The Automotive 4-Letter Word - The Carmudgeon Show w/ Jason Cammisa & Derek Tam-Scott - Ep 153

Oh, truck it, let's say the word! Nobody likes the word "hybrid" but adding electric assist to combustion engines really can pave a way forward, especially for long-haul trucking.
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This week, Derek and Jason have an experience at Sonoma Raceway with Range Energy, a company focusing on hybridizing long-haul trucking. It's an ingenious solution to the problem of reducing emissions and fuel consumption, without needing to throw away existing diesel tractors.
And while they were there, they take Jason's e-Golf on the race track. Because, stupid.
But the idea of electricity helping combustion engines is what propelled Porsche to install a hybrid system on the 992.2 911 GTS. Learn how that system works in our discussion - including a chart of engine response of the last 3.0-liter twin-turbo six that debuted 991.2 Carrera versus naturally aspirated engines.
Also, Derek drives a Lucid Sapphire around Sonoma Raceway.

[@TheCreamRisesToTheTop]

“Tying two rocks together to see if they’ll float” LMAO 😂😂

[@aprtur]

3:07 WELCOME TO CARMUDGEON WEEK, I'M YOUR HOST JASON CAMMISA! Love that you guys snuck that in 😂

[@gambuz1no]

I work in Daimlertruck, Freightliner's parent company, the eTrucks are much better to drive than the ICE versions but they did have some limitations on the eAxle. The third gen eActros 600 can do 500 km fully loaded, and if that is not enough for LH you'll have H2 applications. Battery weight is also not a problem as the bottleneck factor is usually the body volume. Hybrids aren't so compelling for these kinds of applications as most companies have a depot and can do the investment needed to get energy for almost zero, that with the big reduction of moving parts mean that the TCO of the eTrucks isn't that different to a Diesel one.

[@shingoose6197]

When Range's founder went on the TST podcast, I was astonished by the idea and how impactful it is. Genius!

[@PigglyWigglyDeluxe]

Excellent episode

[@danharold3087]

People were getting shot down for suggesting it some years ago.

[@mcspikesky]

​@@danharold3087?? And what

[@flacjacket]

I tow with my Cayenne hybrid, typically just a tandem jetski trailer, about 2,800 lbs, hybrid is the way to go for towing. On one of my common roots there is a 3 mile downhill (steep) and just riding the regen keeps the rig at about 50 mph and gains me 3 miles of electric range. I never have to worry about cooking the brakes when towing with it. It also moves effortlessly with the added instant torque and on the 80 mile round trip starting with 16 miles EV range I average about 24 mpg while towing.

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

Yes that totally makes sense - even for trucks on a larger scale, efficiency, hilly situations especially if you are going down with a heavy truck. I am riding an awesome EV for long distances and now I only use regen for going down without even touching the breaks ever.

[@TC-V8]

Agreed in theory, but not many hybrids are actually homologated to tow! and if they are, often the Deisel has a higher tow rating!

[@sudeeptaghosh]

Having complexity of 2 drive trains and benefit of none it’s completely worthless.. please continue simping

[@brownkr2]

​​@@sudeeptaghoshhe just gave you the benefits, which you decided to ignore. If a hybrid doesn't work for you, then that's one thing, but clearly many people get value from them.

[@assininecomment1630]

🤔 Umm.... how _exactly_ did you get from doubting* the value of a *drivetrain* type - to arrive at insulting a *person's* character​, @@sudeeptaghosh? * based on flawed ideas.

[@thomasharris7130]

Why bother saving combustion engines if they’re automatic only? I feel like clutch/shifter/throttle interaction is one of the primary joys in driving, so if we’re saving ICE for enjoyment and engagement, rather than chasing numbers…

[@platypus1443]

Thanks to this show, I've started noticing every frustrating driver I've encountered is in a Subaru. Maybe it's confirmation bias, but it really is a reliable indicator of who to avoid on the highway.

[@conradhenninger2209]

The new Volvo driver!

[@istvanlorinczi2817]

Seems like a good idea, but the problem with it is the same as electric semis. Extra fuel economy is good, but if it comes at the cost of gross weight, it's a trade-off most companies probably won't make, unless weight limit laws give them a higher maximum load Then the heavier weight of the trailer (with the supposed extra cargo limit to make up the weight of the batteries/electric motors) means higher wear on roads and so on. A good idea nontheless, but there's still drawbacks

[@danharold3087]

I agree. It maybe ahead of its time. In time they should be able to build lighter system.

[@istvanlorinczi2817]

@@danharold3087 yeah, solid state batteries will be revolutionary if/when they are made usable

[@danharold3087]

@@istvanlorinczi2817 It this point it is more a when than an if. But then they have to reach price parity with non solid state.

[@arthurs7882]

THAT PEGGING GRAPHIC GOOD SCOTT

[@bowtiebonanza]

Derek as Data was fricking hilarious!!

[@deancostello14]

I was doing research into waste heat recovery when I was at Uni 10 years ago. It was very much in its infancy, and just became reality on the then new F1 engines. I thought basically what Porsche are doing is the best way to use waste gas at the time, and was curious to see who'd get there first in the mainstream, of course it was Porsche.

[@JohnSites48]

EDISON MOTORS AND THEIR HYBRID SETUP FOR THE WIN

[@neong]

This is the only solution for the near future. The power grid can't handle pure electric.

[@tomstech4390]

The problem people have with EV's isn't the electric motors (which give instant torque and are simple with only 1 moving part)... its batteries. They're the weak link "but batteries tech is advancing"- you cant change the laws of physics and the only way a battery can get more energy dense is by being more reactive, remember when Galaxy note 7's were exploding? Imagine its battery being 14x more explosive next to your balls, thats how much they need to improve to get to similar energy density to diesel. Diesel-electric hybrid is the best solution for transport which is why all big transport uses it.

[@myonen4402]

@@tomstech4390 that's not completely true aluminum can store 6x the energy of the same amount of lithium because of the crystalline structure, and aluminum is much less reactive than lithium, so al ion batteries have a lot of potential

[@tomstech4390]

@@myonen4402 Appreciated but 6x still isnt 14x and from what I've read the actual useful benefit is more like 2x while having a host of other issues compared to li-ion. A small battery for start-stop or "nice neighbour" mode is about as far as I'd want a battery in my car all things considered, I'm sure we'll get there.

[@myonen4402]

@@tomstech4390 realistically the biggest challenges we have full BEV are surmountable given the right investments and incentives. Most of the issues are last mile power delivery and a battery buffered electric filling station would have a fraction of the grid strain and cost of a large scale direct grid charging station because the grid tie in has to be able to handle maximum draw while a battery buffered station only needs enough electricity coming in to satisfy an entire days power draw over an entire day while direct feed stations have to slow down to accommodate heavy burden scenarios.

[@NO3V]

10:21 I... I just... This.. Anyway.

[@punjabeeplaya]

Hot golf on golf action

[@joshuamcgarity1109]

Jake's edits are easily one of the best parts of the show. Podcast listeners are missing out

[@kehrin]

9 years ago Audi made a Concept car called "Audi TT clubsport turbo", which had a 6-speed manual and an e-turbo coupled with a normal turbo + the musical 5-cylinder. Shame they never put it into production.

[@lgunderso2117]

As someone working in electrification- hybrid is absolutely the way to go for long haul trucking for the next 20+ years.

[@rangeenergy8072]

Thanks for coming out to Sonoma, you guys are awesome!

[@OdyTypeR]

Thanks for developing a great idea, _you_ guys are awesome!

[@HMHacki]

The "rich mixtures burn cooler" is three effects: 1. Like you said the latent heat of vaporisation of more fuel is greater. -Richer mixtures are cooler even before compression. 2. You have more mass in the cylinder. Especially on direct injection engines, in which the air mass is completely decoupled from the fuel mass. The amount of heat put into that mass stays basically constant as soon as you pass λ

[@Why_250_Vortex]

Carb ice can form inside the carburetor and eventually stop the engine on a piston plane, so it's a lot of cooling.

[@thedownwardmachine]

This makes me pine for my old Mazdaspeed3, unapologetically turbocharged, manual only, and eminently practical.

[@griffinfairchild]

The liquid fuel turning to a gas sucks up the heat that is in the engine, cooling the combustion temperatures due to the vaporization process needing so much heat energy. Thats why increasing the fuel to air ratio has a cooling effect in boosted engines.

[@punjabeeplaya]

Joule Thompson cooling. Very similar to how air conditioners work in the expansion stage.

[@mynt253]

42:45 This is news to me. I'm pretty sure Europe far exceeds the US in terms of the amount of people capable of operating a manual transmission and actually doing so day to day.

[@MumrikDK]

Manual has always been default in my part of Europe and will be until electric dominates. Americans were always the weird people who didn't know how to "drive stick".

[@CasualGearheads]

Yeah, Jason's been unfortunately pulling some (Euro) stats lately outta his posterior. The percentage is dropping, however we're still buying 32% of new cars with manual transmissions while USA is below 2%. Plus EVs skew the data as they fall under 'automatic' in most stats. I don't have data for percentage of cars on the road CURRENTLY, but I'd wager it's way higher than 50% manuals in Europe still. Plus, the most market gained for autos were well-off people buying higher class cars during the pandemic while the rest of us ate dirt. The curve is flattening. Source: motor1

[@valip3270]

Good afternoon from a place where there are no subarus, just old people in volvos and lots of VW products.

[@lancelotvt]

I drive a 26' straight box truck that has a Cummins inline 6 cylinder putting out 240HP and about 640 lb/ft of torque. Tractor Trailer units can range from around 250HP up to 650HP average (sometimes even a little more), and torque can range anywhere from around 750 lb/ft to 1200+.

[@GRSEMETROMALL]

I’m listening to this and clearly they don’t know enough about trucks or trucking. You can’t feel 20,000 pounds in a tractor-trailer. He’s talking about people smoking their brakes going down the grapevine. Those people are idiots. No one never told them about Jake break. specific techniques to using your brakes on a decline. Who in the hell starts climbing a heel from zero? Do they not know that if you drive a manual truck you skip gears like ain’t nobody’s business. They have a lack of knowledge and those people took advantage of it.

[@GRSEMETROMALL]

20,000 pounds for a tractor-trailer is nothing. I mean you can’t even feel 20,000 pounds.

[@darkwake3k]

The latent heat of vaporization 😜

[@thegirthquake8574]

I'm curious if you two would ever be interested in giving trucking a try for a day-- even if it's just B class straight box trucks. To clarify, I mean just driving one around and going through the motions-- it's eye opening to car drivers what us truckers deal with. Additionally, the secondary issue with EV trucks lays in cargo. Trucks cannot be more than 80k lbs unless permitted. The more weight you put into battery tech, the less cargo you can bring from stop to stop. The trailer is a great idea, but truckers are superstitious and any addition of electronic ANYTHING will make them recoil, and justifiably so. "It's just more shit to break!". And breakdowns mean money-lost. I think Edison Motors has the best suggestion so far. EV truck, Diesel Generator. Just like a freight train.

[@perrosdemaiz]

Good morning freaks!

[@perrosdemaiz]

My favorite nerdy content.

[@JK061996]

I heard of a similar e-trailer by Krone a while ago, either way it seems like a very interesting solution to tackle the truck's fuel consumption without changing the tractor

[@MoreOnEVs]

The beauty of the commercial market is that most companies have pretty consistent use cases. If an EV semi or truck or van works for your company… awesome. This is a great solution for long haul and might actually make EV semis work for lots more applications. You’re completely right that people need to stop thinking there’s only one solution for everyone.

[@JohnLewis-qg8rz]

You should check out Edison motors hybrid tractors in Canada

[@tomy8450]

I toured the factory in Wolfsburg last week. The last of the manual transmission Mk8 GTI and Golf Rs have been built by the end of the year last year. The last of the Mk8s were running down the production line mixed in with all the new Mk8.5s and they are all DSG now. Last call…

[@DaneRThomas]

They still offer the manual transmission in the Mk. 8.5 GT R-Line with the EA211 EVO 1.5 150 HP, but that is it. It can be optioned with the same DCC as the GTI and R, and it can be chipped to 200 HP pretty easily, but it will never match the EA888 for power output or potential. Much lighter up front though, so they handle very well.

[@JesusRodriguez-tm8go]

That TI83! What a classic

[@vercingetorige400]

but it can run doom?

[@DanaVastman]

These trailers with the Tesla Semi should result in HUGE range increase. I think the two work perfectly together In the long run😊

[@tiredoworking9350]

Chuckles and learning something new. Always great!😃👍

[@nirfz]

22:30 That's something i don't get: even 26 yearsago when i made my drivers license (europe) we had fully synchronized (almost, as reverse was unsynchronized in the one i learned on) 8 speed double H pattern manual gearboxes (with split, making it 16 possible gear ratios). And today it's all torque converter automatics in europe. Still, the US trucks go for unsynchronized manual or automatics. No idea why. (40 tons is the norm with the big trucks in europe, and in parts of scandinavia it's 60 tons.) And our trucks here are not as slow in accelleration as the one in the video. Also going down an incline, you use engine breaking, additionally there's (at least in the older ones) sort of an exhaust gas blocking valve which increases engine braking immensely, and more modern are magnetic "brakes" using "eddy current brakes". (there's no wear, only heat produced, but not in the brake discs). And there's almost no brake failures, and that even in the alps with professional truckers. As for the tralerthing: i would guess they use the light connection of the backup light to tell the trailer that you are backing up, so it won't work against you while going backwards. (Would be the easiest solution i think) 48:00 Well, if you go by the engine guys, the Turbos are desirable because they are more longterm reliable and don't get piston kinking or whatever that problem is called in english, where the pistons start to damage the inside of the cylinder because the are tilting. The turbos always had the old coating that is more durable and supposedly don't have that problem, but the NA Porsche engines from 996 onwards have it. Actually if you go by european Porsche forums and engine shops its a more common problem than the ibs everybody and their mother is worried about. Funnnily enough i have read that if you drive the NA engines "everyday" and not only occasionaly, it's supposed to not happen. 9FF for example, use Turbo blocks for their tuning cars, even when they make a NA car because of that issue.

[@vercingetorige400]

We can guess that unsynchro gearboxes are still in use because they are cheaper to produce, they appeal to old timey folks and gas mileage has a smaller impact than in europe. cool detail about electronic brakes! I think the side to side rotation of the piston is called rocking or piston slap but i don't about porsches

[@MrAndrewBeattie]

I am a truck driver in the UK. I am a "local driver" based in Glasgow. I get to go home every night. The law says that I can only drive for 9 (occasionaly 10) hours per day. I am limited to 56 mph max speed. A Tesla with a range of 500 miles would serve my entire work schedule. My records show that it is only on exceptional trips that I would use more than 80% of my range. Recently I had a tanker of liquid came from Southampton to Glasgow, Another driver picked it up in the morning from the port on the South coast. I took and an empty tanker down from Glasgow. We met in the middle and swapped trailer. I took the loaded tanker to Glasgow. That's pretty much the largest trip that you need to move goods in the UK and we both got home at night. I'm not saying that there are not drivers that stay out all week, but a Tesla would serve most drivers most of the time. But the Tesla needs to be re-engineered for Europe, as we have lower speeds, heavier loads and tighter yards than Americans do.

[@Ride_Runner]

Owner operators pay for their fuel. My truck, my fuel.

[@rlaxton666]

The complexity of hybrids to me are like the oddly complex carburettors that came to market when EFI was demonstrating how much better it was. Huge complexity that will give way to something much simpler, that is EVs.

[@willywillywillywillywilly]

We'll catch 'em in the corners...in another car...somewhere else...on another day... lol

[@AndreThompson925]

Your talk about the eGolf with a RSB is making me jealous. 034s service shop is going to install a South Bend Stage 2 clutch, should i have rhem do a sway as well? Or do it nyself?

[@urbanstrencan]

Porsche 911 GTS the best hybrid ever existed ❤❤❤

[@James-pl2oy]

Hence the reason why Porsche announced there wasn’t going to be a manual for the 992.2 GTS. Since one of the two e-motors is integrated into the PDK transmission. Not sure if it’s possible with a manual

[@TML34]

We’re gonna need a whiteboard for this episode. Where’s the other Jason? 😂

[@DustinDriver]

Even I've driven an Insight! It was pretty fun and wacky simply because of the shape and size. The engine was typical Honda and it didn't feel like a hybrid at all, just a tiny slow car.

[@rydirban]

A true hybrid electric truck, like a diesel locomotive, could be a viable option. The real question comes down to increased weight. A standard semi today is limited to 80,000 lbs total. My empty truck and trailer are just under 33,000 lbs. Any increase in empty weight would limit the total freight we can haul.

[@nirfz]

Agree, that would get rid of the need for a gearbox and provide continuos "thrust", but the space needed and weight added is probably why no one is doing it. The electric motors that are able to deliver that power not just in short peak times but in constant work (uphill for example) are big and heavy. bigger and heavier than the current gearbox at least.

[@rydirban]

@@nirfz Yeah, they'd have to increase the maximum weight limits. But, if you could have a smaller diesel, like a Ram Cummins or Ford Powerstroke as a power unit, enough to charge and drive. With enough batteries to last 200 miles on flat ground, you might be able to get double the mileage. It really comes down to total weight in the end.

[@indiebekonn]

Edison motors thought of just that.

[@aprtur]

​​@@rydirban spot on when it comes to GVWR...I don't know why they didn't mention the elephant in the room around that technology when presenting it here. I actually work for Cummins, and this is one of the big things I've seen as a detriment to both owner operators and fleets alike - if you significantly reduce payload, nobody will buy into it because pay per mile will plummet. I'm honestly intrigued to see what technology pans out most - our new fuel agnostic engines are going to keep things pretty wide open for buyers, so diesel, NG, and H2 will all compete against EV (also in our wheelhouse now) pretty heavily from a TCO perspective. From what I gather, though, NG has really jumped in purchases for the heavy haul market in the last year, where it used to be more for local routes only in the past.

[@robertide5182]

For anything but long distance max load trucking, electric semis have been shown to be plenty viable.

[@TonyBasuro]

By their turbo logic the B7 A4 with a Turbo 2.0 tuned for low end, a 6 MT and Semi Quattro is the most useful turbo car that is realistic daily der-ryver

[@Kalepsis]

The owner of the truck pays for the fuel.

[@garyonnen7634]

Yep look in to Edison motors. Fun stuff.

[@FlashDriveFilms]

THE Killer App for Range Energy is going to be a towbar/software/interface for people who tow behind their RV. Suddenly, using an electric car for your tow-behind would be viable. Use the cars' regen and motor to benefit the RV, and when you arrive at your campground, you can then shuttle around in your "dingy" car. (You can include a set of plug adapters to recharge at the campground (if they allow it) as many sites have electric hook-ups.) Sell it as s kit with customized software for various models. You're welcome.

[@6rimR3ap3r]

Regarding the Porsche Turbo I guess it's an Autobahn thing. When I drive my 7M-GTE powered Supra it's the Autobahn where the turbo experience makes most sense, going from 120kph to 170kph for example. And when the Turbo model still was the only forced induction model in the 911 range I assume that was what people bought them for.

[@ekscalybur]

Every pound added to the trailer that isn't product is not overhead, it directly cuts the bottom line.

[@kingjaf]

Since you guys clearly appreciate Motorweek, how about showing living legend John Davis some love? Your 153 episodes are impressive, but he's on season 44!

[@GRSEMETROMALL]

That’s not a game changer. I don’t have to touch the brakes now. They just took advantage of your lack of knowledge. Or some peoples bad driving ability you can drive down to Grapevine without touching the brakes really; Hell, you can go through Vail without touching the brakes really. Use your Jake break and only touch the brakes when you go about 2 miles over the speed you want to go down the hill and bring it back down to the speed that you want and get off the damn breaks before you overheat them and they are effectively useless. Anybody smoking their brakes it’s just a freaking idiot.

[@dielaughing73]

Be nice if you were regenerating all that energy for going up the next hill though, wouldn't it?

[@ateamfan42]

@52:22 The Mazdaspeed Miata was not a great implementation for a turbo Miata. The turbo was pretty small with a tiny intercooler, yielding mild boost. Instead of using the current VVT engine, they went back to the earlier motor. That gave up the nice mid range torque of the VVT, further compounded by the lower compression ratio of the MSM engine. The MSM coupled a ridiculously short 4.1 final drive to the 6 speed, making time in boost in each gear too short. Then the car was hampered by oversized, heavy 17" wheels for "style" reasons.

[@GRSEMETROMALL]

You can buy a tractor with 400+ horsepower. Many of the cross country carriers don’t buy them, but you can.

[@aprtur]

On the contrary, many carriers do buy them - many long haul trucks use Cummins 15Ls, and the lowest power output currently is 400hp, ranging all the way up to 675hp. Unless you're an insanely economy minded fleet and screw your guys with small engines on those trucks, you're generally going to be somewhere around 13L-15L, 4-500hp, with the hotrod owner operators turning them up to the 600hp range because they want to fly on the highway.

[@efghabcd5237]

The facelifted Golf 8 PHEV is getting close to being combination of a gti and an eGolf. It has a 110-115 hp electric motor, 40 kW DC charging and a usable battery capacity close to 20 kWh, like the first eGolf (although the motor in the PHEV has a lot less torque, "only" 150 Nm, compared to 270) , and the combined power output is about 200 hp. The single clutch automated manual should have no problem in that truck. As much as I know, the 250 t Mercedes Actros and the 325 t Volvo FH (both made for overweight cargo, and other similar special use cases) use that kind of a transmission too. Doesn't the 2 liter C63 already have a motor assisted turbo, where the motor is built into the turbocharger housing? (Plus it has other nice techical features, it still didn't get appreciated.) Hybrids with a manual: some mild hybrids have that, like the Suzuki Swift, that only has a 12 V hybrid system, or a Qashqai with the 1.33 liter Renault-Nissan-Mercedes engine.

[@christopherwoodbury7520]

Mazda could dip into the stellantis parts bin and grab that fiat twin air 2 cylinder, put a big honking electic turbo on there and make a hybrid that would weigh about what the current one does with similar power. Not sure they could do that and make the car still affordable though. Although it'd give stellantis a good system to use in all their smaller vehicles that'd pass emissions so crazier things have happened.

[@oldaccord]

Is Jason still driving that E-Golf on Vredestein Quatracs? Has he given a verdict on those yet?

[@revrdr600ho]

take a look Edison Motors out of Canada. Another way of doing Hybrid. Plus the new Ram with its Hybrid is going to be the way trucks get an electric boost and can still go long ranges in all conditions (cold).

[@cgmoog]

Would love to see a Revelations on on the Ramcharger once its released.

[@revrdr600ho]

@@cgmoog That would be cool. BUT, Jason isn't much on trucks, though he thought Raptor R was fun. I like how this show challenged it, but most media is loud and proud that Hyrbid is past its prime and we need full electric, YET there is a use case for it and it takes a step in right direction.

[@0o0ification]

Well, I guess we need a K&N / Dyson colab for the next magic horsepower retrofit.

[@dielaughing73]

39:00 26.82hp 39:33 14.75hp

[@henryford6514]

I think Nissan Infiniti before Ferrari used a sensor for the cars computer to monitor and control turbo speed in the red sport VR30DDTT engines turbochargers compressor section. I know you said Ferrari has the sensor on the turbine side, sounds hot...

[@travertinepico751]

I think a fun hybrid could be a standard transverse ff engine layout with a manual trans powering the front wheels only, an electric motor on the rear axle for awd assist or short distance full electric with the on board battery. The kicker is you add in a pto slot in the gearbox output to a large enough generator to fully operate on electric power with the gas engine locked at a set rpm for gas/electric mode and rwd shenanigans

[@arthurs7882]

Ok wow the synergy between turbo excess rotation harvesting electrons to feed the sandwich motor... Wow

[@punjabeeplaya]

Is the turbo regeneration like the old MGU-H in the F1 cars?

[@cparunsankar7363]

We need a podcast on bugatti

[@ouch9326]

its stupid excessive, whats there to say lol

[@tjseid]

Hey Jason and Derek, any chance you could talk about the koenigsegg gearbox that’s a manual and automatic. Could that theoretically be made into a hybrid using Porsches technology??

[@HandsomeAlex25]

Maximum Turban Speeds; interesting conversation!

[@50zoomie]

My friend had a Manual Civic Hybrid. It was a nice car.

[@aprtur]

Fun car to "game-ify" the mpg gauge...I remember running a few of them around at a Honda dealer years ago, and commonly hitting a consistent 60+mpg. It's a shame they dropped the manual IMA cars.

[@stevemartegani]

Didn't the Toyota Hybrids remove part of the CVT system or something?

[@myonen4402]

Look if you add a 70hp pancake hybrid motor on the Miata you could dramatically increase the area under the curve, while at the same time getting it to the magic 250 crank HP or about 212whp from 150whp

[@dielaughing73]

That would be a game-changer in a Miata. Especially with no lag or reliability compromises

[@AndreThompson925]

It sounds like Anthony Esposito needs to tune his GTI. If he's losing to a stock ND2 Miata...I would know, I own both. ❤️

[@NoClassic]

It will be interesting to see how the electric motor driving the turbo holds up in time. Pretty harsh environment.

[@danharold3087]

How much auto makers are willing to pay for them. If they cheap out...

[@peterpodgorski]

I've been driving a Toyota hybrid for almost 9 years now and there's no way I'm going back to anything else.

[@mattr8904]

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[@t17389z]

As someone who owns both a Honda CRZ with a stick shift, a Miata, and a Polestar 2, I feel incredibly targeted by this episode.

[@tonyclewes8]

Volvo V60 diesel MHEV has an electric turbo charger !

[@JoshuaKoerner]

This is such a no-brainer. Just needed someone with the money and contacts to get it off the ground. As soon as they get a contract with Walmart and JB Hunt and a few others they’ll make a gigantic difference. The next step is turning these diesels into hydrogen powered trucks. I read or heard somewhere that the hypothetical minimum number of hydrogen fuel stations across the country required for hydrogen semis was something like 300 because most trucks all go on the same routes or something. Not an expert. If we could spend clean energy on making hydrogen instead of AI, that’d be gigantic.

[@danharold3087]

The same routes hold for fully electric trucks and they go twice as far on the same energy. Why bother with a secondary solution. Hydrogen has a very small potential compared to AI. Are you going to convince investors that hydrogen for some reason now makes sense.

[@JoshuaKoerner]

@@danharold3087 because investors are totally in the room with us right now…… It has to do with the ease of swapping a diesel for a hydrogen powertrain. If truckers are much more change averse, then we change as little as possible to gain the greatest benefit. And that means hydrogen, not EV. Change as little as possible. AGI or whatever is absolutely not in the near term, and throwing compute and power at it is incredibly wasteful.

[@danharold3087]

@@JoshuaKoerner I hope your not talking ICE hydrogen. How many inefficiencies do you want to pile up. If your going hydrogen Fuel cell you have an electric drive train anyway may as well go BEV. Under half of US trucking (no idea global) is owner operator. The rest of the market only cares about the bottom line. Efficiency. Independent truckers do too and they will balk at the price of hydrogen. There is a lot of things we can do with AI prior to solving for AGI. You are using products and features created by AI researchers every day., They are ubiquitous.

[@erics3596]

Civic Hybrid manual - owned one - it was horrid. Hope they got it better with the CRZ

[@GRSEMETROMALL]

Why are you lying here? No one‘s riding their brakes on the grapevine. If you’re riding your brakes on the grapevine, you’re not going to have any breaks. And as far as going up to Grapevine man you’re supposed to be in the gear that you’re supposed to be in before you start the ascent. And you’re supposed to be in the gear that you’re supposed to be before you start the decent you’re not mentioning the Jake brake. I mean we’re talking engine breaking here. That’s what you use on the decent. Nah man, y’all don’t know enough to even talk about this.

[@NuxDriver]

“Saigon. Sh!t” - Apocalypse Now quote.

[@Jodah175]

20k lbs is maybe half a full load for a semi.

[@dmytrotonitsoi]

No need to invent anything when there are already massive electric cargo trucks that don’t need charging, drive with much less resistance without traffic with existing infrastructure that only needs some improvement here and there. Trains they’re called.

[@dmytrotonitsoi]

Americans will literally do anything to not use metric and not invest in trains🧑‍🦯

[@cgmoog]

@@dmytrotonitsoi Unlike its passenger system America's freight train system is World class.

[@dielaughing73]

​@@cgmoog it may be extensive but I'd say it's lacking in the safety area due to failures of regulation (which is a fancy way to say "corruption")

[@rizakatsudon]

Jake drives a CR-Z? Knew that guy was based but that's based AF

[@vitalipotchekin8241]

991.2 GTS is overcomplicated, 718 GTS with 4.0 N/A is a better option especially considering the price difference. Plus Porsche just announced they’re killing off the gas powered 718s, I would suggest getting one before it is too late.

[@Wirenfeldt1990]

35:31: John Bothwell?

[@arthurs7882]

TI-83... No plus? No silver?

[@aprtur]

Nope, older...if you're my generation (roughly Derek's age) you probably started with a TI-82 anyway.

[@sikelelabiyana8445]

Prius does NOT have a CVT

[@ouch9326]

1st gear and planteary gearset cvt, not belt driven stuff like unreliable nissan jatco ones from past

[@karlporath8904]

22:00 and yet if it was a manual transmission truck with an experienced driver and 44,000 lb in the box, the acceleration would have been twice as much as the automatic s*** box

[@MithunKalan]

tie a string to the kingpin. put a seat on the top of the trailer. you can now drive an EV trailer.

[@thedarkenergist]

Yeah. Ali is the fuckin man.

[@stevedwrd]

I'd love to see the miata downsize to the 1.5 N/A but gain an electric turbine in the exhaust to recuperate the energy from the exhaust and then feed that energy to an electric motor at the rear axle. Only downside is that the rear axle is the wrong place for put an electric motor considering braking recuperation, but I'm not ready for an AWD miata.

[@neong]

Edison Motors has the answer. Diesel electric. Everything else is a pipe dream with NA's power grid.

[@shamarone]

# HYBRID TAKEOVER

[@tomstech4390]

I hate the electric turbo thing (F1 ditched this after a few years btw) its a 20 year old joke. You're adding not only more complexity but also a ton of heavy copper to the shaft which makes it spool slower anyway, so allot of the motors effort... it just overcoming the heavy turbo while also having electronics next to something that gets insanely hot. On an 18 wheeler if you have a 130mm turbo it might make sense, but on cars it seems like an (economy) solution looking for a problem and being marketed as performance. I'd still rather have a well designed ceramic BB design, It's a similar philosophy to wanting a lighter flywheel.

[@flat6croc]

Disagree re the 911 GTS being the way to do hybrid. it would be better ditching the turbo nonsense and then use that weight budget to increase battery capacity and electric motor power a bit. Basically NA hybrid like the 918 Spyder. The turbo still won't be as sharp and precise as this kind of system based on an NA engine. Then there's all the added complexity and failure points of a fanch new electric assist turbo. It's ultimately the wrong spec for maximising driving pleasure.

[@lifeaccordingtobri]

Personally I can't stand hybrid vehicles. It's just new tech dragging old tech along for the ride. I've always said if the trucks can't make it up the hill and down the hill it's a dead technology. The biggest thing holding back doing transportation better is money .... the people making money don't want it to end and won't get out of the way. Great videos as ususal keep it up.

[@bentogel]

hybrid is not a 4 letter word

[@mishumihai223]

I don't care how well Golfs drive and handle, they look like pieces of cheese, and I am sick of them here in Romania. All TDIs, all black or many shades of grey, all with loud blow-off valves, all smoking black exhaust fumes... horrid.

[@JohnSites48]

Heavier trailer=less cargo less cargo=more trips/trucks more trips/trucks for same goods=pointless. it's a scam. current evs are the compact florescent lightbulb of green tech