That's Smart Jordan Rules A Detroit Pistons Secret To Stopping MJ

[@artmeddaugh6669]

As a lifelong Detroit Pistons fan since the 70's it gives me great pleasure that my Bad Boys did Michael Jordan DIRTY during this time period because they were on a mission to become NBA World Champions. They didn't give two $hit's about MJ, he was just an obstacle in the pathway to the Crown. There are no regrets, and definitely no apologies. We take great pride in the fact that our Bad Boys put MJ and his baby bulls out of the playoffs three years in a row, while going to the NBA Finals and representing the Eastern Conference all three years and winning Back-to-Back NBA Worlds Championships at his expense. All those MJ fans love it, eat it, enjoy it, but don't deny it, because the Bad Boys were the best thing going during those days. Bad Boys 4 Life!!

[@CoreyT127]

Their simply remembered as the first obstacle Jordan overcame! Just another small part in the Jordan story! Only time anyone mentions them!

[@michaelwhite3607]

Love listening to your takes. Also one thing this video leaves out is that this was the famous migraine game for Pippen. He scored 2 points, 2 assists and two rebounds. Jordan averaged 32, 7 and 6 for the series and took this team 7 games. I’m taking nothing away from what Detroit did. They had the better team. They knew MJ needed to score 40 to beat them. Scottie averaged 17.2 a game that season and was in year three. So some of the forced shots he was taking wasn’t unwillingness to pass as much as it was knowing he had to score to win. I respect the Pistons up until they started throwing cheap punches. Lambieer even tried to decapitate Bird a couple years earlier.

[@Cawby]

It's definitely smart, the concept of "Make Jordan beat us 5v1 cause no one else on the bulls can beat us" worked well until Jordans teammates finally developed. Despite all that he still averaged over 30 a game on them. Them and the sonics did the best at slowing him down. 27ppg his worst finals scoring performance in that 96 series.

[@mannyneva1760]

They weren’t old and his teammates finally improved their game…Paxson Pippen Grant all became more efficient and more reliable by 91 after 4 years of their choking

[@johnkeros9109]

I was around for the Bad Boys. Soon as they (and Celtics & Lakers) were downside, is when Bulls won. 3-1 in 4 Pistons-Bulls series. Don't want excuses? Then no excuses, 3-1 Pistons-Bulls in playoff series.

[@dylanlanzuela7305]

@@johnkeros9109 CONTEXT. Pistons won when Jordan had no ONE. If Pippen didn't had a Migraine in game 7, it would be 2-2. It's like saying you beat up your little brother when you were Kids. Lol

[@artmeddaugh6669]

By the 1991 ECF the Pistons Isiah Thomas, Mark Aguirre, Vinnie Johnson, Bill Laimbeer, and James Edwards all had 10 years or more playing in the NBA. The 1991 ECF was Detroit's fifth in a row, and they had played in the NBA Finals the last three years in a row, which means they had played more basketball than any other team in the NBA during that time. Think before you type...

[@mannyneva1760]

@@artmeddaugh6669 doesn’t mean they were old cuz they weren’t stop fkn lying…what that make the 98 Bulls? Ancient? Fk outta here

[@CoreyT127]

@@artmeddaugh6669As soon the could no longer play jailhouse D. They completely fell off within 2 years!

[@Carl-gj4ed]

I think MJ was making around $500K per season during the late 80s and around $20M during the 90s. He wasn't making bank like Harden or Lebron and still played 82 games each season and didn't make excuses. Also, fun fact, MJ only played 13 games where he scored less than 10 points. That's out of 1072 games. That's insane.

[@whartonarseino8849]

I wonder how many of those games were in the 1985-86 season and his Wizards years.

[@Carl-gj4ed]

@@whartonarseino8849 Interesting questions so I looked it up. There was 1 game in the 86 season and 12 as a Wizard but he was a bench player for the Wizards.

[@whartonarseino8849]

@@Carl-gj4ed My thought exactly outside of his 85-86 season (which I knew about surprisingly) Jordan never really scored under 10 as a Bull. Thank you for the knowledge

[@Carl-gj4ed]

@@whartonarseino8849 More fun facts: 52% of the games he played scored over 30 points. Has 31 games with over 50 points following Wilt. Played all 82 games in 9 seasons. It's a long list :) MJ is my GOAT. I watched all his games on live TV as a kid and experienced the thrill of double 3-peat as a teenager so I'm a bit biased :)

[@whartonarseino8849]

@@Carl-gj4ed it means you know what you're talking about when it comes to Jordan.

[@arthurgoerner488]

Glad to see you have evolved your opinion of the Pistons.

[@felixmalcherek2919]

Honestly, at that ballgrab by Isia at @19:25, I wouldn't have called a foul. That was a solid steal in mid-air. Physical, yes, but not a foul.

[@felixmalcherek2919]

Same on that last spin layup. Where is that a foul? The whole point of spinning is to avoid contact, how could there have been a call-worthy foul? XD

[@jeffmorphis5667]

They changed the rules so he could have success. Facts

[@jordanlover23]

What few people realize is that the Pistons devised the Jordan Rules for the '88 playoffs because Jordan, over the course of 12 meetings in the 1987 and '88 regular seasons, averaged something like 39 ppg/52% FG against them, including 2 or 3 games of 50+ pts. And this is against two of the best defenders of all time in Rodman and Dumars taking turns on him. Think about that.

[@msw8966]

We were watching Basketball God's.Some the best games of all time.

[@CoreyT127]

89 ECF!

[@lemgunz8829]

If mj can average 37 in this era.. Imagine how many points he can have if you cant touch him now.. huh

[@mannyneva1760]

The reason Worm could defend that level was his endurance and strength. If you notice when Rodman guards MJ the trap comes after the first dribble.

[@JulioLeonFandinho]

hats off to the late great Chuck Daly, who orchestrated that amazing, unforgetable squad

[@jimmyboy131]

Laimbeer just looks like a villain. He's got that look. If I was going to cast a movie villain I'd pick him.

[@001Flange]

This is why Chuck Daly was the coach of the Dream Team.

[@mannyneva1760]

Isiah and Dumars numbers are sub par when MJ defended them. MJ wasn’t tired he was beat up by the 4th quarter

[@TrojanRabbit521]

Pistons dared refs to call every foul. Can’t foul out entire team… who wants to watch 1000 free throws? They knew they could play that rough and get away with it. Why we hated them, why got 2 rings vs Celtics, Showtime Lakers & Jordan

[@davidcantin9560]

It worked. They didn't injure him. They took the fouls. It was part of the game.

[@mannyneva1760]

Oscar started the “jordan rules” in 1984 when he was the coach of the nba all stars bs team USA. That’s the year that prepared MJ for the league

[@alfredoramos9782]

This is one of the reasons today's rule is very soft, Lebum would cry if the 80's defense is against him

[@AyySolid]

I’m saying he be hurt out of the league in 3 years of play

[@jeffreyguyot1277]

That game 7 in 1990 was Pippen’s migraine game. I think Jordan averaged 37 points for his career against the Pistons. But to your point that Rodman could hold MJ to 10 points or under, you’re way off guard. The player who could or could’ve done that hasn’t been born yet or ever will, he would have to be created in a mad scientist’s lab.

[@jayyarbrough9902]

Pistons CALLED the Lakers and Celtics old as they were playing them. 5 straight conference finals and 3 nba finals in that physical era hit different.

[@ijamorris]

When the bulls swept them Isaiah 29, joe dumars 28, rodman 30, laimbeer 34, John Sally 27, mahorn 33. Stop the old cap laimbeer. They were the defending champs and got swept. Curry and Durant is 34 and 33 today.

[@ivanrivera9791]

is not like they ask to be like this era cause it was still crazy but dammmmm thats not basketball thats football , shit we all know detroit is a crazy city but leave the streets in the streets and the pro to the pro like dammmm you see how crazy it was cause he still got beat up in NY and every were else but the pistons just did not care and 45 point even with that beating come on they were scare thats why 2 years later he woop or sweep them is not like it was 10 years later no 2 years after so please i mean you all seen this fucking defence is crazy and to even score 45 point every game you have to be in another level

[@richievelvet]

Another reason rodman switched out on jordan was because Daly preferred using him off the bench, so rodman could play more aggressively and not foul out

[@archieleonard4299]

Give those props to Chuck Daily an also the coach of the Dream Team.

[@Tacs1969]

No wonder MJ took it personal when pistons refused to do the hand shake when bulls won over the pistons. He's been through a lot during the Jordan rules, they literally almost crippled michael.

[@jackastor5265]

Bill Laimbeer saying "they got old" is horse shit. In 1991 when the Bulls won their first title, Joe Dumars was 28, Bill Laimbeer was 34, Rodman was 30, John Salley was 27, ans Isiah was 30. Their entire starting 5 was pretty much in their prime still.

[@artmeddaugh6669]

Isiah Thomas, Mark Aguirre, Bill Laimbeer, Vinnie Johnson, Rick Mahorn and James Edwards had all had 10 years or more playing in the NBA when the 1991 ECF started, which was their fifth ECF in a row. Detroit also played in the previous three NBA Finals, which means they played more basketball than any other team in the NBA during that time. It's not an age factor, it's the miles on the tire factor. Those six men had played hundreds of more NBA games at that time than Michael Jordan did, plain and simple. Think before you type...

[@jackastor5265]

@@artmeddaugh6669 Nice story, some of those guys were in their 20's. It was not an old team, not by a long shot.

[@dominiccampbell181]

Remember when Draymond kept getting in trouble during the finals for being too physical, or when he got suspended that one game 5, that's what would have happened. He tried to say that they got old, but only a few players were anywhere close being considered old. Dumars, Thomas, Rodman and several others were two or less years older.

[@MC-cyh]

They changed the rules bc all out fights were happening in ALL cities. However, you have to give props to the Pistons for actually forcing Jordan to focus on his weaknesses. Before them, MJ was a ball hog, and was weak going left. If he went on the Paint... he had to pay. Knowing all of this and willing to strengthen his weaknesses, pass more and still drive to the hole, is what led to 6 rings. This happened in 1988. It made MJ a team player. Lebron has never had to deal with this kind of abuse...and play all 82 games. Favorite video! Hand checking 🤣🤣🤣 MJ was jumped literally every time he got near the basket. Oh, and Isaiah Thomas can jump!!!

[@vincespell]

Michael Jordan averaged 37 points per game against the Pistons and that's with Dumars and Rodman guarding him. They beat Mike down but they couldn't stop him from averaging 37 points a game!

[@shade0180]

He was dropping 50 before they started the Jordan Rule.

[@pp3k3jamail]

I Always thought the Jordan rules was to let Michael Jordan score his points and shut down the rest of his teammates. Because technically the bulls didn't overtake the Pistons until the rest of Michael Jordan's teammates started playing better against the Pistons

[@speedymaster5758]

Plain and simple, the bad boys exploited the wording of the rules to the full extent they could back then, literally to absolute limit of the wording of the rules in the late 80s and early 90s.. then throw in the cheap shots.. Bad boys version of goat rodman was a freak on defence and could slow MJ down alot well 2xDPOY awards makes goat Rodman one of the top 5 defenders of all time due to his flexibility of being a perimeter or paint defender during his bad boys days, bulls he was more of a post up paint defender than a perimeter defender.. Rodman was able draw so many offensive fouls especially charges due to using the rules to his advantage.. Sliding his feet and body into defensive position and staying slightly infront of the player on the court and drew so many charges.. His basketball IQ was off the charts and thats the bulls crazily took him on for the second 3peat IF you look at MJ's average against the Bad boys during the season its 38.5 PPG and in the play offs its 32.8 PPG which is more impressive knowing what he was up against each time MJ played the bad boys.. TO me thats just insanity averaging those numbers against physical defence and cheap shots.. FYI my goat Rodzilla is my goat but I do appreciate greatness when I see it and thats why MJ is the big ole billy GOAT

[@jasonbeck6104]

That's what a complete team... Their watch has ended and we will never see the likes of them again.....

[@jerrylattimore9232]

IF YOU WIN WIN FAIRLY, TO WIN THAT WAY IS JUST PLAIN DIRTY, THAT'S WHY PEOPLE SEE THAT TEAM TILL THIS DAY, AS A DIRTY TEAM, ANY ONE OF THOSE FOULS COULD HAVE BEEN A CAREER ENDING INJURY. ITS CALLED BASKETBALL NOT WRESTLING. IF YOU CAN SEE THAT AS GOOD THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING DIRTY IN YOU. IF YOU PLAY BALL, SEE IF YOU LIKE IT IF IT HAPPENS TO YOU. THERE IS NOTHING HONORABLE IN WINNING THAT WAY.

[@alfredoramos9782]

There's no easy a player gets an easy and one in the 80's

[@myprettybabies1975]

i like defensive plays, physicality in the 90s games. but when the pistons were giving cheap shots, there's a difference between good defense & hurting someone that could end their career- that's just plain wrong not smart defense. Isiah said they all took turns defending MJ & MJ still averaged 36 or 37+ points against them. Then when the pistons got swept, their excuse was they got old. the pistons inflicted pain on MJ, IT retired BEFORE MJ due to injury... karma.

[@jameyhooper8365]

Good video

[@AyySolid]

Appreciate it

[@jameyhooper8365]

They show 3-4 clips of the pistons being physical and that's what makes you believe it was like this every trip down the court...it wasn't. Watch an entire game and you'll see.. Bulls were physical also and these type of plays shown in the clips were rare. Bad Boys for life!

[@CumpasFilms]

this is why i cant fault MJ for using his clout to keep Thomas out of the dream team.

[@alfredoramos9782]

If lebum experience this kind of defense, I think he would quit

[@terryclevenger6229]

Watch video of Dennis guarding bird and bird telling his coaches and everyone nobody is guarding me I’m wide open

[@aljilhano5822]

Then show the videos when MJ and the Bulls annihilated the Sadboy Pistons via a sweep 4-0 and were never able to return to their old glory😂🤣🤣

[@halfshot253]

Too add a little more context, they wouldve won the 90 series, had Pippen not choke on that on his "migraine" He was just scared. And the Pistons were not old. they were exactly in their prime Dumars - 28 Salley - 27 Rodman and Isiah - 30 Aguire - 32 Laimbeer - 34 most of the Bulls before '91 were very weak mentally. Grant and Pippen to ne exact. And the Pistons really messed with Jordan more when they traded their enforcer Oakley for Cartwright. The Pistons talking like they dominated the Bulls with Dave Corzine as the 2nd option fir Jordan. The fact is, the Bulls gave them a run for their money.

[@alfredoramos9782]

Xavier Mc Daniel and Michael Cooper can do it also against Jordan

[@michaelwhite3607]

They have a good video on Mitch Richmond and him holding is own a bit during the second three peat years.

[@jeffmorphis5667]

It's a contact sport sir . The entire league played this way

[@jackastor5265]

The Pistons helped shape Jordan into a basketball demi-god.

[@creditorclass6513]

Lebron is a tank, but his free throw % would make this strategy very effective.

[@andrewverburg1805]

Lebron James is a lot bigger and stronger than Michael. They play such a different game. I think Lebron's game would have fit in the 80s if he had time to adjust. I think Michael would be putting up 60-80 per game with todays game.

[@ivanrivera9791]

See this let Lebron play this era please please only Jordan can take this brutal game and still score 30 plus points thats why in this era is so so much easier so please there is no comparison at all when it comes to Jordan

[@Tcheera]

I think it's hilarious when they whine about "getting old" because you can look up stats of the top 10 oldest teams to win a championship... and 3 of them are the 96, 97, and 98 Bulls with the last one being the oldest to ever win. Detroit isn't even on the top 10 list haha. They weren't old -- they just weren't as good.

[@arthurgoerner488]

10 Points for MJ? Not ever.

[@Benayahuw1141]

They ain't showing what they really did to Jordan

[@bawb244]

Lebron would have called the cops on Detroit if he ever played them.

[@alfredoramos9782]

Chuck Daly orchestrated this defense but he has a hard time doing it against Larry the legend Bird

[@JulioLeonFandinho]

No, no, Laimbeer was right, the Pistons were getting old and wasted after 3 consecutive finals, winning 2 (although I count one more because they were robbed against the Lakers)... not only that, before the finals they were reaching conference finals . That's like 5/6 years playing at the higuest level against some of the best teams ever. That's a phenomenal accomplishment, specially considering that squad barely changed, they just traded Arian Dantley for Mark Aguirre. MJ had the luxury of 2 different squads... only Magic's Lakers, during that time, could afford that Laimbeer saying that isn't making excuses or something like that, he said it because those Pistons deserve much more recognition than they historically get. And specially because those Bulls that defeated them, the first 3peat Bulls, weren't as good as the Pistons from 88 to 90, in my opinion. But the narrative is ALL about Michael 🤦‍♂and that's unfair, false and even damaging to the NBA. Like you talking about Lebron... you can't make that comparison you made, it's also unfair and imposible to prove. I'd suggest if you check some Pistons video without focusing on freaking MJ who is everywhere and it's getting really annoying

[@steadyturtle7002]

Pistons teams old at '91? LOLZ, they are still at their prime, dude, maybe only Laimbeer at 34 yo (the oldest). What did they do.when they got swept at '91? No handshaking, just walked off,no sportmanship, just shown that Pistons just a loser team.

[@CumpasFilms]

then Edwards, Sally and Dennis ended up winning rings with MJ

[@My-by]

Mine you this was early in MJ career! Jordan sent all of them into retirement!

[@artmeddaugh6669]

The Bad Boy Detroit Pistons are very happy MJ sent them into retirement, with Three NBA Finals appearances in a row and Back-to-Back NBA Worlds Championship rings on their fingers at Michael's expense. Thank you very much!!

[@CoreyT127]

The second the league didn’t let them play jailhouse D. They fell off! Its like a pitcher hitting a guy every time he bats. Then bragging they shut him down!

[@archieleonard4299]

They nasty but they were a team.

[@paulmayes76]

Bill laimbeer's so full of s***

[@ivanrivera9791]

yes you right dont even another year later doesnt make you 10 years later like you won 1988, 89 or 89 , 90 you just won 2 years in a row then after that Jordan sweep you guys like you got so much older yea right he just figure you guys out with the beating you guy gave him everytime

[@dawoobey7906]

dont get it twistred jordan still average 30 points on the bad boys

[@wilmagillum2526]

Not an entire game because just like Mike would get frustrated then so would Rodman. He is a great defender but not that great. Not 10 points for an entire game.

[@aljilhano5822]

Lequit will cry and retire😂

[@johnkeros9109]

MJ never past 1st Rd in 5 seasons w/o Pippen. Remember, no excuses.

[@kiyoshi3300]

Jordan rules is the proof that MJ is the only one who's carrying the Bulls team. But when Triangle Offense was invented MJ and his team became Dynasty. And you, admiring Jordan Rules because of illegal Defense, Punching, Grabbing, etc. You're just one of those people who loves to see people getting hurt.

[@hovmad8702]

FYI Solid....it's pronounced ahh-rom..it's a very typical Armenian name...😉 LeBron would not last..LeBron cries if another player breathes on him , no way he would be as good as he is ..he would spend dam near all game crying and complaining...he is not built tough, psychically or mentally

[@FUBAR1986]

Thank you for that

[@MrMancreatedgod]

Imagine thinking LeBron ain't built strong physically. Dafuq are you on?

[@AyySolid]

Lebron would be destroyed getting hit like that

[@hovmad8702]

@@MrMancreatedgod being big and physically gifted is not built strong.plenty of guys with a big build who don't play physical...it's how you play using said built..I'm sorry but LeBron would not hang..anytime he gets touched he flops or whines..he does not play physical...compare his game to Barkley...you telling me you can't see a difference in play style?...you telling me LeBron would last playing that style....I don't think so...that's what I'm on...

[@MrMancreatedgod]

Barkley is my 🐐. To pretend LeBron isn't physically tough based on his career is flat out ignorant. Jordan is the 🐐. Barkley is my 🐐. LeBron has always displayed mental weakness not physical. Youre ignorant and biased beyond belief.

[@Wargee4978]

No one can hold MJ to 10 points one or one. You are watching highlights of Jordan's misses. With the Jordan rules, Jordan still averaged 30+ in 48% FG. Stop it, make your research before talking trash

[@mannyneva1760]

Lebron can’t shoot that’s why he couldn’t make it..they’d beat Lebron ass because of it