X-Men Origins Wolverine - The Curse of Three Movies | Anatomy Of A Failure

[@akanji8285]

The opening sequence with Logan and victor going through all the wars together was such an awesome idea... I wish they woulda just made a movie about that instead

[@verlinswarey507]

I loved that!

[@derekjohnstone4888]

The opening to the movie was actually the story of the original comic. Beginning with his birth and focusing on his earlier life, through to the circumstances that led him to becoming 'The Wolverine'.

[@mrunseen3797]

Exactly my thoughts, when I watched that movie

[@DeepEye1994]

The movie should've been that, and then the Weapon X procedure (which please make it look more faithful to how X-Men 2 made it look like) should have been the ending scene.

[@mickeyconnor830]

@Tangential_Tangine I wish you the best of luck, friend!

[@ninjaelectivire1118]

“His brain may heal but his memories won’t grow back” is actually technically true. Memories are made up of pathways that can’t just be regrown if your brain is damaged

[@thunderspark1536]

Kinda a shame that the most realistic thing about the movie is the most laughed at ..

[@Paztacos]

​@@thunderspark1536 it's still not realistic since he should have been unable to remember how you speak or do most basic things yet he can still do all the normal things but just somehow lost all memories of his life.

[@chrisb.2028]

@@Paztacos The line is true, the representation in the movie is not, however you're not entirely right either, amnesia work differently from case to case, sometimes you forget recent or superficial memories, sometimes you forget a lot of stuff, including a sense of yourself, but forgetting how to write or speak is rather difficult, since those are not exactly memories, muscles memory is what's used in day to day redundat activities like dressing, those don't require much thinking thus no need remember how to do it, there's no need to remember mundane task unless you need a more detailed process to do complex tasks where memory is vital to complete, like building a bomb, you can actually forget some words tho, since not all uncommon words you've learned over time, are well engraved in your brain like the most commonly used, it would be hard for you to not remember how to talk at a basic level, mostly because speaking kind of becomes a mechanical and intellectual task rather that pulling out an obscure memory of your childhood.

[@Paztacos]

@@chrisb.2028 he got shot in the head. If you look at any dementia patient then you will see why memory is important to the ability to do even basic things. Unlike dementia patients wolverine would be able to relearn basic skills since he has a fully working brain but till then he shouldn't be able to walk or talk.

[@selonianth]

I would argue against this actually. At least... in Logan's case. He's been in warzones for... a very long time, he's been shot... a LOT and attempted execution by firing squad at LEAST once, he's probably been hit by cannons or artillery nigh directly and certainly has been unlucky enough to get hit in the head a few times during that period. None of that did jack diddly to his memory, but one adamantium round, necessary to even get through his skull at this point, wipes... his entire fucking life?

[@munchmandrifta]

I won a radio competition with the prize being 2 free tickets to go see this movie. As me and my friend left the cinema after seeign this abomination, we joked that we wanted our money back. The Usher heard us and told us to wait and a coupla minutes later he came back with two free tickets to see any movie. Wallis Cinemas at Picadilly (Adelaide) is a legendary cinema.

[@duckyjoel5373]

nice. what'd you guys watch afterwards

[@munchmandrifta]

@@duckyjoel5373 I can't remember actually, I was just thinking today and asked my friend but he couldn't remember either...

[@Neccklong]

@@munchmandrifta totally happened

[@OHaraekul]

you're from south Australia as well? Piccadilly is great.

Boss move on their part.

[@porrasm]

The sad thing is this had potential. The first war compilation scene is incredible, sadly that is the opening credits scene. If they followed that story more closely it could have been a great movie.

[@smooveayy]

True, the movie had no need for a love interest

[@siddiqsmouse5004]

Plus it would have been way more origin-y

[@jturner2577]

It really could have been. The Revenge could have been woven in as well.

[@Brandon-br7tc]

Maybe they could’ve developed the love interest part more. And made this mostly about the revenge story as well as an origin story.

[@jaythehulkmoeller6648]

And we would have gotten "x-men origins: magneto".

[@aadithyanjr1382]

To be honest, if the movie began with Logan capturing those mutants and then he realises his mistakes and ultimately helps to escape them would have been a more consistent narrative.

[@Marveryn]

take that a step further. start with gambit escaping and logan being part of the security hunting him down and a few fellow mutant that they do capture. Have Sabretooth kill one of the escapy and have logan piss about that and they nearly come to blows. Later have Stryker call logan to his office where sabertooth tranc h im and they do the hold experiment on him. including the cyberwear that screw up his memory. .. hmm scratch starting with the mutant escaping thinking better of it. Start with Stryker son killing his wife and him finding about it. show not tell. Save for the escape after they start the experiment on wolverine as he and gambit and a few other are part of the escape. As he escape you get flash back on his memories and some false memories. You explain earlier prior to the escape that Stryker implanted memories in his to make it easier for him to control. So while he escaping he not sure what are his true memories and what are the false and neither does the audience. Climax Gambit find him wanting to return to the island to free the rest, he refuses before sabertooth show up with the rest of the hit squad. They go to the island to save the rest. keep the image of the teacher in his mind flashing back some good scene like spending time in a cabin so on. So he think he rescuing her. She is a false memory .

[@ruppelspoopels]

There were NO writers, it's a miracle the movie even has a plot.

[@jturner2577]

That would have gave him freeing the captured mutants real weight

[@justino9042]

The narrative saids that logan didn't want to kill innocent people but villians indeed he would

[@Oceanblue_Art_]

Hollywood seems to think that "sexy woman + affection for the protagonist" is all you need for the audience to care about a love interest.

[@NarwahlGaming]

All Hollywood relationships are superficial - actor to actress, actress to director, etc - so, it's all they know.

[@lowlowseesee]

ahahaha men

[@simplebidnessman]

Good things about this movie 1: The Music 2. Hugh Jackman 3. Liev Schreiber(however you spell it) 4. The Opening 5. The tie-in video game(better than the actual movie) 6. Paved the way for Ryan Reynolds Deadpool movie That’s about it Edit: damn 1.3k likes? Never had this many ever lol. KZbin didn’t even tell me either.

[@SeMetin]

And the game based on it

[@khosrowzare8301]

@@SeMetin That game had the honor of being the only game based on a movie which was better than the movie itself.

[@GREYFLWRMUSIC]

Harry Gregson-Williams rarely disappoints

[@t4rv0r60]

yeah the Wolverine/Sabertooth movie is what we should've gotten. that was the most interesting part.

[@simplebidnessman]

@@SeMetin fixed it

[@Ifslayanct]

They also ruined Gambit. One of the coolest dudes in X-Men

[@general_kenobi9895]

Gambit is in this?

[@friedkatanasticks]

@@general_kenobi9895 He’s the guy that Wolverine apporaches at the poker table

[@RollingDodge]

@giftofgab247 , agree, actually why give control to non-fans or people that may even *hate* what they are working on? IDK, why if I dislike or want to change something, why work on it in the at all, the most recent example I can think of is New Mutants.

[@purplebunnysareevil]

I remember they where going to cast channing tatum for gambit lol

[@AndaraBledin]

Gambit is just a walking cliched personification of New Orleans. Have they actually ever done anything truly interesting with him?

[@letmadora28]

So, they had the posibility of making a trilogy and they didn't notice it? Ok

[@lylesrevenge]

I think this is a movie that would’ve actually warranted a trilogy

[@magic75450]

Execs so obsessed with miney that they couldn't have seen the obvious way to make 2 more films and get way more money? ironic.

[@kronozord8346]

That was another problem with fox, they didn't see a cinematic universe as marvel did. If they were smarter they should have created not only a trilogy but an XCU.

[@Noperare]

@@kronozord8346 Fox could had done the "Avergers iniciative" with each mutant having their own movie and Xavier recruiting them at some point. Then when the full X-men team is complete, they try to stop Striker, that tried to capture all the protagonist mutants to use their DNA for his super hyped "Weapon-X". Naturally, the final big fight would be against this Weapon X.

[@lylesrevenge]

@@Noperare facts, I actually thought the whole point of this whole thing would be each one getting a standalone X-Men Origins movie starting with Wolverine

[@LaserPossum]

"shows up to... create a job opening at the school" never change, Filmento

[@emmanuelmakoba6085]

Dude, that caught me off guard haha

[@tdylan]

Think about what happens in the revenge movie: Logan finds his love interest dead. He goes to get revenge. His love interest isn't really dead. Meaning he left her "dead body" where he found it and immediately set out to exact his revenge, instead of taking her to a morgue/funeral home to ensure she had a proper burial, where it would have been discovered that she was still alive. Maybe he planned on coming back for her body after he killed Sabertooth, but even after he wakes up in the hospital and agrees to get adamantium, he doesn't go retrieve her body and have a funeral for her first. He goes straight to the lab.

[@dammagrilla]

He probably didn't want to have to answer questions about how she died. He'd probably be the #1 suspect

[@tdylan]

@@dammagrilla That still means he left his love's "dead" body in the wilderness to rot and get eaten by animals.

[@dammagrilla]

@@tdylan I know, just theorizing how he might've been ok with doing that in the moment

[@rosestar1324]

What if he buried her himself?

[@jturner2577]

@@rosestar1324 Then it should have been shown.

[@marko-gj1uj]

That "Deadpool" scene where his eyes were wide open scared me at first.

[@lowlowseesee]

its horrifying

[@gameteam4360]

I legit can’t look at it

[@FullMetalRafa]

The funny thing is, this movie is actually a guilty pleasure of mine, I don't know why I like it but I know it's bad

[@factoryofdivisiveopinions]

Same here, its kind of like BvS to me, I see why others hate it and stuff but I personally still enjoy it.

[@theshellderinslowbrostail5422]

Same brotha I do love the intro scene of this

[@RKNancy]

Me too, brother

[@bisheshshakya9417]

Well it's because Wolverine is in this movie and he's way too badass😂

[@DarkSpino306]

Me too

[@Jiggerjaw]

So what you're saying is, this movie was a great trilogy. Wolverine: Origin Wolverine: Stryke Force Wolverine: Bad Blood

[@ryanvaughn5959]

Those are great titles.

[@grfrjiglstan]

One of the writers on this was David Benioff. As in, the same guy who would go on to make the adaptation of Game of Thrones. Think about that for a moment.

[@chasehedges6775]

Should I really be that surprised?

[@xxbigbangxx1]

This explains a lot.

[@michaelstrong5383]

And he also wrote Gemini Man. Game of Thrones really was his peak, until the later seasons that is.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@michaelstrong5383 I watched Gemini Man a few weeks ago and it was decent, watchable Will Smith movie.

[@khyronbradford]

Well, both series and movie are shit.

[@pranavnnair5]

I love the "no" sound effect everytime the movie goes off the rails. It sounded ridiculous even in revenge of the sith 😂

[@neliaferreira9983]

This guy's editing creativity is brilliant and damn entertaining!

[@MarkEstratocaster]

The old couple had "Uncle Ben" written on their forehead from the moment they appeared on screen

[@chasehedges6775]

The old, elderly people who help and provide assistance to the main protagonist only to be killed cliche.

[@paulcoy9060]

Ma and Pa Kent, with that farm.

[@paulcoy9060]

And, Logan was naked, just like baby Kal El, in the Donner film.

[@pnutz_2]

as doomed as the black family in logan

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@pnutz_2 nah they didn’t really give off that feel but this old couple had a death sign on them.

[@charlespuruncajas9663]

I think a movie that handled very well this premise was ironically a Spin Off: Deadpool 1: it managed an origin story (by flashbacks) and a revenge story (set in the present), then the third act felt satisfying because Wade’s entire arc finishes there (he gets the girl, he kills the bad guy, he makes new allies, he finally accepts himself) that’s why it was so memorable (also the R Rated aspect)

[@DarkSpino306]

Everyone: "this one movie is bad." Fox: "there are 3, actually."

[@agentofchaos7456]

What criteria do you use to judge films?

[@the_bane_of_all_anti_furry]

@@agentofchaos7456 meme and is 2 barely working neurons

[@eldorados_lost_searcher]

Wait, was that a 3 Musketeers reference?

[@Muksss]

@@eldorados_lost_searcher no Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse

[@godzillakaijuboy]

There is another

[@AdmiralFerret]

Not gonna lie though, the opening to this movie was probably my favorite of any super hero movie

[@swoozie]

agreed with all the points; think the root of the problem like @mattheJ1 mentioned was the writing. Very curious to see what D&D cook up for Netflix considering Netflix paid $250M to secure them while they were still riding the GOT wave.

[@Roccosfilms]

Didn't expect to see you here

[@aliaun6755]

Hello sWooZie

[@TheRealGamer872]

Sup

[@derkaffeenator9172]

Who is D&D?

[@jackkain7141]

@@derkaffeenator9172 David Benioff and Daniel Weiss, the show runners behind GOT who were responsible for the dumpster fire that was season 8.

[@bluelanternguardianangel8038]

The ironic part is that marvel released these moving comic movies about wolverine fighting sabertooth, fighting for mutants and his origin. The thing is is that they're all separate stories and they're all excellent. They're called marvel knights and I highly recommend watching them

[@TathodDoNothin]

It could have been a trilogy where in the first movie we see logan's origin and his relationship with victor ending the first movie with Logan leaving victor for his brutal methods, the second movie could've been a romance/revenge story where victor comes back and kills Logan's love interest ending with Logan getting adamantium from stryker and finding out victor but not killing him but which ends with stryker coming out of nowhere and shooting Logan in the head making him forget his past and all the revenge story which in the third movie where logan is just a mindless drone of stryker who fights wars and captures mutants and all he remembers is his brother victor. During the test on Logan going wrong he accidentally regains consciousness and escapes his facility and goes to the old couple's house which are then killed by stryker, so Logan sets on a path of revenge and setting all the mutants he mindlessly caught for stryker free in the end saving the day. Just an Idea by me. Lol the Deadpool joke was funny tho

[@porassrivastava8242]

Man you hit it right on the head it even has thematic consistency

[@dragospopovici7337]

You sir should've directer WW84

[@quantumslime7265]

Give this man a prize and a full on writing career. He's on to something.

[@jessenunez7205]

Dude that sounds like a damn good trilogy

[@MrTotalwinner]

When I was young I thought X-Men Origins Wolverine was the greatest movie of all time, I really don't know how now.

[@ouissal3960]

I agree. i loved this movie as a child. Now, im not that sure I would ever watch this again

[@Mark-xw5yt]

Agreed, and i’d still rewatch it. Has enjoyable action all throughout and the story is digestible for me, probably because i’ve watched it 20 times. I understand the criticism but I loved it as a child

[@thatsaweirdone]

I couldn't agree more with you man. I am watching the X-Men movies again (after a veeeeeeery long time) and I can't see how I thought this was a good movie

[@knowndisc]

At least ryan reynolds got recommended for Deadpool after this.

[@MeatCatCheesyBlaster]

He pretty much made Deadpool happen it was his passion project that he fought for for years

[@me30000]

@ I think they meant he fought for the Deadpool movie

[@tuc-kaankaraayan]

@ fox owned x-man characters. You can't make it without getting the "ok" from the owners obviously.

[@tuc-kaankaraayan]

He actually really tried to push Fox to give him a chance to do the movie. Fox didn't even wanted a DeadPool movie and wasn't planning to accept the scripts Ryan Reynolds(yes he is part of that area in the movie as well) gave to them and DeadPool happend only because they leaked the pilot on the internet. The joke of "Why there is no other X-men here other than you two? It's almost like the studio couldn't afford it." was reality. Ryan Reynolds did DeadPool more or so himself with a low ass budget given him from Fox rather than Fox wanting the movie be made. That's why DeadPool forgets his gun bag as well btw. Budget was not enough for a big gun fight.

[@alexism9656]

@@tuc-kaankaraayan I guess that explains why the 2nd movie had more action.

[@6ancerpi9]

Failures of Dark Phoenix: 1. No Mr. Sinister, instead villains that were nobodies. 2. Famke Janssen killed Cyclops, Professor X, and pretty much everyone at the end. She was scary, while Sophie Turner only killed Mystique and a few villains that were nobodies. 3. Magneto never found out about his son, Quick Silver.

[@scientist368]

well at least the potrayal of victor and the opening scene with the wars were awesome

[@batnerd5148]

If I was making this movie I would throw out most of the “X-men movie,” leaving only the scenes where Wolverine gets his adamantium, and then escapes. I would then try to blend the other two movies together, because I think that the “revenge movie” can be used to further the plot of the “origin movie.” I would start with the scene where Logan gets his powers as a kid, then go into the immortal soldiers montage. We then cut from there to a scene where Logan and Victor (Sabertooth) are brought to the Weapon X base and Logan meets the school teacher (who in my film is a disillusioned scientist working for weapon x) and they hit it off. then we see the Nigeria mission (preceded by a scene where Logan and Victor are told about the adamantium) and we see Logan and Victor argue. Then we get a scene where Logan and the school teacher decide to leave Weapon X. Then the time skip happens, followed by a second montage, this time of Logan and the school teacher forming a relationship. Then Sabertooth shows up and kills the school teacher (for real). Logan hunts him down and gets his ass kicked by Victor. Then we get the transplant scene and Logan going full on murder machine (but only after this point in the movie). The movie ends with a final fight between Logan and Sabertooth,who beats Logan again. However, this time Logan wanders off into the wilderness, starting their feud. I would then have after credits sequence of Logan showing up at the Xavier institute and meeting Professor X as a tie back to the X-Trilogy. No weird cameos, no Deadpool, just Logan becoming Wolverine.

[@NarwahlGaming]

Maybe not all the way to Xavier's. Have it end in a certain bar in a small Canadian town where a certain young lady walks in after running away from home. Or, further back. Have him discover that same bar with the same establishing shot.

[@bigfudge2031]

I think it would make more sense for Logan to beat sabertooth in their final battle considering his "enhanced powers" (because otherwise what was the point of getting the adamantium) but in the end, choosing to spare his brother and show him mercy (something his brother never did) which ties back into the start of the film.

[@xavierramirez1911]

how would logan lose his memories?

[@batnerd5148]

@@xavierramirez1911 Weapon X erases them when they give him the adamantium, like in the comics.

[@Megatron_95]

Oh. I didn't know that this was written during the writers strike. I only remember that the film was written with by one of the Game of Thrones writers

[@trillionbones89]

Oh my, I didn't know that

[@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168]

It was written by several people.

[@shaunjimbangan1166]

I haven't seen game of thrones, but from what I know the ending was the only bad part about the show. Every other moment was really well recieved.

[@Schalla1641]

@@shaunjimbangan1166 a huge part of the series is an adaptation of a book series - that part is objectively great the series starts falling apart when the writers had to actually construct the plot themselves. the script sucks ass at that point. every other part of production is still top notch so it really is just the script. so the got writers are great at adapting but horrible at writing

[@shaunjimbangan1166]

@@Schalla1641 Still I don't we should be yelling at them and telling them that there awful writters. We should just tell why the finally was bad and move on.

[@popgas3821]

"NOOOOoooooo!!" Classic boring anger-releasing moments, ugh.

[@general_kenobi9895]

Poor ani

[@thalison151]

No way, Bladerunner 2049 does a good job with its " GOD DAAAMNIIIIITTT"

[@yourfatboy5359]

Its so overused

[@nguyenthanhhuynh4175]

Filmento's editing skills just get better and better. You deserve millions of subs sir!

[@SB-rf2ye]

Filmento's probably been hitting the Skillshare lessons tho...

[@iBLookinATu]

Between the "Who are you? Where the hell am I?" for School Teacher's introduction and the Chappelle "Gotcha bitch!" sniper, I found myself legitimately laughing out loud.

[@biddierepellent]

I genuinely believe Filmento has the best film analyses on youtube

[@jaybling6687]

Still waiting for “Baywatch - How to Fail at 21 Jump Street | Anatomy Of A Failure”.

[@rayneingdown]

I watched this movie so much as a child, so watching this makes me so sad. I would have LOVED an origin and exploration story like you explained. Seeing him struggle with whether or not he’s a killer would have been so awesome. Especially if just as he discovered himself, that was when he lost his memory. We would feel so backstabbed for him and would mourn.

[@shawerful5209]

the series x men is like an anime that leaves a lot of cliffhangers, only solves them in the eighth season, and the third season forward is a mess of bad fillers and good episodes.

[@Billabongbabalog]

10:00 did they not explain adamntium?The addition of adamantium to his skeletal structure was a drastic shift in his powers, considering he had a normal skeletal structure in terms of bone density. The claws were an extension of his skeletal system and could be broken and couldn't cut through anything, unlike the adamantium claws which could slice up almost anything. They also increased his bone density x10 and put his healing factor and already superhuman physical abilites on overdrive due to the stress it put on his body. His body had to compensate. Once again, I don't remember if they explained adamantium but I thought they did.

[@Lord_necromancer]

In the comics his bone claws could absolutely slice through cars at the very least, I saw that in a comic, and the adamantium slowed his healing Factor instead of putting it into overdrive. Once he had the adamantium removed, his healing Factor was exponentially more powerful.

[@costileraphid1891]

Act 1: A Movie. Act 2: A Movie. Act 3: A Movie.

[@chasehedges6775]

X-Men Origins: Jimmy.

[@chasehedges6775]

@Nicholas Gichini True. Very True.

[@lazerline74u65]

8:23 “screenplay by David benioff” now it all makes sense

[@delayed_reaction_man]

The Logan Inferiority: Revenge story for a woman who didn't die for the guy that didn't do it. Logan Began: To stab, or not to stab. That is the question. Loxan: This Thing that Ryan Reynolds is playing as and Jackman is stabbing it. Directed by Gavin Hood

[@ToxicTerrance]

This movie is the most complicated way to say "He lost his memory before the first X-Men movie." Lol

[@gerardweno6397]

Gods of egypt: finally, a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary!!

[@chasehedges6775]

The Emoji Movie: Hold my meme.

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

What do you mean?

[@zachjohn3217]

@@chasehedges6775 what's Emoji Movie? (Joke)

[@josephsarra4320]

@ I don't know, maybe we'll ask and see how it goes.

[@josephsarra4320]

@@nathanieldiaz5254 My thoughts exactly. Because for Xmen Wolverine movie, it doesn't start with exposition, the villain doesn't start his motivation by explaining but nothing to show for it which shown later on in the third act, there's no MacGuffin throughout this movie let alone throw in a bunch more of them to overcomplicate things, at least Wolverine is not the surface level protagonist which we can't connect or care about in any way. You might state that there's a six-year time-jump and his wife isn't developed enough to be her own character similar to one protagonist's girlfriend in Gods of Egypt, which you're right about but given what I said earlier, it's not like that. What this movie is similar to is The Lone Ranger because of the convolution and conflict that the movie has which not only makes it confusing to follow to the point of being nonsensical but internally conflicted with not two, but THREE movies which established no clear identity whatsoever. And that's why it doesn't work.

[@LEWfromdaHOU]

I remember a few weeks after this movie released in theatres, I looked up Deadpool (I didn't know who he was at the time) in Wikipedia, and it specifically stated that his powers consisted of absorbing the abilities of captured mutants. Looking back on this just confirms that the people at Fox who made this movie had no idea of what the character was and possibly just googled who Deadpool was just like I did.

[@HearthCipher]

"Create a job opening at the school" 😂

[@joelsmall8471]

I genuinely remembered this movie as multiple movies, and now you've excplained why that is....thanks Filmento

[@traidott]

The Vader “no” input was a nice one lol

[@SirHenryMaximo]

When the intro to a movie is deeper and more memorable than the movie itself.

[@koorssgamer]

The only thing that I'm questioning now is: how I didn't know that Reynolds did "deadpool" before deadpool?

[@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090]

I guess that's why

[@shaggydoo-2821]

The weapon x comic is always gonna hold a special place in my heart. It’s so badass watching him get payback on the guy who created him and an entire comic dedicated to him killing all the security and how screwed you’d be to go up against him

[@215RANDOM]

Lmao. 3:12 "Nooooo" Darth Vader.. Wasn't expecting that..

[@GabyGeorge1996]

The fact that it pops up at least twice more makes it all the better

[@DvanderPluijm]

And again you manage to put into words the feeling I've had since first watching this movie. I was like 'yeah, this is pretty good, and yet at the same time it isn't' and while it's still a guilty pleasure of a movie, I see what you mean by it being three movies at once. Such a shame, because either the true origin story (learning to cope with his powers) or the revenge movie would have been really good stand-alone stories to base a movie on. I would have loved to see a teenage Logan come to terms with what he is and such.

[@xxbigbangxx1]

Vader's scream on Wolverine killed me 😂

[@lucy9196]

This video just reminded me of how much I actually liked this movie might be my fav in the x-men series

[@engjells8523]

8:19 - David Benioff. Enough for me, that explains it all.

[@edmontonboy99]

Whoa, whoa not so fast. It was also written by Skip Woods, another mediocre writer who went on to write films like A Good Day to Die Hard, the Hitman movies, and Sabotage.

[@YtCondonesAnimalAbuse]

There is no such crime as the ending of GoT. NO One can top that shit pile.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

This is another one of those films that great acting can't carry alone.

[@patrikmiles9342]

WillIAm acting makes me glad he never was in another movie after this

[@chasehedges6775]

He was in Madagascar 2 and he was pretty good in that movje as Moto Motio.

[@michaelstrong5383]

The only other films he was in after this were the two Rio movies.

[@patrikmiles9342]

@@chasehedges6775 Animation is easier than live action since you have more liberty with takes

[@chasehedges6775]

@@patrikmiles9342 Agreed. I definitely am a sucker for animation.

[@HeresorLegacy]

@@patrikmiles9342 I would argue that both are equally hard, since in live action you can fall back on your face and body language to emote. With animation you have to rely on the animator's work and only can work with your voice to do the heavy lifting.

[@OswaldVon]

To be honest I loved the movie the first time I saw it, just because of the opening which showed Logan and Creed fighting in countless wars ... It was very well done

[@PvPSteve]

I think this is one of the greatest videos out of this channel - really helps to put what's wrong with this movie in perspective!!!

[@ryanthompson1244]

The X-Men portion of X-Men origins wolverine was largely unneeded because a lot of the questions were answered in X-Men and it's sequal. The movies had Wolverine's origin story in Stryker and his secret laboratory at Alkaline Lake.

[@thatsalocalwayofbreakingth424]

I'd like to see a video about… X-Men Apocalypse - How to fail at Age of Ultron (that was already not great) | Anatomy of a Failure Cause I haven't seen anyone comparing these two movies but they have a lot of similarities. But Age of Ultron, despite a huge amount of flaws is overall an enjoyable movie (not great but enjoyable) and Apocalypse is just a mess that doesn't seem to know what it's trying to be.

[@tutorialslave]

I think they should've introduced Ultron in Iron Man 3 as a benevolent A.I. learning what it means to protect the world and somehow being corrupted towards the end. Then, it's revealed that he's in cahoots with Hydra in Winter Soldier. That way, we'd shave off 20-25 minutes of his creation in the actual Avengers movie, freeing up real estate to flesh out Wanda and Pietro etc. In terms of Apocalypse: for one, they were rushing his introduction. Why not take their time and release an Apocalypse origin story set 5000 years ago. Then, have the X-Men go up against his Horsemen and THEN he enters the scene. But they needed a different line-up (possibly Wolverine, Cyclops, Nightcrawler and Mystique) and for that to pop there needed to be more character interaction beforehand.

[@temwananinkana3419]

Those two movies were so dissappointing. Apocalypse being the worst. We just wasted important villains. Age of ultron implies a dystopian world.we had two days of a terrorist. The take over wasnt felt. The cartoons did ultron justice.

[@legofrodobaggins9339]

I actually thought apocalypse was pretty good but I can see why a lot of people don’t like it and so I respect that

[@temwananinkana3419]

@@legofrodobaggins9339 i think the best part about t s, the magneto storyline. They shud hav built more on it.they just dropped it. And apocalypse, a substantial villain as he s, deserved mo content

[@thea-holegamerandfriends6754]

I think Age of Ultron is massively underrated as its the only Avengers movie where they start as friends and end as friends. They all meet for the first time in Avengers, drift apart in Civil War, are splintered in Infinity War, and most are out of existence in Endgame until the end for a short of amount of time during their biggest team-up.

[@zachhamlin1718]

I feel like the three intertwined story lines could have worked well if they had taken time to flesh each one out more and explain how they connect, but by then the movie would be 3 hours long

[@W0lfenstrike]

I mean, the 2008 writter strike was one big valid reason for the resulting steaming pile of manure, but also look at the credits... David Benioff was attached to this dumpster fire. My expectations have been subverted.

[@abzde]

X-Men Origins Wolverine was my favorite X-Men movie out of all the recent movies made! I can watch this movie over and over again. But the other X-Men movies I struggled to be entertained from beginning to end. I guess my mind works differently than others.

[@mammoth157]

Take my Like for the Doom track, that shit is always intense.

[@WitheredPictures9]

For real, that part was a nice surprise. BFG Division goes with everything lol

[@ydk103]

@@WitheredPictures9 yes but that is Rip & tear tho

[@kaelwd]

@@ydk103 Except it isn't

[@donfedericochavez5771]

Nunca se me hubiera ocurrido la idea de que en realidad eran "tres películas en una", excelente explicación, este canal es de los mejores que he visto desfragmentando la trama de las películas y ésta sin duda de las mejores que he visto, una lástima se ve había mucho potencial para hacer una película épica sobre los auténticos orígenes de Guepardo.

[@galactica1981]

Filmento, I would love to see a video that analyzes the flaws of Frozen. Analyze why, despite being a massive financial success, Frozen hasn't been an enduring film like Beauty and the Beast, The Lion King, The Little Mermaid and Aladdin.

[@mewnani]

You mean besides it being no less than 1/3rd musical numbers?

[@galactica1981]

@@mewnani Let's see... it fails to use any of the classic archetypes found in the best Disney movies. Anna is a dope and Elsa is a jerk. It also teases a romance between two characters for most of the movie and at the end just drops it with no payoff, all to send a message: A woman doesn't need a man.

[@mewnani]

@@galactica1981 You could argue all of that was an intentional subversion (not sure if intentionally subverting all of those tropes is a good idea but.... eh) but that movie does have a lot of flaws. Your daughter has ice powers and your bright idea as a parent is to lock her away from her sister and never let them out of the castle? The smartest guy in the whole film was the bad guy by a country mile and even his plan was kinda sketchy after Elsa storms off (really, you're gonna claim both princesses are dead and... then what? That she married you? It's been years since I've seen the film but it's probably shakier than I remember it being, and then he just kinda gets let off even though he almost singlehandedly destabilized an entire kingdom.)

[@magic75450]

I didn't see Frozen 1, but I saw Frozen 2. Frozen 2 is bad. Like, the only thing Kristoff had to do in the entire film is to try to propose to Anna. She often acts like a jerk to him, even leaving him in the forest. Then he sings about his doubts, and that they may not be a good couple. Then he disappears for 40 minutes, show out of nowhere and proposes. And I don't know what the arc was supposed to be for Anna and Elsa. Also, it took the movie 15-20 minutes to get going.A flashback with exposition and a song, then we go to Arrandell to hear exposition, then a song, then a Charades game...

[@galactica1981]

@@mewnani It was an intentional subversion, no doubt, and it doesn't work. "A woman doesn't need a man" is not a message that resonates with the vast majority of people, so to build an entire movie around that idea was a big mistake, and it's the main reason Frozen is not a fondly remembered film.

[@balmoral0095]

While I very much love the rationality you bring to your video essays, I think your editing is the best part of your videos

[@BeautifulEarthJa]

I love X-Men Origins Wolverine! Watched it there times in cinema and gonna watch it again now :D

[@muchanadziko6378]

I've actually loved this movie as a kid, it might've been my favorite X-men film at the time

[@juarezamorim]

at least the X-Men Origins Wolverine game is pretty good

[@RtistiqSkubie]

Which can no longer be found anywhere

[@alfgeircrichton]

@@RtistiqSkubie yes, it's hard to find legal copies... legal ones...

[@TOMMY-tv7rd]

@@RtistiqSkubie on PC or can be downloaded online

[@JoeChillton]

No one has it on PS3 anymore?

[@descent3031]

Stop and appreciate how god damn slick the editing is in this video.

[@SuperMaster000X]

in earth 2, there is a succesfull wolverine trilogy

[@YtCondonesAnimalAbuse]

You mean the Canadian sci-fi series from the 90's with Debrah Farentino and Clancy Brown? Well that show was awesome, they ended it way too soon!

[@XitlalicProductions]

Earth 2 also got The Hobbit directed by Guillermo Del Toro.

[@poisenbery]

The thing that made Wolverine interesting is that he had a power that pretty much everyone would want, but it made him miserable. That's where his character depth came from

[@baconfacejugs4017]

Love the first half honestly, but as soon as they included the Deadpool thing, it obviously went downhill fast

[@jacknedry3925]

"How does wolverine and his brother find out if there killers or not?" You must choose, but choose wisely for one path leads to good, the other path to evil.

[@Mark-xw5yt]

This was my favorite one lmao. Story might be a mess but it sets up interesting plot points and action. Not saying it couldn’t be better, but the sheer amount of action in this one movie did make it very enjoyable for me

[@Theemightyquinn101]

The way Filmento summed up the movie at the end at 18:39 as perfect. He works way too hard for KZbin, this man should be a professional movie critic.

[@Jirujan]

the good thing is that you don't have to wait years to watch a Trilogy

[@RocketJimmer]

The sad thing is, this could have worked. ALL of it could have worked if they chose a central theme/idea to connect all three parts. For the sake of argument/example, I'll use the theme of whether Logan is a monster and whether killing is okay. Start the movie as it is - with Logan accidently killing his father - then show footage of Logan trying to keep his brother Victor from killing as they fight as part of Team X (Run by Stryker) for as long as opening credits fade in and out (this saves us precious time so the reset of "6 Years Later" isn't as late into the film). Cap this off by showing an argument that results in Logan leaving the team and Victor because of the their over-willingness to kill their targets. Then, after what have been in essence a prologue and opening credits, we jump into the movie proper with a scene or two of Logan and his lover, which shows their chemistry and some wholesome moments. After this, a "rogue" Victor kills the love of Logan's life, causing Logan to be torn between getting revenge (giving into killing and being the monster his abilities suggest he is) and being the better man (not killing and therefore not being a monster). Throughout this alternate version of the film, Logan becomes more and more consumed by grief and a yearning for revenge despite his better judgement, all while wrestling with questions like "Would me killing him in revenge make me just as bad as he is?" Now, Logan killing throughout the film despite his beliefs about killing isn't an inconsistency in the narrative. Rather, it is now symbolic of his grief and anger consuming him to the point where he is inching away from his morals and towards killing in order to get what he wants. This is where Stryker comes in again. In this version, he offers him an adamantium skeleton in exchange for him returning to fight for them as a member of Team X. He agrees, but secretly only so he can have a greater advantage over Victor when he finds him and enacts revenge over him. He escapes to find and try to kill his brother as soon as he is given the skeleton, which causes a three-link cat-and-mouse kind of relationship: Stryker is after Logan, and Logan is after his brother. Stryker, in secrecy, knew that Logan accepted only because he wanted revenge; in fact, Stryker had Victor kill Logan's lover as a way to motivate Logan to get in Stryker's lab. During the process of skeleton replacement, Stryker got all of the DNA he needed from Logan to add Logan's ability to Deadpool. In this version, there is no old couple that dies, as that would confuse the revenge plot and make a future twist I have in mind pointless. Also, as to not ruin the revenge story, Logan's lover is actually killed by Victor instead of having her death faked. Towards the end, it is revealed to Logan - and the audience - that Stryker and Victor were working together the whole time in order to finish the Deadpool project, and that Team X was secretly an anti-mutant force disguised as a force that only killed evil mutants (both Deadpool and Team X were Stryker trying to get revenge on mutant-kind as a response to his mutant son supposedly murdering his wife). Logan learns all this when he tracks down Victor in order to kill him and finds him speaking with Stryker right outside the mutant prison. The end-battle is Logan vs. Victor and Deadpool. It consists of Logan struggling between either killing Victor and Deadpool (who pushes him towards killing by taunting him, not having his mouth sewn shut in this version) in a catharsis of revenge or apprehending them for whoever might take them into custody (the government, the X-Men, or maybe something else, as it doesn't really matter for the purposes of the story). He overcomes his yearning for revenge and restrains the two, only to be shot in the head by an adamantium bullet from behind by Stryker, who then kills Victor after telling him the adamantium treatment that served as Victor's motivation to work for him is not compatible with Victor. He also kills Deadpool, who has proven ineffective by losing in the fight. The minutia would have to be a little different than in the original film for this to work (Logan would look for only Victor instead of Stryker too, there would have to be moments integrated to slowly turn Logan back around to not seeking revenge by the end, Stryker's endgame would have to be reconsidered, etc.), but that's the main idea. I think it's an improvement.

[@chancecam9397]

"Merc with a mouth but without the mouth" Everyone in the writers room: *claps*

[@chasehedges6775]

BRILLIANT!

[@jcdenton2187]

It would have been so much better if they had Wade trying to talk the whole time. Just constant "mmph mmmpphhmm mphh!!" As he's being controlled and such. Maybe have his mouth get sliced back open during the fight.

[@Foxtrot5]

@@jcdenton2187 in a post-credits scene his mouth got torn open.

[@damianmayo3174]

@19:10 is such a genius way to visually portray the 3 different plots he broke down. Good shit Filmento 👏

[@wallyhackenslacker]

Having Vader's big NOOOOOO followed by "gotcha b*tch!" killed me completely!!! 🤣️

[@dx180]

It's crazy, this is actually 1 of my favorite XMen films.

[@Ki_Adi_Mundi]

The first and only time I watched this movie was with a boot-legged, mid-production version that only had about 1/4 of the visual effects completed. The rest were all storyboard clips or, hilariously in most cases, grey-scaled basic cgi renderings. Which first showed up on the screen in the war montage when a shitty cgi plane flew over their heads, I nearly choked. Between that and when he jumped out of Gambit's plane it makes for my favorite ironic cinematic experience. I honestly wish I still had it/could find it again...

[@cadengreen9125]

I’ve always had such odd feelings about this movie, but you summed it up perfectly. Just as the movie starts to get good (regardless of which of the three is getting good haha) it is interrupted by one of the other two plot lines

[@andrewmontoya6333]

After watching hours of DOOM guitar covers I watch this and what do ya know.. there’s a DOOM song in here lol

[@Planetnish]

Clearly more thought went into this essay than in the writing of the actual movie. Well done.

[@omniriven9806]

That last bit with the 3 titles, kudos man very wel set up, I like it. But I totally agree (again). I like the Origin story the best, the intro where you see Logan and Victor fight in different wars. That was the best part of the entire movie. And I love how they did Sabretooth, I love that actor he always kreeps me out. Liev Schreiber is excellent in the Manchurian Candidate. Great casting choice, horribly waisted potential.

[@AsickJoke]

Wow, you actually made me realize some things i didnt notice befire and youve also helped me in how to (and how not to) make movies Good and how to make your stories enjoyable.

[@hokusman100]

I’d argue that Dark Phoenix was worse. At least Origins was a fun stupid ride kind of like Rise of Skywalker. Dark Phoenix was a boring slog like The Last Jedi.

[@JoeChillton]

DP is Rise of Skywalker awful.

[@positifbeatz]

Amazing content as always.Start an online class or something.for those of us who cannot afford film school we really need someone like you.

[@mkocel]

LOL'd when "he shows up to create a job opening at the school." hahahaha

[@dougthedonkey1805]

Oh god... I had finally managed to forget about this, and then you went and reminded me

[@Look_turtles]

The best part of this movie is when Deadpool roasts it in his movies

[@N0URii]

14:57 i love this edit, you're underrated man 😂

[@maxortiz18]

1:10 his memories won’t grow back though go watch the film theory on killing Deadpool

[@Doctor_Paradox]

Yeah, as much as everyone likes to joke about that line, that's one of the parts they got right

[@bdemaree]

How am I just finding your channel? Love the logical film student break down accented by the comedic editing. Putting you in the top three along side Pitch Meetings and Honest Trailers for ability to entertainingly shit on a movie. That being said at least this movie paved the way for Deadpool. Oh, and subbed.

[@SaurianStudios1207]

X men origins wolverine may have been an awful movie, but it’s way more entertaining and has better action scenes than both x men dark Phoenix and new mutants.

[@BlackstarSI]

AGREED!

[@bisheshshakya9417]

Yeah.... I used to watch this movie many times when I was kid, not bcuz it has great story but has Wolverine in it and he is too badass in action scenes 😁😁

[@johnsaltfresh5946]

Wait,new mutants is not even out yet

[@diegocamacho6477]

...New Mutants came out?

[@johnsaltfresh5946]

But yeah,somehow this movie actually have cool action sequences

[@peacefuldawn6823]

This was my first X-Men movie... and I still adore it!

[@JoeGrizz1y]

This movie could’ve been amazing if it kept the first 20 min as the whole film. An original story with him truly testing his morals and self while he goes through world wars.

[@natnael8484]

The only sad thing about a new Filmento video is the fact that you will have to wait one or two weeks for the next one