Elden Ring's Multiplayer Has Issues...

[@thatguybis1997]

Quick correction: I should’ve mentioned humanity, embers, as these were also multiplayer items similar to the Furlcalling Remedy. But those items felt like they served more of a function than just to see summon signs, as they’d heal you, give you more health, etc. The fact that the furlcalling finger remedy’s sole use is for multiplayer feels like a bit more of a gut punch this time around. And honestly, I’d rather them get rid of it entirely, especially since they’re so easy to craft anyway.

[@Alt-uy9xp]

I cant connect to the servers now after 1.04 update.

[@happyjonn9242]

Rune Arcs give extra HP and other bonuses like the old humanity and effigies did. Also the Rennala boss bug has been fixed in the latest patch. I can't believe you didn't talk about the worst problem with multiplayer though, which is the constant disconnects. The disconnects are much worse when using the password system.

[@orphanuprising]

@@happyjonn9242 Yeah the disconnects are my main complaint about multiplayer. Some areas its literally impossible at certain times to stay connected more than 2 minutes. 2 minutes exactly as a matter of fact. I think their servers are overloaded with the massive playerbase, and something is automatically severing connections over a certain time to conserve bandwidth

[@erikburzinski8248]

Pick up the gravity staff us that untill crystal staff then use crystal staff.

[@felwarksmith6239]

The big thing about Elden is they basically split Embers between Rune arcs and Furcalling fingers, also for the only online during phantoms point, there is an item available over the ledge of the roundtable, called the Taunters Tongue, it will allow you to be invaded without summons, closer to the old games

[@WrektSK]

About torrent not being allowed when co-operating... They could've just let us have torrent until an invader came along. As long as there's no invader, I don't see why two partners in a jolly co-op wouldn't be able to ride their own horses to traverse the lands. Once an invader joins, just put us down from the horse like they do in NPC Invasions.

[@simonshephard3834]

Yeah, that's the way it works with NPC invader anyway, why not just apply that to co-op.

[@WrektSK]

@@simonshephard3834 literally the first thing I talked about to my friend while I was helping him in his first steps of ER lol. I might be a veteran but he's a new guy, even he immediately thought of this solution.

[@TheeLZ]

Ok with all the takes I'm reading. As a souls vet, yeah. I can agree with this. Torrent should be allowed like I never understood why it wasn't lmao.

[@rebitedon]

You're making too much sense. Stop it.

[@WrektSK]

@@TheeLZ I know right? It's not like Torrent is there to make things easy, he's there so the open world exploration doesn't feel unbearably slow. Like yeah crossing the Liurnia swamp with my underleveled friend, fully in stealth because otherwise he'd get one shot by pretty much anything was an awesome experience but it gets old after a while and I just wanna get from point A to B and maybe want to do some complex jumps. Been here since Demon's Souls and honestly, wouldn't be a FromSoft game without at least a few of weird decisions that make no sense.

[@louisb.6149]

“You’d think that an extra person would make a boss easier” oh no bro, we don’t do that here

[@MrSlaughterrific]

It does though. Pulling aggro can make some bosses trivial. Added hp is a far cry from being genuinely harder. The only time co op makes a boss harder is when someone isn't pulling their weight in damage

[@QLC88]

@@MrSlaughterrific that's a lie and it has been proven today as they nerfed the hell out your character if the other person is a lower lvl

[@MrSlaughterrific]

@@QLC88 you're talking about summon scaling. Something else entirely. And it's conservative if anything. That has been in since ds3 at least You can still use broken gear.

[@voidmantis9133]

imagine if it had the normal coop system , invite your friend and you play together until someone want to disconect . Can revive each other at grace and refill things there . No limit fog of wall except so we stay not to far from each other . They put a coop mod but dont want us to use it . like wtf . Everybody hate this system since darksouls 1 and they kept it as if it was a personnality . I cant give that game a perfect score only for that .

[@asce9971]

One thing you didn't mention are the coop locks that the game sets upon you for defeating certain bosses. It's infuriating. There is no intel on it whatsoever and you basically have to ignore every fieldboss on the offchance it locks your coop for the entire area. I have played throught he game solo already and now i basically have to tell my coop partner "ok let's ignore this chunk of the map for now there is a boss and we dont know what it will do to our coopability". i have actually started noting what bosses prevent coop for future runs, via uploading my save and savescumming if necessary. Currently our investigation has shown that the Erdtree Avatars seem to be the main culprit. In the starting area of Limgrave it seems to be the Tree Sentinel(which is next level dickishness considering he is the first field boss you ever encounter). In the weeping peninsula, Caelid, Dragonbarrow and Liurnia it was the Erdtree avatar everytime.(In liurnia specifically the northern one). In areas with only 1-2 bosses it seems to be the main boss as Astel locked us out of the Lake of Rot and we have to do the Dragonkin Soldier solo now. Very weird mechanic

[@sanyang8614]

the reason they make you go back to solo after story bosses is for the cutscene i think. some bosses even change the world after being defeated. so basically the game has to load a new world. for example, after you kill radahn there will be an entrance to nokron unlocked.

[@somechinesedude5466]

No boss invasion have existed before elden ring DkS2 dry finger allows invader to invade no boss world & short white signs allows coop player to enter without killing boss, but kill certain amount of enemies & then leave, like ash summons are

[@voidmantis9133]

@@sanyang8614 well then ....make the cooper LOAD and see cutscene .... wooaa

[@sanyang8614]

@@voidmantis9133 what if they only want to help with the boss and not get any spoilers of the story? can't satisfy all you know. with what the game devs have done until now to create this game, i'm sure they thought of it already but for some reason didn't put it in the game. or may be how they code the game doesn't allow them to do that.

[@voidmantis9133]

@@sanyang8614 then before cutscene , ask if you want to proceed or leave .....woooa

[@k3stea451]

I've never even thought that the furcalling remedy was unnecessary in the first place until you mentioned it. Just show whatever signs are available if you're online and show nothing if you're offline

[@thatguybis1997]

That’s what I’m saying. It’s like this weird barrier that really didn’t need to be there.

[@JoshyJegs]

I mean it's kinda like they turned they offline/online option into an item so you don't have to go back to main menu to reenter game in online mode unless I'm remembering that wrong. But also they are easy to farm go from weaping pen. Rampart wall grace to ailing village cliff grace. There's like 16 erdflowers in between those w/ atleast 12 being on the direct path.

[@SocietyKilledTheUnicorn]

That'd be so annoying. Elden ring is already looking like Paris, littered with grabage.

[@Blade_Brown_]

@@thatguybis1997 You can’t use spirit summons with the furcalling remedy active. That’s why it’s the way it is.

[@voidmantis9133]

exactly , anyway after 1h of gameplay you are already at 100 remedi , so why even bodered . Its only a problem at the start , but there is plenty around so why even put that thing in the game instead of a clik start clik coop , join random or join friend .

[@Solimnus]

The furlcalling finger remedy allows you to play online, still see messages, bloodstains, etc. Without having to worry about being invaded. Telling people to "just play offline" would make a bunch of people miss out on certain parts of the game.

[@finduzzle2991]

That is 100% true but people do not seem to get it. There is a difference in these games between playing online and playing multiplayer and Iam happy that there is this Item you can activate. Iam happy I dont see summon signs all over the ground while casually playing. It has always been this way in souls games. YOu need a item to engage multiplayer I do see the thought behind it and Iam happy it is implemented.

[@FatalArcana]

Also you'd have to use embers in ds3 to see signs and play online.

[@chrisjones5668]

That's not true. You dont need the furlcalling finger to play online. To play online you accept online play before loading your game. Messages, white phantoms and blood stains don't require a furlcalling finger. You use that specifically to see other players summon signs.

[@lokilucario]

You only need the remedy to see summoning signs. You do not need it for messages or bloodstains lmao wtf are you talking about? People are allowed to criticize things they enjoy. It's called not being a yes man. I love elden ring but the multiplayer design choice is trash

[@simonshephard3834]

Ah? No? Furcalling Finger is used to see summon sighs, one can never use this item and still see the messages and bloodstains. It's for co-op and duels, not for invasion. If I want to invite someone into my world, why do I need to go through this extra step?

[@hardwatergaming7965]

You always had to use some sort of item to be able to coop in souls games - humanity, human effigy, ember, the only real difference is that on the older games using the item would leave you open to being invaded, I wonder if initially it was meant to work the same way as before and at some point during development they changed it.

[@thatguybis1997]

You’re right, I don’t know how I forgot about that. But I don’t know, humanity and embers felt like they served an actual purpose (extra health, heals you) whereas these are solely for multiplayer purposes, so it feels like more of a gut punch than previously.

[@gregs9210]

they just need to drop the gimmicky coop, it's kind of sad that the modding community is required to add proper coop to Elden Ring

[@boomsticknsoc6332]

@@gregs9210 honestly

[@Stoicbirch]

@@thatguybis1997 But now you get the rune arc without downsides. PVE-Trash like you has gotten enough boosts to your deus-ex-machinas, quit complaining that its easier to CO-OP than ever with easier farming for online items and even less balance towards invaders. (TBH the only thing you said that wasn't wrong is online connectivity on PC being bad.)

[@wyvernslayer4530]

@@Stoicbirch it's a different ip. I don't think the game should've had invasions

[@Lemontarts01]

1 year later. Still the worst multiplayer ever in gaming

[@robertscott3911]

I would welcome like a invasion cooldown timer or something. Like you can only be invaded once every 30 minutes or an hour or something

[@Joeggurnaut546]

the difficult part that from soft has to balance multiple sides of the same community. Solo PvE players, Co-op players, Invaders and PvP players (two different sections imo). - PvE players want to just play through the game, they may or may not like to be invaded (depending on personal preferences) and might do co-op. - Co-op players want to play together with friends / randoms and go through the game together and fight the boss. I've found they usually don't want to deal with invaders (but again, personal preference). - Invaders want to be able to invade any players, be it solo or co-op, and use strategies / the level to make it harder for the host. - PvPers just want to 1v1 fight other players, be it host vs invader, invader vs invader or some kind of duel system. In the previous games, a fair few of these systems were relatively well balanced. Using a humanity/effigy/ember gave some benefits (more health, full heal, more estus from kindling) and allowed you to summon people but you could then be invaded. There's no benefit to using a furl calling finger and even if you do, you can't be invaded anyway. Combine this with the fact that there is no dedicated pvp outlet (there's no pvp arenas and its incredbily unbalanced atm which just pushes people away from 1v1s and they don't want to setup "fight clubs"), so everyone wanting to do pvp is usually just invading instead. This means that there are loads of invaders only invading people who are co-oping.

[@tbducky4136]

I feel like it’s not difficult at all tbh lol. Just make single player an coop one in the same an pvp separate but also in an open world setting. I have yet to hear a valid reason why late game players are even allowed to complain about invading a world an getting beaten on by threee people who have no desire to deal with them an don’t give them a fair fight lol

[@nashmccomsey4000]

Have you and your brother used the Hunter feature? Since invasions work they way they do, Hunters are helpful for groups of two travelling through the game to add a third person in response to an invader. You end up getting help from people who are also PVP ready, and they start spawning into your game as soon as an invader does. The quality varies, but the same could be said for invaders.

[@thatguybis1997]

I have, and it does help mitigate the problem a bit, you're right about that. There's more I should've touched on within this video that I didn't but honestly didn't expect it to get as much attention as it has!

[@axios4702]

The Souls multiplayer was a carefully crafted system. So of course, one change turned it into absolute shit. Making PVP a co-op/voluntary thing only with a 1 invader cap made it terrible for all parties involved. Invaders never get a 1 on 1, and coop players are constantly harassed by the thousands of invaders that cannot invade single players. The old system worked perfectly and added some extra tension to the game in random moments, made it more interesting and was original. The changes, no doubt made to acomodate to new players, have broken it and turned it into something vestigial. I wished they had made a normal multiplayer instead of this. Luckily, a mod currently in development looks like it will fix the multiplayer. No invasions, both players can use Torrent, shared progress, spectator camera after death. I really reccomend it once it gets a full release. The creator is called LukeYui. Look him up on KZbin for mod showcases. Make sure to read on how to use mods on souls games safely before installing though.

[@lunaazul1569]

I would love to have this on ps4 or ps5, but I don't think that will be possible...

[@lolilikedragons3528]

How fantastic that we get a mod that gets to kill pvp in this game faster. I want pvp fixed but unless somebody makes their own elden ring server then changes to the game on a fundamental level won't happen :(. People were able to do that with dark souls. Inferno plus was able to do it so you could pvp with your friends and as well as have weapons that he balanced and even added to the game. But with elden ring we don't have ANYONE who is willing to do that and base elden ring pvp sucks fat donky balls.i just want pvp to get some loves but a modder is basicly doing what alot of the pvp community was afraid from would do: just kill invasions entirely. Thanks random modder. Because the player pool needs to be lower for everyone.

[@tubasil8786]

LukeYui is doing gods work that mod looks amazing

[@thegk-verse4216]

Insane that we need a mod to have something other than the decade old formula, from really makes no effort for their online.

[@SamMaxis]

Great video. I speak as someone with a few thousand hours into the Dark Souls series. Unfortunately the Multiplayer design makes it unfun for invaders as well. You touched on the connection issues and how only those with summons can be invaded. Most people do not summon to clear a level. They summon specifically for a boss. You see that makes it near guarantee that you will be invaded in coop since the invaders have nowhere else to go. DARK SOULS: PPTD, DARK SOULS: REMASTERED, DARK SOULS II, DARK SOULS II: SCHOLAR OF THE FIRST SIN, & DARK SOULS III HAVE NOT HAD THEIR MULTIPLAYER RESTORED YET. As someone with tons of investment into DS3 PvP, I'm devestated by the state of ER PvP. Regardless of your experience, I will list the greivances many of us are having that make the game less interesting. There's less of a skill gap: Massive damage makes a lot of problems worse. It is ill advised to try to turn and burn, pivot for a backstab, or swap in close range. You make one attack and get hit with 2 or 3 others while you may not even stun your opponents. Passive poise also worsens this. The inability to strafe the vast majority of attacks is a big problem. The inability to backstab most spammable attacks or even parries is a big problem. Ashes of War have high range, high tracking, high damage, and relatively low cost. Often times the AoW do more damage for less FP than a dedicated caster build by a mile. Entering a disadvantaged state is devastating in ER and often there is little to be done to exit a disadvantaged state. This leads to much less back and forth or overcoming deficit and disadvantage. The loss of covenants and 6 player worlds makes for less coinvasions, interesting teamwork, and pressure vs counter pressure. You don't have to pull off well-practiced maneuvers and utilize skills that take a long time to improve to win. Strafing attacks is less important, healing at the right time is less important, utilizing multiple weapons is less important or even dangerous. Swapping in close range can often lead to death. Dropped inputs are also weighing down the PvP. Certain actions will take away your ability to roll or attack afterwards leading to less fluid movement and actions. All in all, I'm seeing people stop playing after a tenth of the hours they had in DS3 & DS2. I've soured and so are many others. The jars. Holy shit the jars. Worsened by the jar head and the talisman. You can rot most people at any level with 1 Rot Pot. They deal 300 rot with 0 scaling. Sleep pots work insanely quick. Sleep arrows can sleep in one hit too. Fire giant pots and academy pots can do over 1200 damage too. As previously stated, the old servers are not available for PC. Many of us have nowhere to go sadly.

[@EzekielGoldbergII]

They should enable torrent for anyone in multiplayer (including invaders) and then just have a torrent despawn effect if an invader comes close enough to you. Similar to how it is in singleplayer npc invasions.

[@MrSlaughterrific]

That would be awful

[@johnapple6646]

Impossible, people would still be running away from each other forever

[@carlosdutra8266]

I play mostly as an invader and I’ll pretty much always either wait until people beat the field boss/die to it or fight because they just don’t trust me, but yeah, fighting people while they struggle against bosses isn’t really any fun for anyone. This games whole multiplayer system is really lacking compared to DS3 design choices for it.

[@majdichlegou8786]

2 years later.. No changes have been made..

[@papiflame5709]

Why can’t we just invite people easily? Fuck the remedy I literally don’t even feel like going through the entire process of inviting someone also why can’t we go anywhere we want together? And no torrent? I honestly don’t know what they were doing with multiplayer

[@thegk-verse4216]

I don't know either, instead of copy pasting damned godrick in a random evergoal they could have copy pasted the ds3 multiplayer, but nah.

[@zoyaneco1088]

does anyone else having an issue with not being able to see summon signs of their friends? and back? we didnt have that issue before with my friend, but now we cant connect at all

[@threeDeeBeginner]

sometimes restart the game can solve the issue

[@kylerobison1425]

I can co-op for others and do PVP battles but I’ve never found a sign in my game except for once in Godrick castle two guys help me. It was the funnest experience in the game. I cannot get no one else to join my game anywhere I never see the signs now

[@valerie3789]

Things they should add: -Dedicated PvP arenas. Preferably without weird elevation and with multiple modes, maybe even one that allows horseback duels -Dedicated PvP zones like Aldrich and Forest. The chaos was wonderful. -Allow torrent as long as no invader is present -Implement a better system for invasion spawnpoints -Never disable multiplayer no matter how many bosses are defeated -Reward coop for killing a certain amount of enemies instead of bosses -Better multiplayer rewards. Rune Arcs are nice but there should be more unique rewards like Varre's questline -Give Rune Arcs multiple stages. For example, Godrick's Great Rune would buff all stats by 5 when you use it, when you die it drops to 4, then 3 and so on until the effect runs out or you use a rune arc again. -Allow invasions of solo hosts, at least those that have used a Rune Arc, but deprioritize them depending on how strong the effect currently is -Automatically activate the Rune Arc status after a successful invasion -Don't let invaders loose runes when they die during an invasion -Prioritize invasions of players that are doing well (not too much but basically, the more you have died recently the less likely you are to be invaded) -Make the furlcalling finger remedy effect always active. Using it could instead automatically summon someone if there is a sign nearby, like Bloodborne's bells.

[@snocub]

I like this.

[@voidmantis9133]

also remove the limit with the coop , when you reach the zone limit or a dungeon entrance , so you forced to disconnected let the host activate the grace that is just 5 ft after the wall of fog , then he must activate another remedy , you are force to join where he is to put your mark , then he try to spawn you , unable to summon . lol

[@lunaazul1569]

Why nobody talks about implementing a button where the player is able to disable or able pvp in the game? No everybody wants pvp.

[@voidmantis9133]

@@lunaazul1569 because for them , the invasion is super important to the game and that if you put that button , the feature become almost empty because the people that really like pvp are a minoritie . Might work if crossplay is implemented .

[@lunaazul1569]

@@voidmantis9133 well currently I quit the game because the forced pvp. I don't know how many people is in the same page, but if there is a mod for PC in progress that promise to delete the forced pvp and focus just in the coop feature, is because there is more players dissatisfied than me out there. If FromS could just pay attention to this, will be so good.

[@-Mu-min]

I never get invaded can’t find duelists horrible before godrick it worked

[@LittleShmuplet]

I think the reason why you're not allowed to use torrent is because he's technically an NPC so there might be some limitations in regards to having multiple of him

[@3NC3PH4L0N]

I think it is because of Torrents i-frame animation while mounting/de-mounting. Its almost triple the i-frames than a normal roll. Imagine 4 people riding with torrent in a 3v1+PvE. That would be pure anarchy.

[@jeffalbert1753]

You also have to place a multiplayer password in order to get your crew together. And you STILL get invaded. So the password is pointless. If I wanted PVP I'd play call of duty. Multiplayer in this game is awful. You also have less flasks when you enter another world. I carry 10 and only have 3 each time I join my friends.

[@snipertaimi363]

The biggest boss of elden ring is its multiplayer

[@TwiztidKlownzTX]

A friend and I figured out that Renala being broken during multiplayer was due to invaders. If we waited and just summoned by her door then went in immediately before the game could look for people to invade us the fight worked normally. This was on PS4 so yeah, consoles are buggy as hell too. I haven't bothered playing coop on PC yet, just soloed that.

[@TwiztidKlownzTX]

@Happy Cool Yeah. Usually if we cant connect we both quit the game and do the internet connection test in the ps4 menu then restart the game. It's a pita, but most of the time that works.

[@miguelrox111]

Aside from technical issues like disconnects and lag, my only big gripe is the amount of people that do twink/smurf builds already. My friend and I beat the game already, we helped other friends beat the game, we made second characters to be our coop characters relatively new in the games life, went through no problem. Now on our third characters, as soon as we got to about level 15 we started getting invades by all these twinks and smurfs that honestly just really really suck at the game. none of them are decent at all, they just wear the heavy poise armor, come in with rot and poison (since you have no way of cleansing it early) or frost and bleeding and try to cheese the sht out of you. and judging by most of their skill levels in PvP in general, I don't even believe that they went and earned the gear in high level areas and came back, I'm pretty certain they just had someone drop the stuff for them

[@wyvernslayer4530]

That's how it's always been sadly

[@somechinesedude5466]

Sounds like some youtuber prank That's funny until everybody doing it & become cancerous for few week/month

[@miguelrox111]

@Estrogen Fury The way your comment is written is very confusing, but if you are saying you use endgame items against low level players knowingly having that advantage is still pretty annoying. As for the "overleveled summon" they still get nerfed down to be on par with their host (for PvE) They're just doing co-op, they probabyl didn't want to get invaded, probably just want to play together. I want to get my brother into his first FromSofware game but not if every time we summon we run into the full goat armor clad twink with RoB or double bleed/frostbite naginatas

[@miguelrox111]

@Estrogen Fury Then I'm obviously not talking about you lol I'm talking about people coming in with endgame level stuff specifically to be annoying and ruin other people's time. Imagine getting invaded at storm veil castle by a guy with a crossbow that shoots 3 arrow and applied poison successfully in just 2 hits. Once the poison is applied, they run away while using bloodhound step when they get closed in on and then reapply the poison when possible. Poison removing items aren't available in low level areas and can't be crafted yet

[@miguelrox111]

@Estrogen Fury I invade and i have fun with my hosts, but I don't invade low level players using spells and items they can't properly counter I am doing a double dagger + bow build dual wielding Reduvias, My reduvias +1 dealt 27 damage per hit on one guy with close to 1k hp while he used dual naginatas. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, 90% of my invasions below level 30 have been twink builds so far using gear and content that is late into the game combined to grant an extreme advantage to an invader.

[@michaelstowe2167]

Yes! I'm glad a KZbinr is making this statement. Maybe it'll finally get some attention.

[@lunaazul1569]

1000 thanks for this amazing video. I'm one of those players who HATE the fact that pvp is not optional in an open world game. I've stopped playing Elden Ring currently because I've completely finished it and now without coop I don't have anything fun or new to do in the game. And I refuse to be forced to do pvp. It ruins completely our experience inside the game. Currently we can't choose to do coop only. So I choose not to play the game anymore. What I personally ask for is been able to disable the invasions in my game.

[@ssjronin3972]

It's not a you problem, I only got Elden Ring to help with PvE stuff, being killed by a invader is extremely frustrating. Just let me play the campaign..

[@mesharyfs]

Invaders needs to optimize their bulid to be able to have a chance against 1v3, overlevelled phantoms with their RoB spam.

[@mesharyfs]

@Estrogen Fury I agree with you. I think accepting the chaotic and unfair nature of the online experience can make it better. whether you are host or invader you are not expected to come out victorious in every online interaction.

[@roberthouse4817]

@@mesharyfs you won't come out Victorious every time, but its intended that invaders are supposed to have a rough time killing a host and the host is supposed to be stronger than most invaders of the same level. It should all come down to skill, not how much you farmed for runes or upgraded your bleed katanas, debuff build-ups need an insane amount of Nerf for Invaders.

[@mesharyfs]

@@roberthouse4817 Nerfs goes both ways to host and invaders. As an invader u don't know what you might run into. From co-opers who are new to the game and just want to clear the level to a dedicated ganks who just sit there and hunt invaders.

[@roberthouse4817]

@@mesharyfs that's why the game and the designers did a good job to make sure that people who are too high-level can't invade people who are just starting the game, and that's also why we have red summon signs, so people who want to actually fight Invaders can bring an Invader into their world willingly. Fromsoft made it insanely easy to get into PVP tournaments and other matches if you actually want to, they should have made a way to restrict Invaders from being overpowered like they currently are. And yes, they are.

[@mesharyfs]

@@roberthouse4817 That is simply not true. Invader skill and knowledge of the game is not "overpowered". Most of the time the invader is against 2 or three ppl with the number can potentially go up with summoning more phantoms and blues and to top it all the host have access to great runes AND full amount of estus flasks. And again I'm mot sayinga hosts are overpowered. I love the chaotic nature of invasions I love to go against the odds and see what happens.

[@uq473]

Good video - there needs to be more discussion about these issues and hopefully Fromsoft can take steps to rectify them. Infernoplus did a video on the multiplayer a few weeks ago and he hits a lot of the same points. One point he really hammered is the way invasions work when you have a summon. For some reason rather than having a larger pool of people to invade they chose to only allow those who were co-oping with friends to be invaded which has inadvertently negatively impacted everyone who engages with the system. Essentially the system they have at the moment leads to people playing with friends being invaded consistently every 15 minutes which is really no fun for anyone. kzbin.info/www/bejne/apnTaKqMp5Z-hLM

[@sadboat1657]

Why is being invaded so terrible to you? Is it because another person killed you?

[@uq473]

@@sadboat1657 I spent many hours invading people so I don't know what you're talking about. I don't find it particularly fun invading a group of friends that are usually just sitting around waiting to gank me. The argument is that invasion should be opened up so that single players could be invaded as well.

[@sadboat1657]

Its extremely fun to clap gankers, especially if they dc lol I think by default its fine for the majority of the playerbase, invasions shouldnt be set up to be fair to the invaders, if you want honorable 1v1 PvP there are communities or just go to the academy gate, if you just want to win invasions you can always gank with mobs, if you want to be invaded solo use the tongue I think there will be more tongue users as time goes on

[@baltogames1501]

I understand the mess that would have been if they had allowed the use of Torrent during invasions, but I can't deny the potential majesty of jousting clubs!!

[@FreddyZeNerd]

Finally, someone said it. The multi-player is so flawed because I have a twin brother and I get disconnected consistently during bossfights and have the same problems in this video. Pls fix from

[@RalorPenwat]

A couple things. The furlcalling finger remedy is one of the ways they flag who can be invaded. It also keeps the environment from getting cluttered all the time. It's kind of inconvenient if you're playing in multi-player a lot but I don't mind it that much when I think about the fact it means I won't just get invaded all the time. 6:15 This bug is actually not exclusive to Multiplayer.

[@metachocobo]

My issue with the invasion system isn't so much being able to be invaded since that's just part of the game, but it's more the fact there doesn't seem to be a cooldown with invasions. I get it, if I wanna play with some friends, we'll get invaded, but could the game give like....at least 2 to 5 minutes before it springs an invasion on you? I've had invaders pop in before my friends are even done being summoned. I would like to at least have co-op actually start before having invaders thrown at me and not to mention even when we kill said invader, another one just pops up 30 seconds later.

[@clarencezer]

Man... whatever happened to letting players have fun. Wish it had Remnants from the ashes styled multiplayer, drop it drop out co-op but instead of having a grand adventure, it's like a ticking clock each time you begin your next hurried goal to the grace point instead of taking your time and exploring all the cool in-between places outside of the big main areas.

[@kingaj0713]

Idk when you recorded the ranalla fight but they did fix that bug. My first play through it glitched for me and my friend but I’ve fought ranalla co-op multiple times since then

[@colins11]

To call this game coop is a joke

[@JoshyJegs]

Sounds like we on Xbox have significantly less connectivity issues I think between the 3 friends I've been assisting I have had all of maybe 3 lag/disconnects🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@Pherna_1]

I think that might be strictly due to player count. PS4 and PS5 probably have the most number of players, so it makes sense that their servers would be overloaded. And, let's be honest, FromSoft has never really given a shit about PC haha

[@Hulkitout]

@@Pherna_1 nah. Playstation servers are bad in general. I still remember if more than 2 people had a mic on ps3 in the lobby it would lag the whole match where as xbox 360 didn't. Ps4 struggled to keep 16 people in a lobby at first where xbox one was trying to keep 100 people in a lobby. Haven't tested new gen but I'm sure its the same somewhere in there lol

[@snipertaimi363]

Talk about the how many times it doesnt work, en getting game crashes when u finally joined or getting disconnected and sent back or finally getting it to work and getting ganked by a invader.

[@pramote1315]

The developers can make a great game but they can not get the mulitiplayer right. Its an outdated system. Why can't they just do a simple invite system? Pause the game and invite a friend, but no, that would be too easy. Even trash games get multiplayer right. But no, they want to make it as stupid and complex as possible. The fact you cant even pause the game either is also dumb. I know souls games do this, but its very outdated

[@TechbotALPHA]

Gonna come out and say it; Fromsoft PVP hardcore players have always been total wankers. You get a small subset who do fun things; themed builds, fight clubs/areas and whatever. But the vast majority exemplify the purile 'git gud scrub' attitude that everyone these days associates as a 'given' with Souls games, rather than Jolly Cooperation.

[@Mimiaga0]

Finger caller item is literally just like a humanity in dark souls. Nothings changed, except how easy it is to get.

[@thatguybis1997]

Humanity serves more than just a multiplayer function though.

[@itsnotbloodborne1237]

fun fact, you can give ur partner erdleaf flowers so they can craft them into remedies.

[@thatguybis1997]

I figured this out yesterday and it actually helps a ton.

[@wmprimetime8624]

Torrent with invasions would be TERRIBLE. Imagine never being able to catch up to an invader who just runs, and then he comes back within .5 seconds from a mile away.

[@Cyandol]

Elden Ring is good game with sad multiplayer features....literaly nothing changed when it comes to coop and pvp in fact i would say its worse than DS3,for example.... instead of doubling down on limitations of covenants (there SHOULD be covenant for pure coop,covenant for traditional invasions,covenant for counter invasions,covenant for fight clubs,covenants for PvPvE....) and changing the retarded reward system (one of the reasons they got removed because of potential grind for items and yet some items are missable hiden behind quests now) FromSoft removed them completely.... Since lot of good stuff is gone (like covenants) and new limitations put in place (invader cap lol) expect invading into 1v3 scenarios (gank squads) instead of 1v1v1v1,yes there are afk farmers now too and duels are coin toss between honorable and scum more than ever before....and coop is just sad,we back to summoning randoms again,because enabling online just to coop with friend invite Twinks and hackers into your world and there is no way telling if random host can even dodge let alone take a more than one hit and the best are/were finger severer abusers yes i like to be used and thrown away.There are no limitations and systems in place that help mitigate this kind of behavior thats why its happening.

[@amykirschman3410]

There are some points that you’ve missed that are working under the hood in your play-through. Invaders can only match within a specific level range and weapon upgrade range. Yes, they can go to later areas of the game and bring back equipment that polishes their build; but, they are still regulated. The odds are stacked heavily against invaders as well. The host has access to more than double the healing resources, as well as entire extra bodies playing along side them. The host can even summon people out of their level range using the password system. Invasions are also regulated via timer to not happen for awhile after the last one is completed. Invasions are an integral part of multiplayer that restores the challenge a single player experience is meant to have. Lore-wise there are many who oppose the tarnished mission to restore the golden order.

[@echoq7594]

There's serveral issues with how invading works in ER: 1. The invasion timer resets EVERY TIME you summon, so if you die, you don't get 15-30mins break from invasions like before, the moment you summon, the invasion timer resets. 2. Only Co-Op can be invaded, which means the range of people to invade is much smaller than before meaning invasions will happen on the clock the moment your timer runs out, making them stupidly oppressive, especially considering you don't have the horse for faster traversal. 3. Solo hosts aren't invadable and the invasion timer is way too short for the open world portions of this game anyway. In general, the decision to make invasions co-op ONLY was garbage, Solo hosts should be invadable to spread out the invasions more and the open world was probably better off left out of the invasion spots, as proven recently, it can be a pain in the ass for everyone considering people just hop on unreachable spots al over the place just a mistake in general. Solo hosts should have been invadable and the open world shouldn't have invasions period, way too annoying to run through it without the horse.

[@amykirschman3410]

@@echoq7594 The invasion timer is actually much lower than 15 minutes from what I've heard; perhaps it isn't resetting. It's unfortunate that there aren't more passive ways to deal with frequent invasions.

[@echoq7594]

@@amykirschman3410 No it most definately resets.. we tried doing a silly co-op run with some friends after we all finished the game and every time we summoned someone, an invader would pop up immidiately, we could die immidiately, then within 1 minute re-summon each other and we would get an invader AGAIN. The short timer is definately an other issue as well.. if we didnt have to deal with invaders for the next hour after we take care of one the million exploiters/twinks that come in, then maybe it would be bearable but no, it's super short.. Bad decisions all around with this title when it comes to multiplayer in general. They should have kept invasions out of the open world so nobody would have to deal with suddenly losing their horse out of nowhere and made everyone invadable in catacombs/caves and Legacy dungeons.

[@TheGaintKiller619]

I got banned for 180 days after installing the game for the very first time for "modifying" the game. I tried to explain to FromSoftware that I haven't modified anything, and their only response was "we can't remove bans sorry for the inconvience"

[@roberthouse4817]

What they should have done with invaders is make it so that if the invader does not start attacking or fighting the host or their phantom within the first minute or two they start losing health every second until they start actually fighting, that would prevent The Invader from coming in and then running away

[@ethanm9346]

only fun part of coop is helping with bosses and 1v1ing but the open world exploring with people is kinda shit but I gotta say 1v1 melee is the shit

[@grizzly505gaming9]

I love the message Cannot summon or violent crashes and disconnects

[@danielnolan8848]

Try meteor staff or ash of war glintstone pebble, they are both very powerful from the very beginning to the very end

[@SaintAnthonyIV]

Also story mode npc summon signs are visible always btw

[@RavenCorvinus]

on the comment about sorcery sucking early game. if you start as a prisoner you get the best starter spell, the Magic Glintblade. it holds up very well in FP to Damage ratio and it also gets around some of the enemies that doges on casts. It will coast you through mid to late game when you can upgrade to some other more heavy hitting spells :3

[@gavincooper8361]

Whats the deal with my buddy not being able to see my sign at some places?

[@Pherna_1]

For the last time, Elden Ring is NOT a co-op game. If you want to co-op, the game will balance that by introducing an invader. But invaders definitely shouldn't be summoned when you're fighting a boss. That's bullshit.

[@colincampbell9553]

Exactly people don’t seem to get this point, yes you can coop, but the game is not designed in that way, because it’s a souls game. The lore behind summons makes it clear that the devs intended for you to only summon when overwhelmed by enemies or a boss, you’re first run against a boss is supposed to be without multiplayer summons(spirit summons are fine since they are somewhat build specific)

[@NaruNaruuuuu]

The fact that you can't go to eg Raya Lucaria after beating Rennala is so stupid- you cant go into coop after beating a boss in a certain area and the boss area is locked for solo

[@lifeyoushouldtryit]

Sorry about the invasions, I'm one of those psycho veterans from darksouls who's sole reason for being is to hunt and kill my fellow tarnished. That being said, I didnt want it to be like this, invading people with overlevelled phantoms using rivers of moon veil will mess you up until you obsessively max out fire damage and throw 1 shot fireball.

[@Nebulisreconx]

Been mad that people right up ignore the multiplayer issues for like a month now.

[@CoolSmoovie]

Your absolutely right, there is zero reason why Torrent shouldn’t be able to be used in coop

[@BoltzCH]

You're a wizard Harry

[@thatguybis1997]

Lol okay Apex Master.

[@moisesakaemo4100]

I just got the game yesterday and my friend we're both on level 10 and we can't invite each other we dropped the finger we used a little compass and nothing is there still a problem with the game for Co-op

[@moisesakaemo4100]

Ps5

[@Lemontarts01]

Did you guys set a password?

[@theyeetcrusade6207]

Saying it has issue is a compliment for the mess it is, between scummy tactics and people being practically invincible with the roof camping trend.

[@atlantis_jz]

You really have to play the seamless coop mod to have the best experience of the multiplayer

[@jd-wn1po]

getting invaded nonstop when trying to coop really pushes you to play single player since you have npc summons now.

[@thatguybis1997]

Right. It's almost like multiplayer feels worthless.

[@mrii114]

i have hundreds of hours online but I was never invaded once...

[@TwiztidKlownzTX]

@@mrii114 Were you playing coop? If you are solo you can't be invaded unless you use the taunters tongue.

[@RazorfaceYT]

A Souls-Like game called Hellpoint, by Cradle Games got multiplayer in a Souls game perfect. You can literally play coop with a friend or random for hours upon hours without disconnecting. Defeat a boss and stay connected. Die and stay connected. That's the way it should be. No invisible walls that a host / summon can't cross together. I still love Elden Ring and I love all of the Souls series, but you'd think the coop would be easier in 2022 than it was in the past.

[@Hedonite]

Furlcalling finger is just like humanity. Embers. What have you but more forgiving? This dude is oblivious

[@olivermwallace]

I'm on my hands and knees praying that they make this game fully co-op. Make it a separate mode if you have to like what a massive missed opportunity. I can't stand having the most intense boss fight with my siblings and then before we can celebrate they all disappear

[@DMundus]

The finger item is not that bad because you can find so much of it and I'm used to not having the horse so though annoying not too bad. Invaders are part for the course. But the horrible connections, constant disconnects, having to resumen after open work bosses, having to summon inside of a cave when you find one and that thing that can happen where you get dc as soon as get summoned making playing with a specific friend impossible. I'm on pc and the multiplayer is truly awful. I thought i was the only one having these issues. It also sucks that we've had two big updates now only focused on weapon and skill balancing and not on pc performance.

[@robertscott3911]

I agree 100%. Me and my cousin have had the exact same problem. I play on both console and pc and me and my cousin get invaded every time on pc. Never fails lol. Console invasions seem to be more spread out and not every time you play with friends

[@katanaridingremy]

Playing in Xbox SeX (Series X) here, I've been unable to summon my NG+ friend into my game at all. I can get summon and vice versa to other players on my same game level but that's it.

[@roberthouse4817]

Fromsoft games have always had weird stipulations for allowing multiplayer lobbies, like if one player has already beaten the area boss they cannot get a cooperator in that area of the level, as well as I believe if your levels are too far apart it might cause problems, I'm not sure about that last one but I know there are a lot of weird rules for allowing a cooperator into a host's world. It could be that someone from NG+ is not allowed to join someone who hasn't beaten the game, for fear of them being too high-level or too overpowered

[@jamesa862]

didn't you have to be embered and the like to cooperate in the earlier games? Also getting ember feels more hard to come by than finger remedy but maybe I'm wrong about that Edit: noticed the pinned comment, my b, but yeah I withheld coop to only when I needed it because I felt i had a limited amount

[@Big.G2k]

I also hate the getting locked out of certain area if you do certain boss, you don't get informed why you can summon anyone at that certain area and then waste so much time trying to make it work. also I find the area fog limit to be so stupid. it should have been a coop for the whole map and only when you get invaded the area should be limited how hard would that be to make?

[@johnfeelstheway9234]

Please fix the multiplayer, Elden Ring by far is the best game i played this year and the multiplayer it is very sad they gotta fix it asap

[@OklahomaHotdog]

I'm just a new elden player. But is there a way to not get invaded while playing with someone? We just wanna kill bosses and chill and not deal with pvp.

[@blazaybla22]

I think it’s fine that it was a consumable, it was even more that way in Bloodborne because insight wasn’t something that easily obtainable, but I would’ve eventually given the player an infinite consumable (maybe around Leyndell) similar to the consumable fingers vs the finger Varre gives you.

[@voidmantis9133]

his point is that its so easy to get that why even bothered with this mechanic in the game . A press start and click on join/call friend or join/call random option would be better .

[@ALowlyTarn]

You do know you have to use embers in dark souls 3 and effigy’s in dark souls 2 and idk what it was in ds1 but they still gave you buffs or restored your max hp but with furlcalling finger remedy it doesn’t really do anything

[@MerYeM-gc5me]

Co-op Elden Ring is first of all fun. BUT the invasions annoy us so much! My husband and I just want to play together not get invaded and destroyed while playing in an already difficult area just to work our way all the way to our death point again. Those areas need to be played twice anyways already as the progress isn't shared with the buddy you summon. We even already altered our builds to have a CHANCE TO DEFEND agains those blood-builds. It's really sad to see that co-op is the dark side to the light of elden rings single-player

[@sanctusbepis8544]

Im just gonna assume that the disconnects are caused by either people from other continents or they dont use cable connection or both.

[@hakeempickering5986]

No one's taught me anything in PvP I have to figure it out myself and I'm starting to realize why no one said anything or taught me anything once you have a bread and butter you don't really want anyone else trying to take your cereal

[@gxgb31]

Iv also had lovely bugs of not being alerted to invasions as im prepping for boss fights and suddenly dieing whilst in my inv. Its so wasteful of materials when dealing with bosses. I honestly dont like the multiplater at all at the moment

[@goregirl24]

I've also been running sorcery on my second play through. If you want to get stronk fast, go to the third church of Marika and use the teleporter there to get to Caelid (but you're already in Caelid so you probably don't need to bother). Then go to the swamp of Aeonia and pick up the meteorite staff and rock sling spell, they're not far from eachother. That will get you through the vast majority of the game very easily. I recently reached the Altus Plateau and I'm still using it until I upgrade Rennala's staff a few more times

[@samuelcaron2256]

i mean coop as always been like that for over 10 years since dark souls 1 but i see a lot of people didn't do any research still

[@Tddali]

Yeah bro multiplayer was workin for me fews days ago but now cant invade cant coop cant do no multiplayer with a router reset game reset multiplayer password reset everything u can imagine and it still doesnt work very dissapointing for that this game deserves a 8/10

[@wired_awake]

Totally agree. I’d love to play more coop but it’s just a bit too crap at the moment! Such a shame!

[@HotBoxTheCoupe]

Does anyone know why i don’t see summon signs? I’m level 113. am i too leveled?

[@sidneymatthews5313]

I am level 155 and can't see summon signs, It's broken.

[@wmprimetime8624]

Also torrent isn’t allowed bc people could probably bug shit out. Not only that, summons are really only for bosses

[@MrSlaughterrific]

The only problem is disconnects. Invasions are a good mechanic and it's a shame a tongue is needed for solos. I miss the humanity system. Furling finger should be removed. I think that rune arc should have functioned like humanity and let people summon by default

[@kuchukboromdebbarma7490]

So this is what it’s like for a non soul player I am not a soul player either but totally understand their design choice except some of them

[@Jinx2janky]

Magic is insanely op early your just doing it wrong but I agree with 99% of your opinions tho the viewpoint on the game is identical to me much love n you surely have a new supporter

[@thatguybis1997]

Maybe I just need better spells, cause I'm getting wrecked in PvP.

[@mrct592]

@@thatguybis1997 The Radagon's Icon talisman will help you out immensely as it'll make all your spells launch faster.

[@thememelords9491]

at like 1:15 ish you said that magic builds suck early game i speedran respecing because one of my friends was a complete douchebag because i was playing as the "op no skill" playstyle are you saying that at the exact time he said that it was op it sucked?????

[@roberthouse4817]

Early Mage spells do actually suck, like the dart and arrow spells are only really good for certain enemies and that's if you really deem it necessary to use the fp required for it, Mage builds are viable for Mid and late game because of the amount of spells you have and the amount of damage you can do with the right weapon scaling. I use a faith build because it allows for a high amount of spells but also has really good scaling for the swords I use

[@TheFatPunisher]

invade somebody, I get ganked I do coop and lure invaders, my coop partner does nothing and i get double teamed by invaders this game has terrible multiplayer, its not fun. There is no reason to play Elden ring after you've beat the main game content, it's sad as fuck how bad the community is.

[@joequaldieri2241]

I mean. The renala glitch is a bug that all you have to do is reset quick. I mean it's not a big deal now the multi-player only invasions is annoying. There should be a 5minute window from summoning a co op player till your first invasion not 30 seconds. Sometimes you can't even play with a friend if you're both trash at pvp

[@mossa216]

A fix would be, prevent invasions when a boss is engaged, and make bosses despawn or be unattackable/attacking while your being invadede.

[@KingDerek58]

A host complaining about invaders is useless criticism considering the host has every possible advantage

[@darthcaedus9130]

Ps has the same issues. My brother then got hit with a nat 3 error and we can no longer play with each other. Pvp sucks bc of people building meta classes and here I am having fun with a weapon that's suitable for my character I created (bastard sword for Jon snow)

[@Kaiser8361N]

I kinda wish multiplayer in general to be more like Remnant. Remnants co-op is my favorite

[@Corion2121]

From the looks of it, PvP just sounds completely complicated and unpleasant. 😐 What is the benefit of multiplayer if any? 🤨

[@thatguybis1997]

Really, in Elden Ring...there isn't.

[@Corion2121]

@@thatguybis1997 - sounds like it’s not worth the frustration at all. 🤦🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

[@theforlanjoker4457]

If you have a companion the boss stats go up