The 2023 CFMOTO Ibex 800 T is High on Features, but Low on Refinement

Chinese manufacturer CFMOTO is well known for their ATV's, but is somewhat new to making motorcycles. The Ibex 800 T is their flagship adventure bike, using a KTM designed 790 engine, and packing cruise control, heated grips, heated seat, crash bars, adjustable windshield, quickshifter and more. But, despite packing in a lot of features for the money, I revealed some rideability issues during my test. #motorcycles #motorbike #cfmoto #adv #advrider #dualsport #bike #ride
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00:00 Intro/Specs
05:20 Tour/Features
10:02 First Ride
12:50 Freeway
14:56 Cruise Control Issue
15:45 Sport Riding
18:29 Controls
19:01 Off Road Test
22:54 Surging Issue
23:42 ABS
24:41 Drop/Lift
26:54 Rain Mode
27:30 Conclusion

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[@deancardon8138]

Put in raim. Mode off road helps with slow speed surging etc

[@dwayneneufeld1696]

No. First, it is a Chinese company even though so many parts are made in China for all the mfg's, I think it's worth trying not to buy Chinese when possible and the fueling would be really annoying since I've experienced that before. A lot of good options though. Cruise control being the biggest convenience option that other bikes in this class missed!:(

[@jdflhr]

Does Walmart carry them??

[@CVO17-GSA23]

Looked at it at a local shop looks good loads of features but no it's not for me.

[@LifeMyWay007]

Super interested in the 650 ADVENTURA. Can you review one of those and compare to the less tech for more money KLR650? I can't be the only one wondering between those two bikes.

[@user-zj3ht7bj6z]

Have been owning this bike for almost a year (around 20.000 km currently), the review is pretty much on point, thanks for your work. A couple of things I'd like to add: 1) Fueling issue. You have to go to the dealership and force them to update fuel mapping, then the problem goes away. The update has been available for a year, so no idea why new bike doesn't have the latest mapping. 2) Crash Durability I've used this bike quite a lot offroad riding different terrains (rocks, sand, gravel). And I've dropped the bike may times on all of them. Sometimes it has fallen on the hard rocks in the mountains and rolled away. No damage to the bike whatsoever (except for cosmetics like paint and crash bars, obviously) 3) Realiability Considering how I treated this bike, I would say the conditions were at the worse 99% percentile of how people would use machine like this. The only problem i had was that protective layer of the dashboard started to peel off after half a year- the entire screen was replaced under warranty. Nothing else has gone wrong. 4) Offroad It can be ridden offroad quite hard, although definitely there are better machines for that. But I have been riding with guys on Tenere, Africa twin, KTM 890, Tuareg for a year and haven't been in a single situation, when the bike didn't pull through. So this bike will limit you only if you progressed enough, train regularly and seek harder and harder challenges.

[@BigRockMoto]

thanks!

[@djessbolan]

You still have the bike, comment still holding true? I sat on S today and it was phenomenal how it felt natural to me and so comfortable, HD Pan Am felt cheaper at $10k higher price tag, and Kawasaki was close to it but felt better build quality. There’s just something about 800, I’m thinking about pulling a trigger.

[@laverdad2022]

Nothing better like an honest comment from an actual owner. I thought the engine issue was just a mapping adjustment, BRM should have known that either.

[@grantcrossley8909]

I’ve owned the 800MT for over 12 months and I’ve got 22000km on it. I love it. No problems, nothing has broken or fallen off. The fueling was improved with an ECU update from CFMoto. There was a recall for 2022 models to replace the water pump impeller which has been carried out by the dealer. Like you said in your video ,it is an Adventure tourer and it does that very well. Best value for money out there.

[@ronfeast932]

Vario screen required

[@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC]

I know this is subjective thing but I think this might be the best looking adventure bike out there. The styling is spot on. It’s actually a beautiful looking bike that’s not quirky or over the top. Those headlights just look good!

[@MarkSmith-zw8fh]

I’ve heard the design is by Kiska

[@BERZERKERSV4]

Trust me, the Ibex is much better looking in person….better than anything from Europe or Japan…

[@mikerichardson415]

Definitely subjective! I much prefer the looks of the new Honda Transalp......

[@1000gib]

I am quite surprised to see such opinion. I think the design is one of the big downsides of this bike, even though it looks better in person and better than KTM.

[@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC]

@@mikerichardson415 And I dislike the trans alp. :-)

[@cameronburch3532]

I bought one a month and a half ago and already have about 1500 miles on it. It's a great commuter, does great on the highway with cruise control, and does great offroad with better tires. I put Kenda Big Blocks on mine and rode it for about 700 miles one weekend on a camping trip with about 200 miles of forest roads. I'm loving it so far! I traded up from a KTM 390 Adventure.

[@woodknack1]

I am very happy with mine too.

[@ryanm6869]

Just turned 4k miles on my 800T and I love it! I mostly commute to work (95 miles highway) on it and I’ve taken it camping a few times (a little gravel road action) I’m coming from a cbr600rr. I’m new to the ADV world and this is a perfect intro for me. And I think the bike is beautiful! Can’t wait to go on more adventures on it! Great review 🤙

[@fireice1997]

I commented on the last video talking about this bike and I’m glad you posted the video. But I’ve had 22 motorcycles since 2018 and that’s persists over all brands and their newer models. I have to say that I’m blown away by my CFmoto 450ss. For the price it checks so many boxes. In the Facebook groups I’m in some people have over 25,000 miles on there’s and it’s been fine. I’m convinced that this brand is hitting the market hard and the Japanese need to be focused on CFmoto. My H2 which is kawasakis premium line doesn’t even come close to the features my 450 has. That’s a bike that’s 5,400$ beating my 20,000$ bike. Yeah the h2 is faster but that’s about all it has to offer. Personally I’m pumped that CFmoto is throwing a hand in the game because when there’s competition between brands the winner is the customer👍🏼

[@robvanduren761]

I would not hesitate to buy one of these bikes. WHY. Legacy auto makers bikes/cars/vans have given me nothing but shit for the last 10 years.

[@billfish5913]

I sat on the Ibex T at a dealer last weekend. It looks appealing. I saw a you tube from Australia that said they have a computer fix for the herky jerky throttle. It appears top heavy with a full fuel tank. I think it would be good on the highway. I wouldn’t take it off road. I like the leg room on the Ibex for comfort. My concern is with our trade relationship with China, I worry about getting parts. Otherwise it seems like a deal to me. I have ridden an Electraglide for 23 years and a Goldwing for about that long before. So I like a bike that my wife and I can tour on. Great review as usual Ian. Thanks.😎

[@mizushima76]

I've tested it and I liked it. Then after 2 days I tested the V-Strom 800 DE and I understood why Chinese manufacturers still have a long way to go. And despite having less features and a slightly high price (at least here in Europe) at the end I purchased the Suzuki. Thank you for your great review.

[@IAmYourReflection]

Wish the Suzuki had tubeless wheels and better wind protection then it would be a no brainer in this category

[@mizushima76]

@@IAmYourReflection You are absolutely right! 👍🏻

[@artwallace5925]

Suzuki dropped the ball on excluding electronic CC on the 800-IMO@@IAmYourReflection

[@IRQ1Conflict]

Thing is, the Suzuki isn't in this category. Much like the Transalp it is more road focused. The Suzy is a true 50/50 bike.

[@mizushima76]

@@IRQ1Conflict Yes. You are right. But they are often compared on KZbin reviews especially with the Transalp 😉 as they shared the 21" front wheel (not the IBEX of course) and the 800 cc engine.

[@billweiss9514]

I appreciate how thorough you are.enjoy the ride.

[@BigRockMoto]

I appreciate that!

[@martinlam4249]

Always watch till the end, your videos are fantastic!

[@BigRockMoto]

thanks!

[@Im-a-Fool]

Hi Ian, I purchased the 2023 Ibex800T , my main consideration was cost, I couldnt buy a decent used Adv Touring bike at the price of this new bike. Used bike prices are out of control like everything else is. My CFMOTO dealer is very close and reputable, and there was no price gouging with my purchase. The throttle issues you mentioned have been mitigated in a couple of ways, for me there was resetting the Throttle mapping (Turn the bike on with the throttle wide open, don't start it though, count to 60 , turn it off and start it normally), and also tightening the carb to airbox connectors (night and day differnce) and also received an OTA update through the CFMOTO Ride app that addressed an MTU error message (It updated cooling fan logic that was causing it)

[@Peripolo11]

Tnx Ian, great review as Always. 3 time no-go on my watch: surging issue, Cruise control issue, quickschifter issue.😭

[@Jared01]

Bear Butte in the background! The first year of Get On! I stayed in the first cabin right behind you on the corner, awesome view of the butte! Seriously considering this bike for my larger ADV, but I wasn’t able to check it out during the fest this year.

[@drewiliffe4855]

In Australia we have the Explore model. 6 riding modes abs off on either rear or both wheels, traction control and revised engine. 3 kw less power and much smoother throttle. Redline now at 8000 rpm. Apple carplay etc. Way better than the 800 Touring. Hopefully you get this model soon.

[@ryanallison7044]

I purchased one and I really enjoy it. It's my first adventure style bike and your right there are pros and cons. I like the seat height and all the features. I'm more commuter and tourer vs off roader but if I see a dirt road no problem. I just put it on rain mode. Thanks for video

[@BigRockMoto]

Good to hear!

[@renatolopes3292]

Exactly the same comments from my side; I’ve put 5,000 miles on it and I love the comfort and features; as I only do light off-road it works just fine for me…it’s all a matter of what you need from a motorbike. I added a wind deflector and it’s great for road riding

[@woodknack1]

Same here too!!

[@Mo-Max]

Hi Ian, thank you for reviewing this CFmoto. I just recently became aware of this brand and bought a 450ss which has been great. But, my interest in adventure bikes is growing, and I would love to see more of the middleweight bikes at this price point. I would definitely consider this bike, but I think they will get better for offroad versatility in a couple years.

[@canacruzer5173]

I think they have for the price a very good starting platform with room to build on. Give them a couple of years with customer feedback and I think they will be able to compete well with the middle leaguers. Great review as always.

[@williamnelson9292]

Yes, but by then they will be more expensive, I think now is the time to take the decision to give him confidence because it is a good offer.

[@gabrielkopp2036]

So far out all the reviews on yhis bike you are the only one I can think of has mentioned the Jerky throttle at low speed.. great video Ian love you reviews.. you are brutally honest

[@BigRockMoto]

Glad to help!

[@MrUled]

Finally an honest, unsponsored review. Thanks!

[@BigRockMoto]

No problem!

[@defaultuser3410]

Thanks for doing the drop/lift test, it's an important thing to know that most other reviewers seem to hesitate to do.

[@IAmYourReflection]

What’s cool about this bike is you can do updates using your phone. I thought I heard there was a fueling update available??? And there is an updated model out(maybe not in the us) that has traction control ect The things that make this bike stand out from the Japanese competition are it’s tubeless spoked wheels(which all adv bikes should have) and the nice looking headlight/fairing/front end, which the Suzuki and Honda are both lacking

[@iananderson1422]

I bought one in the spring to replace my 2014 second gen V-Strom 1000. Your review is accurate as always. My dealer is working with a third party on the mapping to help the surge you find at that 3000 rpm. You are correct it is pretty bad. Other than that the bike has been fantastic. almost 4000 kms and no issues. much more comfortable and composed compared to the V-Strom. The bikes are $14800 out the door in Cnd dollars.=$10874 usd $13800+ freight+PDI etc. However the Touring comes with all the luggage here which is very high quality. We have a 5 year warranty in Canada. So far pretty happy with my purchase.

[@BigRockMoto]

Awesome

[@andrewpeter6128]

5 year warranty? Wowza

[@brucedavis41]

After watching yours an others like Ozark Backroads it’s on my watch list. Thank you for your always good content.

[@keithfranklin5156]

Not only was I willing try one I bought one. It’s a blast and super comfortable.

[@brucedavis41]

After yours an Arkansas Backroads, I’m going to watch it for the next yr or 2. But it’s on my list. Thank you you put out great content.

[@joeblow5037]

Off topic a bit....But I ADORED your old homestead, what with the setup, ample driveway, garage, mountainous terrain, and such. 🥰 Haven't gotten a great view of your new digs yet....but I am wondering if you miss it?? The only sketchy thing I saw was the exit onto the blind road. Great test, as usual, Ian.

[@milesdavis8665]

Great review as always Ian...

[@BigRockMoto]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@DennysPlantBasedJourney]

I rode a few different of the 800 Ts at a ride event. I wanted to make sure it wasn't just one bike over the other. I had the same conclusion. The fueling is off. I mentioned it to the ride organizers for CF Moto and they tried to play it down. But I definitely noticed it. I have viewed several other videos saying the same thing about fueling. I hope they get it fixed. Additionally, I would want a taller windshield and wider too. I was very tempted, but just couldn't pull the trigger.

[@MarkSmith-zw8fh]

I really want this bike but I’m waiting for Explorer edition which has traction control and blind spot detection. The throttle mapping is being revised with software updates and continues to improve. There as also an overheating bug that has now been resolved, again with a software update. Which I believe will be the main issue owners will experience. The hardware is known and should not be a concern but the software is a little unrefined but is improving which would give me confidence. The only other thing I would do is look over the bike very carefully just to make sure everything is tightened correctly and don’t be concerned if there is some coolant that leaks out (people have remarked that it had been over filled).

[@BlazinBlades]

Thanks Ian There is an OEM software ECU fix for that first gear jerkiness. It’s kind of a recall that was probably not done yet on the US bikes. Our friends from down under were the first to point it out to CF Moto and they fixed it with a software upgrade. It looks like a fantastic bike for what you pay 🍻🍻

[@rpm197214]

That is correct. Here in Australia we have fixed that ecu problem and it’s like a completely different bike. Pickup has improved through all gears. CFMOTO heard about it and kept in contact with the Gus doing it and liked what they did. I believe KTM are also looking at the new ecu as well.

[@erosas887]

Ian, you really got the point about this motorcycle. It is a great highway motorcycle and after having it for around 3 months I would buy another one if the fuelling is fixed for sure. @cfmoto, please fix the fuelling asap and let everyone know.

[@SteelHorseman]

I love the way it looks 😊

[@mr.solitude3352]

Thank you for this traditionally exceptional review. Speaking as a young-minded geezer, this bike appears to be the perfect value-laden bike to transition to from a much heavier cruiser that I currently ride. And cruise control is not a feature that comes with many bikes at that price point. My wrists will thank me, to be sure. Thanks again.

[@BigRockMoto]

Well said!

[@ganzmontejo4176]

First one! Been waiting for this review.

[@philallen301]

You have some of the best reviews, thank you. You REALLY need to do and independent on. HD Pan Am. Please.

[@woodknack1]

I have this bike and I really like it. There IS a surging at certain rpms but that is something I have learned to get use to (hopefully can get a fix with an app update). I mainly use mine on road and Love Love Love it and all the features! My off roading consists of mainly dirt roads once in a blue moon. So for me the bike fits my needs perfectly. And what you get for the price point would be hard to get in any other bike. I only use 6th gear in the highway. More of a cruising gear for me. Thanks for the review.

[@rtdude1]

I'm really glad to see you do this first ride review as I've been seriously considering getting this bike. Great job, thank you! I'm still considering it. My last bike did the exact same thing in first gear (it was a 2003 Harley superglide sport with a big cam) so I'm used to that lol. I've heard there is a flash for the ibex that will fix that though. any thoughts on that? Also, I really don't like the idea of not being able to lock up the rear wheel, although I've never had a bike with abs before...

[@bobvandick2546]

At the time I was purchasing a bike, this bike was not in shops in my area. After all was said and done, I ended up purchasing a 2023 KTM 890 adventure. Purchasing the KTM was reminiscent of purchasing my BMW R1200 GS….getting nickeled and dimed for every feature I wanted. Even though more expensive, I believe I would still choose the KTM over the IBEX 800T.

[@STRU66]

Very helpful review

[@MrRickrm]

Moving mine. A software update really helped with the surging. Also the throttle reset helps. I replaced my windshield and it is perfect. It would be nice for you to do a follow up review. Also I think lower gearing would help for off road.

[@user-xy2tf3bq2i]

we are at a very start point of making motocycles, there were litteraly no domestic-brand bikes to choose like 6 years ago when I start to ride, only 125 cc commuter bikes all around in the countryside.I'm very happy we are chacthing up these years, but I would say there is still a long way to go. thanks for your review on CF800T, I watched your DL1050 review 2years ago and bought a XT version myself, and I ride it to do a test ride on the CF800T, both bikes are touring orinted, I thought the DL1050 feels easier to handle with higher seat height and heavier weight.

[@MotoXplor]

I'd buy one. Based on what I've heard from many owners and testers, it's a great bike. Plus, with all you get for the price, you can't beat it. Cruise control, heated seat and grips, engine protection, center stand, etc. If I were in the market for a new bike, this would be high on the list.

[@thomassterns7120]

Always enjoy your reviews. If I were mechanically inclined (and skilled) this bike would be a great option for road trips and gravel roads. Can you offer some insight as to that weird notch and split just to the right of the center head bolt?

[@stevecraven4596]

I've owned the Adventura 650 for a year now and have put 15,000 highway miles on it. I've been pleased so far. I'll probably upgrade to the IBEX next year. I think you get a lot of bike for the money with a CF Moto. I'd love to have a Versys 1000, but I'd much rather keep the extra 10K in my pocket.

[@stevenhill2204]

Took delivery of the first Tenere 700 in Colorado a few years ago (my 32nd bike since 1976), and have ridden it happily for the last 3 years, but... I'm 64 and have been riding dirt since I was 12. Time for something a little more long-distance friendly and road-worthy that won't break the bank. This bike is very, very difficult to ignore given what you get for the $$$. TBH the thing that causes me pause is the KTM connection. I've never, ever wanted an orange bike due to the reliability issues that my many KTM riding friends have had. That and the technological crutches/training wheels that experienced riders like myself spend an inordinate amount of time scoffing at😏

[@ianmoone6562]

I'd really like to see your review of the explore model mostly due to the tft and to test if the rear alarm system works or if it's a gimmick. Another one from them that I hope you get yourd hands on is the 800NK, craaazy bike

[@stefanionescu9881]

In Europe we now get an updated 800MT Explore Edition wich has the surging issue completely resolved, has TC, 6 ride modes, lane assist, rear crash radar, MMI 8 inch screen with Apple CarPlay, better suspension. You should try that when it comes to the US. I'd say it is the best bang for buck adv motorcycle currently on the market anywhere in the world.

[@BigRockMoto]

sounds awesome

[@1MarkBevans]

We all know the throttle control could adjusted through a piggyback system. But, for the first time out of the chute this bike offers an alternative to the current crop of overpriced adventure bikes. Great early review, thanks!!

[@DubuqueDude]

Many new bikes now have locked ECUs and a piggyback tuner will not work.

[@BigRockMoto]

Great point!

[@IAmYourReflection]

You can update the ecu using a smart phone there is an update for the fueling.

[@charliebaz86]

​@@IAmYourReflectionI'd like to read more about this, would you have a link to that?

[@ttrguy9952]

Ian Great review. I think for the budget price there's some dollar room for some fixes to make the bike whatever you want. Yeah, it's Chinese but so are BMW's, other KTM's and other manufacturers medium range bikes. Well done Sir with no scathing comments from me or my Mannequin. Ride SAFE and BE safe Ian! 👍👍

[@sorenmelchior]

To answer your question... would I purchase one? I would have to say no for the following reasons. I currently ride a dual sport (DRZ400s) and am looking to upgrade to something with more range. I like the fact that my DRZ doesn't have any traction control, or rider modes, and 90% of my riding is in the dirt here in interior Alaska. So my inclination for upgrade model is still leaning towards a T7. As then I could still handle the rougher trails, but have the additional range to get to more far reaching ones without buzzing my hands numb (like I do with my DRZ on longer pavement trips using aggressive D606 tires). And yes I understand my tires are part of that issue .. but man are they great on the trails.

[@jamessmith9786]

I watch your content ( top of the charts ) virtually for free, so you asked a direct question, impolite not to answer. I would consider & maybe purchase this bike, though I don't know where. Might regret it, used to Japanese reliability & availability. Feature laden for sure, good looking, but my V-Strom is still hitting the right mark.

[@Malikot911]

Nice to hear from someone who has been on many ADV bikes.

[@twowheelsabove]

9:16 bars are pretty easy to understand actually _(as well as others _*_International System of Units_*_ quantities)_ 1 bar = 1 atm = 100,000 Pa - default atmospheric pressure at sea level 2.2 bar - default pressure for car or bike tyre 6-8 bar - road bicycle, 25C tyre 150 bar - argon/oxygen/co2 - gas cylinders

[@markuswormann8852]

Nice Bike. Straight up,to be honest. I've i got the amount of euros in my pocket, then I go for the Norden 901.

[@djm6900]

I don't see myself going down the CFMOTO road for some time. There are things I like about their bikes... and things I don't; Ian always does a very nice job covering that stuff in his pieces. Price is appealing. But, I spend long hours in the saddle and sometimes wander long distances in random routes; so, dealer network and known reliability is a big deal and I typically keep to Honda and Yamaha for that type of riding. Ergos are very important to me, too. I hope CFMOTO continues to grow and improve and I'll keep an eye on them for now. (I noticed we didn't get the long shot ergo set up/leg position usually in these reviews... no camera stand, perhaps)

[@chrispekel5709]

Any KTM place can work on these, it's a 790 adventure frame and engine

[@kengrantk]

If KTM/Husqvarna didn't exist with their big lead on traction control features and the low-slung tank design, I would seriously consider this over other Japanese or Euro offerings. I may still choose the Tuareg 660 over this but that would come solely from the Tuareg being (arguably) the best in class for small-midsize ADVs (ie, not 900s), which I was really looking for as a newer rider who was new to dirt. The Husky 901 sold me because of the software and tank design, making it a much less intimidating bike despite the fact that it has ridiculous power (the high-power was somewhat appealing as it would help keep me interested longer term and be more comfortable on long highway trips through the mountains). I guess KTM has the low tank idea patented because I don't know why more manufacturers aren't going that direction for these already tall, top heavy bikes.

[@winstonwolff]

I look at the ibex and KTM. Decided on the 901 also. Got a good deal so I had to pull the trigger. Not really much more I could want from a bike

[@MrJJGoode]

I imagine the KTM reliability issues have not been an issue? Just curious. Thanks

[@dcijams]

are the bag supports, for just the factory equipment (hard Bags) and do they offer larger bags for the bike?

[@iH0V4D0]

if you download app and make update it will sort out the fueling.

[@albertprasetyo6846]

Great bike ❤

[@RobinTorrekensTravelVlog]

1 bar is like 1 time our atmospheric pressure and is 100000 pascal which is newton per square meter. It is metric so very easy to calculate with or to convert. In car and motorcycle tires we put like 2 or 3 bar, in a bicycle tires from 3 to 6 or even 8 bar on tubes. PSI is not a standard but when grown up with those numbers in your head when talking about tyre pressure I can imagine it might seem easier. BTW, your video is excellent and thorough.

[@transylvaniaithub]

Question for everyone. I have a Honda NC750X brand new, 2023 DCT. It's high on refinement, low in features. I am interested in touring (and don't need more power). Would you recomend to accesorize the NC or swap for a MT ? I did a test drive with the NC, exacly my thoughts. Low refinement, lots of small issues.

[@nonsononessunooko4066]

for all the options its insane for the price seems like a good deal if you like adventure bikes

[@bengill7219]

I currently own a KTM 390 ADV but was on the lookout to replace my Yamaha FZS1000 for two up touring. Came across one of these in my local KTM dealer (KTM are the distributor here in the UK) I didn’t know anything about cf Moto but recognised the motor. I was shocked at what great value for money this bike is. cf Moto are including the aluminium luggage in with the price as a promotion. I’ve owned this bike for 1 week now and so far I’m super impressed. I agree with all of your comments. Hopefully the low speed fuelling issue will be dealt with by software updates at some point. I’m also looking to replace the screen probably with a puig screen with adjustable wind deflector. I’ve also got an issue with the mirrors moving in the wind, the dealer has said they will replace at 1st (600 mile) service but I feel that I may need to look at alternatives such as double take mirrors. Really enjoyed your review of this bike 👍🏻

[@GregoryRamsey]

FYI , the spokes use small o-rings on each spoke to seal air in the wheel. How many places is that for a leak? The suzuki way seems best (2014 v strom xt).

[@blackbuttecruizr]

Currently own VStrom 1050XT, not in the market for another bike. Enjoyed your review though. Can you get your hands on a Kove 450 and test it?

[@azizlenox]

Yes I would, for the features it provides

[@Chocco3]

hi, how do you install the abs off key? where does it connect exactly?

[@geforce5591]

I’m interested in the explore model.

[@stiingya]

looks like an adventure tour cruiser? The pull back on those bars is crazy...

[@ryanallison7044]

How would you rate the CF Moto vs the vstrom 650 or Honda cb500x

[@antonoat]

Good fair review, seems the engine is great apart form the fueling, the rest of the bike not too bad! Cheap as chips if we're honest. Not sure if I'd be brave enough to buy one!

[@Minaras12345]

@BigRockMoto. Here in Greece CF Moto is selling a lot of these bikes (800 MT is named) with dealers in every major city and with its price (9900Euros~10700USD) is a fair bike (but with unknown reliability). In order to compare KTM 790 costs (11750Euros~12700USD). If Chinese brands want they should provide reliable bikes and i suppose they will.....

[@MrKdr500]

"chassis" is the metal frame which is identical to the KTM/Husqvarna norden frame, J Juan brakes are owned by Brembo/ktm.

[@gkeller9958]

I was hoping for a better review off road. Other reviewers have only tested the pavement, which like you said, a good touring bike. Sat on both the Ibex and the 800DE. Really liked the feel of the Ibex and it’s $1000 cheaper. As you said on the Suzuki 800DE review,if it only had cruise control. So it looks like this review is going to cost me an extra thousand, but at least I’ll know what I’m getting.

[@simpletonballsack]

Keep looking. There's a video of an Aussie flogging this bike in the bush.

[@lestersmyth692]

This bike is very good looking and well equipped within this price bracket however they need to work on its ride quality for sure. I still think they need to lower the price to get more buyers on board as it is to near to better mainstream bikes. Would be interesting to know the price of one in China no doubt a lot less than we’re paying? Thanks for the review much appreciated 👍

[@carlosvejar3938]

I was very close to pulling the trigger on the sport version of this bike but the seat is a bit high for me and made it feel top heavy. So in the end I got a Honda CBR 650r

[@user-yi9qy8bs3f]

Would you recommend it for a beginner or an older rider who returns?

[@joaquimj.c6447]

You should have tested the new 800MT Explore, in Portugal it is the best CF Moto that you can buy at the moment, a lot of technology and with improvements in the driving maps. Good videos as always.

[@rufcut2273]

The adventure is not available in the US

[@TraveladvRajanSRai]

they amkin soon

[@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449]

They have been using a fleet of them in North Queensland Australia, to do cape York , I seen them when I was up their ( cape York motorcycle tourers) apparently from a dealer I know up their they have had quite a few problems ( cracking rims a major one ) also I heard they are replacing them with GS,s.

[@thedownwardmachine]

For that kind of money, I’d be cross shopping a used, fully kitted pre 2020 Africa Twin

[@malcolmpatton9314]

I like this bike and having cruise control is a bonus I have done some loose gravel on my current bike a Honda cb500x which I have dropped a few times silly mistakes I have improved and I am more confident but this bike would not work for me the jerky throttle and high centre of gravity would put me off. I would probably by the ktm 790 due to lower centre of gravity and live without the cruise control etc.

[@xBingo61]

I was also interested in this machine because I really liked the look and the rich equipment. Unfortunately, the service network for this brand is very thin here in Germany.... the dealer was also not very communicative and also rejected the trade-in of my Voge 500DS because there were allegedly only problems with it (had not a single problem in 2 years and have also never heard anything)..... finally I bought a Moto Guzzi V85TT from a very very friendly and competent dealer and am happy with it

[@Shockley0305]

I’m trying to decide between the V85tt or the CFmoto. Any advice or thoughts would be appreciated.

[@luckylarry2715]

To answer your question, I considered the CFmoto a few months ago when I saw pictures on the web. I was in the market for a twin cylinder adv bike but I checked and there were no dealers in a reasonable distance from my home. I rejected an Aprilia Tuareg for the same reason. I ended up with a Norden Exp.

[@Scablands_Scavenger]

I looked at these, felt like it was top heavy and tippy, fit and finish was ok, not great not bad just ok. Personally I was a bit worried about parts availability down the road, for several reasons. Being a new offering and first step in the market I feel like there will be changes coming soon that will limit parts support in the future, short model run usually means short parts runs. Low speed off into some brush, may not be able to get parts kind of stuff. Also other reasons to not be able to get parts from China are possible. I also considered if I want to change some of the accessories will there be aftermarket support? I think for those who just want a turn key one and done out the door bike it is a lot of bike for the money, for those who like to tinker and keep bikes for years it may not be the best. I do own a CF Moto 800XC four wheeler and have been perfectly happy with it so far.

[@leodoingthings1706]

as its brand new bike maybe he will work better in 1-2 gears after running in?

[@FreeFlyFreak69]

Test rode this bike twice about a month ago, once in sport mode, once in Rain. Two things killed it for me. 1) at low speeds, low gears, the throttle response was very on/off, jerky, twitchy. 2) indicator switch had zero tactile feedback, I constantly had to check the dash to see if I had done what I wanted to. I could live with number 2, number 1 was a deal killer. If they could fix those two things it would be worth the money. If you could live with the inevitably bad resale value anyway. Hopefully they can fix the few issues and I can pick up a used one in a few years

[@Sstevenflorido]

Relación precio calidad muy buena.

[@Tec2Nut]

How does it compare to the Nordon 901 ?

[@tomjohnson6036]

I’ve dealt with a lot of Chinese made aftermarket parts for cars and not been impressed. It’s basically a finicky European motor in a finicky Chinese motorcycle. If I wanted finicky I’d buy a Tuareg ‘cause at least it’s sexy. At the end of the day I wanted reliable so I bought a Tenere.

[@TraveladvRajanSRai]

these can go longer also more comf tenere has no range or comfort

[@tomj2111]

I recently road a new 23 that had the update done on it and it was still "twitchy". Did anyone have totally "good" results from the update and have the fueling problem disappear completely? I'm buying this bike either way.

[@beborodner930]

I have a cf moto dealership near me and got to at least sit on the bike amd lpok at it in person. Really nice looking and good ergo.. you can see through the polish and find the cost cutting, but you have to look hard. I would take this over a Versys or Honda CBX..

[@GS-uy4xo]

Great assessment! Please do the 450MT when you get a chance - that’s my choice until they come out with a 450 scrambler. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@user-ne6sg6tr9h]

This bike is a big seller here in Greece (it's called cfmoto 800mt here). It has really low price and is full of tech. The spec sheet looks great but in reality the bike has a big issue. The fueling is terrible. I suppose the problem has to do with emmisions. You are basically forced to change the fuel mapping and lose warranty. After the change the bike is actually ok. Decent tourer, mediocre on road and pretty bad off road. It would be worth the price tag if it ever sorted out the fuelling. P.s. Could you do a review of the new voge dsx 525, a bike which after riding it, i consider it to be the best bargain of the motorcycle world right now?

[@simpletonballsack]

The fuelling issue has been sorted with a free download from CFM (no tampering or lost warranty) and the remaining issue in this video is just constant throttle at 3k rpm or 20km/h in first gear. The vast majority of riders will never experience that.

[@mbarr691]

I'm considering this bike over the Transalp based on the hp/tech/ protection/price. I'm just worried about the heat that comes off these engines as I live in Southern California an in the summer that would really suck.

[@adamkreuz9068]

I was looking at buying this but with the announcement of the new Tracer GT+ coming to the States, I'm moving in that direction more.

[@winstonwolff]

Planning to buy a 2024 model once they have the radar and bigger touchscreen and traction control. Bang for the buck it's a lot of bike. Of course I may have to drive 100 or 200 miles to find a dealer to service under warranty.

[@musicandbackroads]

My friend got one today 0 down delayed first month payment (can't remember when he said it was due)

[@razorwired130]

Somebody needs to take one of these on a 15K mile jaunt to Alaska. Do the Dalton, Dempster - the full monty and then report back.