army I skipped it.

[@janae8747]

same. and im an army myself lol. biases can be rlly strong amongst blinks and armys abt eachother, so i didn't even watch the other video bc i had a feeling it'd slip too far into personal opinions / projections

[@mastermind6435]

I clicked off the video when she brought of the so hot lyric cause the lack of language comprehension is mind-boggling to me

[@Nameless_mixes]

Ohhh!!! Now everything makes sense. I was so stuck yesterday trying to figure out what the topic could be lol I’m predicting Zoeunlimited will be referenced in this 🔮

[@bbi2.052]

What did zoeunlimited do?

[@bonapetits]

@@bbi2.052 2 words: pick me

[@tatherlit]

She wasn't mentioned lol

[@Aiko-jf1lq]

@@bonapetits Zoe unlimited is a pick me? Is that what ur saying?

[@bonapetits]

@@tatherlit never said i did but cheryl and zoe belong to the same olive tree

[@almariaghern1876]

The only thing I want to add is that blackpink didn't even sang the "all the boys be loving me, girls be hating me" part, so what's the point of even bringing that line when the girls completely ignored it in their cover? I bet that if another gg would have done the same thing, they would have been praised instead for not being "pick me girls" lol.

[@livelaughlovesangyeon-_-]

The last part is so real lmao

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

Her video just sounded bias as hell not informing people

[@ayadhyist]

As a non-blink, I never really saw any reason to believe that Blackpink (or any other Korean girl group) was feminist. Also, If the presence of women is a feminist statement to you, that says a lot more about you than the women in question.

[@haerinz_cat]

Girl woke up today and chose to speak facts

[@breakingboundries]

honestly......A big big thanks to u dear for making this video. I am actually tired of people making false videos to hate blackpink and earn money from their name . I really want you to make a video against Sultry Films . That women just constantly nitpicks on Jennie

[@BriarOrbit]

Thank you for this video, Cheryl! I agree with what you said about the video not being researched enough. Always glad to listen to a video from you, your voice calms me down!

[@pinkysaints2309]

Let’s just call this what this is. It’s fanwar shit. Sonyeon is an army, toxic armys have been doing this ‘blackpink are misogynistic’ shit for a long ass time. Armys and blinks argue about if bts or blackpink are more ‘woke’ constantly.

[@UMMH2000]

Did you watch the video?

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

RIGHTTTT

[@YTMidnightPlayzz]

@@UMMH2000 Yes, it was awful 💀

[@anishaganguly1440]

True and the same is happening in this comment section. Instead of pointing that BP was wronged, it's become a "But BTS did ...." And then taking them out of context. That KZbinr was wrong and some blinks are not making it right either.

[@Beautyfaerie-bff]

​@@anishaganguly1440why in the end always blinks get the blame and y'all always get the innocent tag y'all started this

[@peachiesarepeachy20]

Amazing video as always ! This is what a video thesis is , including great research, great points that are explained very well also that included context . As usual you ate Cheryl ❤!

[@everglowup]

Thanks babes 😘

[@mufinak]

BLACKPINK was NEVER marketed as a feminist group but I guess she got that from blinks who always bring up gender card and misogyny no matter the case while hating on other girlgroups. But still, it has nothing to do with BLACKPINK. They never stated they were feminists, they were never branded like that. Their purpose as a group is to cater to young girls who live through BP's lives and self-insert themselves as one of them. They're not relatable but the luxury surrounding them, the brands, fashion shows, them being insanely attractive, famous, rich, successful and each of them having her own persona (notice how Jennie and Lisa are the most biased) makes young girls envy them so much while others are jealous. YG's strategy with their rare comebacks also adds the luxury factor to it all because at the end of the day it's a genius strategy and even though its hated, it WORKS. They're known as the group that comes back once a year and breaks the records. They were never branded as feminist, it was always the "the girls you will never achieve and be like because they're too powerful and you're not" image and as harsh at it sounds, it made BLACKPINK so successful. Fans live through the members' personas and you can even see that by the behavior blinks show online, with mostly Jennie or Lisa being on their profile pictures. BP's feminism is not flawed because it simply doesn't exist when it comes to them as a kpop group. It's the blinks' performative feminism that's flawed.

[@arinum_sicum]

now we are coming back to our "girl crush " concept 2024/2025

[@hinatahyuuga9182]

Never in my 5 years of listening to bp have I thought they were promoting as a feminist group.

[@samanthakim5035]

I listened to them for like 2 years and a half and for me, their lyrics, in general, are about *women breaking out of toxic and problematic relationships,* or *being a better person and facing it with confidence.* And I'm also convinced that it's the fans and media who said that their main concept is about that.

[@II_II555]

Fr these haters and some obbsessed fans think bp is feminists when they never claimed to be one.😂😂

[@blobyeol27i72]

For the first point, I would say it's not that KZbinr's fault : girl crush VS hyperfemininity are often thrown against each other so when you praise one, people feel you attack the other. It was already the case before Blackpink existed. For the lyrics/context point, I agree with you. Same thing happened with SM's Girls On Top/GOT the beat, everyone hated on their first single Step Back because of the lyrics but the girls didn't wrote the lyrics (why hate on them ?) and the lyrics described a particular relationship, jealousy exists 🤷‍♀ For the 4th and 5th point, I 100% agree too ! Crazy fans are projecting everything on this group when it's just marketing 🤣 like wake up people, this is a music industry in a capitalist system ! and HOW the hell can you transform a social issue as feminism as a "brand" for a group that *sells* products ??? Privileged/capitalist feminism doesn't make any sense anyway.🙃 About the final point : yeah I watched your BangChan's video ! and yeah, a lot of fans are way too young, that's a real issue. I'm glad I wasn't on the Internet before high school so I could develop/grow/learn (and do crazy/cringy/sometimes bad things) with my parents only, not the whole Internet 😬 Overall, I really think the intention behind the video was primarly good (especially for crazy fans claiming that "BP are godesses and feminists icons" or "girl crush concept is true feminism/empowerment, other concepts sux" - the truth is we know that girl crush have its flaws, especially the rich & pretty girl concept (class&beauty standards privilege) and we know that South Korea is late on the scale of men/women equality compared to other rich countries). So yeah, good intentions but the execution and arguments were 🤨😑🤔🤐🙄😒

[@lisaatedalgomschocolate8237]

but bo themselves haven't bashed hyper feminity, so what's your point?

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

Agreed. The OG artist also have an issue with straight up hating BP for stuff groups she likes (BTS) have done. Like one short she made was being rude about lyrics BP made basically flexing they are popular and rich then have another short praising BTS freestyle rapping about the same thing. I don't mind them flexing about it but u can't hate on someone for doing that saying BP is anti women when BTS do it and not considered anti men

[@bbi2.052]

Got my tea hot and ready ☕️

[@musicchi]

I got my peach flavored tea ☕

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

I got my matcha tea 😭 I actually have lemonade cus Im too lazy to make tea rn

[@c._.lover.]

i got my coke cuz I hate tea

[@girlnamjooning]

I have my milk ready....

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

@@girlnamjooning wait u said u got milk- DAD IS THAT YOU?

[@lakshyK]

"Boys be loving me and girls be hating me" is a lyric from the original song sung by wonder girls tho and correct me if I'm wrong but other groups have also sung this lyric while covering so hot (Ik Twice did) so.... I didn't understand why she even said in her essay

[@pinkysaints2309]

I don’t get why they brought up the so hot lyrics when it’s not even blackpinks song!

[@YTMidnightPlayzz]

Ikr?! Since when did kpop idols do covers only for supporting their "brand"?

[@pinkysaints2309]

Like get mad at JYP….

[@joyosolo477]

Because the rap part both Jennie’s and Lisa’s were written by them

[@obianujuchinemelu5455]

Thank you so much. The video was so nasty and I just didn't know how to discuss it without getting too involved

[@mani-ei5kq]

I'm glad you made this video. What you said at the end is basically what happened with me. I saw a lot of blinks whining and being immature as per usual so I assumed it was something diving straight into the source of the problem. I defended the video from people who clearly weren't even trying to understand it past 3 minutes of watching before leaving a comment. Now, I still do agree with most of the points Sonyeonstan has made about the group, but I feel as though she could have made stronger connections and presented the argument better. Especially as an ex-blink myself with knowledge enough to know the context of most songs (ex-blink for reasons that didn't involve flawed feminist branding; did not have that concept at the time). I think my personal bias against toxic blinks kind of clouded my judgement of the video, as my energy was more focused on arguing with them than properly analyzing. With that said, I do wish you presented your points in a more clear way and went a little bit more in depth with the points you have been making. For example, you started off talking about bias and ego and I was expecting you to go into hypocrisy within her video. You instead went on to talk about how she cherry-picked evidence; specifically the one poorly made article. While yes, there are a few hints of bias you brought up in between later points, it was not as clearly presented as the others and I feel that it warranted some exploration on its own. Other than that, I do believe that this was an important video to make for both toxic blinks and the people arguing with those blinks in her comments instead of taking the video at more than face value.

[@soulfeelinga7966]

Well, blackpink doesn't sing about feminism, they were never published like this. That doesn't mean they aren't feminist girls, but they're music doesn't talk about that, and it's totally fine. They're badass, that's their concept, they talk about relationships and typically girl stuff, not feminist but female related, why every women should sing about feminism? Their music simple and easy to listen, it's entertaining, it doesn't need to have a deep meaning, it's fine. They're not looking for man attention, neither are trying to prove a point in feminism. Let's stop trying to cancel everyone for stupid things.

[@sunshineyy00]

Well she is actually one of my fav ktubers, but i did disagree with most part of the vid. I do appreciate some of the points put forth, like for eg : the typa girl part (oh boi that song was not it). But on the whole, i felt like it merely scratched the surface basically telling us what has been told over and over again about the group, coupled with a lot of generalizations and exaggerations. And ofc, sweetie as far is bp is concerned, the double standards are baffling!

[@Nameless_mixes]

I just thought of something. Even if they were feminists, why WOULD they portrays themselves as such? Let’s remember, KPop is focused at the Korean market (I know, shocking). And they’re nowhere near as socially progressive as the rest of the world (mainly pertaining to North America, Europe, and Australia). Feminism is viewed in an even darker light over there. Just look at what happened to Irene after reading a feminist book. And how Mamamoo have defied gender norms in how they embrace their bodies. They aren’t embraced with open arms. They’re cancelled. If Blackpink tried promoting messages of “All women are amazing and can do anything and we stand by each and every one of them”, they’re alienating a decent number of their fanbase (and it’s sadly not exclusive to just the male fans). Y’all think YG, the guy who so bluntly referred to BP as the prettier version of 2NE1, is going to try pushing a female group centered around women’s empowerment? Not a chance. Since Blackpink is so girl boss centric in concept, it works out perfectly so that people can interpret them as feminist without them actually being so. Four strong and talented women singing about how amazing they are? Must be feminists! Then someone comes along and condemns them for it, and YGE can step in and say “Now when did we ACTUALLY say they were feminists?” It’s similar to how a lot of media companies portray LGBTQ+ representation. You can assume all you want as long as it keeps you giving us money. But the second someone confronts us, we’ll deny any sort of representation to keep our donors happy. Anyways, you did a great job with this and I’ll have to look into SonyeonStan’s vid at some point. It definitely sounds like they didn’t present a well crafted argument and are just compensating for it with “I put in a lot of effort so you should believe me”.

[@YTMidnightPlayzz]

It was definitely not a well thought out essay (In my humble opinion, of course). However, I would love to hear what you think of it!

[@oneusforall057]

@@YTMidnightPlayzz Hey! Nameless here! This is my KTube account. I commented on Sonyeonstan's video with this account. But in case they delete my comment or you don't want to look for my comment on their video (plus, that won't give them unneeded views), I'll post my thoughts in the replies here!

[@oneusforall057]

Here are my thoughts. Again, they're on Sonyeonstan's vid as well. Sorry that it's so long. Y'all know me. Always writing essays lol "I figured I'd check out this vid and see what all the fuss is about (and to give it a fair chance). So, after watching it, here are my thoughts: *TLDR: Strong talking points, wrong argument.* What surprised me is the clear amount of effort that went into researching for this video. But it missed the main focus; Blackpink being marketed as a feminist group. The video consistently pointed out that media outlets and especially Blinks have slapped the label of feminism onto Blackpink. But I never once saw an instance where YGE or Blackpink themselves were shown marketing the group as being feminist. If anything, your talking point about their lyrics contradicted your original talking point. How is Blackpink being marketed as a feminist group when their discography is written by men, about men, for men? If your video was titled something like "Blinks Need To Stop Labeling Blackpink as Feminists", then you would've had an amazing video. And I really do appreciate you going through the instances of Blinks trying to push these narratives that just don't hold up. For instance, when Blinks say that Blackpink "doesn't cater to male audiences", we all know that's not true. They embrace the same physiques and styling choices as their peers. Having a different sound doesn't mean they aren't doing other things to appease the male gaze (again, this is especially true knowing the demographics of those behind the scenes). And then you dove into how Blinks tried manipulating the timeline for "The Idol" to act like Jennie was hoodwinked into remaining on the project. You're right. It was her decision and she's a grown adult. She can do what she wants. Whether or not her fans enjoy the content or should be watching it based on how old they are is up to their own discretion, not hers. But yeah, being portrayed as "feminists" wouldn't be a good career move from YGE's perspective. We've seen female idols getting hated on (such as Irene of Red Velvet or Solar and Hwasa of Mamamoo). for things like talking about books or wearing what they think is comfortable on stage. Feminism isn't seen under a positive light in South Korea. So, it's unlikely that girl groups (especially under the Big 3) are going to promote it. The closest we've gotten is probably from groups such as (G)I-DLE with "Lion" and "Queencard" and Everglow with "Pirate". Blackpink's discography is less "girl power" oriented and more similar to Itzy's where it's about self-empowerment. For girl groups that are more like the former, Little Mix and even Fifth Harmony are good examples from recent years. Speaking of concepts, I personally disagree with everything that you said about girl crush and how it essentially invalidates other concepts. I love how you pointed out that feminism is about embracing yourself. But then how is girl crush flawed when there are women that find the concept to be representative of themselves? There's power in both embracing traditionally feminine traits and activities as well as trying out ones that are traditionally viewed as masculine. Some women just want to throw on some combat boots and a bomber jacket and sing about how great they are. Plenty of groups focus on girl crush while not abandoning their femininity such as CLC, AOA, and Blackswan. Blackpink is the same way. And them focusing on more girl crush oriented music isn't mutually exclusive to also invalidating their peers that make more cute, elegant, and hyper feminine oriented music. The last thing that I want to touch upon is the creative direction of "Kill This Love" (14:17). Personally, I'm okay with portraying an ab*sive relationship with scars, cuts, bruises, etc. when it comes to art. It's a way in which the artist can outlet their emotions that they experienced during those times. Don't get me wrong, when James Charles was doing it to hop on some TikTok trend because "being ab*sed is so aesthetic", I nearly lost it. Also, even if they're not dressed in full out military gear, their outfits were pretty reminiscent of what one would expect from female fighters as depicted in media (mainly film, television, and video games). Outfits designed both for dynamics and to be visually appealing more so than practicality (hence why they weren't covered in dirt because this is still a music video and they still need to look attractive). Also, there's a scene where Jisoo is firing an arrow. So, the "they aren't holding any weapons" argument is rendered mute. Not to mention how the choreography is supposed to be of them firing an as*ault weapon. So, I do think the arguments that Blinks made about the marks being from battle/fighting have a ring of truth to them. At the end of the day, you set out to prove that Blackpink should stop being labeled as feminists. But you chose the wrong people to target the arguments at. I don't believe that Blackpink have ever claimed to be feminists. And YGE wouldn't do so when YG himself promoted Blackpink as the prettier version of 2NE1. This video was missing any sort of posts/promotions/communications from Blackpink/YGE to prove in the first place that this was their aim. Instead, it focused on writings by fans and article writers that were merely interpreting Blackpink as feminists without having actually been show that there were. Even your arguments about your perceived flaws come from how audiences perceive the concept and not the way in which companies market it. Again, if you had taken your main argument and directed it at the public/Blinks and made this about how people should stop forcing a label onto Blackpink or assuming that just because they're portrayed as four confident women doesn't equate to them promoting feminism, this video would have been amazing and had a strong argument. But since the direction was aiming fault at Blackpink and YGE for things that you never demonstrated them actually doing, the video in itself is flawed. It was still interesting to watch and I'm glad that I took the time to do so. Thank you if you've read my comment (trust me, I know it's a lot). To anyone who did, make sure to drink some water because we do not stan dehydration in this house lol"

[@bleepbleeep]

⁠@@oneusforall057”i love how you pointed out that feminism is about embracing yourself. but then how is girl crush flawed when there are women that find the concept to be representative of themselves” BOOM. EXACTLY

[@gyal7892]

​@@oneusforall057 love ur comment

[@yoonlizzz1512]

hey, i really want you to make a video on how armys are blaming exo and many other bands just of the statements bts made in the "beyond the story" book. This case seems really similar to that of Bangchan, uk like when he said about the juniors and everyone blamed wonyoung. The same way bts said their seniors and juniors neglected then and now armys have taken it up on themselves to bash every idol for it. I really hope you do make it if not then also it's fine :)

[@yoonlizzz1512]

i did make a video on it on instagram, but i personally feel you would be able to explain it better? coz i've since you're videos and the things you say i mean they way you say things impacts people differently. In a good way. because i've managed to learn a lot from your videos

[@yoonlizzz1512]

@@mediverge doesn't matter dude. armys should know their place and stfu because bts didn't name call anyone neither did bts tell their fans to go after the people who didn't treat them right. armys don't have any proof against the idols they are attacking so please this nonsense needs to stop.

[@8luvbug]

BTS really said seniors and juniors neglected them? Let guess it was suga who said it? It seems to have a perpetual victim complex

[@8luvbug]

And why would they thinks its exo when some of exo are friends with BTS?

[@8luvbug]

@@mediverge Look up what a victim complex is. Suga is the only one who constantly whines and brings up crap that happened years ago. He got everything he wanted and still complains

[@userjyjv]

as an army, truly thanks for making this video. It truly frustrates me when people make videos with 0 logical thought behind them. Armys and blinks can critisice each other but that kinda not well thought out videos only divides us more and creates polarization between the fandoms. Its about time that we stop being childish and start respecting people

[@saptaparnabhattacharya5908]

Why were people calling you rude for this ? You just give your opinion

[@CrystaICupid]

As someone who isn't huge on Blackpink, Idk wtf SonyeonStan was talking about, Literally NOBODY thought those lyrics were supposed to be misogynistic, bro was pulling shit outta their ass just cuz they dont like blackpink instead of pointing out valid points

[@Mr_DPZ]

The original essay was really trying to apply the Bechdel test to pop songs. 🤦‍♀ Most pop songs are about love or attracting a lover, and most love songs are heteronormative. Pop songs by boy groups wouldn't pass a reverse Bechdel test.

[@arianawendymangagirl]

Bysides, it was made as a satire of how women are portrayed in the media - it's not meant to be used in a serious way like that

[@COTHECOMEDIAN]

BLACKPINK are a group Of girls who do what they want. They aren’t trying to be the next person they just have their beliefs and stick to them. And that’s what I believe and I think that’s fine. They live for themselves

[@pablolozano162]

blackpink have never marketed themselves as feminists, only blinks have, and let's not pretend like any other fandom does not say things like these about their idols too, but if you wanna blame it on blinks that's understandable. however, they are often referred to as an empowering group by the media, and I can't say I disagree: their most popular songs are all about straight-forward confidence, portraying the image of succesful powerful women that don't back down to haters, which many people have probably been inspired by. as you have pointed out, there are many lyrics open to interpretation that can be understood as mysoginistic if used out of context and with a biased point of view. even so, people need to understand the difference between the marketing of a group and the reception of their concept: you cannot hold blackpink accountable for something they never defined themselves as, but you cannot be mad at people either for feeling empowered by their songs and voicing it out, as long as these people do not mistake feeling empowered and strong because of their songs for "feminism", which they are not.

[@chiquibombom1460]

This honestly disappoints me when it comes to making essays/video essays. So many of her mistakes and irresponsible research would not pass a college-level class. Even skimming through the article, it is clear that it is not credible and informative enough to be used as a reference. A high school student would have even been able to notice how badly this essay was constructed. What scares me is that there are so many people in the comments that believe that the video essay was good to begin with. Like, how are y'all that blindsided and can't see the inconsistencies?

[@YTMidnightPlayzz]

Also the fact that she used random tweets and tiktok compilations as "credible" sources is sending me 😭🤦‍♀️💀

[@samanthakim5035]

Video essays are either helpful or manipulation. That's why I chose video essays carefully. Thankfully, the algorithm suggested great videos (for now)

[@anishaganguly1440]

When I saw it, the only merit was the analysis of the lyrics. Rest was Bs. Idc what the girls believe in personally and whether the songs reflect that or not. They can be feminist and be forced to sing songs that contradict it. Happens in every industry. It's like expecting the Lyricist to actually be in love to write a song about. It helps but not necessary. All I got from it was the lyrics (whoever wrote them) needs to mature up because BP has an international presence and they need to be able to say "we have good lyrics".

[@adot...]

I know this is a little late but I have to say this, your point with the fact that thesis needs research is SO DAMN TRUE! I live in the UK and at 15-16 we take GCSE'S and most of the writing subjects such as History, R.S and Literature and we have to do a whole ton of research before taking the exam and that is the only way we can make a proper essay. We're talking 2-3 years of lessons to prepare us for these exams. Those lessons are filled with the knowledge and research we need to be prepared to make an argument for the essay. That's how you form a thesis. Another thing, you cannot make an essay without having at least 2-3 different sides of an argument. And NONE ARE WRONG. One may just be more reliable TO US. That's how we form opinions. Not just by one opinion but by several. My dad told me this when I was younger "you cannot see the top of the mountain from 1 angle, there are 359 other angles you haven't seen yet". And I live by that. I love learning new ways people see things but you need to be able to support that argument. You can't just be saying things with the weakest and most minimal research. You need to do active research to create an opinion.

[@NYROViEM]

I would also like add to this discussion that BTS have a song called “War of Hormone” which was at the time of release in 2014 highly liked and praised. Today you do see ARMYs liking the song but putting a heavy disclaimer on it that “they don’t support the lyrics”. Why don’t they support the lyrics? Because they are, in fact, misogynistic. Full stop. I’m not sure if they have ever apologised for said song nor talked about its meaning but I still find it odd that she would use fake and shallow instances of lyric misrepresenting to call BP the same thing her favourite artist did in one of their songs. It would be a much more interesting and progressive discussion to tackle that, rather than make up lies for the sake of proving an agenda you have.

[@ijm1261]

People would rather critique women's "flawed feminism" than men's antifeminism.

[@tolanisimpson5360]

​@@ijm1261 THIS!!! Make it make sense because I do not understand the lack of logic in this context.

[@ijm1261]

@tolanisimpson5360 I will never understand it and the fact that it gets turned into fanwars is disgusting. BP never claimed to be anything close to perfect and the video essays critiquing them are so weird.

[@tolanisimpson5360]

@@ijm1261 Literally!! Can we let Blackpink exist peacefully without them being dragged for things they didn't claim themselves as?

[@ijm1261]

@@tolanisimpson5360 Please!!!

[@sakuravelvet]

guys Irene is my blackpink bias (real)

[@Eunwoo29409]

Rosè is my neighbor she worked saur hard to get to yg strugles of us indians😢

[@silverdrew6104]

The thing with writing thesis is either it is quantitative meaning with actual numbers, statistics and data or qualitative meaning more about observation but should be objective and have no bias from the point of view of the creator. That is why qualitative thesis is harder to defend than quantitative.

[@l.m.aoooooooo]

Most of those comments were just people that dont like the group and instead of actually checking if what the person is saying is actually reasonable just agree with it because they hate the group that video just seemed very unprofessional for someone that claims to be educated in the topic

[@BLACKPINK_BLINK906]

I knew you were talking about soyeonstan 😂😂❤️❤️girl you ate

[@hanmira]

I very much agree with this video. While crazy Blinks are misusing the word feminism and throwing the word around like crazy, individuals on the internet have the responsibility to think for themselves and have to do research if needed. If people on the internet due to their own ignorance believe that BLACKPINK are a feminist group instead of researching for themselves, then that’s no one’s fault, but their own (and maybe Blinks’). If people are too lazy to do research or don’t bother to even know, then that’s fine and absolutely okay. I couldn’t care less to be honest. What I do have a problem is, is people using their own flawed perception of BP and their own unrealistic expectations against BP, and then continuing to criticize BP for a problem they basically created in their head. Of course it’s tiring to hear from Blinks that BLACKPINK are feminists, but even though I consider myself to be apart of the BLACKPINK fandom (meaning being more likely to engage with Blinks and getting videos recommended from Blinks), I did my own research and concluded for myself that BLACKPINK are in fact not a feminist group, never branded themselves as a feminists, and that even YG was the very first to go against the feminist agenda by marketing them as the prettier version of 2ne1. So while I do agree that Blinks’ excessively branding of BP being feminists is problematic and just flat out false, not correcting your own perception of BP can become problematic as well and kind of ironic.

[@ananyasubramani4596]

At the end of the day, BlackPink are a group of 'strong women' written by men. To men, strong women always think they're better than other girls (read: Gone Girl's Cool Girl essay) and will write them as such, consciously or subconsciously. On the other hand, when you have women writing empowering songs, they rarely find the need to put down other women in doing so. Great example would be IVE's I AM, written by a female lyricist. The song pushes people (especially young girls, the majority of IVE's fanbase), to believe in themselves and trust that the choices they make will lead them well. The opening line is literally 'don't follow me, you're on your path, I'm on mine', whereas if Black Pink sings it, it would've been something along the lines of 'I'm tired of all these girls following me'. Soyeon's lyrics, while cringe at times, never criticize other girls or imply that G-Idle are prettier, better, skinnier than them. In fact, their latest album does the opposite of that. Also, your own research is flawed when you discuss BP's cover of So Hot with added lyrics referencing how they 'dominate' Kpop when in fact this cover was performed back in 2016, when they were still rookies. Now, while their impact as rookies was still huge, they were nowhere near the global juggernaut they became AFTER D4's release. They were still overshadowed by Twice, and in 2017, even by Red Velvet. 'We're the only gang that runs the game in high heels' does not make sense IN CONTEXT because they weren't running any games back then. Again, those aave lyrics written by men were just imitations of what Black female rappers write, without YG's producers understanding the intent behind those lyrics. I wouldn't call it misogynistic though, just a poor attempt at copying Western female rappers. Overall, I find it very ironic how Black Pink get a pass for cringey ass lyrics written by men when groups like GOT The Beat, Itzy, and more get ripped to shreds for effectively doing the same thing. Kpop stans need to be consistent with their criticism. Again, I truly do believe a lot of BP's lyrics are misogynistic, not because the girls themselves are, but because men, especially Korean ones, do often write lyrics via a misogynistic lens. Reaching to label the girls anti-feminist isn't good, but reaching to defend and absolve their lyrics of how problematic they sometimes are isn't the way to approach the subject either. All in all, I don't think this was a 'scholarly' or nuanced look at Blackpink's femininity and image either. We could've had an intelligent video about how men create, package, and market girl groups and how the industry as a whole doesn't understand the concept of female acceptance and friendship as a way of inspiring and empowering women (apart from outliers like I AM or Allergy). Instead we got a very harsh tear down of another KZbinr's video and several unnecessarily mean quips about her intelligence. Not cool.

[@ananyasubramani4596]

@@_tripalong A lot of super young people in this comments section for sure lol

[@AB-yk2pq]

Thank you. I'm sick of this parrot behaviour in K-pop. Both of them made good points in their videos, but both of them also have flaws in their videos. Which is alright, it's great have open discussion unless it doesn't turn into some drama. As far as I'm aware of they're both adults, so if they talked with each other instead of writing community posts both videos would be more sorted out.

[@brokenmeIodies]

💯💯

[@UMMH2000]

​​@@ananyasubramani4596 I agree with your thesis. I wished your comment was top comment or pinned. It was humble and non degrading to both KTubers. I responded to everglowup on how I disagreed with most of what she said. Example: the part in her video where she stated, all heterosexual women desiring attention from men to prove the accuracy of Blackpinks lyric. I disagrees with this, because we all don't. Especially SA and r*pe victims, then shared mine own sa experience to her and why I think that part she stated was incorrect, but stated I still enjoyed her video. She responded "smh that completely went over your head". I was so stunned by her coldness, especially since she did a video defending Blackpink from a mildly incorrect and irresponsible video from Soyeanstan and from unwell haters. Then when she said this another rude commenter responded rudely and dismissive to me. We have to ensure as women even if we disagree we respectfully do so, and correct our followers or people who agree us if they use others viewpoints to verbally and physically attack other women who may make a mistake or disagrees with us, aswell as humble ourselves if we ourselves are wrong and simply admit it, so we can mature better and have better civil discussions with each other. If not, we will be repeating the same mistakes men and women in the past made.

[@UMMH2000]

​@@AB-yk2pq 💯 Agreed. Neither video was perfect and needed room for improvement.