The 4AGE SUCKS! But we will build one anyway.

[@feral4mr2]

Best engine ever!!!! 26 years playing with the 4ag, very strong and capable.

[@LiljamezZz]

Sexy 🥰

[@riaanvision6299]

Agreed, best engine

[@robertokandal]

yor the best i have a chevy 35 years and iam alwass on foot down

[@kundex9155]

leider hat der Motor unterhalb von 5000 Umdrehungen keinerlei Kraft und benötigt immer hohe Drehzahlen. Das treibt den Ölverbrauch nach oben. Hatte den Motor im Corolla E9 GTI 16 aber mehr als 190kmh hat er nie geschafft. Das ist langsam und andere Fahrzeuge mit 116 HP waren immer schneller. Habe viele Ampelrennen gegen VW oder BMW verloren

[@Cha-KmaN]

The Best of The Best of The Best! i love my 4AG 16v Engine Turbo

[@NinoJoel]

3:30 American definition of fast.... Going on straights and pissing yourself when you see something that has resemblance to a corner

[@ConjunctionWay-bs9sz]

Going fast through corners is so much more fun than fast in the straights

[@PsPmoddedOUT]

Depends what part of the country you're in. Hill/mountain folks can drive

[@NinoJoel]

@@PsPmoddedOUT even in areas with hills the roads in the US are all huge and there are next to no tight corners. The average German road on the countryside would not even be drivable with most American cars without ending yourself.

[@riogrande163]

@@NinoJoel sounds like you have a narrow view of roads, cars, and motorsports in the US. Highway 9 and Tail Of The Dragon are just 2 examples of popular twisty roads in the US. Muscle/drag cars are not the only types of cars in the US, not to mention, Pikes Peak Hillclimb and Trans-am circuit racing has been popular for decades.

[@NinoJoel]

@@riogrande163 it is a meme where I live. I have been to the 🦅 several times and have been pretty much in every state. I live in Germany near the Green Hell so comparing anything that drives here to 95% of the cars in the 🦅 is just pointless. The brakes / the cooling / the suspension .... Hell the entire car is most of the time absolutely not build for anything we would use it here. That's not negativ... Just plain difference in the whole road system here compared to the 🦅. The average high powered car you'd buy in the 🦅 would be helpless on a normal country road here compared to a car half the power from here. Only car that comes to mind that has some usable suspension / brakes and weight would be a Corvette of the newer generations.

[@noddylloyd]

It doesn't suck!! Its a beautiful engine haha. I'm always impressed by the effort people will put into tuning them as well when you could just put a bigger engine in. But honestly i do like them. But I'm a 80s/90s corolla guy and they come with them.

[@jacktheaviator4938]

The whole "put a bigger engine in" isn't the answer when your car already has perfect balance with the four cylinder. Putting a bigger, and heavier, engine in ruins that. I have a Fiero track car that has had 7 different power plants over the years. The worst combo was the supercharged 3800. And the by far fastest has been an iron Duke 4 cylinder with a LS head. Bigger is almost never better in a sports car.

[@deancrawford2577]

My dad worked for Toyota when they released the 4AGE series 1, I remember it was such a revelation at the time, punched above it's weight and most manufacturers had to play catch up.

[@rattyratstuff7125]

Neighbor brought one over from Japan when new. Grew up with a monster NA 4age next door that had twin weber 50mm down drafts sticking out the hood

[@rrs_13]

4age Lightweight, reliable, fuel economic, tinkerable and sounds phenomenal. It doesn't suck just because it doesn't have variable valve timing. It's a traditional DOHC naturally aspirated wonder, that's what it is.

[@h.j.victory6103]

4AGE is antiquated, but is truly a sleeper engine. My friend used to have an HKS Twincharged AW11 back in the late 80's early 90's.... He was beating a lot of cars back then during the street racing scene here in Southern California. He was able to beat rotaries, V8's, turbo cars, and he was also able to beat a modified street bike that gave him 10 car fly by start. I myself had an AE86 with a 4AGZE and I gave a lot of more modern cars a run for there money. Point being, any motor has potential, it just depends how deep your pockets are. You can tune 4K, 3T, 18RG, 2TG, 3TGTE, 3SG engines and can get amazing power out of these motors. It just depends on your pockets. Also you have to consider the application. What are you using and tuning the engine for? Probably the most practical 4 cylinder Toyota engine to use or tune right now is probably the 3SG Beams 😀

[@gsr2envy]

What color was the MR2?

[@h.j.victory6103]

@@gsr2envy baby blue

[@feral4mr2]

I still run a twincharged 4ag now.

[@bradleykenrick202]

You dont need 700hp for a csr to be good, 114-190bhp is plently for s car built for corners on streets, 4age is an amazing engine just like the 2zzge

[@alphago9397]

very nice presentation with objective evidence to support your claims .. thanks for sharing.

[@mattsee45]

I went on a track day at BRC with my 1NZ Vios and chased a Corolla Big Body with a 4A-GE swap, and I'd say that that thing is closer to or faster than my car in the straights. So I wouldn't necessarily say the 1NZ is much faster, that's just my experience though.

[@kuholgarage]

If you say that your Vios can keep up with a 4AGE on the straights, still proves that the 1NZ economy engine is as good as the older performance engine. And the lighter front end of your Vios allows you to catch up on the corners. Plus your engine is easier and cheaper to maintain. So 1NZ > 4AGE?

[@mworld]

Had a lift back 86 Seca with a 4age (large head) a while back. It was not powerful, but it was fun. Managed to turn the head of a guy in a 6 cylinder because I could keep up with him lol.

[@slckb0y65]

it's old, not obsolete. name me another engine other than the K20 you can rev up to 11.000rpg with a few mods, and sound ungodly good for a 4 banger, especially with ITB. also, it's a old school toyota engine, meaning it's pretty much more bullet proof than a tank.

[@Gunsmoke2220]

Was gonna buy my uncles corolla with a 4AGE 20V BT he recenty rebuilt and has meticulously maintained it for over a decade as he is old school I thought it was fast for its displacement and sounded cool, after watching this i might reconsider also helped by the fact that i cant find any forums to help me in assiting with boosting the 20V just the 16V

[@yourgrandmasjzexboyfriend]

Mann if you dont buy that thing 🧍🏽

[@ultimateninja3x01]

It's certainly a dated engine but it's still a solid option if it's going in a light car. I'm planning on buying a Toyota fx16 Corolla hatchback with a 4age. The car weighs about 1900 lbs so 120hp should be more than enough to feel fast especially with that cars short gearing. Not to mention you really can't beat the sound in my opinion. Also the 1st Gen MR2 had a supercharged 4age so I wouldn't be surprised if you can Frankenstein something together relatively easily. All this being said, if you're putting it in a heavier car or want an easier build, look up the 3sge beams motor. It's another unit of an engine, inspired by the 4age from Toyota. Other than that you can always go K series 😂

[@Gunsmoke2220]

@ appreciate the response my man, his corolla is a AE111 wagon and he ported the heads and basically made it a 7AGE because he got a different block and has the 20V head but i was considering doing ah 2ZZGE or as you said a 3SGTE but i kinda wanna shy away from the boost and stay NA now lol hmm 2ZZ looks like it

[@ultimateninja3x01]

@@Gunsmoke2220 Ah yeah, that's pretty cool though honestly. I've actually not heard much of the 2zzge, what does it come out of? Also just curious, what do you plan on putting it into? *Side note the 3sge is an NA version of the 3sgte* just clarifying lol.

[@Gunsmoke2220]

@@ultimateninja3x01 the 2ZZGE is a celica and lotus engine its pretty rad and my bad youre right but if im staying NA ill go 2ZZ over 3SGE because theres more support for the 2ZZ

[@firstielasty1162]

I sort of like these..have one in a 4wd tercel, just assembled one for an aw11..but what does he mean about the sound? It sounds like a small, flat plane crank inline four, with a 1-3-4-2 firing order, which describes most of them...give any 16v one similar compression and cam timing, and it will sound the same...those things determine Sound, not the brand name or some magic. Sound wise, I'll take a v8 or inline six any day, or a cross plane R1..but it's just a matter of taste..

[@rattyratstuff7125]

Literally the most reliable drift engine in history. Balance a stock rotating assembly to .005 grams assembled or better, high comp pistons(nothing over 11.3:1) and like 5k in head porting and oversized valves and a pair of hks hog ass cams. Making right around the 170 mark with stock ported intake manifold I run limiter the entire track day. 15k miles at minimum of limiter bashing while drifting and it's lasted longer than any actually built engine I've had or seen. Only issue it has right now is corrosion on external aluminum because car sat outside for a winter and engine bay needs a polishing😅

[@PH74KG]

only reason im building a 7age is cause it sounds so delightful and its gonna have black top head, with snails ughhhh

[@raizuuu391]

Its not fast, but fast and it sounds good!

[@inaNis_]

if you want to have higher compression for very cheap, look for 4a-fe pistons or maybe 7a-fe pistons would also work.

[@GamezKAO]

I love the 4age16v but I prefer boost . so yeah 4a-gze series 3 engine Dual charged been driving it for years now but i do agree it's old now

[@Itorahk]

Its not possible to turbo charge the 4age 16v?

[@GamezKAO]

​@Itorahk i have the 4agze series 3 engine come forged and easy to convert from supercharger to turbo . Also its easy to boost 4age engine. Can easily build it with low boost

[@feral4mr2]

@@Itorahk 4ag's love the turbo. The only difference between the later 4age and 4agze is the pistons. So you do not need to source a 4agze to run boost, either oem or aftermarket forged pistons are easily found and put in the 4age. They run the same crank and rods. Very strong engine and love boost!

[@kaziridwanrahik497]

After watching u r video i feel so proud to drive my fathers NZE141 xD

[@gxcoupe7044]

That engine doesn't suck. It's most popular motor for drag racing in sout Africa we have ET times of 7.6 on 400m👌

[@iankeith763]

Music ruins the vid, its hard to hear the words being spoken.

[@robincollis6349]

4age 16v second gen was basically a hi comp 4agze (big cast steel crank and decent rods) good for about 300hp with no internal mods, with pistons, rods and an MLS head gasket standard crank will hold 5-600hp. I been running mine now for about 20 years with about 350 crank hp engine still healthy with 135psi comp (8:1 static compression) across all cylinders running 20+ psi boost it has been tracked and run the 1/4 in low 13s at 109 mph so yeah I have to disagree it's an awesome motor now the owner of the GR corolla as well I hope this 1.6l can also stand the test of time 😁

[@kynaz8217]

Sir were you able to attach the silvertop throttle bodies to your 4agze?

[@kuholgarage]

As of this time, not yet, we will get to it someday.

[@kynaz8217]

@@kuholgarage Okay thank you. I have been trying to design my own adapter plate, but I was wondering if you have another way. I've seen some people buy it overseas but it costs around 300USD or so.

[@kuholgarage]

@@kynaz8217 we were offered an adapter plate from Malaysia, and it was around that USD 300 ballpark as well. I think that's the easiest way. We haven't as yet started on the engine so we will also explore if we can just make an adapter plate.

[@twrcrew8852]

you're thinking like an engineer, but not like an engine builder. The all aluminum and plastic valve cover and intake runners on that modern engine are only "cool" comparing stock to stock. Iron blocks are stronger (even with the "weakened" design) and ultimately, if you have all of your parts made of metal and your wear parts rubber, you can stand the test of time. when those newer engines (and ALL new engines today) become 50 years old, they will be impossible to service because entire chunks of the engine will not exist, as the plastic will crumble away. So the performance aspect cannot be the only metric you use to measure how good an engine actually is.

[@kuholgarage]

The 4AGE has plastic timing belt covers that are still prone to what you say, and may or may not already be discontinued (dunno have to check). Really depends on your metrics and what weights you put on your metrics for you to determine what is best. As long as one can easily get parts for one's engine, that's all that matters. Plus plastic (and metal) parts can be remade via 3D printing if necessary. Thanks for the comment.

[@twrcrew8852]

@@kuholgarage timing belt covers are not necessary for operation. and yes there's many clear plastic aftermarket ones. The plot hole in 3D printing is needing an original to draw out your measurements from. if hypothetically they're all gone, that will be impossible.

[@NinoJoel]

"This engine sucks " Has a measly 3k views after a year... Gues there is something else that sucks. 😂

[@NinoJoel]

Even with the click bait title to trigger people almost no one cared

[@kuholgarage]

@@NinoJoel comparing with the other videos on the channel, this video is doing pretty well so no complaints. Except that I haven't started working on the car yet 😞

[@NinoJoel]

​@@kuholgarageeven if it does generate more views it does not help the channel grow. Best of luck to your project if you start it

[@ConjunctionWay-bs9sz]

I love the sound of it though, it sounds "retro performance". Retro meaning 80s-90s in my meaning

[@marcohansmartin9342]

7afe block with 4age head here in South Africa that what we do here u should check fastest 4age in south africa

[@nihonkokusai]

He doesnt remember it is from the 80s. Back then 2ZZ didnt exhaust and turbo just started.........

[@SpacedOdyssey]

And further ore you obviously have No ide that the 4AGE was originally bases of the FORD BDA Block from 1969. The twin cam 4AGE is basically a road going, mass produced version of the Ford Cosworth BDA twin cam racing engine. They share the same bore and stroke (81mm x 77mm), the same size valves (29.5mm & 25.5mm), and in some versions of the 4AGE very similar port shapes & sizes

[@rrs_13]

It's like toyota and yamaha looked at Ford's and Cosworth's work and said "look at that piece of cobbled up british crap. lets make of it what they can't: a reliable and properly built sports engine"

[@tokewelltv]

I want to hear the narrator in Jo Koy's moms voice. Josep! The Por-ay-gee-ee Josep!

[@kuholgarage]

I'll flip my p's and f's next time.

[@mtperformanceengines3508]

I mean i make 500 whp on mine and its basic as hell 😅

[@ZXLNT]

Put that in a 1967 Toyota Corona and make people cry. They would have no clue what it was....

[@rabbitfootedkitty1339]

GOODBYE, YELLOW BRICK ROAD DO YOU REMEMBER THE TIME TONIGHT?

[@cessna002]

the 4age is good and reliable if you don't go full fujiwara aka blowing up the engine😂

[@adrianduncan7939]

Gfy. The 4A101 for example, a reliable, just sporty enough inline 4, high revving, hemispherical heads, throaty sound, there is every reason to like this engine from an enthusiasts perspective which you seem to not be. You don't get to discredit the engine just because it's (at least originally was) cheap power oem and a simple power plant. Seems to me like you just piggybacking off of real engine enthusiasts knowledge and read a pamphlet before making the video

[@rars0n]

Yes, the 4AGE sucks... literally! It's a naturally-aspirated engine!

[@matthewold5816]

I spent 10 grand on my setup just to make 130whp🤡

[@Haley72692]

Your combo is mismatched then or you have a bunch tied up in labor, it’s not that hard to get 130 out of them

[@josh21fxgt]

I've only dropped around 3-4 thousand so far and I've just done a retune she did at 176kw

[@Itorahk]

@@josh21fxgtYou got details on it wanna see how your ae92 looks/what you’ve done to it

[@mtperformanceengines3508]

Put a turbo on it and make 400hp + 😊

[@SpacedOdyssey]

The 4AGE SUCKS! What a Bigoted biased title considering that you know nothing about one of the worlds Most famous and highly regard car engines

[@jacktheaviator4938]

I think the buthurt "acktullly...it doesn't suck, mine makes a bixzikion hp" comments sre HiLARIOUS. He used the title as clickbste to drag you hear to the comments section. You are making him $ by driving engagement on his video with every comment. So by disagreeing and name calling, you are filling his bank account.

[@kuholgarage]

I wish. This channel isn't monetized yet. But basically yeah. :p

[@purcellismail7558]

U comparing your V6 to a 4 cylinder,and u expect me to say the 4age suck ,only dumb people racing out of their class ,race in your class you will get better results ,and u will never beat Japanese fuel economy

[@pj3635]

None of this info is correct. Dude needs more research

[@Samqdf]

The quoted size of the throttles was wrong as those are gen-1 Silvertop throttles which have 42mm diameter blades. As for the rest much of it seemed correct to me? That aside it's always nice to see some of my parts in a video.

[@reneeharewood5053]

No nze engine out class the 16/16 big port 4age you dont know nothing

[@johns2631]

2TC...keep it simple.

[@MrALBERTOC70]

“4age sucks” 🤡 The good old fashioned 5valve per cilinder 4age beating your loved all aluminium modern engine design… 👏🏻: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIu2e5Wva6qBgqMsi=29uY3Zobi9JzcS-p Funniest thing is the fact you presume your cornean car which has a Japanese engine on it🤦🏻‍♂️ You might have seen plenty of 4age corolla taillights😂

[@kuholgarage]

You miss the point sadly.

[@macthemec]

You wanna talk about suck ass toyota engines how about the 1nzfe, thats the worst, the 2nz burns oil forever is you miss one oil change, the 2zz cant take boost and the v6 needs to crank over a million times to get a crank signal to turn on the injectors, then you have the throttle by wire where they tried to copy bosch but totally missed the point.