The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - How Excess Destroys Movies | Anatomy Of A Failure

[@Filmento]

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[@jakeelliott5317]

I think the swinging thing may have been venom

[@jakeelliott5317]

They might have tried to have him in film

[@GoatMalp]

That’s sucks that you can’t watch all those shows in your country without a VPN. My buddy Viktor Navorski complains about it all the time, too.

[@vineetdesai6396]

Hey can you make a video on Doolittle 2020?

[@PredsjednikGustavo._]

Filmento what is your opinion about Snyder cut coming out

[@matthiasneidenberger9471]

Harry: “You take his pictures. you know him.” Peter: “that’s not how pictures works.”

[@The_Curious_Cat]

"But you have Spider-Man in picture! You know spider-person! No lie to me I iz rich person! I know things!"

[@Pol74698]

CinemaSins dubbed by ScreenJunkies

[@rhyswong8976]

Harry: You took pictures of Gal Gadot... .... you are a f**King stalker...!!!

[@abdmin3268]

@@The_Curious_Cat doctor octopus thought the same thing in spiderman 2

[@cadethumann8605]

@@abdmin3268 Didn't harry suggest peter to Doc Ock? He told him that peter may know something about spiderman's whereabouts.

[@kenelt]

turning into a electricity powered mosnter is a small price for free dentalcare just look a those perfect pearly whites.

[@waltercomunello121]

this was one of the most awesome random comments ever.

[@jadynmurrell80]

It's a bonus 4 me

[@toshibazenith1966]

Throwing your car batteries into the ocean is a safe and legal thrill. It feeds the electric eels.

[@timtam3730]

I'm already ugly so I would just be getting clean teeth and electric powers so it's a double win for me.

[@me30000]

Cheaper than dental healthcare in the US

[@rroiboi125]

The black thing swinging is bully maguire getting ready to put some dirt in your eye

[@emberpowertcg7692]

yesss

[@rzd_id]

" Gonna cry? 😏 "

[@rhyswong8976]

He aint even web swing. He just strutting along with clicks on hand.

[@theballzeateralternativeac3668]

*:( )*

[@dreww304]

I believe this is canon and nothing can ever change my mind

[@carldimayuga6419]

that deleted scene was actually... really good. what the hell were they smoking when they decided to take it out?!

[@Peter_S.Woldrich]

Probably the same stuff WB and Joss were smoking when they decided that Flash pushing a truck was better than turning back time and saving everyone :P

[@itzmrinyy7484]

Dare I say, one of the best Spider-Man scenes ever *remembers Spider-Man 2 train sequence* Well it's still really good and it concludes two plot lines at once, which is actually really smart writing, but I guess in the movie business you have to sacrifice good writing and emotional closure for tacky world building and cheap sequel bait

[@zivo9453]

time and money and more

[@ridwana4037]

@@Peter_S.Woldrich That would open another cans of worms in the future. Basically all of the problems in the future movies will met the same question. "Why don't Barry just rewind the time to prevent X from happening?" So I think They did a good job of preventing Themselves getting stuck in the corner.

[@janmbro8812]

@@ridwana4037 very random comment but that spiderman fan was a literal dream stan from comparison

[@grfrjiglstan]

I guess they cut the "Oscorp has you under surveillance" plot because there's no way they wouldn't figure out he's Spiderman. "Whoa, he walked into an alleyway for the sixth time this week and Spiderman came out of it! Some guys have all the luck!"

[@harshadlalye]

This is the exact problem with the movie especially with most of the deleted scenes. They make sense in one way but then don't work out in others and sadly the whole film was just a compilation of not good enough stuff

[@Fei-Chan]

"Damn this Spider-man's web is really identical to one of our products... Well theres no way to figure him out from that, a lot of RICH clients ordered those from us, it could be anyone from them" "Sir theres someone from the suburbs ordering small boxes of our web pellets, should we investigate it" "Of course not, we are really busy putting strobe lights at the sinister 6 basement in case someone breach into our facility"

[@wjzav1971]

Love how the shot where Spider-Man slams the manhole cover into the Rhino was featured in every trailer, making us think that there is gonna be an awesome Spidey-Rhino fight. But nope. Its literally the shot the movie ends on. Sometimes I want to punch the marketing people at Hollywood right into the face.

[@ryanm.8720]

At least it was a scene that was actually in the movie, unlike most trailers that show scenes that never happen in the movie.

[@AllYourPals]

or how the terminator: genesis marketing put the biggest twist in all the trailers.

[@SyterPK]

@@AllYourPals Tell me more about it please, I missed it

[@AllYourPals]

@@SyterPK spoilers then. They put John Conner being turned Into a new brand of terminator in the trailers and then tried to play it off like some big revel. Would have been a pretty cool revels as well if we didn't know about it before the movie even dropped

[@alphax101-gaming2]

Am I the only one who loved the ending

[@alexdinu589]

Director: Ok how many stories you want in the movie? Studio: All of them and more

[@hermiona1147]

Studi: yes

This movie is more interested in setting up a cinematic universe than focusing on the present.

[@JasonRedWingTodd]

@ So...Fantastic Four 2015 again?

[@JasonRedWingTodd]

@@AbhayabhayamI had completely forgotten about the mummy, I never felt so bored watching a movie

[@John231984]

@@JasonRedWingTodd Same. I actually saw that and 2 other films that day... Thankfully this was first, because if I watched it late. Ugh.

[@shadowstrike234]

Spider-Man's top 3 greatest villains: 3- Doctor Octopus 2- Venom 1- Green Goblin Honorable mention: Avi Arad

[@CaptainShepard09]

@UltraPlushie yeah Thanos has nothing compared to Avi Arad, he is the true Marvel Villain

[@sirunbekannt5653]

Carnage (Cletus Kasady), Hobgoblin (Roderick Kingsley), Mysterio (Quentin Beck)

[@oimate6357]

Actually 1 is emo peter

[@AssembleAA]

No, it's Norman Osborn, Carnage & Doc Ock.

[@harisaran1752]

Venom should be 1

[@ars731]

The part where Peter refuses to give Harry his blood never felt right to me. It would have worked better if Peter had been guilted into giving him his blood, and something went wrong and made him the Green Goblin. Otherwise it feels like Peter is being an dick to his supposedly friend.

[@theserpent8667]

If they want to give us Goblin, then put his fucking mask on!

[@runcmc5065]

he kinda already was a dick, to other people

[@zoldycksilva9407]

Peter could have asked for harry's sample for running tests ?

[@theserpent8667]

@@runcmc5065 True.

[@kubaduce]

yeah, imagine how much more devastating it would have been to peter, so not only would peter have caused harry to turn into the goblin, but he also would have indirectly caused gwens death.

[@siddharthkhirwar7192]

I was actually so heartbroken by how messy the film was and that Sony canceled the series. The world building had massive and unique potential and the series had some extremely heart touching moments. Tbh Andrew is my favorite of the 3 actors to portray the role and could have easily been the best if he was given the proper material to work with. Also, Gwen >>> MJ.

[@sniperflashgaming3868]

YES!!! I feel the exact same. He's my favorite as Spiderman, even though the movies aren't perfect theyr personally my favorite series, my favorite soundtracks, and the acting was phenomenal, we've never seen chemistry in a spider movie like Pete and Gwen but...now...its all gone.

[@MarkClaytonII]

That’s what I’m saying this movie could’ve been amazing and then the hype for the amazing Spider-Man 3 would’ve been wild. I would’ve loved to see this movie if it was “finished” without the cuts or just take away a plot that doesn’t make sense or isn’t consistent.

[@guerroneo8782]

Same here. Don´t get me wrong i liked Maguire, he is my childhood Spiderman. But i thought Garfield was so interesting, i loved this interpretation, i could feel with him and the whole tone was kind of dark. This could have been so good...

[@Randomperson-zt3il]

I disagree I prefer MCU MJ and Tobey Maguire but I don’t get why these films get hated so much, they’re not masterpieces by any means whatsoever but they are alright

[@brajeshsingh2391]

@@Randomperson-zt3il the Tobey Maguire ones are better. Both Part 1 and Part 2 are good and Part 3 is not quite bad itself. If they had cut out the part of Peter Parking turning dark and his love hate relationship with MJ and concentrated on a more straight forward story with him trying to reconcile with his friends, it would have done better. Still its good enough for a few thrills and emotions. And watchable. These AG ones are pretty ordinary. I do not think either them or MCU have really come up with a story telling approach which is better or different from Sam Raimi's one. What they essentially do is change the characters and change the villains' but they are not able to refresh the narrative. What is pretty bad is they killed off Emma Stone in this one. C'mon you just cannot kill the girlfriend of a superhero in the movie. This is not Van Helsing, this is friendly neighborhood Spider Man. In the end he has to make everybody happy. As far as MCU is concerned there is again a lot of inconsistency. And though they are better structured than the AG ones they are never quite thrilling or unique. His girlfriend of the first movie just vanished and in the second one he has new girlfriend. In this case, the MCU one Spider Man is really struggling to be fitted into the MCU. The new Spider Man has a double challenge. He has to incognito, he has to be Spider Man and he has to fit into MCU. That is an enormous task for any screenwriter especially given the plethora of Super Hero movies we have seen.

[@VicSellsPeace]

When I rewatches this film, I noticed how heavily Spider-Man literally never bothers to save people in cars. Like, when he saves Max - a whole care gets DEMOLISHED

[@dakat5131]

lol "Silly, cars aren't people" "...there were people in the cars" "ohhhhh"

[@sartnowelye3236]

it's part of the spectacles XD

[@dcoy8666]

Spiderchad doesn't like people who don't take the train

[@captainhowlerwilson508]

Yes. That whole scene is one big plot contrivance.

[@theballzeateralternativeac3668]

Guys don't forget he was making jokes with the rhino in the alley way while people are getting mangled and squashed instead of saving people

[@filmfluent8320]

Filmento is one of the only Film KZbinrs out there who I genuinely think helps build on my understanding of film.

[@Lksz-l9k]

He's not as self absorbed as most are...

[@Beastinvader]

True. I like The Closer Look as well

[@anirudhgoud5035]

Definitely. I gained a lot of insight into story and structure by watching this channel. Beautiful.

[@garrusvakarian678]

@@anirudhgoud5035 The same here.Filmento has a large knowledge about narrative and how construct a story.

[@anirudhgoud5035]

@@garrusvakarian678 Yes, we should ask him to do a video on how he analyses a movie, and things he references while deducing it.

[@christophergirardi8145]

The saddest thing is that was everything that was cut restored, this probably could have made a good mini-series

[@guerroneo8782]

I thought the same back in the day!! This would have been so much better.

[@imred8264]

Specially for a movie that has this many sub plots

[@kenb2957]

Your mid video ad break was absolutely hysterical. 100% integrated with the video, I didn't even realize it was an ad until it happened. Peter Parker crying while Bob taunts him about region locks, 10/10 comedy.

[@blunew467]

Let’s talk about the fact they wasted Chris Cooper, a talented Oscar winning actor to just play Norman Osborn but to do nothing and just a dumb cameo appearance.

[@ethanlinnjitsu]

They were actually gonna make him Goblin in the next film. The sony hack in 2016 revealed all their plans for the franchise. Most of them were terrible.

[@BrotherTheory]

0:09 That's Tom Cruise in a scene from Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol where he hangs of a building :)

[@soul1059]

wait is this really true?

[@thabreez456]

No That was shot in Dubai And I'm pretty sure that amazing spiderman 2 wasn't shot in dubai. Also This was meant as a joke I'm sure

[@BrotherTheory]

@@thabreez456 I don't really know for sure :) It just reminded me of that scene from Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol :)

[@thabreez456]

@@BrotherTheory Yeah I understand but I know it was shot on dubai I live in dubai lol

[@adriannaranjo4397]

You win the comment section

[@lootwigvanwegen]

So we're beating the dead horse again... alright, this is one of my favorite dead horses. :b

[@trinaq]

I agree, the dead horse has been resurrected SO many times by now, it's practically a zombie! 😂🤣

[@bickle8931]

Kind of have to since people want these movies back

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Sometimes the dead horse deserves to be nuked from orbit.

[@BRLink1]

I mean, is not like we had many newborn horses this year we can beat to death

[@justincruz5720]

We keep beating this dead horse because there’s so much to learn from it, for better or worse.

[@pickyphysicsstudent201]

A general rule for writing is that the "Ignition" for the plot can be something randomly just falling into line but you should only have it be one thing. It can be the planets aligning allowing for a cult ritual. It can be some Mcguffin falling from the sky, it can be some nameless war or conflict which took place long ago off screen and the outcome left our characters in a certain state. Its when you combine multiple of these things are where problems start to form. You want a story to be based on as much cause & effect writing as possible. Having something just random happen can only really work if it is the "theory of large numbers" kind of inevitable random. The Ratchet & Clank games are a perfect example. Clank is the one anomaly robot made from the villain's production line, who choose to escape. In said escape, he crash lands near Ratchet, a mechanic Anthropomorphic Racoon-guy, who noticed said robot and thought to pick him up. This kick starts the plot. In the later games, they retcon stuff to make Ratchet the last of his super alien race kind, while Clank becomes the keeper of the time robots. That is much less believable, than the no name protag finding the one anomaly from the villain's enterprise.

[@artoriapendragonidilfitri7414]

Hey you, long time no see!.

[@dakat5131]

Sounds like something else that happens sometimes, where constantly trying to one-up the previous entry just leads to ridiculous and unbelievable situations.

[@linaware8635]

Athenaaaaa

[@schwarzerritter5724]

That is pretty much it. S o m e o n e had to find the McGuffin, so it is not unbelievable it is the normal guy we have been following for the last 10 minutes. It is also completely believable if the villain has the other McGuffin, because someone had to find that too. But if the villain who found the evil McGuffin is also the long lost twin brother of the hero who found the good McGuffin, that is bullshit.

[@Chadius]

Connect your scenes with "Therefore" instead of "And also!"

[@callmev3531]

3:09, Filmspeak had an interesting take on Max’s character. His main aspect is that he wants attention, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he wants friendship (as he doesn’t know what friendship really looks like). Him acting like he has friends and is important when he talks with Gwen is due to this exact thing. He wants to be seen as important and his obsession with Spider-Man is due to him giving even the tiniest crumb of attention with encouragement Peter dishes out without really thinking about it due to his cluttered mind with all that is going in his life. The moment he gets powers and gains the attention he so craves only to be attacked (and booed at) and witnessing the public focus on Spider-Man instead of him is what leads to his hatred of Spider-Man. Filmspeak’s overall take was Peter being focused on so many different things in the film, from Gwen to Harry, to his parents, to his career, to Spider-Man was supposed to be a lesson about how hectic and messy life can be, even for a superhero, but it goes on and so must everyone in it. Wether or not the execution of the message works to justify the film being hectic and messy isn’t something I’d be able to say for certain. All I know is that this film series had potential, but lost it.

[@87you87tube]

The most embarrassing part will always be that they made the same mistake with the same IP twice. And they're not even alone in doing this.

[@Yes-qw1sx]

I just love when Max becomes Electro , it fixes the gap between his teeth .

[@Here_is_Waldo]

Eels are well known for their perfect pearly whites.

[@Yes-qw1sx]

@@Here_is_Waldo Exactly.

[@aitoluxd]

I long press the like button hoping to use the "lol reaction" only to realize I'm on KZbin.

[@MrVIrginiaLUV]

Its fiction bro, calm down. Lol

[@Yes-qw1sx]

@@MrVIrginiaLUV Do I seem pissed about that fact ?

[@SpiderJAAM]

What it's so amazing about "Into the Spider-verse" is the fact that they technically used the same complicated stuff: Introducing Miles Morales, a ton of villains, heroes, the concept of a multiverse, etc... But the BIGGEST difference between that movie and this one, is that they knew from the start that this was the movie about Miles, all this other stuff comes naturally because they're consequences of stuff that happens around him and life, it doesn't just comes out of nowhere.

[@Chadius]

And anything that does come out of nowhere is either not important or a joke. I mean, Scorpion just appears because they needed a villain. But who cares? He's here for the fight!

[@Axterix13]

And the biggest weakness with that movie (besides using the crappy Ultimate versions of the villains) is that there are too many villains and heroes. Half of them could have been cut and the time invested in the ones that actually matter. But thankfully, it didn't hurt that movie as much as it did movies like Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, and The Amazing Spider-Man 2.Probably because all those movies have a myriad of other flaws to compound the issue.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@Axterix13 i mean the too many heroes and villians isn't a "weakness" as it MADE that movie because all those villains/heroes all made a lasting impression on the movie and I didn't hurt it at all as Filmento covered why already. Half of them SHOULDN"T have been cut because then that would have taken away from the multiverse insanity of the situation. And I'm not seeing how the ultimate versions are "crappy" at all since they all did well in of itself in the film.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@Chadius And he doesn't take away from anything as he just there for the villain multiverse situation. Him being there ADDED to the insanity which is great.

[@eoghanlacey6384]

Example ??

[@SidneyJupiter]

Norman’s disease was mentioned in the first film, mentioned, that was all.

[@allenmurallo3730]

Really? Where was it mentioned?

[@SidneyJupiter]

@@allenmurallo3730 Irrfan Khan’s character was talking about it to curt corners which is why he was making the lizard serum in the first place

[@allenmurallo3730]

@@SidneyJupiter Oh, I never picked up on that.

[@andrehashimoto8056]

@@allenmurallo3730, the guy was working for OSCORP... If it's not WEAPONS or SUPERSOLDIER PROGRAMS you can BET it's about something related to a member of the CEO family....

[@allenmurallo3730]

@@andrehashimoto8056 I guess so. It's just that I never noticed that line about Norman's disease in the first movie.

[@SiddharthShenoy]

Honestly, I'd love to watch the uncut version of the movie, it would definitely be better than the one we got.

[@theserpent8667]

Indeed.

[@MariOmor1]

Don't kill younglings

[@josephbassey1501]

Synder verse

[@Jasx_501]

"Happenstance" is the term used for everything you talked about in the first half. This is a major weakness in films and is something my film proffs warned against. You're 100% right about it all.

[@sdnmkhn]

I assumed Electro didn't become obsessed with Spider-Man until AFTER he was saved

[@Randomperson-zt3il]

I thought that what happened anyway

[@ClarenceSampang]

That's the point. Why not show at least a 10 second scene of him putting up the photos, making the fan club, etc. They couldn't - cause the film's really really bloated as it is and it should't have been.

[@moxiemaxie3543]

I thought he was obsessed before the save. What happened that makes people believe it was after? I am confused as to what his motivation was to become a villian who redirects his mental illness onto an interpersonal relationship

[@ieatgrass_8360]

same, i didn't know he liked spiderman before that (other than being flabbergasted at meeting a superhero which everyone would be)

[@littleredruri]

@@moxiemaxie3543 Because they happen one after another? And the reason he became a villain was that everyone around him always ignores him and treats him like shit, he clearly has a mental illness as well, so when the screens all changed to show him he felt like people finally noticed him. Then when they all changed to Spider-Man he thought he was being set up, and lashed out in anger. Still not a whole ass villain yet btw. That happens when he's being experimented on in Ravencroft. He makes the decision then and there that when he gets out he's gonna take revenge on everyone who ever fucked with him.

[@mandeepkumarray9050]

"you took his picture ," "So" "You know him" Wtf that was funny

[@moxiemaxie3543]

So that's how that works? Social Media logic? Got it 👍 🤪

[@spencerwhite6741]

"Oh you're a journalist? Name every person in the city"

[@mohamedfaroukelewa5905]

so basically you are saying this movie was treated like "the Suicide Squad" , and we would like the 10 hour version of it ... right ?

[@bbittercoffee]

YES. ABSOLUTELY Or you know Do the reasonable thing and make two more movies from it

[@IcePhysicsGaming]

I think he implied earlier in the essay that they should make cuts but not the small cuts that they made to every sub plot, instead, cut out one or two sub plots entirely so the remaining could be fully developed.

[@shaunjimbangan1166]

Sure

[@Showwave6]

or like Snyder's JL

[@sblinder1978]

Goddamnit don't give 2020 any ideas

[@bloodymares]

It's crazy knowing that they also cut the entire plot featuring Mary Jane, yet they left some of the less important Sinister Six teasers.

[@detectivejimmymcnulty1676]

Love or hate this movie, can’t deny the clock tower scene is powerful stuff. Definitely a top 5 moment in all Spider-Man movies

[@detectivejimmymcnulty1676]

@@deadbytacticsYT no it doesn’t.

[@mekhiingram85]

@@detectivejimmymcnulty1676 yes it does. deny and isn’t combined makes for a double negative. “can’t deny the scene is powerful stuff”

[@detectivejimmymcnulty1676]

@@mekhiingram85 you are correct, thank you lol.

[@Muksss]

This was also one of the reasons BvS did so badly, It was too busy setting up sequels that it forgot the movie they're making existed

[@andyrebelo]

Oh no no. Let's not go there. Yes it did set up sequels but it also told it's one main story.

[@Darkprosper]

Agreed, I actually enjoyed some of that movie but it was bloated. DC tried to rush its universe to counter Marvel's headstart... Bad strategy.

[@ayoutubechannel1413]

The Reason the DC Universe Failed Is Cause they Tried to Rush their Movies to be Like Marvel , Instead of setting up every Member of the Justice league through their own Movies and setting up the big bad JL villain , They Rushed it to JL Without Properly setting up cyborg and Flash and steppenwolf

[@Alnivol666]

*they're

[@kin-3877]

They spent all of 5 minutes setting up the sequels. That's why people didn't care about them. Bvs was a mess but not because of that.

[@flamingburitto]

Three things this movie got right 1. The opening spider man swinging sequence [It was so good that insomniac put it in their game] 2. The action scenes and visuals [The first electro fight when he goes Ka-boom and the ending fight] 3. The BG music. Hans Zimmer is a LEGEND. I personally listen to the movie's bg music till date from time to time just to hear it.

[@alexanderkilburg7415]

It was really funny, too. It moved away from the first one in plot consistency, realism, and being more of a personal story, but it was fun to watch, and it has a little bit of tragedy and guilt, too, to add complexity to the character instead of him just fighting people for 2 hours. Spiderman is a character with guilt, and this movie fully realized that in Gwen's death. Tobey movies teased consequences, but people always found out who he was and kidnapped MJ, and she was always fine.

[@alflemon2783]

What is bg music?

[@FNTM2k3]

Background music

[@chrissonofpear1384]

I really LOVED the soundtrack myself, and even the diegetic music worked well, and lyrics etc. Also, sound design in general, and the action climax, helped make up for a rather crammed and messy script (with some howlers, too)

[@sniperflashgaming3868]

@@chrissonofpear1384 the soundtrack is FIRE i listen to it all the time, along with the first movie occasionally and Man of Steel (also by Hans Zimmer). The visuals ARE INSANELY good too, hes my favorite Spiderman, I just wish his movies couldve been a tad bit better.

[@evgenkhersonets880]

Remember Black Cat was in this movie? Me neither.

[@cheesecake2449]

Wait fr?

[@BurningAzure]

I do. And it was the biggest waste of potential this side of Go Onizuka from Yu-Gi-Oh Vrains.

[@AXOLOTLKINQ]

When was Black Cat in the movie?

[@BurningAzure]

@@AXOLOTLKINQ Not Black Cat per se, but Felicia Hardy is in this movie

[@AXOLOTLKINQ]

@@BurningAzure ah wow I had no idea

[@aethrrl3144]

it really makes me sad that they crammed all this random stuff into one movie. If they split the sub-plots of peters parent, electro and harry into separate movies i reckon they all would've been good movies :(

[@sniperflashgaming3868]

Heck possibly couldve had more too

[@siddharth_0771]

They focused on his missing parents plot too much

[@GippyHappy]

Electro deserved better. He was so interesting and they treated him like an after thought.

[@ponrix]

No wonder Garfield left. He was frustrated about the way it was going.

[@romanlopez7939]

Sony actually let him go after he didn’t attend a public appearance. Or at least that’s what I heard.

[@sonnic1995]

@@romanlopez7939 Yes, according to the 2014 sony hack, the mails revealed he was supposed to attend to the announcement of the ASM 3, but he was ill or something, plus not really happy how the second movie turned out into a frankesntein mess... so after he didn't show up Sony decided to start talking to Marvel until they made the deal for Civil War.

[@sniperflashgaming3868]

@@sonnic1995 yeah...I honestly would've loved to see him in the MCU, not dissing Holland though.

[@shamlaAK]

@@sniperflashgaming3868 that would have been weird!

[@sniperflashgaming3868]

@@shamlaAK not really. We just wouldn't have who people call "Iron Boy Jr".

[@ASpooneyBard]

How about this for a revision of the Electro story: He's a loner nobody before he accidentally falls into the vat of eels (yes it's still dumb, but whatever), then suddenly he has super powers. Now he wants to help fight crime with Spiderman because "with great power comes great responsibility." His powers are too strong though, and he can't control them that well, and besides, Peter is too busy with his own problems to help him. He gets more frustrated until he turns on Spiderman, then Peter realizes that he created a villain... and Gwen dies. He considers hanging up the costume but understands that no one else can fix his own mistakes but him. Now there's more drama that personally relates to him. It's a little cliched, but it's something.

[@zad_rasera]

yeah, i like it. the electro subplot should have been its own movie.

[@anirudhgoud5035]

Also, Max likes Gwen. His inability to socialize and get women creates a frustration that leads him fanboy of Spiderman to holding a grudge against him, as Max notices Gwen likes Spiderman. This creates dramatic tension, ultimately leading to Gwen's death. More impactful when personal.

[@greyworld6242]

It’s bizarre that Gwen and Peter were having the conversation with him getting the new electric proof web shooters right in front of a police officer! Especially when Gwen shouted peter’s name like an idiot.

[@mra176]

On the bridge where they were kissing Peter told that he tried everything to prevent Web shooters from frying but failed and then she asks him did he try magntizing he says he didn't and then they go to police officer for jumper cables and copper wires to magnetize Web shooters.

[@ryanm.8720]

Though Gwen immediately realized her mistake when she blurted out “Peter!” instead of “Spider-Man!”.

[@nibor4323]

@@ryanm.8720 fun fact: the actress actually fucked it up and they decided to keep it because it was funny

[@owyemen9367]

@@nibor4323 who even cares anymore

[@khaledrehan822]

@@owyemen9367 no one asks for fun facts. That's what makes them fun...

[@QuietlyMagnetic]

“Where excess lies, usually someone had to give something up for the other to get it.” ― A.J. Darkholme This happened in this movie, which you perfectly articulate, great work! The scenes that should matter were sacrificed to make space for those that could have mattered, but didn't.

[@NMages20]

It's such a shame. I really liked Garfield as Spiderman. Not every day you can see an orange cat play a super hero

[@magicman7369]

I liked that there was no over the top reason he became spider-man again. I felt that he made the choice himself because he realized people looked up to and depended on him and that was reason enough to put his past behind and become spider-man once more.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

_"The hardest thing about this job is that you can't save everybody."_ *~ Spider-Ham* That explains accurately about the death of Gwen Stacy, which it's one of the saddest scene in superhero history.

[@neo_bellic]

Uncle Ben's death scene in first Sam Raimi Spiderman movie - Am I a joke to you?

[@possessorofgreatness7620]

@@neo_bellic we have more history of Gwen and Peter, they do had really good chemistry, Andrew nailed the scene of her dying too so it felt more strong to me than Sam raimi's uncle Ben scene but that doesnt make uncle Ben's scene any less painful though.

[@chinchilimohit2600]

he couldn't save the film

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

@@possessorofgreatness7620 Yeah. I think the death of Uncle Ben is the reason why Peter Parker became the hero we all know today.

[@Darkprosper]

How can you forget about the death of the dad in Man of St- Wait no, that one was stupid, carry on.

[@julienrolle4080]

"Why do i have a dog if it has never been established before?" Oh my god didnt expect that self awareness man i laughed way longer than i should have

[@bisexualichigo4227]

This movie had a lot of problems, sad that Gwen’s death is so emotional and great, but it can’t carry this movie for me. 💔

[@KirbyLinkACW]

Gwen's death was the straw that brike the camel's back in my eyes, as she was one of the best parts of the series.

[@oliviawilliams6204]

@@KirbyLinkACW yeah i love Emma Stone.

[@darkmyro]

honestly, I really feel like Gwen's death is a terrible part of the movie. Peter basically tells harry no, which sets off the events that cause him to become the green goblin, but the goblin doesn't really show up till the movie practically ends with the electro fight. So it feels stitched on. I feel like the movie would actually be better if we didn't have the harry plotline at all. That all this movie would do is set up their relationship at most for a later plotline where you could kill off Gwen. So, like the green goblin shows up, realizes spiderman is peter parker instantly cause ya know spiderman cant just happen to run into Gwen on a project she worked on, he grabs Gwen takes her to a clock tower, and then throws her in because he felt peter lied to him( which he kinda did). fight fight fight and then the goblin knocks himself out( cause peter cant have someone bothering him when he's trying to save Gwen) and Gwen falls to her death. All this is on top of another fight scene where peter kinda has to do the same exact thing. Then you have a third payoff with the kid in the spiderman costume after that with the rhino. I mean the kid subplot didn't need any emotional weight and I feel you could have dropped the ending of that. The whole green goblin plotline is just the setup and the payoff, there's no building to it so it feels kinda empty cause you dont have that build-up of tension in the middle. Like the whole harry plotline could have been its own movie and they could have built the sinister 6 into that movie, but they tried to do it all in one and the movie really suffers for it because it feels like this Frankensteins mess of two or three movies stiched together.

[@Himark89]

@@darkmyro 100% Agree, Gwen's Death was off-putting and doesn't suit the overall theme of the movie. I think when you have a character as great and you end them like that, you can't really hope for a sequel. Which how it actually ended up to be. If the theme would overall be darker then perhaps Gwen's death would be great, but it is just too sudden and random as nothing was building up to it. Like perhaps mention her fear of heights or something related to falling to bring more meaning to her end. Terrible movie, a shame had such an impact on actors careers

[@darkmyro]

@@Himark89 I didn't really like her and peters' relationship. I didn't even like peter in the amazing spider-man movies. Like 1st of all the fact that peter just said "screw the dead guy I'm gonna date his daughter after he specifically told me not to," was super bad. It feels like it spits in the whole "with great power..." thing that is a corner stone to the whole spidey identity. Secondly, they did this whisper flirting thing the whole time and I just didn't feel chemistry at all. Third, The whole relationship feels hollow to me, like all it is is infatuation and not love. They like and flirt with each other, but they dont have any compatibility. like you have two movies of these people being together, but besides science what do they have in common? So it makes what should be a powerful scene less powerful because instead of " omg peter just lost the love of his life," it becomes "Omg, peter failed to save his maybe girlfriend" its a small thing, but it deflates some tension in the scene, same thing with the goblin stuff. I know this seems nitpicky, but it's one of those "death from a thousand cuts" situations. One or two problems wouldn't have hurt it, but you throw in a bunch and it ruins the movie.

[@varuntyagi6116]

They should've really kept "Peter meeting his dad in the end" sequence.

[@morgancarter5788]

I thought he died on the plane though?

[@varuntyagi6116]

@@morgancarter5788 that's what the creators decided to go with. In the original script his dad survived the plane crash. Check out this deleted scene kzbin.info/www/bejne/oojJqaugmc2Uq7M

[@morgancarter5788]

@@varuntyagi6116 thank you 🙏

[@khoile9807]

That deleted scene was ridiculous, why would a guy like that, hiding for decades, not coming when his son faced monster lizards and just newly acquired powers come out now? The guy needed hope, but not from a deadbeat dad who failed at protecting his wife and his son. And the hope scene is delivered by Gwen Stacy graduation message so it's not necessary to put an entire scene repeating that same message.

[@JediJuniper92]

Sounds like there needs to be a fully uncut, extended edition of this film. Will likely still be super messy, but at least we get to have all the scenes from the trailers that ignited our interest in the first place and get to have all the storylines actually play out.

[@eoghanlacey6384]

I say it’d make it work better tbh, they extended Batman v superman and made that a way better film

[@LKYHGaming]

The Webb cut lol

[@FGj-xj7rd]

It had similar flaws like Spiderman 3, but didn't have its charm.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

It had the same too many plotlines problem but it's WAY worse.

[@ArchyPoppy]

@@Gadget-Walkmen i hope they dont do that mistake again for the 3rd time in sm3, let it be a single spidey movie. Put that spider-verse shit aside i know everyone want to see 3 of them together, me too but movie will suck if they do that. They gotta focus on the little spidey and put that multiverse thing for idk aftercredits if you really want to see it

[@joshpart3319]

I think the difference is that SM3 never took itself too seriously, it just tried to be the "biggest but still corny, over the top film out of the three", while ASM2 was always meant to be "the biggest, most epic SpiderMan film ever"

[@hottrin6103]

It did

[@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012]

Spiderman 3 have the best quotes

[@SpecialAgentBillMaxwell]

The pictures on the wall with red string is the stupidest Hollywood trope of them all. NOBODY does this, ever.

[@michaelstrong5383]

Even the song played during that scene feels out of place. Peter is supposed to be investigating, and the soundtrack just plays it like it's a romantic comedy.

[@guyonbench]

Bu-but he put a big question mark next to it!

[@KingHeggunte]

**hastily takes down red strings tracing who keeps stealing my newspaper** Yup, uh no one does this at all. It’s such a cliche.

[@androssteague]

I've done it, but on poster boards. It actually helps me see what I'm doing when I'm writing a draft for a story or a project. I have focusing problems. But yes most normal people don't do this.

[@francreeps4509]

I do that, but on a corkboard and not straight on my wall. I use masking tape and not the fancy red tape.

[@movieblocks9164]

That thing was a guy that Spider-Man webbed up to the building. He was hanging from the building by his feet

[@shadowstrike234]

Source?

[@movieblocks9164]

@@shadowstrike234 its obvious.

[@jackfrenchpresents]

@@movieblocks9164 a snack Spiderman is saving for later

[@theballzeateralternativeac3668]

@@jackfrenchpresents cannibal nah man he is a spider

[@sniperflashgaming3868]

@@jackfrenchpresents 😭😭😭NOOOOOO

[@tyrannosaurusrex4600]

This is why kids you never force Sam Raimi to do something that he dont want THOSE are consequences

[@thatoneguychad420]

What didn't he want to do?

[@milesmorales-intothespider9861]

@@thatoneguychad420 Remember Spider-Man 3? Well, there were some issues behind the scenes, apparently. For one, Sam originally wanted to have Vulture as one of the villains. But Avi Arad pushed him to add in Venom, and that led to the issue that also happened with this movie. “Too many villains in one movie”.

[@thatoneguychad420]

@@milesmorales-intothespider9861 oooooh fair enough.

[@TheDrexLord]

I actually unironicly like this movie. Peters and Gwen romac is great. The web swing is great. The suit is great. The villains are so bad there good. I just love it all

[@bakedbeans5494]

Love-blinded fanboy.

[@TheDrexLord]

@@bakedbeans5494 actually I just think it not the worst move ever made and enjoy it in the same way as batman and Robin. It's stupid but enjoyable. People act like this movie killed their grandma and robbed a bank when there are much worse movis

[@bakedbeans5494]

@@TheDrexLord You have flawed logic. You can't like a movie just because it's not the worst movie of all time. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 isn't some slapstick cartoon comedy. Lay off the drugs.

[@TheDrexLord]

@@bakedbeans5494 no but you can like a movie because is laughingly stupid

[@GippyHappy]

I think it helps when you dont have any expectations. I thought i'd hate it, but instead I just thought it was okay.

[@jesusangulo2119]

That deleted scene with Peter and his dad honestly would have been the only great emotional scene in the entire movie.

[@fredriddles1763]

Ikr? Learning it existed was enough to make me go "oh damn!"

[@Senator_Squires]

@Maxus Devasteitor better that way. Would have taken away the surprise if we see him survive the plane crash.

[@Senator_Squires]

@Maxus Devasteitor better that way. Would have taken away the surprise if we see him survive the plane crash.

[@bhuvanraj9276]

Okay now I'm just furious at the studio executives at the time to make such a crappy decision of removing probably the only redeemable scene of the final act that would have left a better taste in the audience's mind😤😤😤

[@lonestarr1490]

@Maxus Devasteitor Fair point (and maybe the reason why they cut it off).

[@akhonankosi4704]

I was sad this movie sucked when I was a kid I loved the first one the second one left me confused,sad, and dissapointed

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Speaking of sad, you can tell that to the death of Gwen Stacy.

[@rishabhbhatnagar9632]

Same. I like the 1st one but 2nd one was just garbage.

[@akhonankosi4704]

The Ultimate villain of this franshice was Avi Arad

[@akhonankosi4704]

@Arvin Borkar I remember an interview about that with Raimi

[@pwerplazlol725]

100% agreed, the first one was such a big part of my childhood and I loved it so much the sequel being so bad that it cancelled the third sequel just makes me so sad ;(

[@Jose-se9pu]

Meanwhile, at Hollywood: "lets bring Foxx's Electro back" Anyway, google the advice Kevin Feige sent to his friends at Sony before the movie was released, he NAILED all the problems it had...of course, they didnt listen.

[@AveryHyena]

"You took his picture. You know him" is the equivalent of when someone in TTT randomly accuses someone of being a traitor with no evidence, then RDMing them and it just happens that they were actually a traitor and the RDMer was lucky.

[@anna-flora999]

Not if you consider that Peter is the only photographer in the world who ever gets pictures that good of spiderman, which he does consistently, every fight, from completely impossible angles.

[@AveryHyena]

@@anna-flora999 That's not what he said though. He said "You took his picture. You know him", not "You get consistently good shots of him so you must know each other and have a deal or something"

[@YouCantDeleteDenzelL]

The trailer footage thing happened with the first movie too. The initial teaser for TASM1 had a line that went something like "Do you really think what happened to you was an accident, Peter?" And the fans hated the implication that he was Spider Man on purpose, so they went out of their way to re edit the movie substantially to correct that. The irony being THEY STILL IMPLY THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BECOME SPIDER MAN IN THIS ONE.

[@KuroRyoka]

how the hell did it take for someone to callout 0:09. its been 6 years and this is the first time am seeing that or hear anybody point it out. Damn Filmento those sherlock holmes eyes really discombobulated this film

[@knights1222]

I saw theories about it possibly being venom back in like 2013/2014 whenever the trailer came out. But I've never heard any updates on what that actually was!

[@KuroRyoka]

@@knights1222 this is the first time i have seen/heard about it

[@benderbendingrodriguez420]

Ik like wtf is that?

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

some kind equipment swing maybe,

[@iliveinsideyourhouse3943]

Bruh, people already been talking about this back when the movie came out.

[@metalbudsgaming8371]

I've always hated the "You take pictures of spiderman so you must know him!" spiderman villain trope. its such a lazy leap in logic. So does he know everyone he photographs for the bugle?

[@lickmyloafbruh]

@DJHart that still doesn’t make sense...

[@kevinnigins9488]

@@lickmyloafbruh it does actually when you considering the fact that only PETER OUT OF EVERYONE gets pictures of him

[@Rexwizord]

@@kevinnigins9488 not to mention he'll take the picture from the fiftieth floor of a skyscraper of spiderman flying past.. Not suspicious at all

[@iambuhlockay8007]

Maybe not, but it’s a lead someone could follow up on and possibly get information.

[@MetalizedButt]

@@kevinnigins9488 Exactly lmao, Peter is the only one with close up HD shots of Spider-Man posing, of course he knows him. Oh, and he even mentions his relationship with Spider-Man in the comics and movies several times. It’s not rocket science.

[@zachhall9648]

easy fix: Harry's life isn't in danger, only his father's. Peter doesn't trust Norman because the twist is revealed in the scene before to be that his parents were taken out by Oscorp henchmen hopped up on a imperfect formula. Richard Parker injects himself with the true spider-blood stuff and fights them off, but ultimately dies.

[@bigcoffinhunter5500]

4:35 Man I absolutely love the editing here. It could have been polished a little better but the message it conveys in visuals alone is superb. Great video.

[@billcipher1756]

"you took his picture, you know him" spiderman is literally everywhere in new york saving people, getting a picture of him is not very difficult since he travels out in the open. so thats like saying "a bank was being robbed and you took a picture of it, that must mean you were in on the robbery"

[@timsonss]

At this point Sony should make a comeback for Sam Raimi's trilogy with Spider-Man 4 where the main villain is going to be Avi Arad.

[@michaelsarmiento3057]

Not only that, they should make the Sam Raimi's Spiderman series to be the Cinematic Universe intead of the The Amazing Spiderman reboot.

[@Wulfenburg]

I thought the amazing spider man movies could be really cool, the issue is exactly what you've laid out. To me it felt like there was so much laid out, then by the time the ending rolled around it was like "Was that it?" If you're going to lay all that out, then you better put effort into everything lol.

[@shyowl3453]

Personally I think where that issue comes from is that studios want to get to their “endgame” style massive money making movies so they try to skip over the individual building block movies “iron man, dr strange etc” so you never get the back story of the heroes or villains and it’s super shallow, the funny thing is if studios slowed down and got 1 storyline right and built off of that slowly, not only would they make more money on the big coming together movie but the individual movies would make more money so over time you make far more than cramming it all into a movie or two trying to shortcut to the big payoff

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

When the writing credits included Orci & Kurtzman, I knew it would suck.

[@BrotherTheory]

Same :) Did you know they had 4 different editors for the first movie? :) Btw, I don't want to do self promoting, but I make theories (about game and movies) and I am about to reach 200 subscribers :) I make theories about suggested game and movies :) I would mean the world to me if you subscribed to the channel :) Thanks :)

[@ImGonnaLiveByMyRules]

I love that you decided to explain Gwen’s death as “having an impact”. Great word choice lmao

[@jivonne1991]

I honestly thought that Harry was going to use Peter’s friendship to get to Peter’s dad’s research. And then there’d be this whole “omg I thought we were friends, you totally used me” sort of thing happen between them. I was kinda bummed when that didn’t happen. And it’s been a while since I’ve seen the movie. But why didn’t Peter give Harry his blood? What did he think would happen if he did? Was it cuz he was scared he’d find out his identity, but if they’re friends couldn’t he like have him promise not to tell anyone. Then he’d have Harry as an ally and seeing as he’s filthy rich that’s a pretty powerful person backing Spider-Man up…

[@theserpent8667]

Would be an interesting, different and compelling idea. As to why he never gave his blood, that was BS. Harry is, as you said, loaded, so he could have a team of scientists work on a cure by running tests on Spider-Man's blood to make it compatible with Harry's.

[@JazzTheLass]

about the blood thing, i think peter was scared that either: a) their blood would be incompatible b) it would kill harry c) it would turn harry into a monster

[@codyg2779]

That black thing is a camera on a pulley to get shots in-between the buildings. They probably forgot to edit it out.

[@michaelstrong5383]

This film made me reconsider my thoughts on Spider-Man 3. That is no longer the worst film about the web swinger.

[@frank8917]

Spider dance, turutuuuuu tutururururururutu ping ping

[@p.h.i.lcongure9168]

Spider-Man 3 actually has a lot of good qualities

[@michaelstrong5383]

@@frank8917 To quote Into the Spider-Verse: "We don't really talk about that."

[@michaelstrong5383]

@@p.h.i.lcongure9168 The more I watch it, the more forgiving I am of that movie. Can't say the same for Amazing Spider-Man 2.

[@frank8917]

At least it has a “decent” young goblin

[@CaptainShepard09]

Why it failed, it’s simple you can put it in 2 words: A V I A R A D

[@judgelee5741]

That asshole should've gotten fired AGES ago.

[@Yorcont]

are you sure? does that mean that Venom 2, Morbius, Uncharted and spiderman into the spiderverse 2 are going to suck?

[@rebeccagibson7428]

@@Yorcont Spiderverse is probably safe, the rest have a chance of being real bad.

[@alexanderkilburg7415]

@VOLD GAMER That's from the second one.

[@wallywest4727]

@@alexanderkilburg7415 No its the first one.

[@goldtea1017]

Actually, Norman Osborn was mentioned in Tasm 1 Movie, Iffran Khan said "he doesn't have time, Norman Osborn is dying Doctor Conners, Save him or we both lose our heads." and later in Tasm 2, Harry went to a private school to somewhere idk that's why harry just suddenly appeared. and i think there was supposed to be a flashback of Peter and Harry playing chess after his parent’s funeral but sadly have no footage or script for it.

[@whosaidthat84]

But again, that's just told and not shown. Because of that it was almost completely forgotten.

[@drsipp407]

The transition into the ad was absolutely perfect. I kinda saw it coming, but the whole time I was thinking “man I really want to see how this turns into an ad read”. Subbed

[@SilentCartagrapher]

Whenever you do a sponsorship, I feel the urge to skip because of obvious reasons. However, you make them so damn entertaining that I watch it anyway.

[@IcePhysicsGaming]

Well, Peter doesn't become Spider-man again randomly, he's inspired by Aunt May's speech about moving on

[@BrotherTheory]

True, IcePhysics :) Actually true :) Btw, I don't want to do self promoting, but I make theories (about game and movies) and I am about to reach 200 subscribers :) I make theories about suggested game and movies :) I would mean the world to me if you subscribed to the channel :) Thanks :)

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

It kinda seems like the whole thing about Peter's parents was a "tumor plot", getting in the way of the story the movie wanted to tell

[@nia-tl7wp]

I definitely agree with the randomness of scenes. I rewatched the eel and Harry arriving moments because I thought I missed something and was confused about what was happening-especially with the eels. There is a single line uttered by an automated voice about how they are harnessing the electricity from them to power the city or something but we've never seen them before or after (also why would there be an automated voice talking about the eels like you would hear in a museum tour?) And it makes no sense that electro keeps saying he built the city's power system and he gets zero respect at work and no one knows who he is? Is an engineer or a maintenance person? Who is that dude that makes him stay late? His boss? Coworker? Nothing is established. Same with Harry and I find it annoying that every plot point revolves around Oscorp. But I will admit there are some parts I really enjoyed and aside from having to make too many jokes, I really liked Andrew Garfield in this role.

[@abhishekvaru]

I start feeling so gooooood and soooo informed whenever I watch *your* Analysis !! I *Thank you* from the bottom of my Heart, Liver, Pancreas, etc. etc. etc. 🙏

[@rbruch98]

Im not even gonna lie - the Surfshark promo was so creative, original and organic, I might just do the thing.... Well done, sir!

[@lucasbrito3909]

Isn' t the problem of "too much" the same problem with spider-man 3 with tobey maguire?

[@krampusklaws2238]

And Justice League's movies, and pretty much every sequel ever. They always what more villains in a movie, when one villain could have enough of a threat on their own, if done right. So too much story is wasted in establishing more and more sub plots and you end up with a villain introduced and defeated in like 20 minutes total screen time.

[@technikleo3797]

Exactly. That's why Sony(Avi Arad) is idiot: Spider-man 3 is almost a guideline on the things you shouldn't do to have a good Spider-man movie, but at least it's still coherent in tone to the precedent and it's hilarious (SM3 Venom is for me the most hilarious superhero movie villain of all time) and it has some good moments.

[@krampusklaws2238]

@@technikleo3797 Spider-Man 3 would have been a much better movie if they just kept it to Venom plot with the Green Goblin a a secondary enemy. Since the GG story was already established, and the conflict between Peter and Harry was also well established. It would fit and be a natural villain for Peter to fight while in the Venom suit. Add the conflict of Venom wanting to kill Harry, leading to Peter separating from the sybiote, it finding Brock and them becoming Venom. At this point GG should be defeated and out of the picture, leaving Venom to be the big threat, since he can evade the Spidey Sense, it makes him a much more dangerous threat to Peter. Hopefully Sony will stop the charade of this Venom crap they have made and are trying to continue, end the agreement with Marvel, since they are done now anyway, just trying to cling onto the franchise cause Disney bought it too late in the franchise, and make a true Venom movie.

[@joshpart3319]

yes and no. In the OG SpiderMan 3 it was just "too much stuff happening"; here it's "too much important stuff happening withouth proper time to develop any of it"

[@krampusklaws2238]

@@joshpart3319 "too much important stuff happening without proper time to develop any of it" is the problem with "too much stuff happening." just in more words. Every part of the story has importance to it, but like with this movie, too much leads to poor development of everything. As mentioned in the video, half the stuff in this movie was not important to the plot in the slightest and just stole time from what was. Same happened in Spiderman 3. Many thing could have been cut from both movies and the films would have been much better off for it.

[@xdragon2k]

I haven't watched this movie yet (at least I don't think I have) but as you described the things that is happening in the movie, I have a feeling of dejavu. It's like I have already watched it. Like the parents in the plane, Osborne asking for the blood, the vision of Gwen's dead dad, but I have no recollection of the rest. I didn't even know Gwen died. Very strange.

[@CoolGuy-te1pt]

A general rule of thumb I like to use for assessing subplots, is that by the end of the film/story, they should’ve either effected the ending, or the characters in some way.

[@lpfan4491]

The Amazing Spider-Man in a nutshell is basically "good ideas, executed poorly." It really reaches its peak with the third movie that was never made. Story is about peter trying to resurrect the dead by use of the regenerative spiderpowers or sth. What a competent guy would do:A more quiet movie about him accepting that what is done is done. What they actually planned:Green goo monster mutations. I honestly have the feeling that they had no plans for this filmseries(Especially considering the fucked contentpacing of the second movie as explored in this video)and that pains me because I really like it actually. Not as much as the prior trilogy, but it was still decent overall interms of enjoyment.

[@sonnic1995]

you don't need to necesarely prepare a shared universe or have a big scheme plan for a trilogy, the only thing that goes over the 3 Raimi film is that Peter likes MJ, and that Harry gets bitter over Norman's death, and in the third one it proved to be stupid, not only the way they resolve (the butler finally spills out) but Harry realices Norman was bad, something Peter could have tell him, or literally anything "i found him dead on a street", you need to make a coherent movie, then another coherent movie... sure it's nice to set something up, but you don't need to spend too much time on that kind of stuff, for example as mentioned here, harry shows up from nowhere, they could have set him up on the first one, mention he's on a trip or whatever, or as also said here, have the childhood flashback, you don't need (ironically) the crazy theorist map with red lines all over it. And the only plan sony had was to make more movies, nothing in terms of a story (other than Peter parents conspiracy)

[@lpfan4491]

@@sonnic1995 The problem is that one just puts random nonsense on screen if there are literally 0 plans before production. Amazing Spiderman2 and 3 are not coherent movies. Raimi Spiderman3 has similar issues, but I would still argue it does it less bad.

[@cbmjoe06]

Yeah they had literally everything on their hands man. Good Swinging Nice atmosphere Dark Tone which matches spiderman Good love interest Good CGI Good VFX They had everything but chose to ruin it with too many things like his parents for example... *sigh*

[@Oonagh72]

You know what is interesting? It is interesting that when you start talking about each individual strand I get into it, then nothing. They had 5 good movies to be made. Yet they just crammed them all into this one for some bizarre reason.

[@dakat5131]

It's like the people making these movies want to unsubtly spawn a bunch of threads for future movies- but then forget to even plan for a future movie to use them, and forget to balance the first movie in a way that makes you want to see more. Just throwing in a bunch of plots and then only half-heartedly finishing them just makes a chaotic movie that goes nowhere. (inevitably, the film it's dependent on that hasn't been made yet, gets cancelled because the first movie did poorly)

[@MikeTall88]

It abandoned them to make a juicy trailer that got people into the theatre.

[@brunohenrik8025]

7:50 best Surf-Shark-VPN advertising ever

[@michaelk4113]

Thank you so much for this breakdown. There actually were a lot of things I liked about ASM2, but everyone kept saying how much it sucked. I knew something was off, but it didn't really crystallize in my mind until this video. You helped me see in a logical, concrete way why this movie doesn't work (even though there are still bits that I love). Keep up the great work, man!

[@filmreviewer117]

Haven't seen this movie in years and really thought the points you made about the end battle really did happen.

[@bbittercoffee]

They should've focused on electro's + gwen plot Him discovering his parent's stuff should've been left to the end (his aunt should reveal his parent's past after gwen's funeral), and the intro to the next movie along with every other plotline (the russian's plutonium and harry's sickness or whatever)

[@SidneyJupiter]

Before I watch the video, i was thinking about this the other day actually, and I concluded that Harry Osborne was completely pointless and unneeded

[@snowrexilium]

TASM 2's problem is basically the same with Raimi's Spider-Man 3: too much things crammed into one movie.

[@ItzEpoxy]

More like your brain isn't capable of understanding that much things

[@reven06]

@@ItzEpoxy lmao ikr. Too many villains for you?

[@ItzEpoxy]

@@reven06 bruh

[@sudeshnamukhopadhyay5214]

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[@ItzEpoxy]

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[@mikatu]

What I know is that everytime they start a new series of Spider-Man movies they kill what we know about Spider-Man a little bit. The best one was with Tobey. That was quite faithful to the comics. Then we had this spider-man which was quite bad. The whole plot was outside the canon. And finally we have a new spider-man that is more Iron Man than Spider-Man. In fact, I watched the last two movies considering I was looking at a new hero, and now Spidey. A teenager, traveling outside NY, with suit that are more and more technological..... I mean, that is completely outside what Spider-Man is.

[@ParzivalTheThird]

7:08 That’s wrong. The entire villain plot-line of the last film revolved around failed attempts to cure Norman Osborn.

[@BirdFungus]

This thing is like the storyline kids make up with their Spider-Man Toys

[@badenfitzmaurice9013]

I always assumed a lot of the lack of resolution would have been planned into and resolved in a third film to make the pay off huge and that's where we really get to see Peter/Spiderman grow. But then it went and got cancelled.

[@josephbassey1501]

The worse thing you could ever do is Make a movie who's sole purpose is to advertise or bait you to watching the incoming sequel after it without the current movie offering you enough satisfaction

[@ramonzeiro]

Who is and where I can find this "what... wtf" guy video? I crack all the time

[@MrlspPrt]

Fullmetal Jacket, search for that cult movie. Personally I didn't like it too much, but isn't a bad movie.

[@evgenkhersonets880]

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[@ramonzeiro]

Wow guys thx i guess, but I meant the guy at 0:39

[@confusincat]

JonTron

[@horseradishpower9947]

@@confusincat This is the answer. JonTron.

[@stannisthemannis8694]

Norman was set up as being ill in the first wasn't he? That's why he funded Conners work for curing diseases

[@sephandremanticore5438]

What's funniest is that apparently the studio didn't get the memo that people apparently go crazy over longer movies. If they hadn't trimmed everything out, this probably could have been the most epic Spider-Man ever. Or instead they could have resolved to stave off the Parkers and Osbournes conflicts until movie #3... which probably could have been made because #2 probably wouln't have flopped and thus Andi G likely would have been the canon MCU Spidey 'cause Sony still wanted that sweet MCU money.

[@GoFidoGo]

8:29 Krakozhia is the home country of Tom Hanks in "the Terminal" (2004). Filmento bamboozled me 💀

[@kristyw89]

Damnit I spent so much time googling, I didn't know how it was spelled. I thought I miss heard Krakovian as in Krakow Poland. I was like "hmm I didn't expect that..."

[@MatthiasPowerbomb]

I would say a director's cut that takes the necessary time to flesh out all these elements (assuming any of that was filmed) would be interesting to see. But the movie in its current form is already 2 hours and 20 minutes long. A director's cut that successfully fleshes all this out would probably be in the neighborhood of 3 hours. I'm not opposed to 3 hour movies - Lord of the Rings are among my all-time favorite movies - I'm just not sure this movie could support a 3-hour runtime. Establishing the central characters and setting up the plot was something that 80s movies tended to do really well, and often very efficiently to boot. This is something that seems to have been all but lost today. Just compare and contrast Ghostbusters and the 2016 abomination for proof of that. I think it was also a case of their eyes being bigger than their stomach, so to speak. They bit off more than they could chew plotwise, which is why this movie feels so jam packed with stuff, but a lot of it seems to either go nowhere, or resolves unsatisfactorily. I like ambitious movies as much as anyone, but I think they would've been better served to give the script another pass, trim out all the excess and save it for what would've been The Amazing Spider-Man 3. Something to keep in mind, though, is that a lot of this was mandated by Sony execs. Just like Warner Bros/DC, desperate to build their own cinematic universe to compete with Marvel, mandated that Zack Snyder's Man of Steel sequel incorporate Batman, leading to a somewhat overstuffed Batman v Superman, Sony was desperate to build the Amazing Spider-Man franchise out into a cinematic universe, which led to Amazing Spider-Man 2 having to do a lot of heavy lifting that it shouldn't have in order to establish it. If AS2 had been allowed to just be a movie about Spider-Man vs Harry, or Spider-Man vs Electro, without having to establish OsCorp and the Sinister Six, and juggle two main villains, and explore the mystery of Peter's parents, and so on, it might have been a much better film.

[@GippyHappy]

I think they could just cut down the gwen on off romance stuff, some of the stuff with aunt may, and trim down the emphasis on the green goblin and they could probably squeeze it all in the under 3 hours. Like we don't need a long scene of Electro talking to the random german doctor. Just show the prison once Harry shows up to break him out. Its not like it goes anywhere. I thought they were building to electro escaping on his own.

[@romanlopez7939]

I’m a huge Spider-Man fan. I’ve fallen in love with the character since the first Sam Raimi movie, and I learned all I could about the character and loved him even more. And whenever new Spider-Man stuff came out I would automatically think it was amazing, and awesome, and the best thing ever. I just blindly loved everything Spider-Man. Then I watched Spider-Man 3. Oh boy. It didn’t ruin the character for me, but I do remember feeling disappointed once it ended. I thought it tried too hard to pull off a lot of ideas in a short amount of time. And those ideas had the potential to be great. But it didn’t stop me from loving Spider-Man. Then I heard there was gonna be a reboot and I saw the trailers for it and I was hyped, I was excited to see more Spider-Man. And when I saw The Amazing Spider-Man, I was convinced it was a great movie, and that there were no problems with it. But I was just blinded by my love for the character. As time went on and I saw it some more times, it wasn’t as great as I remembered, and some flaws started to show. It’s not a bad movie, it just kinda gets the job done. I didn’t like the new suit at first but it’s grown on me. I definitely loved the fact that they showed him make it and that it looked like something a high schooler could make. And then the second movie came out. And I was so excited, it looked like it had the potential to actually be amazing, like actually really really good. And it’s been the first and only movie so far to leave me with a bad taste in my mouth once it ended. For both the movies, Sony put the final scene of the movie in the trailer. The amazing Spider-Man 2 had a couple of good scenes, the cgi was pretty good (except for electro in the final fight, his face looks like it’s from a video game), and I liked that Spider-Man seemed to be more jokey like in the comics. But I didn’t like that it was at the expense of saving people. He stops to tell jokes instead of telling jokes while doing the hero stuff at the same time. I think his suit is okay, not bad. I think it’s kinda overhyped in my opinion. Idk, it just doesn’t do anything new for me, it just looks like tobey maguires suit but younger. I’ve never personally been a fan of the raised webbing. But I guess if I had to choose, it probably is the better looking live action suit, but only marginally. It would be Tobeys suit if the colors were brighter. The main thing working against this movie series was Sony focusing too much on future movies and spin offs and setting up stuff for that instead of making sure these movies were even good enough to continue. I think was just way too confident in their belief that just because the movie had “Spider-Man” in the title, that they’d make a butt load of money. And then TASM2 ended up being the lowest profitable Spider-Man movie for them. I just want them to do better.

[@minecraftgravityguy]

It was exactly too much studio interference that ruined this movie and Spider-man 3. Have you learned nothing from these videos?

[@AllenReviews]

That sponsorship transition was the best I’ve ever seen

[@HerrDeutschBlood]

The problem I had with this movie was that it was obvious that the studio wanted so badly to build a franchise from this movie that they sort of forgot to tell a coherent story. Same could be said about the The Mummy from the short lived Dark Universe films. That plane crashed before it had a chance to take off.