The 2025 Nidecker Carbon Supermatic Snowboard Binding Review

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Angry Snowboarder

Angry Snowboarder

Күн бұрын

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@kevincrist7619
@kevincrist7619 21 күн бұрын
I love my Supermatics. With a bad lower back, it makes a huge difference by the end of the day on Michigan hills. If I was out west on longer runs, I doubt that I would have invested into them. Two weeks ago, 40+ runs in one day, they are really nice for that. When you spend more time on the lift than on the hill, that is when these shine.
@bartsimpsonhead2790
@bartsimpsonhead2790 3 ай бұрын
C'mon Avran, don't hold back and sugar coat it - tell us what you really think of the Clews! 😂🤪
@mup8661
@mup8661 2 ай бұрын
I think he set them on fire or threw'em away. I cant remember. It was years ago
@kellenmck
@kellenmck 2 ай бұрын
He literally burned his
@bartsimpsonhead2790
@bartsimpsonhead2790 2 ай бұрын
@@mup8661 yes I watched the video when it came out (Avran's highest viewed video to date?!?) - though I don't know why he was so coy about them in this one? ;)
@bartsimpsonhead2790
@bartsimpsonhead2790 2 ай бұрын
@@kellenmck for the price of a set of Clews each pair should come complete with their own dumpster and can of gas!
@wavyb0ne
@wavyb0ne 2 ай бұрын
I love my clews. I walk around the house in them all the time. haven't tried snowboarding yet. Buckhouse says theyre awesome and he's a pro so im pretty much almost a pro myself.
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 2 ай бұрын
Probably put the stirrups into the sex swing too, don't you?
@user-ye9yt2mv2n
@user-ye9yt2mv2n Ай бұрын
Lol the fact you think Buckhouse is a “pro” is more than enough proof you’re a Jerry. He’s an influencer who looks good to the casual snowboarders. You probably watch Kevin from snowboardpro camp too… go check tommyb, snowboardaddiction, malcom moore for real content
@jackblah5842
@jackblah5842 Ай бұрын
@@user-ye9yt2mv2n how on earth did you not get @wavyb0ne was being sarcastic AF. We truly are living in the idiocracy.
@skepperoni7382
@skepperoni7382 26 күн бұрын
@@user-ye9yt2mv2n it was a joke bro
@MakiKata59
@MakiKata59 21 күн бұрын
@@user-ye9yt2mv2n Sarcasm really is obvious in his post.
@vvkim20
@vvkim20 2 ай бұрын
I was looking for stepping-in binding. I saw one review about Clew. Thanks for saving my money. Now. I will get this one.
@Zander271
@Zander271 2 ай бұрын
Clews are trash. Good job on skipping them I picked up Supermatics last year and really enjoyed them. Perfect for jumping on and off the board while working with my young son on his first full season of boarding. My only gripe would be the weight of the bindings outside of that they are great for cruising and running over skier or two when needed.
@RobertoVillaLobby
@RobertoVillaLobby 2 ай бұрын
This works so smooth, even with snow and ice in the system. First minute I rode these I could step in my back foot while already riding. Got these together with stiff Nidecker Kita boots > great combination for carving and charging.
@Rezo3
@Rezo3 Ай бұрын
I'm glad you clued me in on clew. My kid wanted me to buy them. He now wants the supermatics, but maybe I shouldn't promote laziness and make him do it like I did for 20 years in Vail.
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder Ай бұрын
Tell him to be a man.
@marktechsci
@marktechsci Ай бұрын
Make him walk 20 miles to school… in the snow….uphill. BOTH WAYS.
@MyOsist
@MyOsist 2 сағат бұрын
Yea make him strap in. Buy yourself some step ins. You're older. You deserve it.
@Butterdsausage
@Butterdsausage 3 ай бұрын
I love your hatred for the clew-less people. I had a friend ask me about them. I said “don’t” and sent them a link to your review.
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 3 ай бұрын
Doing the lords work.
@jackblah5842
@jackblah5842 Ай бұрын
Whoa Wait What ... wouldn't a clew-less person be someone without Clew :P
@jwlbrace
@jwlbrace 2 ай бұрын
Great review - I tried some regular supermatics, preferred the burton genesis step on for feel, but then I don’t have issues with burton boots… thanks for keeping it real about Clews, shoddy looking product.
@cdish33
@cdish33 2 ай бұрын
5:04 I love coming in the back door
@iiiKingLongSwipeiii
@iiiKingLongSwipeiii 2 ай бұрын
😅
@mr.force1036
@mr.force1036 3 ай бұрын
Ok, I can still bend over at the waist, or do the sit down whatever, but I like getting off the lift and stepping in, it just feels good. Been strappin for 30 years. Going on year 3 with them, the Supermatics are fine on the groomers and side hits, I don’t do big jumps so I don’t know, a little extra weight isn’t an issue for me and I like the flex, but still use the Jones Meteorites on my pow gear. Thanks and good review. Mr. Force 10 from Mt Hood
@Ryan-td3td
@Ryan-td3td 3 ай бұрын
I've been riding for 30 years and can still effortlessly bend over, but I love stepping into my bindings now (of course you still have to bend over to release these). Timewise, the difference is minute but major to me. And I do ride with skiers.
@dannyherr6628
@dannyherr6628 3 ай бұрын
Same, it's just convenient and nice to hop off the lift, kick in, and ride away. No downtime. If I didn't like the way they rode, I'd buy traditional strap-in bindings, but they ride super nice and are convenient, so why not
@mohammadfarhad4533
@mohammadfarhad4533 2 ай бұрын
Have you had any issues with it on pow or you just don’t use it?
@mr.force1036
@mr.force1036 2 ай бұрын
@@mohammadfarhad4533 just used them in 2 “ wet early season on a Stratos, no problem. When it’s deep though, I like a softer feel .jones meteorites 😎
@a-smith3y
@a-smith3y 3 ай бұрын
30 days on hill last year and never saw a Clew binding. I'd like to attribute it to my usual hill having more educated snowboarders rather than just my own dumb luck. Caveat: I didn't ride vacation weeks.
@DLabroad
@DLabroad Ай бұрын
As a casual boarder who only hits the slopes with my partner, these are perfect for us. To make things easier for both of us I used to strap in her boots for her but now we both just step in and cruise around and enjoy!
@StayFreshCheese
@StayFreshCheese 2 ай бұрын
I returned my clews after seeing your scathing review on that so thank you. And I picked up a set of these carbons. They just arrived yesterday they’re fucking sweet!
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 2 ай бұрын
Solid choice if you’re going through the back door!
@StayFreshCheese
@StayFreshCheese 2 ай бұрын
@@AngrySnowboarder I think those clews made Jonathan Buckhouse break his ankle. After I watched the review on clews, and how they have basically no lateral flex across your ankle. And I remembered dude fell and broke his ankle. If you look at the clip you can see if the binding would have had some give to it prolly would’ve saved his ankle. You kind of shined a spotlight on this influencer culture in snowboarding. I don’t think we used to have this back when I was riding in my early 2000s. It’s gross. Thanks for keeping it real.
@corptusion
@corptusion 14 күн бұрын
Hahaha. The ending was hilarious
@xt9416
@xt9416 25 күн бұрын
Bang! great review
@csmaksai
@csmaksai 2 ай бұрын
I've got one for myself. It's not about the time so be able to keep up with skiers, but to avoid bending over with a big stomach at the age of 46 (you have to blow all the air out to reach the strap in case of a regular binding). 😀
@nunuvyerbizness
@nunuvyerbizness Ай бұрын
Yeah, I don't have a big belly but I'm older, and at altitude I got completely gassed from doubling over to ratchet the straps. I have old Flows, and I step in, snap up the backs, and go. There's no play in them at all. When I replace them it will be Flows, Gnus, or these Nidecker.
@Daz5Daz
@Daz5Daz Ай бұрын
I've been almost exclusively riding some form of step-in binding since 1997. The old Switch system has still not been bettered in my view but I now have the original Supermatics (2023) and have very little to complain about. They just work.
@jackblah5842
@jackblah5842 Ай бұрын
Switch like the old Burton step ins were an inherently bad design. Connecting to the center of your arch in line with the board made them too stiff for lateral flex and crap heel-toe power, worst of both worlds, that's why Burton dropped them. Clicker highbacks were the best design back in the day.
@Daz5Daz
@Daz5Daz 10 күн бұрын
@@jackblah5842 I guess there are no facts here, just opinions. I loved the Switch setup and I rated the heel-toe power because the bindings were baseless. As for lateral flex I thought the Switch boots really got ahead of that with the lateral joint in their integrated highback. Anyway, it's all just opinions!
@ais4ashlie
@ais4ashlie Ай бұрын
Going the gather the family to rewatch the Clew review, get in the season spirit, and laugh that there are still to this day clewpologists claiming they never had issues in the comments that Arvan has to school.
@couchpotatoinc
@couchpotatoinc 2 ай бұрын
I do think there's a time savings for those riding 400-600' vertical on the east, cause your runs take 1-2 minutes, so the time savings add up. At whistler, I get 5-10 runs per day out, and runs take 10-20 mins. so even if I save 10 seconds each run, I'm not getting an extra lap. Lift capacity is the number one impact on the amount of laps I do, not time spent strapping in.
@StayFreshCheese
@StayFreshCheese 2 ай бұрын
@@couchpotatoinc ^this. I live on the east coast. Runs are short the time really adds up over the day.
@fvictor77
@fvictor77 3 ай бұрын
Ok I can get behind these, I didn’t like how soft the other supermatic were. But I think I’ll stick to my NOW Drives
@Berniegoh
@Berniegoh 3 ай бұрын
clew-hating gentlefolk, we meet again
@The0nionKnight
@The0nionKnight 2 ай бұрын
A man of culture
@Игорь-р8у6б
@Игорь-р8у6б 2 ай бұрын
They are ideal for pow and for resort riding, especially in the deep snow when you have to step out , it takes less effort , to buckle . In my mountains you can do that very often because of the shape of the mountain
@sl1210mk10
@sl1210mk10 25 күн бұрын
I use one of these bad boys on the back leg and a union strata on the front. Works for me
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 25 күн бұрын
Dear god that’s awful.
@sl1210mk10
@sl1210mk10 25 күн бұрын
@AngrySnowboarder 🤣
@brendancarbone7621
@brendancarbone7621 3 ай бұрын
CLEWZERS ASSEMBLE
@jackOFFBEAT
@jackOFFBEAT 3 ай бұрын
when gun safety vid?
@couchpotatoinc
@couchpotatoinc 2 ай бұрын
I like my bindings the same way I like my girlfriend to bang me: STRAP ON.
@toelwithit5266
@toelwithit5266 2 ай бұрын
You turned me off the Klew's, I bought the Supermatics and love them! For a 50+ year old and the ease of stepping into these it works a treat :)
@iiiKingLongSwipeiii
@iiiKingLongSwipeiii 2 ай бұрын
These Deckers remind me of the K2 cinch binding from back in the early 2000s and they were actually good bindings the only problems is they were fucking heavy as 🪨 💩 and 60% of the time after you flat landed from overshooting a tabletop the back clip switch of the high back would unhook itself but it was a quick fix by popping it back up and clipping it back... But the control on a board from every angle was astonishing
@ericlessard3628
@ericlessard3628 4 күн бұрын
It would seem like a good reason would be in situations where you have a flat traverse where you need to get out of your binding for a while but then can jump back in (without having to stop) - perhaps that's not a problem for experienced strapped in boarders?
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 4 күн бұрын
Go faster.
@Mr.Del29
@Mr.Del29 3 ай бұрын
Clew scrambling to do damage control again with their influencers. 😂
@c4rwr3ck
@c4rwr3ck 3 ай бұрын
pretty telling they'd rather spend their resources on damage control instead of iterating their own products
@alastor1052
@alastor1052 3 ай бұрын
A dogmeat company putting out dogmeat products. Who would've guessed lmao
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 3 ай бұрын
Dogmeat is too nice, they're diarrhea dogshit on a hot summers day on the deck of a pool.
@alastor1052
@alastor1052 3 ай бұрын
@@AngrySnowboarder steamy...
@couchpotatoinc
@couchpotatoinc 2 ай бұрын
I can only reply "nice try Diddy" on buckhouse's videos so many times
@HNM69
@HNM69 3 ай бұрын
Great Review! How would you think the Carbon would compare to a Burton Genesis X on my Jones Ultra MindExpander?
@sgtaaronp
@sgtaaronp Ай бұрын
I did buy the clew last year, i do like the step in stuff, as i am old and fat now, but here i am looking foe something else...
@mramosa
@mramosa 25 күн бұрын
Between this carbon model and the standard one, which one would you recommend to pair them with the jones mountain twin or the mega merc? Thanks!
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 25 күн бұрын
Honestly they’ll both work it really comes down to how much response and weight savings you want. I.e. the mega merc is a lightweight board so the carbon is the better choice in terms of weight savings.
@mramosa
@mramosa 25 күн бұрын
@ great! Thanks. It’s really nice you answer fan’s questions.. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@RileyRoberson-v5k
@RileyRoberson-v5k 27 күн бұрын
Ok. Thanks. What about the other models of these that aren’t as stiff as the carbon ones?
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 27 күн бұрын
What about them?
@RileyRoberson-v5k
@RileyRoberson-v5k 27 күн бұрын
Are they ok for beginners or are they still for more advanced riders?
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 27 күн бұрын
They'll be fine.
@Evan_prits
@Evan_prits 3 ай бұрын
First time I ever hit the like button with my forehead
@jsuppo3030
@jsuppo3030 3 күн бұрын
Have anyone had a prob with the heel hammock dipping into the board?
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 3 күн бұрын
I haven't heard anything about that, but wouldn't be surprised if some high calorie humans were having that issue.
@daveg5857
@daveg5857 Ай бұрын
Your reviews always make me laugh. How hard do you think it is step in with your rear foot on the go, i.e. just after exiting the lift?
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder Ай бұрын
With this? Not too hard once you get used to the motion of how to do it.
@baernabyjones
@baernabyjones Ай бұрын
If you had to take it in the back door would you opt for the carbons and more chatter or the regulars?
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder Ай бұрын
I never take it in the back door, I give it. Two FASE.
@JDenim88
@JDenim88 19 күн бұрын
Great review. I’m a big fan of Flows. Do you think the Nx2 Carbons would be a better option?
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 19 күн бұрын
I don't necessarily think they're better, I just think they're different.
@ricoenrico-y9y
@ricoenrico-y9y 10 күн бұрын
@@AngrySnowboarder hello, what would be the differences?
@jake424k
@jake424k 3 ай бұрын
What's the weight difference between the regular and the carbon binding?
@beartracts2570
@beartracts2570 3 ай бұрын
Ive been trying to dig this out and the best info I have found is only about 0.2lbs differential.
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 3 ай бұрын
Less weight and more responsive in the highback and underfoot.
@petehelme7714
@petehelme7714 2 ай бұрын
@@beartracts2570 0.2 lbs., that's not a lot. Weight was not a design factor for the Carbon from what I've read, it was all about stiffness. at $500 for the pair, I'm not sure I'm ready to make a switch from the regular ones anyway.
@RileyRoberson-v5k
@RileyRoberson-v5k 28 күн бұрын
Are these ok for a beginner to ride or are they meant for a more advanced rider?
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 28 күн бұрын
Too advanced
@vaudou74
@vaudou74 Ай бұрын
didnt find any way to set up the spoilers more lateral ( X axis) so they could align with the backside.... backin /step on are still useful with kids, cat trail and if u don practive it....snowkite.
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder Ай бұрын
Since when do bindings have spoilers?
@vaudou74
@vaudou74 Ай бұрын
@@AngrySnowboarder haa in american: high back
@terrence9970
@terrence9970 2 ай бұрын
For response and flex what strap bindings are these comparable to? Atlas Pro and Cleaver?
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 2 ай бұрын
Probably Rome DoD or the regular Atlas.
@ajschroeter4645
@ajschroeter4645 3 ай бұрын
Have you got your link for how to setup supermatic bindings?
@cinnabon888
@cinnabon888 3 ай бұрын
06:43 I heard that videos that had uncensored swears would be less recommended by the youtube algorithm... you are not concerning about those? However, I like your review style, keep it real.
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 3 ай бұрын
I still call people retards, does it sound like I care?
@kedmond
@kedmond Ай бұрын
"...but still give them the ease of coming in through the backdoor."
@zekes9858
@zekes9858 2 ай бұрын
Interesting i rode the regular supermatics just about all year last year and my only complaints were the weight and the responsiveness and a bit too damp these might fix all my complaints
@Chaugar
@Chaugar 2 ай бұрын
Is it lighter than the original version?
@ericolmack2350
@ericolmack2350 2 ай бұрын
No, they’re actually slightly heavier.
@LF-Productions
@LF-Productions 2 ай бұрын
My only gripe with the supermatics is there so many extra moving parts it scary for wear over time
@Axabraxa
@Axabraxa 4 күн бұрын
I love my Supermatics, but I don’t trust the locking mechanism 100% Is FASE the answer?
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 4 күн бұрын
Might be.
@corptusion
@corptusion 14 күн бұрын
For those supermatic users, which do you prefer. Regular or carbon.
@brianquigley6919
@brianquigley6919 3 ай бұрын
Not that I really care about this binding but have tried the supermatics and they were insanely heavy. I can't seem to find any info on the exact weight difference. Do you happen to have any numbers on the difference from the old supermatics?
@ericolmack2350
@ericolmack2350 2 ай бұрын
The carbons are ever so slightly heavier by less than half ounce total weight or about 44g. No one should buy these thinking they’re any lighter - they’re simply stiffer and offer better ratchets and heal straps.
@andreassyren329
@andreassyren329 3 ай бұрын
Never thought we'd see you make another clew review, but here we are.
@henrycann6770
@henrycann6770 3 ай бұрын
I mean they’re two completely different box of frogs? One is an exceptionally well thought out and produced to a very high standard, the other is shit in every way.
@gpaull2
@gpaull2 3 ай бұрын
Did you watch the video…or do you just need to get a clew?!?! 😂
@albertchuang4747
@albertchuang4747 3 ай бұрын
Is it much lighter than the normal supermatic?
@xgra720
@xgra720 2 ай бұрын
​@albertchuang4747 they say yes, but marginally.
@ckernick
@ckernick Ай бұрын
😂😂
@fartman10284
@fartman10284 3 ай бұрын
Love how Avran continues to trash Clew whenever possible
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 3 ай бұрын
Maybe they should stop hiring influencers to tell them their farts smell like cotton candy and listen to the guy that told them 7 years ago there were issues with the product and they should address it.
@fartman10284
@fartman10284 2 ай бұрын
@@AngrySnowboarder Every binding review video you do, you should trash Clew in it.
@iiiKingLongSwipeiii
@iiiKingLongSwipeiii 2 ай бұрын
​@@fartman10284 every single one 😅
@shlomgert
@shlomgert Ай бұрын
@@fartman10284why though? Are they that bad?
@iiiKingLongSwipeiii
@iiiKingLongSwipeiii 2 ай бұрын
I love the moron comment 😂 LOL
@petehelme7714
@petehelme7714 2 ай бұрын
is the size of the mounting disc different this year, you said it was big but didn't show it. Is it the same size as Flow's now?
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 2 ай бұрын
It's the same disk as the regular Supermatic and all the Nidecker bindings.
@petehelme7714
@petehelme7714 2 ай бұрын
@@AngrySnowboarder Flow actually has two different sized discs is why I ask. The 21-H2, which is what the original Supermatics had, the lower priced Flows use that too. that's around 85-90mm. And the NX2 size, 21-G3, which is bigger at around 100mm. I actually just looked at the '24-25 parts list and the Carbon still uses the smaller disc. Thanks for the reply! :)
@cookiecracker6266
@cookiecracker6266 Ай бұрын
Great video. I really appreciate your reviews. But I would still like to fight you if I see you on the slopes just for fun.
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder Ай бұрын
Don't write checks your ass can't cash.
@VKMP1234
@VKMP1234 2 ай бұрын
You really triggered the CLEW fanboys that got scammed on a shitty product
@shlomgert
@shlomgert Ай бұрын
Are they really that bad?
@MrIvanPe
@MrIvanPe 3 ай бұрын
I don’t think he likes clew.
@rollingedges9469
@rollingedges9469 3 ай бұрын
More like nidecker superheel cup! Geez
@JhawkBeats
@JhawkBeats 2 ай бұрын
@ClewBindings won’t enter the chat.
@oztru2243
@oztru2243 24 күн бұрын
These are based on flow they actually bought the company. Flow sucks and these may be a bit better but don't listen to his crap about Clew I've used them for 3 seasons and they are very good at least give them a try at the store.
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 23 күн бұрын
You really should do some research before you talk out your ass.
@boeandthelizards
@boeandthelizards Ай бұрын
Don't buy the non carbon👎🏻! Materials sub-par, design has weak spots 😕. Locking them down tight gets you stuck in & needing to release the strap👎🏻. Been snowboarded since '96 & never broken bindings. The Supermatic's heel cup cracked wide open on 1st pair & on the 2nd warrantied pair, the saddle broke 😠. They might demo okay but WON'T LAST.
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder Ай бұрын
Are you the guy whose shit exploded because the lift obliterated it?
@mariankowalski9797
@mariankowalski9797 2 ай бұрын
WTF is in that picture on your left???
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 2 ай бұрын
There's a picture on the left?
@mariankowalski9797
@mariankowalski9797 2 ай бұрын
@@AngrySnowboarder Sure bud. Next to the bottle of vodka!
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 2 ай бұрын
There's a bottle of Vodka?
@mariankowalski9797
@mariankowalski9797 2 ай бұрын
@@AngrySnowboarder Wait that's not vodka... idk wtf that is... but anyways I hate U :)
@BlackMarketHoney
@BlackMarketHoney 3 ай бұрын
Step ins are for Convertible drivers, Realtors and Hairdressers.
@lucasrocha633
@lucasrocha633 3 ай бұрын
Why so Angry with Clew ?
@alastor1052
@alastor1052 3 ай бұрын
Shitty bindings.
@fZionists78
@fZionists78 3 ай бұрын
I assume he hates garbage snowboarding products, especially when they’re marketed by so many sellouts/liars.
@jpoppi8282
@jpoppi8282 3 ай бұрын
because the product ist not clever and not good. But clew makes agrressively marketing with buyed influencers, and they love these things in videos. its all about the money.
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 3 ай бұрын
Because they fucking suck. Shitty design with fatal flaws. They’ve spent more on their marketing than they did on fixing the problems their design created.
@zolotarev1anton
@zolotarev1anton 3 ай бұрын
Have to dislike because hating somebody due to their bindings type is silly.
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 3 ай бұрын
Oh no whatever shall we do. The Clewzers are upset.
@AVac1020
@AVac1020 2 ай бұрын
​@@AngrySnowboarder I can't believe you would just alienate .0000002% of your viewership, risky move.
@AngrySnowboarder
@AngrySnowboarder 2 ай бұрын
Can't make everyone happy and that clearly means Clewzers.
@Embers_YT
@Embers_YT 2 ай бұрын
You're a sensitive jackass for sure. He's hating the bindings themselves, the company that won't fix them, and we all don't have any respect for people shoveling money over for bad products. Get a spine and some thicker skin loser
@zolotarev1anton
@zolotarev1anton 2 ай бұрын
​@@AngrySnowboarder Realy angry snowboarder) Understand. that is your style, that is why you get some audience in your K2 triaxis boots))) BTW i agree that clew have actual problems in their design.
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