Cliffjumper: Why am I fighting 2 decepticons and a predacon on my own? Bayverse Optimus prime: First time?
@reyonXIII5 ай бұрын
The bigger tragedy is that Cliff is getting shanked or sliced BEFORE Cancer switches sides.
@Canation893 ай бұрын
@@reyonXIII Cancer switched sides?
@jawaboi96982 ай бұрын
@@Canation89yes
@Canation892 ай бұрын
@@jawaboi9698 when, how, why?
@jawaboi96982 ай бұрын
@@Canation89 during the final episodes of the masterforce anime, the decepticons attack cancer's hometown in china during their global attack of earth. Realizing his only actual friend is there, cancer decides to warn the town about the decepticons invasion and saved his friend, disobeying overlord's orders. Then in the next episode, while god ginrai(powermaster optimus), go shooter(siren) and doubleclouder(doubledealer) are stuck in the decepticons base, waiting to be killed by overlord, cancer realizes all he seeked was to be stronger, but not like this. So cancer betrayes the decepticons and joins the autobots along with doubleclouder
@BeskarDevil5 ай бұрын
The “oh lord they jumpin him” four pack
@Mothbean4 ай бұрын
Jumpin him for his Cliff
@MahadShahzad085 ай бұрын
"You want the horns, You got em". - Cliff The Rock Jumper
@xanderzwierschke56735 ай бұрын
Hell yeah dude
@primelordoftheuniverse7835Ай бұрын
The only time that he lost in cinema
@Mechdestroyz9745 ай бұрын
Let's not forget the time cliffjumper killed like 5 decepticons without any backup
@ZachDy-xg9it5 ай бұрын
"Do I ever need backup?"
@returnedtomonkey88865 ай бұрын
Do steves even count though?
@Mechdestroyz9745 ай бұрын
@@returnedtomonkey8886 I was talking about the time in idw
@returnedtomonkey88865 ай бұрын
@@Mechdestroyz974 When? Idw1 or idw2?
@Mechdestroyz9745 ай бұрын
@@returnedtomonkey8886 spotlight cliffjumper when he fell in love with some alien girl I don't remember it correctly
@PolarityOfNeoSoulCity5 ай бұрын
The meme of Cliffjumper dying has caused such a Mandela Effect, though I vaguely remember he only really died three times in recency, at least with Prime, IDW, and the Bumblebee Movie... Skybound, a series notorious for the body count, has weirdly given Cliff A LOT of plot armor to avoid it so far.
@ZachDy-xg9it5 ай бұрын
Especially since Bumblebee got put down so quickly in Issue 1.
@FennekinTF5 ай бұрын
Revive my boy Bumblebee as Bumblebee, or even better as Goldbug, or I'll riot
@ZachDy-xg9it5 ай бұрын
@@FennekinTF I hate to rain on your parade, but the reason Daniel Warren Johnson had Bumblebee die so soon was because he didn't like drawing him. That and the fact that he won't listen to our protests to bring Bumblebee back no matter how many times we protest. In short, instead of having Bumblebee pull a William Afton just like in Rise of the Beasts, DWJ basically said, "Nah, let's just have Bumblebee stay dead because he's had the spotlight for far too long."
@redlion-paladin46095 ай бұрын
Cliff might have died in between the Reign Of Starscream and Alliance comics in the IDW Bayverse because Thundercracker badly wounded him in ROS but his body was missing by the time Alliance happened which was like no time at all but since he didn't appear again or any of the other bots on that were on Mars so it could mean he might have died.
@FennekinTF5 ай бұрын
@@ZachDy-xg9it 1: Thats stupid. Idc if hes quote-unquote "has too much spotlight", which he doesn't really, if you really think abt it. Hes mostly just a major character, not the spotlight character all the time. I just like Bumblebee; hes awesome and a top favorite of mine. Revive him as Goldbug. Its too stupid not to. Just have someone else draw him if you really don't want to. 2: Technically speaking, Bee didn't die at all in ROTB. He was simply severely injured and incapacitated. Because of this, his body went into "sleep-mode", if you will, or something akin to a coma. Or, something akin to cardiac arrest. The Energon surge served similarly to a defibrillator. Something similar happened in BB, then he was recharged by Charlie. Both times, he never truly died.
@alectech54355 ай бұрын
"And bro literally named cancer" Good to see some masterforce jokes in there
@sabregunner15 ай бұрын
i hope people pick up on it
@frank_calvert5 ай бұрын
could someone explain it to me?
@kingdareth095 ай бұрын
@@frank_calvertthe Japanese release of the original 1988 squeezeplay toy was named cancer
@sabregunner15 ай бұрын
@@frank_calvert named after the zodiac sign
@Christian_H3rnand3z5 ай бұрын
@@sabregunner1Ohhhhh, got it.
@HelenaSan4255 ай бұрын
Cliffjumper: Nah, I'd win!
@yuki23205 ай бұрын
Cliffjumper: *Gets split in half
@kboy11585 ай бұрын
narrator: he didn't win!
@friendlycanadian31505 ай бұрын
He proceeds to get turned into cliff/jumper.
@juantermo69965 ай бұрын
"You want a piece of me?" - Jazz
@Tarnishedsteel4 ай бұрын
Megatron: ‘No I want two!’ *RIP*
@MrLoubat5 ай бұрын
Nah, Cliffjumper solos this
@Pyrofromteamfortress2o5 ай бұрын
Hi
@spartanvenom53885 ай бұрын
Yeah, the only character I could see Prime Cliff having trouble with here is Cyberverse Tarn, and he’s nowhere near as deadly as his IDW incarnation.
@SommeOne11295 ай бұрын
"Nah, i'd win"
@HardHeadtfreviews20085 ай бұрын
He couldn’t take on a few vehicons ain’t no way bro is taking on TARN
@SirTaxFraudALot5 ай бұрын
Nah bro got clapped by stormtroopers 😂
@alexknj15 ай бұрын
Y'all forget that this Cliff is played by The Rock, and he contractually can't lose a fight.
@Saiyan12293 ай бұрын
*Dies in transformers prime
@JollyMcCrowner5 ай бұрын
I like the cliffjumper’s death 4 pack. They should release a 4 pack of another prime cliffjumper, 2 prime vehicons, and a prime starscream. *Perfect!*
@elitegamer210055 ай бұрын
Cliff won’t die
@ZenithusPrime5 ай бұрын
@@elitegamer21005 i feel like he would so i would replace one of the vehicons with either prime bee or arcee with a new deco
@JollyMcCrowner5 ай бұрын
@@elitegamer21005 uhhhhh
@FennekinTF5 ай бұрын
I was literally abt to comment that before I saw that you already did. (I only read the top half of your comment) That would definitely be more accurate. 😅 Hope Cliff fares better this time
@Private.Portal5 ай бұрын
I think if hasbro did this they would make like a Zombie Cliff redeco or somethin and sell it at TFcon as an exclusive
@Jai-Playz-With-BJG5 ай бұрын
* literally rips tarn arm off* “there we go he’s more accura-“got me dying 😂
@Stringer73905 ай бұрын
I love that they included Browning, a character that turns into a gun as an accessory. Makes me wonder if they will make 86 megatron a leader figure with the megatron gun.
@AlexReynard5 ай бұрын
So it's actually Cliffjumper versus FIVE Decepticons! If Browning counts, then we can assume some multiverse shenanigans where Squeezeplay is sentient and has Cancer riding around in his tummy cuz he's a good boy.
@FennekinTF5 ай бұрын
Lets hope so. It'd be a cool inclusion as well as a good work-around. I think SS86 Megatron should be a Leader Class and transforms into a tank, but all the tank-parts hide away well enough to give him a good and accurate enough silhouehette. I think it could be doable considering Siege/ER Megs is a Voyager and we know how he turned out, and this one, 86, would be a Leader. Tank-parts could compress into the backs of his legs and some other parts could potentially origami themselves into different parts of the design (legs, arms, torso). I don't care for 1:1 accuracy and it probably won't even be possible to do as a Leader; as long as hes accurate enough and has a clean enough silhouehette, and is overall good, then I'm happy.
@MaxM2105 ай бұрын
A heads up for people who get this set, as mentioned in the video Cliffjumper's shoulder assembly is very lose out of the box, and that's because the screw that holds his torso together isn't in tight enough. just take a screw driver and turn the screw a few more times and the assembly will tighten up. the tabs don't really work, but the friction from the tighter screw will make up for it.
@cideofsoos5 ай бұрын
[Insert misinformation about Cliffjumper dying all the time here]
@Jazz-cd5mu5 ай бұрын
Blurr dies as much as Cliffjumper does, but it didn’t happen in a live action movie so he doesn’t get nearly as much attention
@xsoultillerx5 ай бұрын
i think it's wild that image/skybound cliffjumper outlived FUCKING BUMBLEBEE.
@gerbbabycare37715 ай бұрын
I love that he had two mainstream deaths within five years and everyone just says "oh it's so common"
@dinoguy1635 ай бұрын
@@gerbbabycare3771meanwhile Starscream
@wewillalleatglass5 ай бұрын
THANK YOU! my goat didnt survive Unicron in the 86 movie to continue being slandered like this!
@bumboozo5 ай бұрын
“THEY JUMPIN ME! THEY JUMPIN ME!!!!”
@TCPolecat5 ай бұрын
Gotta admit, Cliffy there looks downright epic.
@declanmillar63565 ай бұрын
I love this pack. I got a Cliffjumper, a Tarn, a Squeezeplay, and a Buzzsaw Accesory for Legacy Knockout.
@SommeOne11295 ай бұрын
Thanks for the idea with the buzzsaw, I never even thought about that!
@FennekinTF5 ай бұрын
Oh, how I achieved that is, I stole 86 Hot Rod's buzzsaw and attached it to the gun-base piece (y'know the one) from Slammer. Basically attach it [onto Knockout's arm] the same way you'd attach the gun onto Slammer's arm, but the piece would have the buzzsaw rather than gun.
@samurexatlas73735 ай бұрын
This isn't your regular Cliff. Prime Cliff took on a legion of Vehicons before he got captured. Scream got a cheap blow while he was weak. Squeezeplay and spober dying quick. Tarn would be a challenge.
@sonicfanglichiy44335 ай бұрын
That's tarantulas not scream
@wonderfulwalrus57155 ай бұрын
@@sonicfanglichiy4433 scream killed cliffjumper
@samurexatlas73735 ай бұрын
@@sonicfanglichiy4433 starscream. In prime.
@FennekinTF5 ай бұрын
Did you mean to say "spider" and not "spober"?
@samurexatlas73735 ай бұрын
@@FennekinTF i had fun
@geekimus15 ай бұрын
I genuinely don't understand why so many modern 4-packs have 1 autobot and 3 decepticons (or other evil factions), I mean honestly the creatures collide, troop builder, killing cliffjumper, and many other multipacks are all like this.
@huasocongusto4 ай бұрын
You make an excellent point...but some biased collectors like yours truly lack a lot of decipties, so I see this as a solution for those like moi!
@thomasmorgan97685 ай бұрын
Let's see, Cliff is up against: A psycho with a kung-fu student for a head Tarantulas but not stealthy Goddamn Tarn, any incarnation of which is deadly. Yeah, he's screwed.
@ComradeBobcat395 ай бұрын
i love how they literally just straight up gave Squeezeplay a browning HI power
@EAMONODEA5 ай бұрын
Fantastic video that toy guy! Tarn and cliff are my favs from this set from what I see
@turboking92385 ай бұрын
Time for Cliff to have HIS Forest Battle, HE'LL TAKE THEM ALL ON!!
@AntiFurryOnDaGrind5 ай бұрын
Would you lose? Cliff:Nah,I’d win
@marcanddoug81685 ай бұрын
DUDE THIS IS AWESOME HOW COME I HAVENT SEEN THIS AT ALL UNTIL NOW?
@Destro5175 ай бұрын
That one just coming with a deagle cracks me up
@narwhalking27885 ай бұрын
3:53 This isn't a fight, it's an execution.
@bruceevan94045 ай бұрын
Bro clifjumper getting bullied even in toy form 💀
@rihaanbagrial96252 ай бұрын
Ah, the Cliffjumper getting jumped packed. Truly and odd assortment of figures
@ProtonTheProtogen2 ай бұрын
I like the term "the Cliffjumper fucking dies 4 pack"
@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho5 ай бұрын
Cliff takes down Squeezeplay and Tarantulas easily, but he only gets as far as denting Tarn’s chest before he gets his brains blown out.
@FennekinTF5 ай бұрын
Squeezeplay and Tarantulas won't be looking great when hes done with 'em, but Tarn.........Well,.....Cliff's head's coming off when hes done with 'em.... And, if he was anything like a certain alternate-universe Optimus Prime, then........his head's going on Tarn's wall, above his fireplace, probably.
@monarchbulldog25195 ай бұрын
What about cliff jumping on tarn's head and clawing at it like a feral cat
@FennekinTF5 ай бұрын
@@monarchbulldog2519 Hes an Autobot! Not a cowcat! (if you know, you know)
@Lazrael325 ай бұрын
I think this is the first time i've seen plastic windows on transformers. seemed like they were really dragging their feet returning them to the line. heck amazon exclusives still coming in boxes
@asadmalik52395 ай бұрын
9:09 "rotate it at the HIP"
@nicholascavanaugh88055 ай бұрын
0:42 No one gonna talk about the Fury of Bonecrusher featuring Mudflap & Starscream?!?!
@FinnGreenland5 ай бұрын
The fact that SqueezePlay just has like an actual fucking gun like that is not a laser gun that is a full on pistol
@QasimAliQasim-r9g5 ай бұрын
4:32 bro be moonwalking
@Notoptimuspr1me5 ай бұрын
squeezeplay just has a straight up glock
@AlexReynard5 ай бұрын
8:12 *magic disappearing car*
@anarki47173 ай бұрын
I missed out on the original Tarn and I was so happy to see him again, the rest were a happy bonus
@bloodstreak20015 ай бұрын
If my calculations are correct Cliffjumper dies of grand total of 8 times throughout the Transformers franchise. most of them from comic books a total of 6. 1 from a movie and 1 from a TV show if there are others that I'm unaware of you are welcome to tell me
@pama10405 ай бұрын
even though it wasn't confirmed he more then likely died in Netflix war for cybertron trilogy
@monte_20005 ай бұрын
For those that don't know, you can tighten the screw holding his shoulder pieces so it creates more fiction which means the shoulders will stay in place a lot better too.
@Jeradactile4 ай бұрын
I really dig the Tarn colors in this pack. Probably my favorite of the repaints and renames
@Jeradactile4 ай бұрын
Cliffjumper is awesome. Squeezeplay was my meh out of the pack. Selling him. The rest I really dig !!
@alexperales99935 ай бұрын
When will hasbro stop bullying our boy.😭
@VictoriaKoy-kd7vx5 ай бұрын
Most likely never :D
@ZachDy-xg9it5 ай бұрын
They gave him a chance in the Skybound comics
@endobendo94975 ай бұрын
F to pay respects for cliff man.
@VictoriaKoy-kd7vx5 ай бұрын
@@alexperales9993 F F FFFFFFFFFF
@Gman1972-fh7xw5 ай бұрын
Squeeze play reminds me of orga from the Godzilla 2000 millennium movie
@TechnicalJimActual5 ай бұрын
Did anyone else think the back of Cliffjumper's head looks like a weird viking with a big beard & a visor? It's weird & kind of hilarious.
@Brandon-McFadden.5 ай бұрын
Looks like a pretty good set, probably the only 4pack where I want them all lol, £80 here in the UK so you're kinda getting a free Deluxe too. Great review man 👍.
@Convoy2005SPIH5 ай бұрын
Come on cliffjumper you got This I believe in you avenge your previous incarnations
@NABBOLING5824 ай бұрын
"You mess with Cliffjumper, you get the horns!"
@NICK349B5 ай бұрын
Bro is cooked 💀
@elitegamer210055 ай бұрын
Yeah the cons are screwed
@K3LT0N125 ай бұрын
They should do a redeco of cliffjumper and skyquake and call it the terrorcon 2-pack
@Vinylmelody15175 ай бұрын
Squeeze play looks like a candy coated Orga. A kaiju that godzilla fought once
@Randomguy1ism5 ай бұрын
Given the work The Rock had been doing in WWE this year it did make me chuckle how Hasbro decided to release this 4 pack in conjunction
@Ehasnt5 ай бұрын
Average Cliffjumper situation
@AlexReynard5 ай бұрын
NO ONE UNDERSTANDS HOW MUCH I HAVE BEEN WANTING A NEW TOY OF SQUEEZEPLAY HE'S A NEON-80S-DECEPTICON-COLORED XENOMORPH FOR FUCK'S SAKE Cliffjumper looks nice too.
@senator_Optimus_Prime5 ай бұрын
NOT HIM DYING AGAIN😭
@raphaeldagamer5 ай бұрын
I already have one pre-order. I'll probably lock in a second one for: A second whole blaster for Cliffjumper A second Tarn in the spirit of army building Two buzzsaws for Knock Out Whatever I can use two Squeezeplays for Whatever I can use two Tarantulases for And a custom Terrorcon Cliffjumper
@Auburn_Samurai275 ай бұрын
Prime Cliff could beat them all. It would just be a challenge once he got Squeezeplay and Tarantulas down. He would have to play it tactical for Tarn. Also I could see the Legacy Tarn using a sword
@Cdr20025 ай бұрын
IDW1 Cliffjumper was a menace to the Decepticons and honestly the meme is getting a little old after he only prominently died twice. Justice for our boi
@LitClubMember5 ай бұрын
Yeah no if this was IDW1 Cliffjumper all those Cons are gone
@DallinBarton-w3w5 ай бұрын
I love your reviews, they are just so honest.
@CJWproductions5 ай бұрын
My favorite part of this set is when Cliffjumper said "it's cliffjumping time," and totally cliffjumped all over those guys
@FennekinTF5 ай бұрын
Cliffjumper and Tarn are definite stand-outs! They're the main reason I want the pack! I had my doubts, but Cliff works better using Chase's mold than I thought! He looks great! Tarn is a sick repaint based on a sick version of the character! And, from the knowledge I _do_ have, I don't think Tarn has ever had a sword, but somehow, it works really, really well! He looks great with it! (I still need Bludgeon...) Idk Cancer/Squeezeplay, but he looks cool; quite a bit of retooling which is nice and cool. Tarantulas repaint looks cool; I could perhaps, potentially use him as a new character. We'll see. I really want this set!! Its awesome! ......And, lets hope Cliff will be fine, ey? Hope hes not in too much trouble. Also, I'm still waiting for Barricade from Chase's mold. It'd look absolutely perfect and awesome! Replace Cliff's gun/Chase's capture-claw with a buzzsaw weapon or a flail-thing. It'd be great. And, tbh, I don't think the mold could be bad as TFP Wheeljack. With enough retooling, hopefully _ALOT,_ it could work pretty well, I think.
@xanderzwierschke56735 ай бұрын
I originally thought SqueezePlay was a new mold
@biospark47585 ай бұрын
I know we’re getting Star Raider Lockdown this year, but that Chase/Cliff mold NEEDS to be retooled into Cyberverse Lockdown
@ThatToyGuy5 ай бұрын
Y'know what....I can kinda see that
@FennekinTF5 ай бұрын
Barricade first. New flail-thing or buzzsaw, instead of Capture-Claw/Cliff's gun. New deco and new head. It'd be beautiful. I need it. Oh, and ES Breakdown, too. I'm surprised no-one else noticed that ES Breakdown has a striking resemblance to LGY Chase.
@FennekinTF5 ай бұрын
@@ThatToyGuy I kinda can, too
@choppergunner86505 ай бұрын
Cliffjumper is the Yamcha of Cybertron 😂
@Kohiku5 ай бұрын
As a huge Tarantulas fan this set is an epic win
@Owen-g2j5 ай бұрын
Hilarious intro, and great video.
@JasonX06595 ай бұрын
I love Titan's Return Mindwipe! Especially because his bat wings fold in to form his legs!
@SwedishSeacon5 ай бұрын
A perfect candidate for a future Horri-Bull figure is a heavy retooling of Weirdwolf.
@Kitzune-kun11916 күн бұрын
The tarn just feels like the takara version with tons more paint (remember when takara did that? Like generations and united drift?)
@vilmerkrogandersen3165 ай бұрын
Finally someone Who reviews this!!!
@ZachDy-xg9it5 ай бұрын
Those who've read the Skybound comics like myself would know that Cliffjumper finally got his time to shine. The one thing I didn't like was the fact that the spotlight came about due to Bumblebee getting murked by Starscream in Issue 1.
@FennekinTF5 ай бұрын
My boy Bumblebee....
@motoara17034 ай бұрын
@@FennekinTF atleast he dies for the first time in transformers media so that cliff can finally get the spotlight
@FennekinTF4 ай бұрын
@@motoara1703For the first time? What do you even mean? He has died before. You mean like, die permanently? Cuz, thats never gonna happen. Cliffy deserves more spotlight, but not at the cost or death of Bee. Honestly, they should've just focused less on Bee, to give more focus to Cliffy, not kill him off C'mon guys, revive him as Goldbug later on. No harm
@ZachDy-xg9it3 ай бұрын
@@motoara1703 FYI, the last time Bumblebee died in a _Transformers_ comic was in _Dark Cybertron_ Chapter 11, but his spark persisted as a ghost that only Starscream could see.
@EungsuLee5 ай бұрын
Squeezeplay! Damn this set is so worth it by Squeezeplay alone. I WANT MY LITTLE TYRANID TRANSFORMER ARRRGH!
@Tarnishedsteel4 ай бұрын
“And then there’s a orange spider” *Squish* 10:10
@Convoy2005SPIH5 ай бұрын
Can you smell that? Can you smmmeelllll what my cliff is cooking?
@YeetKing122225 ай бұрын
Cool video I hardly heard anything on this pack and haven’t seen any vids on until now
@TheServantSlayer75 ай бұрын
0:29 Nope, he has die many times in a lot of universes.
@MinotaurSauce5 ай бұрын
As a big fan of Legacy Tarantulas he's honestly my favourite out of the set
@FungoTVillager4 ай бұрын
Want the cliff? get the Jumpin’
@kalebendres5 ай бұрын
Thus 4 pack is literally just like that one scene from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure part 5 where the whole gang is just kicking the s*** out of one guy
@SammyKablam5 ай бұрын
Holy crap, a new Squeezeplay!
@EMH_Richard5 ай бұрын
I actually really like the Tarantulas. He has the same face as the toy from the 90s.
@Sir_Bone-Head5 ай бұрын
If they make Terrorcon Cliffjumper I’m immediately preordering it.
@PaulGaither5 ай бұрын
In my experience, "value packs" are more like "you have to pay more for the toy you as we force you to buy others that would shelf warm if we weren't forcing you to get them." This is no different.
@matthewkim6052 ай бұрын
Whoa. I just came across this and now I’m wondering…how the hell did I miss this pack??!!
@muazo99165 ай бұрын
cliffjumper: I die don’t I?
@enemy-steel10 күн бұрын
Im getting this pack for my birthday and im super excited mostly for clifford but the others look fun to!
@usagentcyclone5 ай бұрын
Is your discord still up? Trying to get the community to give me ideas on the best motorcycle tf toys since I’m on a buying spree lately
@thearkhamnerd83935 ай бұрын
Squeezeplay looks like a hunter from resident evil
@360degressboy5 ай бұрын
a full video montage of cliffjumper getting bullied
@TheArcane_Speedster4 ай бұрын
I love Cliffjumper so I really want this!!
@strike51024 ай бұрын
I just bought one today was well worth it so exticed to finally have the Tarn model and not pay an arm and a leg.
@THANATOS-PRIME5 ай бұрын
The monster mode on Squeezeplay reminds me a lot of Orga from Godzilla 2000.
@ZonoYT5 ай бұрын
Stand proud. You are strong.
@dubuyajay99644 ай бұрын
I'll keep Tarantulus. He was a Nightmare in Beast Wars and is an ideal teammate for Tarn.
@miketate34455 ай бұрын
I instantly rewound the janky dolly zoom.
@Web-Warrior-ne7sy2 ай бұрын
I hope they re-release this cliffjumper. Because this is probably the best TFP figure they've made
@owene25302 ай бұрын
They'd be fools not to
@tylerferron90195 ай бұрын
A couple screws you can tighten to make Cliff jumper's shoulders a little tighter. I had to do that on my chase figure
@masterfarr8265Ай бұрын
Cliffjumper is kinda like the Kenny McCormick of Transformers.
@loganclement32825 ай бұрын
Still haven’t recovered from Cliff getting absolutely Murcked in Bumblebee
@ZachDy-xg9it5 ай бұрын
What about Bumblebee getting murked by Starscream in Skybound?
@mememachine-rn2sc5 ай бұрын
Now here’s the thing they named the Deceptikon cancer because they know that cliff jumper is going to die immediately because you got the perfect Deceptacon and a mad scientist